How To Properly Backfill For Concrete Pavers (DIY)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2022
- This video will show you how to properly prepare the base for concrete pavers.
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Damn. Ben Affleck is really, really good at playing a hardscaper. Totally believable. Total Oscar Nod.
🤣 Nice! ✌
Same thought!!! Ben Affleck doppelgänger 💯
FINALLY, a landscaper that does it correctly. I have watched a lot of paver install videos and gotta say yours is probably the best procedure for ensuring a long lasting durable job. I use 5/8-3/4" crushed because there is much less labor required to install it. Road grade gravel requires multiple layers and much more labor to install as a base. Your use of the landscape fabric is much appreciated. Excellent procedure.
Thank you very much! This method is far more effective and efficient than the traditional dense grade / sand method. But yes, the fabric is key in my opinion. I push this base prep method a lot on my channel, it is the most important part to a quality install. ✌
thank you christian for taken your time explaining slope something I've been struggling watching other TH-cam videos trying to figure out once again thank you
No problem, glad it was helpful for you! ✌
Omg best video on this hands down and I have watched a ton of these videos! What sets yours apart is thoroughly explaining the grading process and the line level details AND the paver base application and how to do it the correct way. The title you chose is absolutely correct!
Thank you!
Thank you so much for the feedback, I'm glad it was helpful! I work in Massachusetts where we have a lot of Freeze / Thaw cycles in the winter. This is the best backfilling technique to allow water to permeate into the sub soils, preventing any shifting or sinking in the future. Thanks again! ✌
Love watching you work and explain. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with everyone. Looking forward to the next one on this project.
Thank you, I really enjoy the work and also making the videos. I appreciate the feedback and there is plenty more videos to come!✌
I am going to put up a pergola soon and I have been watching paver videos. I see to do this right is for me to let someone else do it. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for all of the videos! They have been super helpful in planning a few projects I'm doing around the house. Keep up the good work!
Awesome! Thank you, glad you like them! ✌
Well your channel gets the official “I hit like before I even watch it” status lol. Keep em coming!
😂✌ Nice, I'm glad to hear it brother! Plenty more videos to come!
@@TheChristianHardscaper well deserved.
I couldn't agree more.
Great work, always like seeing work done properly. Cannot wait to see the final product. 👍
Thanks for the support! ✌
Big thank you for explaining the need to drop rock 1st to fill in voids, then fabric, then rock, then fine rock. I now know why the artificial turf I laid down is bumpy. Gotta do it right at the start or gonna have problems down the line. Thank you!
That is a very important thing in my opinion, most guys don't do it... ✌
Best video on the topic. You explained all of the things that nobody else does and the why which is what I was after. I'm about to install a shed in my backyard and I don't want to do all that work just to be ripping it out to do it right 3 years from now. Thanks dude!
Glad to hear it, it is all about the base prep. This method will work excellent for your shed pad ✌
Thanks for the explanation on compacting stone before fabric. I’ve never heard this and it makes a ton of sense
My pleasure, it is very important in my opinion. ✌
Thank you for that bubble 1/8th pitch explanation.
My pleasure! ✌
Thank you for this video and the explanations and the how to’s. Now I feel like I can do this on my own.
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad they are helpful! ✌
Hi great video. I’m from Manchester UK and found the explanation of the lines and spirit levels really helpful. . Thanks again and keep it coming 👍
Thanks for the feedback from all the way over there! I'm glad they are reaching that far, it's cool connecting like that. God bless ✌
Love that you are doing it by yourself w machine.
I have always worked either alone or with a very small crew, so learning how to operate equipment was key in my career ✌
Im getting my open grade base today. I got ss5 fabric. Following all your steps.. going to pick up some geogrid today too
Sweet! Good luck, this method will not fail you. ✌
Great video. Been watching quite a bit because I'm going to be tackling my first ever front walkway. It's 75 sq ft and I'm nervous since I've never done this before. Just want to make sure I get the base layer done correctly. Thanks for your informative video!
That's awesome man, this is the best way to prep for any paver install. No matter the soil type, where you live, doesn't matter. Good luck with your project! ✌
Like your methods and thinking ... its always about drainage and base prep from the get go
Thank you, drainage is key for sure.
Bennie is chill... thanks for the pro tips my friend
No problem brother, He certainly is!
Keep up the good work. Good explanations of your plans and how you achieve your work and eventually with a nice finished product.
