Saint-Sulpice organ, Daniel Roth plays Ad Nos, Liszt (audition 22 September 2013)
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- Since a recording of Ad nos is still available (Motette, 1993), I found it interesting to post extracts of a video in which one could also hear what happens at the console.
“On 29 October 1852, Franz Liszt’s great Fantasy & Fugue on the chorale ‘Ad nos, ad salutarem undam’ was premiered. In this work, about thirty minutes long, the registrations move from large ensembles to the intimate colours of solo stops, flutes, Hautbois, etc. Obviously, such manoeuvres turn out to be rather complex, or almost impossible, on an instrument with a hundred stops. Cavaillé-Coll therefore invented a new, more flexible stop-preparation system for the Saint-Sulpice organ: the two-way stop action system (tirage de jeux à double effet - a mechanical system using a Barker machine).
This system allows a means of preparing foundation stops in advance, in addition to the jeux de combinaison. The stops of a first registration are activated when the drawknobs corresponding to the various divisions (Pedal, Récit, Positif, Solo and Grand-Orgue/Grand-Choeur) have been pulled out. Pushing them back in sets the registration, allowing a second one to be prepared by assistants even as the organist continues to play. Pulling the drawknobs out again then activates the second registration, and pushing them back in then allows a third to be prepared, and so on. This system allows the organist to pass from the tutti to (for example) a selection of six stops from across all five manuals and the pedal, all within the blink of an eye - instantly, smoothly and without interruption”.
Extract from Daniel Roth & Pierre-François Dub-Attenti, “The Neoclassical Organ and the Great Aristide Cavaillé-Coll Organ of Saint-Sulpice, Paris”, Rhinegold Publishing Ltd, 2014 (expanded English translation of the article published in L'Orgue n°295-296/2011). - เพลง
RIP Christoph. It brought a lump to my throat to see him at work at M. Roth's right hand, knowing he would be dead in two years, without seeing his 40th birthday.
That young man on the right? What happened to him?
indeed...my you Rest In Peace Christoph Zerbini..today I miss him still on the right hand of mr. Roth...
it is amazing how they work together . . . . paper notes ... Daniel singing and talking to his assistants . . . amazing .... so patient but in control . . . . a true teacher and master of the instrument
This is such an old instrument. Requires both aisstants to pull the stops that would nowadays be pre-programmed, and instrumented, with just a "click" NO one, will contest, the amazing sound produced by these three essential players, though
Wonderful playing by Roth, and I think a word or two of praise for the two co-pilots is in order. Magnificent work by all three.
I love how at the end he just casually has a short conversation with the guy on the right (his left) while playing the coda at the very end
If you can't appreciate the scale of Liszt's achievement in this work, and also in Busoni's piano transcription of it, I simply feel sorry for you.
This is extraordinary. Thanks for the posting. In 1866 Lefébure-Wély demonstrated the organ for Liszt; afterward he offered the bench to Liszt, who replied humbly that “he only permitted himself to play village organs.” John Near
His tempo is so pleasing. He gets so much out of it.
thank you for this comment. so truue !
I was there for this! I had just come from the organ loft of Notre Dame and I barely made it to Mass at the middle and recorded this with my audio recorder at the end!
Wonderful performance by Daniel Roth. I greatly admire the way he is assisted so brilliantly to create such an exciting changing landscape of sound. As a surgeon and scientist I greatly admire and appreciate the work of the two great assistants working with a master to realize for our inspiration such a great interpretation on a historical great organ; creativity seems so organic, human and excitingly vulnerable.
The French organist and composer Camille Saint- Sean has said that this work by Liszt is the greatest work ever composed for the organ!
That's a bit of a stretch! Nothing else compares with Bach's great Passacaglia.
Saint-Saens obviously did not know the Reubke Sonata.
Du grand Liszt, qui nous élève vers tellement haut ! Magnifique interprétation
Daniel...you are among the best in the world. Period. Thank you for sharing your great talent(s). I so much enjoy listening to a real master.
love love love it! Daniel Roth is amazing! Gotta love how he dosent even have to look at the manual near the end while talking to the assistant lol.
Masterful artistry - wondrous metaphysical piece performed on a legendary instrument by a profound organist.
