Is Matt Rinella creating a war amongst hunters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2023
- In today’s video I want to start a discussion and see what everyones opinions are about the argument being made by many so-called hunting, access, and land management groups. Specifically the argument that Matt Rinella is laying out, and has been laying out, for the past few months. Let me know what you think. #hunting #shootinng #publicland #trcp #bha #Montana #elk #deer #turkey #midwest #duckhunting
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Man, this is spot on. As someone born and raised in North MO I can attest to everything stated. Wish more people talked about it too. Good luck this year
IMO i think Stephen is and incredibly based hunter. Hunts for the challenge and kills for meat. Although he gets paid to do so, his show displays the right way to hunt. On the other hand, there has always been a dark side of the hunting culture. People that go hunting just to add something to their kill list. A whitetail guy that takes loins and backstrap and leaves the rest in the field should be banned for life IMO. Killing has become content as a result, there is little respect for the animal in the new wave. Ive stopped hunting with a lot of people because i just didnt feel right about it, and instagram killers are making it worse. Its not Stephens fault but meat-eater definitely had an impact.
Hunting is a game for the rich. It is only getting worse.
We’re moving towards the European model and a break neck speed
I like Matt but he's coming off as a hater. That being said, I cringed when Meateater filmed the Osceola hunt in South Florida. Our public land is hard enough to draw permits on and this episode will all but guarantee it takes me an extra few points to draw in the coming year.
Thanks for sharing! I agree with you that leasing isn't a big deal. Personally my least favorite part of hunting is dealing with inconsiderate people, so I don't blame a guy for leasing land. I think the bigger issue is corporate greed, and massive influencers getting self-serving try hards out in the field. I have always had a desire to hunt, influencers or not.
I also don't think Matt has amazing people skills, and he may be a bit abrasive. I do admire him for taking a strong stance, as most people are trying desperately to serve the companies that sponsor them. Thank you for the video sir, I think most people agree with you, and I am going to be watching Matt closely as well. I agree with a lot of what he has to say. God bless
I appreciate the well thought out comments and look forward to more from Matt as well.
I appreciate that you have a point and the courage to put it up on TH-cam, but for hell sakes get to it. Make some notes and decide what you want to say before you just sit down and ramble. Matt Rinella would straight up slaughter you in a debate. His main point is that wildlife is being exploited for the sake of social media and that recruiting more hunters in order to sell more Sitka and First Lite gear is wrong on every level. I like Steven Rinella - I think he's a pioneer in the sport because he brilliantly connected hunting and eating wild game. But Matt stopped him and Callahan and all the others dead in their tracks when he asked them why they don't publish the times they wounded an elk and when he asked if they ever find themselves out hunting to feed the social media beast when they would rather be home with their wives and kids and when he asked if they go hunting when their freezers are full of meat in order to feed the social media beast they have created. These are fair questions that deserve the discussion. I think the whole land leasing is evil argument is more of a sidebar to a bigger discussion. Matt is absolutely right that no one in this space who is getting their bread buttered by the hunting industry has the courage to take a position - Steven Rinella included.
Fair enough on my end. It was really just rambling thoughts a few months ago. Now fast forward to Matt R’s very successful podcast “hunt quietly” I’d say for a guy who wants to keep his passion for himself he’s pretty damned vocal. And for him to say they had t seen any bad shots or hunts on the show is not true. I’ve seen wounding and no kill hunts on there.
I think you’re confusing the point. Naming a podcast, “Hunt Quietly” doesn’t mean you aren’t vocal about your opinions and beliefs. He’s advocating for a culture change within the hunting community that supports less brand shouting and self promotion. He’s not advocating, that I’ve seen, for hunters to be quite literally less vocal. You’re comparing apples to oranges in your comment here. Matt has a point and I think some of it is absolutely valid.
@john…
For one….
It’s not up to you to decide how or what he talks about.. Why would you think that dictating to someone how they should do things is anywhere approaching necessary… ??
Secondly… I can and will agree with some of the points related to media in hunting.. definitely some issues that can be talked about…
However… Matt has said, in his own words. He believes that the number of hunters currently enjoying the outdoors, should be reduced by 50%…. 50%.
