DON'T buy the Sony A7CR yet.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2023
- If you've been looking at the Sony A7RV and now see the cheaper baby brother Sony A7CR, don't buy it just yet, it's missing some key features which might still make the A7RV a better buy.
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I just think the price is wrong on this camera, it needs to be priced lower to succeed.
It’s USD1200 cheaper than the A7RV where I live plus extra battery and 64GB card as ‘gifts’. That’s a significant difference….
I agree, it is not a pro body with the features removed. It is however tempting as a travel camera where you can crop in and bring less lenses (landscape, occasional portrait) compare to the A7Cii... But the price difference between a A7Cii and A7CR is too high for enthusiasts. I am however very happy to see a silver body (as a non pro). I am currently Fuji X-T3 and I am tempted... But between an X-T5 or X-H2 and the increased price on the glass side... (Viltrox 27 1.2 is a third of the price of a Sony 50 1.4 G) It is certainly a very big bump. Bringing down the price of the A7Cr would have been less of a scary move as I can spread more the purchases of the lenses thanks to the crop... And the Fuji Autofocus is coming along to a level that is now acceptable for a non pro.
Have you heard about any info about updates for the A7RV ?
@@DocnoXXXthe gap is only £500 in uk
I think that the design of the Sony A7CR with the EVF in the corner is a great thing, but the EVF needs to be larger with much higher magnification, it also needs a joystick and a simpler, thinner back screen, then I will buy it ! Maybe I would even buy two...
The value of A7CR is it gives much of the A7RV, (61MP!, IBIS, Autofocus, etc.) in a smaller body at 75% of the cost, (-$1000). The “doesn’t have this or that” talk makes me say if you need/want all the bells and whistles buy it in the A7RV. I’m pretty sure Sony says that as well! Those who value the common features of both that separate it from other models but don’t need the things that make the A7RV $1000 more expensive (joystick, extra C buttons, better flippy screen, better EVF, better battery, 1 extra IBIS stop, 8k video, etc.) are going to jump all over the lower priced A7CR.
Pretty much. It's the Miata to the A7R5's 400z
I agree with Chris from the point of view that neither camera is cheap. The "Bells and whistles" of which you write are quality of life improvements for which a professional would gladly pay a premium (one card slot can be a deal breaker). For who is the A7CR targeted? Amateurs? It seems like a backup camera for a professional; the batteries are thus fortunately the same!
So are you an advanced amateur for whom this camera appeals?
My opinion is that the Compact full-frame cameras are paradoxical.
I was fully intending to get the A7C, but once I looked through the EVF of the A7RV, I was immediately sold. It’s not even close.
Thank you so much Chris for the helpful and informative comparison video! God bless and good luck!
I really needed to hear all of this…good stuff
Great overview. Agree with the firmware/software updates.
Good analysis! Completely agree. I would love a completely stripped down version of this compact body with a very simple tilt display at a lower price. Less buttons, fully focused on photography. Stick one of tiny Sony lenses on there, like the 24mm f2.8 or the 40mm f2.5 and you really have a good alternative to the Leica Q3.
Very good overview. The A7CR just needed a better EVF or an optional 5k+ EVF for hotshoe?
Hi Chris, have you done a side-by-side comparison of the colours and the exposure level? Are they exactly the same? Thanks so much!
Great perspective as always. Thank you. Of note. Compact is misspelled in your opening.
Thanks for the great critical comparison and analysis. This helps me see the camera I should have been pining for was the A7RV, not the A7CR.
I agreed that the A7CR should be a lot lower. In California that’s $3250 after taxes and shipping. You can get a used and fairly new A7RV for $3000.
Great, this convinced me to get the A7CR over the A7R V, as will be using it mostly on a tripod for video the EVF and handling aren't really a concern. Used the £900 saved to put towards a lens instead :)
The compactness of the a7cr is negated by the FF lens sizes. Unless you use some of the smaller Samyang lens and maybe the Tamron 20-40mm. Alternative is APSC, the sigma 18-55 APSC on the Sony A7CR would give you a crop at still 26mb. More than plenty for most use cases.
Lovely set of G-primes too
Great comparison video! Thanks.
I have an RX1 R and completely agree Sony need an RX1 R3 - possibly with interchangeable lens option, although I appreciate why that would be heresy to some.
I have the Sony A7RV and the Fujifilm X-T5. I think the Fuji is a better buy then the Sony A7RC. It even shoots 6K along with having the dual slots, better screen and EVF. The X-T5 is like a mini A7RV for me.
