Really great interview with a humble and passionate CEO. My next computer will be from them as a thank you for cosmic (and because their computers are looking high quality).
Great interview! Just to plant a seed here, KDE Plasma already offers all three things that Carl wants out of Cosmic: we have a multi-year major version compatibility guarantee, a flexible framework that can be remixed and customized by not only users but also distributors and OEMs, and people seem pretty content with KDE's leadership these days. :) In case there are any future collaboration opportunities, we're open and friendly!
@BrodieRobertsn sounds like opportunity to post a part 2... Either just the end or better yet ... The end +you sharing ur thoughts. And thanks. This was a great interview.
Thanks for giving space to Mr. Richell. What a great guy to linux community. I am glad System76 haves many competent devs. I hope rusty cosmic will be here sooner than later.
I didn't know much about what System76 before. Cosmic seems really cool though, happy to see a Rust based DE that's going to be shipped on a popular distro.
It is really gratifying to hear Carl's preference about keyboard layouts... Left of A ("Caps Lock" position) is the one true place for the Control key! :) I encountered this in the wild on an old Sun Sparc workstation in college, and instantly realized that all keyboards should be made this way. Must buy System76 hardware now... Would still be fun to find someone who ships this as the default. I'm not sure about Super to the left of spacebar; in my workflow I use Alt/Meta a lot more often than Super while touch-typing, and I like that Super is slightly more difficult to reach, it's more of an investment to interact with the desktop environment than to stay within the current window. Maybe if you're used to the Mac keyboard, it makes sense. But then again, the Mac Command key is not really a super key; it is mixed up with Ctrl for too many functions. In fact, no OS really got the Super key right before Pop!_OS. Extremely logical how, not only is Super always intercepted by the desktop environment, rather the app, but also conversely every desktop-level shortcut involves Super. Whoever thought of Alt F4....
I was just telling someone about System76 and a few minutes later I see this uploaded 10 minutes ago. Love what you're doing and the unique way you're approaching things. I was actually considering getting the Pangolin laptop today. It would be awesome if you add more AMD-based laptops (and if possible add more options to increase RAM/etc. for the Pangolin?) Though I have to say if I do buy it I'll install Arch right away. :) Keep up the awesome work!
Yeah, the Pangolin went slightly backwards. The screen now has thinner bezels and 100% sRGB, but still 16 : 9, and actually regressed in terms of refresh rate from 144 hz to 60 hz. It's a shame, because it's no longer a good purchase (and 1080p at 16 inches is a bit not enough pixel dense for me).
Most productivity apps expect either full screen or a big 16:9 window to fit their layout. Tiling is very inefficient. Also, you do window resizing a lot with other windows. Although there are more flexible tilers, it's not enough. Especially in frequent drag & drop workflows. Games don't like being resized, period. There are games that will crash if they are forced to resize (Windows blocks resizing if apps declare it).
Most professionals have ultrawide (24:9), double wide (32:9), and multi-monitor workstations. Even if you have one application capable of 16:9, there's still so much wasted space unused by applications in fullscreen. Tiling is very efficient. Games run fine on COSMIC and other tiling environments. Select fullscreen mode and it'll use the full screen.
Just tossing this out there. Im sure it wont be in scope but it just popped in my head. after the keyboard talk. A version of the laptop with no keyboard. some sort of io pin setup or matrix to build my own face plate and attach momentary buttons sliders or pots. Hearing open source hardware just got me thinking. I have a few projects that would take a while to develop for interms of hardware. But if there was a solution that had some sort of features similar to a single board pcb but a BIG BOY! I would toss money at it. Just sayin. I thought of a latte panda but a laptop version with a carved out area for a faceplate of custom buttons. Again just tossin it out there. Either way im lookin at system76 for my next purchase I think. Good talk guys.
I hope they publish some good developer documentation for devs that want to develop apps for Cosmic. I'm learning Rust right now, and I'd love to develop GUI apps that are well integrated with the desktop
I have been working on documentation for libcosmic since Friday. If you have already read the API documentation for iced, then the experience here is very similar.
