A year later it is still mind boggling that they got as far as they did with fundamentally flawed decisions and logic. Carbon fiber as a material choice is the equivalent of a chocolate castle in a desert
i liked the bit where "the sun will extinguish" as basis for establishing under-ocean bases. Bruh, when the Sun does its thing, there won't be any oceans left :D
Ya. He was lauded as a golden boy his whole life so no one challenged anything he said, that’s how he got away with stating his bizarre take on physics/astrophysics .. and submarines
@@nexaentertainment2764and for anyone who cares - as a hobby chemist/potter, I suspect the end game will be a ... big, glazed pot. Green/brown, semi transparent on the edges, and very sharp. Kind of like how they described Mandalore on that show except more dark. Here's some numbers. We are 92M miles away, from the sun, which could become around 100M miles in diameter when it becomes a red giant. bit of a margin of error, but let's assume it will be 92 ish, ie the surface of the red giant will be very close to earth's orbit. the red giants we know about, range between 4500-8500F at surface temp. Let's assume our sun will be the lower range of that. The Earth has some pure molten metals in the center, but outside, its full of refractory oxides - alumina, silica, and trace metal oxides. The boiling point temperature for all of those is quite high, around 4000-6000F. If we stay below that temperature, we will essentially have a very long (millions of years) kiln firing of the entire planet, the ingredients of which .. add up to terracotta clay. When you fire clay "as intended" it is fully opaque, but when you overfire it, it turns into a glassy obsidian substance (you can do this with an acetylene torch around 6000F). If the clay doesn't have too much alumina and iron, it will be transparent, but the iron gives it a green hue (thanks to boron), blue (thanks to titanium and phosphorus) or just brown (oxygen.)
That acoustic monitoring system was the most absurd safety feature they have. The moment even a single fibre broke, it means the strenght has been execeeded and shell is done for. On its max depth where it really matters, there is no way back from that single failing strand.
Those ticket prices sure as heck weren't "low budget." Someone should have reinvested in his business. Could have had multi million dollar subs created by a total think tank of mental giant engineers which would have made his business safer and far more sustainable. And ultimately over time far more profitable. The man indeed had those billion dollar clients, all the more to reinvest in his equipment. I mean...a PS1 controller?
I don't think removing the fence was the issue. The issue was they never really tested the submersible. They should have made it do like 100+ downs then ups, then cut the thing in half and examined it. Engineers at the company wanted to do that, but were told it would be too expensive. There's nothing wrong with innovating, they just weren't checking their work. If you look at like a spaceX rocket, they're doing crazy new things, and destructively test vehicles to find out what to fix next. Oceangate could have done something similar and created a truly innovative vehicle. I'm sure the final thing would have been quite a bit more reinforced than the Titan, but it would have been safer. Oh well.
No one makes titanium casting this big, so it would have to be made from many parts. I think the grid fins on Falcon 9 is the largest single piece of titanium manufactured.
@@DrewPWeenie1 I haven't run the numbers, but I presume that that type of rapid compression would have briefly brought the temperature of their remains up at least 800C where, yes, molecular bonds are going to break.
@@firstnamelastname9918 I haven’t thought of that. Haha. I was a little lit earlier (chemo). At 6000 psi… yeah I’d probably say you’re correct after thinking about it for a bit hahaha.
there's something so eerie about watching a man talk on his own hubris knowing he's been just.. vaporized. like my brain can't make that make sense almost
Just makes you almost wish he was somehow able to see how foolish he looks now, I would've been happier if he wasn't on the sub when it exploded so he could deal with the fallout from this disaster, and see how his narcissism and hubris killed people
These people don't care. If they did they wouldn't have done it in the first place. He'd have just blamed someone else and moved on. I just wish he was alone, those people he dragged with him were the real victims. @@oliverfrots9300
Also fails to elaborate that commercial subs fall into two categories - shallow water for engineering or tourism, and deep water scientific, and they're worlds apart in terms of design, cost, and usage. What he tried to do was bodge the first category design and build into the second category usage. The bit that kinda baffles me a little is the passengers who never thought 'I wonder why this doesn't look anywhere near as substantial or over built as James Cameron's one?"
@duncanhamilton584 the entire premise of the company was to introduce deep sea tourism. To be profitable you have to take enough passengers. There are too many reasons to explain here why the traditional titanium sphere submersible cannot be built large enough to accommodate enough passengers.
The full quote is generally reasonable. Yes, every action in life is a risk-reward analysis, and the only way to absolutely minimize risk is to never leave your bed. You take a risk taking a shower, you take a risk cooking, leaving the house, etc etc. All completely true, at some point safety is just pure waste. Where he failed was at the part of "breaking all the rules being just as safe." The goal should be more efficiently follow the idiot-proofing rules, not throw them out...
@@giin97 yeah, exactly my thought: how can a guy be that smart, and not even realize the faulitness in his own "as safe while breaking the rules" analogy...? driving a car, there is always a rest of risk, yes. but it is lowered BY FOLLOWING THE RULES!!!! how on earth do you want to make it "as safe while breaking" if FOLLOWING the rules IS THE THING that makes it less dangerous????????? PRINCETON FFS!!!!!!!
Doesn't mean that's not a true statement though. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns when it comes to safety measures. There is also a point where the "safety gains" are so minuscule relative to the cost increase that it becomes pure waste. This is true in just about any industry one can think of.
@@Withlovefrominterentwhat are you talking about. In what sector would this be true ? Safety rules always stem from previous faults. That’s why the rules were developed. Dude broke the first rule of engineering thinking he knew more than he actually did. Saying your an expert in aerospace is the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. I’m an aerospace engineer and I know little to nothing about aerospace.
The fact that his holy grail of safety was the "hull monitoring system" when the failure mode would be so fast you'd never even get the message the hull was failing.
Yeah, when he started yammering on about how safe subs are, all I thought was "tell that to the U-boat crews". The submarine fleet had one of the highest mortality rates of any job in the war, where 8 out of every 10 men who joined the Kreigsmarine to fight on a u-boat would end up dead. Hell, there are several post-war incidents involving submarines where something went wrong and the whole crew went down with the ship.
@@superspies32 There was also an Argentinian sub lost a few years prior in 2017 and an Indian sub in 2013. Then there was the Kursk disaster at the beginning of the 2000's. That is beside the minor incidents (e.g. subs running aground in shallow waters or surfacing below ships), that didn't cause hull loses.
If someone building a SUB?! says with full confidence "at some point safety is just a waste" you will never find me or anyone I love in that sub. That is a man who has not defeated his ego. This disaster was inevitable with an attitude like that. Especially with something so complicated.
I mean, it's a true statement, though. We do risky things every day, the biggest one being driving. It's one of the top killers, yet we do it. And even for free time activities, going to concerts is dangerous. Skydiving is dangerous. Hiking is dangerous. Going on a vacation is dangerous. There's a lot of things we do that have a little bit of elevated risk, something you can't account for, or something that would be exceedingly expensive to account for (e.g. we could make cars almost perfectly safe if we limit the speeds to 15mph everywhere! But that's not acceptable in most people's eyes, right?) But obviously Rush miscalculated the risk of his submarine, ironically with the one part that really needed to be safe, that he knew needed to be safe.
@@MeMe-gm9di personally I despise cars and think it'd be great if the US would get on the train train already.. so arguing about "we do it anyway" is a lil silly. we "do it anyway" because the oil and gas industry have us by the short hairs. but it's true, we do an awful lot that the average person never considers to be unsafe, because it's standard.
@@peachy_lili I mean, cars kill people in basically every country in the world. Though I do get your point, of course. I would love to limit cars, especially around humans, quite a lot! Limiting traffic to 15mph within city boundaries, if that was actually reliably enforced, would be a tradeoff I'd make. But the argument still stands! Currently, there's no political will for that.
This was his second attempt, after being incredibly confident he could probably just hold his breath wayyyyyy longer than 'none genius' humans - and simply swim down to the Titanic.
It wasn't just that. He was trash talking all of the other sub builders about their materials choice while spewing BS. I don't understand how he had engineering partners and they decided to go with a material that needed to be in tension to work and that would fatigue.
@@nicolethomas1674 Money is a great motivator. As long as the paycheck is huge and they are not forced to participate in the ride you will always find people ready to built death traps.
People with that much money live in a different universe where actions cannot have consequences that money cannot solve. Unfortunately, the ocean will not accept a bribe to delay crushing you into a human bread ball, and he probably genuinely hadn't thought of this until the Wii mote ran out of batteries.
What a pointless video. Good click bait I guess. Nothing new or interesting than was covered in many videos last year. You actually covered a lot less than other people did. I thought I had pressed next video by mistake when it was over. I thought more than 50% was left.
There is a Futurama scene where their spaceship is being pulled underwater and the professor says “dear lord that is 150 atm of pressure” and Fry asks “how many atm it can take” and the professor answers “its a spaceship so anywhere between 0 and 1”
Rush is legitimately responsible for the negligent homicide of those passengers. Him being smug while saying “submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet” and then deciding that all of these safety measures are unnecessary is proof that he’s nowhere near as smart as he thought he was. Almost every story about the Titanic focuses on the hubris of man and the proclamation that it’s “unsinkable.” Not once did he appreciate the irony of his own ego.
Whaat? Did he say “when the sun extinguishes there will still be thermal vents”. Because when the sun goes out there won’t be an earth left as it has extended out beyond earth and has vaporized it. For such a smart guy he was pretty dumb.
@@bag-manbaron2547 Yeah saying something like that is equivalent to saying "don't fly too close to the sun with Icarus wings, else you get burned". That's just inviting bad omen before a maiden voyage. Definitely not smart.
