I don't usually comment but feel the need to speak out against rubbish reviews like this. At least base it on fact and not who your biggest sponsors are. I own a ZX10R and it has plenty of grunt all the range. Maybe your test bike was shagged.
I went to a superbike race about a month ago, and Suzuki GSXR1000's took first and second place and were fighting for the lead the whole race. Clearly all these bikes are awesome and where they placed really doesn't mean a whole lot.
Neavesy was saying that GSXr comes last and how unfair that was as its an epic bike. They are all epic !! They are all the worlds best 1000cc bikes and theres not really a hair between them all. Its the rider that wins any race not the bike. So its all down to personal preference, colour, sound, feel, style, comfort...everything. My choice was S1000RR because its BMW, and has the safety features i need - cos I'm rubbish. Quickshift is fantastic. Silverstone here i come!!
I tested both bikes on the road in 2011 the zx10r and the bmw s1000rr sport at the time I thought the zx10 was more track focused so I bought the bmw I kept it for 18 months and found that standard it ran wide in corners , had the stock suspension set by Phil Crowe he maxed out the rear shock adjustment , raised the ride height on the adjustable block and ended up with well the stock suspension is useless, made loads of adjustments to the forks still no good, I got ohlins 30mm cartridge kit and ttx rear shock all for m weight etc was good then, now problem was trying to accelerate out of corners it wants to wheelie everywhere , moved rear wheel further back in swingarm still couldn't keep up with...the zx10's and they were out of the crate, ive just bought a 2014 zx10r , oh and 18 months old the bmw dealer offered me £6000.00for it back in mint original condition as I had carbon wheels and all road fairings in bubblewrap from new the bike overall probably cost me about 10,000 loss in 18 months im keeping the zx std apart from fairings. kwaks go forward rather than wheelie and don't have the mad rush of power at 10000 upwards. hope this helps someone not to lose the money I did , but I hear the hp4 is v good but huge money...again. Boldini #42
I have read that the new ZX-10R is detuned and that there is a version with 188 hp thats not available everywhere. I guess they will unleash it when the bike gets refreshed after its two year cycle. The power is supposedly available with a pipe and ecu.
If low and mid range power is a problem with the ZX10R, change the front sprocket to one with less teeth (or the rear sprocket to one with more teeth) and your problem's solved.
Hi MCN! I love all your vids and reviews as I use them as the basis above all others. i did have a question though: How bad is the low to mid-range power on the ZX-10R? Is it bad enough where it wouldn't be a good street bike (as that's where you spend most of your rpm time)? Does it feel completely underpowered when compared to the other 1000's? Thanks for any feedback you can give.
@fastkid392 I don't think that's the reason for them not including the Ducati. If that was the case, the Aprilia and KTM would have been present. Probably the only bikes they could get together at the time..I dunno. For this to be a true liter bike test it would have to include the 1198, RSV4 and RC8. MV Agusta is always forgotten in these test...same way they are forgotten on the race track. Snap*! lol
This is just personal opinions from MCN and not bike performance on track. We are also talking about over all package here. Give some track times. "Anyone can drive a fast bike, few can drive a bike fast."
I'd still rather have the Suzuki or the Honda. Because for the difference in price I can put an Akrapovic full system, a tune and degree the cams. I also agree that when they test these bikes versus the new Aprilia, it will be interesting... the APRC is just phenomenal.
I'll take the underdog low tech bikes over the new Hi-tech wonders. Give me the R1 and CBR. Oh wait..I already have the R1! ;P Besides this test means nothing without on track lap times. I could care what some moto-journo thinks about a bike. Knowing which bike is fastest around track is good info to know, but in the end...I buy the bike that makes my heart skip a beat when I see and ride it.
@motorcyclenewsdotcom The BMW Power Boost Kit ECU makes 12-14 HP not 4HP as claimed, take a show room BMW and swap the ECU then redo the Dyno. Did you have the optional quick shifter or was it also fitted stock? Do you know the BMW with the full Kit Akropovic makes 195hp about 10 more than just the Power Boost ECU Kit, the Stock BMW is rated by BMW at 192.5hp. Take off 15% for the transmission losses and you get a lot less power than the 2 hp you claimed.
