Man, this is spot on. As someone born and raised in North MO I can attest to everything stated. Wish more people talked about it too. Good luck this year
I appreciate that you have a point and the courage to put it up on TH-cam, but for hell sakes get to it. Make some notes and decide what you want to say before you just sit down and ramble. Matt Rinella would straight up slaughter you in a debate. His main point is that wildlife is being exploited for the sake of social media and that recruiting more hunters in order to sell more Sitka and First Lite gear is wrong on every level. I like Steven Rinella - I think he's a pioneer in the sport because he brilliantly connected hunting and eating wild game. But Matt stopped him and Callahan and all the others dead in their tracks when he asked them why they don't publish the times they wounded an elk and when he asked if they ever find themselves out hunting to feed the social media beast when they would rather be home with their wives and kids and when he asked if they go hunting when their freezers are full of meat in order to feed the social media beast they have created. These are fair questions that deserve the discussion. I think the whole land leasing is evil argument is more of a sidebar to a bigger discussion. Matt is absolutely right that no one in this space who is getting their bread buttered by the hunting industry has the courage to take a position - Steven Rinella included.
Fair enough on my end. It was really just rambling thoughts a few months ago. Now fast forward to Matt R’s very successful podcast “hunt quietly” I’d say for a guy who wants to keep his passion for himself he’s pretty damned vocal. And for him to say they had t seen any bad shots or hunts on the show is not true. I’ve seen wounding and no kill hunts on there.
I think you’re confusing the point. Naming a podcast, “Hunt Quietly” doesn’t mean you aren’t vocal about your opinions and beliefs. He’s advocating for a culture change within the hunting community that supports less brand shouting and self promotion. He’s not advocating, that I’ve seen, for hunters to be quite literally less vocal. You’re comparing apples to oranges in your comment here. Matt has a point and I think some of it is absolutely valid.
@john… For one…. It’s not up to you to decide how or what he talks about.. Why would you think that dictating to someone how they should do things is anywhere approaching necessary… ?? Secondly… I can and will agree with some of the points related to media in hunting.. definitely some issues that can be talked about… However… Matt has said, in his own words. He believes that the number of hunters currently enjoying the outdoors, should be reduced by 50%…. 50%. Imagine being so selfish… so egotistical… That you believe 50% of current hunters should not be allowed to enjoy the outdoors.. Imagine believing that.. Imagine the mindset… Now obviously Matt would not be included in the 50% of hunters that should pack up and never hunt again… I know Matt has some good points.. some things worth talking about. But saying things like that… and attacking everyday people that you would think you need to change the minds of… doesn’t add up.. But again… He believes people are evil and again… 50% of hunters should be done. Not a good look in my eyes
I didn't watch the debate between Matt and The Meat Eater guys and I don't know how they responded to Matt's question about whether they go hunting for social media when they'd rather stay home, but it is an interesting/funny question. Thinking about what I'd have said, I would have replied with something to the effect of "sometimes I do have to go out, yes. That's my job and just like other people have to go do their job on days they'd rather not, we do too." Maybe that was his point, but I'm also not going to find fault with Steve and crew for creating a product that other people want to pay for.
I totally agree with Matt’s view point. Take a look around and see the effects it’s had on access. People post their spots and when non ethical hunters find out, they really hammer the areas which everyone floods too. Absolutely bad what’s going on and the bad thing is, the hunting community thinks it’s helping hunting in general. Draw odds are way down and what used to be fun is losing its reasoning why we do it because it’s “the cool” thing to do. Money for the rich is the focus now. I have to agree with Matt on many of his opinions.
IMO i think Stephen is and incredibly based hunter. Hunts for the challenge and kills for meat. Although he gets paid to do so, his show displays the right way to hunt. On the other hand, there has always been a dark side of the hunting culture. People that go hunting just to add something to their kill list. A whitetail guy that takes loins and backstrap and leaves the rest in the field should be banned for life IMO. Killing has become content as a result, there is little respect for the animal in the new wave. Ive stopped hunting with a lot of people because i just didnt feel right about it, and instagram killers are making it worse. Its not Stephens fault but meat-eater definitely had an impact.
I’m not against people taking up hunting. I’m against people taking it up bc all of sudden they have social media showing them everything the rest of us worked so hard for.
hunters are always celebritys its just a scaled up version of our origins. back in the day the hunters that were able to provide food for the people were looked apon highly. obviously its different now, because people are not starving and can go buy food, but anyone who can actually achieve harvesting a older wiser larger animal, is going to be reconized to some degree more than others. this is just part of the conversation.
Real tree and Mossy oak are successful because they sold a lifestyle. Hunting, outdoor lifestyle. They weren't the "best hunters". Other guys that were, didn't become as famous. Most people tuning into hunting shows want to see a big buck. Most don't want to see the small 6 pointer they shot. Until Steve made Meateater popular thats what hunting TV was. I think Steve has helped the sport tremendously. There are just more people everywhere. Matt acts like the old city council member that doesn't want his town to grow...and it will and it won't matter what he says.
I came to this video to find out what the controversy is surrounding the Matt/Steve Rinella situation. After 6 minutes of watching I still have no idea.
its a double edged sword more hunters means more crowded public ground and more people leasing, but the more hunters the bigger the voice when it comes to loosing hunting rights
I like Matt but he's coming off as a hater. That being said, I cringed when Meateater filmed the Osceola hunt in South Florida. Our public land is hard enough to draw permits on and this episode will all but guarantee it takes me an extra few points to draw in the coming year.