This is what we learned in 5th grade science. I remember it, because when I was that young, I was absolutely petrified of death - so learning that the sun will, one day, destroy the earth....that lesson stuck.
I kind of agree with what stockton said about saftey being waste, but not pure waste and not in a scenerio where you are travelling 12,500 feet under water and being under 12,500 feet of water pressure
“When I started the business old timers told me I was nuts.” There’s a reason they are old timers, sir. They followed the rules and *lived* long enough to *be* old.
@@SpoopySquid Another good saying: "Be wary of an old man in a business where men die young". It doesn't 100% fit here, but I just really like that saying.
I love he added the caveat of commercial Submarines which are few and far between. The Navies of the world have and still do bear the brunt of submarine fatalities.
They're statistically the safest because there is significantly less of them and experts control them. Put as many subs as there are cars in the ocean and let regular men and women control them, and they'll be the most unsafe.
@@Blxz It truly amazes me when people see an activity with low rates of injury or death while also having a lot of regulations and rather than assume the regulations keep them safe, they assume the regulations must be unnecessary.
He messed around, ignored safety warnings and found out the hard way WHY these safety measures were there in the first place. I mean, a video game console???
The OceanGate people failed for the same reason Enron did: they were smart enough to get around the rules but not wise enough to realize why the rules were there in the first place.
Rush knew the dangers involved but insisted on using his unproven design, I'm guessing because it was quite a bit lighter than steel- But as we found out also weaker than steel. Of course when lives are on the line you MUST go with a tried & true design. Period.
I hate that he never even got to learn his lesson. He went to the grave thinking he was smarter than everyone else, and he dragged the rest of the people in that sub down with him.
It’s more likely than not that he was aware that the hull was failing in the moments before he died. There was a hill failure alarm that detected damage. He had at least a few moments of terror and seeing the terror on the face of his innocent victims. It would have sounded crazy, like thousands of glass shards smashing. Loud and terrifying.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143most failures under pressure that extreme are catastrophic and occur in a fraction of a fraction of a second. They were almost certainly liquified before the alarm could even trigger.
@@philhiller-mn1gw Nope. The astronauts aren't really stranded. It's an intentional decision to stay in space and try to collect evidence of why they have a leak, so their next build can improve. But they don't need to fix anything to be able to return.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143 It's possible, but given that he apparently had heard cracking noises during dives before and completely ignored them, it's equally possible his last words were dismissing their concerns and insisting everything was going as planned.
I'm just a chemical engineer but even I know that carbon fiber works great for tensile loads but is weak in terms of compression and shear stress a sub would experience underwater. It's great for gas bottles, maybe it's good for spacecraft but it's not supposed to go into a sumbarine. Also I don't get the problem with weight to buoancy ratio he speaks of. Why even care? Some styrofoam floaters cost nothing. You could even make a submarine using steel. It would be extremelely thick, heavy and big but it's possible.
@@alexmin4752 Styrofoam would deform too much. Also, the bigger problem with carbon fibers is that it's not an homogeneous material and it's very hard to test its aging and imperfection accurately.
A degree isn't proof of intelligence or competence, it's just proof that some place gave you a degree, which usually means just remembering the list of things they want you to remember long enough to regurgitate answers for a test. Or it could mean that your parents simply had enough money/influence to get it for you.
I don’t think he really understood how immense 6,000 psi is. He’s talking about strength to buoyancy when he should have been thinking more about strength to time.
This is a stupid comment. The guy was a Princeton graduate and very intellectually gifted, but somehow this video gets flooded with a sea of redditors, being probably one of the stupidest breed of human beings alive, coming in to joke about how stupid he is or how they know better. The guys' calculations worked, he made 13 successful trips to the titanic ffs, what he didn't account for is how the psi would induce heavy wear and tear on the carbon pressure vessel. I'm assuming this is because the data on this phenomenon was not readily available. But to act like the guy was an idiot is truly peak dumbfuckery that only redditors can accomplish.
Just pure arrogance on his part. He was trying to disparage the actual experts in this field by suggesting they are too old to accept new advances in materials and mechanics. Turns out they were right.
@@JamesDBlanc Yeah. He is different. He's in a million pieces at the bottom of the ocean being eaten by marine animals. Along with his 4 victims I might add.
Uplifting to know submarine rules have reached a golden state where, if you follow them, you can be at ease that they'll be safe. This man reminded everyone why the rules were so strict.
Yes, he maintained submarines were relatively safe vehicles yet abandoned the many regulations in his own sub that would include it in that safe group. Moron.
@@leiii05 The FAA let Boeing certify its own plane, the 737 Max, which led to an undiagnosed MCAS system flaw that crashed Lion Air 610 in October 2018 and Ethiopian Airlines 302 in March 2019, losing all souls on board both aircraft. The Max was subsequently grounded for 20 months. Boeing's safety culture is currently being probed by US Congress after Alaska Airlines 1282 had a plug door ripped off the fuselage due to incorrect installation.
@leiii05 they've become a manufacturer that doesn't care at all about the safety of their passengers or flight crews. Their 737MAX is a coffin with wings and engines way too big for it.
He said this after around 80 people died in a Argentinian submarine a couple years ago. I served on submarines for around 8 years and I agree that they are safer than most people would think. But the kicker is when something goes any bit wrong on a sub, it goes very wrong.
yeah the second I saw that (I had never seen that speech before) I understood just how deep his hubris went. Subs are used mainly by militaries, with trained people who follow strict rules. Not by the common man every day. Rhe fact he thought crash/casualty rates were comparable between the most common means of transportation versus a fucking submarine. is just ignorance. It's like people who think the A10 has a hogh Blue on Blue rate. Is it high? Yes, it is. Now compare it to planes that routinely called in to help soldiers with munitions within a hundred feet of soldiers. It's not comparable.
And you know, all those pesky regulations that Rush ignored might have been there for a reason, regulations are written in blood, the fact that they're safe is because of how strict the rules for them are.
Whoa - when he says "There hasnt been an injury on any commercial vessel even though 15 million have gone down in them"-- note how he tries to rely on the safety of all the previously proven and certified conventionally built TITANIUM subs who had no problems to make his own craft seem safe - what a sneaky way to try and make your own UNCERTIFIED vessel seem safe - what a blatantly deceptive arrogant jerk playing with others lives. Also I dont think 15 million people have been that deep before as he claimed.
But ask yourself how they got the number of 15 million... Probably by including "submersibles" like the 4 that operated at West Edmonton Mall for 20 years. Not really comparable.
He even came up with the excuse that the over 50 something year olds with 20+ years of experience in like the NAVY or maritime stuff wasn't "inspirational" to him. which means ANYONE with experience took one look at that thing LAUGHED hysterical and said HELL NO.
The reason deep sea submersibles are as safe as Stockton was proclaiming them to be, is because of the very regulation he was trying to get around. Did he really think submersibles and the deep sea were naturally harmless??
I'm not sticking up for Stockton, nor think it was a good idea to dive more than once in the titan.. But a lot of the safety these days is from people who clearly lack common sense
Ahhh yes.... carbon fiber...... the stuff you can put on cars and that arrows are made of plus many other stuff that should not be tested in the ocean at extreme depths.
"There has been x dives with no accidents and it's the safest form of transport. Therefore we won't bother with safety, compliance or certification and the law of averages will ensure we are safe"
That guy was so FOS.😂.At least now CF hopefully will never again be used for a deep sea sub pressure vessel. The CF was gone from that debris that came up.vaporized. 🫣🫣🫣
@@MrKrewie To the contrary he apparently believed that each crackle sound that it made on every dive, was the weak fibers breaking so it was getting stronger. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Lol yeah, that's the great irony. The fact that it had been so safe was due to the stringent safety standards, a safety record that he is then using to justify not upholding those standards.
@@steveo601 we all know the carbon fiber decided to just give up when Rush cheaped out and used a knock off logitech controller instead of the ps3 controller
Oceangate, specifically the Titanic expeditions, is a great study on why safety is more than just a set of "rules." Safety is a culture, whether it's on a job site or at the bottom of the ocean, and a failure to uphold that can and will cost lives. Stockton Rush is a testament to what happens when arrogance meets ignorance.
@@josh___somethingnot really: remember that half the reason religion exists is people really HATE the idea that people they don’t like won’t KNOW they messed up…that evil people can “get away with it”
@@andyjasso3050 Not only that, but it's useless when it comes to compression stress. Carbon fiber is unbelievably durable, but for tensile strength only.
Also, from my understanding, the deal with carbon fiber is that it's not as easy to find flaws or cracks in the haul unlike steel. On steel hauls they can use X-ray sensors as well as other methods to find micro cracks withIN the steel itself, cracks that might not be visible on the surface but is present within the metal itself. I also heard that basically the very first dive is pretty much the strongest the haul is ever going to be (with microfiber), but after repeated dives ANY micro cracks in the microfiber haul are _WAY_ more dangerous to the structure because of the characteristics of MF. Micro cracks aren't wanted at all, but if they showed up in steel then at least the structure is still very strong. In micro fiber it's critical.
..and that commands common sense. Hard to understand. Sounds to me it was not a rare occursion, that one or two things were out of the ordinary with the titan...and therefore they came up with the three strikes rule. If you think about, that this might be the background, it becomes even more crazy.
My son is a flight line mechanic for one of the Air Force bases in town and if something's not right or even if they can't find a tool those planes don't fly
How dumb do you have to be to get into an uncertified under water tomb that can't be opened from the inside after signing a release form saying you may die on your joyride?
