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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- It's that time of year again! Time to look at another game that failed to achieve its ambitions, but this time, things are a little different...
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My locals was incredibly hyped for this game (the owners at least) and the loyal vanguard players there where willing to buy into it, myself included, the product came out most of us got a box and 1-2 decks, started to build, draft, trade, and learn the game, in prep for the first tournament the store would host, 1 tournament in. And everyone was not happy, most players (myself included) switched back to CFV because we had more fun, and now my locals has almost 3 cases worth of decks and sealed boxes that they can’t move anymore because no one plays, I’ve been tempted to buy it off them just to try and move it myself as singles/premade decks, but unfortunately the demand I have seen online has puttered away to nonexistent and now there just stuck and might have to cancel other games coming out because they can’t risk it being as big as a flop at this, grand archive, and shadowverse has been
CFV requiires luck because of the triggers. There isn't big strategy in this card game...
@@VelvetCrowe734but it's fun homie. Ppl can play whatever they like.
@@Vonboon11dycongratulations, what you wrote has nothing to do with what I posted. Thanks for your stupidity.
Shadowverse Evolve was AWFUL! So many of the cards changed from their original forms and even complete archetypes were just gutted or didnt work as intended. I dont know what Bushiroad was thinking, but if i had to guess, this was them just making a game for a client and then funneling the dough into CFV and Weiss Schwarz. Why else make the game that terrible?
@@VelvetCrowe734 Just like Pokemon totally is a coin flip simulator. As in, that is the argument that you'll only ever hear from someone who has never played VG a single time in their entire lives.
Well the good news is they've done a lot since this video. Reuploaded the tutorial (still kinda bad, but better voices), restructured prizing, added free web manga on their site, and they have sets scheduled for up to December 2024. Probably still too late, but who knows, maybe they can turn things around.
My buddy who HATES cardgames is actually now interested in this game due to the Eva tie in. I decided to show him how to play and he really liked it. So there's the slightest bit of hope.
I noticed the reupload. I bought some starter decks online when BSS first came out, but none of my LGS's host BSS. Like I'd have to travel nearly an hour to get to a store that does, and doing that wasn't practical for me then. My situation is different now and I could do that, so since this game still seems to be going and not dead yet, I think I'll jump more into it.
@@travisrose2277
You should, boxes can be as cheap as $20, and the game is growing.
It also doesn't help that the One Piece TCG was launched about half a year earlier, and was having supply issue: being sold out, and hard to come by until only recently. Everyone was buying that, and didn't want to focus on two new TCG's at once.
They should have waited till next year to launch.
Its wild to think that Bandai, one company, has at least 4 card games (Dragon Ball Super, Digimon, One Piece, and BSS) all running at the same time in English speaking countries. I mean at this point they are competing with themselves more than their actual competitors. Die hard fans of MTG and Yugioh aren't going to flock to BSS in droves, the people who picked up Bandai games already found a game to get excited about in one of the last 3 nostalgic franchises. By undertaking this endeavor they've tried to convince their own players to stop playing the games they play to drop money on a new one. What if they're so disappointed by how lousy the game turned out that they decide to take a break from Bandai games in general? They spent money to alienate their own fans who were previously dropping money on their games. Their only hope of success was capitalizing on the nostalgic appeal of having many different crossover franchises all in the same game, since people were already expecting that. The fact that the first sets had almost no crossover characters is a huge missed opportunity and immediately makes the game seem far blander than the 3 that preceded it.
@@marvelsandals4228Bandai is bringing Union Arena to the US too lol
I will say Moist isn't completely agnostic to card games, He's an avid Yu-Gi-Oh! Collector and has been on Yugitubing channels with relative frequency
True, but he's basically just a collector. The only YGO he knows how to play is Gren Maju, so he isn't really in the competitive space. And for Pokemon he's literally just a collector.
BSS had its biggest selling point be the competitive scene, which even for the games he enjoys Critikal is essentially entirely divorced from the competitive side.
Very true but he doesn't really advertise it on his channel, which is what Kohdok pointed out. Like he didn't even notify anyone on his social media about appearing on Duel Night lol. But yeah like you said he does have tangential knowledge in card games in general so he could've given some great input on Battle Spirits Saga.