I’ve had several leases fall apart after I build the heard start the lease not seeing a shooter then loosing after all that work do to a money grubbing toe stepping no good man tripling up or more on the lease
Let this be clear. Our way of life is dying. Kids are not interested in fishing and hunting. Land is becoming Scarce. The social and political environment is agianst us. Yet our community does nothing but squabble. We do nothing but make it more niche and more exclusive. We are our own worst enemy. A dogmatic elite group outdoorsman have become. ESPECIALLY the hunting world. Go to a public spot on opening day of duck season. You won’t meet a friendly face I promise you. It’s out of control.
The hunting industry has grown into a multi billion dollar industry. I think many people who've been life-long hunters would argue we are seeing more people hunting. And we have reduced access to land and reduced opportunities. I can certainly say that bag limits/tags have decreased in my life time. I know a lot of guys just 10-15 years older then me who talk about how much scarcer duck/deer are now. I don't believe for a second we have less hunters and this way of life is 'dying'. Hunting is more competitive and crowded then ever. I can see both sides of the issue. The more hunters we have, the more power we have against anti-hunters & to promote conservation. However guys in many states will have to accept the fact they may not get tags to hunt some years.
Thanks for sharing! I agree with you that leasing isn't a big deal. Personally my least favorite part of hunting is dealing with inconsiderate people, so I don't blame a guy for leasing land. I think the bigger issue is corporate greed, and massive influencers getting self-serving try hards out in the field. I have always had a desire to hunt, influencers or not. I also don't think Matt has amazing people skills, and he may be a bit abrasive. I do admire him for taking a strong stance, as most people are trying desperately to serve the companies that sponsor them. Thank you for the video sir, I think most people agree with you, and I am going to be watching Matt closely as well. I agree with a lot of what he has to say. God bless
At the end of the day what we are missing from all internet influencers is the promotion of ethics and being held accountable no matter your discipline. I can shoot a bow 100yds easy all day but I would never consider shooting at an animal over 50. If a feeding deer or elk wants to eat the next blade of grass at the same moment you shoot you just missed or wounded that animal. The 1000yd rifle guys are no different. I enjoy shooting at gongs out to 1000 plus yds but the smallest of errors even with the most modern tech at over 500ish are compounded drastically. We as sportsmen need to embody that word and set examples for younger generations. Cam shoots a giant bull at 90yds on a private ranch and posts a pic so everybody that goes to a total archery challenge shoot try’s to do the same. A huge percentage leaving animals with arrows stuck in them to die later un recovered. If the most popular instagram and you tube hunters put a emphasis on ethics in every video the hunting community would not be so divided.
I can’t disagree here. A lot of truth to this. And I believe that a large majority of folks who hunt aren’t in the LR or ELR hang with rifles and bows. What I do worry about is that we have new hunters and adult onset hunters who see these vids, as they are the most prominent and believe this is the way.
Well said, side x sides , and ATV,s have also over run the landscape in most areas, Idaho has pretty good management of this during hunting Utah fair . Here in Utah if you can get away from the roads far enough you can find good animals on public lands but in the 50 plus years I have hunted it has changed draws and units have made for it hard to obtain a permit . It is still the dollars from hunters and the items they purchase that drive our rights to hunt and fish. Let’s hope we do not lose sight of that
Matt Rinella raises some good points, but he also comes across as elitist. All the cash, egos, obsession with trophy antlers and crowded public land certainly are impacting the hunting experience. But on the other hand hunting really is one of the last meaningful ways for people to connect with nature and wild animals; it's not the same as yoga or whatever other hobby. Furthermore, promotion of hunting broadens the constituency for wildlife and public lands. The rest of the environmental movement seems to have completely forgotten about wildlife, framing everything instead as a climate change issue, so hunting is the last thing keeping millions of acres of habitat on public land and private land from being turned into ag and urban sprawl
I do lease a farm close to home. And am lucky enough to have my place 2 hrs away. I don’t pay much and I’m lunch to have friends that make me a deal for some work we do. The farm we have lease now is getting completely destroyed to get another 20 acres of beans/corn. Great bedding destroyed. Pond filled. I hate it. The economics of owning this high priced land are so difficult.
@@TLHyoutube yep similar story here. When I was a kid a long time ago our area was mixed small farming with grass pasture, Timothy hay and various row crops. You could shoot bobwhites, wild pheasants and sharp-tailed grouse right around there. There were also various other birds, snakes, frogs, lots of insects, etc. as well as a creek with wild brook trout. But now what isn't being turned into Wally Marts, strip malls and vinyl villages is just an ocean of corn & soy with little wildlife. That creek is dried up through most of the year almost definitely due to center-pivot irrigation. There are still turkeys and deer but the only upland hunting to speak of is stocked pheasants on the WMAs.
Any hunter who says they would turn down BEING PAID to hunt trophy animals is lying to themselves. Even if it was only for a few years , get the best newest gear for free and get paid to do what you love anyway. Isn't that basically what athletes are? Isn't that the world we live in today? If you don't think exactly the way I do your wrong.
