Boxer was such a character man. He brought that old school arcade rat kind of coolness to the game. Ofc now we have micro+macro gods like Flash and the newer gen of ASL names but no ones really been able to capture that cheeky playstyle Boxer would bring. Allied mines, squishing interceptors landing the CC, singular hero marine micro...Just constant pimpest play strats. Like when pro athletes have a streetball background and are able to bully opponents of higher clinical skill level by styling on them.
@@ManCubuSSC Boxer vs Flash on .. I forget the map but Klazart was the English caster. That was the day Flash became Flash. Boxer took him down and Flash looked at the camera like, "How can it be? I...I lost." After that, Flash was actually on fire in every game. I like to think the Emperor gave him the conqueror haki in that game.
My god this content-oldschoold starcraft from an era one did not take part in with someone knowledgable to add to it-I'm not a fan of "reaction-content" but this is excellent.
Maybe you are a fan of reaction content but you just haven’t found the right type of content yet. It’s always about the added personal commentary and Tasteless is extremely good at it.
32:44 Arbiters deal 10 damage, not 5, but it's explosive damage, so only 5 against small units like workers. But the probe attacks about twice as often, so their dps is comparable against big unarmored units, and the probe is actually better against medium or small unarmored units. (In this game though, the Protoss air weapons and Terran vehicle armor were being upgraded.) For reference: . dmg cool range (px) SCV 5 15 10 Drone 5 22 32 Probe 5 22 32 Arbiter 10* 45 160 * Explosive
When you are at the point in the game, where you have to rely on arbiter for damage, its pretty much all over for you. In fact they might be better of being unarmed, thus drawing less agro from enemy units. So for all practical purposes, their damage output is 0.
@@CoNteMpTone WHY would an Arbiter without a weapon be ''imbalanced''? Arbiters have to be focused by GOLIATHS anyway, having no weapon to draw fire on them makes ZERO difference and is not ''imba hurrdurr'' because drumroll......they CLOAK ALL OTHER UNITS AROUND THEM, M000r000n! You talk without knowing the basics, ''that's the kind of comment no one needs and only the worst deserve'' , also all of that information about unit stats is available on Team Liquid, just a few lazy clicks away. Don't act like he ''unlocked the secrets of the universe in his comment)
I miss the old games that only existed on 480p. Nick and Dan were the gems, Day[9] had some bangers. Guys like Cholera, Rise, and Klazart doing some great casts on the daily. The old Team Liquid addon that would auto block comments and video length to eliminate spoilers. Ah, the good old days.
Island maps, I remember making custom Island maps with a single pathway between them to access via ground to play against AI back in the day (like, 2000 kinda back in the day) on Starcraft so I could cannon myself off and just build carriers for the lulz :-D They really should do both to be honest, put the players in sound proof booths and do the white noise headsets, but not as loud since it wouldn't be necessary to have it so loud, so it's easier to hear comms & in game sounds. I've heard a lot of people say that when you're at a loud live event, the volume of the white noise is so bad that it's hard to hear the game sometimes. That has to be frustrating, especially in games like Starcraft 2, CS etc where sound is important (in SC you can hear the attack of a DT etc before you see it sometimes, stuff like that matters).
I think Koreans have a long history of watching "Go" the ancient board game with black and white stones on TV already. So it was a natural transition when PC games like Starcraft became popular. Like imagine if Americans grew up having a channel devoted to just chess games.
GG! Thanks for the cast. Have you cast the Flash "Carrier lockdown" game? I think it was against Stork. Can't find it =( But i remember he transitions to lockdown after carriers are revealed and his speed with it is insane.
Omg, that brings back many memories. waking up at 6am to watch live starcraft from korea specially if [red]nada or boxer were playing. I remember a very cool and unique player from that time called Hasudrone, his matches were wiiiiild.
No its not. You literally didnt experience anything in the 90s ^^ Its the early 2000s nostalgia you are mistakingly taking for 90s nostalgia. This, even though its in the 90s technically, is way closer to early 2000s vibes than 90s vibes. Take this from an old guy.
@@CoNteMpTone so if I watch shows and see commercials and had toys or items from from the 90s when I was a kid in the 2000s I can't experience ANYTHING in the 90s? and I'm just mistaking 2000s content as the 90s? if your going to be a smart ass don't be fucking retarded
@@CoNteMpToneI would be inclined to disagree with you as usually a decade's identity takes a few years to manifest and culturally bleeds over a few years into the next. Like the early years of the 90's being what folks would consider stereotypically 80's looking. And the ones before that. But something about the upcoming turn of the Millennia had people jumping the gun culturally and wanting all that Y2K shit early lol. Like Sharper Image would drop the flying cars when the clock struck 12 and folks wanted to be ready lol.