He's a collector of one card game. That's just like saying that he's somewhat of a car guy because he needs a vehicle to go around.
Dude lack enthusiasm for anything even if he plays card games he is terrible playing the role of promoter
If they sent it out to like teamsamuraix1 or cimooo who have a huge YuGiOh following they probably would have done better. As a YuGiOh and BSS player I really love the game and think it to be one of the better more skill based games out that I have played
Thanks for mentioning my video! This was a wonderful breakdown of how battle spirits saga was handled. It's sad see such a good property mismanaged in the west.
the funny thing about sending this kit to MatPat of all people is that he HAS played games on hia live channel that have CCG mechanics, and he said specifically that he doesn't play card games because he's bad at them. which is faur enough, but if the BSS team had actually checked, they'd know that
I’m still trying to piece together how of all people, Avril Lavigne also got swept in with all this? Like, why Avril? How did that even happened?
@@NeroVingian40they're popular
Shaman King needs to be next in this series.
It could form an unbreakable bond
I mean the world you is not what it seems
We might have to go beyond our wildest dreams
If your spirit is strong, you could be the ONE.
I'm in this video a couple times. Never thought I'd get to say that about a Kohdok video! 🤣🤣 (I worked the Launch Event in Vegas.)
Honestly, I love the game, and I'm actually a tiny bit happy they are winding it back a bit. Now the people playing it are actually the people who enjoy the game, not the no-lifers who are just in it for the money and flipping and couldn't care less about the game.
Really informative video! Don't quite agree on every single point, but I'm just happy someone is finally talking about this,
18:29 - This was saturday / day 1, there were plenty of people playing (415 or so). Day 0 / friday was product pickup and there were still a ton of people building decks and making trades to prepare for day 1. There were probably more people day 0 than day 1 since the amount of product you could buy was limited, so people brought friends to get more product to sell / trade singles. A lot of it were vendors coming in groups to get product to sell early. Something like only half of the people that bought product day 0 participated in day 1.
18:33 was day 2. There wasn't really anything for the non-top cut players to do so no one showed up for day 2. There were like 20-30 of us watching the projector screen of the feature match but that was it.
So me pointing out lack of side-events and all that was still apt?
Also ~400 is less than half the attendance they were expecting; the ticketing website was estimating at least 1000 people.
@@Kohdok yeah the event definitely under performed. There were"technically" side events, but it was like $30-40, single elim win a box that fired off one pod before people were like, "this ain't worth it." There was no official draft format at this time either. It was really weird, like someone from the late 90's or early 2000's who never saw a card game expo before, time traveled to 2023 and was put in charge of hosting the event.
Would love to see you do this series for Vanguard. I know you hate the franchise but would be nice to see your take.
also with how BSS did nobody can tell me their one piece game isnt being carried by the IP
I wouldn't say carried but the IP is definitely the reason tournaments and sets are selling out so fast.
Doubt it, the tournament sell out because it’s a much deeper game than people think
one piece will fall off and lose steam just like all bandai card games eventually.
Never heard of this game in my life but your little fake trailer for it at the end there genuinely got me kinda hyped up ngl
As both a judge and a player I’m very hopeful and I’m very happy to even be given the chance to be a part of the game like I have been.
Set 3 is awesome but the pricing is yeah, and I am excited for set 4 cause of new mechanics.
Genuinely idk if it will keep going but I know we have 2 years of support past that idk I’m just gonna remain hopeful.
They always just can it. 2 years of support if its profitable
@@Rayquaza894we already know we have up to set 6 from a bunch of dev and marketing talks but nothing past that is known or expected atm. Set 6 would bring us to the end of year 2 and the end of the second worlds season.
I absolutely love this game. The game mechanic is fantastic. Set 3 has fixed a lot of what players were complaining about! So Bandai is willing to listen to feedback and make the game better for everyone. Also set 4 will have a collab with Evangelion, so that is something to look forward too.
"I don't care that it's what one piece did" excellent rebuttal.
Will keep playing no matter what, love the game, the interaction, and the ressource management, so we will see
FYI Hasbro has the Power Rangers rights now so they'd have to go through them to do anything outside of Asia.