Late to the program. I just want to say this about tiling as a new user to Linux. GOD DAMN IS IT AMAZING. I'm still trying to figure out what I want and all out of a DE. I'm using floating at the moment while I get an understanding of what I want and need. I do know that it will be tiling.
Regarding Caps Lock, when I was in the USMC we had to write in Naval Letter format. It's literally all capital letters lol. Look it up, it's so stupid. This is still done today. It is literally made to look like a typewriter in my opinion.
I like System76 a lot. I love my Lemur Pro and excited to see what Cosmic desktop is like. I also loved my Launch Keyboard, but unfortunately it died right out of warranty :(
@@l0gic23 I think the usbc connector failed. I could probably fix it, but haven’t tried yet. The cost to send it to system76 for repair is more than a new keyboard.
@@Euphorya really interesting... Thanks for sharing more. Sounds like something system 76 would want to examine. If I worked for system 76 I would ship you a replacement for free with a return label for you to ship back the dead keyboard. I would then ensure we learn why it faiiled (root cause) and then address that issue. Once fixed, I might just ship you the new version as a Thx for your time, patience, and extended trust. If we needed to be frugal, I would ship a refurbished replacement knowing that later I would ship a new keyboard that has your fix , with a ty card for your contribution. This is an opportunity for systen76 to do the right thing for you, future customers, and for themselves. Long tern leadership and value is critical. As a owner (which I'd want to be), I would even do it at my cost if that was the only way... It would be worth it to invest into my company's sustainment... the first 20 years is just that... I'd be excited for the next 20+ and being part of the mission moving forward... Long lasting value and impact...
I will start by saying I love Rust, Love Elm, Adore a LOT of what they are doing with Cosmic DE (only reason I won't say I love everything is because of the 'floating window across monitors', which I need, but understand 100% the reasoning for them not implementing etc., just saying it isn't for me). So don't take the following wrong. Everything he mentions at around 38:30 or from 39:00 39something... it sounds SO DOABLE with KDE/Qt/QML or whatever. It really does not sound like they had those two options of "spend engineering cycles on adapting GNOME or write our own stuff". He does say that he would need to write a compositor anyway - and the decision came only after trying everything else first, but idk - it does smell a bit of a not built in house with notes of rewrite it in rust. Either way, I do absolutely love what they are doing, as a user and consumer. But I THINK I wouldn't invest in it in the first place if I was in their shoes a couple years ago.
You would have to be on the engineering team during the formation of COSMIC to understand how each choice was made. There were many prototypes and months of deliberation. We needed a GUI toolkit that is easy to work with in Rust, supports the theming mechanisms we planned to implement, and supports all of the Wayland protocols our compositor will be designed around. The Qt prototype failed to get off the ground due to the lack of functional Rust bindings. It would require more effort to create bindings for Rust than working on a native Rust library, and the end result wouldn't have been appealing to Rust programmers. I was working on the GTK4 prototype, which was being built around Relm4. I joined the Relm4 organization and rewrote its component system during that period. It required forking GTK to implement support for the Wayland layer-shell protocol, but getting those patches merged upstream wasn't making much progress despite 6+ months of effort. They effectively won't accept it until a huge chunk of GTK4 is refactored. It also didn't support fractional scaling, we have no control over theming, it was too difficult to create custom widgets, and the Rust API was far from a first class experience. Meanwhile, the iced prototype was much easier to work with. Iced has a lean code base without the decades of technical debt. It was easy to add a custom runtime with the features we needed to iced. It was easy to implement the Wayland protocols we needed. We have full control over the implementation of theming. And we can make a first class application toolkit that's easy to work with in Rust.
@@mmstick Thank you SO MUCH. I loved the response. I always trusted that there were good reasons, what you just said takes that little bit more off of faith into knowledge of how reasonable the reasoning was. Also, as I said, I love what you guys are doing. Not only for Cosmic but for the ecosystem at large as well (iced, rust, Linux ecosystem, you name it). Much love, thank you.
Internal dates are easier to push away. But once there's a loose public date....It MUST come out by then. I've seen this working in corporate environments. People slack off more when the cutoff is internal, but they're very focused when they've told the clients something will be done late November.