I hear what your saying about losing land to farmers and it sucks but I myself am an avid hunter and I farm roughly a thousand acres in Minnesota and from a farming perspective my family and my living comes first hunting is just a bonus
If I sit here and think about what all this boils down to, it’s greed. You have hunters that think they own a piece of public land. Large land owners who only let the highest bidder hunt their land. Corporations like industrial timber combines getting an indefinite leases from the BLM for a dollar and closing so that only the companies upper management and whoever they are smooozing can hunt it, or charging $500 for an access pass. This shit is going on in all facets of life. You have to pay for a pass to even be In National Forest. Here in Oregon ODFW has destroyed salmon stocks and has issued too many big game tags for decades. Then an influx of population and it now it sucks. Fuck you can’t even play a golf course that isn’t a zoo anymore. The ski resorts are a zoo with way too many people, unbelievable prices, and you can pay more to cut in line. Society has been overrun with lazy, egotistical, selfish, greedy people. Then instead of people trying to find solutions they start arguing matches about why I’m right or why you’re wrong. There are easy solutions to all of this, and it stars with the next generation. If you have kids then it needs to your, your family, and your communities mission to build them into people that will want to go work for fish and game departments so they can fix the mess. State fish and game departments should also hit the only or final say in what happens. We pay the fees, we need more power. How about this. Give some tag sales profits to private land owners in exchange for letting them grant access. Tax breaks and incentives for farmers to keep parts of their land for animal habitat. We’ve got all the money, it just needs to go to good things, but that G word I was just harping on…
I feel this! I can't take a hard stance. Not because I am afraid to speak, but because there are so many layers. I can certainly relate to the what was and what is. I get really frustrated about the loss of hunting access and decline in good habitat and populations of critters. I live in the far west and have access to millions of public acres. That said, if I had an opportunity to own a 1000 acre chunk of land I can manage for my use and the wild animals, and I could have good hunting for myself and family I would! I appreciate the honesty.
"Getting back to basics... I think too often the break is two fold. Those with money, those that don't have as much and how those that always have the new things (usually because they are given it by the companies) and the push is always "the new thing" makes people not embrace across the board. Hell... my daughter the other day was with my wife... and they were looking at FB for some reason, and an EVA Shockey post popped up and my daughter asked about her (she's 8) and my wife said she doesn't care to see her always with the newest gear getting an animal because she was either handed it by vendors, or such... and I understood where my wife was coming from. On the other hand I shot 3-D for years... and it's similar there... the fun aspect has been destroyed... the IBO has always been serious... but I'm sorry... I'd love to see the open guys shoot the same course with a true basic hunting set up... maybe they wouldn't be separating by just a couple x's. When the R100 by rinehart got started there were NO SCORES captured. Focus was about the fun... and shooting whatever yardage you wanted to. Now the R100 is scored and the focus is on a score again. The Total Archery Challenge alienates your average blue collar guy that doesn't do crazy back pack hunting. Then take a look at yall... talking about having multiple new bows every year... and setting them up for so many different scenarios... Archery in my opinion used to be a blue collar thing... something that was easier for everyone to do as a full sport. Not sporting clays or trap or so on... but something that just about anyone could afford to get into . I love made in the USA gear... you can't touch some hunting sights for under $200... a damn sight. I think bringing things back to blue collar... to fun...have the competitions... but the damn elitism that has come to archery has truly torn it apart" - From a video on another channel about the subject.
I love this. Especially the archery aspect. I haven’t bought a bow in 10 years and my diamond ice man is still as serviceable and shootable as ever. Same as my recurves. They all flat work. I’m too often caught by the gear bug and need to have a chat with myself to slow down and be conscientious of what type of example I’m leaving for my kids and those around me. I too shot IBO very competitively in the 90’s and it was brutally fun. I look at used bows at Scheels and often threaten to upgrade. I just can’t. $1k for a bow is nonsense. The accessories are out of this world like you said. My son is a great example at 14. He has the buy once cry once mentality from me. BUT he stays content. A virtue.
I feel very strongly... about a lot of things... and I am usually very vocal and opinionated. I stumbled on an elk shape podcast from 7 months ago that turned me on to this whole debate. I think we are losing site of the basics. It's become all about the gear... getting the latest and greatest. Pricing out average people. Companies sponsoring people like it's going out of style. Whether it's in the hunting side of the world or competition. What ever happened to doing this for the fun and enjoyment and as a source of food. Now it's all about the trophy and gear...don't get me wrong I love gear... I am a knife nerd. But damn. There are not a lot of good places to hunt securely...People like to have a tree-stand up have a nice piece of land that they can hunt... maybe have a camper or something on it. The East is a lot different than the west when it comes to hunting areas. I'll also post my rant from the ElkShape video.. This schism in the hunting community isn't going to be good for anyone.
This conversation has turned to a back to basics chat and I love it. Will be talking about that soon. My number one grind with Matt and his podium is that he blatantly speaks out to people who lease ground to hunt and treats them like trash. I’m not trash. I’m a good person with good values and my kids are no different. I’m taking his ground in Montana. I’m taking 150 acres in the Midwest to use and cherish. When I can afford it. Which isn’t every year. I think if he shifted his focus to just hunting “celebrity” and away from all who aren’t like him. He’d gain some real ground.