Thank you, just trying to explain my thought process behind these jobs in these videos. My whole career has been spent looking through TH-cam for Hardscape content, not much out there… ✌🏻
You are the best thanks from east coast 🇨🇦❤️🛎
Thank you, from Massachusetts ✌
Hi Christian, as an old person who’s dad was always in construction then teaching my 4 brothers the trade as well
Very nice to hear, thanks for the comment ✌
Great video man! Learned quite a bit since Im zero experience first time trying to install a 4 x 8 pool pad made of pavers, wont get any foot traffic but the pool heater weighs 280 lbs, so gotta make sure even settling! The 8th bubble lesson was great!!!!
Glad to hear it brother! Thanks for the feedback, it is very cool hearing from viewers like yourself who found me because of the need for this info. Good luck on the project, it will leave you thinking if many more ideas.... 🤣✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper are you in New Hampshire
Excellent work ! Thank you for showing us your beautiful job it helps me a lot I am learning ! I will recommend you !
Thank you! I'm glad it is helpful ✌
best explanation for me,i will never use sand again on pavers
Glad to hear it, this method will not fail you! ✌
Finishing up 600 sq ft with sitting wall and firepit, 2 levels. Thanks to you. Man this is a lot of work😅. But I will continue to watch channel. Thanks again
That's awesome, congratulations! sounds like a sweet area to chill out on. It sure is a lot of work, but totally worth it when you can step back and look at what you built... ✌
Thank you. Great information
My pleasure ✌
Love the videos brother.👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks man!
Very professional and knowledgeable information 🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you very much, im glad it is helpful! ✌🏻
Thank you for this video 👍
No problem ✌
Thank you for this
My pleasure!
Nice work. I've been enjoying your videos the past few weeks. You've helped me figure out a few projects I have planned. One suggestion coming from a maintenance gardener (the guys that have to look after the property for years and years after you're gone =P), please lay down some heavy duty poly boards (ground protection mats) where you're driving the machinery over the grass. Compacting the soil in those areas with the bobcat tread will take a few seasons of aeration to fix properly. Most property owners will blame us for the poor turf performance in those areas and expect us to snap our fingers and magically make it better.
Thanks for the great feedback! I totally understand what you mean, but unfortunately it is not always feasible to lay down protection. Especially the poly boards.... A 40 ft stretch would take like $2500 - $3500 worth of boards. Sometimes we are 60 - 100 feet away, so to cover that area would be a very expensive investment, even with plywood.... Nevermind the time spent moving them around and hauling them from job to job. I try my best to keep turf damage down to a minimum and always do my best to re establish any damaged area. It wont always be perfect but that's the price you pay sometimes for construction. Tough problem without a doubt though, I hear you ✌
those machines are so handy, i really want one
They are super handy bro. I rent this one a lot. Hopefully going to buy a machine of my own at some point
@The Christian Hardscaper im going to rent one too this year, b4 i buy a bobcat, i may go w a mt100
@@GRUBB-MUDD Not a bad idea, test it out before you pull the trigger on a skid
@@TheChristianHardscaper exactly, those things r like a Swiss army knifw
Great job.
Thank you
Thank you for taking the time to post and explain in the way that you do. Your service is very helpful and educational.
Do you have a video or plan to post of video of preparing base for a driveway?
No problem, glad you enjoy it and that it’s helpful. As far as a video on driveway prep for pavers, I know how to do it and I can’t wait to sell a paver driveway so that I can make a video on it ✌🏻
Part 2 .. lol.. Sorry, I accidentally touched the reply button and it won’t let me edit or delete. (Don’t ask..lol) But anyway, do you or have you considered teaching other young ppl? Theres always a huge need as you know for everything to do with and around homes. I know you’re young yourself but maybe in the future if you haven’t yet.
Everyone else can compliment you on your work so I won’t bore you with that but wanted to say you truly are a very hard working good and kind person with a wonderful soul. You have very special and well thought out skills and generous to share it all with us. We are all blessed to have you on this earth. Thank you for all you do.
No problem at all, I really appreciate the feedback. I haven't really thought about shifting to teaching yet. Maybe someday when I am older but I would like to get another 10-15 years of experience before I get into anything like that. I have much more I want to learn in my career. But I love sharing what I know already here on TH-cam and I love hearing from people who have built their own projects based on my videos, that feels really good.... Thank you for your very kind words, comments like this really motivate me to keep going. God Bless! ✌
Great job amigo!
