4 Reasons Incels Love Terrorism
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"So now he is a nazi" is the saddest "where are they now" movie credits montage there is and it is also utterly predictable. Everytime Rebecca posts a new video, I realize she has a lot more courage than I ever will since each post will cause a slew of new random hate. That's why I chip in a couple of bucks to her patreon.
"...Nazis kill children, women, old men. To let a Nazi remain alive in your land is to abet the murder of your own people. Only the dead Nazi can be trusted to leave the innocent unharmed. Every Hitlerite killed is a step forward on the road to the liberation of mankind."
― Lyudmila 'Lady Death' Pavlichenko of the Ukraine, Speech to Americans (1942)
@@Dan-ud8hz It is hard to endorse murder (even nazis), but I take your meaning to heart.
It's so cool you mention her courage, bc I see that as well, and draw mental strength from her. I lament not being able to actually contribute anything towards Rebecca's patreon yet. But I will. In my humble opinion she is worth more than a full year's tuition at harvard. With Rebecca, you get your monies worth.
@@redfruit1993z well going through his channel there was plenty of antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic, pro-rape, anti-women videos. We might argue whether or not he's a card carrying nazi but that's splitting hairs. For most people that collection of far right unhinged rambling is enough to be considered a nazi.
I had high hopes. Thought he would be a volunteer at an animal shelter
Re: Internalised misogyny and slut shaming: One of the things that always got to me when I worked as a massage therapist was how common the link was between massage and sex work, to the point that: 1. Random dudes would hit on me when they found out my job, making creepy insinuations; 2. Random dudes would make "jokes" about happy endings; 3. Random dudes would come into the clinic where I worked to ask about "extras".
It would be easy to dismiss this as "men are gross and deliberately misunderstand the difference between sex work and health care", but I heard these kind of "jokes" from other RMTs, too. Our fucking instructors in school made sure to throw sex workers under the bus when outlining what does and does not fall under our scope of practice under laws governing healthcare practitioners, making sure to say "we're not like them/you don't want to be mistaken for them". The message is clear: I as a registered practitioner shouldn't have to deal with people maligning my career, but those whores deserve it.
(I always loved clients who would listen when I explained that sex work is an entirely separate career I'm not trained for, or how it would be great if sex workers were allowed to just put up a schedule of fees declaring the price for services rather than being forced to code it so that people could seek out the services they actually want, or even took treatment seriously enough that we could joke about the pain I provide, because they weren't going to be misogynistic assholes about it.)
Less so towards the end of my practice, but at the beginning, whenever I'd express frustration with the situation, at least one person would ask about what I/other RMTs wear, or the clinic setting, or what we were saying that could make people think that. Again, the message is clear, if twofold: 1. You must have done something to make men treat you that way; 2. You chose this career which is societally linked to sex work. Either way, you deserve it, you whore.
Crazy idea: What if we just let women exist without hating them for it? What then?
lol! americans think anyone who works as a massager (not sure what that word should be lol) .. they all count as sex workers? you REALLY gotta decriminalise that stuff its crazy .. it does NOT help if they are generally seen as criminals to start with its gonna increase the probability of violence Im sure
@@markhill3858 I think it's "masseur" and "masseuse", like in french? A massager would be the weird-shaped objects used for massaging that look like weird hand-shaped avant-garde artsy bowls.
Thank you for sharing this. Sounds like a really shitty part of the job.
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@@neoqwerty maybe :) that sounds more noun than verb tho I guess .. eh my english aint great Im aussie lol
I was at the Oklahoma City bombing Memorial years ago. They had an exhibit on domestic terrorism with a list of acts of domestic terrorism in the US. What struck me was that there were no bombings of abortion clinics on the list.
Might be because abortion clinics are very much aware of possible attacks, thus are better prepared to intervene before an attack happens.
@@Tijggie82 bombings on abortion clinics have definitely occurred. My point was any of the bombings that have happened were not included because they're not considered terrorist attacks when they definitely are.
@@Tijggie82 or they were omitted on purpose
@@sidDkid87 yes was thinking the same. Seems unlikely it NEVER occured.
@@robinmichel9048 Agreed.
When the term "incel" first came out, I thought, "Great. Now I finally have a group that I can call myself a part of." I don't have sex, largely because I am not being given the opportunity; the very definition of "incel."
But then the incel movement began to take on a sense of entitlement. Their message became, "I don't have sex, because YOU are not giving me the opportunity, therefore it is your fault that my life is a mess. Therefore I hate you."
I am not a part of this movement.
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You're not alone, there are dozens of us, dozens!
@@grimwatcher AT LEAST a dozen!
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As a basic category, it's really one of those things that seems like it could be _technically_ accurate, but is ultimately just a really shitty thing to _identify_ with - like, I'm sure most people not in a sexual relationship would rather be in a healthy sexual relationship than not, and it's a relatable place to be in, but it's ultimately so generic to be meaningless. I kind of file it under a similar category as the "all lives matter" stuff - like, yes that's _technically_ accurate in the most literal sense, but it's a phrase literally nobody would use without being prompted by bad actors using it to mask an ulterior motive.
I am inployed - involuntarily unemployed. I can't understand what's going on. Any time I get a job, I proceed to take a giant shit on the floor, tell my boss that I hate him, and carry a can of gas and matches around with me while talking about how cool it would be to see different elements of the building burn down. I just can't make sense of why I can't keep a job. I am a really good worker.
Don't forget to blame your bosses for not having a job, or better still already start insulting them during your job interview.
Do you genuinely believe that all relationships/marriages end due to the bf/husband taking dumps in public and walking around carrying a jerry can while smoking?
@@johnwilliams655 Wow... you *really* missed the point. lol
You walk to your office
And you smash the front door.
You take our pants off,
And you shit the floor!
You shit the floor
And you shit the floor,
Then you hop up and down
So you can shit some more!
What is the point then?
A lot of incels aren't even that bad looking. They can't see how off putting their views and personalities are. They drag each other down and hinder each other.
Yes. Incel subculture is extremely toxic and cultlike. They need to get therapy and get out of that culture.
Totally agree ...it's a bad trap for nice guys....x
Contrapoints video on it was great. She called it "antitherapy" and gave a nuanced view of these people being victimozed by the ideology and then turning around and victimizing others.
It's an inherent problem with social media. It's part of the reason why none of us seem to get along anymore.
Its not social media, its not taking hints and steps towards less toxic influence.
Thats literally whyvaushs channel is important, hate his style but it is helping people getting out of that hole. And any debate bro really on the left.
But its effort too and relecting on yoursel enough to move slowly out.
I'm sorry you've been treated so terribly for speaking up for how our society treats women so terribly... that sentence hurts my head.
Its the irony! The irony of all of that just hurts, periodt! I wish I could just shake it out of my head like an Etch a Sketch!
Women are treated the best in this society what do you mean? Loved unconditionally just for existing while a regular virgin guy is called an incel and bashed by these same women.
@@joelxl635 Dude, you're gonna meet somebody that makes you feel complete, and you'll feel a lot less fucking bitter, one day. In the mean time, you should try to show people your genuine self and share your hobbies and interests with as many people as possible. That's how you get somebody to be interested in you enough to slob on your everlasting gobstopper.
@@submerse9993 I actually am not that interested in someone slobbing on my gobstopper or whatever I'm looking for real love which nobody has anymore apparently. And yes I have hobbies and things I do, but it won't make these girls give an average guy a chance.
