Jocelyn’s been NAILING those landings!!! She’s so much fun to watch. Love the Gadirova’s too - this worlds is just an example of so much amazing gymnastics!!
Wow I didn’t realize but they’re super similar in terms of their dance execution it’s kinda crazy Joscelyn got hit with a whole point, I would say in the dance elements she had one or two more static seconds but a point is insane in my opinion. Both great routines, Joscelyn’s gymnastic execution was better for sure but Gadirova’s dance was just a bit more dynamic.
Their dance elements are also quite different. You can see Jocelyn isn’t quite hitting the positions in her leaps and hops as well. For example, in her hip full she is bent over forwards with loose knees and just barely at horizontal with her leg. Both of them bend their knee going into their tour-jete a bit, but Jess hits a better split shape
@@jordijuliancasaban9039 ultimately that’s a matter of opinion, in my opinion Jessica’s dance was slightly better but I like the gymnastics from Joscelyn a bit more and I personally am not as interested in dance. Both are good routines.
This feels like what has happened with UB in the past few years- certain skills and connections are so favorably scored that routine compositions become fixed and repetitive. Gymnasts only focus on training these specific set of skills, leading to a LOT of nearly identical (at least in tumbling passes) routines. And in the end, both originality and choreography suffer; We’re in the era of “do the most difficult tumbling you possibly can, even if form and execution suffers as a result, then throw in some poses and call it dance”
@@capriciousstudentNah. Your exact comment has been parroted since the induction of the open-ended CoP. Routines are definitely more original in this comparison.
I have to agree with your statement on how there is so little originality any more...go back to the 1970-90's to see how interesting and original a lot (not all of course) of routines were. The variety of mounts and dismounts alone was quite amazing. And the dance was far more varied as well. Go back and look at the routines of Khokina or Podaptava and you will see what I mean. Svetlana Bogemskya is another very original and beautiful gymnast. I wish that the CoP awarded artistry & originality as well as execution like they used to.
@margaretkinnaman8585 the requirements now leave little room for originality, yet they want originality. FIG is destroying this sport further with each quad and their horrible scoring decisions!
Jessica is so beautiful to watch and knows how to dance Joscelyn is like a chicken with no head dancind on the floor, kind of like a school show! The tumbling is so good in both cases!!
I don't think she'll outscore her teammates for one thing to even make the finals. And she has a very low execution score which doesn't bode well for a medal.
@@Ian.D.She will be outscored by Simone and Shilease and since there's a 2 pet country limit it isn't happening. And I just don't think her execution is all that great. She has flexed feet as well as crossed feet on so many on her tumbling runs and her knees are often soft or even slightly flexed and she falls out of her Mitchell more often then not. I think they will only use her in the vault in team finals. I think Leanne will go up on FX with Simone and Shilease. And it will be either Shilease, Simone and Skye on BB or Leanne, Simone & Shilease on BB. UB I have no idea.
Nope, sorry, her routine isn't in the same time zone as the concept of "artistic". However she would make an above average tumbling gymnast, so she has that going for her
exactly. the COP hasn't changed enough from quad to quad and at this point, coaches and gymnasts have probably figured out how to optimize it. that's why all the beam routines are so boring to watch too.
Boring in the context of all of the gymnasts are using the same skills and combinations to take advantage of the new code...For sureI agree 100% Yet at the same time , it's soo crazy exciting difficulty wise. Lots of gymnasts sre starting to try to up the difficulty . I wish the FIG would see this and figure out a way to reallychange the game . . take caps of of certain elements as well. But they need to figure out a way to let coaches and gymnasts be more creative
@@loveanimalsmost2134 i think it was really exciting when very difficult elements and combinations started to being performed for the first time in the 80's and 90's. Today, top gymnasts are using most of these same difficult elements.