The a7c line is really compact only if we had pancake lenses.
Attaching a grip or any other EF lenses (except the f2.5 G series) you are back to regular a7 cameras.
I've been waiting for a7cR, The price shocked me, and I settled for a7R iii.
Spot on on all points - including the timing for an RX1R3.
Would be interested in which preset of Veres Deni Alex you have used on your recent video about Film emulation? Thanks in advance 😊
the single card slot and body design (no joystick, low quality evf , small body, etc) still make me heavily lean towards the “non C cameras”. definitely think the price should be a bit lower! great review 🔥
This makes me appreciate my Sony a7rv much more. I have size 4 XL hands and I need a battery grip for my hands to fit comfortably on the camera. The compact version would be way too small for me. I do wish Sony would come out with firmware updates like you said when they drop a new model. But I could never buy a camera without two card slots for what I do. Plus i use my evf 99% of my photos so having something smaller and less resolution is no Bueno for me
I respectfully disagree. I sold my A7RIII and purchased A7CR w/ light Sony 16-35 F/4 it weighs 847 grams 😮 with my Q3 the A7CR is a perfect travel setup. I don’t think answer is so black and white it depends on the type of photography one shoots. It’s not ideal for wedding but it’s great for travel photography & landscape photography ❤. Total travel weight A7CR w/ two lens & Q3 = 2.25 kg😊 covering 16mm-105mm f/4 and fast F/ 1.7 prime❤
Are you an amateur or a professional?
Funny thing is I'll buy the A7Cr even if it is the same price as the A7RV and it has the same reduction in features. Why? Because size is worth something; size alone is worth $1000. I want a small, full frame, camera! The EVF is just fine, as is the one of the non-R A7 cameras. It doesn't affect picture quality so I don't care. More importantly, the A7Cr has smaller, thinner grips! I like smaller thinner grips and I dearly miss the ergonomics of the original A7/A7R before they repeatedly make the grips and body thicker and bigger. Finally, all the slight reductions in shooting speed, IS or the missing card slot? Meh, I was on the A7RII for 8 years and it didn't bother me.
You are using your right eye, you can find centered evf useful.
Some people use their left eye, in that case, left positioned evf will be more convenient.
Important little detail. Can’t say anything about resolution though.
Isn't this the other way around? I.e. right eye shooters get and advantage of having the EVF on the left?
It all depends on the purpose. For travel, low weight and small size if very important and I'd much prefer the smaller camera and give up some of the extra features of the A7RV.
Great Video
Did the video mean to end like that? I was just getting settled with my popcorn and it ended. Please gimme more
Hard unexpected cuts are my favourite way to end videos 😂
such a great video Chris. ah if only they update their older cameras I wouldn't feel like I’m being robbed of features when all these newer less expensive cameras come out with features that could be added to their older cameras
I just (today) picked up my new A7r5. I was tempted. Didn’t like the lack of flexibility of the LCD. Don’t like the location of the A7cr viewfinder. And I didn’t want to hang my pinky off the bottom where it barely fits on the A7r5.
The final thing that made my choice was the $400 price discount that was going on this past weekend.
Completely agree with your video! I was really excited about the A7Cr but the price has me pausing to buy. Too many compromises verse the A7rV. I like the idea of a smaller discreet camera but this is really expensive for a camera that is essentially the same as the A6700 except for the sensor. The other point you make well is with this sensor, it's better with higher quality glass like GM lenses and those are larger and heavier and not well balanced on this body. Sony needs to make more G lenses like the 24, 40, and 50mm for these two new bodies.
You said it Chris, they definitely missed the mark not including the multi angle screen which I feel should be standard on all Sony cameras moving forward. I for one will be holding off especially that we just saw global shutter with the a9. Curious to see if that trickles down to other cameras. For now might pick up a second a74 or a used a7rv
As a photographer, I would have bought the A7CR as a small lightweight additional body if it had been fitted with a tilt screen, but having previously owned the A7iv, I hate the flip screen. I am not buying any more cameras so fitted. The A7Rv is fine with its multi-angle screen, but I still prefer the standard tilt screen as on the A1, A7iii, etc.