@@junioraltamontent.7582 i feel like the 90s already started out in a similar spirit where technology advanced quickly and people, especially young people, really felt like separating themselves from the past generation. You can see a pretty hard cut if you check out late 80s fashion vs early 90s fashion at colleges/universities. Same thing happened in the early 2000s but you know whats interesting? I dont really feel this change of decades since. Now its really just social media frying peoples brains but the individualism of the last decades hasnt changed. Maybe its too fast now. Its not decades but just years.
Mineral patches have usually been 1500 and geysers 5000 since the very beginning (it's the default in the map editor and what's used in the vast majority of Blizzard maps). Nine patches in the main and seven in the natural wasn't standard though, and there is a lot of variation there both in Blizzard and early KeSPA maps. (And of course, not every map even had a natural, or had gas at the natural.)
I lost a game where I had a lot of carriers once. Turns out if you only have 2 obs with them, a group of wraiths can pop those… almost instantly…. Lol. That was on Dire Straights too. GG Tasteless. At least we got some McDonalds afterwards.
The absolute god and innovator of MACRO was the player "NTT". NTT was a magician! Then there was another player called DSDS who opened my eyes to making the entire map my base. Check out NTT though. I am sure there should be some replays left of him. Remember, he was literally the very first dude to ALWAYS macro and to ALWAYS win with it. :D
Although a slow pace that makes me feel like I could have been a pro for the first several years lol that was an awesome game and awesome moment in history
Yeah that era has no sound proof. All matches have been held with soundproof booths and white noise headset since around the summer of 2006, after someone claimed to iloveoov got benefits by the roar of his fans in the round of 16.
I think one thing that made old BW scenes exciting was lack of information for spectators. RTS games (and video games in general) nowadays give you almost everything you want to know, which is not a bad thing, but... it's something.
Back in the early 2000s, most korean sc spectators wouldnt even know what those Informations mean. Over half of the viewers didnt even play starcraft. It was that popular.
@@CoNteMpTone i'd caution you against assuming that still isn't the case. there isn't any definitive study done on this, naturally, but i'd be surprised if the ratio of people who watch but don't play was anything less than half through to this day. I'd bet the opposite to be true, and that the ratio has only increased since then.
@@housemana i wouldnt know how the state of things is today but i wouldnt be surprised if you are right. Which would be Incredibly funny because for other eSports titles, its a minimal share. For example, for League of Legends its between 0.5 and 3.0%, depending on the Event.
Damn nice video bro! pure old school! i love those days, there is a very good game too i guess is Nal_Ra vs SavioR a very long game, and in the end its a race for destroying builds of each others.
I just want to say I really really appreciate your perspective on island maps in new games, just because they didn't work for Starcraft doesn't mean we can't try em out again. Trying new things is fun. Games are fun.
Joyo used to be a race picker, right? He usually played terran but he admits that he didn't want to play TvT versus Boxer. I used to do the "joyo rush" in TvP against top players in my region and it was unstoppable lol, good times.
Why didn't Joya shuttle his remaining troops over to the terran bases and take out those buildings? Also - the game is not over unless all buildings are destroyed. Boxer cannot take out all those cannons...
No tanks because i think u can fit only 2 compared to 4 goliaths. Broodwar is the real Korean drama. 😂. I wonder if they could randomize maps so the players don’t know the map in advance to play. They would have to explore, adjust to the map.
It almost kinda sucks they balanced this game using maps. Because we lost all the cool unbalanced maps. If it was balanced around the units/races instead then we could maybe have more crazy shit.
Didnt slayers only exist for about 2 years and in SC2? Why is boxer still referred to as slayersboxer? Seems like the least significant part of his career.
Brown noise, I am dead. Let us hope they give the players white noise, cause brown noise is an unproven rumour that a very specific frequency can cause spontaneous diarrhea.
"Shocks the world" More like shocks .000001% of the world. I guarantee if you asked 10,000 random people about Boxer or starcraft 1 in general, only one or 2 would even understand you.
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Boxer was such a character man. He brought that old school arcade rat kind of coolness to the game. Ofc now we have micro+macro gods like Flash and the newer gen of ASL names but no ones really been able to capture that cheeky playstyle Boxer would bring. Allied mines, squishing interceptors landing the CC, singular hero marine micro...Just constant pimpest play strats. Like when pro athletes have a streetball background and are able to bully opponents of higher clinical skill level by styling on them.