Yup. People dont get that different countries may have different license holders.
Could have called it Super Sentai, especially considering it's the source material
@@marxxplaysgames nope still falls under hasbro. They basically have the master license for everywhere outside Asia.
So even when Shout Factory directly licenses Sentai shows from Toei they still need the approval from Hasbro. That's why you see the Hasbro or Eone logos on the back of the DVD boxes.
@@marxxplaysgames I thought this at first, but I would bet that the rights to distribute "Super Sentai" were bought by Saban at the time. You wouldn't want a competitor licensing the same show, film different custom scenes than power rangers did, and release it while its called, "Mega Rangers" or something. So I don't think they'll be able to do Super Sentai for any run that was licensed out already.
@YamiAtomsk I'm not sure if Hasbro has worldwide ownership of Power Rangers/Super Sentai outside of Japan. Since South Korea has their own version of Power Rangers. Mostly just Super Sentai dubs, but also including some original seaons.
Honestly I'm a fan of the game. Even though there isn't really a player base where i am, i still buy into it. I'm hoping to play online or find a way to drum up support.
technically they cannot do the power rangers since Bandai no longer owns the franchise. Its a Hasbro franchise now
That would be really entertaining if merchandise started showing up of Super Sentai teams that were never adapted as Rangers.
"Traps work like the Secrets in Hearthstone" - You really decided not to state the obvious 😂
it seems IP's hold so much weight in tcgs at this point truly a shame.
yup, one piece is a much worse game, yet selling significantly better...
@@anab0licDisney's Lorcana as well. Seems like no one's playing the game, they just want to make a quick buck by reselling :/
@@anab0liccomparing anything to One Piece is hardly a fair comparison. One Piece is a juggernaut like few other IPs in existence.
I mean look at pokemon tcg. I can't remember how many collector showcase videos there is where the collectors themself admit that they don't play the game at all. Heck the largest pkm tcg chanel maxmoefoe don't even play the game.
Its an original IP so it's kinda hard for it to grow outside of Japan
It's almost bafflingly impressive how many of the lessons from Seven Deadly TCG Sins, Errata Text and many of Kohdok's other videos culminate to show just how atrocious Battle Spirits Saga's launch year was.
There was a Seven Deadly Sins TCG? That's proof that literally anything can be turned into a tcg.
@@elin111 Well, there was a Seven Deadly Sins expansion for Weiß Schwarz.
I think the highest amount of players we had at locals was 6 or 8 for this game. Now none have shown in a month. In a decent size city. Too much competition in the card game space. Heard the other store groups basically failed at launch and we became the only store hosting active tournies
There were over 400 people in vegas...
I’m an avid BSS fan, and a lot of this is right on point (the game is failing for a reason) but much more of it isn’t a fair representation of what’s going on.
The first set actually had tons of complexity for how little cards were available, with more archetype variety in set 1 than OPTCG had in 3 sets.
And on your comment about the banlist at the very end: the ban came around after very quickly after a degenerate meta was forming, and was extremely positively received. Nobody invested in the game has been asking for ice shield to be banned.
Set 4 is looking to have tons of evangelion inserts and was delayed a month to get things right, which is a good sign that Bandai is ready to keep investing in the game after the poor launch.
Yeah, set 4 will also allow you to get Eva cards that are more common, so you don't have to be lucky enough to score a $50-$100 card just to see a crossover card. Then those cards themselves will rarely come in an upgraded premium version with texturing and foiling.
The funny part about the Critikal part is that he's more into YGO, to the point he could actually be a brand ambassador if he or Konami wanted to (and not that antoine guy)
I was one of the first who predicted the battlespirits fail, why? Because players need to play games to have FUN! Not bribed by tournament prizes. I still think Dragon Ball Masters is the best new iteration of the Japanese anime card game in theme, mechanics, strategy, deck building, and FUN. My only gripe is that The DB masters community got too obsessed with “meta” decks and this led to them slamming many leaders and colors, and abusing any hyped deck that won a tourney, which led to too many unecessary bans. BUT, if you play like my group and locals, we have our own tiny ban list and we also play casual formats of Dragon Ball Masters. Our competitive meta is so healthy and unpredicatble, almost any deck old or new can win an event and tourney! That being said, instead of Battle Spirits, like you said, the generic fantasy theme is done. Players will always choose MtG or YuGiOh. I chooese MtG.