Imagine being so selfish… so egotistical… That you believe 50% of current hunters should not be allowed to enjoy the outdoors.. Imagine believing that..
Imagine the mindset… Now obviously Matt would not be included in the 50% of hunters that should pack up and never hunt again…
I know Matt has some good points.. some things worth talking about.
But saying things like that… and attacking everyday people that you would think you need to change the minds of… doesn’t add up..
But again… He believes people are evil and again… 50% of hunters should be done.
Not a good look in my eyes
I didn't watch the debate between Matt and The Meat Eater guys and I don't know how they responded to Matt's question about whether they go hunting for social media when they'd rather stay home, but it is an interesting/funny question. Thinking about what I'd have said, I would have replied with something to the effect of "sometimes I do have to go out, yes. That's my job and just like other people have to go do their job on days they'd rather not, we do too." Maybe that was his point, but I'm also not going to find fault with Steve and crew for creating a product that other people want to pay for.
hunters are always celebritys its just a scaled up version of our origins. back in the day the hunters that were able to provide food for the people were looked apon highly. obviously its different now, because people are not starving and can go buy food, but anyone who can actually achieve harvesting a older wiser larger animal, is going to be reconized to some degree more than others. this is just part of the conversation.
I came to this video to find out what the controversy is surrounding the Matt/Steve Rinella situation. After 6 minutes of watching I still have no idea.
I could do quick synopsis on that issue.
Bunch of rambling is about all i heard
That’s exactly what it is. Spewing thoughts.
I totally agree with Matt’s view point. Take a look around and see the effects it’s had on access. People post their spots and when non ethical hunters find out, they really hammer the areas which everyone floods too. Absolutely bad what’s going on and the bad thing is, the hunting community thinks it’s helping hunting in general. Draw odds are way down and what used to be fun is losing its reasoning why we do it because it’s “the cool” thing to do. Money for the rich is the focus now. I have to agree with Matt on many of his opinions.
I call BS. As if there are that many non ethical hunters that flood into any random area that someone mentions. C'mon.
In this day and age, oh boy you betcha there is. We live in a me first selfish generation. Anything for the ego stroke.
its a double edged sword more hunters means more crowded public ground and more people leasing, but the more hunters the bigger the voice when it comes to loosing hunting rights
Haha very well said from a hunting land lease “company”
Oh yeah. I facilitate people to get leases. Kind of the “middle man”. I’ve got no shame in that. I handle about 2300 acres. Mostly waterfowl short term with a few deer leases. This is where I get so bent out of shape by MR’s comments. People would, in another world look to him as a mentor. I have families calling me all the time begging for any ground they can get to hunt. When I call someone and say “hey, I just got a nice little 40 acre piece for deer for $1500” they are elated. A place to go with their kids and hunt un-impeded. Matt Rinella basically thinks that Dad or Mom is a piece of garbage. Unacceptable. And as long as he has a forum. I will speak out against the king of public land.
I’m not against people taking up hunting. I’m against people taking it up bc all of sudden they have social media showing them everything the rest of us worked so hard for.
Real tree and Mossy oak are successful because they sold a lifestyle. Hunting, outdoor lifestyle. They weren't the "best hunters". Other guys that were, didn't become as famous. Most people tuning into hunting shows want to see a big buck. Most don't want to see the small 6 pointer they shot. Until Steve made Meateater popular thats what hunting TV was. I think Steve has helped the sport tremendously. There are just more people everywhere. Matt acts like the old city council member that doesn't want his town to grow...and it will and it won't matter what he says.
This is very much in line with my opinion. Things are going to change
At the end of the day what we are missing from all internet influencers is the promotion of ethics and being held accountable no matter your discipline. I can shoot a bow 100yds easy all day but I would never consider shooting at an animal over 50. If a feeding deer or elk wants to eat the next blade of grass at the same moment you shoot you just missed or wounded that animal. The 1000yd rifle guys are no different. I enjoy shooting at gongs out to 1000 plus yds but the smallest of errors even with the most modern tech at over 500ish are compounded drastically. We as sportsmen need to embody that word and set examples for younger generations. Cam shoots a giant bull at 90yds on a private ranch and posts a pic so everybody that goes to a total archery challenge shoot try’s to do the same. A huge percentage leaving animals with arrows stuck in them to die later un recovered. If the most popular instagram and you tube hunters put a emphasis on ethics in every video the hunting community would not be so divided.