@plaid4u you might not get rain but up in scotland we get the cold stuff from siberia. were usually at least 3 degrees behind london. Cold coupled with rain does NOT make good riding conditions :(
@HOTOjake dude... all bikes have more ability than their riders. a bike could throw you off at any minute in an instant. no one will EVER have more ability than the bike they are riding
I wouldn't mind a lack of low-end power on a bike. In fact, if I were looking to get a street bike (I usually ride dirt) I'd be looking for a bike where the power comes on like a rattlesnake. First you poke it with a stick, then you wait in fear for a little while, and then you die. And, given that preference, I'd get an early-70s Kawasaki 750 two-stroke with expansion-chamber pipes. And, perhaps best of all, the sound it makes in the powerband can cause lightning strikes on a sunny day.
hey..where was the Aprilia in the review? The "standard" 1000cc 4banger family is now larger than just the Japanese mainstays +1 (BMW)..you gotta add the other.. Otherwise MCN, great review and explanation of your findings...keep it up
Good review and HD is good. Now if they could work out how to reduce the wind noise on the microphone.. Interesting comment about the ZX's power. If it's all up high, kiss your license good bye!
@supersayin1 yeah, moving the power up to higher revs is like removing the power at all... because it's rare the time you can use it.... but i agree.. KAWIS ANY TIME ANY DAY!!!
@laxxxxxxen The BMW S1000RR is an eyesore. The non-matching mid fairings and the cock-eyed headlights don't do it any justice in the looks dept. If you think all bikes but the BMW are ugly, I'd like to know what you ride currently.
@motorcyclenewsdotcom ok one thing i still do not understand about your review. the yamaha won in 2009 (dont agree it should have but thats just me). How does a 2008 cbr win over the 2009 yamaha that won over the cbr in one of the previous years. he did say 1:03 it is the oldest. In 1:15 the yamaha won. can you explain this too me. why did the cbr win over the yamaha? Im not a yamaha fan just trying to understand how you guy get your results.
little bias here since i own a s1000rr but i'm glad the bike held out for another year and looking forward to the the other makes attempt to knock the bmw down. Was fearing the zx10 was going to kill it with the rumors of around 200hp.
I just run in my new 2012 ZX10R gets its first service friday. so I have'nt been riding it hard, this bullshit that it has no midrange grunt is well "bullshit" and ya have to go a tooth down on the front sprocket. I did a lot of test riding of different models and liked the kwaka the most, the ZX pulls like a 16 year old from the word go. its a great road bike,and its starting to prove itself on the race track, no midrange my arse, anyway ya buy what ya like and enjoy it !
@alan838 I agree 1 million times over! I'm sure they could have improved on controlling the 04 aka Widow makers power,handling and stability. Kawasaki kills me giving us a beast and dropping the power, they also did it with the 636. I really don't know what the hell they are thinking at kawasaki. I'm a die hard Kawasaki fan but it's pissing me off that they give us 2nd place bikes and expect us to live with it. Cheers !!!!
Soooo... in 2009 the R1 wins the group. In 2011 it comes after the CBR? A bike that is the same as 2008 other than ABS? I love the CBR '08, hey I ride one, but it is a bit odd the standings...
