Adv Sikhakhane is the man. I like how robust and always simplify the debate so everyone can partake. This sophistication of issues that political analysts and academics always do takes people out of the debate. Thank you adv.
We should be asking ourselves Dr. Mtimka feels uneasy when Advocate and Phasha are speaking, and he is intolerant, to a point of disrupting them? Guys, I used to like the guy, until last time he is started to indirectly defend Ramaphosa, saying Ramaphosa is a complicated figure, and people lack appetite to try and understand complicated things. Guys, he is bought. In a world of super rich and super poor, if u defend rich, u r either stupid or bought. And this guy, is not stupid
True, it's crystal clear, sometimes when you're bought you don't even know that people with the spirit of discernment are able to detect your uneasiness when issues of high level are under srcrituny.
Fully agree with you. He does not allow one to follow the chain of thought of the speakers. I'm disgusted with the crude way in which he sought to silence Phasha in particular and the advocate.
@staciad4466 he even tried a clap at advocate, by mentioning that it's de institution which decided on de panel, indirectly saying u r here bcz we chose u
“We did defeat apartheid…we fought it to a stalemate…” to a level its true if the definition of defeat we observe through the lens of the western oppressor = to obliterate…but through lens of “ebuntwini” …when the antagonist cannot continue & you can…in the same way they don’t name the shame of “apartheid” explicit for narrative spin…words & meaning of words in English belong to their descending beneficiaries…if our victory is not published in the constitution…our posterity will remember in our blood & breathing memory…✋🏿✊🏿👊🏿💚🌍
Ladies and gentlemen the time of talking is not helping us poor people and going to bed hungry we need action what is the way forward the Wiseman say talk is cheap
Frankly speaking all the panelists is a blessing for us the poor of the poorest, they lack nothing in fact they are well off, yet they risk all they have for the sake of the downtrodden masses of our country. I mean if they were like many of us, they'll say let's eat rejoice and merry together with our families, relatives and friends, but look at the sacrifice they are making, i believe they are a Godsend as eye opener in times such as this, VUKA DARKIE.
If people cannot and did not understand Mr Jacob Maroga on the China model then we are doomed. For SA and the rest of Africa to succeed economically, the Chinese political and economic model should be followed. The Democratic hoo haa sold to us is not going to lead us to the liberation we aspire and deserve. The political funding model happening in SA is our downfall and hindrance to our liberation. China is prosperous and no longer poor, thanks to their socio-political and economic approach. SA needs leaders who are not endeared to white capital and fortunately we have few of them in parties on the left of the political spectrum. The youth just need to follow them, not blindly but critically and they shall be economically liberated
No democracy or healthy country could be built on such a flagrantly unequal colonial-apartheid type socioeconomic structure and system that is manifest in South Africa.
More informed lecture than tht of UJ,the latter was let by those with subjective ideologies,and they seemed comfortable to listen to themselves,they represent a certain class in society tht is ugly,society that wants to maintain dis constitution because their content with the status quor,they need to b called out..
Ms Phaphano…is on the pulse about the second scramble for Africa 🌍…but I’m subjective in saying that Africa is the Protagonist on the second scene 🎬 …Powers that be have not invested enough of continuity…died without formal inducting successors …
The social economic structure in SA is built with no black South African in mind. The majority of them will continue to struggle financially and remain poor.
Oyama Mabandla's view is not necessarily defending the constitution but the lawmakers who practically should've used it to presper the marginalised. I wish this debate questioned finance sector laws that continue to hinder SAns from accessing loans for business, housing and equipment especially in rural SA, the racist credit score lowered by mere credit checks, interest rates based on race, all forms of unregulated insurance & medical aid that continue to target and exploit the poor...