It's a good question. Most of the people on that sub should have known better - of the people who perished on the Titan, I think 3 of those men should have known better: Stockton Rush, Hamish Hardin, and P.H. Nargeolet. Of those 3, I think Stockton Rush has the most culpability for what happened - he was the one who was effectively leading OceanGate's attempts to convince people the Titan was safe when it truly wasn't. Hamish Harding was a billionaire adventurer and had done daring rich-man things before - your guess is as good as mine as to whether Hamish really thought Titan was safe. Maybe his travels with other underwater ventures should have told him that Stockton was cutting corners. From my understanding based on some interviews referencing P.H. Nargeolet, he *may* have had a sense that something was amiss but he told people that part of the reason he was associated with OceanGate at all was because he thought his own experiences in the ocean could help Rush and his team - he thought maybe he'd be able to help make sure they were exploring safely. We already know how much his advice helped. Of the other 2 men who died, it's hard to tell how "dumb" they were. Shazada Dawood was not an experienced billionaire adventurer like Harding, at least not to my knowledge. He was simply a billionaire who had the money to do daring and adventurous things. I don't know that he would have had the technical expertise and understanding to know why the Titan was so dangerous, but I suppose there's some amount of willful ignorance when you sign paperwork that says you could die. I get the sense his money let him do things he knew few people could, and as a result he may have willfully ignored signs of danger. His son Suleman, based on what I've read, seems to be the only truly blameless person on the vessel - not really old enough to know what questions to ask (as well as what warnings to heed), and no doubt trustful of his father. Bottom line: 4 of those people should have known to tell the 5th that this wasn't a trip he should be allowed to take.
Nargeolet Really should have known much better, it wasn't his first rodeo and he knew practically everyone in the deep sea diving community. Sad as it is (which of course I think it is), it might just a way of Titanic getting a bit of justice, Nargeolet is known for having participated in several Titanic dives where artifacts were taken without approval. He may even have been on one of (or all of, nobody knows) the completely undocumented expeditions that took the Crows Nest (which is simply missing).
@@ToreDL87 Holy crap, I didn't know about the theft of Titanic artifacts. If that is indeed the case with Nargeolet, thenI can't think of a greater irony than dying aboard the Titan.
The fact that Stockton recognizes that submarines are historically exceedingly safe, but has no cognitive dissonance dismissing the high safety standards of the industry, tells me he was actually quite a stupid man. An intelligent man can understand the how and why of the world around him, not just charge headlong into the unknown and call everyone else a coward.
You can both be intelligent and believe the current regime traps you in a system you didn't consent to. I personally don't like Social Security, and I am intelligent enough to easily save and invest and get 10 X or better returns on my payroll taxes, but there is no way in the current system to redirect your taxes to your own idea, and Stockton probably felt the same about safety regulations. It was only stupid in retrospect. The first 10 times he went down to the titanic he was a genius, its just that one time too many. Also, the sub had not been used in a while, so its possible that something happened to it in storage, and it was no longer fit to dive, and they didn't notice it.
@@sprinkle61 why are you talking about social security 😂 no one is saying it’s always smart to follow every rule, just that intelligent people understand why rules exist. Stockton didn’t understand that, and by the sound of it neither do you lol.
@@sprinkle61 No, he was stupid every time, because it was the same fundamentally flawed, regulation-dodging, safety-protocol-violating design, every time. He was stupid and *dead* the final time; but he was stupid every time, because it was a bad idea, executed poorly, in the face of decades of engineering telling him otherwise.
@@crimsondynamo615 Rapture wasn't a real place. Its rise and collapse has literally no significance, because it was all written as a narrative. A narrative that has far more to do with commentary on the failings of Randian, hypercapitalist philosophy then on the practical viability of an underwater city.
“When the sun extinguishes there will still be geo thermal vents underwater “ ok the guy has no clue, we sure he wanted to be an astronaut? He missed the whole sun expanding before it goes out?
There is a new world planned much better than this one. The sun and moon will no longer be needed as God and his son JESUS will bring a new Jerusalem down from heaven and it will be in Jerusalem. The lion and the lamb will lie down together and all eat grass. Humans will live on Earth. The old Earth is scheduled for destruction. This is all foretold in the Bible. See last chapter Revelations. It tells you about the giant war fought on the planes of Europe. How do you get to live in this better world when it happens become a Christian by admitting do wrong and sin, call on JESUS CHRIST to save you. That is the beginning. The holy spirit comes into your heart and start to change it to a heart like Gods. Good and faithful and forgiving and merciful. So hope abounds. We are not really material anyway but spiritual. This body is just a shell. You get a new one for the new world. Only way to get their and get in is by the name of JESUS CHRIST and do the above. No other way. God bless.
The Sun isn't big enough to explode. It will swell into a red giant (which will engulf the Earth and maybe Mars) then shrink into a white dwarf. You need at least 8 solar masses for the smallest super nova. We will get barbequed though. Edit: Misread the OP, said "expanding" not "exploding" - Don't comment two hours past your normal bed time kids.
Funny enough, it's way easier to build a spacecraft than submarine. Spacecraft doesn't need to handle any pressure, only radiation really. Tricky part is getting it into space and keeping it there.
Stockton seriously used the fact that safety regulations had kept submariners safe from serious injury for 35 years as his reason for not following them. The man was completely deluded.
Survivorship Bias. It's strangly common. It was even practiced by the US military throughout WWII when re engineering aircraft based on strike patterns.
That was the biggest red flag for me. Another way to say what he said: "For the last 35 years safety regulations have kept millions of lives safe under water. None of those regulations have passed on my sub."
Yet touts the safety of submarines, which do follow the rules, as an argument why HIS submarine was also safe. Hey submarines are super safe, they transport millions of people with barely any deaths, due to their strict safety regulations. Anyway, I build my own, and ignored those safety regulations, so come hop on, submarines are safe, so so is mine!
If he had gone solo on that fatal dive, we might view him as some sort of martyr or trailblazer. The fact that he convinced 4 other people to join him and ultimately kill them with his hubris and arrogance makes him a huge piece of sh*t. That 19 year old had his whole life ahead of him.
Agreed. If he had gone alone to pursue his dream he would be considered a trailblazer, the fact he took others with him under the guise of it being "a once in a lifetime experience" and charged them money is what makes this especially horrible. Yes, he had a release stating there were risks, but how many of us sign those types of releases everyday knowing what we are doing is 99.9% safe and the releases are just for that 0.1% chance something happens. He sold those people that this excursion was statistically safe.
@@wolpertingera5829 this comment is even more hilarious when you realise the Cyclops is named after the real life Cyclops sub made by OceanGate 😂 Like they even acknowledge the trademark in the games credits lol. (Commented this before it got the section about the fucking cyclops, goddamnit lol).
@@lighterflud nukes were still brand new when macarthur wanted to use them on the yalu river. i wouldnt say that makes him a dumb ass, he seemed more like a firebrand to me. We are lucky Truman and Eisenhower realized the awesome power of nukes and had the foresight to set a precedent for not using them willy nilly.
I’ve always liked the aviation expression “There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots” Guess that applies to submarine pilots as well.
I just pictured the ghosts in historical outfits walking around the ship and Stockton is just there in chinos trying to explain carbon fibre to a scullery maid
All the jokes aside, Stockton did ask one interesting question: "Could a carbon fibre hull work for depth diving." From an engineering and scientific perspective, this is an interesting question. It's just unfortunate that Rush and his team of cavalier cowboys, instead of a competent team of engineers and carbon fibre experts, took a swing at it. From what I've read, the carbon fibre winding that was used for the Titan hull was significantly weakened because of the single direction of the winding - it would have been stronger in a diamond pattern but that would have significantly increased cost (Stockton clearly was pennypinching) Hopefully some professionals take up this challenge and answer this question in the future
@@scroopynooperz9051 Not an expert afaik carbon fibre is really bad for this, no matter the shape it doesn't have the qualities that make metal good for subs. It's already an amazing material for other uses, leave it for those and make subs with titanium which is already good for this.
I recall a news story about an experienced submariner, David Lochridge who was fired from Oceangate because he was concerned the Oceangate submarine was not safe to take to the extreme depths where the Titanic wreck sits. Not so ironically this disaster happened just as feared by Mr. Lochridge. There were a few law suits and counter suits back and forth between Oceangate and Mr. Lochridge. In the end the submarine itself settled the argument and failed as Mr. Lochridge feared would happen.
@@radicaledwards3449 "In the end the submarine itself settled the argument and failed as Mr. Lochridge feared would happen." The sub failed, so the former employee was 100% right. The lawsuit was dropped. On top of that, Oceangate ceased all operations since last year.
"we partnered with.... Boeing for the design of our [submarine] hull." In light of recent events, this is an even more damning statement
Literally thought the same thing!
HELP I didn't even think abt that 😭
Aged well, eh ?!
and his glazing of elon, well two peas in a pod, hoping elon deigns to try out one of his own vehicles soon
@@starsixseven9259 that statement aged like, well, a Boeing.
Promotional video for the company : "safety, safe, safetied, safetiing, safted"
The dude who runs the company : "fuck safety"
22:30 That slipped "but" speaks volumes now!!!
@@geografiainfinitului good ear
@@geografiainfinitului Indeed, good ear
@@geografiainfinitului no it doesn't
"Submarines are statistically very safe" - Probably because of all those safety standards.... the ones he ignored.
A year later it is still mind boggling that they got as far as they did with fundamentally flawed decisions and logic. Carbon fiber as a material choice is the equivalent of a chocolate castle in a desert
My same exact though 😂
We've seen all the submarine movies . You don't go below the crush depth. The guage will label it red.
"Submarines are statistically very safe" - Said by a man who has no idea how many submariners have died in the past century.
"He's very intelligent"
Calling himself the "Elon Musk of the ocean" sure aged wonderfully.