I agree that it's becoming so similar that after you've seen a couple of routines, You've already seen them all because they are so much alike. Go back the the 1970-1990 and see the variety of mounts, dismounts and chorography to see real artistry. I remember Svetlana Bogenskya, Podipayava, and Khokina and their incredibly beautiful routines. And Tatiana Gutsu. I know I butchered the names, sorry
I always thought that her legs do t stretch all the way straight but not being mean but i think shes bull legged. I noticed her run down the vault runway. I do like her routine though and she is super powerful❤
@@MNP208I think this poster is talking about her technique, specifically her bent knees and that perhaps she can’t full straighten her legs. It’s smth she has worked on and has definitely gotten better over this season. I think what this side by side shows is that both gymnasts really on power and their routines really highlights their strengths. Cool video!
@MNP208 It's just an observation, which I believe is why her legs LOOK like they are not fully extended but are! Not being mean, I have the same type. Get over it!
We’re used to seeing hyperextension in gymnastics so that may be why she doesn’t look like she has straight legs when she does. She seems to have a more normal range of motion versus most other gymnasts. Source: I have a genetic condition where hyper-extensible joints is a main characteristic
Then she should go do dancing as a professional. Executing the tumbling passes better should always trump “dancing” better. The ridiculousness of saying someone is more artistic and has better musicality (subjective much) is so annoying.
@@pedropelaez I am so sorry your opinion is the only one that matters. Grow up and learn to respect other points of view otherwise be silent. Gymnasts who can do dance and gymnastics trump those who cannot. If you are so annoyed by a subjective opinion you should not be watching gymnastics.
@@U2BearCat oh sweetie, bless your heart. I love that you actually believe people have to respect people’s opinions no matter how ridiculous they are. Nice try though.
@@pedropelaeznope U2Bearcat is right. You have the attitude of a 7th grade mean girl queen bee. News flash, this isn't middle school... there's room for more then one opinion here. And while I get you're a Josc fan girl, she has faults too. Flexed/crossed feet, soft knees, not stretched in her layouts....but she is fun to watch and I do like her personality that shines through in her routines.
And i had thought that Jocs had fallen out of her Mitchell but seeing it from this angle she didnt. But her transition to the mext element looks clunky and akward to me. Just my opinion.
@@amielawson8344 When the “others” express their stupid and ignorant opinions publicly, everyone has the right to comment on them. Id you don’t like it, make sure you keep your stupid opinions to yourself and save us the facepalms
@@leykimayri Way to show what type of person you are. The only face palms happening are from people watching how you are not capable of recognizing your own toxic behavior. Grow up some more before you use the internet because newsflash do you, it’s forever. Your future employers will be able to see all you do and say.
this video just shows what a crock of crap this talk about certain people being more "artistic" than others is. the biggest difference is that gadirova is longer in body and appears to have more flexibility. this is her advantage over someone like jocelyn. gadirova also has more presence
Yes. I noticed that taller gymnast or gymnast with longer arms and legs are called graceful yet shorter and more muscular gynmast like Simone and Jocelyn are not seen as artistic. Just body shaming haters . That's why they go nuts and hate when simone wins because she apparently does not have the 'right' body for the sport. These haters are still stuck in 1960s where skinny 😏👀 women used to dominate. They hate seeing strong beautiful women like simone and Jocelyn because to them it represents manliness instead of hard work and dedication. Now I do think Jocelyn can improve but the hate is too much. Poor girl.
Josc has got great landings, but her form in the air is horrible. Anything laid out makes me wince when I watch her. The landings are perfection, but her dance has zero extension or interest. I really like Josc, but I don't understand the pass that she's getting on her form. How did she get to this level without her form issues getting addressed?
She is very very tiny (4.8) and doesn't have hyperextension. Muscular for that little frame too. So even when she is fully extended it doesn't appear she is. I guess it is up to the judges what they see. Body type should not be a factor
People don’t seem to care about the fact her form falls apart in the air, as long as she sticks her passes she seems to be considered better than Jess. It also seems like standing and smiling for 10 minutes after each pass surpasses Jess’ constant, uninterrupted dance lol
I much prefer Gadirova's routine and execution. She's striking, and the choreography suits. The pink one is a bunch of hurried arm waving: awful choreography, and makes the gymnast seem dull.