I would pay actual money to see those old Boxers pimpest plays again. Those cliff sieges and rines micros and all that live tournament awesomeness.
We wouldn't have FlaSh if there wasn't BoxeR. FlaSh decided to become pro after watching him on TV.
@@ManCubuSSC Boxer vs Flash on .. I forget the map but Klazart was the English caster. That was the day Flash became Flash. Boxer took him down and Flash looked at the camera like, "How can it be? I...I lost." After that, Flash was actually on fire in every game. I like to think the Emperor gave him the conqueror haki in that game.
@@dampiere I think it was on Python I remember that game, fun one but FlaSh was devastated after loss.
@@dampiere i still watch the highlights on here. kinda blurry in some vids tho.
My god this content-oldschoold starcraft from an era one did not take part in with someone knowledgable to add to it-I'm not a fan of "reaction-content" but this is excellent.
Yea for real.
Maybe you are a fan of reaction content but you just haven’t found the right type of content yet. It’s always about the added personal commentary and Tasteless is extremely good at it.
This was literally the game that got me into pro starcraft. This blew my mind at the time. I could not believe it.
It also made me a lifelong SlayerS_BoxeR fan. I still carry over the feelings from this game.
Everyone with a time machine: go back to either better the world or make all the money. Tasteless: beat old sc pros.
Epic game, epic times back then. Boxer is my esport hero. Such great guy. Thanks for this probe to my childhood !!!!
Boxer vs Joyo on Paradoxx. My actual favourite boxer game of all time. Actual madness. He never gave up. My emperor of Terran, always.
32:44 Arbiters deal 10 damage, not 5, but it's explosive damage, so only 5 against small units like workers. But the probe attacks about twice as often, so their dps is comparable against big unarmored units, and the probe is actually better against medium or small unarmored units. (In this game though, the Protoss air weapons and Terran vehicle armor were being upgraded.)
For reference:
. dmg cool range (px)
SCV 5 15 10
Drone 5 22 32
Probe 5 22 32
Arbiter 10* 45 160
* Explosive
Thanks man. Thats the kind of comment we need but dont deserve.
When you are at the point in the game, where you have to rely on arbiter for damage, its pretty much all over for you. In fact they might be better of being unarmed, thus drawing less agro from enemy units. So for all practical purposes, their damage output is 0.
@@redfiend i think making them unarmed could make them really imba
@@CoNteMpTone good point.)
@@CoNteMpTone WHY would an Arbiter without a weapon be ''imbalanced''?
Arbiters have to be focused by GOLIATHS anyway, having no weapon to draw fire on them makes ZERO difference and is not ''imba hurrdurr'' because drumroll......they CLOAK ALL OTHER UNITS AROUND THEM, M000r000n!
You talk without knowing the basics, ''that's the kind of comment no one needs and only the worst deserve'' , also all of that information about unit stats is available on Team Liquid, just a few lazy clicks away. Don't act like he ''unlocked the secrets of the universe in his comment)
I miss the old games that only existed on 480p. Nick and Dan were the gems, Day[9] had some bangers. Guys like Cholera, Rise, and Klazart doing some great casts on the daily. The old Team Liquid addon that would auto block comments and video length to eliminate spoilers. Ah, the good old days.
crazy comeback from the Emperor of Terran .
Jeez, 2003? It's crazy how long these people have been playing, I don't even think I was barely in middle school then.
I wasn't alive and now I'm an adult XD
Loved it. Would definitely like more commentary of old Boxer games, requested it on Artosis' channel but Tasteless would do as well 😅
Island maps, I remember making custom Island maps with a single pathway between them to access via ground to play against AI back in the day (like, 2000 kinda back in the day) on Starcraft so I could cannon myself off and just build carriers for the lulz :-D
They really should do both to be honest, put the players in sound proof booths and do the white noise headsets, but not as loud since it wouldn't be necessary to have it so loud, so it's easier to hear comms & in game sounds. I've heard a lot of people say that when you're at a loud live event, the volume of the white noise is so bad that it's hard to hear the game sometimes. That has to be frustrating, especially in games like Starcraft 2, CS etc where sound is important (in SC you can hear the attack of a DT etc before you see it sometimes, stuff like that matters).
damn that woman is gorgeous, 10/10
pleasantly surprised by the quality of the vod. great work Tasteless!
