I Got It Working, But Was It Worth It? - Landfill To LAN: m715q Gen2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2024
- I got this Lenovo m715q working in a previous video, but what can it do?
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:30 What Is This Video?
0:57 Thanks to my patrons!
1:30 m715q G2 Specs
3:39 Adding the SSD and cleaning up
6:15 Windows install and BIOS Update
7:11 A Few Benchmarks and Comparison
9:03 I Didn't Install Linux
9:28 HW Transcoding with Jellyfin
10:15 Gaming?
10:58 Game Streaming With Parsec
11:36 PS2 Emulation
13:15 My Thoughts On This - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I just love how these little guys have socketed as opposed to soldered processors.
They were built with the mindset that you could actually repair them, and/or upgrade them rather than throwing them away...most stuff today you buy it that's what you got everything soldered on the motherboard without any sort of way to upgrade the hardware. Even RAM is being soldered on motherboards now, without any additional slots for additional memory later on, buy what you need in the future rather than the present is what you have to do.
The lenovo psb vendor lock makes them kinda useless.
@@jment34 For upgrades, yeah unfortunately the CPU being socketed is kinda pointless with the vendor lock. But at least the machine is still repairable, at least in theory.
Hardware Haven is now Repair Haven. ;)
Haha true
And old parts Heaven
@@JeffGeerling What a NAStastic channel. Can't wait to see what's in store. Happy to see you two in these comments, it's always a good idea to network.
@@MarcoGPUtuber Especially if you're networking at 2.5 or 10G
@@HardwareHaven
Maybe it is old school, but it would be interesting to see what these could do on a a cluster, like a Beowulf cluster....
To your health!!
That R15 score is awesome considering, my 4.7ghz FX 8350 does like just at 700. So to get 600 at like 1/4th the wattage is impressive for low intensity things like home labbing.
Yeah I was fairly impressed with the efficiency for being zen1!
Great video! Love the repair efforts. I finally got my own Proxmox server rebuild video up last week and tried to give you a shout out as the "inspiration" to get it done. It was longer than I intended but opted not to break it down further. Thanks again.
Hey man just found your channel and wanted to say how much I really love what you're doing. We are so quick to sell ourselves in buying new new new, latest, greatest, when in fact a lot of these older systems still have many years of service life left in them. I too have an odd soft spot for repurposing off lease corporate desktops. Keep up the awesome content!
These Lenovo mini computers are beasts, I got the M720q with usb-C from goodwill bins (a pay by the pound center) for like $2 and it had a 256gb ssd and 16gb of ram with an 8th gen i3 I looked it up and it’s about $800 or something, and it’s great, I use it to hold my movies server
Jesus what a deal
I use one for my homelab as a management machine, run proxmox on bare metal and have 2 vms, 1 for pihole and 1 for containers, the containers I run on it are the reverse proxy and uptime monitoring so that if anything from my main server goes down I still get alerts. Hooked up to a ups with my modem and router, if I lose electricity I still have about 4 hours of uptime for internet/network and I get alerts for everything.
Nice!
Thanks for the demo and info, I just purchased this same PC, and plan to setup Batocera for gaming. Have a great day
I have the Lenovo M92P I bought on eBay for $45.00. CPU Intel i5 vPRO 4GB RAM. Had to order the power cable, 240GB SSD, and WiFi Dongle. It was just a bare-bone system. I installed Windows 10 Pro and it works well. I also tinker with the Raspberry Pi 4 4GB with different Linux distro's.
I have two of these but running Intel i7s. One running a weather station and TH-cam livestream for a weather camera the other for retro gaming. Brilliant machines. Opted for a standalone weather station machine because it runs 24/7 365 without interruption which it has done for circa 2 years. Don't know why anyone would want a Pi when these are so cheap!
I have an older M73 used as a backup machine and file storage server. A WD MyBook sits on top and provides bulk storage for films. You can get lots of M.2 drives in that little box 😁 I love these little units, they are so well made.
Nice, we got one recently and are happy with it. What OS is yours running?
these little PCs are great. I have been running the m700 mini for a couple of years now. It has Proxmox and I run a docker container with, navidrome, wireguard, vaultwarden, pi hole. and I also use it as an ark server, windows vm, debian vm and nextcloud. I did have truenas on there aswell but I didn't like the lack of storage options and how cluttered connecting things via usb were. so I ended up building a seperate nas system which runs open media vault. great vid!