@@leykimayriJade has improved a lot in the dance since she went to college I think. There's a bit more flow and better rhythm in her FX &BB now. Not quite so jerky & disconnected.
Are you old enough to remember Svetlana Bogenskya & Khokina? And Tatiana Gutsu? Loved that eras originality and artistic expression which is so missing today. And Lilly Podipayava?
lmao here come the ignorant americans unable to wrap their head around the fact that a sport named “artistic gymnastics” requires “artistry”. She’s getting deductions because of the lack of artistry in her choreo, the low chest on landings, the flexed feet, the feet separation, the body shape on the leaps etc etc. Yall are so loud yet so wrong please read the code of points before you go spreading your ignorance to public.
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Jocelyn’s been NAILING those landings!!! She’s so much fun to watch. Love the Gadirova’s too - this worlds is just an example of so much amazing gymnastics!!
Omg they are so similar! I feel like due to the code of points a lot of gymnasts are doing very similar routines on most of the apparatus
Wow I didn’t realize but they’re super similar in terms of their dance execution it’s kinda crazy Joscelyn got hit with a whole point, I would say in the dance elements she had one or two more static seconds but a point is insane in my opinion. Both great routines, Joscelyn’s gymnastic execution was better for sure but Gadirova’s dance was just a bit more dynamic.
Their dance elements are also quite different. You can see Jocelyn isn’t quite hitting the positions in her leaps and hops as well. For example, in her hip full she is bent over forwards with loose knees and just barely at horizontal with her leg.
Both of them bend their knee going into their tour-jete a bit, but Jess hits a better split shape
Super similar on terms of dance execution??? Jessica is so beautiful to watch joscelyn is like a chicken with no head dancing around the floor
similar on dance execution lmao wtf, Jess is clearly on another level as far as this comparison goes
@@jordijuliancasaban9039 ultimately that’s a matter of opinion, in my opinion Jessica’s dance was slightly better but I like the gymnastics from Joscelyn a bit more and I personally am not as interested in dance. Both are good routines.
@@jordijuliancasaban9039Jessica is beautiful to watch???????
Both doing great work and expressing different styles. They should feel very proud and I’m wishing them a great Worlds experience. 🎉
...you obviously don`t get the point...what about just comparing?
@@philipwendt9668no y’all just trying bash josc
.."you all..."?...why don`t you just leave your comments ...when you have got nothing to say? @@brenden6218
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I LOVE watching this sport! So thankful for the videos posted to YT. Great job ladies!!! All the best in the competition!!
I love watching Jocelyn. She is dynamic.
Joscelyn was PERFECTION!!! Both ladies are AWESOME❣️ So proud of y’all and for y’all!!! ❤️♥️❤️
all is identical with no one...just referring to the Laws of form (G.S. Brown)
This feels like what has happened with UB in the past few years- certain skills and connections are so favorably scored that routine compositions become fixed and repetitive. Gymnasts only focus on training these specific set of skills, leading to a LOT of nearly identical (at least in tumbling passes) routines. And in the end, both originality and choreography suffer; We’re in the era of “do the most difficult tumbling you possibly can, even if form and execution suffers as a result, then throw in some poses and call it dance”
Such an original comment
@@truthteller7891a comment as original as current routine composition
@@capriciousstudentNah. Your exact comment has been parroted since the induction of the open-ended CoP. Routines are definitely more original in this comparison.
I have to agree with your statement on how there is so little originality any more...go back to the 1970-90's to see how interesting and original a lot (not all of course) of routines were. The variety of mounts and dismounts alone was quite amazing. And the dance was far more varied as well. Go back and look at the routines of Khokina or Podaptava and you will see what I mean. Svetlana Bogemskya is another very original and beautiful gymnast. I wish that the CoP awarded artistry & originality as well as execution like they used to.