"youre remembered for the rules you break"
oh boy was he ever
definitely wasnt wrong
@@82Catfish indeed
Did it occur to you that's exactly what he wanted?
there's a difference in breaking the rules of how stripes can flatter the female body and breaking the laws of physics and material science.
Man has the worst and most accurate quoteables in history
“It’s very engineered & very safe…”
_…but if anybody asks, you’re not a passenger. You’re a _*_crew member.”_*
🚩 🚩 🚩
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
the design is very human
A crewmate? ඞ
And here’s a waiver telling you that you will die and your family can’t sue us.
Which, btw, probably won’t help them in court.
@@firstNamelastName-ho6lvyes. It was always classified as an experimental sub. Experimental vessels cannot carry passengers.
i liked the bit where "the sun will extinguish" as basis for establishing under-ocean bases. Bruh, when the Sun does its thing, there won't be any oceans left :D
Ya. He was lauded as a golden boy his whole life so no one challenged anything he said, that’s how he got away with stating his bizarre take on physics/astrophysics .. and submarines
@@a.m.9474 That level of enabled incompetence is one of those man-made horrors that I cannot comprehend ☠
Right? Like the sun isn’t just gonna turn off, it’ll expand into a red giant and engulf the entire planet
Whether or not there will even be any Earth left after the sun swells up is up for debate.
@@nexaentertainment2764and for anyone who cares - as a hobby chemist/potter, I suspect the end game will be a ... big, glazed pot. Green/brown, semi transparent on the edges, and very sharp. Kind of like how they described Mandalore on that show except more dark. Here's some numbers.
We are 92M miles away, from the sun, which could become around 100M miles in diameter when it becomes a red giant. bit of a margin of error, but let's assume it will be 92 ish, ie the surface of the red giant will be very close to earth's orbit.
the red giants we know about, range between 4500-8500F at surface temp. Let's assume our sun will be the lower range of that.
The Earth has some pure molten metals in the center, but outside, its full of refractory oxides - alumina, silica, and trace metal oxides. The boiling point temperature for all of those is quite high, around 4000-6000F. If we stay below that temperature, we will essentially have a very long (millions of years) kiln firing of the entire planet, the ingredients of which .. add up to terracotta clay.
When you fire clay "as intended" it is fully opaque, but when you overfire it, it turns into a glassy obsidian substance (you can do this with an acetylene torch around 6000F).
If the clay doesn't have too much alumina and iron, it will be transparent, but the iron gives it a green hue (thanks to boron), blue (thanks to titanium and phosphorus) or just brown (oxygen.)
How i sleep when a billionare dies: 😴😴😴😴
Stockton was better suited to be a politician than an engineer. He totally believed his own BS.
his career took a deep dive
@@svr5423 He couldn’t handle the pressure.
He has suffered a crushing defeat.
We don't want anymore politics like this. I think he should be at home playing videogames.
Too bad the vessel design was kinda *Rushed*
when you're in something made of carbon fiber and you keep hearing popping noises... it isn't a mouse cracking its knuckles.
Audio damage control system be like: (if you hear strong cracks it is severely damaged and is about to sink, quite simple!)
Warning: maximum depth reached. Hull damage imminent.
its the grim reaper instead
That acoustic monitoring system was the most absurd safety feature they have. The moment even a single fibre broke, it means the strenght has been execeeded and shell is done for. On its max depth where it really matters, there is no way back from that single failing strand.
I bet the real story is they met a torpedo
Stockton died doing what he loved: cutting corners and ignoring the lessons learned by decades of engineers and explorers.
Very well said sir, I completely agree!
Mashed.
Too bad he brought others on his darwin award adventure
@@m.m.1933 they went willingly
@@m.m.1933 He was leaps and bounds more intelligent than you'll ever be.
Water and Billionaires don't mix... Fact
“Low budget submersible” is something you never want to hear when you’re about to get on a submersible.
Those ticket prices sure as heck weren't "low budget." Someone should have reinvested in his business. Could have had multi million dollar subs created by a total think tank of mental giant engineers which would have made his business safer and far more sustainable. And ultimately over time far more profitable.
The man indeed had those billion dollar clients, all the more to reinvest in his equipment.
I mean...a PS1 controller?
Low budget, submersible, Flyng vehicle, high speed vehicle.
HELL Motorcycles are low budged vehicles, and you know how dangetous they are.
Yep. Like budget condom but with the opposite effect - fewer people rather than more.
Yes Affordable, Low Budget, or Discount are words you never want in the same sentence with the word submarine.
Boeing disagrees
When you want to remove the fence, ask why it was placed there in the first place.
Most of the time, the answer will be to leave it alone.
The bull hasn't maimed people for years, why even have a fence
@@KingStr0ng and that's the problem education not gatekeeping is what we need to focus on.
@@adamsmiths3016 It's not gatekeeping to stop someone from risking the lives of multiple people. That's called justice.
I don't think removing the fence was the issue. The issue was they never really tested the submersible. They should have made it do like 100+ downs then ups, then cut the thing in half and examined it. Engineers at the company wanted to do that, but were told it would be too expensive. There's nothing wrong with innovating, they just weren't checking their work. If you look at like a spaceX rocket, they're doing crazy new things, and destructively test vehicles to find out what to fix next. Oceangate could have done something similar and created a truly innovative vehicle. I'm sure the final thing would have been quite a bit more reinforced than the Titan, but it would have been safer. Oh well.
"Stockton didn't like titanium"
Probably because quotes for titanium casting this size were about ten times the price ...
Even more, as he used Expired Aviation Epoxy for his Carbon Fiber Hull...
Why use titaium when carbon fiber is cheaper! 💥
@@StocktonCrushedd Paper mache.
No one makes titanium casting this big, so it would have to be made from many parts. I think the grid fins on Falcon 9 is the largest single piece of titanium manufactured.
@@StocktonCrusheddlove the name lmfao
Music is annoying.
He broke the rules, and then broke most of the molecular bonds of his body.
He might still reassemble like Dr Manhattan, who'd be laughing then?
Oh those bonds weren’t “broke”. They were compressed 😂
LMAO! 🤣
@@DrewPWeenie1 I haven't run the numbers, but I presume that that type of rapid compression would have briefly brought the temperature of their remains up at least 800C where, yes, molecular bonds are going to break.
@@firstnamelastname9918 I haven’t thought of that. Haha. I was a little lit earlier (chemo). At 6000 psi… yeah I’d probably say you’re correct after thinking about it for a bit hahaha.
there's something so eerie about watching a man talk on his own hubris knowing he's been just.. vaporized. like my brain can't make that make sense almost
Same honestly, there's something so strange about it. This man we are seeing in this video is dead, and my brain struggles to comprehend that.
@@imhonestlyjustsoconfused that’s the way it goes!
Just makes you almost wish he was somehow able to see how foolish he looks now, I would've been happier if he wasn't on the sub when it exploded so he could deal with the fallout from this disaster, and see how his narcissism and hubris killed people
It's not that he's dead. It's that we know how he died. @@imhonestlyjustsoconfused
These people don't care. If they did they wouldn't have done it in the first place. He'd have just blamed someone else and moved on. I just wish he was alone, those people he dragged with him were the real victims. @@oliverfrots9300
I love how he always brings up how statistically safe subs are but proudly ignores the rules that make them safe
And never mentioned that none go that deep
fr he's a businessman selling a product first and foremost wearing the skin of an engineer
Also fails to elaborate that commercial subs fall into two categories - shallow water for engineering or tourism, and deep water scientific, and they're worlds apart in terms of design, cost, and usage.
What he tried to do was bodge the first category design and build into the second category usage.
The bit that kinda baffles me a little is the passengers who never thought 'I wonder why this doesn't look anywhere near as substantial or over built as James Cameron's one?"
He conveniently leaves out the part where none of those subs were made of carbon fiber.
@duncanhamilton584 the entire premise of the company was to introduce deep sea tourism. To be profitable you have to take enough passengers. There are too many reasons to explain here why the traditional titanium sphere submersible cannot be built large enough to accommodate enough passengers.
The irony of him being the person to break the statistic of submarines being the safest vehicles on the planet.
Man...
"Safety is just pure waste" is one of the scariest phrases you could hear when planning to take a trip into the ocean.
Ocean trip? Hell I'd be worried if someone said that while cooking on a stove.
The full quote is generally reasonable. Yes, every action in life is a risk-reward analysis, and the only way to absolutely minimize risk is to never leave your bed. You take a risk taking a shower, you take a risk cooking, leaving the house, etc etc. All completely true, at some point safety is just pure waste. Where he failed was at the part of "breaking all the rules being just as safe." The goal should be more efficiently follow the idiot-proofing rules, not throw them out...
@@randomlynamed3353Handling scissors, also.
He’s such a typical billionaire lol
@@giin97 yeah, exactly my thought: how can a guy be that smart, and not even realize the faulitness in his own "as safe while breaking the rules" analogy...? driving a car, there is always a rest of risk, yes. but it is lowered BY FOLLOWING THE RULES!!!! how on earth do you want to make it "as safe while breaking" if FOLLOWING the rules IS THE THING that makes it less dangerous????????? PRINCETON FFS!!!!!!!
He wasn't building a coffin, he built a pressure-powered molecular disintegrator.
haha😂😂
and he god damn succeeded
DNA mixer?
Behold! The billionaire implosion-inator!
😢
Jinxed themselves the moment they added "Gate" at the end lol
finally someone who picked up on it haha
Underrated comment 👏
when this first happened i didn’t realize it was the companies name and not the name of the incident
Part 2
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He also called the vessel Titan
Just cuz you're smart don't mean you're not stupid.