Great machines! I have one with a 6500t which I use for a PLEX/NAS Server. (The 5 bay USB3 HDD Dock is massive compared to the PC 😅). Low power consumption and really easy to work on too.
Nice! How’s the external drive bay server you? Also, are you running software raid or hardware?
@@HardwareHaven I use an "ORICO 5 Bay USB 3.0" although only have 3 bays filled ( Its great to just throw other drives in that need diagnosing). No need for raid on it although I did raid0 some SSDs(Software) in the past to check the speeds and it was excellent!
Nice, thanks!
@@HardwareHaven WD Elements Duo also works great!
Well done !
I have a bunch of these (5 x M900 + 1 x M710q) for my home lab Proxmox cluster. They do a really good job for the volume they occupy in the rack 😎
How much memory did you install on it, for the Proxmox cluster?
@@chrisumali9841each node has 16GB
@@Dough296 Thanks for your feedback and response. Have a great day
Honestly content is very nice. Love your work. : )
Glad you enjoy it!
I got one of these off ebay for around $50 last year. It was fun to experiment with as a mini-server/router/test-machine, though I ultimately ended up giving it to my mom for her birthday after her old laptop died. It amazes me how many 65+-year-old people end up paying a fortune for computers when all they use them for is email, office stuff, Facebook, TH-cam, Netflix, Zoom, etc. Either that, or some outdated, bottom-of-the-prefab-barrel big, clunky pile of crap that they still paid too much for, despite it being barely capable of running its OS. Meanwhile, this little guy - dirt-cheap, sleek and unobtrusive; the size of a small hard-cover book and twice as light - has been perfect for everything any typical non-gaming, non-tech-enthusiast, average user will ever need.
Greate knowledge as always 😊 love u bro ❤
Thanks!
using a couple of these as active directory servers, very cheap to run them 24/7
Assuming all 3 work, you could probably swap out the wifi card for a panel mount style 2.5gb nic and mount it up to the extra port in the back. Acquire a 2.5gb switch and those three could be a nice home lab cluster with proxmox.
I found a Mac Mini Core i5 2011 while dumpster-diving behind a business complex, I think I'll try that emulator idea with it.
The drive also came with Windows 7 Enterprise on one partition, and I upgraded the Mac OS partition because it was still on the factory-shipped OS version. They had just been using the Windows 7 partition the entire time.
Oh that’s an awesome dumpster find haha
Great video. M715Q Gen 2 motherboards don't support ECC. The ECC SODIMM will work but ECC functionality does not.
If you decide you want to test out ECC for a future video, the same 2400GE in this Lenovo can be popped into a cheap Asrock A320M board and ECC will 100% work.
I have a similar HP system, but with higher clocked RAM and 16GB. I use it to play light games (Minecraft) and emulate games with Dolphin, and blocking ads when we watch tv on my living room PC. Runs @4k60 (tv is 4k60hz) with a manual xrandr setting (I use Mint btw)
Great value machines, would recommend to people who didn't need ridiculous power
You can play triple A games on these mini PC's. Get a PCIe x16 to M.2 eGPU dock from ADT-Link (the R43SG dock), connect it to the NVME M.2 port on your mini PC, add a GPU to the dock, add a power supply (either an ATX PSU or a Dell DA-2 adapter will work for this) and you can basically play more demanding games.
Awsome! Can this pc modherboard support it?
Im planing to by this pc just for that!
Can you help me, how to do this?
ETA Prime done it, with some mini pc's, but im not sure, this one can.
I cant find any info about it"s m.2 support.
@@1986Redfield As long as the mobo has an NVME M.2 port (preferrably x4 instead of x2), it should be supported.
Great video! Though there’s a blurblock obscuring quite a lot of the screen - is it meant to be there? 😊
Kinda.. haha. I used TH-cam's tool for blurring in post because I missed where it showed a zipcode. Seems like it blurred a lot more than was needed. whoops lol
Your zipcode is still visible in 2 frames. Something has gotten backwards as it seems.
@@Forr0n Eh, I give up lol. Thanks for letting me know. TH-cam's editor is such a massive pain
I need about 2 or 3 of these so badly!
I love your videos so much.
Watching and commenting on your video using my DVD equipped m715q (previous gen using the a12-9800e CPU)) on Windows 11. I'm not a PC gamer and I am sure mine would suck at it, LOL! Works just fine as a desktop doing basic tasks.
nice!
Great video!!
Thanks!
If you end up needing to change the UUID or the SN on the board, you CAN do that. I have a tool Lenovo offers on their site to self maintainers that you boot to that lets you change that stuff.