@margaretkinnaman8585 the requirements now leave little room for originality, yet they want originality. FIG is destroying this sport further with each quad and their horrible scoring decisions!
Except Jessica's form and dance is waaaay better!
Bravo 👏 todas las chicas hacen su esfuerzo . 💝💖💕❤️
Jessica is so beautiful to watch and knows how to dance Joscelyn is like a chicken with no head dancind on the floor, kind of like a school show! The tumbling is so good in both cases!!
I hope Josc gets in the finals and even wins a medal.
I don't think she'll outscore her teammates for one thing to even make the finals. And she has a very low execution score which doesn't bode well for a medal.
The only medal she’ll be getting is the team one
I don't.
Eww, why would you hope she'll medal in ARTISTIC gymnastics?
@@Ian.D.She will be outscored by Simone and Shilease and since there's a 2 pet country limit it isn't happening. And I just don't think her execution is all that great. She has flexed feet as well as crossed feet on so many on her tumbling runs and her knees are often soft or even slightly flexed and she falls out of her Mitchell more often then not. I think they will only use her in the vault in team finals. I think Leanne will go up on FX with Simone and Shilease. And it will be either Shilease, Simone and Skye on BB or Leanne, Simone & Shilease on BB. UB I have no idea.
Josc>>>>>>>
INCREDIBLE!😂😂😂
Roberson's acrobatic execution is clearly much better than Gadirova's. Mitchel is also better.
not really
@@thejaredcarl even the judges have my back🙌
Nope, sorry, her routine isn't in the same time zone as the concept of "artistic". However she would make an above average tumbling gymnast, so she has that going for her
@@thejaredcarl well that aged well didn’t it?
But Josc fell out of her Mitchell like most gymnasts do, which is one reason I hate that element.
Joscelyn has so much spunk and personality
Both good. I think the girl in the pink is best. 👍
Better
My gurl Joscelyn brought it! ❤
I don't get the start values
Strange… Josc has been doing this routine for nearly a year.
This is also Gadirova’s floor routine from last years worlds 🤷🏽♀️
@@najhemmshe didnt do a moors last year
@@_padfoot ahh that’s right.
@@_padfootso shes done an upgrade 😂😂 dont see your problem at all
@@najhemmno it’s not. Stop lying
A execução da Jocelyn é visivelmente melhor
Identical? I saw PLENTY of differences, and not just in the transition moves....
It's not like everyone can do a Moors though.
Joscelyn ate that up
She had one more pass than the Brit
Gymnastics today is so boring that it's totally possible it being a pure coincidence...
exactly. the COP hasn't changed enough from quad to quad and at this point, coaches and gymnasts have probably figured out how to optimize it. that's why all the beam routines are so boring to watch too.
Boring in the context of all of the gymnasts are using the same skills and combinations to take advantage of the new code...For sureI agree 100% Yet at the same time , it's soo crazy exciting difficulty wise. Lots of gymnasts sre starting to try to up the difficulty . I wish the FIG would see this and figure out a way to reallychange the game . . take caps of of certain elements as well. But they need to figure out a way to let coaches and gymnasts be more creative
@@loveanimalsmost2134 i think it was really exciting when very difficult elements and combinations started to being performed for the first time in the 80's and 90's. Today, top gymnasts are using most of these same difficult elements.
I agree that it's becoming so similar that after you've seen a couple of routines, You've already seen them all because they are so much alike. Go back the the 1970-1990 and see the variety of mounts, dismounts and chorography to see real artistry. I remember Svetlana Bogenskya, Podipayava, and Khokina and their incredibly beautiful routines. And Tatiana Gutsu. I know I butchered the names, sorry
I always thought that her legs do t stretch all the way straight but not being mean but i think shes bull legged. I noticed her run down the vault runway. I do like her routine though and she is super powerful❤
Are we really going to post about the gymnasts' anatomy? Haven't we moved past that in 2023?? SMH. You ARE being mean.
