His focus on controlling food is deeply disturbing. One of his sons was diagnosed with malnutrition at a young age: Josh would not let his boys be fed more than one meal a day as they would “ just poop out his food.” But he had plenty of money for power tools.
A customer of mine recommended these and today at work while I was doing inventory I listened with rapt attention. I am so glad someone is telling her WHOLE story. I sincerely hope someday we find out what really happened to this beautiful woman.
The more I listen to the early experiences of josh I see a clearly picture of fear of never being loved. He was so desperate to be accepted to find a woman to love him in all his quirkiness. Susan did. But I think as he was faced with real responsibility in supporting a family he just freaked 😳 😜 🤔 😱 all that pressure and I think he was jealous that everyone loved his wife including his own father with a sick obsession to have her. He was failing in his ability to hold down a job and im sure his dad bittled him about that 🤔 he wasn't standing up to being a man meanwhile his wife handles working 2 jobs and being a mom too. This had to crush his fragile ego and he asserted his power over her by spending her money on the stuff he thought of make him happy... none of it did through and of course steven kept meddling in their marriage. Steven's role in susan death cannot be ignored as he constantly was taling and photographing her and putting his own son down. This plus his f##### up abusive childhood took its toll on their marriage and all the violence in his parents own marriage. Thank God Jennifer the only one of the powell children who finally got away was able to have a fulfilling happy life made the right decision to leave. Josh unfortunately wasn't strong enough to stand up to his dad and be his own man. The parallels between Steven and Terry and Josh and susans marriage was the perfect example of how joshs psyche was affected by that destruction of his parents marriage. Had Josh been able to get the therapy he desperately needed this tragedy never would j as very happened. The entire powell family susan Josh and Charlie and Barden are dead, all at the hands of Josh. 😱😭💔
I cried several times for this, being a man, this is difficult to report. My children were little but they remembered seeing what I subjected to. Please get help, women AND men! It is not worth it, I was living and married to the female version of Josh Powell. So much was robbed from me and my children, get help! Be brave!
Thank you COLD for providing these videos. I grew up knowing Susan at church and at school. I am still in shock of all the things that happened to her and her boys even years later. I wanted to thank you for providing these episodes First of all: So that we can see that Susan was an amazing women that was being mistreated over and over and yet she always had hope. What a strong person. It is very unfortunate that her strong will and beautiful personality was wasted on someone so selfish and unemotional. She could have had a great life if she could have been with someone that cared for her. Second of all. For you to take the time at the end of the episode to acknowledge if someone is living like this that they should get help. That is huge. I hope other women or men in this type of relationship will see it and realize what is happening and get out as soon as they can. RIP Susan, Charlie and Braden.
I am so sorry for your loss ... Its unimaginable the things she went through and we hope this never becomes our reality but going to school or church with someone who has lived and died going through this probably hits way harder than the rest of us who never were blessed enoigh to ever know her in this life. She could have been and done so much if her path never crossed with this monster!
I'm so sorry for your loss. it was such a terrible thing. I can't imagine how it must have affected your community. I just hope that people can make something good out of all the bad that came from what happened to Susan and the boys, as in, I hope we gain an increased awareness and concern for others that allows us to protect our loved ones from ever having something like this from happening to them. Wish you the best
YES! I guess you could say so far I was lucky 2 times over the course of 2 marriages my 1st.- barely 16 ( 7 yrs. Off and on with the help of my mother and two children) my 2nd.- marriage was a rescuer Vietnam vet 15 years my senior! With severe severe anger issues I’m talking broken ribs jaw tail bone you name it! For 12 years ! In the name of ,, I felt sorry for him after watching many many videos about Vietnam . I now suffer from severe arthritis because any injuries will always come back to haunt you!, if I add them together it would equal 17/18 years of serious abuse I went on to protect and what I thought was “love“ to a younger man married again! 9 years! And The More I learned through counseling and what did , I do again?! 12 years ago get married to a person that I tried to “fix” and now I am 60 years old! I know abuse all too well
I'm so glad to hear you mentioning the power imbalance between Susan and her father-in-law. It's SUCH important context IMO. Sometimes men don't really think of those things because they don't experience it as much; and if you don't think of it then you wouldn't understand why she's completely quiet, not stopping him, etc. It's because she's in shock, and terrified.
That proposal! Hands down the goofiest ever in the history of proposals! That discount ring. That voice. Falling in love over doing the dishes. That's the moment he knew she was "the one". Etc. etc. More red flags than I can count.
I’m sorry, but I laughed my ass off at that whole proposal mess. I’m just not wholesome enough to get it. I’m sure there are people who thought it was adorable.
degenerati I think the actual proposal was fairly sweet but Josh is just so awkward... I’m surprised he could even get a girlfriend let alone get someone to marry him!! He’s a psycho! 🤦🏼♀️
Small Town Girl Big City Heart Yes! It feels so much more like it was some sort of sad, freaky parody of wholesomeness...as opposed to actual wholesomeness.
I would never date a guy that had bad credit, no job, was scamming insurance companies, made me buy my own ring and flowers, creepy nasally voice, and also did not stop his dad from sexually harassing me!! Sickening!! Them recording everything is a BIG RED 🚩 Someone showing you their leg is coming onto them? And the mirror ugh disgusting.
@@annacostello5181 Travis Alexander was sleeping around with many different women. He was killed because Jodie was insane. he had no interest in marrying her. he wanted to marry a mormon woman yet continued having sex with jodi then rejected her
He was controlling and manipulative He had a creepy ass father He didn't help financially He didn't help around the house He didn't even give her affection or sex. This poor woman was being murdered for years.
Josh was all those things, yet she stayed. Her religious beliefs prevented her from being autonomous. Most wives will sacrifice their autonomy to keep the family together. As their mothers did.
@@tjo8673 sadly I wish in her case she didn’t believe so much in her faith. I’m sure her church could let her divorce and support her away from her husband. There should be no shame in being a single mother
His threat of taking the boy’s is Josh saying he would never pay child support. He couldn’t care for the boys on his own. I think he lost interest in her because of his dad. Yuk
So… Susan bought her own engagement ring 🤦🏻♀️ this man was so beneath her. She was a wonderful mother who worked SO hard because Josh was a deadbeat dysfunctional person.