I'm using my Lenovo M93P Tiny as a moonlight streaming client for emulation with my tower pc running Sunshine and LaunchBox. Working great and lets me play PS2 in 4k.
I was watching this to see how it would be for retro gaming. I saw one of these at a goodwill store.
I've been looking to get one of these micro pc, specifically so I can run Octoprint for 3d printers (since raspberry pi is ridiculously hard to get now). I could live with 9w idle, which would be good enough.
They look great to use but when looking them up online in the UK there is not many of the ryzen models to get besides from china.
They have a different CPU choices with the same M715Q model number ranging from Intel I5s to old and and a6 series so make sure if you are looking for one to get the ryzen version.
I was usig my m715q with BATOCERA linux as my retro gaming machine and it runs realy great
"Landfill to Lan" is a 🔥 title. Inspired, sir.
Thanks! I liked it haha
I got an m710q of eBay for £60 for my projects and I honestly couldn't be happier with it (make sure to run Linux for the optimal experience). It runs great, hosts my projects and is even good for some light programming tasks (so like smaller personal projects)
Nice!
Yeah ive been seeing these units all over ebay recently, pretty tempted to grab one to experiment with.
Curses HH. I just finished building a emulation station and media server out of HP 700 g1 micro pc, its as a AMD A10 in it. But now this video has me thinking of another project. Keep up the great work.
Hahahah my apologies..
@@HardwareHaven LOL it's all good bro. A new project/mystery as plopped on my work bench. Will a i5-8400 work in the motherboard for a HP 280 G3 MT. HP says no, but thr socket and chip set says yes. ***evil laugh*** I must experiment
Thats a awesome possible 3 to 4 node cluster if you get more for proxmox clustering low power and quiet too
Yeah I’m thinking of doing a k8s video, which makes me super nervous haha
What is the height of that 2.5 caddy? I wonder if we could fit those 12.5mm 4TB drives in there. 7mm drives only has a maximum of 2TB. While the 5TB ones are at 15mm.
Gee, now I want an m715q even more. I guess multiarch builds for Docker containers are even faster there than on my tiny gigabyte GB-BACE-3000
how does it feel to be living my dream! haha I've always wanted a powerful smol boy but where i live the cost of living is pretty high, and getting one of these low spec'd would cost me more than it's worth.
I'm talking, I can only find celeron or very low end quadcore at best (i5 8th, or similar) at a pretty high premium to where I can probably get an i7-8th or 10th for that price, or even a 5600g or similar.
I just got 10 of those tiny PCs and I'm still thinking on what to use them for in my homelab and how to orchestrate the cluster. Any advice is welcome.
It's nice to see the AMD APU here is capable of transcoding in jellyfin. Was the performance of jellyfin transcoding and ease of setup for APU transcoding just a straightforward in Linux? And what about the transcoding performance in JF, as I can see from Inte's Wikipedia page about QuickSync, 7th gen intel and above support 4K HEVC 10 bits (I'm assuming supports VVP Tone Map HDR) transcoding and 12th gen and better support Dolby Vision (12-bit HEVC) decoding, where would this APU be? I'm really liking your videos about home server and I'm inspired to setup my own one day if in Canada the price is right.
I didn't test in linux but I belive it's supported. You can check Jellyfins documentation, as it does a pretty solid job covering what all works and what doesn't
As to a TSS at a school who has these M715q machines.. the oem SSD is complete trash. Most of them fail at about 25 to 50tbw over the span of 3 years. They are powerful Tiny aio machines. I just begun replacing them with WD 250gb nvme ssd. they are 35 bucks and keep these running well.
A true poet!
When these things exist I always question why people go for the raspberry pi when all they want is kodi or retropie. Especially at scalper prices but even at msrp after getting a case, storage, and power supply, it isn't much more for one of these and it'll perform way better for both tasks. Plus you can run actual pc games on it. Older or lightweight ones sure, but that's more than the pi can do.
I actually bought a Mini HP Tower with a 2400G to host a Minecraft server for me and my friends, it's been solid
In the chapter list did you mean gaming with parsec? Because I was interested in some proxmox use but no mention at all in the video!
Dang it, yes haha. Thanks for catching that. There are too many things in my life that start with P
And I know it's not in the video, but I currently have one of these running proxmox with 3 debian VMs to mess around with some K3s. Works great so far!
do you think the 2200GE version would have any issue with playing 4k video to a TV? some on ebay for sub $90
Use a hair dryer (or crafting heating gun) to heat up the labels to make the labels easier to remove. Or after running all these benchmarks the machine should be warmed up.