Another excellent performance by Daniel Roth. Probably many people do not realize or fully appreciate the athleticism required by the organist to play a lengthy 30 minute composition like "Ad Nos". For the organist Liszt's "Ad Nos" music is an intellectual marathon. The piece utilizes nearly every performance technique the organ can provide. Watching the athleticism of Monsieur Roth and his two console assistants for almost thirty minutes can become fatiguing (in a good way). He makes performance technique look easy but this reflects decades of dedicated practice and study. Only a handful of contemporary organists have achieved this level of virtuosity and mastery of the organ literature, along with mastering the mechanical complexity of the historic Cavaille-Coll instrument at st. Sulpice. Extraordinary IMHO.
Yes indeed. He does make performance. There is no one else that can do what he does, and he makes it look so easy. He truly is a master.
Well said. This work is terribly difficult in every way. They do an amazing job of pulling it off!
please dont compare playing ad nos to running a marathon. I do really love to play this piece, but my friend a Marathon, really???XDXD.
@@Ianthe22 it is much easier to run a Marathon. Everyone who trains 3 years a lot will manage it. I personally will not try to play this piece. I played B-A-C-H from Liszt, but this one is much more difficult in my opinion.
@@spiritussanctusband You are just talking about the probability of being able to play the piece, not really anything else of the piece. Besides that your comparison relies on two completely different things. The reason why the probability of being able to accomplish the marathon compared to a music piece(any instrument or piece really) doesn't heavily weight on the endurance. It is the technique and understanding of the piece that makes it difficult to play. SO you somehow got it completely twisted around in your argument. You burn alot more and do alot more physically in a marathon than playing the piece. It's really not relevant to the actual case. Bottom line, running a marathon and playing ad nos are two very different things.
J'ai découvert votre canal il y a 2 jours, et ne peux plus m'en détacher !! Bravo à son réalisateur ! J'ai grandi de 1968 à 1976, dans une chorale d'enfants, le dos aux boiseries de l'orgue (probablement de type symphonique), au jubé de l'église du Gésu à Montréal, et les vibrations ressenties à 8 ans, du fond du ventre juqu'au bout des cheveux, ne peuvent s'effacer ! vous les ravivez. En dehors du timbre si chatoyant de votre instrument, dont on dirait qu'il a traversé (3 !) siècles sans en porter la moindre empreinte, je suis aussi très heureusement frappé par le naturel, la simplicité, et la passion musicale avec lesquels toute votre équipe est solidaire pour encore faire chanter l'instrument (en répertoire et en impro) ; il n'y a nulle part de pédanterie visible et je me demande si ce n'est pas aujourd'hui, aussi chez les musiciens, devenu plus rare... Continuez, si vous le pouvez, ce travail de réveler un peu les entrailles de cet instrument, et qu'il réunit une équipe d'exécutants ; tout ce quil a produit, ne peut s'évanouir en fumée, j'en suis sur ! Encore un énorme bravo !
An amazing master on a phenomenal instrument. BRAVO!
Thanks for sharing, this is extremely cool. Great organ and great console!
Yes, a musical "marathon" such as this requires much more than the endurance of the physical marathon. To"win" the challenge of the piece one must master several tracks at one time, both for hands and feet!! And this man has definitely done so, many, many times.
Bravo!! Thank you for posting. Brilliant playing and registering. Wonderful!
Bravi! That assistant to Roth's left has to be the coolest customer I've ever seen at an organ console: dealing with registration changes while managing the score on this piece? Insane pressure. Great video!
That is Mr. Dub-Attenti who posted this and other videos of St Sulpice, and co-wrote the head note of this one.
@@andresgunther See the notes for details of the monograph these two wrote on C-C organs, but this one in particular. I sent away for it earlier this year, ordered online. It is wrrll worth having.
And while engineering the audio/video for this channel!
So beautiful!
Marvellous, amazing...
This is a powerful enchanting composition.
Maître Roth, c’est que superbe! To listen to you playing Ad Nos is divine. A thousand mercis! Words cannot express how sublime this music is, being played by such a wonderful musician!
Vedere questi maestri all'opera ... mi emoziona :-)
Toujours extraordinaire, les video's à Saint-Sulpice!
What a theatrical piece! I cant think of a better instrument
qué maravilla diría yo ! basta escuchar los fraseos que bien llegan a mi corazón ! gracias Pierre-Francois !
Excellent!!!
Magnifique!!
I’ve learned much about Daniel Roth’s mastery of the organ watching these videos. At first, it was a different experience from watching American organists on modern instruments, but I began to see M. Roth like a surgeon with his assistants, both of whom have impressive skills in their own right.
I was sorry to learn of M. Zerbini’s death.