I listened to an interview with Jeremy about firmware. The topic of Framework came up. I got that there is strong overlap in the vision and consumer base, I'm not sure what they can collaborate on. A potential collaboration I'm excited about is between oxide and framework though.
I would have loved to ask about Intel GPUs, Frore coolers, IME and AMD PSP, advantages of Pop on System76 hardware, firmware updates, and possibly RISC V.
Thank god someone said it: having a release date IS important. Enough of this ***** "when it's ready" that elementary OS and others say as an excuse to delay indefinitely an open source project.
I'm genuinely so excited for cosmic. It looks so clean and I can't wait to try it. that and kde 6 are going to make it hard to decide lol System76 is a good in the linux, libre, and tech world edit: also W for system76 for having a Michael Redmond video ( I assume it's an alphago review video) on their website lol i just went on the website and saw it.
I prefer floating windows with window snapping/window zones. I hate windows resizing other windows. There have also been many instances I want my windows to overlap.
Recently I had a laptop fry its only USB-C port. Suddenly it was impossible to charge using the included USB-C power adapter. Fortunately, it also has a simple DC barrel jack that can tolerate anything between 9v and 20v (at least that's the range I tested). Unfortunately, it's a weird size of barrel jack, rarely included with aftermarket chargers. But I found one! Now it can receive power again. To be fair, the frying most likely was due to adding a magnetic plug adapter that often wiggled too much. But that means the USB-C port is too fragile for real-world use. (It's a cheap little Asus, basically a glorified chromebook, marketed for kids to use in the classroom. And no, it does NOT use the typical chromebook barrel jack.) So now I prefer charging laptops via barrel jack, preferably the common size that aftermarket power bricks use as a base for plug adapters. Use a very robust regulator circuit with ridiculously loose voltage tolerances. If USB-C power is desirable, embed a chip in an optional "ultralight travel" power cord to negotiate PD voltages. I have one and it works. But on the laptop side it's still a barrel jack. I don't know what system76 uses for laptop power.
I find it strange that in the whole "Why make your own desktop" discussion, he just talked about gnome and its problems without mentioning KDE once. Cause to me it seems KDE is already a lot of what they want Cosmic to be: it's highly customizable to the point where you can make your own thing out of it that can barely be recognized as KDE any more, writing your own applets is fairly easy and they generally don't just break with updates, and tiling scripts for KWin are also a thing. Still, Cosmic looks interesting and I appreciate them pushing the Rust GUI.
Look at it from a pop os user perspective. The drastic shift from something like a curated gnome experience to kde would be catastrophic. Also system76 would still ne in the same position of being at the whims of another project's visions and ideas. Kde also has serious stability issues and feature creap. Cosmic Desktop goal seems to be making the transition from Pop OS gnome as clean as possible while Also increasing the functionality and performance
Re: place the main shortcut key next to the space bar so it's under stronger fingers... Congrats, you just rediscovered what Apple knew back in the early 1980s. Apple had it right all along, and Microsoft (and the Linux desktop in imitation) got it wrong. It still cheeses me off that Firefox for other-than-Mac refuses to allow Mac-like keyboard interaction, even after heavily customizing Gnome's shortcuts. I still haven't figured out where FF hides their keyboard shortcuts in that monstrously large and complex code base. Cosmic devs: please keep the keyboard input customizable! It would be best to start with classic Mac shortcuts, and then add more for workspace navigation using similar logic. But simply allowing customized keyboard behavior would be good enough. Especially if applications could be forced to honor the user's preferences.
I've always thought Pop was the best "out-of-the-box" distro. But this interview makes me really appreciate it and System76 even more. Brodie Ive been watching you for a while... STOP BEING shocked by your interview guests. You deserve it.
System76 really needs to move away from those shitty china OEM bodies, they're the main reason why I won't buy a system76 machine and still opt for a ThinkPad. I know they're working on it and their goals are noble.