Understanding this is a wide enveloping dialogue on developing the prospering path for 🇿🇦’s people…why are we speaking about on advancing a white interest that struggles to contextualise it privilege framed in context of non-whites or black people…next thing is that we reconcile without an apology…🤦🏿♂️…bantu bethu I wish we could discard opulent thinking & with all our intellectual vigour resolve what constitutional rot is destroying our national through white conscious lens gaslighting…can’t talk broad prosperity without fixing prior…then work out otherwise the abundance plan dictates the time when the fix is initiated…
But as an inclusive country we must involve Whites on some topics. We cannot afford to have a pepertual whining even as we can use governance to alleviate our lot. The land must ultimately go back to the state, but there should be no rush because we know what we've done with the Land Claims and Restution programmes.
Mtika campaigned for cyril. This dialogue could have been very lit had it not been lead by a collaborator. Our guests were very informative. We need more conversations like these
Dr. Mtimka, sounds like a collaborator. These are people who knows exactly that land was stolen, people were killed, mostly there can't be trace as to what specific family lost, where and when. And to ask, what is the blockage, is both demeaning and disingenuous. Constitution is allowing people to fight legally, if dey happen to know when their land was stolen, even if dey know, u need lawyers, mostly expensive. Mtimka is a collaborator.
This is the true Leadership that SAFRICA need, especially now when the current Leadership is experiencing unexplainable quackmire. All these nonsensical madness transpired bcs of the silence of the people of good quality, honest and trustworthy, i think now is the time for all Safricans to stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW GREEDY INSATIABLE MORONS WITH NO VISION TO LEAD US ANYMORE, VUKA DARKIE.
Mtimka did not do any justice when he cut Phapano when she was throwing real values of pseudo-democracy we have. He was supposed to let her speak without interruption!
There is a lot of people who need to learn a lot of things. The learners in attendance learnt a lot. Those who have graduated from talks should forge ahead with their next step, not conclude the conversation.
Our biggest failure is financial planning. BEE was designed to achieve exactly that, redressing the imbalances of the past. We were failed by people who became the serial receipents of BEE, and they pay us - fellow South Africans a pittance and treat us with disdain.
Mtimka used a lot of time to explain himself and kept cutting people he does not agree with. I dont like his style at all. I like the Nthabi. Whats clear here is that all speakers are in agreement of the problem in one way or another but still grapple with what should be done to change the system quo.
Analysis and history lesson conference after conference no real plans and action to affect real change. We need real investors and businesses talking does not get people out of the lives they living.
What we need is a confluence of a multiplicity of inputs and solutions to permanently extract ourselves out of this quagmire of economic stagnation, inequality and exclusion, the issues you've mentioned are but only 2 of what's needed. I agree with Maroga, we must look to China, a country which, in less than 50 years, pulled 800 million of its people out of absolute poverty and into the middle class, no country on the planet has ever achieved such a feat, we must learn from the Chinese
I am waiting to listen to my hero Muzi’s Sikhakhane and the others I will discover today. Let’s go on! The debate will not be fruitful for me as already coming from the voices who are American dispensation especially if you are talking about prosperity. A subject which was rejected by the person who was supposed to be the liberator of this country. I am listening
Before Mzansians wage a war against the real enemy, it's like the victimised need to fight to liberate its brothers and sisters from the shackles of apartheid and colonial effects otherwise we shall run in circles like headless chickens. How can such a majority be empowered by such a minority. This is Africa and Europeans must be introduced to Africanism - not vis-versa.
I love this debate. Kuduuu Zukhanye!!! I’m sure you hear him on UWFM comments too, is captured 😆😆😆!!! Come on Dr Mtika, you can do better, you are still young to relearn the system in you 😱
The chair is very alert and that makes him brilliant to me. He catches a lot of waffle, yet he doesn't push his wait around. Others try even though they be panelists.
Adv Sikhakhane is the man. I like how robust and always simplify the debate so everyone can partake. This sophistication of issues that political analysts and academics always do takes people out of the debate. Thank you adv.
Phaphano Phasha and Muzi Skhakhane, You are what youth of Africa needs to mentor them to what they truly deserve.
No one is free until all of us are free.
This is the kind of staff I should be watching, real staff. Thank you NMMU, let me subscribe.
