How Good is Chatfish Mini?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2024
- Chatfish Mini somehow managed to defeat my bot, Lemonfish, so I figured I should figure out just how good it is.
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Chatfish is like a GM who got dementia and forgot basic chess principles but still plays very well
Chatfish is stockfish with dementia. They are both fish
Chatfish mini is very good even if he only has 5 thoughts at a time
🤖🐟💗 for the win
As someone who also only has 5 thoughts at a time, this is inspirational
what if you just take all the rules ever put in any chatfish variant and gave them random weights
and you made 1024 of these and had them fight
and then the 512 winners continue existing and the 512 losers disappear, getting replaced by near-copies of the 512 winners
and repeat until the best chatfish variant is found
a sample size of 1 game pair per player would be nowhere near enough to overcome the randomness unless the random component was small, but then you'd need a lot of iterations to get significant change (a sample size of 1 game per player would be even worse, and biased)
@@mathmagician8191 i said repeat
Darwin fish
@@mathmagician8191in the development of real chess engines they do like millions of almost instaneous games to find the optimal weights for each parameter.
I think what Green Lemon could do is some sort of evolution algorithm where you start with random weights (constrained to generally reasonable ranges) and then have them play a tournament and replace the worst ones with children of the best ones and after a ton of generations it'll be much better
also BTW chess engines are deterministic but yeah for small changes in elo it takes 100s of matches to tell who's better. But if the elo gap is 400, best of 3 is sufficient.
So actually more variation in parameters allows for more variation in rating which means fewer matches are required
Stockfisch been pretty quite since chatfishmini dropped
Mozart has also been pretty quiet since chatfish mini dropped
@@brownpotato9405mozart just dropped
Einstein been pretty quiet too
I don't think stockfish talks much anyway?
@@joachimsrensen7666r/wooooosh
YOU should play against chatfish mini (and the other chatfishes)
It's amazing to see a joke engine which lost to Martin manage to improve to a point where it beats intermediate bots
In my experience, simple engines like chatfish tend to do very well at tactics, as tree searches are very good at finding them. opening principles are a bit harder to implement, as they involve a lot more moves to become relevent.
I'd love to see chatfish vs stockfish at the same depth. I imagine stockfish would be much stronger but it'd be interesting to see.
We need a Round Robin with sets of 3 tournament between Chatfish 1&2, Chatfish Mini and Lemonfish!
4 player chess
Chatfish Mini absolutely BRUTALIZED Sven compared to Chatfish 2 lmao
How good is chatfish?
Will it do En Passant whenever it has a chance?
No => it's terrible
Yes => it's absolutely brilliant
what happened to chatfish mini?
I only watched the first half of the chatfish mini vs lemon fish stream, and there it looked like chatfish mini was terrible.
Was there a bug in the code? Or what am I missing?
yeah it suddely gained 1000 elo in the middle of the video
it just wasn't that bad
You should make bots with very different playstyles and make them play each other, one, for example, plays very aggressively and the other defensively, it would be very interesting
Someone did make a whole lot of algorithms but I don't remember the video title
I feel like chatfish is kinda built in such a way that it is able to beat ccom bots relatively easily, as those tend to just throw away material randomly, and the only thing chatfish really does well is grab free material, it doesn't really understand positional chess or king safety or the concept of an attack well. Curious how it would do against humans, I imagine a 1300 would be able to smash it.
?? If chatfish mini is 1800 im a GM like no way that just happened 😮
Lol
I wanna play this bot so bad
Is there any way to play against any of the chatfishes? I see you using a program to put chatfish and lemon fish or the bots against each other, is that program available or private?
why did we regress? why is there no anti-repeat rule for chatfish mini or lemonfish? why is that not just part of the default, the standard, now?
i want to see you play chatfish or maybe link chatfish so your viewers can play the fish
i wuld love to play against it
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The pins are insane 💀💀
5:39 "engine doesn't like it" you're forgetting: that engine is inferior to this one
True
do print some UCI strings, it will make your life easier!
you could see the engines thought process and make the match automatic in GUIs
tbf for the reference Arena (one of the gui) regards engines as 2000 if not specified. computers are strong
Can you make it possible for us to play chatfish?
Now do the following:
Chatfish Deluxe
Chatfish Mini Deluxe
Chatfish Pro
Chatfish Deluxe Pro
Chatfish Mini Pro
Chatfish Mini Pro Deluxe
Chatfish vs chat
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This bot would beat me, oh god
Why in Chess vs checkers there is only the american version of the checkers, you could also add the brazilian version
I love you my sigma
If you make a serious chess bot it should be called Dashi since dashi is a Japanese fish stock
i wonder how much better it is from a bot that moves randomly but just counts pieces?
Chatfish > stockfish
me > chatfish 💀
@@BlastedMeteor44 stockfish > me
The circle is complite
Chatfish vs chatgpt
What depth does it calculate to?
Oh it's 5
* How bad is chatfish mini but hey we did our best Lemon
Better than me probably
now make Chatfish Lite
Try to play this bot against actual people now!
Play against it
Our invention has beaten us
This engine has 0 depth right? These moves are surprisingly good
im fairly certain it was at depth 3 or 5, not sure but thats what i remember
depth of 1
mini has 5 depth.
4:06 bro didn’t even notice the desperado tactic 💀
Might be bad
54 minutes
21h ago
Probably pretty bad
Agree
Spoiler alert:
I was wrong
@@TiagoPrada-i4othought you were the same guy
Nope :)
I definently watched all of this video, and I think it isn't as good as normal stockfish
40 views in 6 minutes bro fell of