@@owlmostdead9492 Yeah, 16 : 9 on laptops, especially premium ones, needs to die. 16 : 10 and (my favorite) 3 : 2 is just so much better for productivity while having less bezels. And even when watching videos, at least you black bars on that content versus just bezels that can't be used for anything else. Literally almost every Windows OEM has moved on from 16 : 9; maybe custom ODMs like StarLabs and System76's upcoming Virgo laptop would be the future. Something like the Framework Laptop 16 with a higher-tier AMD Radeon GPU and either Coreboot or Libreboot would be an endgame for other rebrand OEMs.
That was an awesome interview, but the ending is abrupt.🫣 Was that intentional or did you guys continue, and there is/was supposed to be a Part 2 video added at the end ?
I often forget Linux Hardware manufacturers are companies with CEOs that can be interviewed.
We need an interview with Tuxedo and Slimbook CEOs now. Please make it happen Brodie!
MIght as well include Lenovo and Asus people who help with firmware etc. @@softwarelivre2389
you've been crushing it with guests lately Brodie
It's the power of the Aussie Linux beard.
Greg Kroak-Hartman please 🥹
Really great interview with a humble and passionate CEO. My next computer will be from them as a thank you for cosmic (and because their computers are looking high quality).
Loved the discussion. I have huge respect for System76 for the work they do on PopOS and their contributions to the Rust community.
Great interview! Just to plant a seed here, KDE Plasma already offers all three things that Carl wants out of Cosmic: we have a multi-year major version compatibility guarantee, a flexible framework that can be remixed and customized by not only users but also distributors and OEMs, and people seem pretty content with KDE's leadership these days. :) In case there are any future collaboration opportunities, we're open and friendly!
Love this - first time listener. I came here because I love System 76.
"give me a second, we'll cut back to this" *ends recording*
Oh, I forgot to include the last 10 minutes lol
@BrodieRobertsn sounds like opportunity to post a part 2... Either just the end or better yet ... The end +you sharing ur thoughts.
And thanks. This was a great interview.
@Brodie pls post the last ten minutes
@BrodieRobertson pls post the last 10 minutes
Thanks for giving space to Mr. Richell. What a great guy to linux community. I am glad System76 haves many competent devs. I hope rusty cosmic will be here sooner than later.
I didn't know much about what System76 before. Cosmic seems really cool though, happy to see a Rust based DE that's going to be shipped on a popular distro.
thank you for this interview. Love or not, so awesome to see a CEO with such a passion and so connected with what they're doing
Underrated channel!
I sense an accelerating build up for the ultimate Linus interview
so excited for cosmic rust desktop, awesome to hear the ceo thoughts :)
Years ago I sent System76 a stamped envelope and they sent me stickers to cover up the Windows logo on my keyboard. They still do that!
It is really gratifying to hear Carl's preference about keyboard layouts... Left of A ("Caps Lock" position) is the one true place for the Control key! :) I encountered this in the wild on an old Sun Sparc workstation in college, and instantly realized that all keyboards should be made this way. Must buy System76 hardware now... Would still be fun to find someone who ships this as the default.
I'm not sure about Super to the left of spacebar; in my workflow I use Alt/Meta a lot more often than Super while touch-typing, and I like that Super is slightly more difficult to reach, it's more of an investment to interact with the desktop environment than to stay within the current window. Maybe if you're used to the Mac keyboard, it makes sense. But then again, the Mac Command key is not really a super key; it is mixed up with Ctrl for too many functions. In fact, no OS really got the Super key right before Pop!_OS. Extremely logical how, not only is Super always intercepted by the desktop environment, rather the app, but also conversely every desktop-level shortcut involves Super. Whoever thought of Alt F4....
I was just telling someone about System76 and a few minutes later I see this uploaded 10 minutes ago.
Love what you're doing and the unique way you're approaching things.
I was actually considering getting the Pangolin laptop today. It would be awesome if you add more AMD-based laptops (and if possible add more options to increase RAM/etc. for the Pangolin?)
Though I have to say if I do buy it I'll install Arch right away. :)
Keep up the awesome work!
Yeah, the Pangolin went slightly backwards. The screen now has thinner bezels and 100% sRGB, but still 16 : 9, and actually regressed in terms of refresh rate from 144 hz to 60 hz. It's a shame, because it's no longer a good purchase (and 1080p at 16 inches is a bit not enough pixel dense for me).
