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My sporting shotgun is an A400 Accel but I recently purchased a 12 gauge and A .410 Armsan for use in the field and in the 12 gauge as a loaner for the youth trap team I coach. The Armsans seem to offer incredible value and good adjustability not to mention performance for the cost.
There you go with the snob thing a great gun for sporting clays nothing else needed what's with this buitifull gun stuff no one cares in the states I so glad I moved
Nothing whatsoever wrong with Armsan shotguns. They're marketed and sold under the TriStar brand here in the United States, and very highly regarded. I'm not a big fan of Beretta's automatic inertia shotguns. Why pay more and punish your body with all that extra recoil?
What are you talking about? The only inertia shotguns Beretta has ever made that I'm aware of are the pintails. All the others are gas. I challenge you to find a softer shooting 12 gauge. I have the new a300 Ultima in 12 gauge, and the recoil is virtually non-existent.
I agree, but the prices for an 1100 have gone through the roof. I think I paid $400 for my used one back in the early 90s. One of the best investments I've ever made, practically stole it for that price. Remington may soon start building all their shotguns in Alabama in Cuomo doesn't shut his big mouth. May help the price some.
I think that was true for a long time, but its not today. My Super Black Eagle 3 Waterfowl is far superior, as is my SX4 competition. Even my Stoeger m3500 is honestly as good as my 1100 ever was, which is why I sold it. My buddy’s A5 is also a far better shotgun.
Fingers in the action , is that the new British shooting ettiquette ? " I say old chap , look my chambers empty , I can put my fingers in it and other parts of my anatomy too !" " Good show that man, semi auto eh ? now what does this button thingamee on the side do ?" Kerchunk ! " Good grief old boy getting a bloodied finger tip out of an action is awful sticky work mmn what ? " " Oh , I see that's not your finger tip ! - don't suppose the memsahib will be too happy ." " Come along Stumpy there's a good chap , time for tiffin ."
I used to shoot both ranges in the semi and the higher have their edge in the long run very much little to no jamming compared to the cheap semi where after about 250 shots and the dirt start bilding up jam a lot and u need to keep cleaning it after every time you shoot
I agree iv had the al391 A300 and A400 every 1 if them had problems I now have a Browning maxus which has never given me trouble it was cheaper 2 buy came with more chokes accessories and a better warranty I won't be going back 2 beretta
I shoot a benelli Vinci ,balanced, light ( kicks because of it) , but if I was going to a high end gas gun I'd get the A400 lite, with the 3 inch chamber not one of these 3.5" monsters
I agree, I have shot 10’s of thousands of rounds though the 3 390’s I’ve owned. I foolishly sold my 390 trap because I moved to an area where there was no active clubs, sold the 390 Sporting when I went through my divorce and still have the 390 field that has been used heavily for everything that flies or runs through Iowa. The A400 is garbage by comparison. And yes I own a A400 Extrema sporting. Hate the gun and will be getting rid of it soon.
Nice vid guys. John, I cringe when I see your fingers in the ejection port. I got my thumb caught in the port of my Rem 11 when I was a young fella. And it bloody hurt. Accidently bumped the release button. Be careful mate. Very unbiased reprting. Thanks.
Thank you guys. My personal choice for a semi is a Benelli M2 Comfortech, though I did also pick up an old Hatsan that is still doing the job after several years. QUESTION: how do I get Duracoat off a shotgun? I have a Eingmaster that was painted by a previous owner and I want to get it back to a blued finish.
th-cam.com/video/ytlECExlE-k/w-d-xo.html I haven’t seen an Armsan semiauto. Without trying it I am not the right person to comment as to which is better.
Thank you for sharing this with us. I appreciated you as always. In your own experience and openion which is better? If I using them for upland hunting, like chukar, coils, patridges, rabbit and sand grouse etc. Your prompt response may be helpful for me for my next Sami auto shotgun. Thanks in adv Jong.