Thanks for making this video Chris, I have had to watch this many times to remind myself not to sell the A7RV in favour of the A7CR as the GAS is hitting pretty hard with this one, the lighter and smaller package with the included LUTs preview is a real draw and it’s driving me crazy, I really hope Sony release a firmware update for the RV that would cure my GAS, I would even pay for an update.
the A7Rv is a 61mgp and a 26mgp aps-c in one body, traded in my A6600 on the Rv with the black friday discount and Sony's cashback...and I can stil use my aps-c lenses on the Rv 26mgp.
What is the practical use for 61mp vs 33mp? Is it just cropping? Does 61mp create a better quality image? Thank you.
Essentially twice as much detail if you want to simplify it
4:00 The body size difference may be small, but that EVF hump on top of the A7RV makes it effectively a much larger camera,.
Did Sony give the ability to load Luts on the A7R V with the last firmware updates?
Best video ever. Sony must rethink about price and firware updates. Totally agree.
Would the a7riv be a better comparison?
There will always be , “ for a $ xxx more “ you get so and so . 61mp with almost 80-90% of the features of 7v for a 1000 bucks less is an amazing deal . Specially the a7cii
The hiker side of me loves the compactness and lighter weight of t he a7CR, but the EVF on a7RV is so good.
The A7R5 feels a bit too bulky on some days especially when paired with zoom lens …Needs to revert back to R2/R3 size
Yeah, I pretty much agree on all points! Way too expensive for what you get…
I‘m still using my a7iii for photography and one or the other filming occasion. But: even with it I think it’s grip is very small. If you come from a DSLR by Nikon or canon, everything full frame by Sony is small…😅
As a main body totally agree that the a75 makes perfect sense. But if you compare the a7cr with say a 24mm G and put it up against a a Leica q3 then it’s good value. I shoot the canon R5 and have RF glass which I love, but canon offers nothing in this interchangeable compact range. Come canon get with it 😅. Tried Fuji a second time using the x100v and it’s always left me feeling that I wanted more from it. A bit overrated unless you are jpg shooter. But as a high res, FF, ibis compact camera the a7c is the best option availed at the moment. Just wish they had the better evf and the a75 flip screen. Who knows maybe the a7r could sway me to to Sony eco system long term 😊 Nice review though.👌👌
what do you mean big lens not balancing ... love shooting my M2 Leica with my 640mm f/9 Telyt
Absolute joke what they did with the EVF on the A7CR, killed any and all interest I have in that camera. The C is not even that much smaller than the R. All Sony stuff is overpriced these days and that is no exception. The firmware situation is also becoming a bit of a joke. Sony have gotten too greedy.
I like the idea of the ‘apple approach’ but I feel because they pump out cameras faster than I can breath! This kind of allows them to sell more camera bodies
Think about it
If your 4 year old camera had similar features as the newer one would you be inclined to buy the upgrade?
This is video is just what I needed. No A7CR for me. The A7RV is getting cheaper nowadays.
Thanks for the Perfect comparison, thats what i was looking for. In Germany currently Price difference from 3699€ (a7CR) to 4199€(a7rV). The compact Body and the Price difference is nearly nothing. In my opinion the a7R5 is the clearly better camera.
Well done on comparing the two, way too fast on the side by side shots i had to pause to see, doesnt look as much size difference as i thought there would be!
What are your thoughts between the A7IV and A7CII?
How does the A7CII body compare to the size of the A1? Thanks.
A lot smaller
I could probably have accepted the single card slot and used 2 with a pair of primes, but the ‘too low res’ rear screen is the dealbreaker for me. Everything else including that new grip, ticks boxes. So nah, sorry.
I love my a7cr.❤
I would even pay $1300 for the Dual slot, 9mil evf, robust body, 4 way til screen & 10 fps vs 8.
If i want smaller body then used a7c which i just bought for $1050 new
Exactly my point :) the prices are for people who do not look at the price and other options... A7CII is so much more expensive than the Canon R8 which is almost the same camera on paper...A7Cr is too close to the A7rV.
And we need small and cheap pancake lenses. Canon has now 28 2.8 that is something we need on the E mount. 16 2.8, Nikon has 40 2.0... Sony makes pancakes that are F1.8 big and more expensive but they are slow F2.8-2.5 and sorry but the 24 2.8 G is not the greatest optics...
I think Sony are holding back now because Nikon and Panasonic are struggling. Panasonic released the best camera in the lower enthusiast class (now with AF) by far just like that from nothing, Sony made the A7rV with the screen like on the S1H... I am usually not a conspiracy theorist but... I think A7CII and A7Cr can be much cheaper and must be cheaper.
What is the ai reframing thing?