You mean stuff?
@@miss3v3lyn 😂😂yes
Everybody represented us well except ongama, we hear and agree absolutely with all of you.
Much respect and keep on.
We should be asking ourselves Dr. Mtimka feels uneasy when Advocate and Phasha are speaking, and he is intolerant, to a point of disrupting them? Guys, I used to like the guy, until last time he is started to indirectly defend Ramaphosa, saying Ramaphosa is a complicated figure, and people lack appetite to try and understand complicated things.
Guys, he is bought.
In a world of super rich and super poor, if u defend rich, u r either stupid or bought. And this guy, is not stupid
True, it's crystal clear, sometimes when you're bought you don't even know that people with the spirit of discernment are able to detect your uneasiness when issues of high level are under srcrituny.
Fully agree with you. He does not allow one to follow the chain of thought of the speakers. I'm disgusted with the crude way in which he sought to silence Phasha in particular and the advocate.
@staciad4466 he even tried a clap at advocate, by mentioning that it's de institution which decided on de panel, indirectly saying u r here bcz we chose u
True. I use to see that on X platform. He is always defensive of Ramaphosa as person I don't know why.
Establishment has swallowed this brother, and he is always waffling
NO ONE IS FREE UNTIL ALL OF US ARE FREE
Phapano Phasha took it well,bt I think it was a condescending approach by Mtinka,we need more voices like her's
Adv muzi, has served rsa so well, true champion.
Remember, academics, are the most victimized of all. The worst case, is Dat they believe dey r liberated
THE BRAIN IS CAPTURED TO SERVE THE EDUCATOR (OPPRESSOR)
The moderator must apologize to that sister who he prevented from expressing her views telling her about "academic space ".
DID HE SHUT HER DOWN MAINLY BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN OR THE FACT THAT SHE MAY NOT FIT WITHIN THE INTELLECTUAL CIRCLE OR BOTH?!
Was that not offensive by the way
Lizalisa Tyebe (grade 10 student) I'm so proud of you. You have a bright future ahead of you future leader.✊🏾 Kwamagxaki High School stand u🙌🏽
“We did defeat apartheid…we fought it to a stalemate…” to a level its true if the definition of defeat we observe through the lens of the western oppressor = to obliterate…but through lens of “ebuntwini” …when the antagonist cannot continue & you can…in the same way they don’t name the shame of “apartheid” explicit for narrative spin…words & meaning of words in English belong to their descending beneficiaries…if our victory is not published in the constitution…our posterity will remember in our blood & breathing memory…✋🏿✊🏿👊🏿💚🌍
Ladies and gentlemen the time of talking is not helping us poor people and going to bed hungry we need action what is the way forward the Wiseman say talk is cheap
Frankly speaking all the panelists is a blessing for us the poor of the poorest, they lack nothing in fact they are well off, yet they risk all they have for the sake of the downtrodden masses of our country. I mean if they were like many of us, they'll say let's eat rejoice and merry together with our families, relatives and friends, but look at the sacrifice they are making, i believe they are a Godsend as eye opener in times such as this, VUKA DARKIE.
If people cannot and did not understand Mr Jacob Maroga on the China model then we are doomed. For SA and the rest of Africa to succeed economically, the Chinese political and economic model should be followed. The Democratic hoo haa sold to us is not going to lead us to the liberation we aspire and deserve. The political funding model happening in SA is our downfall and hindrance to our liberation. China is prosperous and no longer poor, thanks to their socio-political and economic approach. SA needs leaders who are not endeared to white capital and fortunately we have few of them in parties on the left of the political spectrum. The youth just need to follow them, not blindly but critically and they shall be economically liberated
The most progressive debate with the unapologetic SC baba Sikhakhane surely we are radically getting somewhere
Yoh this Dr Mtinga doesn't stop distracting ppl
I like the speaker with the black beret. For me he is speaking fair and fearlessly.
Mtimka has taken a Mdletshana stunts of always trying to defend the work of revolutionaries. It a shame on their part and i wonder what is their aim.