MTG isnt exactly generic fantasy though. Its really varied and can be very outlandish depending on the plane.
Yugioh on the other hand is known for its extremely inconsistent and varied aesthetics. One archetype could be a cross between Resident Evil and Spawn where spawn is zombie slaughtering other zombies, and another could be centered around otome boy dream spirits in a dream world a little girl travels to each night as she sleeps.
@@CatManThree i agree! Which is why I also passed on yugioh, great comment 🙌🏻
@@tcgmetaslayer4202 I like how you use dbs masters as an example when by all means it wouldn't exist without the money Bandai made for several years from battle spirits jp and still going. This is why you don't make kohdok gospel. If anything, anime fantasy is untapped. Which is why a game like fire emblem cipher should have gone international. Anyways, as someone who digs Saga, and believe that Bandai wouldn't let their baby die internationally a second time, I will enjoy it and hope Bandai turns it around and prove you wrong
@@SevensDran theres nothing wrong with enjoying saga, I hope you do keep playing what you like! 👍🏻🙌🏻 and these are my own opinions and perspectives as someone who plays and works in the gaming industry, im just glad other youtubers share my observations. But you are wrong about masters. Masters would easily exist even if saga never existed. DB is one of the world’s largest IPs and generates enormous revenus from manga, anime, movies, action figures, other cards and games, clothes, posters, you name it-- saga will never achieve a fraction of that. And I understand, its tough when you enjoy a game and want it to succeed. Just like you, i’ll keep playing the ones I like even if they arent popular. Cheers!
@@tcgmetaslayer4202 I didn't say Saga. I mean actual JP Battle Spirits. Which has been going on for 15 years. DBS exists as the new reigning DB card game under bandai, and Bandais card games started with battle spirits. Digimon, Union arena, DBS, one piece, they all owe themselves to battle spirits
Also what's up with saying "tolkienest" does Kohdok not realize that fantasy genre existed before Tolkien?
not really
@@elitemagikarp4822 Are you saying he didn't know or are you saying fantasy didn't exist before tolkien?
Slight correction: Digimon has 6 primary colors (and a 7th for the uncategorized). Also, with the exception of the 1 set where they experimented with adding more foils and the reprint set, Digimon always has 2 rares. They continued that past the first 2 sets (the ones that were the first 3 Japanese sets combined).
When he described the digimon tcg booster... So what you're saying is the closer the tcg/ccg gets to an ecg/xcg the better.
I feel they needed a show to go along with it.
Funny thing is that the original Battle Spirits *did* have a show, and a pretty good one at that. You can find it with English subs right here on TH-cam.
Depends on tone. If it were something like yugioh 7s it would be where it is now. But if its tone was more like yugioh 5Ds, then it couldve worked.
@@jonathan-6958they already did that, Battle Spirits Gallet's Revolution then Battle Spirits Mirage.
5D's can't even compare when it comes to tone and themes the story is lit.
It's the final 2 entries in Otherworld Records Saga.
A lot of bad information, incorrect points, or otherwise missed what Bandai was going for, but doesn't change the fact the game has experienced a rough first year. Set 3 is starting to make some stores money with singles and with Set 4 Bandai gave stores the chance to change their pre orders, so the product overprinting is finally over. But hey more people talking about the game is always welcomed to get the name out.
Jesus christ, I thought I was the only one who thought the text boxes for Saga looked absolutely horrible!!
I wanted to give the game a chance since it was probably the cheapest way I could get Siegwurm, a character I've grown attached to by watching the anime by seeing how cool the character was since buying from the first run of Battle Spirits cards would have been way too pricey. I knew that it wasn't going to go well once it was announced last year, but it's sad to know that Bandai treated a well-respected game from its native country so dirtily when rebooting it worldwide, especially since I was genuinely looking forward to finally learning how to play the game years after it was deemed irrelevant.