His name even sounds like a bioshock antagonist
He even wanted to have cities underwater at 2:49
Literally just Rapture
"Did you mean Rupture or Rapture?"
"Yes."
Good one.
Tonstock
Funfact: Richard Stockton Rush the third (yeah, that's his full name) was an decendet of the Founding Fathers Richard Stockton and Benjamin Rush.
It’s ironic that a sub named titan failed because of a lack of titanium.
💯
While diving to the titanic
ironic that it's no titan size either
"Sheer fucking hubris."
you could also say it’s because Stockton _Rushed_ it. 😎🤏
Bro really said “at some point safety is a pure waste” when dealing with 1000s lbs of pressure 😂
Doesn't mean that's not a true statement though. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns when it comes to safety measures. There is also a point where the "safety gains" are so minuscule relative to the cost increase that it becomes pure waste. This is true in just about any industry one can think of.
Bro didn't meet the point of safety bringing diminishing returns, he's at the point of no returns from the bottom of the ocean.
OSHA gets in the way of progress.
@@Withlovefrominterentwhat are you talking about. In what sector would this be true ? Safety rules always stem from previous faults. That’s why the rules were developed. Dude broke the first rule of engineering thinking he knew more than he actually did. Saying your an expert in aerospace is the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. I’m an aerospace engineer and I know little to nothing about aerospace.
@Withlovefrominterent better not be wrong about where that point is though....
Background music is awful
"At some point, safety is just pure waste." Should be written on Rush's tombstone.
He doesn’t need a tombstone. There’s nothing to bury.
@@molybdomancer195
Good enough joke, I guess, but lots of tombstones don't always oversee a buried corpse; including the cremated deceased
The fact that his holy grail of safety was the "hull monitoring system" when the failure mode would be so fast you'd never even get the message the hull was failing.
@@nicholasleclerc1583 Often, cremated remains are buried with a headstone.
Ironically Titanic is his tombstone.
"Statistically, the safest vehicles on the planet."
He made it his mission to disprove this statement...
😂😭😭😭
The safest vehicle on the planet is my sister's bike. She never rides it.
15 million people have gone on Subs? Is he talking about like tours and Museum submarines?😂😂
If that isn't just a made up statistic it is entirely due to those safety regs he so casually scoffed at.
@@kylemiller2920 Yeah i think its hilarious that if you say that theres a 0% of volcano deaths here so its fine if you jump into the volcano.
Submersibles are statistically the safest vehicle on the planet
Stockton Rush - hold my beer
Because of all the safeguards that are put in place, and how inaccessible it is to stupid people. Same reason aviation is safe
Yeah, when he started yammering on about how safe subs are, all I thought was "tell that to the U-boat crews". The submarine fleet had one of the highest mortality rates of any job in the war, where 8 out of every 10 men who joined the Kreigsmarine to fight on a u-boat would end up dead.
Hell, there are several post-war incidents involving submarines where something went wrong and the whole crew went down with the ship.
The perfect example of, "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."
@@no-legjohnny3691 U-boat fatality rates are a poor statistic to pull from seeing as war deaths =/= maintenance and QA problems
Soviet/Russian Navy - hold my beer
26:17 THE NARUTO OST 😂😂
4:43 "In the last 35 years there hasn't been any serious injuries with subs."
"Let's change that!"
Actually a year before this tragedy, one millitary submarine of Indonesia malfunctioned and imploded, killed all crew on it.
@@superspies32 that's horrible
@@superspies32 True, but to be fair Stockton Rush specified 'no private or commercial sub'
Wasn't there a Chinese sub that broke down under the sea a little while before this happened?
@@superspies32 There was also an Argentinian sub lost a few years prior in 2017 and an Indian sub in 2013. Then there was the Kursk disaster at the beginning of the 2000's. That is beside the minor incidents (e.g. subs running aground in shallow waters or surfacing below ships), that didn't cause hull loses.
If someone building a SUB?! says with full confidence "at some point safety is just a waste" you will never find me or anyone I love in that sub. That is a man who has not defeated his ego. This disaster was inevitable with an attitude like that. Especially with something so complicated.
I mean, it's a true statement, though. We do risky things every day, the biggest one being driving. It's one of the top killers, yet we do it. And even for free time activities, going to concerts is dangerous. Skydiving is dangerous. Hiking is dangerous. Going on a vacation is dangerous. There's a lot of things we do that have a little bit of elevated risk, something you can't account for, or something that would be exceedingly expensive to account for (e.g. we could make cars almost perfectly safe if we limit the speeds to 15mph everywhere! But that's not acceptable in most people's eyes, right?)
But obviously Rush miscalculated the risk of his submarine, ironically with the one part that really needed to be safe, that he knew needed to be safe.
@@MeMe-gm9di personally I despise cars and think it'd be great if the US would get on the train train already.. so arguing about "we do it anyway" is a lil silly. we "do it anyway" because the oil and gas industry have us by the short hairs. but it's true, we do an awful lot that the average person never considers to be unsafe, because it's standard.
Submersible... Submarines are autonomous vehicles, submersibles, like the Titan, are not. They require a platform to launch from and return to.
@@peachy_lili I mean, cars kill people in basically every country in the world. Though I do get your point, of course. I would love to limit cars, especially around humans, quite a lot! Limiting traffic to 15mph within city boundaries, if that was actually reliably enforced, would be a tradeoff I'd make.
But the argument still stands! Currently, there's no political will for that.
Totally agree
I love how cocky he was. Like "nobody has thought to cut costs before, I'm an unparalled genius for thinking of this!"
This was his second attempt, after being incredibly confident he could probably just hold his breath wayyyyyy longer than 'none genius' humans - and simply swim down to the Titanic.
It wasn't just that. He was trash talking all of the other sub builders about their materials choice while spewing BS. I don't understand how he had engineering partners and they decided to go with a material that needed to be in tension to work and that would fatigue.
@@nicolethomas1674 Money is a great motivator. As long as the paycheck is huge and they are not forced to participate in the ride you will always find people ready to built death traps.
It’s like to cut costs during your brain surgery is it worth it? You can buy cheaper cereal but some things can’t be skimped on
People with that much money live in a different universe where actions cannot have consequences that money cannot solve. Unfortunately, the ocean will not accept a bribe to delay crushing you into a human bread ball, and he probably genuinely hadn't thought of this until the Wii mote ran out of batteries.
His denial, delusion, arrogance and hubris is beyond astounding.
When you're a billionaire surrounded by yes men, you start to believe you're truly exceptional
Whole industry fueled by his ego
His name was Stockton, he was in a rush
He built quickly and poorly, told experts to hush
Only the controller survived the imposive crush
Good one 😂😂
Reads like a Cuphead game over screen
And now all their family n friends, miss them very much....
ey Macklemore is here.
@@J_Dubya87 As their loved ones have all been turned to mush...
The captions are hilarious.
"In 1912, the Titanic claimed 1500 lives (APPLAUSE)"
omg 😄
stuff like this is what makes me think AI gaining some form of concious of their own would be bad lmao
@@Robert_D_Mercer why? you dont want the ai to have a bit of humor?
1504 lives now lol
@@ChristopherPortorreal-ol2mj Oh yeah, touche!
" We got advisement from Boeing ..."
Hooooo-boy, that's some dark foreshadowing
What happened?
@@DoNotLookHerePlzBoeing is what happed 🫥
@@DoNotLookHerePlz Search "boeing planes falling apart"
@@DoNotLookHerePlz Look at Boeing's incompetence and track record.
@DoNotLookHerePlz Boeing is killing people who are blowing the whistle on their corruption and incompetence.
What a pointless video. Good click bait I guess. Nothing new or interesting than was covered in many videos last year. You actually covered a lot less than other people did. I thought I had pressed next video by mistake when it was over. I thought more than 50% was left.
I like how they consulted nothing but aerospace and flight engineers. Kinda the opposite direction.
FOR REAL😭😭
If the submarine works, he would be deemed genius for thinking non-linearly, defying the conventional. However, genius has limits, stupidity has none.
Wasn't it proven that they didn't work with NASA or Boeing anyway?
@@windws7137😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 NPC
There is a Futurama scene where their spaceship is being pulled underwater and the professor says “dear lord that is 150 atm of pressure” and Fry asks “how many atm it can take” and the professor answers “its a spaceship so anywhere between 0 and 1”
Rush is legitimately responsible for the negligent homicide of those passengers. Him being smug while saying “submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet” and then deciding that all of these safety measures are unnecessary is proof that he’s nowhere near as smart as he thought he was. Almost every story about the Titanic focuses on the hubris of man and the proclamation that it’s “unsinkable.” Not once did he appreciate the irony of his own ego.
They *were* the safest vehicles on the planet until he came along.
its pretty ironic to claim they were the safest when he himself disregards the very safety measures that made these subs the safest
Pretty sure he lost any intelligent credibility when he said "When The Sun extinguishes, there will still be Hydrothermal vents".
Correct.
Well said.
Whaat? Did he say “when the sun extinguishes there will still be thermal vents”. Because when the sun goes out there won’t be an earth left as it has extended out beyond earth and has vaporized it. For such a smart guy he was pretty dumb.
Dude I also had to stop the video to admire that absolute brain dead take of his
Bold of you to assume he was smart, when we have clear evidence of the contrary.
@@bag-manbaron2547 Yeah saying something like that is equivalent to saying "don't fly too close to the sun with Icarus wings, else you get burned". That's just inviting bad omen before a maiden voyage. Definitely not smart.
This is what we learned in 5th grade science. I remember it, because when I was that young, I was absolutely petrified of death - so learning that the sun will, one day, destroy the earth....that lesson stuck.
@@Anna_Stetik Don't worry, I am sure we will have managed to go extinct by then several times over.