@@MNP208I think this poster is talking about her technique, specifically her bent knees and that perhaps she can’t full straighten her legs. It’s smth she has worked on and has definitely gotten better over this season. I think what this side by side shows is that both gymnasts really on power and their routines really highlights their strengths. Cool video!
@MNP208 It's just an observation, which I believe is why her legs LOOK like they are not fully extended but are! Not being mean, I have the same type. Get over it!
We’re used to seeing hyperextension in gymnastics so that may be why she doesn’t look like she has straight legs when she does. She seems to have a more normal range of motion versus most other gymnasts. Source: I have a genetic condition where hyper-extensible joints is a main characteristic
@elizabethr.9359 Well said and explained. Thank you.
They are similar but not identical
Very obvious that Gadirova is the better dancer and has better musicality hers is the better routine.
Then she should go do dancing as a professional. Executing the tumbling passes better should always trump “dancing” better. The ridiculousness of saying someone is more artistic and has better musicality (subjective much) is so annoying.
@@pedropelaez I am so sorry your opinion is the only one that matters. Grow up and learn to respect other points of view otherwise be silent. Gymnasts who can do dance and gymnastics trump those who cannot. If you are so annoyed by a subjective opinion you should not be watching gymnastics.
@@U2BearCat oh sweetie, bless your heart. I love that you actually believe people have to respect people’s opinions no matter how ridiculous they are. Nice try though.
@@pedropelaeznope U2Bearcat is right. You have the attitude of a 7th grade mean girl queen bee. News flash, this isn't middle school... there's room for more then one opinion here. And while I get you're a Josc fan girl, she has faults too. Flexed/crossed feet, soft knees, not stretched in her layouts....but she is fun to watch and I do like her personality that shines through in her routines.
@@pedropelaez If you are so annoyed by a subjective opinion you should not be watching gymnastics. Troll much, of course you do.
Wow this really highlights the difference in artistry and dance. Gadirova never stops moving. Joscelyn is far more static.
B s
But look at the quality of Joscelyn's landings and her smiling ;-)
I disagree. Jocelyn nailed that wolf turn. Her landings were much better too. That's where they score points.
@@MNP208 I was merely commenting on the dancing. Nothing else. I agree her landings are definitely better.
Nah they both have some dead moments in their choreo
And i had thought that Jocs had fallen out of her Mitchell but seeing it from this angle she didnt. But her transition to the mext element looks clunky and akward to me. Just my opinion.
Both routines are fantastic- however personally, I prefer the overall presentation of Gadirova and feel she is more artistic than pure power
Love Jessica ballet and artistry
Y’all don’t even know what the hell ballet is. No way you are calling Jess’s routine “ballet”. I have to laugh at your stupidity! 😂
@@tambam6744It takes one to recognise one, right? Hahaha take that 7.4 E-score and put it deep in your αss, troll 😂
@@tambam6744Also get that 8.2 E-score from Jess who proved she can actually even threaten queen Simone and defend her title, haha!
what ballet? what artistry? you folks are delusional.
@@orangemoonglows2692 There isn’t any ballet but the artistry is right spot on 100% based on what the CoP asks. I suggest you study the CoP
Except that Joscelyn is stronger! She is so fun to watch!
Fun= Boring
@@lonelyhorse5313 Well, Simone is fun to watch too and definitely not boring!
@@MNP208Biles routine is boring, her choreo is literally the same every single time, she just changes the music but everything else is the same
Jocelyn is much better constantly moving and sticks her landings, Jessica rests too much and doesn't stick her landings!!
For ignorant idiots like you, lol. Execution isn’t just landing, Joscelyn has TONS of execution problems
@@leykimayriName calling is not necessary and speaks to your character. Others are allowed opinions and if you disagree you can just keep scrolling.
@@amielawson8344 When the “others” express their stupid and ignorant opinions publicly, everyone has the right to comment on them. Id you don’t like it, make sure you keep your stupid opinions to yourself and save us the facepalms
@@leykimayri Way to show what type of person you are. The only face palms happening are from people watching how you are not capable of recognizing your own toxic behavior. Grow up some more before you use the internet because newsflash do you, it’s forever. Your future employers will be able to see all you do and say.
