Would love for Tragic to comment on the abysmal state of the Summoner archetype(please make minion builds viable in Apoc) and bugs that are still present since launch.
Last update was they're working on a full rework of the class, in addition to revamping Invader's SHARK skill. I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of the next patch alongside legendary perk re-rolls.
Lil trick I found: if you put bore on a sidearm and hit it with monorail the bullet will pierce and hit both the bore and the actual target, literally doubling your damage. With my build a single shot hit for about 180k, just shy of 400k with 2. (2 charges of wormhole)
@@VermillionDraco abrasive whetstone amulet Akari war band Probability cord Archers crest Ring of flawed beauty Sidearm has bore and twisting wounds mutator. bleed enemy, bore, activate hunters focus, wormhole, switch to monorail, activate mod, fire
My monrail hits for 110K with your setup except i have 75% ramge damage instead of 1,25x weakspot. There is some wierd scaling going on i belive where the 1,25x gives you more damage
@@thepromman well it is still 25% but is is after the rest of the numbers have been calculated so it is your weakspot damage with the buffs then 25% not plus 25% to base
Currently legendary weakpoint perk beats 75% range damage & even +100% dmg perk. Next patch range dmg perk gets nerfed to 60% and weakpoint gets buffed to 1.35x that's even more reason to use weakpoint👏👏
tickle fingers still slaps, infinite nebula is back, archon is still extremely strong. mod gen getting fixed was huuuge! deceit is even making a slight comeback! 👀 this was a very good set of fixes. some things still not working though, extra exp boosts from sagestone, elixer and scholar don’t give extra exp from boss rush still. still have crashing issues in menus and transitioning between certain areas in boss rush. overall, great patch though to fix the major issues!
This is an incorrect take. Even with sand storm nebula going (mean expose/acid debuff) a basic gunslinger medic clears boss rush quicker than a full dps skill based tickle finger mod build. They nerfed it a little too hard. It probably needed a slight nerf, but they cut off one hand and went good enough.
@@be9240 archon is just fine.. my point was that it still works and is still viable. it’s more in line with other skills and abilities now. so not everyone and their brother will be running it anymore. it’s great at ad clear, just does a little less damage overall. this doesn’t make archon not viable, it just means that it’s more balanced with other classes. it didn’t need to be as strong as it was. in the end, people will just complain about their builds getting nerfed rather than try to rework it or play something different for once. people are just lazy and want something to complain about. the nerf was warranted and understandable and people need to chill tf out about it. it’s just fine, and if you want to play something else because of it? then go for it! nobody is stopping you and that was probably the intention of the nerf, to diversify build crafting a bit more rather than relying on easy and lazy gameplay style
@@joshbraymiller1570 incorrect, it's greed by gunfire to ensure playtime (dlc bonus structures are based largely on playtime for devs) they've hit arcon every dlc then next patch buff it again. A none pure dps set up (gun slinger medic, should not be able to beat out a fully set up dps set up. Which again none optimized class (being medic gunslinger) not saying it's not usable (you can beat boss rush with a none leveled repeater, and side arm of your choice.) I'm saying the nerf does not make it in line with other classes, since the idea of a class means they are good at different things. (Meaning two support classes should do less damage, than two dps classes, or one and one) this shows their balancing is off. (Nor do they care about balance really, it's why their nerf and buff schedule is almost as bad as apex.)
@@be9240 don’t think playtime has anything to do with games that aren’t live service, but idk enough about that to make that claim. we’ll just have to agree to disagree here. in the end, you play what you want and i’ll still enjoy the power of tickle fingers. you can’t please everyone with design decisions and there will always be salty people when their precious builds get nerfed a wee bit. god forbid someone’s copy pasta build isn’t as good anymore and they don’t have the critical thinking skills to make it good again 🙄. this constant complaining about nerfs is getting really tiring.. either deal with the nerfs or change your playstyle or play a different game 🤷🏼 idk what to tell ya
@@joshbraymiller1570 DLC's pay bonuses are almost all playtime base, since sales are hard to calculate with dlcs for most games. (Given season passes) It's pretty much a standard for most dev teams (i have been in that world and it's pretty common). WE CAN 100% complain about bad nerfs. As someone who has a build around every class in the game, i can use a good amount of critical thinking skills. I see you failed to use yours before posting again, because you failed to address any of my points. Feel free to take some caffeine if you need it, and try again.
How exactly does the detonator makes the monorail do that damage exactly because I am trying to replicate and it does not get close to 90k damage, just wondering because I am lost and confused 😅.
You must have Yaesha after the first world and not first. I did this : Losomn first, after labyrinth, after Yaesha and when you kill the world boss of Yaesha, you win Ahanae Crystal in hardcore mode.