PopOS is the best UX on Linux, wishing them luck with cosmic
Yet another great interview.
Most productivity apps expect either full screen or a big 16:9 window to fit their layout. Tiling is very inefficient.
Also, you do window resizing a lot with other windows. Although there are more flexible tilers, it's not enough. Especially in frequent drag & drop workflows.
Games don't like being resized, period. There are games that will crash if they are forced to resize (Windows blocks resizing if apps declare it).
Most professionals have ultrawide (24:9), double wide (32:9), and multi-monitor workstations. Even if you have one application capable of 16:9, there's still so much wasted space unused by applications in fullscreen. Tiling is very efficient.
Games run fine on COSMIC and other tiling environments. Select fullscreen mode and it'll use the full screen.
so are you telling me you are a Tech... over a tea? omg best podcast ever maaaan
Very cool
Just tossing this out there. Im sure it wont be in scope but it just popped in my head. after the keyboard talk. A version of the laptop with no keyboard. some sort of io pin setup or matrix to build my own face plate and attach momentary buttons sliders or pots. Hearing open source hardware just got me thinking. I have a few projects that would take a while to develop for interms of hardware. But if there was a solution that had some sort of features similar to a single board pcb but a BIG BOY! I would toss money at it. Just sayin. I thought of a latte panda but a laptop version with a carved out area for a faceplate of custom buttons. Again just tossin it out there.
Either way im lookin at system76 for my next purchase I think. Good talk guys.
I hope they publish some good developer documentation for devs that want to develop apps for Cosmic. I'm learning Rust right now, and I'd love to develop GUI apps that are well integrated with the desktop
I have been working on documentation for libcosmic since Friday. If you have already read the API documentation for iced, then the experience here is very similar.
Late to the program. I just want to say this about tiling as a new user to Linux. GOD DAMN IS IT AMAZING. I'm still trying to figure out what I want and all out of a DE. I'm using floating at the moment while I get an understanding of what I want and need. I do know that it will be tiling.
Emacs users having conniptions re. super being next to space, alt, more correctly 'meta' is used A LOT!
Great interview!
Regarding Caps Lock, when I was in the USMC we had to write in Naval Letter format. It's literally all capital letters lol. Look it up, it's so stupid. This is still done today. It is literally made to look like a typewriter in my opinion.
I like System76 a lot. I love my Lemur Pro and excited to see what Cosmic desktop is like. I also loved my Launch Keyboard, but unfortunately it died right out of warranty :(
Never heard of a dead keyboard
@@l0gic23 I think the usbc connector failed. I could probably fix it, but haven’t tried yet. The cost to send it to system76 for repair is more than a new keyboard.
@@Euphorya really interesting... Thanks for sharing more.
Sounds like something system 76 would want to examine. If I worked for system 76 I would ship you a replacement for free with a return label for you to ship back the dead keyboard. I would then ensure we learn why it faiiled (root cause) and then address that issue.
Once fixed, I might just ship you the new version as a Thx for your time, patience, and extended trust.
If we needed to be frugal, I would ship a refurbished replacement knowing that later I would ship a new keyboard that has your fix , with a ty card for your contribution.
This is an opportunity for systen76 to do the right thing for you, future customers, and for themselves. Long tern leadership and value is critical. As a owner (which I'd want to be), I would even do it at my cost if that was the only way... It would be worth it to invest into my company's sustainment... the first 20 years is just that... I'd be excited for the next 20+ and being part of the mission moving forward... Long lasting value and impact...
I will start by saying I love Rust, Love Elm, Adore a LOT of what they are doing with Cosmic DE (only reason I won't say I love everything is because of the 'floating window across monitors', which I need, but understand 100% the reasoning for them not implementing etc., just saying it isn't for me). So don't take the following wrong.
Everything he mentions at around 38:30 or from 39:00 39something... it sounds SO DOABLE with KDE/Qt/QML or whatever. It really does not sound like they had those two options of "spend engineering cycles on adapting GNOME or write our own stuff".
He does say that he would need to write a compositor anyway - and the decision came only after trying everything else first, but idk - it does smell a bit of a not built in house with notes of rewrite it in rust.