Slobbing on a Gobstopper is a common metaphor for love
Recently in the UK RSE (relationships and sex education) was introduced and became compulsory - starting at a young, age appropriate way - teaching in school things like bullying, inclusion, abuse, coercive control, grooming, consent, boundaries, enforcing boundaries, bodily autonomy, harassment, healthy relationships, same sex attraction. Other topics like trans identities, differentiating between good and bad feedback, goals and not hitting goals, anger management, self-esteem and how it can be linked to what others think and issues with that, and internet safety etc are taught in PHSE (personal, social, health and economic) ed, of which RSE is a part. Hopefully it will benefit future generations; the Humanist Society in the UK was happy to see this change.
Political Correctness indoctrination at an early age! Great way to make a bunch of Beta Males! I feel so sorry for the UK. 🤣
That's really cool. I feel like a lot of parents already teach or try to teach their kids this, and all kids deserve access to this education even if their parents aren't able to provide it.
i wish this kind of education is implemented in my country.
@@Zazz_Blammymatazz Incel says what?
@@Zazz_Blammymatazz Watch them enter happy and fulfilling relationships in the future and maybe reconsider your own stance.
I'm so tired of these inadequately socialised boys trying to measure up to a standard of manhood that's only and always a small child's idea of manliness.
It's a systemic problem though. It's where patriarchy comes back to bite us men in the ass.
And fall into literal cults because they dont try getting positive influence or self reflections. Fair enough, a lot do but i think most more or less?! But too many dont.
@@MusicMissionary Not the only way by far if you ask me. But yeah, I get what you're saying. I suspect it's a class/education/general culture thing as well. I think that the US has it worse than many other countries. The glorification of explosive violence at the hands of the emotionally stunted manly man that gets shit done is running so deep it's not even funny.
@@thehorriblebright See also: the love for the US military and for the second amendment ... and for the death sentence. Violence! All hail violence!
@@KaiHenningsen Totally agree.
I used to be an incel and MRA in my teens and 20s, I was angry, bitter, and extremely paranoid about and at women. After I hit my 30s and with the help of therapy, I stepped away from the manosphere and just stopped caring about relationships, dating and finding a partner. Honestly I am a lot happier now than I used to be. Stay strong, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It does get better
You struggled 10 years in dating? What methods did you use?
Sorry my guy, but your still involuntary celibate unless you can still get an relationship in your 30s?
@@arlosnow142 over ten years. Actually from my teen years until my early 30s. I tried irl and online ways but nothing came from it
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 you can be single and not be an incel. Incel stuff is all mental and personality.
@Jos I like being single. In all honesty I am pretty sure i was always never interested in dating or wanting a partner but trying to get one because that's what men are "supposed" to do in society.
It actually comes from patriarchy. It doesn't only hurt women. If only they could see it.
That's such a useless catch all term at this point.
It's just a result of a myopic self fulfilling cycle.
They see things as hopeless, so they prefer to find _comfort_ in _recognising_ how hopless everything is. This creates an in group of others that _recognise_ this truth about the world. So they make an echo chamber which revebs the more extreme part of that in group.
So that resentment builds and they lash out at out groups, especially ones they see as the opposite of them. I.e. the people they want to attract but _can't_ and the people who do attract them.
Women and Chad's.
Like most groups like this, there's usually a grain of truth that snowballs into the warped ice berg that consumes their world view.
Life is easier if you're attractive, that's true. But that doesn't have to mean _if you're not a Chad you're doomed to be alone forever, so you might aswell kill people._
Or whatever.
@@Cernunnnos Yeah it's probably pointless to use the word at this point. What I was getting at is the way they've internalized our culture's traditional gender roles. These guys typically don't fit what they're told makes a man.
They're missing an important fact about manhood: There are many different ways to be a man.
I do think that if you're a man you should feel like one. You could be an artist, a musician, a "nerd" or what have you and be a man. What they're missing is the importance of being a GOOD man. With integrity and empathy. Those exist. My dad was one. I try to be one.
If they could learn to be the best example of THEIR kind of man, they would feel like a man. They would have confidence and girls would like them.
@@MusicMissionary mostly agree. Our culture has kind of romanticised the warrior archetype to the point of it being seen as thee male archetype.
The magician and the lover tend to be viewed with a little derision from the culture's perspective, unless they share traits with the warrior. I.e. a magician that works with his hands. Think carpenter or engineer. Or a lover who's mainly focused on sex as a form of conquest. And the king has kind of been subsumed into the warrior. I suppose.
But, spiraling down an esoteric path of what masculinity means doesn't really mean much to the kind of people that make up your average Incel forum.
They usually have no confidence because it's been beaten out of them.
This kind of self hatred that manifests externally is usually born of external pressure.
It's not about them buying into the cultural norms, it's that the cultural norms have been thrust upon them. And they realise they can't live up to the idealised standard, so they lash out.
Most people aren't lucky enough to be equipped with the tools to properly self reflect.
This is the root cause of much of our societal woes. It's probably something that needs to be taught. But most of the people driving the culture can't self reflect either. So it's not something we're going to see change any time soon.
This is also not solely a male problem. It's just that males are more likely to lash out physically.
@@Cernunnnos i have no idea where you guys get this "masculinity norms is the problem" from, i'd wager most of these people just have something they hate about themselves or their life and convince themself the reason they're miserable is some easier to swallow thing like "everyone else is the problem" rather than whatever the truth is. It's a common thing and even i've done it back when i was young. the only thing new about incels is how they've coalesced into this vocal group.
@@terryterry5653 I mean, read what I said again, because you kinda just repeated it and then focused on something that I said isn't really worth focusing on all that much.
Rather than the idea of "just get them laid" to fix the problem, maybe we should stop measuring a man's worth by if he has sex or not. Growing up male, so many times people would use virginity as an insult. Stop pressuring boys that having sex is what makes them worthwhile and that should help a lot. It won't completely fix the problem, but it's something simple that everyone can do to help. To this day, I'm still called a virgin as an insult. Don't do that.
Sex is honestly overrated anyway. People's worth certainly shouldn't be down to how many or little people they've slept with
I maintained that a person's worth should be measured by how often they eat garlic bread. Garlic bread is better than sex and it's something that everybody is incomplete control of. You don't need a partner to eat garlic bread.
@@andrewfsheffield I was going to post some asexual memes here, but you beat me to it. Also, if you can't have garlic bread, there's always cake.
I personally find men who have a lot of sex with varying women disgusting.
Sorry.
I'd rather date a male virgin (given I like him in general, of course).
Very true, it should be understood that somebody's sex and dating life (or lack thereof) doesn't change their value. People should be allowed to just be chill and seek out the relationships that they value at their own pace, without pressure.
Thank you for posting this. Small correction: the original founder of the support group for incels that was hijacked was not a lonely lesbian. She identified as bisexual and intended it to be a support group for what she called “late bloomers” aka me, lol.
I would be thrilled if you did a deeper dive into her story and the good intentions behind the original group, how it was taken over, and the trend of violent fascists taking over online queer spaces. It’s a recurring pattern and would be fascinating to learn more about
Tbh this could be done so well with the current pronoun and lesbian discourse on tiktok
@@mattrose99 Are you referring to the vilification of he/him lesbians, the rejection of trans men, or the non-men loving only non-men mspec phobia? It's so sad that there are so many we have to clarify.