It's sad hearing how much she was willing to change to make him happy. I'm sure this podcast is helping many people to see the signs and leave when the relationship shows red flags. Btw I hope this podcast covers other cases and help.
One thing really bothers me is that Jenny's children were not allowed in the wedding and were forced to stay outside with creepy Steve and the rest of the Powell's. I would never be part of a religion that treats children like that Absolutely no excuses for that it really shocked me.
My SIL. This is so hard to listen to. My grand children's counselor is totally convinced their father is the model parent. My grand daughter is so afraid to tell the truth because of his anger. Courts don't always make the right decisions. Dear God help.
Is there no one else not related that might speak on her behalf? Think hard because if he's really a bad guy he's always thinking of ways to win. God bless and have courage.
Document EVERYTHING! It is crucial in situations like yours. As harsh as this may sound authorities need to see blood. Speaking from experience the courts need evidence. Abusers master the art of manipulation and I'm sure you know they're always plotting.
Josh constantly talked about death around her and killing her off. He told his dad and family he wanted her dead and wished she would be killed by a drunk driver or worse. EVERYONE contemplates wanting their abuser dead. Hell I did. Its part of the process
I used to be so naive that unless someone actually said they were trying to hit on me I would dismiss it bc I thought they might just want to be friendly like I was. If I knew some creep like this was obsessed with my daughter I'd want to rip him apart with my bare hands.
We’re lucky he didn’t become a cult leader. I feel so deeply for Susan because she knew she was stuck there with him. I was lucky to get out alive in my own situation. I hope they find her.
Yes! I thought of that, cult leader. Horrible enough what he did better than what he was capable of ! crazy father /brother you name it ! And what about the brothers wife?/ ex-wife? She might’ve been nutty also
This is my second time watching every single episode consecutively- start to finish. Thank you for helping me get to know Susan and her boys so well. She was everyone’s sister, wife, daughter, mother. As were Charlie and Braden everyone’s sons and grandsons, brothers and cousins. This is a heartbreaking yet beautiful way to keep their memories with us. You’re so talented at what you do. I’m so grateful to be able to watch and hear this incredible content.
@@pinkpugginzAlso 100% agree… I was thinking he’s probably gay, but fought it with every bone in his body, a bit like (a way I’ve heard it before) catholic guilt? Plus denouncing his faith, possibly because believing in Jesus gave him those "guilt" feelings!! Perhaps all his internal battles & his creepy ass father’s influence made him grow up (or lack thereof), just as creepy & messed up in the head? Whatever was going on with Josh, Susan did not deserve the life & possible death she ended up having by marrying Josh!! And those 2 little boys, my heart breaks for them as well as Susan. Wherever she & her boys are, I hope they’re together. (Sorry, I’m not religious, but feel there HAS to be a place where we all end up being reunited with our loved ones again)! RIP Susan, Charlie & Braden 😥💔 Thanks to #AnnieElise for directing me to this podcast. It’s very informative & I hope it helps anyone who feels they are caught up in a life where abuse is a part of their relationship. Great investigative reporting guys.
I heard you on an interview with Nate today and you both talked about this podcast. I have never heard of it. So happy I listened to that interview!! This case is still horrifying to me!! But I always wanted to know more. I watch everything, I thought, on this case.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS IN-DEPTH LOOK! No doubt he is creepy and Susan was an angel who was blind sided. RIP
This is a good example of how Susan thought about herself. I am by no means blaming the victim here. I am just saying she had a number of red flags, she didn’t heed. Plus she was very young. It’s an amazingly sad story.
@@pinkpugginz I think Susan was too afraid to leave, she need a lot of support and help because mentally she was trapped and during that time period, it would of been hard to find a professional who would of taken her on to realize to get away from Josh and the best option was to do it at night while he was sleeping and move to another state under a new name. He killed his kids, he would of came after her if he knew where she was living at such as her parents. Susan knew how dangerous and he only saw her as a liability
@whitedragoness23 she was trying to leave even calling divorce attorneys and documenting assets. she just did it too slowly and too late. her parents and family offered to come pick them up. Josh had been planning to kill her for years
I just made a list of the pros and cons of getting remarried. The cons far out weigh the pros in my case. I wish I would have made this list the first time around. Susie should have done a list. Everyone should do a list before jumping into the deep end of the pool. You don't buy a dress suit without trying it on first.
Josh says . He just can't reach any girls. U think... maybe that physco voice and the words is why. Why I would have ran fast changed my name and moved...he was a sick person.
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My heart breaks for this woman and her family, hopefully they have found her now and can be buried with her beautiful boys, may their souls rest in peace 😇😇😇
How does Josh know how most people talk in their marriages 🤨 ??!! Had he done extensive research into marriages before he said that?! He is a frustrating man to listen to 😵.
Ugh! Like father like son disgusting & repulsive! Poison & it ended tragically for Susan and her boys. Insanity runs in our family, scary how ironically prophetic those words were even though they came from Josh.
i think 95% of it was that he had a job and an apartment whereas other guys Susan's age were on 2 year long mission trips. probably didn't have a lot of options. The church really is a large overarching Factor throughout this entire case and I think it's easy to underestimate the power and influence it had over thoughts and feelings.
Does anyone know if Susan told her parents about Steve’s confession about his feelings for her? Or did they only learn of this AFTER her disappearance?
she told them a tiny bit and they begged her to go to the police. then they found out the rest and how really bad it was after the case files were fully released
Great podcast, guys! This is so fascinating, listening to them in their own words, isn't it? I'd be interested in a psychological analysis of Steve's behaviors by a trained professional, preferably someone with expertise in psychosexual disorders.
on oxygen network there was a woman who had a phd in that type of thing. I think you can find it by searching the story of susan cox powell steve powell
I still don’t see why, he didn’t want to be affectionate, he doesn’t want to be employed, he’s cheap, he’s a bad husband and father, he can’t do anything right and is lazy. He was lucky she even dated him for a few seconds. I think it was a combination of her being young, naive and she saw him as something he wasn’t. I don’t get it, I don’t see it. What did she ever see in him?!