The great Prof who told us that Phala Phala Farmgate is not a serious..😂
WE DONT AGREE ABOUT 'WHO IS HUMAN?' THERE ARE THOSE WE RELATE TO AS 'LESS HUMAN'
The host caught strays when SC Sikhakhane told him that Academics are the most colonized group of people.
Indeed we still have a long way to the real freedom 😢. MKP and the EFF are on a correct path to free the natives.
How will EFF achieve that when they are busy insulting bl@ck South Africans? MKP has a Zoolu agenda not a bl@ck agenda
I like Muzi sc, revolution so lution, I'm your fan✊
No democracy or healthy country could be built on such a flagrantly unequal colonial-apartheid type socioeconomic structure and system that is manifest in South Africa.
More informed lecture than tht of UJ,the latter was let by those with subjective ideologies,and they seemed comfortable to listen to themselves,they represent a certain class in society tht is ugly,society that wants to maintain dis constitution because their content with the status quor,they need to b called out..
Thank You 🙏🏿 All
Ms Phaphano…is on the pulse about the second scramble for Africa 🌍…but I’m subjective in saying that Africa is the Protagonist on the second scene 🎬 …Powers that be have not invested enough of continuity…died without formal inducting successors …
The social economic structure in SA is built with no black South African in mind. The majority of them will continue to struggle financially and remain poor.
This was too heavy for Mtika. People of like Muzi caliber could have handled it very well.
Phapano Phasha is de lady,
The host is out of order. Given his current trajectory, he ought to have taken a seat and joined the panel as the sixth member.🤷🏽
NITSCHE: UNLESS U HAVE CHAOS INSIDE YOUR STOMACH U CAN NEVER GIVE BIRTH TO A DANCING STAR!
Oyama Mabandla's view is not necessarily defending the constitution but the lawmakers who practically should've used it to presper the marginalised. I wish this debate questioned finance sector laws that continue to hinder SAns from accessing loans for business, housing and equipment especially in rural SA, the racist credit score lowered by mere credit checks, interest rates based on race, all forms of unregulated insurance & medical aid that continue to target and exploit the poor...
... blaming the lawmakers
Ongama Mtika is pushing his own agenda.
The establishment has swallowed him and he can't hide it.
WE NEED A NEW POLITICS
Referendum cannot be handled by those who are FUNDED BY THE OPPRESSORS!
Understanding this is a wide enveloping dialogue on developing the prospering path for 🇿🇦’s people…why are we speaking about on advancing a white interest that struggles to contextualise it privilege framed in context of non-whites or black people…next thing is that we reconcile without an apology…🤦🏿♂️…bantu bethu I wish we could discard opulent thinking & with all our intellectual vigour resolve what constitutional rot is destroying our national through white conscious lens gaslighting…can’t talk broad prosperity without fixing prior…then work out otherwise the abundance plan dictates the time when the fix is initiated…
This is one debate that has to find its points in a book and sent virally throughout all varsities and FETs
But as an inclusive country we must involve Whites on some topics. We cannot afford to have a pepertual whining even as we can use governance to alleviate our lot. The land must ultimately go back to the state, but there should be no rush because we know what we've done with the Land Claims and Restution programmes.
Mtika campaigned for cyril. This dialogue could have been very lit had it not been lead by a collaborator. Our guests were very informative. We need more conversations like these
I stopped listening to his nonsensical analysis on TV and he is driving a certain narrative
I love you Phapano 🥰🥰🥰❣️🌹🙏🤞🤯 and Sisonke.
Dr. Mtimka, sounds like a collaborator. These are people who knows exactly that land was stolen, people were killed, mostly there can't be trace as to what specific family lost, where and when. And to ask, what is the blockage, is both demeaning and disingenuous. Constitution is allowing people to fight legally, if dey happen to know when their land was stolen, even if dey know, u need lawyers, mostly expensive.
Mtimka is a collaborator.
