Nagant Model 1877 Gendarmerie Double Barrel Rolling Block Pistol
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- Emile and Leon Nagant set up their manufacturing company in Liege, Belgium in 1859, and it would become one of the most prominent in the city. The brothers worked with a variety of other patent holders, including striking a deal with the Remington company. This would lead to Nagant production of rolling block rifles for the Vatican guards, and also the model 1877 Gendarmerie pistols.
Adopted as standard ams for the Belgian Gendarmerie and not replaced until the introduction of the Browning Model 1899, these were double-barreled rolling block action pistols chambered for the Belgian 9.4mm revolver cartridge. They have a single trigger and two hammers, and the trigger will fire either barrel if only one is cocked, or the right and then left barrel if both hammers are cocked (the trigger must be released to reset between barrels). A total of 2000 were made, and their Gendarmerie usage is indicated by the “W” stamp on the buttcap.
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Wow. They liked it so much that they skipped entirely over revolvers and after 30 years adopted a semi-auto. That's serious love
Lol.
well you figure if drawn out gun-fights weren't commonplace for law-enforcement, the Revolver is most definitely useful for following up your shots.......but if the current model has worked this long, why bother? most revolvers would be way more difficult to get all 6 rounds on tap by comparison (The first speed-loaders weren't patented until 1879) and with many revolvers of the era you had to manually extract each round one at a time through a loading gate.
With an automatic, you aren't having to fiddle around with a cylinder anymore and hand-load one by one, it's "Dump mag, load new one for 7-8 shots", much easier to practice. It was also probably considered as safer, since you can easily load a mag to practice loading drills and aren't having to drop live rounds into a cylinder to get the same practice (Spent casings require a little work to drop into the cylinder of a revolver). Revolvers (as a rule) also didn't have any kind of safety on them (Beyond a half-cock and decocking system), where a lot of automatics do and did.
If you're at a range where pistols are being drawn, even in today's society where we have pistols that can fit upwards of 15 rounds without even going into 'extended' territories, most shootouts are over in the first 6 shots fired. Not to mention, back then, there wasn't as much serious debate as today over caliber, a gun was a gun and that was plenty enough deterrent to make people reconsider causing trouble.
Now granted, this is all just theory/ideas off the top of my head, take 'm with a grain of salt.
@@Rixoli ive seen footage of this one dude who got shot a bunch by a gun and was still standing so id say sometimes it takes more than just six.
@@ThePaperKhan this is the exception not the norm it's what's known as an outlier you learn this is middle school
@@umcThunder72 but then the exception sticks a knife in your guts. Also those rounds are weak af and the sights suck so it wouldn't be uncommon for someone to still be coming at you. Especially back in the day when people were alot tougher. Lol go back to middle school
Anybody else thinking a double rolling block would be a cool rifle ?
There is one! I own a copy, made by the same manufacturers with patents for Remington-Nagant stamped on the side. There is a short article on the webpage of forgottenweapons.com. I can recommend, gives insight on Belgian, or rather Nagant manufacturing up until the revolvers had their breakthrough.
Cheers!
@@wavriappleseed8647 That's a shotgun, not a rifle.
I'd like to see somebody bring rolling block rifles back into production chambered for modern cartridges. Should be excellent for hunting.
@@minarchist1776 there out there. I have on in 30/30
@@anzaca1 But it's still a double barrel rolling block. Hella cool regardless!
There is definitely some double barrel cult going on at Liège.
I'm a student at Liège's gunsmithing school and the hammerless Anson is still viewed as the best thing since sliced bread. But there is still a small faction of the teacher that love B25 or Purdey based system.
Can’t beat a gun named after the Mitchell.
Heard about this on C&Rsenal a few episodes back and thought "That would be an awesome gun to see in detail". Thank you Ian for providing that detail! Didn't think that would happen so quickly lol.
Oh cool Ian is reviewing a double barrel shotgun
*clicks video*
Wait a minute...
These upload just as I get home from work, it's my favourite treat when I get home, keep up the great work Ian!
Ian, you're my favorite knowledgeable human.
I love seeing metal gun components with their mating faces fitted so closely together knowing that each surface has probably been hand filed and lapped in together with such skill
Perhaps the long grip and the seemingly roomy trigger guard were intended to accommodate gloved hands.
It's pretty cool how the grip texture hasn't really changed.