After watching this video again, it's extremely hard to take anything away from this. It's not in depth enough to be a real comparison video. This is more a teaser video than a "actual" comparison video. Maybe there are more details in the article I dunno, I'm just not sold on this would-be comparison. Tell us more about the TC on the Kawasaki. How does it compare to that of the BMW's TC? I'm pretty sure if this vid was 30 mins, no one would complain, as long as the content is good. hint hint
I lil' Biased on your S1K there? S1K's electronic better than 10R? I understand the power but electronics? In 2009 R1 Moved from 1st to 4th just because of the price? (I thought your reviewing how well the bikes are?) You didn't complain about Duccatis or the RSV4s price in other reviews when it cost more than that of the other bikes. Where is the RSV4? I think 10R is best bang for ur bucks. 1.) Zed 2.) S1k (I see Zed and S1K being close) 3.) R1 4.) CBR (I see CBR and R! being close) 5.) GSX
I picked the zx10r cuz I got it for around 14k out the door I could have got a fireblade (leftover stock) for around 11k but it did not have abs or traction control like the zx now if I was going to get the s1000rr like I wanted after I got all the options I wanted it was over 20k an for the price I'd get the h2
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@BMWRWankers the S1000rr's top speed 178mph? LOL this isnt the K1200s BMW, pal. As for a customers BMW being 190hp or so, well lets say that all depends on the Dyno and how well its was calibrated. remember the S1000rr inline 4 engine architecture is extremely oversquare easing the RPM's higher band for more HP. Hope i didnt leave you clueless....
@UCMolosser Makes sense or they just can't give a good proper and comparative review. Its been over a month, they still haven't even answered my question, and a lot of other peoples question. I think they need to be more active in the discussions on there own reviews. They put out a review with questions that need answers. But my question still stands and I'm still wondering why they did it in the rain too. This wasn't a good review and not from good reviewers obviously. Thanks for commenting
But wsbk several times, I guess that means nothing. Motogp? A bike you can own vs a bike you cant? That is like saying Mercedes has the fastest best cars on the road because they won thef1 championship. If Kawasaki was to enter motogp now who knows what will happen, from their wsbk championships they can share build a damn good motorcycle. More than one can say for the BMW dud. So great and can't win or place in any competition. Wsbk, stock class, no where.
No KTM, Ducati, aprilia and MV Augusta? They don t count? I would never rely on these guys for input on my next bike. BMW is heads and shoulders above the rest? Show the lap times, price of each machine, maint cost and so on? Heads and shoulders above? I don't think so.
Why on earth would you put a control tyre on the bikes, it should be done with whatever it comes from the factory with, this way you can see what is truly a street-bike, track-bike and which bike is balanced in between. If the tyre that comes standard is hindering performance, say that, but the manufacturers shouldn't get a free pass when it comes to which rubber they wear. Everything else top notch!!!
@NINJAZX14RRR Ninja dude, you're wrong. BMW didn't lie or cheat, if anything they under quoted power at the crank, not over quoted like we've seen other manufacturers do in the past. The dyno results from Akrapovic website put the bmw about 5-6 hp peak up on the klacka.
Hm...? R1 gets 4th because it hasn't changed, but neither has the fireblade..which is 2nd now. Yet in 2009, the same R1 beat this same fireblade. Yes, the prices for the R1 has gone up...but who's talking about prices? The s1000rr is more expensive too
I dont agree with the rankings after 1st......! Gotta learn more about that honda.....cant believe it made 2nd place.....and yes R1 has always been a problem on the road and the streets says a kawi for life guy!!!!! All in all, I still say it comes down to the riders!!!!!
in stock form th zx10r aint all that but if u dress it up properly it will kill, if modded it kills a busa in a straight line and the new tc is gonna do its job round corners. bit dissapointed being a die hard kawa fan, the looks on new bike are awesome except for the ugly tail...now to see a review from motousa and watch how it performs in superbike races
@c7h30r30 I agree with you guys. I don't like the front design of the BMW. doesn't look nice to me compared with the others. we have to keep in mind that ultimately these guys are just sharing their subjective opinions. they claim to be experts but there are a lot of experts who would disagree with them.
I don't usually comment but feel the need to speak out against rubbish reviews like this. At least base it on fact and not who your biggest sponsors are. I own a ZX10R and it has plenty of grunt all the range. Maybe your test bike was shagged.
I went to a superbike race about a month ago, and Suzuki GSXR1000's took first and second place and were fighting for the lead the whole race. Clearly all these bikes are awesome and where they placed really doesn't mean a whole lot.
All the bikes are great and most people would be happy to own to any of them.
What a great job testing new bikes all day.