I can’t disagree here. A lot of truth to this. And I believe that a large majority of folks who hunt aren’t in the LR or ELR hang with rifles and bows. What I do worry about is that we have new hunters and adult onset hunters who see these vids, as they are the most prominent and believe this is the way.
Well said, side x sides , and ATV,s have also over run the landscape in most areas, Idaho has pretty good management of this during hunting Utah fair . Here in Utah if you can get away from the roads far enough you can find good animals on public lands but in the 50 plus years I have hunted it has changed draws and units have made for it hard to obtain a permit . It is still the dollars from hunters and the items they purchase that drive our rights to hunt and fish. Let’s hope we do not lose sight of that
I feel this! I can't take a hard stance. Not because I am afraid to speak, but because there are so many layers. I can certainly relate to the what was and what is. I get really frustrated about the loss of hunting access and decline in good habitat and populations of critters. I live in the far west and have access to millions of public acres. That said, if I had an opportunity to own a 1000 acre chunk of land I can manage for my use and the wild animals, and I could have good hunting for myself and family I would! I appreciate the honesty.
I hear what your saying about losing land to farmers and it sucks but I myself am an avid hunter and I farm roughly a thousand acres in Minnesota and from a farming perspective my family and my living comes first hunting is just a bonus
Ill say this...if you run out and buy shit cuzz some YT or TV show says you need it to do the job. Then welcome to marketing and sales. You either didn't do research or just bought it on a whim. Relax we all have done it at least once. Some of us more often.
I live in Oklahoma and people who lease are definitely a part of the problem. You just bitched about developers coming up in and taking over land for beams then turn around and say it’s ok for hunters to do the same thing because they are hunters and have the money. Growing up you used to be able to help someone bale hay or work calves in the spring to hunt now that is all gone because some hotshot from god knows where comes in and leases the hunting rights for way more than a welder with a family can afford. Here’s the kicker on several other occasions I have offered to help pay the lease or negotiate in whatever way I can to be able to hunt land that I had hunted for years and the douche with dollar bills to throw away usually wants nothing to do with it or tries to set some arbitrary rules in place for me. I love how guys who say you shouldn’t bitch about access have all the access I listen to guys who hunt half the year in six states bitch about access while I can’t hardly even hunt my home state because of leases or out of state hunters what we need to do is reach a consensus as a community that we won’t be so worried about trophies that we forget what hunting is about that is the problem nobody wants to enjoy the outdoors or help the next generation learn important life lessons everybody just wants to be in the Boone and Crockett books
Oklahoma and Texas were the first two places I was exposed to leases many years ago. I’d never even heard of such a thing until a quail hunt with my Grandad. I also want people to take a broader look at the landowner. And sometimes in my area you may have a cash rent farmer who also rents hunting rights. Making money x2. Again, I understand it, capitalism. I lease a 170 acre farm for $2500. I save $200 per month into a special account and pay at year end. It’s a priority for me. It gives me the ability to hunt with the kids within 15 min of home. I’m a blue collar guy in construction. I get the pinch that this puts a lot of us in. We’ve got our family place two hours away that we hunt throughout the year. But when schedules for kids sports and work is slammed. Having a close access place is crucial to me. Funny thing is this. Our farm lease is having a lot of clearing done. The owner is a great guy who’s a farmer. He wants 20 more rollable acres. Much to our disappointment. But it’s still better than nothing. A lot of landowners and even more farmers aren’t friendly to two things 1. Trees 2. Deer.
Never heard of Matt until today and I’ve followed meat eater for years
If you have the time go listen to the episode. When Steve says “at the end of day, it’s my fuckin show” I about died. Loved it.