So the engineer prime perk used to scale overcharge with skill mods (ie. Duration and cooldown) does that work with any other prime trait? I know it doesnt seem to work with warden’s
Mods on multiplayer dont work, have to press the button a million times. Also the stats after finishing boss rush in coop are bugged, two guys I've played with had all stats and mine were fully blank. They should fix it before releasing undercooked dlc
Has anyone experienced crashes during the gauntlet? Me n my friends would get locked in a loading screen between zones almost every time now, loosing all progress
havoc form is fine? havoc cooldown build went from 1300 shock per second to 850, they kneecapped it by about 35-40% i dont use it alot but that is an insane nerf especially when ranged builds can easily push 4k dps without accounting for the new prism system and the 75% ranged bonus
Devs: ARCHON BIG POWERFUL HAD TO NERF IT MATE WAY TOO POWERFUL CONSIDERING OTHER BUILDS MATE Chaos gaming literally one shotting bosses and laughing at archon ... I just want to be a space wizard :(
I'm tired of the DPS arms race. Bolt Jamison is the worst. Yes, you can show big numbers, but you have to go through how many steps to achieve it? Also, in multiplayer, I have revived more HUGS builds than any other. It doesn't matter how big the numbers you can put up if you are downed before you put them up.
I 100% agree with archon nerf as well !! I used it in a few of my boss rush runs and it still works flawlessly. It’s a combo that just cannot be beaten 🫡.
Would love for Tragic to comment on the abysmal state of the Summoner archetype(please make minion builds viable in Apoc) and bugs that are still present since launch.
Last update was they're working on a full rework of the class, in addition to revamping Invader's SHARK skill. I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of the next patch alongside legendary perk re-rolls.
Lil trick I found: if you put bore on a sidearm and hit it with monorail the bullet will pierce and hit both the bore and the actual target, literally doubling your damage. With my build a single shot hit for about 180k, just shy of 400k with 2. (2 charges of wormhole)
What rings are you using?
what rings and legendary prism are you using
@@VermillionDraco abrasive whetstone amulet
Akari war band
Probability cord
Archers crest
Ring of flawed beauty
Sidearm has bore and twisting wounds mutator. bleed enemy, bore, activate hunters focus, wormhole, switch to monorail, activate mod, fire
@@dombombed nice build, also easy to swap necklace and mutator on the gun.
@@dombombed any secondary weapons u can recommend that fills mod gauge quickly enough and still comfortably deals with trash mobs?
My monrail hits for 110K with your setup except i have 75% ramge damage instead of 1,25x weakspot. There is some wierd scaling going on i belive where the 1,25x gives you more damage
guess the 1.25x is multiplic scaling so it stacks with all the other modifiers
@@ohboiipedersen3010 Yup, it's not +25% to weakspots, it's damage to weakspots * 1.25
@@thepromman well it is still 25% but is is after the rest of the numbers have been calculated so it is your weakspot damage with the buffs then 25% not plus 25% to base
Currently legendary weakpoint perk beats 75% range damage & even +100% dmg perk. Next patch range dmg perk gets nerfed to 60% and weakpoint gets buffed to 1.35x that's even more reason to use weakpoint👏👏
What's your F skill?
It’s really irritating that you chose to put your face right where the ring and amulet description is. Can you place it somewhere else or nowhere?
Lol. Tell me about it
tickle fingers still slaps, infinite nebula is back, archon is still extremely strong. mod gen getting fixed was huuuge! deceit is even making a slight comeback! 👀 this was a very good set of fixes. some things still not working though, extra exp boosts from sagestone, elixer and scholar don’t give extra exp from boss rush still. still have crashing issues in menus and transitioning between certain areas in boss rush. overall, great patch though to fix the major issues!
This is an incorrect take. Even with sand storm nebula going (mean expose/acid debuff) a basic gunslinger medic clears boss rush quicker than a full dps skill based tickle finger mod build. They nerfed it a little too hard. It probably needed a slight nerf, but they cut off one hand and went good enough.
@@be9240 archon is just fine.. my point was that it still works and is still viable. it’s more in line with other skills and abilities now. so not everyone and their brother will be running it anymore. it’s great at ad clear, just does a little less damage overall. this doesn’t make archon not viable, it just means that it’s more balanced with other classes. it didn’t need to be as strong as it was. in the end, people will just complain about their builds getting nerfed rather than try to rework it or play something different for once. people are just lazy and want something to complain about. the nerf was warranted and understandable and people need to chill tf out about it. it’s just fine, and if you want to play something else because of it? then go for it! nobody is stopping you and that was probably the intention of the nerf, to diversify build crafting a bit more rather than relying on easy and lazy gameplay style
@@joshbraymiller1570 incorrect, it's greed by gunfire to ensure playtime (dlc bonus structures are based largely on playtime for devs) they've hit arcon every dlc then next patch buff it again. A none pure dps set up (gun slinger medic, should not be able to beat out a fully set up dps set up. Which again none optimized class (being medic gunslinger) not saying it's not usable (you can beat boss rush with a none leveled repeater, and side arm of your choice.) I'm saying the nerf does not make it in line with other classes, since the idea of a class means they are good at different things. (Meaning two support classes should do less damage, than two dps classes, or one and one) this shows their balancing is off. (Nor do they care about balance really, it's why their nerf and buff schedule is almost as bad as apex.)