@@TLHyoutube I think that's exactly right. I have hunted most of my life in NY and it's far more difficult to hunt regularly when you don't have dedicated land... because of so many different reason. But again... getting back to basics... Not to attack the company... but let's take Montana Knife Company for example... so many (including steve r.) have gone to them... there are no blue collar hunters going out there and buying these knives... I mean $200 for a skeletonized and wrapped blade? you have the paid and heavily supported hunters going and making videos with brand new equipment every year tends to alienate many people. So much of this is getting absolutely crazy... a few need to stand up and put some of the industry in check... that's just a fact.
Oh yeah. I facilitate people to get leases. Kind of the “middle man”. I’ve got no shame in that. I handle about 2300 acres. Mostly waterfowl short term with a few deer leases. This is where I get so bent out of shape by MR’s comments. People would, in another world look to him as a mentor. I have families calling me all the time begging for any ground they can get to hunt. When I call someone and say “hey, I just got a nice little 40 acre piece for deer for $1500” they are elated. A place to go with their kids and hunt un-impeded. Matt Rinella basically thinks that Dad or Mom is a piece of garbage. Unacceptable. And as long as he has a forum. I will speak out against the king of public land.
I’ve got no problems with private citizens leasing land to hunters. I do have a huge problem with companies like Weyerhaeuser getting indefinite land leases for a dollar from the BLM then revoking access or charging $500 for a permit.
Great points. Sad times through and through. Sadly I can see some jack a s s, trying to push me around out there, trying to get his way. Lord have mercy!
I live in Oklahoma and people who lease are definitely a part of the problem. You just bitched about developers coming up in and taking over land for beams then turn around and say it’s ok for hunters to do the same thing because they are hunters and have the money. Growing up you used to be able to help someone bale hay or work calves in the spring to hunt now that is all gone because some hotshot from god knows where comes in and leases the hunting rights for way more than a welder with a family can afford. Here’s the kicker on several other occasions I have offered to help pay the lease or negotiate in whatever way I can to be able to hunt land that I had hunted for years and the douche with dollar bills to throw away usually wants nothing to do with it or tries to set some arbitrary rules in place for me. I love how guys who say you shouldn’t bitch about access have all the access I listen to guys who hunt half the year in six states bitch about access while I can’t hardly even hunt my home state because of leases or out of state hunters what we need to do is reach a consensus as a community that we won’t be so worried about trophies that we forget what hunting is about that is the problem nobody wants to enjoy the outdoors or help the next generation learn important life lessons everybody just wants to be in the Boone and Crockett books
Oklahoma and Texas were the first two places I was exposed to leases many years ago. I’d never even heard of such a thing until a quail hunt with my Grandad. I also want people to take a broader look at the landowner. And sometimes in my area you may have a cash rent farmer who also rents hunting rights. Making money x2. Again, I understand it, capitalism. I lease a 170 acre farm for $2500. I save $200 per month into a special account and pay at year end. It’s a priority for me. It gives me the ability to hunt with the kids within 15 min of home. I’m a blue collar guy in construction. I get the pinch that this puts a lot of us in. We’ve got our family place two hours away that we hunt throughout the year. But when schedules for kids sports and work is slammed. Having a close access place is crucial to me. Funny thing is this. Our farm lease is having a lot of clearing done. The owner is a great guy who’s a farmer. He wants 20 more rollable acres. Much to our disappointment. But it’s still better than nothing. A lot of landowners and even more farmers aren’t friendly to two things 1. Trees 2. Deer.
Ill say this...if you run out and buy shit cuzz some YT or TV show says you need it to do the job. Then welcome to marketing and sales. You either didn't do research or just bought it on a whim. Relax we all have done it at least once. Some of us more often.
I agree. Buy Ozonics so the deer don’t smell you? What the hell. Dude you already have scentlok clothing, cover scents, playing the wind and you’re 25 feet up in a tree. If any of those things actually worked you couldn’t justify buying the rest.
Everyone has the same damn right to wild game as the next man. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear anyone take the “bully” stance. Can’t hunt here cuz you’re not from here. We’ve been doing it longer so stay out. Bull 💩. Public land was created for The Public and like it or not, if guys are legally licensed to hunt then they’ve got every right.
..listen to Matts talk at the Pope and Young Convention. He articulates his position well in that talk..he’s 100% for the regular people..the hunting industry only wants our money period.
Really? Crying over language? Grow up. As far as the message, sometimes to get the discussion going, people must see the worst case scenario to appreciate the common ground.
Man! I can’t believe no one noticed that. Full disclosure I’ve never been. Had a friend who works in construction with me. A vendor took him there on an Elk hunt.
Hunting is a game for the rich. It is only getting worse.
We’re moving towards the European model and a break neck speed
Man, this is spot on. As someone born and raised in North MO I can attest to everything stated. Wish more people talked about it too. Good luck this year
I appreciate that you have a point and the courage to put it up on TH-cam, but for hell sakes get to it. Make some notes and decide what you want to say before you just sit down and ramble. Matt Rinella would straight up slaughter you in a debate. His main point is that wildlife is being exploited for the sake of social media and that recruiting more hunters in order to sell more Sitka and First Lite gear is wrong on every level. I like Steven Rinella - I think he's a pioneer in the sport because he brilliantly connected hunting and eating wild game. But Matt stopped him and Callahan and all the others dead in their tracks when he asked them why they don't publish the times they wounded an elk and when he asked if they ever find themselves out hunting to feed the social media beast when they would rather be home with their wives and kids and when he asked if they go hunting when their freezers are full of meat in order to feed the social media beast they have created. These are fair questions that deserve the discussion. I think the whole land leasing is evil argument is more of a sidebar to a bigger discussion. Matt is absolutely right that no one in this space who is getting their bread buttered by the hunting industry has the courage to take a position - Steven Rinella included.