All of them repeat right wing and radfem rhetoric to police labels and all of them engage in the targeted harassment of trans people. It's gotten so bad that I can't like a post without checking out accounts first to see if they have any transmisogynistic red flags. Stay safe out there...
One of the greatest tricks the patriarchy has played is to convince men that anger isn't an emotion.
@@markprice5651 Feminists didn't convince of the existence of the Patriarchy, history did. It's been my experience that people say things like this for two reasons, they think that they benefit from the Patriarchy or they just enjoy the status quo. The former is wrong and the latter is morally indefensible. But since you make the claim that the Patriarchy is a myth, the onus is on you. Have fun.
@@markprice5651the bible and the quran and confucius and the ramayana have all been flat out saying men should rule women for thousands of years now, what do u mean it doesnt exist.
get ur head out ur anus
I just wish more men were like Fred Rogers. As a cishetwhiteman, I see him as one of the better examples of masculinity in our foundation.
Forget just masculinity, he was a better example of humanity. RIP, Fred. The world is worse for your absence.
Me too! He's a hero of mine.
I know not white, but jason mamoa, e is definitly very manly, but also emotional very sensitive, and a dork. Like riddick kinda. Honestly a lot of people playing that are really sensitive, batisda, and drax, thre are plenty good examples if people ar willing to search.
Fred was bi ✨
Mr. Rogers & Bob Ross are the kind of men that should be emulated by younger generations.
Pervasive misogyny isn't caused by religion, but it has a lot to do with it. I think the root of misogyny is tens of thousands of years of cultural attitudes about who owns property (men, who pass it on to their sons) which necessitated some sort of certainty of paternity to ensure your property went to your ACTUAL sons (having a high degree of control over women). One of the main parts of religion is to justify and perpetuate those gender roles. As Rebecca said, part of the reason incels lash out is because they feel emasculated by their lack of participation in what they view as essentially the ownership of women. I guess the conclusion is the same though: there's no simple solution.
Approximately 4,500 years old historically, give or take a few centuries. A cultural and mythological shift ocured that is pretty well documented.
Jesus H Christ. Lets start with the fact that most farmers on the planet are men. Is that toxic masculinity.
Jordan Peterson is the Deepak Chopra of incels.
Undeniable, even mor after his recent breakdown.
Well put.
Doesn't seem like a good comparison. Chopra is a new age-y, uncritical promoter of irrational unscientific beliefs, so he resonates with and is in agreement with similarly minded folks and their unscientific belief systems. Peterson, on the other hand, doesn't agree with the thought patterns/feelings of incels - far from it. He's concerned that they are in distress and in need of rehabilitation to a more normal life outlook, and woul dlike to help them turn their lives around. Also, he's not himself an incel in any way I can see....
@@forbiddenlove5918 If they verystrictly are conservative that i, he does that, and argumently h doe not help them grow, i gues a lot grow out thmselves, not because of him. He bought he is that great messiah, which is not helping anyone.
He is helping as much as any mom or dad saying clan your room, its that deep as self help.
@@forbiddenlove5918 Its not, its giving no pointers, and even if your parents ask youto clean your room, youusualy can ask ho and get answers, he doent.
He only ays be super consrvative progres bad grr anything more let than me i grr.. chaos ,.. evil. in fancier words.
Also obey the authority i say is good brrr. Do not thoink about the world grr stay in your echhochamber grr.
Also he is wrong.
Beside you can learn from the worst media, dosnt make the media better, but thats you using a piece of that terrible media with nothing rally, and put yourelf in valuable stuff fo your life, but thats you.
I have no doubt that some people do that with peterson. But it os not make him a good lifecoach or better, even worse that he buys and does huis best keeping his cult of personality instead helping people grow, or grow thre, he is a terrible role model too.
An as example, he sauid that snakes in ancient cultures mean, they knew dna, literally, his words.)When snake and lizards always existed. )
He is very wrong andd dishonest all of the time.
This is the first generation of men to not have an enormous financial gap. Women can have bank accounts without a husband cosigning. And it'll take some growing pains. They have nothing to offer aside from love and partnership. With women wanting equal partnership, and men not being taught how to do that.... it's gonna get so rough.
Had to teach my husband how to use a washing machine. If he'd refused to learn i'd've found a new partner.
100%
Thank you. I was immediately reminded of this (you now, mutatis mutandis): _"In general the major anti-Jewish measures the Nazis would take from then on in the various domains were not only acts of terror but also symbolic statements...The double significance of the regime's initiatives engendered a kind of split consciousness in a great part of the population: _*_for instance, people might not agree with the brutality of the dismissals of Jewish intellectuals from their positions, but they welcomed the cleansing of the "excessive influence" of Jews from German cultural life._*_ Even some of the most celebrated German exiles, such as Thomas Mann, were not immune, at least for a time, from this kind of dual vision of events."_ -- Saul Friedländer, _Nazi Germany and the Jews: The Years of Persecution, 1933-1939._
Misogyny is so baked into every aspect of our society, it’s invisible. Women are so “naturally” the property of their male relatives or partners that we don’t even notice it. We have successful TV shows named “8 rules for dating my teenage daughter” and this seems totally normal when “8 rules for dating my teenage son” would just seem weird to most people. I’m a cis male and I find that this is totally “normal” in my thinking too. “Just tell that guy you have a boyfriend and he’ll leave you alone” at first seems perfectly OK. I don’t know what the answer is other than trying to be aware of these biases and working to overcome them when we notice them. That’s a long slog for society though. Oof.
From a Scandinavian point of view, the level of misoginy and partiarchal sexism ingrained in US culture is appaling and horrifying...
Eg. In my country, the traditional marriage has the bride and groom walking the isle together while the best man with the rings, the priest and the brides maids await at the altar. Everyone else is standing in the pews.
If either bride or groom is aservice member, there may be a uniformed honour guard outside the church as they enter and leave.
That 8 rules thing is because they value their daughters more than their sons.
They have a criteria for who can date their daughter but don’t care if some girl with red flags gets with their son. Families should have criteria for who can date their son.
@@SonsOfLorgar 100% agree. I'm an American living in Sweden and the differences are IMMENSE.
@@johnwilliams655 imagine being dumb enough to think families value their daughters more than their sons 🤡
@@Fantallana can you give me an example of when families commonly value their daughters lower than their sons or vice versa? i ask cuz i only have my own family to compare with and that doesn't give me much and now im interested
Thanks for your bravery, Rebecca! And thanks for another thought-provoking if terrifying video!
It's saddening that being informed these days often overlap being terrified.
lol! you forgot to say stunning :)
It's pretty flabbergasting that these incels do not think that their attitude about women just being holes might not be attractive to women, and might be the cause of their problems. I am fairly sure that they would not welcome a reciprocal attitude that thought of men as mobile penises to be abused at will. I would put this disconnect down to a lack of critical thinking skills, but there are plenty of well educated types who do similar mental gymnastics (Jordan Peterson comes to mind). I think I am going to blame it on the modern ease of finding a perfect echochamber for your particular delusions. Thanks Mark and 4chan.
Oh, they absolutely wouldn't. And they complain about it all the time, too - because y'know, DARVO.
The reason they don’t think that is is because there is no evidence of that.
Is there evidence that women care about personality? Maybe somewhere on the dark web, but the volume of evidence is lesser than the volume of evidence that Santa clause and Bigfoot are real.