Either way, I do absolutely love what they are doing, as a user and consumer. But I THINK I wouldn't invest in it in the first place if I was in their shoes a couple years ago.
OK, at 55:00 he answered in a way it made sense to me: "we are addicted to making stuff" - enough said. Huge respect.
You would have to be on the engineering team during the formation of COSMIC to understand how each choice was made. There were many prototypes and months of deliberation.
We needed a GUI toolkit that is easy to work with in Rust, supports the theming mechanisms we planned to implement, and supports all of the Wayland protocols our compositor will be designed around.
The Qt prototype failed to get off the ground due to the lack of functional Rust bindings. It would require more effort to create bindings for Rust than working on a native Rust library, and the end result wouldn't have been appealing to Rust programmers.
I was working on the GTK4 prototype, which was being built around Relm4. I joined the Relm4 organization and rewrote its component system during that period. It required forking GTK to implement support for the Wayland layer-shell protocol, but getting those patches merged upstream wasn't making much progress despite 6+ months of effort. They effectively won't accept it until a huge chunk of GTK4 is refactored. It also didn't support fractional scaling, we have no control over theming, it was too difficult to create custom widgets, and the Rust API was far from a first class experience.
Meanwhile, the iced prototype was much easier to work with. Iced has a lean code base without the decades of technical debt. It was easy to add a custom runtime with the features we needed to iced. It was easy to implement the Wayland protocols we needed. We have full control over the implementation of theming. And we can make a first class application toolkit that's easy to work with in Rust.
@@mmstick Thank you SO MUCH. I loved the response. I always trusted that there were good reasons, what you just said takes that little bit more off of faith into knowledge of how reasonable the reasoning was.
Also, as I said, I love what you guys are doing. Not only for Cosmic but for the ecosystem at large as well (iced, rust, Linux ecosystem, you name it).
Much love, thank you.
Internal dates are easier to push away. But once there's a loose public date....It MUST come out by then. I've seen this working in corporate environments. People slack off more when the cutoff is internal, but they're very focused when they've told the clients something will be done late November.
Framework 16 I wonder if System76 will adopt
I really think System76, Tuxedo and Framework should start a longterm cooperation and start putting big pressure on the market.
I listened to an interview with Jeremy about firmware. The topic of Framework came up. I got that there is strong overlap in the vision and consumer base, I'm not sure what they can collaborate on.
A potential collaboration I'm excited about is between oxide and framework though.
so, will there be the end part?
I'm installing pop_OS as soon as it is updated to 24.04 (and cosmic is released)
I'm waiting for cosmic from ublue.
Does the cliffhanger ending mean we get a sequel interview with Carl?!?!
I have been on tilers since 2021 but Cosmic seems very interesting.
I would have loved to ask about Intel GPUs, Frore coolers, IME and AMD PSP, advantages of Pop on System76 hardware, firmware updates, and possibly RISC V.
The answer to 1984 ...is 1776.
Thank god someone said it: having a release date IS important. Enough of this ***** "when it's ready" that elementary OS and others say as an excuse to delay indefinitely an open source project.
I look forward to a Raspberry 5 POP Pi OS!
I'm genuinely so excited for cosmic. It looks so clean and I can't wait to try it. that and kde 6 are going to make it hard to decide lol
System76 is a good in the linux, libre, and tech world
edit: also W for system76 for having a Michael Redmond video ( I assume it's an alphago review video) on their website lol i just went on the website and saw it.
At this point, the next guest could also be Linus Trovalds
I'm still willing to sell my stake in my company and work for system76.
I prefer floating windows with window snapping/window zones. I hate windows resizing other windows. There have also been many instances I want my windows to overlap.
The biggest issue with a bunch of system76 laptops IMO is not just using USB-C for charging. I refuse to go back to a barrel jack.
Recently I had a laptop fry its only USB-C port. Suddenly it was impossible to charge using the included USB-C power adapter. Fortunately, it also has a simple DC barrel jack that can tolerate anything between 9v and 20v (at least that's the range I tested). Unfortunately, it's a weird size of barrel jack, rarely included with aftermarket chargers. But I found one! Now it can receive power again.