Neavesy was saying that GSXr comes last and how unfair that was as its an epic bike. They are all epic !! They are all the worlds best 1000cc bikes and theres not really a hair between them all. Its the rider that wins any race not the bike. So its all down to personal preference, colour, sound, feel, style, comfort...everything. My choice was S1000RR because its BMW, and has the safety features i need - cos I'm rubbish. Quickshift is fantastic. Silverstone here i come!!
I tested both bikes on the road in 2011 the zx10r and the bmw s1000rr sport at the time I thought the zx10 was more track focused so I bought the bmw I kept it for 18 months and found that standard it ran wide in corners , had the stock suspension set by Phil Crowe he maxed out the rear shock adjustment , raised the ride height on the adjustable block and ended up with well the stock suspension is useless, made loads of adjustments to the forks still no good, I got ohlins 30mm cartridge kit and ttx rear shock all for m weight etc was good then, now problem was trying to accelerate out of corners it wants to wheelie everywhere , moved rear wheel further back in swingarm still couldn't keep up with...the zx10's and they were out of the crate, ive just bought a 2014 zx10r , oh and 18 months old the bmw dealer offered me £6000.00for it back in mint original condition as I had carbon wheels and all road fairings in bubblewrap from new the bike overall probably cost me about 10,000 loss in 18 months im keeping the zx std apart from fairings. kwaks go forward rather than wheelie and don't have the mad rush of power at 10000 upwards. hope this helps someone not to lose the money I did , but I hear the hp4 is v good but huge money...again.
Boldini #42
Give a KAWASAKI a great rider like YUKI HAGA or BIAGGI. It will smoke all the liter bikes out there! Especially the BMW! ZX10R is the KING!
Thanks MCN!
My ranking:
1. Aprilia RSV4 R
2. MV Agusta F4 1000
3. KTM RC8 R
4. Ducati 1198S
5. BMW S1000RR
6. Kawasaki ZX-10R
7.Yamaha R1
8. Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade
9. Suzuki GSX-R1000
All of those bikes are absolutely epic.
The ZX-10r is a sick looking bike
Should get some proper mics cause it the wind sound it annoying.
MCN, the whole sportbike world is waiting to see how the kawasaki will fair at the opening of WSBK this month. I hope your man is up to it.
The S1000RR is hard to beat. I'm very satisfied with mine!
HD videos at last!!!!
Nice review!
PS: The nodding helmet at 3:06 made me smirk...!! :]
I have read that the new ZX-10R is detuned and that there is a version with 188 hp thats not available everywhere. I guess they will unleash it when the bike gets refreshed after its two year cycle. The power is supposedly available with a pipe and ecu.
@BikerDarren24 -- no. i don't care about the R1. It's about the 2011 zx10. And about putting the fireblade in front of the zx10. Bad review.
Pretty much agree. Good video, cool music too.
an awesome review!!... not surprised the BMW came up top, but am surprised at the kiwi..
If low and mid range power is a problem with the ZX10R, change the front sprocket to one with less teeth (or the rear sprocket to one with more teeth) and your problem's solved.
Can´t wait for the new S1000RR challenge, because I just love exotic bikes!
Hi MCN! I love all your vids and reviews as I use them as the basis above all others.
i did have a question though: How bad is the low to mid-range power on the ZX-10R? Is it bad enough where it wouldn't be a good street bike (as that's where you spend most of your rpm time)? Does it feel completely underpowered when compared to the other 1000's?
Thanks for any feedback you can give.
are they 4 strokes?
@fastkid392 I don't think that's the reason for them not including the Ducati. If that was the case, the Aprilia and KTM would have been present. Probably the only bikes they could get together at the time..I dunno.
For this to be a true liter bike test it would have to include the 1198, RSV4 and RC8. MV Agusta is always forgotten in these test...same way they are forgotten on the race track. Snap*! lol
@DuranXL you've got a really good point there
"A head & shoulders above" What rubbish! Get a zx10 men to ride, get a r1 man to ride, a gsxr man, and you'll get a real street battle!