@@johnwilliams655 Ok, incel verified.
Because it's so much easier being the victim. As a victim, you don't have to do anything, you were getting wronged and you are in the right. They don't have to change, it's the evildoers that should change and pay - which is the entirety of society. Being a victim is easy, working on yourself is hard - and lazy dumplings will alway chose the easy way.
And the easy way includes idiots like Johny Willi here, who somehow doesn't know there are a lot of ugly, stupid poor men who have intercourse and relationships and even families.
@@Shuizid Being a victim is easy... when you aren't actually a victim.
This crap never fails to ensadden me. I never appreciated the fact that my dad taught me respect as much as I do now. He was *far* from perfect, but he raised me to respect people. And to treat every woman with the respect I would expect for myself.
I just cannot grok the enormous disrespect I see in some guys.
One of the most depressing things about social media is that it really opened my eyes as to just how much violence against women there is in "civilized" countries, especially here in the U.S. I thought it was just a mass murderer here, serial rapist there. But no, it's godamn prevalent. The first step to improving the situation is awareness, so kudos to you for trying to make that happen. "Sunlight is the best disinfectant", as Louis Brandeis once remarked.
What women have to go through on a daily basis is absolutely horrifying. Our society needs to do better
There are many guys that go through what women go through on a daily basis. David Beckham, Chris Hemsworth, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Hefner etc all experience lifestyles near identical to women.
@@johnwilliams655 and it's weird and gross how entitled people feel to them. But they are outliers.
@@johnwilliams655 what?… 🤦♀️
When you hear women say “I deserve a good man”, do you aggressively confront them and inform that that nobody is entitled to a partner?
@@johnwilliams655 do you come to videos on violence against women to talk about men?
It's weird to me that in the United states we are so obsessed with free speech that we hold it above people's right to safety and security. I don't think specific mention of harm and repeated threatening behavior should be considered free speech.
I agree. Free speech is a white concept that shouldn’t be applied to people that are against it.
People that advocate for statues of heroes to be torn down, for open boarders, “diversity” quotas etc should be arrested. Even if they haven’t yet committed an act of violence, they eventually will because their entire ideology advocates violence against men (of any race) and whites. If they don’t think whites have a right to breath air, then whites aren’t obligated to provide them with free speech.
@@johnwilliams655 I wasn't very explicit in my comment, but I was referring specifically to the story of the stalking incident. In most circumstances, until violence is committed nothing can be done even if someone writes a manifesto detailing how they will kill you and what they will do to your body after. I agree there's a fine line between threats and expression but we often mischaracterize threats as just expression in the preservation of free speech when those threats are preventing the target from living their life. I feel like direct threats to a person in a pattern of repeated dangerous behavior shouldn't be protected speech. Nothing you're talking about falls under that specific case.
Edit: and I'm not only talking about men stalking women. Anyone stalking anyone.
@@enduringbird And we know that in the US there are mechanisms to investigate and even incarcerate people for their expressed beliefs. It is illegal to threaten the head of state. So the fact that people who threaten historically marginalized are ignored is a choice disguised as the price for freedom.
I don't even know if we can truly say it's about freedom of speech. I can get in serious trouble with the law for things I tell you if you end up giving me money over it -- so why is it so different if it's someone's safety and wellbeing at stake?
When I see POC, Muslims, or whatever out in public I am not worried.
When I see a lone white man (or group of white men) wearing tactical gear and/or a MAGA hat, I get the F*** away.
Exactly, I am a CIS white male, people dressed like that set my alarm bells off immediately.
Then you have no sense of scale. Nobody has been killed by the MAGA folk, millions have been killed by the first two groups you listed (though POC is vague)
@@johnwilliams655 "nobody has been killed by the MAGA folk"
Wow. Just. Wow. You really are delusional. Take your head out of trump's ass and look around.
I never liked Trump and have never been a conservative. But love them or hate them, the MAGA crowd friendly docile people. The most hardcore thing they ever did was break a couple widows at the capital building.
@@johnwilliams655 They literally bashed a guy's head in with a fire extinguisher.
Drove into a crowd of people with a car.
Carry guns in front of a hospital to stop emergency patients getting help.
Shoot up schools and people in parks.
Docile Friendly people my ass.
Instead of ramming your car into people, get off 4chan and learn how to talk to women.
Why would talking to women be a completely different ability to talking to men?
There is no skill to talking to women. If you’re attractive you can walk up to women and start making Pingu noises and get their number, if you’re unattractive they’ll dislike you regardless of what you say.
Thats not helping, it works very much like a cult an they will shut up defnces when coming that way, sadly. And its a slow painful process leaving and gettin ov it and . I can just relate it to a bad headspace, like depression that you cant really get out on your own, and if, not theat just. Its just harder that imaginive to leave a cult, which it is honestly.
That said, they could try not going to pick up artists for advice if they do.
@@johnwilliams655 Well, the same goes for unattractive women, too. But they, on the other hand, don't drive cars into people.
If only it were that simple, but that's the equivalent of telling suffers from depression "Have you tried not being sad?", and it's about as effective.
@@DrakeBarrow And yet, as a multi-decade sufferer of depression, I've found that's the only thing that works. "Have you tried taking care of yourself," is really the subtext, and it's TRUE, no matter that the "Black Dog" tells us otherwise.
I just want to say this channel is great and I'm glad I found it.
Just an FYI, Alana, who coined the term, did so as bisexual, not lesbian. I know you mean well, there is just a lot of accidental bi erasure online. (Looking at you, Korra fandom)
Without US media censorship, TLoK could have been so much better and inclusive of both bi and even ethical polyamoury if the script writers had wanted to go that far.
How do we know it wasn't comphet. In LoK I mean.
Holy crap, I'm sorry that you've had to deal with multiple stalkers, and that the authorities don't seem to have done anything about it. As a Jew, I sometimes worry about Nazi violence, but it's always a kind of generalized "what if Nazis?" not a specific "this particular Nazi wants to kill me." That's horrifying.
I suspect that's less to do with Jews or Nazis, and more with you not living next door to one. Unfortunately.
I am sorry that Nazi's exist. I am sorry that you have to worry about them. Some were demonstrating by my hometown a few days ago. It made me sick that nothing could be done.
Maybe leave them alone.
Poachers that get knocked out by gorillas probably wish gorillas didn’t exist but what they don’t realise is that if they just stayed out of the jungles and let the gorillas be, there never would have been a conflict
@@johnwilliams655 that sounds like a threat. Are you threatening me? How am I supposed to stay out of my own community? I live there. There is nothing wrong with Gorillas. There is everything wrong with Nazi’s. Gorillas can’t help who they are, Nazi’s can. It sounds like you think the poor Nazi’s are being hunted. They weren’t in this case, the Nazi’s were protesting and targeting everyone else. The Nazi’s were the hunters. Your analogy is sick and backwards. I hope all of you are hunted down and arrested. Nazi’s have no place in our society.
Because Nazis (white people that want to be left alone) are the defenders and you’re the aggressors that feel entitled to anything Nazis produce in the same way an ivory trader feels entitled to an elephant’s tusks.
The OVERWHELMING amount of violence against women is done by their partners, not incels.