I was just binge watching C&Rsenal's videos on Nagants a couple days ago, this pistol was mentioned, then there it is!
wow i'm in love with this, if i lived in america i think i'd probably end up bidding on this guy
THX Ian. Apparently the Belgian Gendarmerie was then "using their gun a little too much", and that resulted in innocent casualties, so the Govt decided to provide them with a 2-shots handgun rather than a 6-shooter (very reliable revolvers already existed at the time). Also note that Nagant patents on this gun included a built-in safety for firing pins, preventing an accidental discharge, should the breechblock be closed too firmly with the pin jammed in the firing position. It seems that this safety is non functional for the right firing pin on this particular gun. Best of luck with your next videos!!
Excellent, when one wonders what Ian will produce next he repeatedly offers something fresh and interesting.
I’m thinking the oddly shaped grip is for use while wearing gloves, oversized trigger guard to match
It has a nicely contoured backstrap too. We don't often see that on that style of grip (at least I haven't).
And melee!
@@DeadBaron There actually were pistols with spikes on them intended for that purpose. And they tended to have a similar grip shape. They were typically pirate-era guns, though, so a couple of generations before this one.
@@judsongaiden9878 IIRC caplock pistols up through the 1860s still had metal bases and nubs/rings like this one. If this was released in 1877 it would have been heavily influenced by older designs.
Good thinking bro, agree 100%
Watched this vid and suddenly got curious about non-lethal shotgun shells/non-lethal weapons. Would love it if you can do a series on those.
"Emile whats wrong you look terrible? Bad dream?
-Leon mon frere, i had this weird dream where i was fighting road bandits with a pistol...that was a rolling block, dual barreled and smacked one of them right in the face with the handle
"......Emile you are a GENIUS
As JJLB82 says the handle and trigger guard may be down to wearing gloves, but could it also be a hangover from when, once your rounds were spent you may want to turn it and use it as a melee weapon?
Excellent video as always and a lovely looking pistol.
I never quite understood turning it round. It seems to me like that would do quite a bit of damage if you just bashed someone with the barrel set. Is it concern over damaging the barrel? Trying to get a more optimal striking angle? Any pistol I've ever seen would be quite a serious impact weapon just swung as normally held.
@@jameshealy4594 look at how the barrels are set. The only moving part is the rolling block, then there's that massive steel block the barrels are set into. They would be quite sturdy, and by the time you're in melee distance, do you choose your life or damaging your cheap-ish pistol?
That's what I mean, I'd just go to town with it as-is.
So cool! I heard of this in C&Rsenal Nagant episode and was very courious.
Could you make a video on the "Colt Canada C7" some day?
Your thumbnail had me thinking this was a side-by-side shotgun, but it's so much more interesting.
A brace of these and a Remington Rolling Block rifle and you'd be good to go, in a very consistent kind of way.
...and all chambered in 45-70
50-110
50-140
@@as-jp5cl .577 dangerous game cartridge?
I have a Belgian proofed rolling block pistol chambered in .22 and this looks very similar. Iv never been able to track down exactly what it is or it’s value.
That grip doesn't just look unusually long, but the angle of it and the trigger is also really weird in relation to the barrel.
That's because of how they used to shoot handguns. The posture was quite different back then. You can see It in other handguns like some Mannlicher pistols.
@@dundschannel Compared to majority of the handguns of mid to late 19th century, this grip is really strange lookin. It looks like if you'd hold it like most other handguns of the era, you're gonna shoot the ground/floor.
@@coolsenjoyer I have a feeling it was made with gloves in mind. So gloved users could still fit their finger through the trigger guard.
Other ppl in the comments say that the long grip could’ve been used for melee purposes. A plausible idea which I agree with, but then again there’s no proof.
The extra length grip is probably to be used as a club, which is how this thing was most likely used.
That is highly probable.
Also he is a very small man.
Very Cool Nagant double barrel pistol.
The extra long grip is for pistol whipping confessions! Fun for everyone! Wow, great minds think alike. Actually made my comment then read the previous, very similar comment lol.
Double barrelled rolling block? That’s pretty cool straight away. The Browning semi auto they replaced it with must have seemed like a science fiction weapon though!