Good thought!
I play forza horizon 5 on a i5 4200m which gets just 300 CB. Looks like you got a good little machine
The file extension .mp4 doesn't mean anything - you need to specify what codec is that vid using. It can be HEVC, H.264 or even ProRes, which is completely different in terms of how difficult it is to be decoded.
Yes you’re correct. It was HEVC not h.264, that was my bad!
Do later bioses add support for newer Ryzen CPUs? Obviously still need a G series one but could get something like a 4600 / 4700GE?
Hmm not sure. Knowing Lenovo, I wouldn't be too hopeful haha
@@HardwareHaven if you've got a later generation ryzen G series CPU could be interesting to try?
As you have a bios flasher I wonder if microcode can be added for them in a similar way you can with 8/9th gen intel support on lga1151.
this would be nice to see you try some alternat ryzen apus
About ECC memory, the PSREF from Lenovo for the PC says it doesn't support ECC
i killed my mac mini when i removed the heat sink. the nylon post didn't make it. I've read that 4-40 nylon screws/nuts will replace them, if you can find them. amazon sells them but in quanities greater than needed for the repair of 1 mac mini (plus I have an imac if I have a need to use a mac)
Oh good to know! Wish I hadn’t already murdered the poor board while trying to get the posts back in 🤦🏻♂️
Thanks Johnny!
@@HardwareHaven back in the day i used metal #4-40 x 3/4" round head machine screws with a nut to replace the nylon posts. make sure you reuse the springs tho!
Ive read somewhere that Lenovo has started PSB locking Ryzen cpus to Lenovo motherboards.
Someone on a forum claimed that PSB locking started after m715qs release. Other claim that you never know, it might affect even older machines.
So I gotta ask you... have you experienced any of these issues on an m715q? Can I upgrade the cpu of my m715q tiny to a Ryzen 5 Pro 24000 GE without any hassle? I currently run a Ryzen 3 cpu.
Thanks in advance!
Hello blurred square, please stick around we might need you again... oh yea, do hide this power adapter, it's absolutely wild and indecent... thanks
Did you see that the Wolfgang's guy recommend your channel in one of his videos? Imagining now a colab between two of my favorites channels sz
Woah what!? Which video?
@@HardwareHaven that video; th-cam.com/video/iTU62K1N8C4/w-d-xo.html
It's awesome
Dang! That’s awesome. Thanks for letting me know. I’ve been away from TH-cam on my HH account for a while
This would be a good kodi box or retro gaming console with Batocera. I had Lenovo m73 and was able to get a 4tb 15mm drive installed with a little work.
For sure, and nice!
@@HardwareHaven using a Ryzen 3200g I was able to upscale Cemu to 1080p high with no issues. Check your bios to see if you can disable CSM (usually under boot menu) this will allow you to allocate more than 2gb to dedicated video memory if you have more system memory. I am running a asrock deskmini x300, 5600g, 32gb ddr4 3200 mhz with 8gb dedicated to vram. It play Yuzu at 1080p 60fps all day.
What's in the spray bottle you used to clean basically all of the pc? it's a while since I have cleaned mine and I wanted to try to change thermal paste
91% isopropyl alcohol
@@HardwareHaven is it really that effective? wow
I'm looking at an M700 (re-con) for less than $100 .... It will be a fiil-in until I can get a RasPi 4B with 8GB ram..... apparently they will be available in the UK from April?
m700 are really good machines, I have been running one for a couple of years now.
love tiny pcs so much
same...
Got myself a m910q with an i5-6500T, 16gb DDR4 and 250GB nvme for around 170€
It's a beast machine/server for my projects/scripts
You should look into the bios mods for it. You can add the 8th/9th gen microcodes and drop in a laptop Xeon 8c/16t with an LGA1151 socket mod from aliexpress.
@@anurbanpenguin8890 really??? Is there any videos so I can look up?
There is a good thread on ServeTheHome. Keeps deleting my comments being more specific. M700/m900 coffee lake bios mod in a search engine is probably a good way to go.
You do know there is a thread on Japan BBS that these boxes boost befirmance when coupled with 130W DC adapter instead of original 90W? 3400GE model gets more boost but for 2400GE it should also be present.
Interesting. Not sure I would want higher power draw though. At that point, just get a machine with a non-E model.
@@HardwareHaven Unfortunately these 1L desktops are not offered with a 2400G CPUs as far as I can tell. And going for bigger case defeats the whole idea.