Thank you very much!
Wish you were in Delaware! Great work and attention to detail.
Thank you! ✌
Big job , a lot of material,
Definitely slightly larger than most patios. It was a very fun install, came out mint! The pavers having wavy joint lines really added a lot of character. ✌
Thank you
No problem!
Thanks my guy 🙏🏾great content and info so I can be more efficient 💯I'm down here on the Eastern Shore of Maryland✊🏾instant sub🎯
No problem man! glad you like it, thanks for the support ✌
And subscribed. Thank you.
Sweet, thank you!
Hi, Kyle. Thanks for the awesome videos. I am so happy that I found you before I start some serious work around my house. Your videos are the best I've found on youtube. I would definitely follow your methods for my pavers. I was wondering how differently you do the base prepwork for concrete driveway?
Hey there, my pleasure! Glad you found the videos helpful. I would do the same base prep for poured concrete, only thing extra would be a layer of geo grid in the middle of the base stone for extra stability. ✌
Nice video Christian! Have you ever try the paver base panel like Brock?
Wish I had a job like this
I love everything about this work. Very fun! ✌
Look tired today moreover you are the best❤
It was a long day with a few long days before it too... LOL ✌
Do you wet the sub base before you compact it with the plate compactor? Thanks, love your videos!
Hi! Thank You so much for your video! Your videos are one of the best on TH-cam. I am planning in doing that to my soil. I think it is clay for the most part but not sure. Anyways, my question is: I see you compacted the soil before the 1in. of 3/4 gravel, but I don't have the vehicle you used to compact it. What do you recommend in that case? Also, I've heard that laying mortar S will help the soil to permeate the water faster. Would you recommend adding that as well? Thanks in advance for your answer! :)
No problem, if you don’t have a plate compactor like I do. You should use a hand tamper to compact. And I would definitely not recommend adding mortar to the soil. Even in heavy clay soils, this exact method from this video is all you need to do for a very long lasting project ✌🏻
Thank you for the great teaching videos. I think I have watched everything you have produced. You guys are by far the best on You Tube! Question: I’m going to attempt my first patio ever off my back deck, the patio will be 20x24. There is a staircase off the deck I don’t think it’s possible to remove the staircase to place pavers under. Is it ok to just place pavers on both sides and front and continue from there? Benny the strong silent type, a good partner to Ben Affleck. Thanks gentlemen.
No problem at all thank you for the support! You certainly can just lay the pavers in front of and on the sides of the step. That is what I always do when building around existing wooden steps.
Benny is the strong silent type without a doubt, I couldn't ask for a better Co Star... 🤣✌
Good job, with all that base and product needed before pavers and time?
Cost difference between concrete stamping on this job that look like pavers and doing this project plus time? Same formula for materials?
Nice work bye the way
When you start layering stone. Do you check level as you go? Maybe I did do catch that. But I’d think you’d need to check level constantly?
Thank you Christian for your AWESOME tutorials!!!
You have encouraged me to start my front patio.
May I ask where I can buy geotextile GF5 fabrics?
Can I use 4oz any brand geotextile ?
No problem at all, that sounds sweet! I buy the fabric from a couple local supply stores in my area. I would recommend just looking around your area at landscape / masonry supply stores. And yes, any brand will be fine ✌
Love your content. Would like to see you do a herringbone pattern.
Thank you, not many people request the Herringbone but I love it. Very cool pattern but needs to be a certain application... ✌
I'm doing a paver driveway 2300 sq feet. Wish you were closer, I would have hired you. Love your work, attitude and Benny ! Southern Cali is my home, working in 100 degree weather now, hot hot hot.....@@TheChristianHardscaper
How'd you learn all the hardscape skills/trade? did you go to a school, or apprenticeship, diy until confident? incredible work and detailed videos, looking forward to following more. thanks again
I have been in the landscape/hardscape field since I was 12. My family had a landscape business and my dad worked in equipment rentals. He taught me how to operate skid steers and mini excavators when I was very young. As I got older I worked for a few different companies and always paid attention and took every opportunity to be on a Hardscape job I could. It’s my true passion. Other than that, just kept learning on every job. Also, a lot of TH-cam watching….. which lead me to start my channel because for years I searched TH-cam for good hardscape channels, not many out there.. ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thanks for following up - keep up the great work along with videos.