The video clearly illustrates the team effort required for an organ performance on a historic instrument before the development of electricity. Wonder how many people were needed to pump the bellows of the Cavaille-Coll organ at St. Sulpice before the arrival of electricity? It’s great to hear this organ with its grand sound voiced as it was in the 19th century, imho.
@@stevenschrier4207 Not sure what you are referring to - they are not pumping air they are changing the sound with the organ stops
@@sonicjettnz originally in the day pipe organs had huge bellows which needed to be pumped in order to work. I imagine he is referring to this and speculating that an organ this size must have required many pumpers
Oh, to have heard this live in S-S. Brilliant!!
GRANDISSIMO DANIEL ROTH!
And then there is DANIEL, Excellent what can I say that hasn't been said already SUPERB ❤❤
Great stuff! Roth obviously inspirational to young organists.
I have the Mottette CD and it is wonderful as is this live version !!! We all owe Daniel Roth a HUGE debt of gratitude for a. Saving the wonderful 1898 organ of Sacre Coeur ( Biarritz Baron's Res) and his oversight of St. Sulpice restoration by the great CC restorer Jean Renaud of Nantes !!! Thanks to Maestro Roth we have an idea of at least several large Paris organs that tonally were not changed much since CC's time !!!! Everyone should listen to Pierre Cochereau's 1950's Widor 5 Recording at ND de Paris. What a revelation on the sound of this still magnificent instrument before the changes in 1964 and on !!!!! There is an incomparable majesty in the sound and shows what a great musician Pierre Cochereau really was !!!!!!!
+Hugh Creighton I remember hearing Daniel at S Sulpice in 1994, pre-restoration, and in the quiet passages there was more mechanical noise than music. Now, all that's gone, and we have, pretty well, what Cavaillé-Coll envisaged, once again. Magnificent.
absolutely stunning playing...
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Greatest performance of this giant work since Mme Durufle used to sail through it in a totally different manner but just as astonishingly done. This is just a bit grander in execution!
Grandios! Das ist Liszt! Das ist Roth! Ein ganz wichtiges Dokument trotz der Schwäche der Klanglichkeit. Roth bei der Arbeit zu sehen, ist eine Freude! Und sein Mitsingen ebenso!
This is an organ-masterwork for 3 hard-working men....great organ-sound....
Hulde!
Hulde aan de grote Franz Liszt, Daniel Roth en zijn uitstekende assistenten, aan het machtige en prachtige orgel van Aristide Cavaillé Coll.
One of the most glorious moments of the classical musical available here on TH-cam thank you
Qué maestro artista!
EXCELLENT. Good video and stereo sound. Well done.
I have two interuptions on the 9th. and 19th minut ??? Bien dommage car c' est merveilleux. Congratulations.
Jean-François
Thks for your comment / since a CD recording of this piece by Daniel Roth does exist, sound engineer does not wish other full versions for free (hope you understand)) PF
Teamwork!!! :-D
RIP Christophe Zerbini, que ton repos soit doux auprès du Seigneur!
Quelle organisation !! On dirait qi'ils conduisent un vaisseau saptial, tellement que ça a l'air complexe d' actionner toutes ces tirettes !! En tout cas bravo ! et on dirait que la relève est assuré...
cette pièce me fait tjs frissonner.... bravo aux trois ! Aristide, Frantz... ss oublier notre cher Daniel !
Fantastic, and the ending was played in a great non rushed tempo compared to some organists.
An amazing performance. RIP Christophe Zerbini.
What happened to him?
Thank God for pistons!
Une des meilleures interprétations avec celle de Cochereau à la fin des années 60, début 70
quelle master-piece de l'immense Franz Liszt ! servie ici par un orgue mythique, ce grand Cavaillé-Coll de St Sulpice. Et aux commandes : non seulement ce grand mêitre qu'est Daniel Roth, mais il faut voir le travail des servants -préparateurs de registration, le rythme des changements imposés par le compositeur et l'interprète. Ici pas de boutons 1 à 100 de programmation, toute la charge repose sur les préparateurs...Merci à Vous, P -F D-A et votre collègue, sans qui Daniel Roth serait bien en peine ...de pouvoir libérer tout son talent , dans cette oeuvre énorme de F Liszt. Merci à vous , tous !
ROTH Y LOS 2 ASISTENTES ..FENOMENALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!REGISTRADORES....ROTH ORGANISTA DE PRIMERA.,
Daniel Roth showing off as usual, a great comedian !