Rodney Zurek yeah should’ve made that bit clearer, generally a review of pump and semi auto shotguns that hold more than 3 shells and wouldn’t fail if you walked beside a combine harvester shooting rabbits,
Nice video guys... lets see a Benelli M2 vs a cheapo,,, we all know they are the most robust Semis out there but how do they compare in shoot ability ??
Time is what decides if a product is a good and worthy its money one. After 1,000 shots, who believes that the Armsan will still be as good as the Beretta one?
@@browningmaxus5360 i have the a612, i have shot over 4000 rounds, in the extremly Bad wheather here in the Southwest of México (wet, rain ando heat) the shotgun still works good... Lets see what happens in the next 3000 rounds
I think its all subjective. If you have an armsan you will probably think its great and mention the cheap price . If you have an A400 you will think its great and mntion the quality . Horses for courses me thinks !Many people swear by the Dacia Buster and mention how its great value for money . the CRV owner on the other hand will mention the refinement or quality !. Nuff sais . Buy what " floats your boat "
I think this will be the first time I've used my computer and not my cell to leave a comment. For everyone's sake, I hope I don't make a doctoral thesis of this or even a master's. I'm jaded towards the Beretta. I have one. A left hand one. When I made up my mind to get my first left hand semiauto shotgun, there were several choices for new: Beretta A400 xplor action, Benelli M2, Benelli SBE2, Franchi Affinity, (Remington Versamax wasn't on the market in LH), and a couple of Turkish imports. Immediately, the Turkish guns were out as they all looked cheap, and the wood style was just ehhh. The SBE2 was out as it was too much money in my book and even the M2 while being about the same price as the A400, I just didn't like the inertia drive. It was down to the A400 and the Affinity. Affinity was about $500 cheaper. But I took the words of my best friend Eric to heart. "Don't have any regrets." I'd shot his A400s and loved them. I bought the A400. I've put maybe 12K rounds through it and I can only remember maybe to failures to eject and one failure to fire (in very cold weather and dirty gun). In my opinion shoot everything you can get your hands on first, then make your selection. Listen to your heart, but heed your sensibilities and your pocketbook. I knew I was going to be putting 10s of thousands of rounds through the gun I bought, so I wanted something that was going to last. I would love to see someone do a durability test on the two. But 20K shells, even over here is about $3200 before tax. Of the guns I seriously considered, the A400 had the worse warrantee at 2+1 years, Benelli 7 or 10 years (can't remember), and the Franchi (7 years). A few comments on the video finally ;) The wood on the A400 is very expensive $485 to replace the stock without the kickoff as I recall. I agree the laser enhanced is being cheap. For a knock around gun or a starter the armsan seems like it would be a great value for money. My go to for that is a Remington 1187 SP. It's an all steel beast. Oh yeah, I seem to remember someone making fun of the ear plug guy for being left handed (in another video). What's up with that Johnny? ;). Just kidding mate. Thank you John, David, Sasha, and TGS for this video and all the very entertaining and informative content. Doctoral thesis over.
Dave and I discussed doing a 10k test with each. No cleaning, just shoot for 10k straight with each. Count jams, reliability, and assess the damage at the end of the test. But 20k shells would be £4000 and clays to point them at would be £7000. A nice idea but an idea it will remain. A left handed shooter is still a shooter! I apologise for marginalising your people.
Great honesty. He calls them like he see's them. Thank you.
Your fingers in the chamber like that makes me nervous as hell 😂😂
My sporting shotgun is an A400 Accel but I recently purchased a 12 gauge and A .410 Armsan for use in the field and in the 12 gauge as a loaner for the youth trap team I coach. The Armsans seem to offer incredible value and good adjustability not to mention performance for the cost.
The cheaper gun is better because I don't want to spend 2500 id rather spend 300 I love turkey guns
There you go with the snob thing a great gun for sporting clays nothing else needed what's with this buitifull gun stuff no one cares in the states I so glad I moved
Nothing whatsoever wrong with Armsan shotguns. They're marketed and sold under the TriStar brand here in the United States, and very highly regarded. I'm not a big fan of Beretta's automatic inertia shotguns. Why pay more and punish your body with all that extra recoil?