I kind of agree with what stockton said about saftey being waste, but not pure waste and not in a scenerio where you are travelling 12,500 feet under water and being under 12,500 feet of water pressure
“When I started the business old timers told me I was nuts.”
There’s a reason they are old timers, sir. They followed the rules and *lived* long enough to *be* old.
LMAOOOOOO I love this comment. I stg!
Reminds me of a saying my uncle, who's a retired pilot, would say: You get old pilots and you get bold pilots, but you rarely get old bold pilots
@@SpoopySquid I've heard that saying. I can't remember who first said it but that's irrelevant. It's still very true!
@@SpoopySquid oh that's SO good
@@SpoopySquid Another good saying: "Be wary of an old man in a business where men die young". It doesn't 100% fit here, but I just really like that saying.
Subs are statistically the safest vehicles on earth WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE SAFETY REGULALATIONS 😂😂
I love he added the caveat of commercial Submarines which are few and far between. The Navies of the world have and still do bear the brunt of submarine fatalities.
They're statistically the safest because there is significantly less of them and experts control them.
Put as many subs as there are cars in the ocean and let regular men and women control them, and they'll be the most unsafe.
"Subs are statistically the safest vehicles on earth" ... but our sub is nothing like them - and breaks (not just the rules).
"So many rules and regulations" paired with "no sub fatalities in years" really starts to make sense in hindsight.
@@Blxz It truly amazes me when people see an activity with low rates of injury or death while also having a lot of regulations and rather than assume the regulations keep them safe, they assume the regulations must be unnecessary.
The flight of Icarus, in the opposite direction, with passengers.
He fucked around and found out
Fr
That’s just what I was thinking
He messed around, ignored safety warnings and found out the hard way WHY these safety measures were there in the first place. I mean, a video game console???
The OceanGate people failed for the same reason Enron did: they were smart enough to get around the rules but not wise enough to realize why the rules were there in the first place.
Just like Captain Smith ignored safety warnings on Titanic, so did Stockham Rush on the Titan
Rush knew the dangers involved but insisted on using his unproven design, I'm guessing because it was quite a bit lighter than steel- But as we found out also weaker than steel. Of course when lives are on the line you MUST go with a tried & true design. Period.
One doesn’t simply defy the laws of physics
Beautifully put
@@davinp Captain Smith did not ignore safety warnings. Learn some History.
I hate that he never even got to learn his lesson. He went to the grave thinking he was smarter than everyone else, and he dragged the rest of the people in that sub down with him.
It’s more likely than not that he was aware that the hull was failing in the moments before he died. There was a hill failure alarm that detected damage. He had at least a few moments of terror and seeing the terror on the face of his innocent victims. It would have sounded crazy, like thousands of glass shards smashing. Loud and terrifying.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143most failures under pressure that extreme are catastrophic and occur in a fraction of a fraction of a second. They were almost certainly liquified before the alarm could even trigger.
Boeing has Astronauts stranded in Space now. Waiting.
@@philhiller-mn1gw Nope. The astronauts aren't really stranded. It's an intentional decision to stay in space and try to collect evidence of why they have a leak, so their next build can improve. But they don't need to fix anything to be able to return.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143 It's possible, but given that he apparently had heard cracking noises during dives before and completely ignored them, it's equally possible his last words were dismissing their concerns and insisting everything was going as planned.
Hard to believe this guy had an engineering degree. The level of disregard for data and professional practices is stunning.
I'm just a chemical engineer but even I know that carbon fiber works great for tensile loads but is weak in terms of compression and shear stress a sub would experience underwater. It's great for gas bottles, maybe it's good for spacecraft but it's not supposed to go into a sumbarine. Also I don't get the problem with weight to buoancy ratio he speaks of. Why even care? Some styrofoam floaters cost nothing. You could even make a submarine using steel. It would be extremelely thick, heavy and big but it's possible.
@@alexmin4752 Styrofoam would deform too much.
Also, the bigger problem with carbon fibers is that it's not an homogeneous material and it's very hard to test its aging and imperfection accurately.
probably paid for it instead of earning it
The competency crisis will accelerate
A degree isn't proof of intelligence or competence, it's just proof that some place gave you a degree, which usually means just remembering the list of things they want you to remember long enough to regurgitate answers for a test. Or it could mean that your parents simply had enough money/influence to get it for you.
I don’t think he really understood how immense 6,000 psi is. He’s talking about strength to buoyancy when he should have been thinking more about strength to time.
or just strength. nothing is more important than making sure your vessel doesnt collapse.
This is a stupid comment. The guy was a Princeton graduate and very intellectually gifted, but somehow this video gets flooded with a sea of redditors, being probably one of the stupidest breed of human beings alive, coming in to joke about how stupid he is or how they know better. The guys' calculations worked, he made 13 successful trips to the titanic ffs, what he didn't account for is how the psi would induce heavy wear and tear on the carbon pressure vessel. I'm assuming this is because the data on this phenomenon was not readily available. But to act like the guy was an idiot is truly peak dumbfuckery that only redditors can accomplish.
I love how Rush called the experts "old timers" as if he's a spring chicken.
But he's different tho! He's the special one lmao
yes the horror that is old white men
Just pure arrogance on his part. He was trying to disparage the actual experts in this field by suggesting they are too old to accept new advances in materials and mechanics. Turns out they were right.
@@misscleo378 Pure truth right there.
@@JamesDBlanc Yeah. He is different. He's in a million pieces at the bottom of the ocean being eaten by marine animals. Along with his 4 victims I might add.
This guy stated how the rules for safety were too strict but then also leveraged how no accidents had occurred for years because of those same rules.
Uplifting to know submarine rules have reached a golden state where, if you follow them, you can be at ease that they'll be safe. This man reminded everyone why the rules were so strict.
Lol!
Good point.
Regulations are written in blood. There’s a good reason those rules were put in place and if you don’t want to find out why, you better follow them.
Yes, he maintained submarines were relatively safe vehicles yet abandoned the many regulations in his own sub that would include it in that safe group. Moron.
Innovating expensive ways to die. Tragic.
"Partnered with Boeing"
Ohhhh... oh no...
What's wrong with Boeing
@@leiii05 what rocks are you living under?
@@JayJay-ki4mi the type that is not aware of boeing I'm genuinely asking bro
@@leiii05 The FAA let Boeing certify its own plane, the 737 Max, which led to an undiagnosed MCAS system flaw that crashed Lion Air 610 in October 2018 and Ethiopian Airlines 302 in March 2019, losing all souls on board both aircraft. The Max was subsequently grounded for 20 months. Boeing's safety culture is currently being probed by US Congress after Alaska Airlines 1282 had a plug door ripped off the fuselage due to incorrect installation.
@leiii05 they've become a manufacturer that doesn't care at all about the safety of their passengers or flight crews. Their 737MAX is a coffin with wings and engines way too big for it.
He said this after around 80 people died in a Argentinian submarine a couple years ago. I served on submarines for around 8 years and I agree that they are safer than most people would think. But the kicker is when something goes any bit wrong on a sub, it goes very wrong.
I was thinking the same, and it was a military sub non the less!
44 dead, not 80
yeah the second I saw that (I had never seen that speech before) I understood just how deep his hubris went. Subs are used mainly by militaries, with trained people who follow strict rules. Not by the common man every day. Rhe fact he thought crash/casualty rates were comparable between the most common means of transportation versus a fucking submarine. is just ignorance. It's like people who think the A10 has a hogh Blue on Blue rate. Is it high? Yes, it is. Now compare it to planes that routinely called in to help soldiers with munitions within a hundred feet of soldiers. It's not comparable.
And you know, all those pesky regulations that Rush ignored might have been there for a reason, regulations are written in blood, the fact that they're safe is because of how strict the rules for them are.
As argentine i can tell you our submarine was imploded because of the disrepair and corruption all these sailors died sadly
There is so much corporate speech in this video, I grew a 3-piece suit over the viewing
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As long as it’s benign.
Really is. It is nauseating to hear. Modern day snake oil salesmen.
I now want to see Paul Allens business card.
Oceangategate - the biggest scandal since Watergategate.
the mental whiplash i got when i realized it actually was a year ago
The construct of time seems to be dissipating, as well as the “veil”. I deeply resonate with the saying truth is stranger than fiction
I know, I remember talking about it as if it was yesterday. How time flies
Totally with you. I was gobsmacked when I saw news that it was the 1 year anniversary. Where TF did the last year go?
Felt like 2 years to me
To me, it feels like time is accelerating even though I know it's supposed to be a constant
Whoa - when he says "There hasnt been an injury on any commercial vessel even though 15 million have gone down in them"-- note how he tries to rely on the safety of all the previously proven and certified conventionally built TITANIUM subs who had no problems to make his own craft seem safe - what a sneaky way to try and make your own UNCERTIFIED vessel seem safe - what a blatantly deceptive arrogant jerk playing with others lives. Also I dont think 15 million people have been that deep before as he claimed.
Yeah lol. Imagine buying a new car and saying that because your vehicle has had zero accidents, you can drive at 200km/h and not crash
But ask yourself how they got the number of 15 million... Probably by including "submersibles" like the 4 that operated at West Edmonton Mall for 20 years. Not really comparable.
He even came up with the excuse that the over 50 something year olds with 20+ years of experience in like the NAVY or maritime stuff wasn't "inspirational" to him. which means ANYONE with experience took one look at that thing LAUGHED hysterical and said HELL NO.
A nice mix of a little gaslighting and a lot of fraud
The reason deep sea submersibles are as safe as Stockton was proclaiming them to be, is because of the very regulation he was trying to get around.
Did he really think submersibles and the deep sea were naturally harmless??