Speaking of the anime, although I want to nitpick that the Battle Spirits anime you referred to at the start was actually its second series I can't blame you for using it as the "main season" since the very first season didn't even bother explaining the game's rules or show how a full game plays out until a couple of episodes in the season.
Wait i know you dont like vanguard but you said me no like to buddyfight which you seemed to be super into before darkness dragon world came out
So far I'm enjoying it at the local casual level. My main concern is that booster boxes are too cheap, yeah I like the price but it doesn't help the game long term. As for the card design/text box, it bothered me a lot in the beginning but now I don't even notice it and have no problem playing the game. My main issues with the game is that I don't like the overall style, I'd prefer different artwork but that can change in time. The reskins for Gundam, I'm on the fence about because I don't mind them being reskins BUT! I do sell on tcgplayer so if they were unique then it would drive the price up of the cards and boxes.
I HEAR WIXOSS MUSIC LET'S GO
Speaking of Wixoss, I wonder what Kohdok thinks about the Servant # being a 4-off must have in every deck.
Sharp is pretty cheap and has tons of alt-arts, but still are a 4-off.
I think the main thing with Bandai games right now is that they do not emphasize locals and smaller communities. Like with battle spirits, they have these big competitive tournaments but barely any stores do locals for them because the cards don’t sell. I hope one day Bandai realizes that locals are what makes most players buy cards consistently. Why do I buy Pokémon and yugioh cards when they online clients? Because my lgs has locals every week and I like getting new cards to use/trade in the events. And no, promos themselves do not count as advertising locals.Bandai has got to work with lgs’ better in order to grow their games and give each game an equal amount of attention
And....one important thing...THERE'S TO MANY GAMES. No one cares bandi. We got Flesh and blood now. Digimon is dead in the west. Kids want digital games and teens want booby anime women. Old people like us have TOO many tcgs, TTRPGs, and CCGs. The market is full. Only the porn games are left unless you make something weird like Simcity TCG or fueries the card game.
Meta Zoo is getting a backrooms set. You can't beat that Bandi. Fix your dot hack games first.
Love the Crypt keeper reference. I had forgotten this game even came out this year. Nothing about it seemed interesting during the ad campaign and then i just never heard about it after it released.
It honestly feels like it's going the way of d spirits.
From what I’ve heard of the tie ins in Japan, they even did stuff with kamen rider. Including hibiki, saber, ooo, and more
They never even did a release for Trickster in BSS... Note to self: If I get my own game into production, have cute anime girls in it.
Oddly enough I thought the cash prizes for tournaments would be a major selling point, since a friend of mine keeps telling me how he stopped going most regional and world tournaments for Yugioh since he can't even break even if he wins the whole thing... Just gets product he already has and a rare card which is extremely hard to offload.
I'll be honest, seeing what happened to BSS has kinda sent me into all the stages of grief, and I finally accept it's probably dead as a doornail. Either that or I'm still partially stuck in the depression state. But lesson learned, don't do what BSS did, including updating the card frame for the west, yet make the text far harder to read.
Well play Bandai 🤡
I really liked this video (despite being a BSS enjoyer). Seems the bag was fumbled by corporate decisions. I love playing the game and the cards speak to my lizard brain so I'm going to keep playing until it either gets cancelled or my locals die (at least that part I know won't happen). The thing's they are doing in set 4 should have been done in set 1 and things might be different. Regardless I hope the game finds traction again as it really is a blast to play.
Please make a video of your thoughts on Star Wars unlimited right now.
Yes do it 😂
Critikal is an avid YuGiOH Player tbf, but you need to be in the right circles to find those videos.
Bandai certainly fumbled with this game in the early going, but not everything in this video is a fair representation. I think a collab with your channel would have been a better choice.
I’d be into BSS if it didn’t stretch my budget from One Piece cards which is taken from my budget for Digimon cards
Yeesh, I thought the Gundam Collab is going to bounce back BSS but they fumbled it so hard as they're just a reskin. I hope that the Evangelion Collab will turn things around. Although given that Gundam Collab already burnt people, why engage in a second burn?