That doesn’t make sense. I’m told that women are psychic and can tell if a guy’s a good or bad person from a 0.1 second glance at a photograph of him. Surely if this were true there would be no such thing as domestic violence
@@johnwilliams655 their personality detectors are like Mcdonalds ice cream machines
@@johnwilliams655Consider doing something about your bitterness towards women. Women supposedly having a stronger capacity for intuition doesn't make them immune to choosing the wrong partners or being subjected to emotional abuse. And yes, the overwhelming amount of violence against women are done by the men who are in closest proximity to them. Incels can't abuse these women (except online) because said women aren't even accessible to them; they probably would if they could though, because most of them hate themselves and the world too much to treat someone else with love and respect.
True and most victims of violent crimes are men. Women are more likely to be victims of crimes that are sexual, domestic violence and kidnapping. Seriously no gender is safe.
I despise incels, but at the same time I empathize with just regular, honest to god lonely men. The type of men like myself who have many women in our family and friends that we love and appreciate. We are just lonely. There is a difference between lonely men and incels. A big difference.
The difference between you, and every other human that is not an incel, is that you recognize that loneliness it a part of the human condition that all of us struggle with. A person that recognizes this is a person that can relate to another and then surprise surprise, ease the pain of separation ever so slightly. An incel cannot relate to another in this way so they can never get relief.
Really an excellent video. Also pretty depressing. One would like to think it’s just an isolated crazy group, but you tied it into a general toxic masculinity that exists in our country.
That's the issue, too general. Then in this case around 80% of men are incels.
The journey from "Most people are basically good at heart" through "F***ing hell! Human's are disgusting and deserve to be wiped out" back to some sort of calm and balanced understanding of who and what we are, has got to be one of the most difficult emotional journeys a person can take
"Are men that commit domestic violence more likely to commit terrorist acts". I speculate but I would argue this one. And they are probably more likely to commit other forms of violent crimes as well. Argument simply being that violent people are not just violent in a specific instance against a specific person but violent in general. Against everyone. Their wives, their children, their associates, everyone. I don´t know this either but I think it likely that most of these people not only attacked women in social media but were quick to argue violence against other people for a lot of reasons (I'm pretty sure it is true for nazis at least). So from this perspective it is like asking if a person with a history of violent is more likely to do more violence in future then one without. Probably right? Or maybe I simply don't want to accept the alternate explanation?
I agree. At its root is the belief that it’s okay to use violence to get what you think you deserve. You can’t get away with acting on your ideas at a job or with male friends who are big enough to fight back, but women are “safe,” culturally sanctioned targets. As are whatever minority groups the authorities have declared open season on.
(Note that racists claim to hate Black people and Latinos because-among other things-they’re associated with drugs and violence. And yet racists never take on gangs or cartels. Why? Because unlike immigrant workers or churchgoers, gangsters and cartels will take. You. Down.)
They have taken on armed ethic gangsters, watch the Kyle Rittenhouse footage.
There’s also the Greensboro incident in 1979 were true blue Americans defended a town from an attack.
@@johnwilliams655 I don’t follow. You claim that the people who defended protesters in Greensboro from Nazis and KKK members also committed domestic violence?
The details of the alleged assault by a premier league footballer in the UK are disturbing and he would not be considered a 'failed' male otherwise. These men could be dangerous whether they are in a relationship or not, as said in the video, if they can find something else to feel entitled/wronged about.
Better they are not in a relationship as intimate partners are at high risk. They should be encouraged to get help and work on their issues, not expect a relationship or sex to sort out their issues.
When I read a title like that, all I can say is I'm sorry you even had to make this a video topic to start with. Just grateful how more informed I get about this stuff afterwards, no matter how grim
I'm sure this comments section will be a fount of courtesy and reasonable thought.😳
In hope and respect xx
Love and good health everyone!
So many of the societal issues are coming from people with little to no empathy.
Stories like this are part of the reason I'm grateful to have realized I'm aroace and nonbinary. Ever since high school I had no interest in dating or relationships, because I saw how badly some of the relationships within my own family turned out. I didn't want to drag someone else into all my problems, and I never planned on settling down and starting a family. Of course, I assumed it was voluntary celibacy, akin to what some religious devotees do, except I was not religious. I could recognize other people for being attractive, but I wasn't attracted to them myself. It wasn't until later that I learned there was a term for this.
I also never quite saw myself as living out masculine roles according to societal norms and expectations, and it always made me deeply uncomfortable whenever I felt compelled to adopt toxic masculine behaviors to compete with other men. Masculinity felt like an ill-fitting suit of rusted armor, put on me by someone else, that would constantly cut and scrape me whenever I moved. Yet I kept wearing it, because it made me look tough, and I was trying to cover up my own vulnerability. I've been a gender abolitionist for quite some time, but it wasn't until very recently that I figured out how it related to my own internal sense of self. For those men who talk about going their own way, I've taken that to its logical extreme and gone completely outside their typography.
What is aroace?
@@I..cast..fireball It's short for aromantic and asexual. Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are two different spectrums. Some people feel little to no romantic attraction to others, and little to no sexual attraction to others.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 thanks
Ah, how misogyny brings the radical misanthropes together.
hey thanks for using that word "misanthrope" i was trying to remember it earlier but it had completely slipped my mind so this is a real relief
"You know what would make this situation better? If any of these people could get a gun whenever they wanted."
American gun laws, apparently.
I have a good friend who is an adult male virgin in his late 20s.
He's technically an Incel? He's involuntarily celibate for sure but it's just because he wants to find someone super special that he really loves to do the do with.
He's had intimacy just not penetration.
And he's a super cool dude? He's just not in a point in his life where he wants /needs a partner? He's going to school and works with young disabled kids.
He's super handsome and funny and kind
I'm married to his best friend lol;
I just wish more men could be like him
I'm not sure your friend technically qualifies as an incel. He seems to be Voluntarily celibate for the time being. He seems to just be working on himself and living his life. I wish him luck.
Same. I have a good friend just like this (except the career). I think it's hard to say what involuntary vs voluntarily celibate is, but this guy really wanted a relationship and hadn't had one yet. But he is really emotionally mature, charming, funny, somewhat shy and has always treated women like people. I'm speaking in the past tense since at age 26 he started a relationship and is glad he waited.
Incels aren't just man being involuntary celibate as the original meaning implies. They have to hate women and purposely blame women for their involuntary celibacy.
@@cyncynshop disagree
The person who coined the term and used it for herself was a lesbian
Blame implies bitterness and a lack of objectivity.
If your parents beat you as a child and you say “My parents gave me anxiety” you are blaming your parents for you anxiety.
If a tsunami destroys your house and you say “My house was destroyed by a tsunami”, that isn’t blame, that’s acknowledging cause and effect.
This is what makes me afraid to stand up for myself sometimes bc I'm worried some guy is gonna shoot me in the fucking head for doing so
About what?
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 for not having sex with him, for not giving him her number, for not smiling for him. All things men attack women for. wake up.
So how come women are generally less interested in firearms and self defence tools than men are?
If women live with the threat of violence, why aren’t gun and knife conventions packed full of women? Why aren’t martial arts schools mostly women? Why do women wear clothes that are completely impractical for self defence? Why do they drink alcohol?
You’re telling me they live in constant danger yet behave like they live in telly tubby land.
@@Fantallana I highly doubt some guy is gonna do harm over a simple rejection unless their that weak.