Fair enough on my end. It was really just rambling thoughts a few months ago. Now fast forward to Matt R’s very successful podcast “hunt quietly” I’d say for a guy who wants to keep his passion for himself he’s pretty damned vocal. And for him to say they had t seen any bad shots or hunts on the show is not true. I’ve seen wounding and no kill hunts on there.
I think you’re confusing the point. Naming a podcast, “Hunt Quietly” doesn’t mean you aren’t vocal about your opinions and beliefs. He’s advocating for a culture change within the hunting community that supports less brand shouting and self promotion. He’s not advocating, that I’ve seen, for hunters to be quite literally less vocal. You’re comparing apples to oranges in your comment here. Matt has a point and I think some of it is absolutely valid.
@john…
For one….
It’s not up to you to decide how or what he talks about.. Why would you think that dictating to someone how they should do things is anywhere approaching necessary… ??
Secondly… I can and will agree with some of the points related to media in hunting.. definitely some issues that can be talked about…
However… Matt has said, in his own words. He believes that the number of hunters currently enjoying the outdoors, should be reduced by 50%…. 50%.
Imagine being so selfish… so egotistical… That you believe 50% of current hunters should not be allowed to enjoy the outdoors.. Imagine believing that..
Imagine the mindset… Now obviously Matt would not be included in the 50% of hunters that should pack up and never hunt again…
I know Matt has some good points.. some things worth talking about.
But saying things like that… and attacking everyday people that you would think you need to change the minds of… doesn’t add up..
But again… He believes people are evil and again… 50% of hunters should be done.
Not a good look in my eyes
I didn't watch the debate between Matt and The Meat Eater guys and I don't know how they responded to Matt's question about whether they go hunting for social media when they'd rather stay home, but it is an interesting/funny question. Thinking about what I'd have said, I would have replied with something to the effect of "sometimes I do have to go out, yes. That's my job and just like other people have to go do their job on days they'd rather not, we do too." Maybe that was his point, but I'm also not going to find fault with Steve and crew for creating a product that other people want to pay for.
I totally agree with Matt’s view point. Take a look around and see the effects it’s had on access. People post their spots and when non ethical hunters find out, they really hammer the areas which everyone floods too. Absolutely bad what’s going on and the bad thing is, the hunting community thinks it’s helping hunting in general. Draw odds are way down and what used to be fun is losing its reasoning why we do it because it’s “the cool” thing to do. Money for the rich is the focus now. I have to agree with Matt on many of his opinions.
I call BS. As if there are that many non ethical hunters that flood into any random area that someone mentions. C'mon.
In this day and age, oh boy you betcha there is. We live in a me first selfish generation. Anything for the ego stroke.
@GodsGladiators-jo4hk - then factor in companies such as Weyerhaeuser requiring pay for access and you have the recipe for a royal clusterfuck.
IMO i think Stephen is and incredibly based hunter. Hunts for the challenge and kills for meat. Although he gets paid to do so, his show displays the right way to hunt. On the other hand, there has always been a dark side of the hunting culture. People that go hunting just to add something to their kill list. A whitetail guy that takes loins and backstrap and leaves the rest in the field should be banned for life IMO. Killing has become content as a result, there is little respect for the animal in the new wave. Ive stopped hunting with a lot of people because i just didnt feel right about it, and instagram killers are making it worse. Its not Stephens fault but meat-eater definitely had an impact.
I’m not against people taking up hunting. I’m against people taking it up bc all of sudden they have social media showing them everything the rest of us worked so hard for.
hunters are always celebritys its just a scaled up version of our origins. back in the day the hunters that were able to provide food for the people were looked apon highly. obviously its different now, because people are not starving and can go buy food, but anyone who can actually achieve harvesting a older wiser larger animal, is going to be reconized to some degree more than others. this is just part of the conversation.
Real tree and Mossy oak are successful because they sold a lifestyle. Hunting, outdoor lifestyle. They weren't the "best hunters". Other guys that were, didn't become as famous. Most people tuning into hunting shows want to see a big buck. Most don't want to see the small 6 pointer they shot. Until Steve made Meateater popular thats what hunting TV was. I think Steve has helped the sport tremendously. There are just more people everywhere. Matt acts like the old city council member that doesn't want his town to grow...and it will and it won't matter what he says.
This is very much in line with my opinion. Things are going to change
I came to this video to find out what the controversy is surrounding the Matt/Steve Rinella situation. After 6 minutes of watching I still have no idea.
I could do quick synopsis on that issue.
its a double edged sword more hunters means more crowded public ground and more people leasing, but the more hunters the bigger the voice when it comes to loosing hunting rights
I like Matt but he's coming off as a hater. That being said, I cringed when Meateater filmed the Osceola hunt in South Florida. Our public land is hard enough to draw permits on and this episode will all but guarantee it takes me an extra few points to draw in the coming year.