I agree most parts of what you mentioned, though wanna add on that Core papers still irk me. I don't see that this game will last that long, given that Discord channel that I'm in having discourse about LGSes dropping the game because of the low turnouts of the set 1.
I expect Bandai to close this game out to save back cost. I'm gonna warm up my seat and sit down to see it's sunset.
I was all for it, but one thing i noticed was the cards were just hard to find. You couldnt walk into a Wal-Mart and find sets when one pice and digimon were plentiful.
I honestly dont know why youtube stopped recommending me your videos because they are so well done. I love learning about dead card game and what went wrong.
Yeah I remember seeing a mail in card for the 2009 release in Shonen Jump. I got my free deck but saw nothing else for it later
Gameplay-wise BSS is atm actually the best Bandai card game in the west. But its hard to attract players without any IP, but thats what the cash prizes were for, right?
Well, the biggest problem why BSS failed (at least in europe) is the same problem why all Bandai games loss a lot of players in europe over time (yes One Piece, this will happen to you too, but probably way slower due to the big IP): Bandai sometimes straight up refuses to ackowledge the existence of their europa player base - same (or even worse) for OCE and LATAM. Unless you basically get free money you get no incentive to play the game. In the west it is always only about the US. This is not only visible by the devs only ever being present at US events, but also by their choices of judges. Each Bandai game has a so called "Level 0" Judge, which is basically the highest judge and the guidance person for the judge program. Every single Level 0 judge is from the US. By acting like this it gets harder over time to find judges for the games. For BSS the TOs basically already gave to beg people to judge, since Bandai gives you 0 recognition for helping them to even be able to host tournaments.
And another thing you do not want to forget...Having the probably worst way to stream your biggest event so far: The Pro tour. It was streamed by Wossy, who is known to be a joke in the Bandai community due to spreading missinformation or wrong rulings on multiple occasions and posting videos with information that was announced over a month ago (f.ex. his video about the "new" banlist for BSS which he posted over a month after its announcement). Oh, and the link to the stream wasnt announced until almost the end of Day1...
I would literally love the Kamen Rider Battle Spirits stuff it looks so great, especially compared to the BSS cards
What archetypes are there?
@@marxxplaysgames not sure about actual deck archetypes, but basically every rider has gotten at least one card over the years, if not multiple.
They hd six or so anime they could casually localize as either subs or dubs, and cash tournaments was the strategy?
Card games were bought because they were attached to tv series. And with so much of a back catalog, this should have coasted as a casual franchise akin to Duel Masters, its original rival.
I mean, there was Rush Duel and Shadowverse on the Switch. Online/video game version probably would have exploded.
I mean... FWIW, there being literally NOTHING to go off on on Tilestone is COMPLETELY congruous with the character. Being a member of Galley-La in Water 7 is about as far as his character is developed.
Well, if there's a silver lining to BSS shitting the bed so hard, maybe this'll push up the timeline for taking Re:birth for You global? Bandai has all those sweet, sweet licenses that they aren't gonna let into Weiss Schwarz, might as well give us Kirkland brand Weiss Schwarz.
Isn't that what Union Arena is, or is that different game entirely?
I don't care about the game, I like the card artwork tho, so I'm happy that I can buy them for cheap lol
It still baffles me how Avril Lavigne, of all people, would also get swept into all this. Like, Avril is the most random thing in this whole “saga”. Matpat, Moist, and especially ProZD have all made card games content before, but Avril? Why Avril?
It really tried a bit too hard to be competitive. Personally I am a casual player in loving to try out all the different play styles and not just tunneling in on the meta. The very core of the marketing for tournaments did nothing but worry me. The gameplay seemed like that kicked off straight into an already fully mature and mechanically saturated tcg instead of gradually working up into it a tad slower. Although I'm fine with it, some friends were turned off by the deep competitive "OP" cards and swingy nature of them was a bit much. This was done for that dumb competitive and tournaments focusd reason, but it ended up being alienating. For some players it would probably be like jumping into modern day yugioh. At least that seems to be what I noticed others reacting to it like. It just seems they have no idea how to bring this one over properly... they fk it up every time... I kinda hoped they would just bring it over 1 for 1, but with some special sets that introduce staples and such that you may need or want to mix with the modern sets. I liked the original card designs as well... They made it darker and more monotone with grays and such... Even just the text box area is darker for no reason... I know I didn't care for the original attempt because of the foils. They were terrible, but I seen them do solidly with their modern foils. Wish they kept to them...