This family reminds me of the Texas chainsaw massacre family all weirdos that poor woman was a good mom Josh deserved to be burned alive the kids didn't
I get a feeling Josh was gay but he was brainwashed by their dad. I get a feeling Alina is on her dad side because she sees the attention her dad was giving Susan. She probably is confused after the mother caught her brothers examining her at a young age, Yuck. Jennifer was lucky, she seems sane. I wouldn’t be surprised if dad made him do it or had a hand himself. But he n brother at least know what happened. And Alina definitely was there.... she seemed traumatized or still is brainwashed.
I thought the same thing. I read in the book if I cant have you that josh was sleeping with the kids naked and a bunch of other stuff...like stuff found on his computer
I can't hear what's being said when the father is driving her to her parents! Anyone know where there is a transcript? Or can tell me what was said? Thanks a lot.
Steve: "I'm probably wrong, but I've really fallen in love with you. I mean, you know, for the last year and a half you're the only thing I can really think about. And I dont know where it began, it probably began with you living with me, and you'd come into my office and you know, let me feel your legs smoothly waxed, shaved or whatever; and then it just led from one thing to another I guess. And that experience on the couch, that act of love 6 months ago was just...I mean, I know...it was a massage right, just being with you for 2 hours, and holding you... Susan: *total silence* Steve: "Maybe I'm getting the wrong signals from you, maybe I'm interpreting something that I shouldn't be interpreting um, you know, it just, for example, when we were sitting on the couch, it just felt like...you were, you know I was extremely aroused and I think you were somewhat aroused I'd think, or so I thought. Susan: " I don't know where you're going with this..." Steve: *stammering* Susan: "I mean, I'm married to your son...I should just be the daughter in law..." Steve: "I know." Susan: "...Which puts me just a step beneath your own children..." Steve: "Mhm." Susan: "And that's where I'm coming from." Steve: "Okay." Susan: "I was kind of meaning to talk to you about this, because I realized that the last time I came over that, my own father, and not to be mean to him about it, because everyone treats their own differently, but, my own father doesn't kiss me. He, as of maybe 6 years ago, just started getting into the habit of saying I love you. And, my mom also. My family is not that vocal and physical with showing their emotions. Mainly you just tease someone to show that you care about them. Which I think is the first level that most people use; you know, your co workers, you know, you tease them because you like hanging out. And, I was just thinking about the last time that my own father doesn't kiss me, and then you kiss me...and I didn't like that. Steve: "Okay. That's fine." Steve: "Susan..." *stammering* when your daughter in law walks into your office and shows you her legs and says...you know...*stammering*" Susan: "Well I'm sorry that I did that, and I can't undo it. So I'm just trying to forget, I guess..." Steve: "Okay. Okay, that's fine." Steve: "Are you upset at me for talking to you like that?" Susan: "Uh...no...its nice to...answer your questions..." Steve: "I appreciate that, I really do because I've been wanting to talk to you...are you going to tall to Josh about it?" Susan: "Is there anything I don't talk to Josh about?"
We also have a small parakeet named Verde, I'm glad I found this pod cast, I was wondering if she did like her father in law-not knowing the whole story this answered everything!!! He was a creep!
Why is it that a lot of guys who are religious are so meek/borderline homosexual sounding? It’s especially prevalent with Josh, in fact I think he was secretly gay but because of his religion he had to pretend to be straight.
He killed his kids cause he didn’t want them raised Mormon, doesn’t sound religious. He was very obviously abused as a child and that is the source of his issues.
Everyone is a product of they're environment. The environment that ur raised in. We should all understand that b4 getting married and most importantly have children.
I think he was like his father.... obsessed. What he describes here is not love its like possession. He wanted to make her his and only his to serve him exclusively. Later when she wanted her own attention to grow and become independent and to share responsibilities of the house and raising their children etc he got enraged because she didn't want to be his little possession anymore she wanted to be herself and have her own money etc. I think with the powell men they view women as slaves to be want they want them to be, not people with needs of their own. Susan, in the beginning accepted joshas controlling nature but toward the end of her life she learned to stick up for herself and stand up to him. She also really did think she deserved better for herself too. Unfortunately she let her fear keep her in thst relationship believing hed change. He continued to deceive her and in the end when he finally realized she was planning to leave him he killed her. So many signs even early on long before his bankruptcy in 2007. The day they got married josh ignored her. Really I don't think he ever really loved her, he may have thought he did of honestly I don't think josh knew how to love anyone. His father destroyed thst in him with his own abuse.
I think he knew he didn’t love her, he made a whole list of how she could serve him in his life. Doing his laundry, etc. he just didn’t want to change but his negative behavior was causing him to be isolated, then he gets lucky with Susan and he marries her fast because she’s young and naive.
Josh flipped behavior 180 right before he killed her. to trick her into staying so he had the chance to take her out. like right before saying they can try for a baby and having sex, cooking dinner in front of the friend. he knew she was getting ready to go.
WHY DO THESE CRAZIES...KEEP JOURNALS, RECORDINGS AND VIDEOS?? POOR SUSAN WAS...TOTALLY IGNORANT OF PEOPLE!! HE IS JUST AS CREEPY AS HIS FATHER STEVE!! HIM CALLING HER....SWEET SUSAN....CREEPS ME OUT!! SUSAN WAS...COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF JOSH...HE WAS A TOTAL LOSER!! SHE COULD MAKE IT ON HER OWN...SHE NEEDED TO GET RID OF HIM!!
His audio diaries kind of remind me of Ross from friends! Like "remember, you cheated death tonight.... You are soooo (self) righteous... Remember to buy stamps."
This is typical male Morman voice inflection and manner of speaking. Pretty much one of the missionaries will sound and talk just like this! Usually the quiet one!
She isn't- There are a lot of people in the comments discussing his strange manner of speaking, and she is pointing out its a cultural thing. Which it is. I live in Salt Lake City and I agree.