This is just personal opinions from MCN and not bike performance on track. We are also talking about over all package here. Give some track times. "Anyone can drive a fast bike, few can drive a bike fast."
I'd still rather have the Suzuki or the Honda. Because for the difference in price I can put an Akrapovic full system, a tune and degree the cams. I also agree that when they test these bikes versus the new Aprilia, it will be interesting... the APRC is just phenomenal.
Interesting results.
I'll take the underdog low tech bikes over the new Hi-tech wonders. Give me the R1 and CBR. Oh wait..I already have the R1! ;P
Besides this test means nothing without on track lap times. I could care what some moto-journo thinks about a bike. Knowing which bike is fastest around track is good info to know, but in the end...I buy the bike that makes my heart skip a beat when I see and ride it.
I hope they put the KTM RC8R '11 to the test as well
@motorcyclenewsdotcom The BMW Power Boost Kit ECU makes 12-14 HP not 4HP as claimed, take a show room BMW and swap the ECU then redo the Dyno. Did you have the optional quick shifter or was it also fitted stock? Do you know the BMW with the full Kit Akropovic makes 195hp about 10 more than just the Power Boost ECU Kit, the Stock BMW is rated by BMW at 192.5hp. Take off 15% for the transmission losses and you get a lot less power than the 2 hp you claimed.
@plaid4u you might not get rain but up in scotland we get the cold stuff from siberia. were usually at least 3 degrees behind london. Cold coupled with rain does NOT make good riding conditions :(
These results do not surprise me
completely agree with their summing up.. not rode the 10r but its typical of the Kawasaki thou to be ashmatic in the midrange
@HOTOjake dude... all bikes have more ability than their riders. a bike could throw you off at any minute in an instant. no one will EVER have more ability than the bike they are riding
I am a Honda fan but still I know that Beemer is best in class
@mn228 do you mean xr1100?
@HOTOjake fully agreed, buy what you like and enjoy it.
An S1000RR looks like a Ducati and R1 decided to have a kid together
Great review but i still love Kawasaki and 3rd isn't bad because it is more affordable than the others lol so Still number 1 for me lol
I wouldn't mind a lack of low-end power on a bike. In fact, if I were looking to get a street bike (I usually ride dirt) I'd be looking for a bike where the power comes on like a rattlesnake. First you poke it with a stick, then you wait in fear for a little while, and then you die. And, given that preference, I'd get an early-70s Kawasaki 750 two-stroke with expansion-chamber pipes. And, perhaps best of all, the sound it makes in the powerband can cause lightning strikes on a sunny day.
hey..where was the Aprilia in the review? The "standard" 1000cc 4banger family is now larger than just the Japanese mainstays +1 (BMW)..you gotta add the other..
Otherwise MCN, great review and explanation of your findings...keep it up
why you dont have 1198 and RSV4? are you afraid??
you can really hear the computer in that BMW
Good review and HD is good. Now if they could work out how to reduce the wind noise on the microphone.. Interesting comment about the ZX's power. If it's all up high, kiss your license good bye!
Honda 2nd! Yes I can live with that one. Honda all day. That BMW is nice though & the price makes it more desirable.
can't wait to see duel between BMW and MV Agusta / Ducati :)))
@supersayin1 yeah, moving the power up to higher revs is like removing the power at all... because it's rare the time you can use it.... but i agree.. KAWIS ANY TIME ANY DAY!!!
@laxxxxxxen The BMW S1000RR is an eyesore. The non-matching mid fairings and the cock-eyed headlights don't do it any justice in the looks dept. If you think all bikes but the BMW are ugly, I'd like to know what you ride currently.
@motorcyclenewsdotcom ok one thing i still do not understand about your review. the yamaha won in 2009 (dont agree it should have but thats just me). How does a 2008 cbr win over the 2009 yamaha that won over the cbr in one of the previous years. he did say 1:03 it is the oldest. In 1:15 the yamaha won. can you explain this too me. why did the cbr win over the yamaha? Im not a yamaha fan just trying to understand how you guy get your results.