This made me feel 13 years old again
I think Koreans have a long history of watching "Go" the ancient board game with black and white stones on TV already. So it was a natural transition when PC games like Starcraft became popular. Like imagine if Americans grew up having a channel devoted to just chess games.
So tremendously fond of the Boxer era
GG! Thanks for the cast. Have you cast the Flash "Carrier lockdown" game? I think it was against Stork. Can't find it =( But i remember he transitions to lockdown after carriers are revealed and his speed with it is insane.
Omg, that brings back many memories. waking up at 6am to watch live starcraft from korea specially if [red]nada or boxer were playing. I remember a very cool and unique player from that time called Hasudrone, his matches were wiiiiild.
Boxer face is like he is about to kill someone
The other guy is like falling asleep😂
1999, man I was 3 years old lol
the late 90s nostalgia is real
No its not. You literally didnt experience anything in the 90s ^^
Its the early 2000s nostalgia you are mistakingly taking for 90s nostalgia.
This, even though its in the 90s technically, is way closer to early 2000s vibes than 90s vibes. Take this from an old guy.
@@CoNteMpTone so if I watch shows and see commercials and had toys or items from from the 90s when I was a kid in the 2000s I can't experience ANYTHING in the 90s? and I'm just mistaking 2000s content as the 90s?
if your going to be a smart ass don't be fucking retarded
@@CoNteMpToneI would be inclined to disagree with you as usually a decade's identity takes a few years to manifest and culturally bleeds over a few years into the next. Like the early years of the 90's being what folks would consider stereotypically 80's looking. And the ones before that. But something about the upcoming turn of the Millennia had people jumping the gun culturally and wanting all that Y2K shit early lol. Like Sharper Image would drop the flying cars when the clock struck 12 and folks wanted to be ready lol.
@@junioraltamontent.7582 i feel like the 90s already started out in a similar spirit where technology advanced quickly and people, especially young people, really felt like separating themselves from the past generation.
You can see a pretty hard cut if you check out late 80s fashion vs early 90s fashion at colleges/universities. Same thing happened in the early 2000s but you know whats interesting? I dont really feel this change of decades since.
Now its really just social media frying peoples brains but the individualism of the last decades hasnt changed. Maybe its too fast now. Its not decades but just years.
Gen Z talking about 90s nostalgia? What?
Tesagi, since 2003
Get out with balance whining, this isn't SC2: you whiners already destroyed that game.
Mineral patches have usually been 1500 and geysers 5000 since the very beginning (it's the default in the map editor and what's used in the vast majority of Blizzard maps). Nine patches in the main and seven in the natural wasn't standard though, and there is a lot of variation there both in Blizzard and early KeSPA maps. (And of course, not every map even had a natural, or had gas at the natural.)
I lost a game where I had a lot of carriers once. Turns out if you only have 2 obs with them, a group of wraiths can pop those… almost instantly…. Lol. That was on Dire Straights too. GG Tasteless. At least we got some McDonalds afterwards.
Boxer!! The goat!!
Thank you so much for moving the socials to the bottom right on videos like this
I guess the Internet was always thirsty for start lore but having it happening with tasteless is tasteful.
I clickbaited myself! Only read the "Boxer's comeback" and clicked instantly! After all these years, he's still my favorite player! :)
He has a Twitch and streams on occasion, www.twitch.tv/boxer_lim
Awesome to see him on the ladder again.
The absolute god and innovator of MACRO was the player "NTT". NTT was a magician! Then there was another player called DSDS who opened my eyes to making the entire map my base. Check out NTT though. I am sure there should be some replays left of him. Remember, he was literally the very first dude to ALWAYS macro and to ALWAYS win with it. :D
Although a slow pace that makes me feel like I could have been a pro for the first several years lol that was an awesome game and awesome moment in history
Love boxer content - please keep it up Tasteless!
I think that back then felt 99% of all games were played on Lost Temple as a map. Great map.
love these videos looking back at history, keep them coming!
Yeah that era has no sound proof.
All matches have been held with soundproof booths and white noise headset since around the summer of 2006, after someone claimed to iloveoov got benefits by the roar of his fans in the round of 16.
Makes sense, audiences today make a din just from scouting information which would easily tip players off.
Where the heck do you find these old games @tastelesstv? Love to watch some of these old matches.
Caster park is now a legend in LoL...
Btw in LoL they play with the players in the middle (in LCK).
I think one thing that made old BW scenes exciting was lack of information for spectators.
RTS games (and video games in general) nowadays give you almost everything you want to know, which is not a bad thing, but... it's something.