@@melissamoonchild9216 It's not typical and it's not cultural....my husband is a Utah Mormon and and I know many, many more who don't have creepy voices like Josh Powell. Do you know why??? Because Josh Powell was a creepy creepy psychopath with a creepy creepy voice.
Knowing one person isnt the same as growing up in the culture. It is a thing. It's a vocal inflection..no one is saying Josh ISNT a creep or saying that he IS a creep because hes mormon. Calm down
What is with this anti-mormon shit? Josh and his family HATED the religion and did everything to bash it in front of believers. He tried brainwashing his son's into hating Jesus for God's sake. Don't pin this shit on religion.
His focus on controlling food is deeply disturbing. One of his sons was diagnosed with malnutrition at a young age: Josh would not let his boys be fed more than one meal a day as they would “ just poop out his food.” But he had plenty of money for power tools.
controlling food keeps people weak. it's a torture tactic
Sick and wrong
Yeah he was addicted to power tools. Probably envisioned sawing people up when he looks at them
A customer of mine recommended these and today at work while I was doing inventory I listened with rapt attention. I am so glad someone is telling her WHOLE story. I sincerely hope someday we find out what really happened to this beautiful woman.
I think Alina and John know
@@jeandixson5610 mmmm maybe. But more likely they weren't taken into confidence. Alina was a girl. John was intellectually damaged
The more I listen to the early experiences of josh I see a clearly picture of fear of never being loved. He was so desperate to be accepted to find a woman to love him in all his quirkiness. Susan did. But I think as he was faced with real responsibility in supporting a family he just freaked 😳 😜 🤔 😱 all that pressure and I think he was jealous that everyone loved his wife including his own father with a sick obsession to have her. He was failing in his ability to hold down a job and im sure his dad bittled him about that 🤔 he wasn't standing up to being a man meanwhile his wife handles working 2 jobs and being a mom too. This had to crush his fragile ego and he asserted his power over her by spending her money on the stuff he thought of make him happy... none of it did through and of course steven kept meddling in their marriage. Steven's role in susan death cannot be ignored as he constantly was taling and photographing her and putting his own son down. This plus his f##### up abusive childhood took its toll on their marriage and all the violence in his parents own marriage. Thank God Jennifer the only one of the powell children who finally got away was able to have a fulfilling happy life made the right decision to leave. Josh unfortunately wasn't strong enough to stand up to his dad and be his own man. The parallels between Steven and Terry and Josh and susans marriage was the perfect example of how joshs psyche was affected by that destruction of his parents marriage. Had Josh been able to get the therapy he desperately needed this tragedy never would j as very happened. The entire powell family susan Josh and Charlie and Barden are dead, all at the hands of Josh. 😱😭💔
Rapt attention a great way to describe this podcast.
Somebody is digging a mineshaft and might have found something you can find it all on YT
I cried several times for this, being a man, this is difficult to report. My children were little but they remembered seeing what I subjected to. Please get help, women AND men! It is not worth it, I was living and married to the female version of Josh Powell. So much was robbed from me and my children, get help! Be brave!
Like father like son with these tapes. Yuck!
Both of them are so odd.the father and Josh both give off vibes they blow up the creepy meters......Ghouls
Thank you COLD for providing these videos. I grew up knowing Susan at church and at school. I am still in shock of all the things that happened to her and her boys even years later. I wanted to thank you for providing these episodes
First of all: So that we can see that Susan was an amazing women that was being mistreated over and over and yet she always had hope. What a strong person. It is very unfortunate that her strong will and beautiful personality was wasted on someone so selfish and unemotional. She could have had a great life if she could have been with someone that cared for her.
Second of all. For you to take the time at the end of the episode to acknowledge if someone is living like this that they should get help. That is huge. I hope other women or men in this type of relationship will see it and realize what is happening and get out as soon as they can.
RIP Susan, Charlie and Braden.
I am so sorry for your loss ... Its unimaginable the things she went through and we hope this never becomes our reality but going to school or church with someone who has lived and died going through this probably hits way harder than the rest of us who never were blessed enoigh to ever know her in this life. She could have been and done so much if her path never crossed with this monster!
I'm so sorry for your loss. it was such a terrible thing. I can't imagine how it must have affected your community. I just hope that people can make something good out of all the bad that came from what happened to Susan and the boys, as in, I hope we gain an increased awareness and concern for others that allows us to protect our loved ones from ever having something like this from happening to them. Wish you the best
YES! I guess you could say so far I was lucky 2 times over the course of 2 marriages my 1st.- barely 16 ( 7 yrs. Off and on with the help of my mother and two children) my 2nd.- marriage was a rescuer Vietnam vet 15 years my senior! With severe severe anger issues I’m talking broken ribs jaw tail bone you name it! For 12 years ! In the name of ,, I felt sorry for him after watching many many videos about Vietnam . I now suffer from severe arthritis because any injuries will always come back to haunt you!, if I add them together it would equal 17/18 years of serious abuse I went on to protect and what I thought was “love“ to a younger man married again! 9 years! And The More I learned through counseling and what did , I do again?! 12 years ago get married to a person that I tried to “fix” and now I am 60 years old! I know abuse all too well
@@brenne8030 this isn't about you. Go seek pity for your story somewhere else ffs!!
@@baldwinserrantshot365 shut up everybody else has a story on here what do you care? your name suits you dipstick
It is kind of amazing that all these folks kept such detailed journals. I don’t know anyone who does that.
Mormons are suppose to journal its what they are taught
Psychos and Murderers always seem to document everything...
I didn’t know that I’m still learning. I wonder if Chad & Lori Daybell have journals. I’m praying they do and police have them
My first thought, as well.
Thank you to everyone who explained the significance of journaling in the LDS church. I wasn't aware of this custom/practice.
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Seriously ok when a man asks u to buy ur own engagement ring RUN🤣🤣🤣
The psychopath gene runs deep in that family
True...Technic_Junglist
I'm so glad to hear you mentioning the power imbalance between Susan and her father-in-law. It's SUCH important context IMO. Sometimes men don't really think of those things because they don't experience it as much; and if you don't think of it then you wouldn't understand why she's completely quiet, not stopping him, etc. It's because she's in shock, and terrified.