@@amielawson8344 Did you just experience a stroke before writing that? LoL!
LMAO
this video just shows what a crock of crap this talk about certain people being more "artistic" than others is. the biggest difference is that gadirova is longer in body and appears to have more flexibility. this is her advantage over someone like jocelyn. gadirova also has more presence
Yes. I noticed that taller gymnast or gymnast with longer arms and legs are called graceful yet shorter and more muscular gynmast like Simone and Jocelyn are not seen as artistic. Just body shaming haters . That's why they go nuts and hate when simone wins because she apparently does not have the 'right' body for the sport. These haters are still stuck in 1960s where skinny 😏👀 women used to dominate. They hate seeing strong beautiful women like simone and Jocelyn because to them it represents manliness instead of hard work and dedication. Now I do think Jocelyn can improve but the hate is too much. Poor girl.
gymnasts with more flexibility attracting higher scores? What a concept
Jessica still Pikes
Joscelyn pikes and tucks lmao
I don’t think this is a fair compassion because it’s using josc floor music
Josc has got great landings, but her form in the air is horrible. Anything laid out makes me wince when I watch her. The landings are perfection, but her dance has zero extension or interest. I really like Josc, but I don't understand the pass that she's getting on her form. How did she get to this level without her form issues getting addressed?
There have been SO many high level gymnasts with worse tumbling technique than her. It is maybe average at the absolute worst
She is very very tiny (4.8) and doesn't have hyperextension. Muscular for that little frame too. So even when she is fully extended it doesn't appear she is. I guess it is up to the judges what they see. Body type should not be a factor
People don’t seem to care about the fact her form falls apart in the air, as long as she sticks her passes she seems to be considered better than Jess. It also seems like standing and smiling for 10 minutes after each pass surpasses Jess’ constant, uninterrupted dance lol
A competition of who has the uglier wolf turn.
Gardirova is so overrated.
So is joscelyn
@lonelyhorse5313 NO one is as overscored and overrated at this time than Gadirova! It's BLATANT
she is not, she just isn't on her high anymore
Please be mindful they're young girls. They might see your post. Don't do that.
lmao rich coming from an American @@jojox9791
I much prefer Gadirova's routine and execution. She's striking, and the choreography suits. The pink one is a bunch of hurried arm waving: awful choreography, and makes the gymnast seem dull.
Wow both of them are equally boring
joc is not a pretty gymnast 😵💫 the form, legs/knees bent and the dancing reminds me of jade so robotic
Jade is better she reminds more of Skinner before she went to college
@@leykimayriJade has improved a lot in the dance since she went to college I think. There's a bit more flow and better rhythm in her FX &BB now. Not quite so jerky & disconnected.
I miss Aliya mustafina watching all these boring floor performances
Are you old enough to remember Svetlana Bogenskya & Khokina? And Tatiana Gutsu? Loved that eras originality and artistic expression which is so missing today. And Lilly Podipayava?
@@margaretkinnaman8585 yeah, I even liked American routines from London way more, no I feel like I’m bored during it
But you are forgetting, Joscelyn gets an automatic 1.2 deduction because she is American....
What??
@@aimeesauvage8034 Ikr this isn’t making sense, if anything, Americans are usually overscored (no hate just stating opinion)
lmao here come the ignorant americans unable to wrap their head around the fact that a sport named “artistic gymnastics” requires “artistry”. She’s getting deductions because of the lack of artistry in her choreo, the low chest on landings, the flexed feet, the feet separation, the body shape on the leaps etc etc. Yall are so loud yet so wrong please read the code of points before you go spreading your ignorance to public.
LOL. AMERICANS ARE OVERSCORED, GIRL
@@jhere289In recent years Americans are so underscored ,just watch 2022 worlds you will know about it😶