Is it possible to get a copy of the whole performance? I was actually sitting in the nave for this...which was his Postude after Mass
This video answers a question I've always had: What does the full organ at SS sound like? If the stops pulled in the final seconds of it are a true indication (And they must be--the only thing we don't have recorded on the video is the positions of all the ventils and couplers) then this is indeed what the entire St. Sulpice organ sounds like. There were perhaps two stop knobs not drawn at the end. They probably were for little "aeoline" stops that would have just muddied up the sound. WaHOO!!! and Bravo!
I just went back. The third manual was only coupled to the pedals. All others were coupled together, and to pedal.
sorry, got that backwards, it appears. hard to tell, because the barkers weren't pulling the third manual keys all the way down. Third to first, but not to pedal if I'm seeing correctly at the end. What an impressive set of lungs that old lady possesses! no sag at all, on those huge chords!
Would it be possible to send me the entire performance? I was down in the nave that Sunday on September 22, 2013 and would like to have it as a momento of the visit. Thank you! Its so awesome to know I was there!
Jesus christ the pedal from 25:48 sounds absolutely beastly, It's not as resonant and meaty as the Bombarde in the St Ouen organ, But it lends it's own charm that i've never heard from this organ before
Très belle complicité entre vous et Mr Zerbini à @9:04. Pensées pour vous tous.
Organ marathon!!!! If love to be able to play thid
I LOVE playing this piece... BUT... I'd HATE to be the two fellows helping with registration... , page turns... etc etc... HATS OFF to both of them... and Daniel... OF COURSE!
thank you, but u know, it's a please to be on the bench, embarked in such energy !
Pierre-François Dub-Attenti . I would not turn a page or pull push a stop for a performer who shouts or speaks loud to his assistants, nevermind singing along the theme out of unison. Sometimes the teacher needs to be told by the pupil - fame does not last for ever and you have to be graceful enough to accept your swan song when it arrives.
@@buyadonkey1 Pray that I never find out who you are and meet you. One of us will be dead and the other in prison for life.
@@buyadonkey1 Wow Dude, you are obviously absolutely clueless about what's going on in this incredible performance or what is required of the organist, the work itself and the two registrants to make it all happen. Do yourself a favor and delete your ridiculous post so that you're not a permanent embarrassment to yourself and amongst us in the organist community!
@@buyadonkey1 lady please! Gentleman are in are working
Worrying about being late for dinner as he plays the final full organ chords: very funny lol.
At 26:15 both assistants go “and...resolve” but Roth isn’t ready yet
Wow, what a complex and beautiful piece and it sure keeps Mr Roth's registrants busy on that archaic console. I wonder if there any plans to purchase a new console.
Well, it still works, and is one of the few intact Cavaille-Coll consoles that remained unchanged from its construction. No need to replace, no need to buy a new one, having it as it is is a privilege and an incredible piece of art with inestimable historical and artistic value! It's the same consolle where Widor, Liszt (he visited the organ when Lefebure-Wely played there, and from what I remember, he was astonished by it), Dupre and many other musicians played and continued the great French organ tradition!
It's not bad to renovate and making better organs (like im the case of Notre Dame de Paris and Saint Eustache) but in this case it's better to preserve it as it is and as Cavaille-Coll made it.
@@nicolajpiemonte8907 Well, we have an expression here in America" If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Guess that applies here. Thank you
It hides beneath the rose.
Un sommet organistique du 19iem ... ...
So at the climax of the piece he asks the registrant what the time is?!??!!?
Technically this was the sortie after a Sunday morning mass.
Start 00:34
Roth is like living Chad.
Which pedal part is harder: Ad Nos or the Reubke Sonata?
The Liszt, by far. I have played both. On a tracker.
СпасиБо!!
I wonder when exactly the organist played the piece (after what part of the religious function?).
Does anybody know the answer?
P.S. thanks to the uploader for posting this video.
The audition takes place right after the mass, this is a 30 minute long musical moment that extends the spirit of the liturgy
@@PierreFrancoisDUBATTENTI Thank you so much for your answer.
I was thinking to propose this piece, or at least a part of that, for the post-Mass in my local church.
It's great that I have this idea "confirmed" by professionals.
Too bad there was a "black hole" at minute 9:15 in the recording; or at least on my computer.
+Urban VIII I, too, was sad that that transition into the Adagio was lost. Several minutes of music, by my counting. I was actually very curious as to Roth's total time to perform the work.
And there's another 'black hole' at 19:18... so jarring! What a shame!