Our locals also got unlucky with players that show up only for big events and then every other local being just 3-5 people at BEST... Alt art gundams was dumb... The moment we realized they were just different art for basic cards.... Lost that interest too. They have nearly just disappointed over and over...
Should have just made a good casuals friendly game that isn't too simple or too complex and introduce different IP's as full sets instead of the half assing alt arts that make you wonder and beg for it not to be the full extent we will be getting different IP's...
Yeah. Some cards are only playable in casual format but bandai just tried too hard toward the competitive side.
The tcg communities in my area jumping ship from Yugioh and Magic jumped to....
Shadowverse and One Piece.
There's not even a Battle Spirits poster on the walls of any locals in this country.
They are FFFFF FUCKED.
Meta Zoo
Flesh & Blood
Bakugon G2
Sorcery
Yugioh Ruah
Shadowverse Evolved
Gem Blasters
Chaotic G2
Force if Will
Wix Cross
Lorcona
VIllanous
No space for this game.
@@TempoLOOKING No interest in this game
I has never familiar with the original game, and was really excited for BSS when i heard about it. I think the mechanics are really interesting. I moved states the week it was released it it died locally before i had a chance to visit a lgs in my new city =/
To this day I have played 2 games with the demo deck to learn, and 3 games with the starter decks to try teaching people
13:30 Hey, give Raid SOME credit: at least everyone knew from the get-go that they were shilling youtubers, people just tolerated the ads because they paid their creators better than youtube themselves ever did (a fact that apparently was lost on Raid's own Marketing department, but still). I only heard of this card game today, and I _follow_ some of those youtubers!
the gundam cards are just skins of saga cards in the set, with art of japan original cards that are flavorful to products they come from. the gundam exia is literally a face card for the japanese starter deck.
Bandai America hasn't held any rights to Power Rangers for several years now. It was a licensed brand, and the rights holder sold it outright to Hasbro.
I'm mixed on doing crossover sets. Yes, it brings more eyes to the game, but that doesn't necessarily translate into players. It's also kind of an admission that your own lore isn't enough to carry the brand. I know there are TCGs that are built on the concept, but for pre-existing games? It kind of comes across as desperate. The crossover push was literally Bushiroad's last attempt to save Buddyfight.
Man, I've been a fan of Battle Spirits for years. Never got to play the old english version. And I was super excited when BSS was announced. And I hate that Kodok is right about this game, cuz I had had a lot of hopes. If set 4 having Eva cards included, and the guaranteed Eva dedicated set later next year, dont manage to bring back proper interest, the game is dead.
Truth be told, I been disliking the concept of crossovers as of late. I want to see world and characters from one franchise, not some other franchises. Even if I really REALLY like those other franchises.
Small part of a reason why I went away from MtG.
This promo was like when MTG used Patton Oswald like.... wow..
Just got into saga and im praying battle spitits picks up in the US
Funnily enough Digimon was what killed BS (the japanese one) at my locals, and then One Piece came in and did the same to Digimon
I followed the pack on this one. I would have bought in if others did first. If Chaotic or Duel Masters/Kaijudo comes back, I'm all in.
Chaotic desperately needs a reboot.
Where did Critical Penguin do the Battle Spirit video? For some reason I can't find it anywhere. Did he take it down?
Complete Pizza Tier list, or something
@@Kohdokso a sponsor segment in a much bigger video that everyone who watched it probably skipped. Just goes to show how much of a failure this game was.
Bandai in UK are weird, recently theve been on their own getting Gunpla Kits into UK stores yet they put out some Kamen Rider ones too despite the fact.They is no Legal way to watch that series in UK or buy any Video games on it even though the most recent one has english in it but only sold in Asia and thats including the PC steam version.
My distributor hasforced me into ordering 16 boxes of set 3...and an undetermined number of set 4
Better get your money back.