BAD REVIEW this time MCN.
sucks u guys had to test them in the rain, lol but I wish i was one of the testers more lol
little bias here since i own a s1000rr but i'm glad the bike held out for another year and looking forward to the the other makes attempt to knock the bmw down. Was fearing the zx10 was going to kill it with the rumors of around 200hp.
I just run in my new 2012 ZX10R gets its first service friday. so I have'nt been riding it hard, this bullshit that it has no midrange grunt is well "bullshit" and ya have to go a tooth down on the front sprocket. I did a lot of test riding of different models and liked the kwaka the most, the ZX pulls like a 16 year old from the word go. its a great road bike,and its starting to prove itself on the race track, no midrange my arse, anyway ya buy what ya like and enjoy it !
With the BMW being head and shoulders above the competition and costing right around the same, why would you buy anything else?
@Jude2Mahoney
Yeah, but it rains a lot during their vids...because it rains a lot in the UK.
How much sense does it make not to have a direct comparison to the Aprillia RSV4? i know, there would have been no reason to test.
i,m confused why are they using an 11" gsxr1000 against the new one k12
@alan838 I agree 1 million times over! I'm sure they could have improved on controlling the 04 aka Widow makers power,handling and stability. Kawasaki kills me giving us a beast and dropping the power, they also did it with the 636. I really don't know what the hell they are thinking at kawasaki. I'm a die hard Kawasaki fan but it's pissing me off that they give us 2nd place bikes and expect us to live with it. Cheers !!!!
@Freakorcycle AGREED!
@IzzualYamakawa
Because it is always raining in the UK.
Soooo... in 2009 the R1 wins the group. In 2011 it comes after the CBR? A bike that is the same as 2008 other than ABS? I love the CBR '08, hey I ride one, but it is a bit odd the standings...
After watching this video again, it's extremely hard to take anything away from this. It's not in depth enough to be a real comparison video. This is more a teaser video than a "actual" comparison video. Maybe there are more details in the article I dunno, I'm just not sold on this would-be comparison. Tell us more about the TC on the Kawasaki. How does it compare to that of the BMW's TC? I'm pretty sure if this vid was 30 mins, no one would complain, as long as the content is good. hint hint
@benetton16 he says the price crept up over the years and hadnt changed at all, thats why
YEAH go Bmw :D im alone in the world cause i love the looks :)
@FAHAD6612 the ducati is more than 1000cc they are testing the 999 or 1000cc
@ Too right mate bikes are a silly price in the uk
when i saw it for the fist time in newspaper i thought it is aprilia
LOL XD
I lil' Biased on your S1K there? S1K's electronic better than 10R? I understand the power but electronics? In 2009 R1 Moved from 1st to 4th just because of the price? (I thought your reviewing how well the bikes are?) You didn't complain about Duccatis or the RSV4s price in other reviews when it cost more than that of the other bikes. Where is the RSV4? I think 10R is best bang for ur bucks. 1.) Zed 2.) S1k (I see Zed and S1K being close) 3.) R1 4.) CBR (I see CBR and R! being close) 5.) GSX
What Honda better then the zx10 ?? Nigga please
Dirty 10r I vouge
I picked the zx10r cuz I got it for around 14k out the door I could have got a fireblade (leftover stock) for around 11k but it did not have abs or traction control like the zx now if I was going to get the s1000rr like I wanted after I got all the options I wanted it was over 20k an for the price I'd get the h2
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GOOOOOOOOOO BMW :) it's my all time favorite bike
4:49 meany hitting the bmw like that
Well that was a little dissapointing, considering all the hype about the kawi. Maybe they will look at this and improve the next offering.
@Matt27703 Aprilia RSV4R +Akrapovic exhaust= 168mph @ March 2010 Texas Mile. i know, the guys probably didnt tune it right. Thats my thinking
I couldnt live in the UK and be a rider. I can't stand looking at those bike in the rain
that it,im moving to new york :))
can someone tell me what kind of helmet trevor is wearing? the yellow one with a biohazard symbol on it:)?