Back in the early 2000s, most korean sc spectators wouldnt even know what those Informations mean. Over half of the viewers didnt even play starcraft. It was that popular.
@@CoNteMpTone i'd caution you against assuming that still isn't the case. there isn't any definitive study done on this, naturally, but i'd be surprised if the ratio of people who watch but don't play was anything less than half through to this day. I'd bet the opposite to be true, and that the ratio has only increased since then.
@@housemana i wouldnt know how the state of things is today but i wouldnt be surprised if you are right.
Which would be Incredibly funny because for other eSports titles, its a minimal share. For example, for League of Legends its between 0.5 and 3.0%, depending on the Event.
Damn nice video bro! pure old school! i love those days, there is a very good game too i guess is Nal_Ra vs SavioR a very long game, and in the end its a race for destroying builds of each others.
I just want to say I really really appreciate your perspective on island maps in new games, just because they didn't work for Starcraft doesn't mean we can't try em out again. Trying new things is fun. Games are fun.
Ganes are kinda fun, arent they?
I'd like a time machine and recall me to these golden times
Very curious if there was a rematch on that same map if the protoss frustrations/tilt from last match would have empowered him to win.
as someone, who really loved broodwar, this video is so nice :D
Glad this game wasn't the storm/reaver drop style and done in like 7 minutes. This is the brood war I remember from 2005 when I was a teen.
Joyo used to be a race picker, right? He usually played terran but he admits that he didn't want to play TvT versus Boxer. I used to do the "joyo rush" in TvP against top players in my region and it was unstoppable lol, good times.
Slayers boxer is the reason I love starcraft the emperor will always be the goat for me
Now you understand Fantasy GG timing. Maybe this game inspired him
I hope you cast or hold a Tasteless Starcraft Tournament.. with new unique exciting rules..
This was a great video taste. can you do the one where boxer wins with supply depots?
This series is really nice, love it!
Thank you! Awesome!
The emperor :')
I enjoyed watching this a lot. Just need the BW theme song playing in the background T.
God I miss these days of Brood War
E-sports at it's peak, imo. I mean as an actual entertainment show wise.
If you want to burn 1-2 hours, just play a FFA against 7 AI on Primeval Isles. Giant island map haha.
Street fighter 2 was the first big esports imo
Lockdown a noob strat… Tasteless has never seen Artosis vs 2Mogo confirmed
Brood war came out in 98, not 99
what rank/rating do you think they are if that match was played today?
like B rank? maybe low A?
Probably not even C I believe, that was really raw gameplay. Still really interesting to see how they were thinking the gameplay at that time.
Legends stay legends no matter when. And I'm sure BoxeR now even in his 40s can easily achieve A rank. He streamed couple times and guy is a monster.
That's like C level game play at the highest. Way too much nothingness in the early game. Their timings would get demolished by good players now
Pj vs Saviour on Gaia.
Why didn't Joya shuttle his remaining troops over to the terran bases and take out those buildings? Also - the game is not over unless all buildings are destroyed. Boxer cannot take out all those cannons...
I hate when a brown noise is pumped into my cell....
They're brainwashing us! Never wear those, especially with brown flavour.
Can you do something about the Norwegian player slayer?
In that map I would inmediately throw another Nexus/CC next to the first one just to get more workers. Am I crazy?
Yeah
Not at all considering there are double patches of minerals compared to normal maps. Having 2 CCs is even better for two scans.
These are the coolest kids as a sc fan
No tanks because i think u can fit only 2 compared to 4 goliaths. Broodwar is the real Korean drama. 😂. I wonder if they could randomize maps so the players don’t know the map in advance to play. They would have to explore, adjust to the map.
It almost kinda sucks they balanced this game using maps. Because we lost all the cool unbalanced maps. If it was balanced around the units/races instead then we could maybe have more crazy shit.
Ghosts are still good especially vs carriers..
Didnt slayers only exist for about 2 years and in SC2? Why is boxer still referred to as slayersboxer? Seems like the least significant part of his career.
History in Golden mouse winners?
Brown noise, I am dead. Let us hope they give the players white noise, cause brown noise is an unproven rumour that a very specific frequency can cause spontaneous diarrhea.
awesome!
i would love not seeing the chat overlay on these videos.
tl;dw: terran op
da god
Not "finals" in any way
First
"Shocks the world"
More like shocks .000001% of the world. I guarantee if you asked 10,000 random people about Boxer or starcraft 1 in general, only one or 2 would even understand you.