That proposal! Hands down the goofiest ever in the history of proposals! That discount ring. That voice. Falling in love over doing the dishes. That's the moment he knew she was "the one". Etc. etc. More red flags than I can count.
Josh was so damn awkward and weird. I’ve never known anyone to fall in love while doing their dishes!😄😄😄
I’m sorry, but I laughed my ass off at that whole proposal mess. I’m just not wholesome enough to get it. I’m sure there are people who thought it was adorable.
degenerati I think the actual proposal was fairly sweet but Josh is just so awkward... I’m surprised he could even get a girlfriend let alone get someone to marry him!! He’s a psycho! 🤦🏼♀️
degenerati Oh! By the way, I am quite wholesome but not THAT wholesome! 😂😂😉
Small Town Girl Big City Heart Yes! It feels so much more like it was some sort of sad, freaky parody of wholesomeness...as opposed to actual wholesomeness.
The hardest part besides the sorrow is hearing his voice. It's disgusting.
I find it fascinating
@@stephensullivan1879 me too actually. It took awhile for me up not feel like barfing but once I got over it, the insanity is definitely fascinating.
Exactly! Josh's voice is so creepy 😳
These men are so slimy, their voices, their behavior, their using women and children and their recording and journaling themselves being disgusting 🤮
Fo Sho
You better be done being mad at me, *by the time I get back from making these photocopies!* Lmao.... Psycho Alarm! *BEEP* *BEEP*
I would never date a guy that had bad credit, no job, was scamming insurance companies, made me buy my own ring and flowers, creepy nasally voice, and also did not stop his dad from sexually harassing me!! Sickening!!
Them recording everything is a BIG RED 🚩
Someone showing you their leg is coming onto them? And the mirror ugh disgusting.
she was 19 and very naive ....
we tend to fall kn love easy at that age and we do not think of money and other things....just love kisses love sex etc
LDS have to marry young cuz no sex before marriage. It’s what killed Jodi Arias’s dude, what’s his name?
@@annacostello5181 Travis Alexander was sleeping around with many different women. He was killed because Jodie was insane. he had no interest in marrying her. he wanted to marry a mormon woman yet continued having sex with jodi then rejected her
Closet gay, Josh doesn't actually "like" girls, he used them for money.
It’s so fn cringy listening to both Steve and Josh in those journals. I hope some women that are in similar situations hear this and get away.
So sad. Thanks to Diesel Brothers for bringing me here
Me too, HeavyD sent me. Very troubling situation for Susan from the very beginning.
Dont meet someone when you're down. Wait until you're in a great mood. Then you won't put up with things you might if you were feeling down.
He was controlling and manipulative
He had a creepy ass father
He didn't help financially
He didn't help around the house
He didn't even give her affection or sex.
This poor woman was being murdered for years.
Josh was all those things, yet she stayed. Her religious beliefs prevented her from being autonomous. Most wives will sacrifice their autonomy to keep the family together. As their mothers did.
What was Susan thinking when she married that son of a bitch?
@@tjo8673 sadly I wish in her case she didn’t believe so much in her faith. I’m sure her church could let her divorce and support her away from her husband. There should be no shame in being a single mother
Excellent Investigation. I enjoyed Listening and Learning. Rest in Peace Susan.
He sounds so much like my ex...it’s actually terrifying.
THATS WHAT IM THINING ! Im like the surprised Pikachu meme
Lucky you both got out
It's as if they all read the same script. I dodged a bullet too.
He bought her engagement ring with her store discount? Dear Lord…
She got her engagement ring on her discount and didn't find out till he proposed...red sign 2!!
His threat of taking the boy’s is Josh saying he would never pay child support. He couldn’t care for the boys on his own. I think he lost interest in her because of his dad. Yuk
So… Susan bought her own engagement ring 🤦🏻♀️ this man was so beneath her. She was a wonderful mother who worked SO hard because Josh was a deadbeat dysfunctional person.
Who else is here watching because of Heavy D's reference to this series...
It's sad hearing how much she was willing to change to make him happy. I'm sure this podcast is helping many people to see the signs and leave when the relationship shows red flags. Btw I hope this podcast covers other cases and help.
Like the Gabby Petito case 👍🏼😢
Me, me, me...what a malignant narcissist!
One thing really bothers me is that Jenny's children were not allowed in the wedding and were forced to stay outside with creepy Steve and the rest of the Powell's. I would never be part of a religion that treats children like that Absolutely no excuses for that it really shocked me.
Why on earth would a religion ban children from services? None of it makes sense
When Josh says "Susan & I need blessings...." Ugh! it made my skin crawl!!!!
I know right? Josh, you needed to speak to a psychiatrist not blessings!
My spidey senses are tingling!
This guy was twisted,!
Josh's actual narration sound so much like Warren Jeffs...it's vomit inducing
elizabethprost That was my immediate thought as well!
It really is @elizabeth
@@annenymety209 that’s the first thing I noticed. Very true!
Mormons are taught to speak softly. I think that is why a lot of them sound robotic.
The sound of his voice is a big red sign for me!
Disgusting family (except Jennifer. She's awesome)
My SIL. This is so hard to listen to. My grand children's counselor is totally convinced their father is the model parent. My grand daughter is so afraid to tell the truth because of his anger. Courts don't always make the right decisions. Dear God help.
Praying for you and your family!! I know the courts only see what they want to. Over loaded. Hoping you make it
Kathy Cunningham thank you for the prayers. I pray every day for a positive resolution for my daughter and grand children.
Father, please intervene in this situation;set them free from this abuse. I ask this in the name of Jesus
Is there no one else not related that might speak on her behalf? Think hard because if he's really a bad guy he's always thinking of ways to win. God bless and have courage.
Document EVERYTHING! It is crucial in situations like yours. As harsh as this may sound authorities need to see blood. Speaking from experience the courts need evidence. Abusers master the art of manipulation and I'm sure you know they're always plotting.