This is the true Leadership that SAFRICA need, especially now when the current Leadership is experiencing unexplainable quackmire. All these nonsensical madness transpired bcs of the silence of the people of good quality, honest and trustworthy, i think now is the time for all Safricans to stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW GREEDY INSATIABLE MORONS WITH NO VISION TO LEAD US ANYMORE, VUKA DARKIE.
Indeed he is the collaborator
Mtimka did not do any justice when he cut Phapano when she was throwing real values of pseudo-democracy we have. He was supposed to let her speak without interruption!
He is a very impatient listener
Mtimka ask leading questions he interject to push his narrative he suppress some speakers, 🤮
Too much talking, to little action. Has anyone of these a record of concept to completion? For anything?
There is a lot of people who need to learn a lot of things. The learners in attendance learnt a lot. Those who have graduated from talks should forge ahead with their next step, not conclude the conversation.
Interesting facts
Our biggest failure is financial planning. BEE was designed to achieve exactly that, redressing the imbalances of the past. We were failed by people who became the serial receipents of BEE, and they pay us - fellow South Africans a pittance and treat us with disdain.
Mtimka used a lot of time to explain himself and kept cutting people he does not agree with. I dont like his style at all.
I like the Nthabi. Whats clear here is that all speakers are in agreement of the problem in one way or another but still grapple with what should be done to change the system quo.
Analysis and history lesson conference after conference no real plans and action to affect real change. We need real investors and businesses talking does not get people out of the lives they living.
What we need is a confluence of a multiplicity of inputs and solutions to permanently extract ourselves out of this quagmire of economic stagnation, inequality and exclusion, the issues you've mentioned are but only 2 of what's needed. I agree with Maroga, we must look to China, a country which, in less than 50 years, pulled 800 million of its people out of absolute poverty and into the middle class, no country on the planet has ever achieved such a feat, we must learn from the Chinese
I am waiting to listen to my hero Muzi’s Sikhakhane and the others I will discover today. Let’s go on! The debate will not be fruitful for me as already coming from the voices who are American dispensation especially if you are talking about prosperity. A subject which was rejected by the person who was supposed to be the liberator of this country. I am listening
Me too here.
Baba uSkhakhane uyi Bozza. 🤞🐐🙏❤️
“Power”…for now has been assumed by the markets temporarily…
PHAPANO PHASA AND SC. ADVOCATE SIKHAKANE,please do stop,we need you..
Before Mzansians wage a war against the real enemy, it's like the victimised need to fight to liberate its brothers and sisters from the shackles of apartheid and colonial effects otherwise we shall run in circles like headless chickens. How can such a majority be empowered by such a minority. This is Africa and Europeans must be introduced to Africanism - not vis-versa.
“…we are in academic space…”😔…session Moderator is zero summing🤦🏿♂️ the engagement.
The facilitator is a stumbling block to an otherwise fruitful inputs by panelists
True, he interjected speakers a lot with unnecessary questions.
@thommasilo9145 He wanted to maintain certain narrative otherwise the management would not feel comfortable and receive backlash from sponsors..😂
listen is a skill not taught in any school hope the host learn that
❤
I love this debate. Kuduuu Zukhanye!!! I’m sure you hear him on UWFM comments too, is captured 😆😆😆!!! Come on Dr Mtika, you can do better, you are still young to relearn the system in you 😱
That one has changed
How do I join the group and learn more them as a pensioner in Gauteng
The chair is very alert and that makes him brilliant to me. He catches a lot of waffle, yet he doesn't push his wait around. Others try even though they be panelists.
I thought once you wear a beret you're a intellectually inclined but this one and Mtimka are a disappointment
Who is the man with a beret?
A fool
IS THAT ADVOCATE USING A HANDBAG
Ongama, uyi Sellout kwedini.😮 Ra
Dismissing the constitution is inviting chaos!
Amending it not dismissing it
Rubbish……
This debates what are they suppose to change???? European and racist white attitudes or what. Economic or black emancipation or what
Now you are supperior mafia crominals cobra snakes