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Let this be clear. Our way of life is dying. Kids are not interested in fishing and hunting. Land is becoming Scarce. The social and political environment is agianst us. Yet our community does nothing but squabble. We do nothing but make it more niche and more exclusive. We are our own worst enemy. A dogmatic elite group outdoorsman have become. ESPECIALLY the hunting world. Go to a public spot on opening day of duck season. You won’t meet a friendly face I promise you. It’s out of control.
The hunting industry has grown into a multi billion dollar industry. I think many people who've been life-long hunters would argue we are seeing more people hunting. And we have reduced access to land and reduced opportunities. I can certainly say that bag limits/tags have decreased in my life time. I know a lot of guys just 10-15 years older then me who talk about how much scarcer duck/deer are now. I don't believe for a second we have less hunters and this way of life is 'dying'. Hunting is more competitive and crowded then ever. I can see both sides of the issue. The more hunters we have, the more power we have against anti-hunters & to promote conservation. However guys in many states will have to accept the fact they may not get tags to hunt some years.
Matt Rinella raises some good points, but he also comes across as elitist. All the cash, egos, obsession with trophy antlers and crowded public land certainly are impacting the hunting experience. But on the other hand hunting really is one of the last meaningful ways for people to connect with nature and wild animals; it's not the same as yoga or whatever other hobby. Furthermore, promotion of hunting broadens the constituency for wildlife and public lands. The rest of the environmental movement seems to have completely forgotten about wildlife, framing everything instead as a climate change issue, so hunting is the last thing keeping millions of acres of habitat on public land and private land from being turned into ag and urban sprawl
I do lease a farm close to home. And am lucky enough to have my place 2 hrs away. I don’t pay much and I’m lunch to have friends that make me a deal for some work we do. The farm we have lease now is getting completely destroyed to get another 20 acres of beans/corn. Great bedding destroyed. Pond filled. I hate it. The economics of owning this high priced land are so difficult.
@@thelockstockandbarrelpodca6595 yep similar story here. When I was a kid a long time ago our area was mixed small farming with grass pasture, Timothy hay and various row crops. You could shoot bobwhites, wild pheasants and sharp-tailed grouse right around there. There were also various other birds, snakes, frogs, lots of insects, etc. as well as a creek with wild brook trout. But now what isn't being turned into Wally Marts, strip malls and vinyl villages is just an ocean of corn & soy with little wildlife. That creek is dried up through most of the year almost definitely due to center-pivot irrigation. There are still turkeys and deer but the only upland hunting to speak of is stocked pheasants on the WMAs.
Matt Rinella is right
Great points. Sad times through and through. Sadly I can see some jack a s s, trying to push me around out there, trying to get his way. Lord have mercy!
You know one I’d ever going to agree in everything the other says but I can damn sure tell you that I believe you got more sense then Matt
Quinlan Ranch hat is ironic. :)
Man! I can’t believe no one noticed that. Full disclosure I’ve never been. Had a friend who works in construction with me. A vendor took him there on an Elk hunt.
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Matt is just jealous geeze it's a sign of the times get over it bro
Matt comes across as a Karen
Everyone has the same damn right to wild game as the next man. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear anyone take the “bully” stance. Can’t hunt here cuz you’re not from here. We’ve been doing it longer so stay out. Bull 💩. Public land was created for The Public and like it or not, if guys are legally licensed to hunt then they’ve got every right.
I agree whole heartedly. There’s a lot of folks out west who disagree. They think because they were there first, they have first dibs.
Language, man. Who would want their family member to watch and listen. It crippled what you had to say.
Really? Crying over language? Grow up. As far as the message, sometimes to get the discussion going, people must see the worst case scenario to appreciate the common ground.
Cry louder Karen...
Omgawd... get to the point... stop pandering
You talk a lot but you don't really say anything
I’m having a conversation with myself really. I’ve been compiling some notes and points for a conversation with Matt. Stay tuned.
Matt is a hunting eliteist. He wants to keep the Regular People out of Hunting! What a jerk!
..listen to Matts talk at the Pope and Young Convention. He articulates his position well in that talk..he’s 100% for the regular people..the hunting industry only wants our money period.