Engineers don’t say, “safety is waste”
That would be more of a capitalist ethos. Which is what he was.
@@bellsTheorem1138 yeah
@@bellsTheorem1138 Ah yes, cause Communism is famous for promoting safety. coughchernobylcough
I'm not sticking up for Stockton, nor think it was a good idea to dive more than once in the titan.. But a lot of the safety these days is from people who clearly lack common sense
@@majorramsey3k regulation is the alternative. You dont have to immediately run to communism.
Ahhh yes.... carbon fiber...... the stuff you can put on cars and that arrows are made of plus many other stuff that should not be tested in the ocean at extreme depths.
"There has been x dives with no accidents and it's the safest form of transport. Therefore we won't bother with safety, compliance or certification and the law of averages will ensure we are safe"
Rush didn't think each of those dives strained his janky carbon fiber hull actually increasing the risk for each dive
That guy was so FOS.😂.At least now CF hopefully will never again be used for a deep sea sub pressure vessel. The CF was gone from that debris that came up.vaporized. 🫣🫣🫣
@@MrKrewie To the contrary he apparently believed that each crackle sound that it made on every dive, was the weak fibers breaking so it was getting stronger. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Lol yeah, that's the great irony. The fact that it had been so safe was due to the stringent safety standards, a safety record that he is then using to justify not upholding those standards.
@@steveo601 we all know the carbon fiber decided to just give up when Rush cheaped out and used a knock off logitech controller instead of the ps3 controller
"If we mess it up, there's not a lot of recovery". He got that part right.
Bro was like: there hasn’t been a submarine accident in 50 years. Lemme change that.
Stockton: “There hasn’t been an accident in 50 years.”
Ocean: “Aight bet”
If memory serves, Both India and Argentina (Maybe Chile ) have lost subs in the last decade.
@@johnvesper989 the kursk was not that long ago either
@@KLanio-lr8yv true
And I succeeded 😁💥
This is one of the most in-depth documentaries of the story of Ocean Gate that I've ever seen. Why did it get unlisted?
Oceangate, specifically the Titanic expeditions, is a great study on why safety is more than just a set of "rules." Safety is a culture, whether it's on a job site or at the bottom of the ocean, and a failure to uphold that can and will cost lives. Stockton Rush is a testament to what happens when arrogance meets ignorance.
What aggravates me is that this egotistical ceo will never hear an "i told you so"
He will if there's an afterlife
I like to imagine he did when that sub started to crack.
I feel like turning into a homogenous paste is enough of an "I told you so", to be fair.
@@josh___somethingnot really: remember that half the reason religion exists is people really HATE the idea that people they don’t like won’t KNOW they messed up…that evil people can “get away with it”
@@bitharne I repeat, getting turned into fine paste doesn't feel like "getting away with this"
"It looks like it's built together with a piece of string, but its not obviously. " that's literally what carbon filter composite is lol
Carbon fibre is exactly that a fibre it gets it's strength when combined with other composites ie epoxy resin
@@andyjasso3050 They used the 5 minute gorilla glue from Lowe’s
@@andyjasso3050 Not only that, but it's useless when it comes to compression stress. Carbon fiber is unbelievably durable, but for tensile strength only.
@@WobblesandBeanjust look at the new cars with carbon wheels, they always crack under heavy compression
Also, from my understanding, the deal with carbon fiber is that it's not as easy to find flaws or cracks in the haul unlike steel.
On steel hauls they can use X-ray sensors as well as other methods to find micro cracks withIN the steel itself, cracks that might not be visible on the surface but is present within the metal itself.
I also heard that basically the very first dive is pretty much the strongest the haul is ever going to be (with microfiber), but after repeated dives ANY micro cracks in the microfiber haul are _WAY_ more dangerous to the structure because of the characteristics of MF.
Micro cracks aren't wanted at all, but if they showed up in steel then at least the structure is still very strong. In micro fiber it's critical.
click bait video
My guy literally wanted to build Rapture
bro thought he was in bioshock, but he was in iron lung instead
@@devonsquatch Lmao this is perfect!
Or in this case fontaine from Genshin impact
th-cam.com/video/VIwC9_VCZCY/w-d-xo.html
But got Rupture
When Your Midlife Crisis Goes Wrong.
I feel guilty, but that did make me laugh! 🫢 He should’ve just gotten the red convertible!
When your midlife crisis becomes an endlife crisis
The three strikes rule is crazy…I fly helicopters for a living, if ONE thing is out of the ordinary I don’t fly until that’s fixed.
..and that commands common sense. Hard to understand. Sounds to me it was not a rare occursion, that one or two things were out of the ordinary with the titan...and therefore they came up with the three strikes rule.
If you think about, that this might be the background, it becomes even more crazy.
Don't you have MEL?
Oh that’s y they killed him , like he said we so busy looking in space y not the ocean and 👀
My son is a flight line mechanic for one of the Air Force bases in town and if something's not right or even if they can't find a tool those planes don't fly
@@yaboyluhant7374this is why we don't...the pressure...its easier to explore space 😂😂😂
The Naruto battle music 😂😂
How dumb do you have to be to get into an uncertified under water tomb that can't be opened from the inside after signing a release form saying you may die on your joyride?
Never underestimate the combined power of ego, ignorance, and money.
It's a good question. Most of the people on that sub should have known better - of the people who perished on the Titan, I think 3 of those men should have known better: Stockton Rush, Hamish Hardin, and P.H. Nargeolet. Of those 3, I think Stockton Rush has the most culpability for what happened - he was the one who was effectively leading OceanGate's attempts to convince people the Titan was safe when it truly wasn't. Hamish Harding was a billionaire adventurer and had done daring rich-man things before - your guess is as good as mine as to whether Hamish really thought Titan was safe. Maybe his travels with other underwater ventures should have told him that Stockton was cutting corners. From my understanding based on some interviews referencing P.H. Nargeolet, he *may* have had a sense that something was amiss but he told people that part of the reason he was associated with OceanGate at all was because he thought his own experiences in the ocean could help Rush and his team - he thought maybe he'd be able to help make sure they were exploring safely. We already know how much his advice helped.
Of the other 2 men who died, it's hard to tell how "dumb" they were. Shazada Dawood was not an experienced billionaire adventurer like Harding, at least not to my knowledge. He was simply a billionaire who had the money to do daring and adventurous things. I don't know that he would have had the technical expertise and understanding to know why the Titan was so dangerous, but I suppose there's some amount of willful ignorance when you sign paperwork that says you could die. I get the sense his money let him do things he knew few people could, and as a result he may have willfully ignored signs of danger. His son Suleman, based on what I've read, seems to be the only truly blameless person on the vessel - not really old enough to know what questions to ask (as well as what warnings to heed), and no doubt trustful of his father.
Bottom line: 4 of those people should have known to tell the 5th that this wasn't a trip he should be allowed to take.
Nargeolet Really should have known much better, it wasn't his first rodeo and he knew practically everyone in the deep sea diving community.
Sad as it is (which of course I think it is), it might just a way of Titanic getting a bit of justice, Nargeolet is known for having participated in several Titanic dives where artifacts were taken without approval.
He may even have been on one of (or all of, nobody knows) the completely undocumented expeditions that took the Crows Nest (which is simply missing).
@@ToreDL87 Holy crap, I didn't know about the theft of Titanic artifacts. If that is indeed the case with Nargeolet, thenI can't think of a greater irony than dying aboard the Titan.
The Titan may be a bad example but thats literally how discoveries are and were made. Calling them "joyrides" is pretty ridiculous...
"I’d like to be remembered as an innovator." Sorry Stockton, history will remember you as a reckless murderer.
He probably won’t be remembered
@@gusiii864He's on the Titanic Wiki page; this tales's got -legs- flippers.
@@gusiii864🎉🎉🎉
I always think “Oh yeah, that moron.”
@@gusiii864shit I had forgotten about it until I saw the thumbnail
You may ignore the laws of man, you cannot ignore the laws of physics. No amount of arrogance will overcome that.
Unless you're Homer Simpson
It is clear that he wasn't Homer Simpson@@MavHunter20XX
Fact
The laws of science are too strong. Thats why people fighting biology in today’s world are not what they say they are
@@TheBeggies95LOL.
He took the whole outside the box thing too literally
The fact that Stockton recognizes that submarines are historically exceedingly safe, but has no cognitive dissonance dismissing the high safety standards of the industry, tells me he was actually quite a stupid man. An intelligent man can understand the how and why of the world around him, not just charge headlong into the unknown and call everyone else a coward.
You can both be intelligent and believe the current regime traps you in a system you didn't consent to. I personally don't like Social Security, and I am intelligent enough to easily save and invest and get 10 X or better returns on my payroll taxes, but there is no way in the current system to redirect your taxes to your own idea, and Stockton probably felt the same about safety regulations. It was only stupid in retrospect. The first 10 times he went down to the titanic he was a genius, its just that one time too many. Also, the sub had not been used in a while, so its possible that something happened to it in storage, and it was no longer fit to dive, and they didn't notice it.
@@sprinkle61Most intelligent libertarian
@@sprinkle61 why are you talking about social security 😂 no one is saying it’s always smart to follow every rule, just that intelligent people understand why rules exist. Stockton didn’t understand that, and by the sound of it neither do you lol.
@@sprinkle61 No, he was stupid every time, because it was the same fundamentally flawed, regulation-dodging, safety-protocol-violating design, every time.
He was stupid and *dead* the final time; but he was stupid every time, because it was a bad idea, executed poorly, in the face of decades of engineering telling him otherwise.
@@lyinarbaeldeth2456 It's not stupid if it works so wrong there. He only became stupid that last time
"I want to be remembered for the rules I've broken." Goal achieved.