I’ve had several leases fall apart after I build the heard start the lease not seeing a shooter then loosing after all that work do to a money grubbing toe stepping no good man tripling up or more on the lease
Let this be clear. Our way of life is dying. Kids are not interested in fishing and hunting. Land is becoming Scarce. The social and political environment is agianst us. Yet our community does nothing but squabble. We do nothing but make it more niche and more exclusive. We are our own worst enemy. A dogmatic elite group outdoorsman have become. ESPECIALLY the hunting world. Go to a public spot on opening day of duck season. You won’t meet a friendly face I promise you. It’s out of control.
The hunting industry has grown into a multi billion dollar industry. I think many people who've been life-long hunters would argue we are seeing more people hunting. And we have reduced access to land and reduced opportunities. I can certainly say that bag limits/tags have decreased in my life time. I know a lot of guys just 10-15 years older then me who talk about how much scarcer duck/deer are now. I don't believe for a second we have less hunters and this way of life is 'dying'. Hunting is more competitive and crowded then ever. I can see both sides of the issue. The more hunters we have, the more power we have against anti-hunters & to promote conservation. However guys in many states will have to accept the fact they may not get tags to hunt some years.
Bunch of rambling is about all i heard
That’s exactly what it is. Spewing thoughts.
Thanks for sharing! I agree with you that leasing isn't a big deal. Personally my least favorite part of hunting is dealing with inconsiderate people, so I don't blame a guy for leasing land. I think the bigger issue is corporate greed, and massive influencers getting self-serving try hards out in the field. I have always had a desire to hunt, influencers or not.
I also don't think Matt has amazing people skills, and he may be a bit abrasive. I do admire him for taking a strong stance, as most people are trying desperately to serve the companies that sponsor them. Thank you for the video sir, I think most people agree with you, and I am going to be watching Matt closely as well. I agree with a lot of what he has to say. God bless
I appreciate the well thought out comments and look forward to more from Matt as well.
At the end of the day what we are missing from all internet influencers is the promotion of ethics and being held accountable no matter your discipline. I can shoot a bow 100yds easy all day but I would never consider shooting at an animal over 50. If a feeding deer or elk wants to eat the next blade of grass at the same moment you shoot you just missed or wounded that animal. The 1000yd rifle guys are no different. I enjoy shooting at gongs out to 1000 plus yds but the smallest of errors even with the most modern tech at over 500ish are compounded drastically. We as sportsmen need to embody that word and set examples for younger generations. Cam shoots a giant bull at 90yds on a private ranch and posts a pic so everybody that goes to a total archery challenge shoot try’s to do the same. A huge percentage leaving animals with arrows stuck in them to die later un recovered. If the most popular instagram and you tube hunters put a emphasis on ethics in every video the hunting community would not be so divided.
I can’t disagree here. A lot of truth to this. And I believe that a large majority of folks who hunt aren’t in the LR or ELR hang with rifles and bows. What I do worry about is that we have new hunters and adult onset hunters who see these vids, as they are the most prominent and believe this is the way.
Well said, side x sides , and ATV,s have also over run the landscape in most areas, Idaho has pretty good management of this during hunting Utah fair . Here in Utah if you can get away from the roads far enough you can find good animals on public lands but in the 50 plus years I have hunted it has changed draws and units have made for it hard to obtain a permit . It is still the dollars from hunters and the items they purchase that drive our rights to hunt and fish. Let’s hope we do not lose sight of that
Matt Rinella raises some good points, but he also comes across as elitist. All the cash, egos, obsession with trophy antlers and crowded public land certainly are impacting the hunting experience. But on the other hand hunting really is one of the last meaningful ways for people to connect with nature and wild animals; it's not the same as yoga or whatever other hobby. Furthermore, promotion of hunting broadens the constituency for wildlife and public lands. The rest of the environmental movement seems to have completely forgotten about wildlife, framing everything instead as a climate change issue, so hunting is the last thing keeping millions of acres of habitat on public land and private land from being turned into ag and urban sprawl
I do lease a farm close to home. And am lucky enough to have my place 2 hrs away. I don’t pay much and I’m lunch to have friends that make me a deal for some work we do. The farm we have lease now is getting completely destroyed to get another 20 acres of beans/corn. Great bedding destroyed. Pond filled. I hate it. The economics of owning this high priced land are so difficult.
@@TLHyoutube yep similar story here. When I was a kid a long time ago our area was mixed small farming with grass pasture, Timothy hay and various row crops. You could shoot bobwhites, wild pheasants and sharp-tailed grouse right around there. There were also various other birds, snakes, frogs, lots of insects, etc. as well as a creek with wild brook trout. But now what isn't being turned into Wally Marts, strip malls and vinyl villages is just an ocean of corn & soy with little wildlife. That creek is dried up through most of the year almost definitely due to center-pivot irrigation. There are still turkeys and deer but the only upland hunting to speak of is stocked pheasants on the WMAs.
Any hunter who says they would turn down BEING PAID to hunt trophy animals is lying to themselves. Even if it was only for a few years , get the best newest gear for free and get paid to do what you love anyway. Isn't that basically what athletes are? Isn't that the world we live in today? If you don't think exactly the way I do your wrong.