Admittedly I'm a bit confused for the need for 2 assistants here. Are they simply there to turn pages and pull manuals?
That organ has a combination action. Why does he need console assistants?
PointyTailofSatan He woudn't need them if it was a piece with not many changes to the registratios wich is not the case with ad nos.This oran has a 2 way stop action so you play one set while you prepare the othere.It's all mechanical so its not same memory like electric organs have.Plus there are couplers and venties that are basicy a short cut to removing cirtin stops or adding them they are fixed they cant be programmed.Couplers are for adding manuals to each other including the pedal.There is also the swell pedal on the very right which controls the blinds on the recit by which it manipulates the sound comming from the enclosed recit divission.It would be pretty much impossible to play this piece and control all the ventiles coupers when there is music beeing played in te pedal and a big cresendo or decresendo or change to reggistrations when paying manuals you would have to make a pause and pull out the white stop and one next to it and push them back in.There are videos on youtube that show Mr Roth plays on his own.
Because, even with the Barker system, with all the manuals coupled together and multiple stops pulled, the action would be heavy. He has to hit the keys with some force to get them down. This organ has mechanical action. You are knowledgeable about the organ, I have posted comments on other videos where you have opined. You are usually spot on with great insight.
I'd love to hear Monsieur Roth perform the Finale from Sonata #1 in D Minor (or even the entire sonata!), Opus 42, by Guilmant on this instrument! I'll bet it would sound INCREDIBLE!! (Dare I suggest BWV 565 and KV 608 as well?)
Fantastic played by Roth and fantastic work by the other men! But WHY WASNT THE WHOLE PIECE RECORDED???? Two extremely irritating cuts in the filming!!!!
LOL... cause a marvelous CD recording is still available on the market
@@PierreFrancoisDUBATTENTI we are all wondering what happened to poor Christophe?
@@dixienormouse1441must be a sore subject
26:02 Did that young registration assistant leave a paper airplane on floor?
it's the 2nd camera..
PierFrancois DUB-ATTENTI
I love how organist hit the keys harder and softer like it matters lol. Still an excellent performance regardless!
It does matter on a mechanical,action organ. The more stops you add the harder it is to depress the keys.
@@brucetominello7440 Exactly right. Even with the Barker system, the action would be heavy with all the manuals coupled.
Ouch, i just immagined the registration-Paper falling down in daniel roth pedals.
That would be a disaster.
I got a bit sweaty hands seeing that.
Great job both master roth and the registrants, Well done.
Beseitigung der Arbeitslosigkeit nach französischer Art
Would Latry need so much assistance?!!
If he played the St Sulpice organ he would. Its in its original fully mechanical state just as Aristide Cavaille Col built it. The Notre Dame organ has been reworked with a fully computerised console.
@@epincion Master Latry has indeed played at St Sulpice; you can see the video on TH-cam.
@@peteacher52 And he had assistants in that performance, one of them being Daniel Roth. The Cavaille-Coll at Notre Dame, though its many restorations has electro-pneumatic action. That is why Latry does not need assistants normally. BTW, I have seen Roth play multiple times at St. Sulpice without any assistants, and he does it brilliantly. He is also a master improvisationalist, too. So is Latry. In fact, so are most French titulaires.
What a nightmare. Time to install some combination pistons.
Amateur Brain Surgery Society The wonder of the S. Sulpice console is that it is absolutely as Cavaillé-Coll left it (apart from a manual swap in the early 20th century). The very thought of combinations here makes me want to be sick. There are thousands of 'improved and modernised' instruments on the planet; however, there are precious few Cavaillé-Colls in pretty much original condition: this one (S Sulpice), S Ouen, Rouen, and S Sernin, Toulouse. If any of these were 'improved', the organ world would experience a tragic loss.
marsvltor2 But the St-Sulpice organ would be much easier to play, and the sound would be unchanged. How could that possibly be bad?
Amateur Brain Surgery Society Combinations would mean electrifying the console, which would alter the 'attack' of each pipe - just listen to the almost percussive attack, which is due to the Barker lever action. The change, I'm afraid, would make a great difference to the sound, and therefore the works of Widor, the young Vierne, Dupré, Grunenwald, etc would no longer be heard as the composers wished.
marsvltor2 It's quite possible to have combinations on a mechanical-key-action organ. I know because I've played many such instruments.
Why alter the originality of the organ of Widor and Dupré? We've all seen the shenanigans at Notre-Dame since the original C-C console was removed… the place is now on its fourth console since its C-C rebuild. Do you really want to see that here?