This is another example of "presentism." Many, if not most, upper class children of that era were given over to wet nurses and nannies and rarely saw their parents. Mothers of that class who nursed or raised their children themselves were considered odd or to clinging. Please stop judging earlier times by current standards.
@@LJB103 for a long time, marital rape was not considered a crime. That didn’t mean that the girls didn’t suffer from it. Just because something was normal doesn’t mean it didn’t cause pain. And this wasn’t 200BC, this was just over 150 years ago. Sophie referred to Sisi as a ‘silly young mother’ and she was likely the origin of the pamphlet left on Sisi’s desk which described a queen who didn’t produce a son as useless and a dangerous foreigner who should be sent home, even if she didn’t put it there herself. She was only 3 years into her marriage and already being treated like a burden for not immediately having a son.
I liked to inform myself from this kind of amazing work! I think you forgot to mention that Sophie and Franz Karl actually have six children, the fourth child being a beautiful girl who was short-lived, this due to an epilepsy attack, I believe. I consider Sophie as tragic as Elisabeth of Baviera, they we're both victims of the strict viennese court and history make them seem like villans when in actually, Elisabeth was just a young sensible liberal girl who was not ready for the role they put her in, meanwhile Sophie was mature and believe her ideals were the ones that were going to save an empire on the edge of collapsing. I also beloved the knowledge and goodness Franz Karl spread amoung his people. Thank you for this amazing work, I cannot wait for the next video! ^^
She actually wasn't that bad, according to her letters, but it's hard to tell from a historian's perspective. I think she was deeply concerned for the Austrian monarchy, given what it went through in 1848 and she even made her husband abdicate, bc she saw the bigger picture. She definitely wasn't the monster some movies want to show. She was a loving mother and mother in-law.
I believe she was a cruel mother-in-law/aunt to Empress Sisi. I read Sophie was a victim of the Viennese court bullying but when Elisabeth came into the picture, Sophie became part of the clique and in turn, became the bully of Elisabeth. Sophie was known to be nice-nasty to Elisabeth plus Franz Joseph was a bit slow and weak towards his mother which made Sisi isolate herself even more from the Viennese court. And it didn't help that Sophie never became Empress which made her jealous of Sisi.
Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you, and cute Rani your cat doing? I'm doing well. My cat Benjamin is doing well also. He says hi to you and cute Rani, your cat. He sends his purrs. He's playing with his cat toys right now. Does Rani your cat play with cat toys? We have lots of rain in Ontario, Canada. How's the weather where you are? Have a great day see you next video 😊
the weather here is lovely, it’s warm and sunny. We’re enjoying the summer time! Rani is as well, she loves sitting in her catio in the sun. Give Benjamin some purrs and cuddles from Rani and I !
Emperor Ferdinand also had hydrocephalus, but he seems not to have been challenged as was often said. The idea that Maximilian was Sophie's child by an affair with the Duke of Reichstadt (the son of Napoleon and Archduchess Marie Louise) is starting to gain acceptance - or at least no longer being dismissed out of hand. Excellent video.
Thank you very much for this very interesting and important video! I would love to hear and to get to know more about Archduchess Sophie, I mean, her private life and especially political influence. The movies present her as someone very evil 🦹♀️ and mean, and though she didn’t write badly about Sissi, the correspondence of the late tells us vice verse. There are so many controversial issues on these points and they’ll remain so. With best regards ❤
@A. W. You see, the story takes place in A world where the central powers have won the first WW1. So, instead of Fascism rising countries like Britain and France become radical syndicatist.
@@TheKingsofFrance Did he though? Or did he let his minister Schwarzenberg run the show and use him as a scapegoat if things went wrong (which they did)?
We all have our topics that we like, and those we don’t… In july I have a 6 part series coming, an overview of all French monarchs, starting with the merovingian bloodline going to carolingian, capetian, valois, bourbon and post revolution monarchs. you’ll have to sit through a few more sisi videos though, they’re already made lol.
@@TheKingsofFrance Wow, I can’t wait for your French monarchs series! Would you consider making a follow-up set of videos on their Queen consorts sometime in the future?
Didn't know Franz Karl was so generous...Really nice of him to help the theatre and actors. 😊
Sophie taking Sisi’s children away may have been normal for the time but that doesn’t make it not evil. Maybe she wasn’t evil, but she was cruel
This is another example of "presentism." Many, if not most, upper class children of that era were given over to wet nurses and nannies and rarely saw their parents. Mothers of that class who nursed or raised their children themselves were considered odd or to clinging. Please stop judging earlier times by current standards.
thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts Emily !
@@LJB103 for a long time, marital rape was not considered a crime. That didn’t mean that the girls didn’t suffer from it. Just because something was normal doesn’t mean it didn’t cause pain. And this wasn’t 200BC, this was just over 150 years ago. Sophie referred to Sisi as a ‘silly young mother’ and she was likely the origin of the pamphlet left on Sisi’s desk which described a queen who didn’t produce a son as useless and a dangerous foreigner who should be sent home, even if she didn’t put it there herself. She was only 3 years into her marriage and already being treated like a burden for not immediately having a son.
@@emilybarclay8831 What in hell does marital rape have to do with my answer?
@@LJB103it’s just an example of how things that may have been considered ‘acceptable’ back then are in truth rather cruel.