I love the zx so does TOM Sykes as for the bmw sure if I had a lot more money
why is it everytime I watch a british thing testing a bike its raining? haha
The difference between all these rockets is minor and indistinguishable by most buyers.
@wooooomeeeee Amen, brotha!!
Show us the times....
@Poler777 lol lucky you, we pay almost 60 thousands for a fucking R1 in Brazil. It's almost 30k. US dollars.
Maybe if the zx10r was revved pass 9,000 rpm it would have been faster.
@BMWRWankers the S1000rr's top speed 178mph? LOL this isnt the K1200s BMW, pal. As for a customers BMW being 190hp or so, well lets say that all depends on the Dyno and how well its was calibrated. remember the S1000rr inline 4 engine architecture is extremely oversquare easing the RPM's higher band for more HP. Hope i didnt leave you clueless....
@UCMolosser Makes sense or they just can't give a good proper and comparative review. Its been over a month, they still haven't even answered my question, and a lot of other peoples question. I think they need to be more active in the discussions on there own reviews. They put out a review with questions that need answers. But my question still stands and I'm still wondering why they did it in the rain too. This wasn't a good review and not from good reviewers obviously. Thanks for commenting
@Poler777 lol in denmark a R1 cost little over 55k $, only USA are that lucky
@BMWRWankers what is wrong with you? so how sure are you that fastbikes magazine uses a stock zx10r.
How on earth can the gixxer end up 5th here but wins the gsxr600 and 750 every single test?
there's a reason why kawa has never won motogp...
But wsbk several times, I guess that means nothing. Motogp? A bike you can own vs a bike you cant? That is like saying Mercedes has the fastest best cars on the road because they won thef1 championship. If Kawasaki was to enter motogp now who knows what will happen, from their wsbk championships they can share build a damn good motorcycle. More than one can say for the BMW dud. So great and can't win or place in any competition. Wsbk, stock class, no where.
No KTM, Ducati, aprilia and MV Augusta? They don t count? I would never rely on these guys for input on my next bike. BMW is heads and shoulders above the rest? Show the lap times, price of each machine, maint cost and so on? Heads and shoulders above? I don't think so.
Why on earth would you put a control tyre on the bikes, it should be done with whatever it comes from the factory with, this way you can see what is truly a street-bike, track-bike and which bike is balanced in between. If the tyre that comes standard is hindering performance, say that, but the manufacturers shouldn't get a free pass when it comes to which rubber they wear.
Everything else top notch!!!
@colourdecafe Simply because it's a gixxer. I have no desire to ever even be seen riding one. I ride Kawi!!
@NINJAZX14RRR
Ninja dude, you're wrong. BMW didn't lie or cheat, if anything they under quoted power at the crank, not over quoted like we've seen other manufacturers do in the past. The dyno results from Akrapovic website put the bmw about 5-6 hp peak up on the klacka.
Hm...? R1 gets 4th because it hasn't changed, but neither has the fireblade..which is 2nd now. Yet in 2009, the same R1 beat this same fireblade.
Yes, the prices for the R1 has gone up...but who's talking about prices? The s1000rr is more expensive too
too fucking true mate,
I dont agree with the rankings after 1st......! Gotta learn more about that honda.....cant believe it made 2nd place.....and yes R1 has always been a problem on the road and the streets says a kawi for life guy!!!!! All in all, I still say it comes down to the riders!!!!!
in stock form th zx10r aint all that but if u dress it up properly it will kill, if modded it kills a busa in a straight line and the new tc is gonna do its job round corners. bit dissapointed being a die hard kawa fan, the looks on new bike are awesome except for the ugly tail...now to see a review from motousa and watch how it performs in superbike races
@c7h30r30 I agree with you guys. I don't like the front design of the BMW. doesn't look nice to me compared with the others. we have to keep in mind that ultimately these guys are just sharing their subjective opinions.
they claim to be experts but there are a lot of experts who would disagree with them.
@yamahammer08 SO TRUE ...