"Turn in your brickbats and take this phazer"
@@dbmail545 I prefer the term boomstick tyvm
I recall an article in Guns magazine many years ago, apparently there was a contract also for pistols supplied to the palace guard of the Russian Tsar, it was basically the same as this pistol. Don't remember now how many the article says were made, but it was not a large number.
would be nice if someone made a more modern variant of these unique guns.
this one with fire mode selector for example "safe, fire 1 at pull and fire both at pull" and have more modern grip
Thank you , Ian .
Cool unique gun . Thx for sharing.
Cool Little Pistol
Big grip and large trigger guard. Can be used while wearing gloves.
I have one SN 857
love this gun..
Beautiful pistol.
I kinda wish they made a repro of this. Such a cool gun.
5:02 is it possible that the extra length is because it's also a built in truncheon?
Maybe it is long due to cavalry gloves being thick?
Just a guess, though.
If two shots won't do the job at close quarters, the long handle makes it a better club.
Neat weapon . How many other models are like these Ian
Pretty cool :) Thanks Ian
Two yrs ago! How did notificationfail? Haven't seen this little gem.
Looking at it, I wonder if the long pistol grip had something to do with balancing the weight of the twin barrels?
mr gun jesus, can you track down and do a video of the rare, elusive, and interesting erma mp60's?
Thanks for doing another Belgian gun :) Living less than 50 miles from where it was probably made probably has something to do with it :)
someone needs to make a repro of this! That is so awesome...
This one's for all my homies in Bruges.
Ian will you ever do the jc Higgins guns.
Reminds me of that Howdah pistol.
Bananagant
Looks like it might be a convertible gun to some type of shotshell. That would be interesting, in my opinion. A double barrel shotgun pistol
Don't look that bad and seems suficient for it's role, back in the day.
What edvantage would you get from this rather than a revolver?
Cheaper price
In theory more power ammunition due to the strength I looking action. As well as ease of training compared to a Revolver.
Revolvers are easier to break as well. This gun looks like it should be very resistant.
seems way easier to hold compared to a revolver, and it seems lighter
No loss of gas and no chance of the cylinder being misaligned.
I'm guessing the handle and fairly large trigger gaurd are to accommodate gloves
Is there a specific reason for the little sights on 19th century handguns?
Please do a video next on the Caw shotgun from HK seriously its like the g11 of shotguns ,very rare and uncommon, I think metal gear solid peace walker is the only game this weapon is featured.
I wonder if HK in America still has one of these floating around. I feel like if it did Ian would have done a review on it when he was at the HK Grey Room.
@@roguetorino But he didn't plus the information online is next to none XD, so this is a truly moder looking /working expensive forgotten weapon, there is no video of someone testing this shotgun online XDDDDDDDDDDDD
I’d love to see a company start making rolling block shotguns today. Or better yet something of the Peabody Henry system
This does raise a question that I have been pondering recently, why is it that no military (as far as I know) used double barreled rifles. Especially when double barreled shotguns were such common place for civilians. I mean when a military refuses to adopt repeating rifles, the least they could do is offer they're soldiers a second shot. I can see that this would extend the reloading time for a muzzle-loader, but what about when breech-loading came about?
That would be a neat little plinking pistol. Maybe in .22
Nice pistol.
Looks like something I would use in a duel.
I wish that I could find a 410 version of this (and almost certainly some will been converted) because this would be a handgun that I can legally own and use in the UK as I have a 2 shot 410 pistol permission on my firearms certificate. Before anyone says "why not make one?" It is illegal to convert a 410 shotgun to a pistol under current regulations even for a gunsmith, which means my only off the shelf option is a Bond arms derringer currently.
What about a pedersoli shotgun pistol bro
How does it lock the breach. To me it looks like the hammers are doing that but I couldn't really tell.
@@IanIngram1 Oh yeah, thanks. So it is actually the hammer although not quite as I thought.
Very nice 😄
Can you decock the hammers ?
How would this compare to the mauser 1877 single shot pistol you covered a year or two ago?
Fired from the left hand?
You shot boomerang , and return to hand😂😂😂
Other ppl in the comments say that the long grip could’ve been used for melee purposes. A plausible idea which I agree with, but then again there’s no proof.
Also, in case some of you didn’t realize, Émile Nagant co-designed the Mosin-Nagant, hence the name.
Reverse your grip on the pistol and the long handle becomes an effective cosy. Dual purpose!