I liked to inform myself from this kind of amazing work! I think you forgot to mention that Sophie and Franz Karl actually have six children, the fourth child being a beautiful girl who was short-lived, this due to an epilepsy attack, I believe. I consider Sophie as tragic as Elisabeth of Baviera, they we're both victims of the strict viennese court and history make them seem like villans when in actually, Elisabeth was just a young sensible liberal girl who was not ready for the role they put her in, meanwhile Sophie was mature and believe her ideals were the ones that were going to save an empire on the edge of collapsing. I also beloved the knowledge and goodness Franz Karl spread amoung his people. Thank you for this amazing work, I cannot wait for the next video! ^^
So glad you like my videos !
She actually wasn't that bad, according to her letters, but it's hard to tell from a historian's perspective.
I think she was deeply concerned for the Austrian monarchy, given what it went through in 1848 and she even made her husband abdicate, bc she saw the bigger picture. She definitely wasn't the monster some movies want to show. She was a loving mother and mother in-law.
I agree. Thanks for watching.
Who.......was just REALLY CRUEL/STRICT
Your thorough research skills on the Austrian Royals is outstanding.Thank you so much.❤
Interesting information on this historical couple. Thank you.
Thanks so much Cherie !
Very interesting! I'm glad for these continuing videos, enjoying the deeper dive into these families!
I have a few more coming up.
Merci for the new video.
Very informative. Thank you.
Thanks for watching Vishnu !
I believe she was a cruel mother-in-law/aunt to Empress Sisi. I read Sophie was a victim of the Viennese court bullying but when Elisabeth came into the picture, Sophie became part of the clique and in turn, became the bully of Elisabeth. Sophie was known to be nice-nasty to Elisabeth plus Franz Joseph was a bit slow and weak towards his mother which made Sisi isolate herself even more from the Viennese court. And it didn't help that Sophie never became Empress which made her jealous of Sisi.
Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts.
She was not a loving mother in law to Elisabeth she was barely even kind to Elisabeth later on, she was nicer to her other daughters in law tho
Fascinating!
Glad you liked the video.
Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you, and cute Rani your cat doing? I'm doing well. My cat Benjamin is doing well also. He says hi to you and cute Rani, your cat. He sends his purrs. He's playing with his cat toys right now. Does Rani your cat play with cat toys? We have lots of rain in Ontario, Canada. How's the weather where you are? Have a great day see you next video 😊
the weather here is lovely, it’s warm and sunny. We’re enjoying the summer time! Rani is as well, she loves sitting in her catio in the sun. Give Benjamin some purrs and cuddles from Rani and I !
Sadly, she was portrayed negatively by movies and the musical. She was a caring, but stern mother-in-law! She also wrote decent things about Sissi!
Thanks so much for commenting !
Emperor Ferdinand also had hydrocephalus, but he seems not to have been challenged as was often said. The idea that Maximilian was Sophie's child by an affair with the Duke of Reichstadt (the son of Napoleon and Archduchess Marie Louise) is starting to gain acceptance - or at least no longer being dismissed out of hand. Excellent video.
Thanks for sharing this info with us.
Super Film
Very good
Thanks Jane !
Thank you very much for this very interesting and important video! I would love to hear and to get to know more about Archduchess Sophie, I mean, her private life and especially political influence. The movies present her as someone very evil 🦹♀️ and mean, and though she didn’t write badly about Sissi, the correspondence of the late tells us vice verse. There are so many controversial issues on these points and they’ll remain so. With best regards ❤
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts
Coincidentally, I just got done watching A kaiserreich episode on Austria-Hungary.
@A. W. SISTER ! Virtual hugs 🤗💓 (•‿•) Sister, I have to know. Have you ever heard of kaiserreich ?
@A. W. You see, the story takes place in A world where the central powers have won the first WW1. So, instead of Fascism rising countries like Britain and France become radical syndicatist.
@A. W. Yeah, although, I don't think Austria Hungary and the ottoman empires would have stayed around after WW1.
I think Sophie was a dedicated mother with political savvy! Merci 🌸♥️!
thanks for watching Christine
I’ve always wondered how Austria-Hungary would’ve ended up had Maximilian been Kaiser. I think he would’ve saved the monarchy there.
I don’t know… times were strange… the 1848 revolution changed a lot. Franz Joseph was a traditional monarch for sure but he tried his best.
@@TheKingsofFrance Did he though? Or did he let his minister Schwarzenberg run the show and use him as a scapegoat if things went wrong (which they did)?
What is your favorite Time Period in history and which one of Henry's wivies would fit in today's society ?
My favorite period ? definitely the reign of Louis XIV. Obviously!
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Thanks so much for watching again !
Kings of France.
Sophie did speak badly about Elisabeth you got that wrong
Thanks for watching and commenting
I have A question for you Kings of France; how do you feel about polygamy ?
I feel that it’s not my business to judge how other people wish to lead their lives…
I'm so sorry but I'll wait for something more interesting
We all have our topics that we like, and those we don’t… In july I have a 6 part series coming, an overview of all French monarchs, starting with the merovingian bloodline going to carolingian, capetian, valois, bourbon and post revolution monarchs. you’ll have to sit through a few more sisi videos though, they’re already made lol.
@@TheKingsofFrance Wow, I can’t wait for your French monarchs series! Would you consider making a follow-up set of videos on their Queen consorts sometime in the future?
@@TheKingsofFrance That sounds awesome!