I was trying to learn from another one of your videos on poly sand. I'm doing a 14x14' simple paver patio - it's okay to use hand tamp for the polymeric sand? Is there a special cover similar for plate compactor that won't crack/shatter the pavers? Or plain tamp is sufficient?
Thanks again man.
No problem, and you certainly can just hand tamp the pavers. If you are worried about cracking them, any kind of plywood or rubber mat will help absorb the impact. just make sure whatever you use is completely dry ✌
What do you recommend as far as plate compactors?
Would you recommend routing the drainage from a downspout as a "french drain", or can I route it under the patio using PVC pipe and encase the pipe in the 3/4 crushed rock until it reaches the outside of the patio?
Very nice informative video. It is a reading a good story and seeing a finished result at end of the series. I don't know about the other viewers but I find these videos very relaxing and I fall asleep to your videos. Not that the videos are boring, it is not, very good DIY info on these videos, it is just very relaxing seeing job well done step by step. Couple of things could help with the relaxation. Cut out the saw noise when putting down pavers in your other video, the noise is very grating. ALso pick songs that are jazzy verses rock, too much heavy metal in rock music. That would help those viewers like me looking for a good restful sleep or nap after a long hard day. Just a suggestion. Your videos are pretty good already.
Thank you, I really appreciate the feedback! I have realized the saw noises and overall poor sound equalization on most of my early videos. I did not know as much about the editing as I do now and TH-cam does not allow you to re-edit that kind of thing.... I think I am getting better with the audio balancing with my new videos I think. I have also noticed the more mellow music pairs with this style video better than rock. But thanks again for the feedback, it helps me a lot. ✌
great video! we have a really narrow yard with lots of plants and want to do a 3' walkway. is this bobcat mt 100 the smallest excavator out there? Or do you know of something narrower? Hoping not to hand dig. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! The MT 100 is not the smallest mini skid steer, there are smaller ones out there. I would look around at a few rental places in your area to see what they have. ✌
Do you use a lazer level to shoot your grade?
Great video! Do you still use polymeric sand on an open grade system?
Thank you, and yes we do ✌
Everytime I watch your videos I want to go watch Good Will Hunting... Great work as always.
😂 Nice! LOL thank you!
So are the only times you compact for a patio when you put an inch or so of 3/4 stone on the subsoil and then when you polymeric sand the finished patio? I think you said to account for an 1/8th of an inch of compaction with the pavers as well right? Thanks for any help on this, looking to do my first bigger patio here soon!
You got it, some people compact the 3/4 stone once it gets to correct height but it is not mandatory for light foot traffic installs. I do sometimes depending on the sub soils that I am dealing with. Good luck with the project brother! ✌
Is this method just for clay soil, or will it work with sandy soil? Thank you for the videos and info!! :)
I use this method for every install in every soil condition. It works especially good for sandy soils. It stabilizes it and allows water to permeate down into those sandy subsoils quickly, leaving you with a project that is always dry. That’s how you get an install to last a very long time, keep the material dry… ✌🏻
Let me see if I got the open grade base down? 1) 1-2 inches of 3/4" clean stone compacted on excavated dirt 2) woven geotextile fabric 3) 6-7 inches of 3/4" clean (don''t compact) 4) 1 inch of chip stone (by me this would 1/4" clean) 5) pavers 6) polymeric 7) concrete edging per your other video...Did I get it?!
Heck yeah, you got it down perfect. But if you have good subsoil, you will only need 4-5 inches of base stone on top of the fabric and it doesn’t hurt to compact that before chip stone. ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper we got clay soil here that doesn't drain well so I guess 6-7 inches above textile or maybe overkill? Many thanks your channel is the reason I'm doing it DYI
Another nice video. Your work is second to none. You’re a very hardworking dude. Wish Benny would do more. Looks like you give him “easy” jobs lol. By the way, where/ did you learn to do pavers?
Thank you, Benny definitely earns his $$$ 😂. I learned pavers from working at multiple landscape construction companies. Worked beside some very good people and learned everything I could from them. Also, a lot of TH-cam!!! LOL That is what motivated me to make this channel. I searched up and down for a good hardscape channel to learn from. Found a couple that I enjoyed but even then, they were not doing things the way I would do them. So started filming jobs last year and started the channel this past January. The results are very good so far, could not be happier! ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper you deserve all success that is coming to you. Do you have any tips on how to get customers for someone trying to work for themselves? I dint have much experience in hardscaping but a lot of experience in landscaping. At some point I’d love to master small resting walls and patios. That’s the bread and butter services I’d love to offer. Patios look like a lot of work, but fun. It’s hard NOT to appreciate the end result.