I love your content @Chris Brockhurst, (your content is fantastic), but 4:55 I disagree with everything you said. The reason why they are providing the modular grip in the first place is to address the ergonomic issue you are highlighting in that with certain lenses the camera’s body/grip is too small. So, Sony provides the modular grip which can be put on and taken off, and you are still complaining. I don’t get it…The reason to get the A7CR and not the A7RV is to save the $1000, without having the ergonomic compromise.
Ha! It's nice to hear genuine opinions about Sony products from a Sony user. I actually made a recent video talking about a similar thing and what I think the future of the camera industry should be like. I also discuss some similar thoughts in respect to Firmware and Sony's approach (or lack of).
Great video as usual Chris!
thanks for stopping by!
well, that made up my mind. thx
The a7r5 looks smaller than the a7ii. Is it??
I don't really mind losing any of those features but the EVF is a dealbreaker for me, thanks for your opinion
There is one thing you forget: When a newbe buys their first camera, they need to buy a lens too. When they buy the A7CR they can get the body and the 20-70 f/4 lens for only $200 more then the A7R5 body only and start photographing, when they buy the A7R5 they buy a nice doorstop for the same money.
And what is more, all the points you tell us, Are not directly influencing the end results, only the IBIS does in low light situations, but not by much.
When you make a camera small and $900 cheaper there are things that must go and I find it good you show them in your video. but I think you should not state that people should not buy one of those cameras, they must decide what camera is best for them.
it's unlikely that someone buying their first camera is buying an A7CR. The screen difference means worse user experience, evf means worse user experience, IBIS is a decent enough difference for me to talk about it.
@@chrisbrockhurstI own the A6400 it has a worse LCD screen and the same EVF. Yes I've seen other screens and EVFs and yes they are better. And yes it is very good to point that out! But in the end it is not a very bad experience at all.
And with a newbe I meant in this context a newbe to FF mirrorless cameras, maybe coming from a DSLR or a APS-C or M43 camera, or from a high end fixed lens camera. But yes I could have more informative about that point.
The problem with a lot of reviewers, they get a lot of cameras t review and see the best of the best, and the worst of the worst, but forget at some point that for some people the worst is good enough. I never had any trouble with the EVF of myA6400, I never had any trouble with the back screen (I only use it to change settings). So for many people these worst points aren't that much of a trouble. People should go to the stores and see it for themself.
And I do agree on IBIS The A7R5 is superior, but is it a deal breaker? Not when fast action or not low light is your thing!
the reason for a studio/wedding/advertising-pro not to buy the A7CR is syncspeed: 160 vs 250
Thanks for adding this in, appreciated for those using flash
that ending tho xD
I also express this thought once again: Why aren't the EVFs just detachable on the C line?
Because that would make the camera more expensive and not much more usable.
A7R5 is best secondary camera, performs great when I need faster auto focus compared to my X2D
I would say pricing should have been $2000 and $2500 for a7cii and a7cr respectively. However, at current prices it makes much more sense to get an a7iv or a a7rv . Yeah, they lack some software features but they can actually be used on a professional environment. Lack of dual SD, less buttons, no joystick and micro HDMI instead of full HDMI really undermines the C cameras to be considered as workhorses
00:35 “COMAPCT” Good one …
Do you guys think size, evf, joystick should cost more than 1000$ ??? What are the other major differences between the 2 cameras, because a lot of us actually prefer smaller bodies
In addition to the better EVF, flippy screen, joystick control, and 2 additional custom buttons, the A7RV gives you 8k video, better battery life, better In body image stabilization (8 stops vs 7), dual SD card slots, and a full HDMI output. The enhanced LCD screen and EVF seem pretty expensive which is likely where the cost difference comes in. When summing up all the extra features I can see where the $1000 price diff comes in.
@@Cthames123 No, the Compacts have better battery-life because their screen and viewfinder are much lower resolution and consume less power.
@@Sidowse You are right. Saying the battery life is better on the A7RV is going a bridge too far. Looking at this better reviews say the A7CR has more shots per charge using the LCD than the A7RV, (490 vs 440), but difference would be hardly noticeable in real world shooting. Even with this, I think I'd still go with everything the big boy A7RV has to offer if I were in the market.
@@Sidowseyou are right on the A7CR vs A7RV, but the logic doesn't hold when comparing the A7C ii is vs A7IV. The A7IV is rated to have slightly better battery when shooting photos. Understandably, these are 2 different products.