When I first learned about incels (via a friend back then who might have been one), I took a quick glance at their subreddit (or whatever it was) and nobody was discussing how to improve their own lives or how to improve their dating skills. My only thought, at that time, was "if only these folks understood intimacy and dating, maybe they would be giving each other advice on how to better themselves; versus being mad at women and 'chads'." I kinda wanted to hop in and give some dating advice but quickly realized that that's not what they were interested in.
I'm a heterosexual cis white male who didn't manage to have sex with a woman until I was 37. I didn't blame women for that, though, and it never occurred to me to hurt someone because of it.
Actually, I blamed my socially and doctrinally conservative Christian upbringing for warping my view of sexuality as well as the childhood bullies who constantly belittled me because of my speech impediment. It didn't occur to me to take up arms for either of those abuses, though.
I'm married to that woman, by the way. She is the one who was able to see me for who I am and who didn't let my awkwardness get in her way.
Similar story but I got you beat by 10 years - 47. I also married the woman I first had sex with.
For me it was religion, being a weird arty guy in the conservative South, bullying in junior high and high school, and some childhood trauma.
I had to learn a lot of lessons late, like the fact that I was responsible for "friendzones", that getting rejected doesn't kill you and is necessary, that you can't hold women up to physical standards you don't live up to, and most importantly that you have to try... Incels give up trying.
I'm very lucky that I was too old to get caught up in incel forums. I was lonely, but I never blamed women or got hateful. It was just a puzzle it took me a long time to crack.
@@MusicMissionary, yeah, it took me a while to understand that being "a nice guy" isn't necessarily a ticket out of the friend zone.
Although technically incel, I can't relate to them. I could never feel negative towards women and am 100% pro feminism. It's not womens fault I was born. It still is sad that I probably will never have a real intimate relationship. But no one owes me anything. Its just how I was born. There is nothing I can do about it. Every chance I've gotten has been, "you are a great guy, you are just not my type." The upnside is I have like 20 women friends because "I'm that guy" that can be friends with a woman without making their S.O. jelious. Im 40 now. And at this point I resigned myself to just accept this.
There is a reason why men are negative to women. Its due to leftist and feminist propaganda.
@@cristianoreddevil9736Only men with fragile egos
I'm sorry you went through such abuse and threats and it's so wrong that you weren't supported by law enforcement. I'm also so grateful for the work you do and really respect your honesty and integrity.
Stay safe, you are a gem. Love you, love you're bravery
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Rebecca, I'm glad to see you reporting on a sociological study! Sex, gender and sexuality isn't my particular area of interest when it comes to research, but I think it safe to say that that area of sociology touches on the problem. What I do find piques my interest here is the social construction aspect of the issue -- that, and the qualitative approach your reporting suggests the paper takes (I have sworn a blood oath NOT to do any quantitative studies without adult supervision!).
That said, I'm pretty sure that even a fairly casual perusal of the sociological literature will reveal a lot more material on the subject of incels, how they become socialized into the community and its norms, and how they become radicalized. With that understanding, I think it possible to begin the work of envisioning ways to change the misogynistic norms of our larger society and create more just and equitable futures. I believe we do ourselves terrible harm when we undervalue women as people. There's just so much talent, knowledge and wisdom we ignore when we do!
On a related note, though, I'd ask everyone to remember that we have to be in it for the long haul: it takes one or two generations for a new norm to be established, but a lot longer for an old, established norm to be overcome -- no matter how undesirable that norm may be.
As a man opposed to misogyny and seeing women as sex objects rather than equals, this is truly eye opening as to why men can be so violent towards women. Religion is also part of encouraging this savage cult of misogyny.
My bf is still "technically" a virgin... Don't get me wrong we're very satisfied... We just haven't done "the deed"... But he's been treated horribly by women... And it just about ruined him... But we're both working on helping him be happy and feeling loved...
Sad to hear he had to go through that :( It's very fucked that men get shamed, ridiculed, and silenced when they're mistreated bc "oh you're a man, deal with it, suck it up" like??? I'm sorry this is a human being w feelings wtf.
Glad to hear you 2 are happy together tho 😊
@@Dinnyeify you say that like women aren't already silenced. It feels invalidating when people bring up men's problems when we're talking about women's problems.
@@ellie8784 I get what you mean! The patriarchy hurts women more than men, but it still hurts everyone in different ways. I don't mean to minimize anyone's suffering, I'm just pointing out a bad trend
@@Dinnyeify I agree! Lol sorry if I came of aggressive
@@ellie8784 I just wish collectively we could talk about people problems, because clearly there's societal pressures on people regardless of classification to act in a specific way.
I'm also terrified of the encouragement of that classification of people into distinct groups, as it just polarizes and fragments discussion of problems with like causes to the point where they're unable to be progressed in a healthy manner.
In the UK, the term ‘wanker’ is used to mean someone who masturbates, and also to mean someone who isn’t very nice (I guess in a similar sense to describing someone as an asshole). So an ‘incel’ manages to hit both definitions.
Sadly, these groups are providing a sense of community young men are not getting elsewhere. If society cannot provide opportunity and growth, there are plenty of hate groups that will take them in.
Yes, and videos like this are a great example of how to push people down the rabbithole.
@@synchronium24 Nope. If you're getting pushed down the alt-right pipeline from this? You were going to go down that road already and weren't willing to pause and think from the other side's point of view.
Tribalism is a doucheweasel and a half, man.
@@neoqwerty
"Nope. If you're getting pushed down the alt-right pipeline from this?"
It doesn't have to happen in one step. Just as pushing people to the left rarely if ever happens overnight.
"Tribalism is a doucheweasel and a half, man."
You just described this video.
I don't mean this in a mocking, way.
You know how zoologists and animal behaviorists denounce owning or possessing primates as exotic pets? They say that when the animals reach sexual maturity, they become too dangerous and unpredictable?
Apparently, there is no creature quite so dangerous when sexually thwarted or frustrated as a human male who has been raised to think sexual fulfillment would be compulsory.
This itself is a pathology ....
Oh, they love to be pictured that way so they don't have to take that much responsibility of hating women and attacking them.
@@TM-qt2ze They actively avoid taking personal responsibility for the harm they inflict by saying that their actions and outcomes are genetically determined. Everybody gangsta about medicalism until someone comes up with a medical solution to their problems 🔨🎱
@@SocialDownclimber what's the medical solution to incels?
@@lucindabreeding I think the emoji meant castration? Idk
I love how conservatives went into thrift stores and up-cycled our old "I have a brown friend" alibi.
I've been avoiding watching the video, because I wasn't mentally in a centered enough place for the topic. I'm glad I got to a good enough mental place sooner than later. It felt a bit like pulling off an adhesive bandage. Thank you Rebecca for another great video!
Real men don’t whine and don’t try to control other people.
Only cowardly people need to put down others to feel a bit better.
This video is so prescient. I was just thinking about how violence seems to be the answer to every perceived slight these days. Can we all just calm the eff down please?
I write and youtube about true crime, and yeah, it's not just incel terrorists...it's serial killers, family annihilators, and just plain old wife killers. How many serial killers were allowed to take more lives because a woman's report was ignored? How many women -and entire families- have been killed by angry misogynist ex who made public threats, stalked her, etc etc ad nauseum.
Anyway, stay safe from these crazy assholes. And keep on calling this shit out.
Women love serial killers. Look at the case of recent serial killer in Miami and see how many women are simping for him.