But does it come in 7.62x54r?
how hard would a 44/40 double rifle with the same action be to build???
Rolling blocks are strong I wouldn't imagine it would be too difficult, but 44/40 is ew maybe 44mag or 45/70
If only it was french... it would be Ians new conceal carry :)
Before Charles Pryse came up with his top break, automatic ejection design for Webley I don't think this would have been any slower than the revolvers of the period. The grip would accommodate the biggest of hands, even wearing thick gloves in an Ardennes winter.
I want this gun what is its price
the long handle is for your 3 shot... using the thing as a boomerang (surely i'm not the only person that thought that)
Nagant brothers. Why does that name seem so familiar..?
Huh. When I originally saw the picture and read the title it didn't click that it was a pistol. Thought I was looking at a double barreled rifle or shotgun.
Poirots service pistol for many years.
Imagine getting got by one of these
... tre's bien!
Is it feasible to buy or make ammunition for this piece?
I watched a video of a man making and using full brass 11 gauge shotgun shells so I think it is just a case of needing correct dimensions and a lathe.
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The breach block appears to have a left-handed spur, easier for the right hand to manipulate.
4:38 At least it has a contoured backstrap. That's a step up from most pistols with that grip style.
Wait this is a pistol and not a shotgun? God I love my country and how we give multiple barrels to everything
Is this Nagant, as in Mosin Nagant? (I have no idea how to spell the first name, so I spelled it phoneticcally.)
Two different people. Sergei Mosin and Leon Nagant. They both submitted designs for a rifle to the Imperial Russian Army. Nagant's rifle won the initial competition, Mosin petitioned for a round of tweaking and further tests. This was granted and his rifle won the second round. Nagant threw a bit of a fit over it, resulting in the Russian government paying him the promised prize money for winning the contest, agreeing to let his factory produce the initial run of rifles, and allowing him to produce and market them for export and civilian sales as the "Mosin-Nagant Rifle", even though he had no hand in designing Mosin's rifle.
That they paid him for a competition he didn't win and let him market a rifle that wasn't his with his name on it may seem a bit odd at first glance. The Russians *really* liked Nagant revolvers and needed his production capacity to get their new rifle into service while they tooled up their own factories. They were more than willing to keep him as happy as necessary to keep the guns coming.
It's also Nagant as in Nagant M1895
When I started all this, I was just wondering if all these Nagants the same person. 🙂
Why would they have not opted for a revolver?
Please , just please do a video on the American oilgewehr
In a few months they'll be adding this to Red Dead Online.
Nothing says "gendarmerie" like the letter W. Right?
Gendarmerie is french for mounted police
@@chadfalardeau9162 Is the W totally random?
How does it lock? It sounds as if there's a "snap" from a catch or spring?
As in how does the breach lock? It's the same as a standard rolling block, where a part of the hammer locks the breach block forward when it goes forward. Hope that helps?
If i were to guess being black powder and having heavy springs on the hammers, i'd say the springs for the hammer(s) keep the block closed during firing. Probably a sear on the bottom of each hammer that engages with a surface on the block
@@Ksportin just watch 'midway usa' video on "how to make a cutaway Remington rolling block" it's an ingeniously simple mechanism.
Thanks. I was wondering if it was that simple.
The thing is I wondering of the "snapping" sound when for instance closing block was metal-on-metal from the block hitting the chambers on closing, or whether it was some some internal mechanism. I guess it's the former.
@@QuantumCat76 I suspect there's a small spring detent to stop the breech block from just flopping around when the hammers are back but the main lock is from the circular extension on the hammer moving into a circular cut on the block, stopping the block from rolling back.
So, what was the reason for producing a 2 shot pistol? I don't get it...Not likely Wyatt Earp would have liked this pistol...
Why this and not a revolver?
cuuute!
Weird that the Nagant revolver comes from the same period and has the same grip.
There should be a Texas version of this gun in a larger caliber
Willie Johnson
yup. I'm thinking .45 Colt/.410
12 gauge, it's a NFA item.
I have something like this just sitting in a box
For the first half of the video I've been thinking who Jeanne-Mary was and why she needed so many pistols.
How does the lock work?
Like a standard Remington rolling block. When the hammer falls, a rounded extension at the base of the hammer rotates under the breech block to keep it locked closed.
@@michaelw.6957 thank you!