The best way to get that type of work is to approach hardscape material providers in your area. Then you need to sell yourself to them. Most customers call local material providers for references. A lot of my work comes from that. But, you need to have solid work under your belt, because they will not refer you for big jobs until they know you can handle them. You can start there though. Approach some of them and tell them your story. You are starting out and want to find some small projects to do for people. Believe it or not, the small ones are easy for you to find because the bigger companies just don't have time in their schedule to take on small profit jobs. Determination and motivation, that is what it takes. ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper awesome. I didn’t know that. That’s a great idea. Thanks for the tip!
I wish we had chip stone in Texas
You might, but it may take a few phone calls to some different supply / aggregate yards.
What about paving for the weight of a hot tub?
Such a nice patio, I bet the homeowner wishes they would have removed that maintenance nightmare of a deck and just done the whole thing as a patio with steps
Thank you, that would have been really cool if they did 👌
I am from Washington state and its difficult to find the 3/4 clean, however they do have the 5/8 clean. I ordered the 5/8 clean for my base fill and will follow your method for the base prep.
I figure its relatively the same size. The chip stone is available in some places so was able to get the 3/8 clean for that part. Thanks for such an informative video
Thanks for the feedback, the 5/8 clean will be just fine. I'm glad the videos were helpful, good luck on your project! ✌
What’s the cost difference between open grade base v road base and sand? I’d love to follow what your doing for my project but looks like it would add a lot of cost… trying to weigh the pros and cons.
It’s actually very comparable. We call the road base your talking about “Dense Grade” and most material providers sell the 3/4 clean crushed for a couple dollars more than the dense grade. Even if the 3/4 is a little more money, it is totally worth it. Gravel and sand installs just don’t hold up over time…✌🏻
Roughly how long does this last? A decade at least? Just curious, i know this is affected by location, but what's a good guesstimate?
Brother you teach me a lot. How do I lay the base down at a consistent height before I lay the screeeding? Im stuck on how to do this 🤦♂️
Hey man, I get my base to proper height by raking/grading it close by eyes and strings. Then I use the screed pipes to lay them out and check the grade, and also the top of paver height. You can do most of your height measurements by using those screed pipes. ✌🏻
8-12 dig below grade.
This accounts for 6-8" base rock of (clean 3/4,) 1" (clean 3/8) chip stone, plus 2-3/8" paver.
6-8" base rock (compacted)+ 1" chip stone + 2-3/8" paver= 9 3/8 to 11 3/8, thank you
3 to 4 inches base stone compact with fabric on top, then add base stone over...
Yes sir, you got it! ✌
Shouldn' you be using the non woven fabric instead of the woven ? for better drainage ?
My backyard is just dirt and lots of clay. I got it rough graded so it is fairly level. Hi there is a few dips where water pools. Do I have to make the sub base perfectly level or sloped ? Or do I just do that with the gravel base ?
We try to get our sub base decently smooth and sloped away from any structures. Because remember, the main idea is to get any surface water down into the sub soil and away from the house as quickly as possible so that it can permeate into the ground. If the subsoil is sloped towards your house, than the water will want to permeate into the ground closer to your house.
@@TheChristianHardscaper Awesome thanks a bunch and great video!
Would you use crush for a driveway or roadbase?
I would definitely use the 3/4 crushed but with a few changes in the technique, like excavating deeper, laying geogrid in a few different layers of the backfilled stone and compact in lifts of 4-5 inches to make sure the stone is tight and can hold vehicular traffic. ✌
Lovely video! just wondering if I could use a hand tamper to tamp the base layer? My project area doesn’t have space to move a plate compactor in and out.
Thank you, and yes, you certainly can! Hand tampers for smaller applications are no problem at all. Good luck with your project ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks for the advice. It’s a 130 sqft application, would that be ideal?
@@mervindsouza9816 It may take longer than using a plate compactor but definitely possible
The 3/8 crushed is it okey to use on a 1.57 H x 24 L x 24&12 W concrete paver or do I need to use sand?
It certainly is ok to use for that size paver, better than sand without a doubt.
Awesome videos! Does the 1-2 inch you use to strengthen the subsoil count as part of you base height? On another topic...can you move your clay subsoil to fill places where you have over-dug (i.e take from high spots to fill low spots)? Thanks for answering all these questions!