What Susan said at 01:02:48 "Decided I don't want him dead, I like him around for the boys" is also quite disturbing...
Josh constantly talked about death around her and killing her off. He told his dad and family he wanted her dead and wished she would be killed by a drunk driver or worse. EVERYONE contemplates wanting their abuser dead. Hell I did. Its part of the process
@@pinkpugginz Yeah I know. Strange strange stuff, I don't mean what's being said but the overall vibe of all of this.
Making her ride her bike right beside big trucks is not love. It's crazy.
I used to be so naive that unless someone actually said they were trying to hit on me I would dismiss it bc I thought they might just want to be friendly like I was. If I knew some creep like this was obsessed with my daughter I'd want to rip him apart with my bare hands.
We’re lucky he didn’t become a cult leader. I feel so deeply for Susan because she knew she was stuck there with him. I was lucky to get out alive in my own situation. I hope they find her.
Yes! I thought of that, cult leader. Horrible enough what he did better than what he was capable of ! crazy father /brother you name it ! And what about the brothers wife?/ ex-wife? She might’ve been nutty also
Who would follow him? He could barely get a date
Josh Powell has the same soft voice as Warren Jeffs, the FLDS cult leader. Same attitudes toward females, too. The whole thing creeps me out.
This is my second time watching every single episode consecutively- start to finish. Thank you for helping me get to know Susan and her boys so well. She was everyone’s sister, wife, daughter, mother. As were Charlie and Braden everyone’s sons and grandsons, brothers and cousins. This is a heartbreaking yet beautiful way to keep their memories with us. You’re so talented at what you do. I’m so grateful to be able to watch and hear this incredible content.
Let’s see. Unemployed. In debt. Drives a mini van. He’s a real keeper!
Josh’s comments on his wedding night, disinterest in his wife.
He’s gay. I’ve heard the same from friends who later discovered their spouse was gay.
He had def been sexualized by his own father
agree he wouldn't even kiss her or his ex gf
@@pinkpugginzAlso 100% agree… I was thinking he’s probably gay, but fought it with every bone in his body, a bit like (a way I’ve heard it before) catholic guilt? Plus denouncing his faith, possibly because believing in Jesus gave him those "guilt" feelings!! Perhaps all his internal battles & his creepy ass father’s influence made him grow up (or lack thereof), just as creepy & messed up in the head? Whatever was going on with Josh, Susan did not deserve the life & possible death she ended up having by marrying Josh!! And those 2 little boys, my heart breaks for them as well as Susan. Wherever she & her boys are, I hope they’re together. (Sorry, I’m not religious, but feel there HAS to be a place where we all end up being reunited with our loved ones again)!
RIP Susan, Charlie & Braden 😥💔
Thanks to #AnnieElise for directing me to this podcast. It’s very informative & I hope it helps anyone who feels they are caught up in a life where abuse is a part of their relationship. Great investigative reporting guys.
I heard you on an interview with Nate today and you both talked about this podcast. I have never heard of it. So happy I listened to that interview!! This case is still horrifying to me!! But I always wanted to know more. I watch everything, I thought, on this case.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS IN-DEPTH LOOK! No doubt he is creepy and Susan was an angel who was blind sided. RIP
You did a great job! I cannot stop listening, wish I had found this sooner! Hope you delve into the Vallow/Daybell saga!! Great insight!!
He made her buy her own ring and flowers.
Mormons are so innocent..."in love" after one kiss
Such a dweeb ugh.
Big red flag
This is a good example of how Susan thought about herself. I am by no means blaming the victim here. I am just saying she had a number of red flags, she didn’t heed. Plus she was very young. It’s an amazingly sad story.
That's selfish
How concerning it was to hear the sister even left handedly infer that Susan's attitude was somehow to blame.
Susan needed help to get away from that monster and support.
@@whitedragoness23 jennifer said she has massive guilt and regrets that she told susan to stay and didn't try forcing her to leave
@@pinkpugginz I think Susan was too afraid to leave, she need a lot of support and help because mentally she was trapped and during that time period, it would of been hard to find a professional who would of taken her on to realize to get away from Josh and the best option was to do it at night while he was sleeping and move to another state under a new name. He killed his kids, he would of came after her if he knew where she was living at such as her parents. Susan knew how dangerous and he only saw her as a liability
@whitedragoness23 she was trying to leave even calling divorce attorneys and documenting assets. she just did it too slowly and too late. her parents and family offered to come pick them up. Josh had been planning to kill her for years
I just made a list of the pros and cons of getting remarried. The cons far out weigh the pros in my case. I wish I would have made this list the first time around.
Susie should have done a list. Everyone should do a list before jumping into the deep end of the pool.
You don't buy a dress suit without trying it on first.
I’m Binge listening to every video on your channel I’m so happy I found it ❤️
Wait what? How can children be too young to enter a Mormon temple? Parents can't worship with their children? Odd.
Is it just me or does Josh's voice on his recordings sound sort of like Warren Jeffs?
Yup, 😝 makes my skin crawl.
Was just thinking that very thing. Ick!
Is Warren Jeffs gay too?
They probably have similar accents seeing as they were both from Utah and they were both in the mormon community.
This is so interesting! I’m very glad I found this podcast. Hope you do many more 😃
His voice makes my skin crawl. Delusional was an understatement. So controlling and manipulative. Please seek help if someone treats you this way.
Josh says . He just can't reach any girls. U think... maybe that physco voice and the words is why. Why I would have ran fast changed my name and moved...he was a sick person.
I've never seen a channel as good as yours; someone recommended it to me today, and I decided to check it out; nonetheless, your channel is outstanding. From London 🇬🇧
So glad I found this podcast. I've been obsessed with this case for so long. Thank you for telling this woman's full story.
This podcast is soooo detailed and FABULOUS!! Thank you!!!
Wow .. what a phenomenal piece of work
I am so creeped out hearing him talk. Absolute narcissist.