I hear what your saying about losing land to farmers and it sucks but I myself am an avid hunter and I farm roughly a thousand acres in Minnesota and from a farming perspective my family and my living comes first hunting is just a bonus
If I sit here and think about what all this boils down to, it’s greed. You have hunters that think they own a piece of public land. Large land owners who only let the highest bidder hunt their land. Corporations like industrial timber combines getting an indefinite leases from the BLM for a dollar and closing so that only the companies upper management and whoever they are smooozing can hunt it, or charging $500 for an access pass. This shit is going on in all facets of life. You have to pay for a pass to even be In National Forest. Here in Oregon ODFW has destroyed salmon stocks and has issued too many big game tags for decades. Then an influx of population and it now it sucks. Fuck you can’t even play a golf course that isn’t a zoo anymore. The ski resorts are a zoo with way too many people, unbelievable prices, and you can pay more to cut in line. Society has been overrun with lazy, egotistical, selfish, greedy people. Then instead of people trying to find solutions they start arguing matches about why I’m right or why you’re wrong. There are easy solutions to all of this, and it stars with the next generation. If you have kids then it needs to your, your family, and your communities mission to build them into people that will want to go work for fish and game departments so they can fix the mess. State fish and game departments should also hit the only or final say in what happens. We pay the fees, we need more power. How about this. Give some tag sales profits to private land owners in exchange for letting them grant access. Tax breaks and incentives for farmers to keep parts of their land for animal habitat. We’ve got all the money, it just needs to go to good things, but that G word I was just harping on…
I feel this! I can't take a hard stance. Not because I am afraid to speak, but because there are so many layers. I can certainly relate to the what was and what is. I get really frustrated about the loss of hunting access and decline in good habitat and populations of critters. I live in the far west and have access to millions of public acres. That said, if I had an opportunity to own a 1000 acre chunk of land I can manage for my use and the wild animals, and I could have good hunting for myself and family I would! I appreciate the honesty.
Never heard of Matt until today and I’ve followed meat eater for years
If you have the time go listen to the episode. When Steve says “at the end of day, it’s my fuckin show” I about died. Loved it.
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"Getting back to basics... I think too often the break is two fold. Those with money, those that don't have as much and how those that always have the new things (usually because they are given it by the companies) and the push is always "the new thing" makes people not embrace across the board. Hell... my daughter the other day was with my wife... and they were looking at FB for some reason, and an EVA Shockey post popped up and my daughter asked about her (she's 8) and my wife said she doesn't care to see her always with the newest gear getting an animal because she was either handed it by vendors, or such... and I understood where my wife was coming from. On the other hand I shot 3-D for years... and it's similar there... the fun aspect has been destroyed... the IBO has always been serious... but I'm sorry... I'd love to see the open guys shoot the same course with a true basic hunting set up... maybe they wouldn't be separating by just a couple x's. When the R100 by rinehart got started there were NO SCORES captured. Focus was about the fun... and shooting whatever yardage you wanted to. Now the R100 is scored and the focus is on a score again. The Total Archery Challenge alienates your average blue collar guy that doesn't do crazy back pack hunting. Then take a look at yall... talking about having multiple new bows every year... and setting them up for so many different scenarios... Archery in my opinion used to be a blue collar thing... something that was easier for everyone to do as a full sport. Not sporting clays or trap or so on... but something that just about anyone could afford to get into . I love made in the USA gear... you can't touch some hunting sights for under $200... a damn sight. I think bringing things back to blue collar... to fun...have the competitions... but the damn elitism that has come to archery has truly torn it apart" - From a video on another channel about the subject.
I love this. Especially the archery aspect. I haven’t bought a bow in 10 years and my diamond ice man is still as serviceable and shootable as ever. Same as my recurves. They all flat work. I’m too often caught by the gear bug and need to have a chat with myself to slow down and be conscientious of what type of example I’m leaving for my kids and those around me. I too shot IBO very competitively in the 90’s and it was brutally fun. I look at used bows at Scheels and often threaten to upgrade. I just can’t. $1k for a bow is nonsense. The accessories are out of this world like you said. My son is a great example at 14. He has the buy once cry once mentality from me. BUT he stays content. A virtue.
I feel very strongly... about a lot of things... and I am usually very vocal and opinionated. I stumbled on an elk shape podcast from 7 months ago that turned me on to this whole debate. I think we are losing site of the basics. It's become all about the gear... getting the latest and greatest. Pricing out average people. Companies sponsoring people like it's going out of style. Whether it's in the hunting side of the world or competition. What ever happened to doing this for the fun and enjoyment and as a source of food. Now it's all about the trophy and gear...don't get me wrong I love gear... I am a knife nerd. But damn. There are not a lot of good places to hunt securely...People like to have a tree-stand up have a nice piece of land that they can hunt... maybe have a camper or something on it. The East is a lot different than the west when it comes to hunting areas. I'll also post my rant from the ElkShape video.. This schism in the hunting community isn't going to be good for anyone.
This conversation has turned to a back to basics chat and I love it. Will be talking about that soon. My number one grind with Matt and his podium is that he blatantly speaks out to people who lease ground to hunt and treats them like trash. I’m not trash. I’m a good person with good values and my kids are no different. I’m taking his ground in Montana. I’m taking 150 acres in the Midwest to use and cherish. When I can afford it. Which isn’t every year. I think if he shifted his focus to just hunting “celebrity” and away from all who aren’t like him. He’d gain some real ground.