@@Cthames123 The Sony Website doesn't seem to list the A7IV shot-count per charge. A strange omission.
I don't care if it doesn't have the adjustable screen of the A7R5, but no way I'm paying 3k for that crappy 1M dot low res screen and a crappy view finder. Put a 3M dot screen on it and a decent view finder OR lower the price.
def needed a better screen. no question
you forgot to mention the micro-HDMI on the a7CR vs full size on the a7Rv.
I think a better evaluation to show the bad deal you get with the a7CR is comparing it to the a6700. They have the same EVF & screen!! what? $1400 vs $3000!! So you're paying more than double for the 61MP vs 26MP (oh, and both are the same if you're shooting APS-C mode)
I was holding out buying the a6700 to see what the a7CR was like. Thought I would like a smaller body with APS-C lenses for walkaround, but would have the FF in the a7CR when needed. But Sony killed that idea for me, since I have the a7Rv, and no way would I want to pay $3000 for a substandard experience (EVF) walkaround "APS-C" that i could accomplish with a $1400 a6700
You're right about the HDMI, that's important to know. As for comparing an ASPC to Full Frame camera, different tools for different jobs, can't put them in the same category
@@chrisbrockhurst True, I'd agree: use the tool that fits your need. I'm just stunned that the a7cii & a7cR have the same EVF & screen as a6700, but are up to 2x its cost
it’s a compact camera why would they put a whole HDMI port on it? Just get the slightly bigger one for stuff like that. they should have just put 2 USB-C ports on it so you can stream the feed out from there
Totally agree - I posted a similar video on my channel. Last week, Sony had the A7RV on sale for $400 off PLUS a $500 trade-in bonus (literally any crappy lens qualified). I picked one up for $3k for the same price as an A7CR - it was a no-brainer. Sony totally missed the mark with the A7CR. Perhaps there is an RX1R iii around the corner?...
People really need to stop comparing brand new prices vs. discounted promotional prices for existing products. If A7C R is $2999 new, that means deals will start popping up by Memorial Day next year. Good chance that it'll be close to $2k for deal hunters. Why would the same deals that exist for A7R V this year not exist for A7C R next year? I think the $3k starting price is reasonable.
@@mbvglider Nah - it's absolutely fair to compare current prices. There is nothing new (except for some AI and UI bits) that the A7CR offers while falling woefully short on everything else. Unless you really need the marginally smaller body, the A7RV makes so much more sense for most people.
@@RandumbTech The only people who should be interested in this camera are the people who want the smaller camera body. It's not marginally smaller; it's substantial. In any case, the price issue will fix itself over time because discounts will become a thing. There's absolutely a case to be made for waiting for the price to drop if you want this camera because it will, but I don't know why people keep suggesting A7R V to people who are looking for a compact camera. It would also be a fantastic second camera for people who already have another Sony body. It's a very specific tool for people who want a very specific form factor.
Finding the A7CR in UK for £2080 online, that just over £1k less than Sony price.
How you hold your cameras, scares me, swinging them around like it’s a toy 😂😂😂
Still buy a7cr over a7r5. Anytime
4:25 some people might have huge hands like you some people small hands, completely perfect handle for that cam! 😆
Finally Woody already escaped. 🤣 playing with kids. 🤣 Im guessing no reflector with background window.
Woody is back again now haha
@@chrisbrockhurst 🤣🤣🤣 Savage!
Anyone else notice the comapct?
You have hit all of the spots! Does not make sense to get less features, if the price was a bit lower then maybe, 7RV is worth it
Lower price and I wouldn’t have made this video basically
@@chrisbrockhurst agree! 💯
Problem being: the EVF on most modern cams. It's the last leftover from the dinosaur days - being in the worst place for ergonomics, in the middle. EVF should be on the left or in the middle with the option to tilt it up. You no longer stick your fatty nose on the screen. Your model sees your face. Youre more open. Why i like the CR, even the EVF resolution is abyssmal. And It is too expensive here in EU.
3200 GBP for the a7cR ..is a joke
the EVF, no redundancy & that annoying flippy floppy screen ..