He's going to be remembered for the rules he forcefully created his dumbass is the reason why we have rules
*task failed succesfully*
Excellent
And the lives also.
_a finger curls on the monkey's paw_
"there will be cities underwater"
me having played bioshock: that's not a good idea mate!
Best ye 'and over all yer ADAM mate
Best part is in bioshock 2 we find rapture has collapsed. Was not meant to last.
@@crimsondynamo615 dude...
rapute has collapsed before first bioshock
that's how atlas managed to make his attack on new years eve
Underwater city will always be cooler than a sky city.
@@crimsondynamo615 Rapture wasn't a real place. Its rise and collapse has literally no significance, because it was all written as a narrative. A narrative that has far more to do with commentary on the failings of Randian, hypercapitalist philosophy then on the practical viability of an underwater city.
Love the Bleach music at the end
“When the sun extinguishes there will still be geo thermal vents underwater “ ok the guy has no clue, we sure he wanted to be an astronaut? He missed the whole sun expanding before it goes out?
I was just about to comment that 😂
Yeah I think he'd make a pretty poor astronaut as he was an engineer for submersibles
I think he may have been confusing Star Trek with a documentary. Gave up once he realised there were no Martian Babes around.
There is a new world planned much better than this one. The sun and moon will no longer be needed as God and his son JESUS will bring a new Jerusalem down from heaven and it will be in Jerusalem. The lion and the lamb will lie down together and all eat grass. Humans will live on Earth. The old Earth is scheduled for destruction. This is all foretold in the Bible. See last chapter Revelations. It tells you about the giant war fought on the planes of Europe. How do you get to live in this better world when it happens become a Christian by admitting do wrong and sin, call on JESUS CHRIST to save you. That is the beginning. The holy spirit comes into your heart and start to change it to a heart like Gods. Good and faithful and forgiving and merciful.
So hope abounds. We are not really material anyway but spiritual. This body is just a shell. You get a new one for the new world.
Only way to get their and get in is by the name of JESUS CHRIST and do the above. No other way. God bless.
GOD is the light. Much brighter than the sun. Reason do not need one.
The Sun isn't big enough to explode. It will swell into a red giant (which will engulf the Earth and maybe Mars) then shrink into a white dwarf. You need at least 8 solar masses for the smallest super nova. We will get barbequed though.
Edit: Misread the OP, said "expanding" not "exploding" - Don't comment two hours past your normal bed time kids.
"I wanted to become an astronaut" Thank God you didn't.
Well statistically speaking, it's a lower chance to die in space, than underwater
@@TheKisj Yes, because people like this guy never made it into the space exploration industry.
@@TheKisj you will likely die before because of a malfunction in the craft.
@@ununun9995 That or get stuck in drifting in space as your food supply slowly runs out.
Funny enough, it's way easier to build a spacecraft than submarine. Spacecraft doesn't need to handle any pressure, only radiation really. Tricky part is getting it into space and keeping it there.
Stockton seriously used the fact that safety regulations had kept submariners safe from serious injury for 35 years as his reason for not following them.
The man was completely deluded.
Survivorship Bias. It's strangly common. It was even practiced by the US military throughout WWII when re engineering aircraft based on strike patterns.
That was the biggest red flag for me. Another way to say what he said: "For the last 35 years safety regulations have kept millions of lives safe under water. None of those regulations have passed on my sub."
I foresee a new “find the flaw” question on the LSAT
Yet touts the safety of submarines, which do follow the rules, as an argument why HIS submarine was also safe.
Hey submarines are super safe, they transport millions of people with barely any deaths, due to their strict safety regulations. Anyway, I build my own, and ignored those safety regulations, so come hop on, submarines are safe, so so is mine!
More money than sense
If he had gone solo on that fatal dive, we might view him as some sort of martyr or trailblazer. The fact that he convinced 4 other people to join him and ultimately kill them with his hubris and arrogance makes him a huge piece of sh*t. That 19 year old had his whole life ahead of him.
Agreed. If he had gone alone to pursue his dream he would be considered a trailblazer, the fact he took others with him under the guise of it being "a once in a lifetime experience" and charged them money is what makes this especially horrible. Yes, he had a release stating there were risks, but how many of us sign those types of releases everyday knowing what we are doing is 99.9% safe and the releases are just for that 0.1% chance something happens. He sold those people that this excursion was statistically safe.
When the sun extinguishes has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard someone with 'aerospace education' say.
directly followed by the second dumbest thing, that we will have any chance to survive on earth when it happens.
@@dyamonde9555 probably trying to stir up the same excitement that he saw from the Mars movement
I personally like to think he just watched and copied that one Vsauce Video about what would happen when the sun disappears
almost as dumb as the reasons for a colony on Mars....
If the sun goes away the whole earth will freeze and die. Won’t that be wonderful.
"statistically, submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet"
stockton rush: i can change that
him making a sub wasnt necessarily the problem
him being an idiot and making things super unsafe is what was the prob
because the stats have nothing to do with all the dumb rules and regulations on subs 🫠 (heavy sarcasm)
Submarines are the safest vehicle? I have an engineering degree, hold my wine cooler
@@davidturner1641 gee, d'ya think?
Calling that tin can a "submarine" is applying a very loose definition of the word
i like how their first subs look perfectly respectable and then titan looks like a toliet paper tube with a tv in it
The second one was self built, no?
Always read your mileswmathis updates daily.
It looks to me they began to run out of money and had to cut corners and raise the stakes
yes lmao
You made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣
Nothing new, nor the investigation's results. Nothing! Losed time!
The Naruto soundtrack was the very last thing I expected.
*Chunin Exams PTSD kicks in*
RIGHT! Lol I thought I had accidentally skipped to my music playlist
26:50
Best part is that particular song is called "Bad Situation"
I was like "wtf I know this music... mmm I can't recall... Oh that's Naruto"
Man played Bioshock and said "I want that."
Should have played Subnautica instead. He would have known then that you need to collect titanium in order to build a cyclops and not carbon fiber.
Ha. Guy reminded me of BioShock too.
His "dream" 😮
@@wolpertingera5829 this comment is even more hilarious when you realise the Cyclops is named after the real life Cyclops sub made by OceanGate 😂
Like they even acknowledge the trademark in the games credits lol.
(Commented this before it got the section about the fucking cyclops, goddamnit lol).
@@sassycatenthusiast What the.....? I had no idea! 🤣Thanks for telling me this, I actually didn't read the end credits after I finished the game.
Water type Pokemon seeing the strange sub: 🤨
"You are remembered for the rules you break"
- Douglas MacArthur, a man Eisenhower was forced to fire to avoid WW3
ironically enough it did make you remember him
It was Truman who fired Douglas MacArthur, not Eisenhower
Yeah, how you're going to be remembered it's the real point
Turns out he forgot to add how likely that method is to make you be remembered as a dumbass
@@lighterflud nukes were still brand new when macarthur wanted to use them on the yalu river. i wouldnt say that makes him a dumb ass, he seemed more like a firebrand to me. We are lucky Truman and Eisenhower realized the awesome power of nukes and had the foresight to set a precedent for not using them willy nilly.
Naruto soundtrack cought me offguard. LIKE
I’ve always liked the aviation expression
“There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots”
Guess that applies to submarine pilots as well.
And here I thought it was only about mushroom pickers..😅
@@isabelleg9118
Took me a couple of seconds to get it
Very true.
That statement fits divers perfectly
where's the bold old pilots?
Ghosts of the Titanic: " I'm sick of the same faces down here... Oh good! , new arrivals.
I just pictured the ghosts in historical outfits walking around the ship and Stockton is just there in chinos trying to explain carbon fibre to a scullery maid
@@_Dark222Angel_ 😂😂😂
@@_Dark222Angel_😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I cannot
@@_Dark222Angel_ Sounds like a family guy cutaway gag.
"someone with a FRESH SOUL!"
Imagine getting stick drift in the submarine
Don't worry they had a spare controller. But sadly not a second hull.
@@nmlss-r9 " what! nobody brought spare batteries"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
All the jokes aside, Stockton did ask one interesting question: "Could a carbon fibre hull work for depth diving."
From an engineering and scientific perspective, this is an interesting question. It's just unfortunate that Rush and his team of cavalier cowboys, instead of a competent team of engineers and carbon fibre experts, took a swing at it.
From what I've read, the carbon fibre winding that was used for the Titan hull was significantly weakened because of the single direction of the winding - it would have been stronger in a diamond pattern but that would have significantly increased cost (Stockton clearly was pennypinching)
Hopefully some professionals take up this challenge and answer this question in the future
@@scroopynooperz9051 Not an expert afaik carbon fibre is really bad for this, no matter the shape it doesn't have the qualities that make metal good for subs.
It's already an amazing material for other uses, leave it for those and make subs with titanium which is already good for this.
They partnered with Boeing? No wonder they went missing
I recall a news story about an experienced submariner, David Lochridge who was fired from Oceangate because he was concerned the Oceangate submarine was not safe to take to the extreme depths where the Titanic wreck sits.
Not so ironically this disaster happened just as feared by Mr. Lochridge. There were a few law suits and counter suits back and forth between Oceangate and Mr. Lochridge.
In the end the submarine itself settled the argument and failed as Mr. Lochridge feared would happen.
Most satisfying "I told you so" ever.
What happened to the law suits?
@@radicaledwards3449 "In the end the submarine itself settled the argument and failed as Mr. Lochridge feared would happen."
The sub failed, so the former employee was 100% right. The lawsuit was dropped.
On top of that, Oceangate ceased all operations since last year.
@@radicaledwards3449truth is the ultimate defense against slander lawsuits
24:45 That's in the video