My heart breaks for this woman and her family, hopefully they have found her now and can be buried with her beautiful boys, may their souls rest in peace 😇😇😇
she has never been found. and never will be imo
Nope . Unfortunately if not by now.. likely forever a mystery that Josh took with him(the answers)to the grave
Thank you so much for this channel s well done 👍🙏🙏🙏👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻☘️☘️☘️
A very nice podcast. It really gives more insight in this case and the people it involves than any other podcast I´ve heard so far. Very nicely done !
How does Josh know how most people talk in their marriages 🤨 ??!! Had he done extensive research into marriages before he said that?! He is a frustrating man to listen to 😵.
Ugh! Like father like son disgusting & repulsive! Poison & it ended tragically for Susan and her boys. Insanity runs in our family, scary how ironically prophetic those words were even though they came from Josh.
Even his voice is so whiny and creepy lol idk how a woman became attracted to that lol
i think 95% of it was that he had a job and an apartment whereas other guys Susan's age were on 2 year long mission trips. probably didn't have a lot of options. The church really is a large overarching Factor throughout this entire case and I think it's easy to underestimate the power and influence it had over thoughts and feelings.
Does anyone know if Susan told her parents about Steve’s confession about his feelings for her? Or did they only learn of this AFTER her disappearance?
she told them a tiny bit and they begged her to go to the police. then they found out the rest and how really bad it was after the case files were fully released
Charlie said john knows where mommy is
Those brothers were evil and demented
Iv shook my head many times iv raised my eyebrows a few times and iv said omfg several.
So thankyou for this its crazy
As someone who doesn’t like doing dishes, this is super super creepy!!!
Great podcast, guys!
This is so fascinating, listening to them in their own words, isn't it?
I'd be interested in a psychological analysis of Steve's behaviors by a trained professional, preferably someone with expertise in psychosexual disorders.
He’s a creep and why did he get custody of any kids? Why was he allowed to live? He ruined his family and then Susan’s families lives
on oxygen network there was a woman who had a phd in that type of thing. I think you can find it by searching the story of susan cox powell steve powell
In the car after Creepy Josh father told her **skin-crawling info** 🤮
💜She was silent for 1 minute and 47 seconds!! 💜
💜PeaCe&ReSPeCt, Shelley
Omg he talks just like Warren Jeffs. 🤮
Mrs Nevens he does!!!! Ew ew ew
That’s exactly what I was thinking
My thoughts too!!!
HahHa agree omg
Had the same thought.
He "loved her" because he could tell she wasn't going to leave him?
cause she cleaned his apartment and had good credit
His voice is so incredibly creepy, poor girl, what did she see in him?
I still don’t see why, he didn’t want to be affectionate, he doesn’t want to be employed, he’s cheap, he’s a bad husband and father, he can’t do anything right and is lazy.
He was lucky she even dated him for a few seconds. I think it was a combination of her being young, naive and she saw him as something he wasn’t. I don’t get it, I don’t see it. What did she ever see in him?!
The father in law may have had something to do with it!
Chilling, Susan is/was, a very strong woman.
This family reminds me of the Texas chainsaw massacre family all weirdos that poor woman was a good mom Josh deserved to be burned alive the kids didn't
They remind me of the devils rejects family...fruity fuckin' tooootyyyy!
😂
“ I feel a real dark influence within myself.” ~Josh
*creepy whisper* Susan and I need blessings
I love this podcast!
I feel like I missed the phone book ad lawsuit part.....anyone have a time stamp?
57:30
Oh my gosh, the pervy dad is so inappropriate and disgusting!!!! EEEWWWWEEEEEEEE🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. Poor Susan😔...I hope one day they find her🙏🙏🙏
Hes nuts. Josh is crazy.
Daddy too.
No doubt
I get a feeling Josh was gay but he was brainwashed by their dad. I get a feeling Alina is on her dad side because she sees the attention her dad was giving Susan. She probably is confused after the mother caught her brothers examining her at a young age, Yuck. Jennifer was lucky, she seems sane. I wouldn’t be surprised if dad made him do it or had a hand himself. But he n brother at least know what happened. And Alina definitely was there.... she seemed traumatized or still is brainwashed.
I thought the same thing. I read in the book if I cant have you that josh was sleeping with the kids naked and a bunch of other stuff...like stuff found on his computer
A man who ignores his child's birth is the kind of guy who would kill his wife. I believe my child's father would kill me too
Natasha Faye hope you got out!
@@sarahhunter1114 Yes I have thank you and he's not happy about it if you know what I mean
Yikes! That’s terrifying😬
How the heck does a phone book ad cost 91K?
He got sued by the company apparently
Scam
I can't hear what's being said when the father is driving her to her parents! Anyone know where there is a transcript? Or can tell me what was said? Thanks a lot.
Steve: "I'm probably wrong, but I've really fallen in love with you. I mean, you know, for the last year and a half you're the only thing I can really think about. And I dont know where it began, it probably began with you living with me, and you'd come into my office and you know, let me feel your legs smoothly waxed, shaved or whatever; and then it just led from one thing to another I guess. And that experience on the couch, that act of love 6 months ago was just...I mean, I know...it was a massage right, just being with you for 2 hours, and holding you...
Susan: *total silence*
Steve: "Maybe I'm getting the wrong signals from you, maybe I'm interpreting something that I shouldn't be interpreting um, you know, it just, for example, when we were sitting on the couch, it just felt like...you were, you know I was extremely aroused and I think you were somewhat aroused I'd think, or so I thought.
Susan: " I don't know where you're going with this..."
Steve: *stammering*
Susan: "I mean, I'm married to your son...I should just be the daughter in law..."
Steve: "I know."
Susan: "...Which puts me just a step beneath your own children..."
Steve: "Mhm."
Susan: "And that's where I'm coming from."
Steve: "Okay."
Susan: "I was kind of meaning to talk to you about this, because I realized that the last time I came over that, my own father, and not to be mean to him about it, because everyone treats their own differently, but, my own father doesn't kiss me. He, as of maybe 6 years ago, just started getting into the habit of saying I love you. And, my mom also. My family is not that vocal and physical with showing their emotions. Mainly you just tease someone to show that you care about them. Which I think is the first level that most people use; you know, your co workers, you know, you tease them because you like hanging out. And, I was just thinking about the last time that my own father doesn't kiss me, and then you kiss me...and I didn't like that.