They just came out with a statement that the next couple of events won’t have cash prizing. They will have travel and hotel vouchers.
All six colors are available now with starter decks for each one and a 4th set supposed to be launching in February with a collab with Evangelion.
The did a ... meh one with Gundam in set 2.
Wow that short promo you made at the end was actually gas and made me super interested
As a current player, I and others think that this new upcoming Eva collab set will be the true indicator of whether or not this game will be able to keep going. I think it would be interesting if you examined the landscape of the game after release of this set to see how things are. I know I would be curious to see the results of this latest set. If a full Eva set won't draw in more players, then I'm not quite sure what will at this point. And yes, Absolute Ice Shield was poorly designed lolz.
stores aren't even ordering EVA sets,most of them are dropping the game. The problem is that the only people that know about Battle Spirits collaboration with Evangelion are only Battle Spirits players. Evanegelion fans don't know anything about this because the game hasn't been marketed at all.
Might be seeing a Tales from the Bargin Bin for Metazoo in the next couple months.
One Piece IP is way too strong
IP tcgs in general are more popular now then orginial stuff and low key it’s kinda destroying the tcg market you couldn’t release mtg yugioh today they wouldn’to be as popular or make it
Kohdok: You can't brute force the next big thing.
MBA: Doubt.
Mechanically the game looks neat but it's got no flash to it. There's no hook to the world building (not that they ever tried) and everything I can glean from the art and names just look like every other Japanese tcg.
No flash? We literally have the Flash step, sir.
What is a Flash Window? A Mooserable little pile of secrets!
I would love to play this game, but was crushed when they weren't printing the Sengoku Set
It also kinda came out around the same time one piece did
I get licensing issues when it comes to other properties but Bandai should have at least appealed to anime fans by using their own anime to promote Battle Spirits like they did with Vanguard it was the anime that got me into the latter since the anime unlike Yugi Oh follows the rule of the game.
My reaction to BSS's flop in a nutshell;
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I love the skit at beginning.
Also about the only having a portion of the playability with the first re release of battle saga didn't flesh and blood do the same thing with bright lights by only having one hero class
I don't think it failed yet though.
ngl I was super into set 2 when I saw they were bringing over the gundam cards until I saw they were just parallel arts of other cards and then lost all interest. If they banked on crossover properties I'm sure it would have caught on way faster
I wonder what marketing agency did they use to do the launch? I feel like this wasn’t done inhouse.
Game Grumps did a crossover!? Wow! I'm throwing my cards away.
Wow this makes Force of Will look good.
I wish gundaminfo actually did a good job of letting people watch the old series. They just stream the same few gundam series on arbitrary time limits over and over again. It wouldn't kill them to throw in some wild cards every once in a while.
The middle part feels like someone is mad they weren't chosen instead of people with tens of millions of followers
I don't think he would be so mad if they just gave it to TCC or something, as long as creators they were targeting were actual card game focused.
Tbf looking at the bandai's choice of influencers...It wouldn't be a surprise if BSS content creators want to black mouth bandai.
Omg Kohdok said the game that shall not be spoken 👀
So Moistcritikal plays and collects card games mostly yugioh and pokemon but has dabbled in magic too. It's just not his main thing at all.
Speaking of Getting people who had no interest on the game to Sponsor the game . Remember that episode in the Anime Gunpla Build Fighters ? 1 Word Kirara
9:35 propagandemic
Can you do the bakugan tcg for next years video? (I’m totally not saying this because I invested hundreds of dollars into a game I ended up never playing or anything)
Honestly, I kind of got the vibe that spin masters didn't really care about the card game. It was constantly lagging behind the show and toys, and because of how deeply entwined seasonal gimmicks that was really noticable.
I also followed a couple Bakugan content creators and they never talked about the cards either (and none of the card game TH-camrs talked about the game), so maybe the lack of enthusiasm was on both sides
literally didnt know this had anime tieins until watching your videos i only knew this as the game with prozd promos
"So what's the game like?" "It's like making a ton of money!"
Woah, getting flashbacks to discussions about NFT games for some reason...
On the design getting worse point. All the art is zoomed in ? Why ? The old cards are much better in that way to