@@TLHyoutube I think that's exactly right. I have hunted most of my life in NY and it's far more difficult to hunt regularly when you don't have dedicated land... because of so many different reason. But again... getting back to basics... Not to attack the company... but let's take Montana Knife Company for example... so many (including steve r.) have gone to them... there are no blue collar hunters going out there and buying these knives... I mean $200 for a skeletonized and wrapped blade? you have the paid and heavily supported hunters going and making videos with brand new equipment every year tends to alienate many people. So much of this is getting absolutely crazy... a few need to stand up and put some of the industry in check... that's just a fact.
Haha very well said from a hunting land lease “company”
Oh yeah. I facilitate people to get leases. Kind of the “middle man”. I’ve got no shame in that. I handle about 2300 acres. Mostly waterfowl short term with a few deer leases. This is where I get so bent out of shape by MR’s comments. People would, in another world look to him as a mentor. I have families calling me all the time begging for any ground they can get to hunt. When I call someone and say “hey, I just got a nice little 40 acre piece for deer for $1500” they are elated. A place to go with their kids and hunt un-impeded. Matt Rinella basically thinks that Dad or Mom is a piece of garbage. Unacceptable. And as long as he has a forum. I will speak out against the king of public land.
I’ve got no problems with private citizens leasing land to hunters. I do have a huge problem with companies like Weyerhaeuser getting indefinite land leases for a dollar from the BLM then revoking access or charging $500 for a permit.
Great points. Sad times through and through. Sadly I can see some jack a s s, trying to push me around out there, trying to get his way. Lord have mercy!
I live in Oklahoma and people who lease are definitely a part of the problem. You just bitched about developers coming up in and taking over land for beams then turn around and say it’s ok for hunters to do the same thing because they are hunters and have the money. Growing up you used to be able to help someone bale hay or work calves in the spring to hunt now that is all gone because some hotshot from god knows where comes in and leases the hunting rights for way more than a welder with a family can afford. Here’s the kicker on several other occasions I have offered to help pay the lease or negotiate in whatever way I can to be able to hunt land that I had hunted for years and the douche with dollar bills to throw away usually wants nothing to do with it or tries to set some arbitrary rules in place for me. I love how guys who say you shouldn’t bitch about access have all the access I listen to guys who hunt half the year in six states bitch about access while I can’t hardly even hunt my home state because of leases or out of state hunters what we need to do is reach a consensus as a community that we won’t be so worried about trophies that we forget what hunting is about that is the problem nobody wants to enjoy the outdoors or help the next generation learn important life lessons everybody just wants to be in the Boone and Crockett books
Oklahoma and Texas were the first two places I was exposed to leases many years ago. I’d never even heard of such a thing until a quail hunt with my Grandad. I also want people to take a broader look at the landowner. And sometimes in my area you may have a cash rent farmer who also rents hunting rights. Making money x2. Again, I understand it, capitalism. I lease a 170 acre farm for $2500. I save $200 per month into a special account and pay at year end. It’s a priority for me. It gives me the ability to hunt with the kids within 15 min of home. I’m a blue collar guy in construction. I get the pinch that this puts a lot of us in. We’ve got our family place two hours away that we hunt throughout the year. But when schedules for kids sports and work is slammed. Having a close access place is crucial to me. Funny thing is this. Our farm lease is having a lot of clearing done. The owner is a great guy who’s a farmer. He wants 20 more rollable acres. Much to our disappointment. But it’s still better than nothing. A lot of landowners and even more farmers aren’t friendly to two things 1. Trees 2. Deer.
Ill say this...if you run out and buy shit cuzz some YT or TV show says you need it to do the job. Then welcome to marketing and sales. You either didn't do research or just bought it on a whim. Relax we all have done it at least once. Some of us more often.
I agree. Buy Ozonics so the deer don’t smell you? What the hell. Dude you already have scentlok clothing, cover scents, playing the wind and you’re 25 feet up in a tree. If any of those things actually worked you couldn’t justify buying the rest.
Matt Rinella is right
Omgawd... get to the point... stop pandering
Matt comes across as a Karen
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Disagree.....
The goal is conservation....period. More license sales=more funding for conservation.
Not sure how this is even a rational idea
Matt is just jealous geeze it's a sign of the times get over it bro
Everyone has the same damn right to wild game as the next man. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear anyone take the “bully” stance. Can’t hunt here cuz you’re not from here. We’ve been doing it longer so stay out. Bull 💩. Public land was created for The Public and like it or not, if guys are legally licensed to hunt then they’ve got every right.
I agree whole heartedly. There’s a lot of folks out west who disagree. They think because they were there first, they have first dibs.
I like your podcast keep bring the content!
You know one I’d ever going to agree in everything the other says but I can damn sure tell you that I believe you got more sense then Matt
Matt is a hunting eliteist. He wants to keep the Regular People out of Hunting! What a jerk!
..listen to Matts talk at the Pope and Young Convention. He articulates his position well in that talk..he’s 100% for the regular people..the hunting industry only wants our money period.
Language, man. Who would want their family member to watch and listen. It crippled what you had to say.
Really? Crying over language? Grow up. As far as the message, sometimes to get the discussion going, people must see the worst case scenario to appreciate the common ground.
Cry louder Karen...
Quinlan Ranch hat is ironic. :)
Man! I can’t believe no one noticed that. Full disclosure I’ve never been. Had a friend who works in construction with me. A vendor took him there on an Elk hunt.
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