Thank you! And yes, the 1-2 inches on the subsoil does count as base height. And yes you can use the soil to fill low spots but be sure to compact them well after. ✌🏻
Is it ok to use a 5/8 clean crushed stone ? Seems to be easier to get than 3/4.
5/8 stone will work just fine 👍🏻
Great stuff. Thx. Quick question: your fabric looks to be woven. I’m doing a DIY patio and am following your instructions. Am I okay to use non woven fabric? My patio is bordered on three sides by a concrete block wall. I was thinking I needed more drainage. I appreciate it!
No problem. You can use non woven if you would like, the woven provides more stabilization but in your situation the base material should be held into place by the walls. That being said, I have not had any drainage issues with this woven fabric on over 120 installs. So I think you will be fine either way but the non woven will allow more water through ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper you’re the man. Thanks!
When you compact it. How do you get it so level? Or do you not worry about that? We are putting a hot tub on ours. Should we compact both levels? Also we have limestone in NY and if I can't get chip stone what do you recommend we use? Can we use Pea Stone?
It doesn’t have to be perfectly level but you want to make sure it is well compacted into the sub soil. If you want to compact more in the spot of the hot tub, it will only help. And is you can’t find the chip stone, find the smallest “clean crushed stone” you can. Pea stone is typically round, you want crushed stone so all the angular stones lock together. Most stone places will have 3/8 inch clean crushed stone, if not, use the smallest you can find. Good luck on the project ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper Great. So do you use line levels to kind of get the sub base pitched correctly? And I think I can get crushed limestone at 3/8 inch. That will work. You are awesome at this. I wish. you lived in NY. LOL... Pavers LOOK WAY BETTER THAN CONCRETE!
sorry for the late response, a line level and string is a great way to gauge your sub-base. Crushed limestone will work and I totally agree that pavers look far better than concrete. thanks for your support!
Do you consider patios with grills, fire pits and seating areas as foot traffic or would you compact after the fabric for those areas? Thanks for the help!
I think and kind of vertical structure you are building should be compacted well to be safe. With that being said, This project has been in for 3 years now with no sinking or shifting... The compacting of 3/4 with less than 6" can be a highly debatable topic because it has a 98% compaction rating up to 6" just be being spread out. But I always say, compacting the 4-6" lift will certainly never hurt anything.
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thanks man!
Hey man, I’m following your method. Unfortunately I made the mistake of putting down/compacting 2-3 inches of rock prior to fabric. My fabric hadn’t came in yet. Did I screw up bad?
Hey man, I think you will be fine. As long as it is compacted well, should be ok. ✌
Hey nice video again ! Would you always use the same backfilling even in a sandy soil ? I mean real sand and a lot I am in the sand almost 100 percent around my house. I am wondering if it would be worthing it in that kind of soil or is there a better way wich would save me time and money?
Thanks! And I would absolutely use this technique in a very sandy soil condition. Just be sure to excavate at least 8 inches and follow the steps in this video, it will not fail you✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper Good thank you! Man every time I called a stone yard for a quote they told me I should use stone dust instead with 0-3/4. I have been told that 3/4 crushed would shift with 1/4 on top?
There are a lot of people stuck in old ways. It is the classic " You can't teach old dogs new tricks " I have used this system on over 70 installs and it is far superior to stone dust or sand. The 1/4 - 3/8 clean crushed stone is the best paver bedding material you can use (in my opinion) It locks into the 3/4 base and stays solid. And the most important part of using clean stone on the base and bedding, is to allow water to flow freely through it. Stone dust and sand are like a sponge for water....
@@TheChristianHardscaper yeah I think you are right! I am receiving my shifting 3/4 stone tomorrow lol. Does this system make a big difference for bugs and grass too vs sand ? Thanks 🤙
@@jonathanl5316 Sweet! and it certainly does. When there is nothing but stone, not much will grow and there is nothing for the bugs to live on so not as many of those either. ✌
One question. Which Gator fabric are you using in this video?
We use (SRW Products) geotextile fabric called (SS5). I believe the gator fabric version is called (GF5)
Wow Batman does construction work
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What is the purpose of the plastic liner? I thought you wanted any moisture to drain in the subsoil?