To be fair, the frying most likely was due to adding a magnetic plug adapter that often wiggled too much. But that means the USB-C port is too fragile for real-world use. (It's a cheap little Asus, basically a glorified chromebook, marketed for kids to use in the classroom. And no, it does NOT use the typical chromebook barrel jack.)
So now I prefer charging laptops via barrel jack, preferably the common size that aftermarket power bricks use as a base for plug adapters. Use a very robust regulator circuit with ridiculously loose voltage tolerances. If USB-C power is desirable, embed a chip in an optional "ultralight travel" power cord to negotiate PD voltages. I have one and it works. But on the laptop side it's still a barrel jack.
I don't know what system76 uses for laptop power.
Workspace per monitor is hot!!!😊
I was born in 1976 so you see I love system 76
I find it strange that in the whole "Why make your own desktop" discussion, he just talked about gnome and its problems without mentioning KDE once. Cause to me it seems KDE is already a lot of what they want Cosmic to be: it's highly customizable to the point where you can make your own thing out of it that can barely be recognized as KDE any more, writing your own applets is fairly easy and they generally don't just break with updates, and tiling scripts for KWin are also a thing.
Still, Cosmic looks interesting and I appreciate them pushing the Rust GUI.
Look at it from a pop os user perspective. The drastic shift from something like a curated gnome experience to kde would be catastrophic. Also system76 would still ne in the same position of being at the whims of another project's visions and ideas. Kde also has serious stability issues and feature creap. Cosmic Desktop goal seems to be making the transition from Pop OS gnome as clean as possible while Also increasing the functionality and performance
Oh no he disappeared
Re: place the main shortcut key next to the space bar so it's under stronger fingers... Congrats, you just rediscovered what Apple knew back in the early 1980s. Apple had it right all along, and Microsoft (and the Linux desktop in imitation) got it wrong. It still cheeses me off that Firefox for other-than-Mac refuses to allow Mac-like keyboard interaction, even after heavily customizing Gnome's shortcuts. I still haven't figured out where FF hides their keyboard shortcuts in that monstrously large and complex code base.
Cosmic devs: please keep the keyboard input customizable! It would be best to start with classic Mac shortcuts, and then add more for workspace navigation using similar logic. But simply allowing customized keyboard behavior would be good enough. Especially if applications could be forced to honor the user's preferences.
Imagine starting a company with $1600 today.
never got back to that huh XD
can someone please repair brodies car
I've always thought Pop was the best "out-of-the-box" distro.
But this interview makes me really appreciate it and System76 even more.
Brodie Ive been watching you for a while...
STOP BEING shocked by your interview guests. You deserve it.
I know what happened at the end. He just finished installing Steam in the background 😂
System76 really needs to move away from those shitty china OEM bodies, they're the main reason why I won't buy a system76 machine and still opt for a ThinkPad. I know they're working on it and their goals are noble.
Clevo is Taiwanese. Taiwan is not China. Apple's largest supplier is Foxconn, which is also a Taiwanese company.
@@mmstick I don't care from where they are, the design, ports etc. is garbage
@@owlmostdead9492 Yeah, 16 : 9 on laptops, especially premium ones, needs to die. 16 : 10 and (my favorite) 3 : 2 is just so much better for productivity while having less bezels. And even when watching videos, at least you black bars on that content versus just bezels that can't be used for anything else. Literally almost every Windows OEM has moved on from 16 : 9; maybe custom ODMs like StarLabs and System76's upcoming Virgo laptop would be the future. Something like the Framework Laptop 16 with a higher-tier AMD Radeon GPU and either Coreboot or Libreboot would be an endgame for other rebrand OEMs.
Thinkpads are Chinese..
The strawman here is surreal. Just read OPs comment without the word "chinese". It doesn't change what was said.
they could support good de's distros tools. in this point this is just cheesy marketing move to plant everybody's mind that brand is innovative bs
That was an awesome interview, but the ending is abrupt.🫣 Was that intentional or did you guys continue, and there is/was supposed to be a Part 2 video added at the end ?
There's about 5 minutes at the end missing, I'll just chuck that up later