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 A few women do have a paraphelia for serial killers. That =/= "women love serial killers." But you knew that (well, except what "paraphelia" means), you just wanted to troll.
@@themurdernerd Didn’t know the word. Thought women love serial killers because how attractive they are.
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 Well you thought wrong
I have met incels before. It’s not due to their looks. It’s due to their character. If they had a better sense of humanity,,, most would find love easily. They drive women away, then blame the women.
I'm a 51-year-old dude who hasn't had a girlfriend. The decades of loneliness and feelings of hopelessness have been agonizing to varying degrees over the years. Very glad I don't blame my problems on women like incels do, though. The reason not having a girlfriend hurts me so much is because I love women so much and wish I was attractive to one so I could share intimacy with her. Not sure why incels care so much about having sex with people they hate.
@@chrisstoltz3648 I'd say it's more that incels hate women because particularly attractive women don't throw themselves at said incels like a cheap harem anime.
Virtually non of them hate women, they just understand how women operate in the realm of dating.
If someone states “Tinder shows that 80% of women exclusively pursue the visual top 20% of men” and another man says “That means you hate women”, what he actually means if “If what you’re saying is true, then women should be hated, because there’s no way you could believe that without hating women”.
I can list good women all day long, that doesn’t mean I should like every single individual woman on earth regardless of their behaviour simply because they’re women.
With all due respect. I don’t think any incel could ever hate any woman as much as the average woman hates you.
@@johnwilliams655 - is what happens on Tinder really all that relatable to the behaviour of the population as a whole? The majority of people meet their partners in real life not online, and of those that first contact their partner online don’t necessarily do that through a dating service.
@@johnwilliams655 "they just understand how women operate in the realm of dating"
Have you heard of something called the Dunning-Kruger effect?
The idea that incels -- men who cannot get dates -- understand the nature of women better than men who actually have intimate relationships with women is fucking absurd. And leaving aside men who actually have intimate relationships with women, there are the women themselves, who spend 100% of their lives in the company of a woman and yet they are supposedly ignorant to great wisdom about women held by these virginal men who complain about them on message boards from a distance. Are you having a laugh?
I used to troll their forums because they get so angry, so easily.
It’s worth pointing out that incels say they can’t find anyone willing to adult-funtime them, yet only aim for the cream of the crop girls at least in the eyes of society. Usually upper middle class plus, 18-22 years old, white (not sure why they obsess over that so much, I’m white and they’re not THAT cute), flawless natural beauty that they don’t need to wear makeup and are very feminine and conventionally attractive.
They’re also CONVINCED that it has to be how they look despite having no social skills and refuse to acquire them. Many of them bragging they can’t dance at all, have no knowledge of common pop culture references and some even brag about having ZERO friends in the real world.
Are you saying incels want that 10/10 woman? I doubt that if they didn’t have the option. And many of them have had personal experience of cold reality(black pill.).
Shit, these guys have written the manual on "how not to behave." Thanks for shedding light on this, Rebecca.
It's hard not to see people who think and act this way as much more than animals. Am I dehumanizing those who set aside their own humanity? I'll have to give this some thought.
Animals are generally nice. They don't cause harm for the sake of it.
Interesting... Animals don't naturally hurt or behave with pathology..sure 💕💜💚 but just ask any animal vets ...some animals act weird after being hurt... It's true ... All need help..care... Rehabilitation xx
Cult members might be a better way to compare them. Or hate groups that honnstly, are also very cult like. And pick also social lost feeling people to recruit them.
Thats not an apology for any action, but cult is a better way to see thm as humans and terrible , some might really be monsters, but most are just recruited in a way.
Also gamergate.
It's a fun thing to cope with the insanity, but obviously complete BS.
Animals don't create groups based on shared beliefs which they use to promote violence and dehumanize other part of their own species. In other words, animals are to stupid to be as violent, because animals cannot build an abstract concept of violence to which they attribute another abstract concept to justify commiting it.
@@marocat4749 I think elevatorgate might be even closer. To both incels and Rebecca. But the two were very close together. The -gates, I mean.
Hearing you just casually and jokingly talk about this is both shocking, and I honestly don't know how to feel about it. Just so sad that this has to be part of your day to day life for making educational content on TH-cam.
Oh, I feel so sad about all the haters and stalkers you have encountered. I just hope they will be better dealt with in the future.
"And what was to be done if they could not believe in their own strength without subjecting others to cruelty?" Solzhenitsyn
Woah. Thank you for all you do!
Wow that stalker sounds scary AF! Hope you're doing ok :-/
WOW... with your history involving stalking by violent nazis, i have to applaud you for being so courageous... or sardonic... both really, but DEFINITELY brave... moreso than I could be !
Thanks!
All so familiar. Would you believe Franc Hoggle is still stalking me? He sent me an email a few weeks ago. And of course Mabus still flares up now and then.
Those are familiar names. I thought Monsieur Markuze was given multiple court orders to knock it off. Frustrating that it isn't getting enforced. I remember encountering that guy on some forums well over a decade ago. He's... persistent.
_"...Mabus..."_
Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time.
Mabus/Markuze still shows up sporadically in odd corners of the internet! People let me know when he's been spotted, but he is greatly diminished and cautious about getting too much attention. I guess having been institutionalized for a while has put the fear of cops/psychiatrists in him.
Hoggle, on the other hand, is and always has been chickenshit, hiding under a multitude of pseudonyms and preserving only the single identifying characteristics of racism, anti-semitism, misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia…but those are so common on the internet that it's hard to identify him specifically.
Thankful for the large amount of female influence in my life. My family group mainly consists of women. Including close inlaws its a ratio of 5 : 10 male/female close family members (this mainly comes down to early deaths of several male family members). You very quickly get disabused of some notions when its primarily women doing the talking around and some of them make more money than the husband.
I feel you on this. My mom and sister inoculated me against a lot of dumb concepts about women and they are both intelligent and my mom has always been the head of my family, much to my dad's chagrin.
I'm convinced people are only incels because they refuse to acknowledge that nobody likes them because they are terrible people. They instead shift the blame to whatever theory they can cling onto like their looks instead of taking responsibility and recognizing that they are the problem. Personal accountability is a bitter pill to swallow.
That’s why the hunchback of Notre was tied up and had tomatoes thrown at him, not because of his appearance but because he was a terrible person.
@@johnwilliams655 Flawed logic. 1) Quasimodo is a fictional character. 2) Do all incels have congenital deformations? 3) Are the values of the 21st century the same as the 15th century?
Small ask: could you start posting the DOIs for the papers you talk about in your videos? I understand that you can't post links because of sci-hub or whatever. But it would be convenient for checking up on the studies you talk about.
Thanks! :)
I've always had a problem with the 'involuntary' part of incel. All they need is the willingness to become a better person. Reading some of their comments (threats, disdain for women, etc.) leads me to believe they don't want a real relationship. Or it's just a really big lack of self-awareness.
And what about the men who did the same advice you gave? What will you say then?
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 If they make some effort to become a better person, that's good. If they think they are justified in threatening women, they aren't better.
@@kirklarson4536 And what about my second question?
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 I don't get what you're asking.
@@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201 they need to just accept rejection and not be angry or entitled about it.
Men like this are the reason why I've taken weight training / self defense courses AND keep a large knife in my pocket as well as a can of mace in my purse at all times. Especially if I'm alone and out in public. Thankfully I've never had to use any of it and I hope that I won't ever have to, but it's all there just in case.