@@be9240 don’t think playtime has anything to do with games that aren’t live service, but idk enough about that to make that claim. we’ll just have to agree to disagree here. in the end, you play what you want and i’ll still enjoy the power of tickle fingers. you can’t please everyone with design decisions and there will always be salty people when their precious builds get nerfed a wee bit. god forbid someone’s copy pasta build isn’t as good anymore and they don’t have the critical thinking skills to make it good again 🙄. this constant complaining about nerfs is getting really tiring.. either deal with the nerfs or change your playstyle or play a different game 🤷🏼 idk what to tell ya
@@joshbraymiller1570 DLC's pay bonuses are almost all playtime base, since sales are hard to calculate with dlcs for most games. (Given season passes) It's pretty much a standard for most dev teams (i have been in that world and it's pretty common). WE CAN 100% complain about bad nerfs. As someone who has a build around every class in the game, i can use a good amount of critical thinking skills. I see you failed to use yours before posting again, because you failed to address any of my points. Feel free to take some caffeine if you need it, and try again.
I feel like I have to put on glasses to see what he's referring to.
@@scarfbit7354 It was this one 😅
How exactly does the detonator makes the monorail do that damage exactly because I am trying to replicate and it does not get close to 90k damage, just wondering because I am lost and confused 😅.
He has a cracked prism
@@epitome278 Can you elaborate more because I don't understand, what do you mean by crack prism ?
@mandi_od8507 his prism has alot of things that boost his damage, without a similar prism you won't get the same results
What did you focus on your prism to get the double mod charges?
Infinitypocket ring works on the monorail long gun as well😂
Hi I really love your building test and stuff . I have a request can you show us a movement speed build
Haha why did I have to miss that stream😂 so much cool stuff in the new patch
Hope they fix the Ahanae Crystal Ring not showing up after defeating Yaesha World Boss
You must have Yaesha after the first world and not first. I did this : Losomn first, after labyrinth, after Yaesha and when you kill the world boss of Yaesha, you win Ahanae Crystal in hardcore mode.
the Monorail seems so inconsistent with its charge rate to blow up... is there something i'm missing???
So the engineer prime perk used to scale overcharge with skill mods (ie. Duration and cooldown) does that work with any other prime trait? I know it doesnt seem to work with warden’s
Was the detonator thing fixed
Mods on multiplayer dont work, have to press the button a million times. Also the stats after finishing boss rush in coop are bugged, two guys I've played with had all stats and mine were fully blank. They should fix it before releasing undercooked dlc
Same. Stats showed zero kills after a 20 boss rush run.
Can you give the toolkit link for building this please?
how are you getting 10 mod charges on the star shot?
He have got a legendary perk on prism that gives double mods
They havn't fixed that warden trait issue, still don't have it when the archetype is not equipped
Has anyone experienced crashes during the gauntlet? Me n my friends would get locked in a loading screen between zones almost every time now, loosing all progress
@razgriz2276 one of my buddies did a gauntlet run and crashed right after killing annilahition netting him zero rewards.
I am just glad to use the barrier trait without Warden finally.
how in the hell are you getting extra mod charges on your weapons?
new prism legend perk doubles charges
How do you get 2 firestorm charges?
Yes
@@rafaelmarrero1210 you get it from lv51 prism special perk that it allows you to have double of weapon mods
You're at max shield and thus can't get any more that's why it's not applying to mod power. Try it with a smaller shield.
How? Same build but why i only got 27k lol
Wooow 🤩🤩 top 1 thanks legend I am currently using Build Legendary.
havoc form is fine? havoc cooldown build went from 1300 shock per second to 850, they kneecapped it by about 35-40%
i dont use it alot but that is an insane nerf especially when ranged builds can easily push 4k dps without accounting for the new prism system and the 75% ranged bonus
Devs: ARCHON BIG POWERFUL HAD TO NERF IT MATE WAY TOO POWERFUL CONSIDERING OTHER BUILDS MATE
Chaos gaming literally one shotting bosses and laughing at archon
... I just want to be a space wizard :(
Thats a GOD killer build. SHeesh
У монолита неправильно рассчитывается урон, у меня он должен наносить 475 но наносит только 200
Wait Tragic as in the game lead developer subscribes and participates in your streams? lol crazy
And KP have joined Chaos streams sometimes
I'm tired of the DPS arms race. Bolt Jamison is the worst. Yes, you can show big numbers, but you have to go through how many steps to achieve it? Also, in multiplayer, I have revived more HUGS builds than any other. It doesn't matter how big the numbers you can put up if you are downed before you put them up.
Genesis is still S tier imo, just not S+
Its Pretty Bad Right now . The Game is Bugged and Super Agro. for solo Campaigns.
Havoc nerf? F this bs I’ll probably delete this game
bro really needs his walmart version of stormtrance from destiny 2
I 100% agree with archon nerf as well !! I used it in a few of my boss rush runs and it still works flawlessly. It’s a combo that just cannot be beaten 🫡.