Well I have a model but it's an Intel but it works very good with some emulation and as his steam link because I use it more
i got a mini system with an m2 realtec lan card added in as my pfsense router at home, i want to get like 3 more to try some vm stuff
That's sweet! Did you have to modify the case?
@@HardwareHaven nope
what do you use to remove stickers residuals? thanks
Beige special in the background :)
That's gonna be a fun one! haha
In last few months I was investigating some of1L mini PCs and my search has narrowed to Lenovo brand, for now, something to Intel 7500T CPU. Lower power consumption, temperature and noise is key benefits with this 1L PCs. What's your opinion for Intel CPUs, will 6500T will be OK for media server, maybe Minecraft server in local network, Plex ... ?
Should work great!
@@HardwareHaven Search is completed. I got Lenovo ThinkCentre M720q with Intel i5 8500. CPU in idle is below 2W ;)
I picked one up a few weeks ago on eBay for under $100 shipped. Been great so far! I will be curious if the price starts to go up with all the added demand from your channel.
I hope not lol
In future you could just keep a preloaded Windows and Linux SSD handy rather than performing an install since nearly everyone who buys these has another PC they can use to install either should the encounter difficulties with their used machine. I keep spare SSDs preloaded for testing and to boot externally using adapters for data recovery. I keep Linux, Windows and also loaded Ventoy to one SSD so I can boot a selection of .isos internally or externally. Ventoy supposedly boots VMs too but I've not tried that yet.
would you still recomend this guy for a budget Jellyfin server?
Will these support the 5000 series APU's when flashed to the newest bios?
Not sure, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I’ve got a broken ryzen 3 aio from HP.
Has 8GB ram and 256gb nvme.
I just saved the mobo (screen was shattered and case was on horrible condition.
It now runs proxmox with my scrypted, pihole, pivpn and soon either homebridge or home assistant.
Works quite well
That’s awesome! I was really close to trying something similar on the channel but the seller fell through. Cool to see that you have that machine new life!
any chance you can dump the EC flash for me? the flash chip that is underneath the m.2 SSD. Trying to convert a Gen1 to Gen2. Already swapped the bios flash from 8MB to 16MB.
Shoot me an email!
niiceeee
yeah im always on a look for these kind of machines. i was going to buy a hp one with 4500t for cheap couple of months ago but then the dumbass seller "went abroad for holiday" on the day we agreed to meet, for some reason.
Id like to see you upgrade this with a 5600G/5700G & more RAM
Upgrade CPU?
Was that a Motocross Madness?
hi
i have the same pc.
I need to have a mod bios.
Want more bios options.
Can you help me?
I want to setup a HomeServer,
I have an ancient PC with an intel pentium dual core e5200 & 3GB DDR2 ram (no GPU)
So should I throw it away or will it be barely ok ??
It would probably work just fine for some tasks, but it will probably use a lot of power relative to slightly more modern machines. If your electricity bill isn’t a concern, then maybe go for it. Otherwise, maybe look at selling it and putting a little bit of that money towards some thing a little bit newer. Third GEN Intel or newer gets quite a bit more efficient
Can you do the upgrade to r5 5600g?
Can we add another LAN port on this ?
Kubernetes, yumm
Yeah.. 😅
Lenovo Vantage or System Update will download and install all necessary firmware, drivers and BIOS in one shot.
Where did you download cinebench r15?
guru3d
there great for Kodi Media PC's
might be a very good pc to run batocera on
For sure!
Old small computers....Chromebox, CN60/62 are fairly cheap. Some even come with an i7.
I’ll keep an I out, thanks!
@@HardwareHaven I've got a CN62 with an i7 running Batocera and it works great, even emulate up to PS2
13:00 yeah to good times where I laugh a lot on this one, especially with creating custom tracks that specifically designed to mess up with the AI players.
just came here from my recommenders
are you not NileRed with a beard who likes computers instead of chemicals?
Why is there a blurry box in the bottom right?
Accidently leaked some stuff lol
And then youtube's editor to help fix it after the fact is absolute garbage
Patch slic back into the bios.
Why is 2:14 - 2:58 blurred?
Because I semi-doxxed myself
@@HardwareHaven o no, you almost leaked your personal info, and you probably feel bad for doing that
rip old mac mini
it will be nice if lenovo put 2 nic on them
Yeah true, but doesn’t really make business sense for them unfortunately
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Noooooooo not the gaussian blur