Steve: "Okay. That's fine."
Steve: "Susan..." *stammering* when your daughter in law walks into your office and shows you her legs and says...you know...*stammering*"
Susan: "Well I'm sorry that I did that, and I can't undo it. So I'm just trying to forget, I guess..."
Steve: "Okay. Okay, that's fine."
Steve: "Are you upset at me for talking to you like that?"
Susan: "Uh...no...its nice to...answer your questions..."
Steve: "I appreciate that, I really do because I've been wanting to talk to you...are you going to tall to Josh about it?"
Susan: "Is there anything I don't talk to Josh about?"
Josh and his dad were disgusting pigs. Poor Susan I wish she would of got away from those freaks..
@@friencheetah 1@
@@mariannegarcia5353 fu
I can’t believe Steve’s daughter said Susan was a player, her father was at fault for a one side love
I love this Susan she tried so hard just wanted to be happy
Right. You wouldn't catch me dead dating a deadbeat that had a ton of debt and no job!
@@pinkpugginz she thought she deserved crumbs
Omg, Susan you were an angel to put up and even love that horrible monster. R.I.P and may you be in a better place.
His recordings sound so creepy
It's interesting how psychopaths behave. No insight whatsoever. Also what was he doing with all of the computers?
bad stuff
Subway on a 1st date? WTF?
He was a cheap fuck. Being frugal is one thing, but this dude was a Grabbler.
Lmao 😂
It was "A Perfect Storm" of events...
It happens and why get hung up on a simple date (not everyone has money)
@@rebeccahinner1572 its a pattern of bad behavior
We also have a small parakeet named Verde, I'm glad I found this pod cast, I was wondering if she did like her father in law-not knowing the whole story this answered everything!!! He was a creep!
Why is it that a lot of guys who are religious are so meek/borderline homosexual sounding? It’s especially prevalent with Josh, in fact I think he was secretly gay but because of his religion he had to pretend to be straight.
he was for sure gay. tons of gay incest CP on his computer. also google searched: ED during heterosexual sex pn his comp
He killed his kids cause he didn’t want them raised Mormon, doesn’t sound religious. He was very obviously abused as a child and that is the source of his issues.
Everyone is a product of they're environment. The environment that ur raised in. We should all understand that b4 getting married and most importantly have children.
Notice how all these family annihilators look like and sound like weasels?
I'm glad I didn't become his roommate in Tacoma back in 1999.
I think he was like his father.... obsessed. What he describes here is not love its like possession. He wanted to make her his and only his to serve him exclusively. Later when she wanted her own attention to grow and become independent and to share responsibilities of the house and raising their children etc he got enraged because she didn't want to be his little possession anymore she wanted to be herself and have her own money etc. I think with the powell men they view women as slaves to be want they want them to be, not people with needs of their own. Susan, in the beginning accepted joshas controlling nature but toward the end of her life she learned to stick up for herself and stand up to him. She also really did think she deserved better for herself too. Unfortunately she let her fear keep her in thst relationship believing hed change. He continued to deceive her and in the end when he finally realized she was planning to leave him he killed her. So many signs even early on long before his bankruptcy in 2007. The day they got married josh ignored her. Really I don't think he ever really loved her, he may have thought he did of honestly I don't think josh knew how to love anyone. His father destroyed thst in him with his own abuse.
I think he knew he didn’t love her, he made a whole list of how she could serve him in his life. Doing his laundry, etc.
he just didn’t want to change but his negative behavior was causing him to be isolated, then he gets lucky with Susan and he marries her fast because she’s young and naive.
Josh flipped behavior 180 right before he killed her. to trick her into staying so he had the chance to take her out. like right before saying they can try for a baby and having sex, cooking dinner in front of the friend. he knew she was getting ready to go.
This guy was a real creep. And his father?... apple doesn't fall far, YiKes.
Did the Apple even fall?
WHY DO THESE CRAZIES...KEEP JOURNALS, RECORDINGS AND VIDEOS??
POOR SUSAN WAS...TOTALLY IGNORANT OF PEOPLE!! HE IS JUST AS CREEPY AS HIS FATHER STEVE!!
HIM CALLING HER....SWEET SUSAN....CREEPS ME OUT!!
SUSAN WAS...COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF JOSH...HE WAS A TOTAL LOSER!!
SHE COULD MAKE IT ON HER OWN...SHE NEEDED TO GET RID OF HIM!!
She was quite naive and saw the best in people..even people who had no 'best' in them!
To keep track of their lies!
Swear this whole powell family except for the sister and maybe the mother was like a horror movie wow
His audio diaries kind of remind me of Ross from friends! Like "remember, you cheated death tonight.... You are soooo (self) righteous... Remember to buy stamps."
No match. He wasn't creepy or narcissistic
Great job!!!
Josh sounds like Warren Jeffs recordings. Creepy.
"I'm just a lost little boy"
Isn't that what Warren Jeff's said? Shudder
So gross 😝
This is typical male Morman voice inflection and manner of speaking. Pretty much one of the missionaries will sound and talk just like this! Usually the quiet one!
Don't take away from Susan's story by making this a religious thing.
She isn't- There are a lot of people in the comments discussing his strange manner of speaking, and she is pointing out its a cultural thing. Which it is. I live in Salt Lake City and I agree.
@@melissamoonchild9216 It's not typical and it's not cultural....my husband is a Utah Mormon and and I know many, many more who don't have creepy voices like Josh Powell. Do you know why??? Because Josh Powell was a creepy creepy psychopath with a creepy creepy voice.
Knowing one person isnt the same as growing up in the culture. It is a thing. It's a vocal inflection..no one is saying Josh ISNT a creep or saying that he IS a creep because hes mormon. Calm down
What is with this anti-mormon shit? Josh and his family HATED the religion and did everything to bash it in front of believers. He tried brainwashing his son's into hating Jesus for God's sake. Don't pin this shit on religion.