You really think incels are going to randomly attack you in the street or something? Tell me, if an attractive 6 pack 6ft tall guy comes your way would you need that stuff?
@@joelxl635 True bro. Your comment here is good because it indirectly highlights that most so called incels are not occupied with what certain headlines publish they are, but with the far more innocuous business of sitting on their rear ends trying to make sense of why they don't get none. Right or wrong, it's a nonviolent affair. So fear not Lauren! You will not be assaulted by some nutless lonely heart with barley any life experience to speak of, I promise. Doesn't really fit the profile after all if you think about it.
@@joelxl635 y’all are just gonna ignore all the women killed by men because they wouldn’t take no for an answer 🤡
Maybe one day Women and all Non-men well be seen as people. One day...
Not only is excessive sexuality and violence a part of our idea of masculinity, the two are linked together, it’s cool to have tons of sex but not cool to focus on your partner or care how they felt at any point
Hi crew xx much love. Thanks for covering this.
Bigup Katharina O'Donnell for her warp + weft work on the injured masses ...who are in truth ...intersectional men!🤷 xx
And, though they don't believe in themselves, because of a decade of paranoid, conservative 'one up man ship' ...all humans know men are wonderful, essential and caring...if they reject #Incel philosophy 💜😎☮️👍💙🌼
I would suggest that incels _identify_ as cishet men. I've had an incel tell me that he would be happy if he never had a girlfriend but society expects blah blah blah and I was like "dude... you're just ace..."
Are hobos afinancial?
@@johnwilliams655 Yes, in many cases. The term has a long history in the United States and associated with the transient lifestyle that preferred freedom over property. The "Hobo" way of life is anti-capitalist in nature. But somehow I don't believe you are here for a history lesson.
I dont see a problem with men who say they are putting women aside insofar as just "going their own way" but only if thats what they actually want. Is to go their own way. Plenty of ace people do that without hurting a single soul. I wonder if these men have ever thought about.... Befriending a woman. Just be friends with a woman with zero pressure or expectations of anything but a friendship. They may find :O theyre actually just humans and just like us dudes.
It is my understanding that people associated with the Trump campaign or are least Trump supporters looking for more people to support him would troll incel forums back in 2015/2016 for recruitment purposes.
Creepy. I ran into that guy in TH-cam comments. The video was on religion and how it functions. I remarked that I had seen such tactics used in a local church and he got angry at me. I am still not sure what his actual beef was. I think I blocked him, or I hope I did.
0:36 If "Herculean" means "requiring the strength of Hercules", would something that requires the detective skills of Hercule Poirot be called "ehr-KYOO-lee-an"?
Wouldn't it be Poirotean?
(Yes I know I'm stating the obvious, sue me).
@@nicholasrodinos4701 Expect to hear from my lawyer lol
@@LisaBeergutHolst Good luck suing me, I have diplomatic immunity.
I suppose if you can't find anything real to hate, to justify your own twisted view of the world, you'll just come up with something to hate.
After all, it's much easier to hate and point fingers than it is to look inward and put the blame on yourself for that same behaviour.
Maybe they need some recreational herbage.
One thing (among many others) that annoys me about the “just get them laid” argument is…do they really think once these guys get laid once they’ll just stop acting this way? No of course not especially the ones that are so far deep in their own hatred. If they like it their gonna want more or want it from that same woman who gave it to them the first time…like then what? Their basically saying these men need a sex slave at all times so they don’t go bezerk and harm someone 🤦🏼♀️
if they allow themselves to see their own faults, and work on improving their personality, they are more likely to be a better person AND find a romantic partner. it's a win-win.
I'm pansexual. I stopped dating cis men because of incels and just general misogyny. If I have a choice, why choose men ultimately. It's too dangerous.
Not all men are incels or misogynist tho lmfao?
How could anyone not like you.
I really like your intellectual breakdown of all the topics you cover.
Thank you for your efforts
Incels use the term "normie"... yuck.
In my experience, "normie" is as a fairly common, softly derogatory, term for neurotypical folks used by some non-neruotypical folks.
When ND folk use normie, it's generally NOT as an insult but delineation so the listener knows what or who is being referred to.
What? That's just common internet slang, refers to anyone who isn't chronically online and has a life.
I just love your channel. It should have a bazillion subscribers. Please keep trying to open eyes.
It really shouldn't.
Time to check in with David Futrelle over at We Hunted the Mammoth.
....not heard of this....
@@aliwright1016 It's a great site dedicated to dragging these creeps.
Damn. The part about how minorities in far right groups connect with the white supremacists through misogyny was mind blowing
Haha we live in hell :)
Over a year late, but first time I came across this video. Online communities celebrating violence as masculine and heroic is something that shows up big time on TH-cam videos related to Marvin Heemeyer, eg. the recent "Killdozer | Marvin Heemeyer’s Armored Bulldozer" by the channel Tank Encyclopedia. Many, *many* people, almost entirely men it seems, celebrate him as a folk hero when in reality he was an unhinged terrorist. There is this a whole mythology about why he did what he did and how he was so wronged. You see comment after comment saying things like "this is what happens when you push a man too far". The mythology is so deeply rooted that attempts to set the record straight, to explain the historical facts, are met with great hostility.
Wanted to like the video but stopped at the Gulag Archipelago quote.
Socialist states, with many of the flaws they had or still have, were the first ones to recognise women and minority rights - indiscriminately flinging mud at everything those projects achieved and represent, mud manufactured with the sophistry and the fallacies of deeply troubled people hiding in the darkest shadows of moral relativism, is not only irresponsible and counterproductive but also very dangerous because it lays a path through which more and more harmful misinformation can flow towards large audiences, possibly cutting them off from ever accepting the objective nature of their class struggle and thus dragging them on a path of imaginary virtues, many of which they would be encouraged to signal towards others in order to falsely satiate their thirst for righteousness while aimlessly drifting through an ocean of injustice.
I think that quoting a sentence of a book does not mean condoning the entire book. Anyhow, I am not sure how the URSS achieved anything even close to socialism, or how much better they were in terms of misogyny and homophobia. Looking at modern day Russia is hard to see any progress in these fronts...
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Believe it or not, when the USSR first formed they allowed both women and non-straight people to openly participate in politics and hold elected positions. Being homosexual was not illegal. Yes, the USSR did crack down on hyper-religious stuff but I really cannot stay on my high horse in the present and blame them - the orthodox church along with others sects/religions both back then and even today are incredibly corrupt and full of bigoted nonsense. If anything, letting religious brainwashing to run rampant through Russia after the fall of USSR only did more harm than good, being a generally regressive, reactionary force.
Sure, quoting something from a questionable source isn’t inherently bad... but would you use the quote “If you want to know who controls you, look at who you are not allowed to criticise” knowing it was said by a neonazi pedophile (Kevin Alfred Strom) ?
@@cezarcatalin1406 Yeah, and the revolution was betrayed as most ultimately are. I've been a leftist organizer for a very long time and while I understand the history of the USSR is demonized in the US to the point of absurdity, dismissing gulags and the NKVD as, "They were just doing what needed to be done to defend against counter-revolution" is missing the mark. And it will never win you the coalitions a so called leftist professes to want.
People will say this video is entirely wrong, then see a person like Jacob Yerkes and say "Eh, that's no big deal."