It is called (Woven Geotextile Fabric) It is strips of plastic woven together so that water can still travel through it while keeping the soil from migrating into the clean base stone. ✌
Hi, clarification please. If you dig a hole in clay soil and fill it with open grade base, won't that create a pond underneath your pavers? Are there some situations where a conventional base may be needed?
Thanks!
No, not true. Clay does make it take far longer for water to permeate through, but not impossible. Remember, all that happens with rain water is it permeates into the subsoils unless it is diverted to sewer drains. Other than that, all water finds it’s way into the subsoils of the ground. If you dig a hole in clay and fill it with open grade base, you have made that hole the most permeable spot in your yard. You will never create a drainage problem by using open grade base, only help it. The traditional method still takes on water, the problem is that the fines in the gravel hold onto the moisture like a sponge, causing sinking / shifting with heavy rain and freeze / thaw cycles through the winter. ✌🏻
Great explanation, thanks
I've done two installs this summer using the open grade base since I started watching your videos, and I have to say, I love it. Just need some encouragement as I transition from the traditional method after so many years and friends in the industry question why I made the switch 🤣
Thanks and best of luck to you!
John
No problem at all, glad to hear you made the switch and are enjoying it! I'm telling you, you will never go back..... ✌
Hey there, great content! Thank you for all of your tips! Quick qustion for you. I am preparing to do a paver project (raised patio) at my home and have a pretty heavy slope towards my fence. I am planning to do a 7" step down from my driveway at the top end to minimize the height of the patio & retaining wall at the fence level. How much base is to much? Currently we are at subgrade and have 16-18" to top of paver along the fence. Any help would really be appreciated. 🙏
Thank you very much! That sounds like a very cool project. As far as how much base is to much? As long as you excavate the grass and top soil from all the areas and backfill with the technique I use in this video, you can use as much as you want. Just keep in mind that if you backfilling 16-18 inches of stone, you should compact at least every 6 inches to make sure the stone is nice and tight. The plus of backfilling with that much stone is that it will act as a very large drainage area for any water that may get under the patio and prevent any shifting or sinking of pavers. Honestly, this 3/4 inch clean crushed stone is the best backfilling material you can buy ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper you are awesome! Thank you for the advise, this eases my mind alot! God Bless!
Is there any disadvantage to using repurposed 3/4 inch crushed concrete as the base instead of the 3/4 base stone. My son is convinced that this is ok to use because it is cheaper and they use it on road ways. I am not so sure of that.
There are a couple disadvantages... One is that it typically is much dustier and has more fine particles in it, causing water to not drain as well. The other is that it breaks down faster than natural crushed stone.
Massachusetts Knew it, here in the gate city NH. you guys based u in that area ? (northern MA)
Unfortunately we are south central Ma, but NH is not that far away… ✌🏻
I really like your videos.
I have a couple of questions:
Can I use a regular landscaping fabric, or do I have to use a woven geotex?
I’m laying pavers at my house in SC with a clay sub base.
Also, smooth does my base soil need to be? I got it within 1-2 inches but it def isn’t perfect. Will the 5-6 inches of 3/4” make up or do I need to get smoother?
Thank you!
If you can’t find the geotextile fabric, then yes, the landscape fabric is still a lot better than nothing.
If you have a lot of clay, as long as you have 6 inches minimum of room for the 3/4 stone, you will be all set even if the grade is a little rough. Just make sure you do the step of spreading a thin layer of stone right onto the subsoil and compact it in. Then lay the fabric and backfill to height. ✌🏻
How much do you overlap the fabric?
6-8 inches.
Is that pitch a 1 or 2% slope?
1/8 pitch exactly is a little over 1% slope
kinda like how i do my base for concrete, when i want it to drain
except the fabric of course
Yep, this method is excellent for drainage. Keeping pavers dry is key to the longevity of the project. 👌🏻
How much 57 stone did you end up having delivered?
We used about 20 cubic yards of 3/4 stone on this job
Is that base same as 57 stone? I’m from North Carolina
I'm pretty sure its the same thing. Clean, 3/4 inch crushed stone. ✌
What kind of fabric you use, what’s the name?
We get it from a few different manufacturers,
most commonly is made by (Alliance) and is called (Gator Fabric GF5) alliancegator.com/gator-grids-fabrics/gator-fabric-gf5/
another is made by (SRW) and is called (SS5) kearneycreteandblock.com/catalog-product/srw-ss5-woven-stabilization-fabric-6x100/
Those are just links to show you the product, not links to where I buy it.