Can't wait for the RX1R successor
Same
Wow thanks for making this video, I'm logical and rational person, I see a lot time a thing just doesn't make sense to buy and exist at all but a lot TH-camrs just not sure why they talk like it is make sense to have it and get it even the Pros and famous TH-camrs, things like Apple MagSafe wallet too, why you want to stick it back to your phone and not keep it safe in your pocket, it's a wallet, but a lot doesn't seem to realise, maybe it's the excitement for new product and try to justify because their love for the company but end up losing their rationality and logic to them. Why get a slightly smaller camera like A7C line at all at first place that still not pocketable like RX100 line because you still end up with a smaller camera that you still need to put into a bag but still noticeable from far away as a guy with camera when you use and lose its benefit if you going to use a big lens but end up doesn't have the great handling and quality of VF on a slightly bigger body camera and it just feel smaller from your own perspective and handling, not from the crowd the full size A7 is just A7C attached a proper size EVF, better go really small or go proper size. But how is the pinkies on the A7 body, is it still tight for it on the full size A7? I decided not to get A7CII/A7CR as my first camera, it's exciting that they are the new products but the actual practical one is A7RV and I will get it, althought the silver top of A7C line are good looking, I will get the 70-200mm F4 macro G ii with 2X converter to shoot tele and macro and I thought to just use iPhone 15 with its 13mm, 26mm and 52mm to shoot closer things, less intimidated and always be with you too, I thought to get 16-35mm F4 PZ too but depend on the fund and if the iPhone 15 is enough, not sure if it will be a waste not to get that lens to shoot video with it and just shoot with iPhone 15 tho
But as always, Sony and the software issues, why they added new features to the new camera, and not to the a7rv.
I would of bought this if it had a tilt screen i hate flip screens.
They should not have compromised on the LCD screen. Should have had the same resolution as the A7R5.
Besides the EVF and LCD, image quality is basically the same. Other compromises on 8K video etc are meaningless for both these cameras.
I rather have an improved LCD display at 3k. Having said that, I don’t think it makes any sense for this 61 megapixels camera with all its current features to be launched at 2200 as the fair price 😂. The Sony guys aren’t stupid lol. Even the old A7 4 is priced at 2400.
I think Sony missed the mark with these cameras in terms of custom buttons availability compared to the a6700. It’s essentially the same body.
Nah these are compact bodies which actually appeal to a large audience, the price tag is just gunna really hurt
Sir please give me just one camera, I really need a camera to take photos, please give it to me
Sony should stop the A7Cs and go on for a A7D: twice bigger body & EVF, internal hard drive 1T, a tilt &flip screen, more function buttons!!!
Interesting concept
Also nobody mentions that A7C cameras don't have full mechanical shutter, only EFCS (which above 1/1000 ruins bokeh) with 1/4000 limit, that could be a big deal for many people.
It’s been blown out of proportion; the issue is not that dramatic in effect.
@@hellolau You think it's not a big deal, until it is. I've been burned by enabling it on my A7iv a couple of times in LED lighting. I've completely disabled it on all my Sony bodies. So, yes, it is a big deal for some. And the ones that don't think it's a big deal, often don't shoot enough to realize it is.
The evf is just a deal breaker for me so going for the a7rv 😊
If they put the rear display on this it would have made waaaaay more sense.
That rear multi angle display would’ve completely changed my opinion
I think the price is (kind of) reasonable. I say 'kind of' because I find it egregious that Sony bundles in that ridiculously overpriced grip and the A7CR price reflects that bundled item. I also have ZERO idea why the "new" multi-angle screen isn't the standard on EVERY Sony camera going fowards, the stupidity on that decision genuinely baffles me.
The shitty jumpy editing without pauses between sentences is disorienting and unlistenable.
I think the stabilization difference is much more due to the weight. Try add more weight and retry on the a7cR. I have a a7c and video is more stable with my cage on it which add more than 250g which bring it similar to the full body. The micro movement are massively reduced. Just try you will see. More lightweight the body is more movement you will have. So add more weight for video.
Agreed, overpriced! The a7c lineup should be competing with Canon’s R8. I love the idea of compactness. Anywhere close to $2k and id just go full frame body new or used. Sony is doing the same thing as they did with the 16-55 G aps-c lens, way overpriced discourages getting it
As a former Olympus user, it's still cracks me up when people talk about frames per second! Eight frames per second versus 10 frames per second? How about 60? On an old camera? And yes, I know that Sony has a pixel shift option, but it's really not very usable, is it?
If sony would make firmware updates for older cameras with new features, it would hurt their sells with those newer cameras. That's why they don't do it. sadly.
They know the camera bodies are ephemeral. I would rather have more frequent camera releases at the cost of less firmware firmware updates personally, but only if the trade off speeds things up noticeably.
3300€ is a lot for the CR
This is literally what every a7siii owner has been saying