What are you talking about? The only inertia shotguns Beretta has ever made that I'm aware of are the pintails. All the others are gas. I challenge you to find a softer shooting 12 gauge. I have the new a300 Ultima in 12 gauge, and the recoil is virtually non-existent.
Do you mean Benelli??
I think the old Remington 1100 is still one of the best handling s/ autos out there and seem to go on forever.
I agree, but the prices for an 1100 have gone through the roof. I think I paid $400 for my used one back in the early 90s. One of the best investments I've ever made, practically stole it for that price. Remington may soon start building all their shotguns in Alabama in Cuomo doesn't shut his big mouth. May help the price some.
I think that was true for a long time, but its not today. My Super Black Eagle 3 Waterfowl is far superior, as is my SX4 competition. Even my Stoeger m3500 is honestly as good as my 1100 ever was, which is why I sold it. My buddy’s A5 is also a far better shotgun.
Fingers in the action , is that the new British shooting ettiquette ?
" I say old chap , look my chambers empty , I can put my fingers in it and other parts of my anatomy too !"
" Good show that man, semi auto eh ? now what does this button thingamee on the side do ?"
Kerchunk !
" Good grief old boy getting a bloodied finger tip out of an action is awful sticky work mmn what ? "
" Oh , I see that's not your finger tip ! - don't suppose the memsahib will be too happy ."
" Come along Stumpy there's a good chap , time for tiffin ."
😂
It's racist and hilarious
It’s good that there are affordable options for those that are not rich
I used to shoot both ranges in the semi and the higher have their edge in the long run very much little to no jamming compared to the cheap semi where after about 250 shots and the dirt start bilding up jam a lot and u need to keep cleaning it after every time you shoot
I believe Beretta took a step back with the a400, I like my 391's better and best of all my 390's
I agree iv had the al391 A300 and A400 every 1 if them had problems I now have a Browning maxus which has never given me trouble it was cheaper 2 buy came with more chokes accessories and a better warranty I won't be going back 2 beretta
I shoot a benelli Vinci ,balanced, light ( kicks because of it) , but if I was going to a high end gas gun I'd get the A400 lite, with the 3 inch chamber not one of these 3.5" monsters
I agree, I have shot 10’s of thousands of rounds though the 3 390’s I’ve owned. I foolishly sold my 390 trap because I moved to an area where there was no active clubs, sold the 390 Sporting when I went through my divorce and still have the 390 field that has been used heavily for everything that flies or runs through Iowa. The A400 is garbage by comparison. And yes I own a A400 Extrema sporting. Hate the gun and will be getting rid of it soon.
Surprising result there.
Nice vid guys. John, I cringe when I see your fingers in the ejection port. I got my thumb caught in the port of my Rem 11 when I was a young fella. And it bloody hurt. Accidently bumped the release button. Be careful mate. Very unbiased reprting. Thanks.
Thank you guys.
My personal choice for a semi is a Benelli M2 Comfortech, though I did also pick up an old Hatsan that is still doing the job after several years.
QUESTION: how do I get Duracoat off a shotgun? I have a Eingmaster that was painted by a previous owner and I want to get it back to a blued finish.
th-cam.com/video/ytlECExlE-k/w-d-xo.html
I haven’t seen an Armsan semiauto. Without trying it I am not the right person to comment as to which is better.
Thank you for sharing this with us. I appreciated you as always. In your own experience and openion which is better? If I using them for upland hunting, like chukar, coils, patridges, rabbit and sand grouse etc. Your prompt response may be helpful for me for my next Sami auto shotgun. Thanks in adv Jong.
To be fair on lock time I would think you would try very light to very heavy loads out of both with semi autos.
What song is that intro ?
Would you do a video on good pump action/semi auto fac shotguns for pest control?
What about reliability?
Rodney Zurek yeah should’ve made that bit clearer, generally a review of pump and semi auto shotguns that hold more than 3 shells and wouldn’t fail if you walked beside a combine harvester shooting rabbits,
Winchester sx3, can't go wrong love myn as a work gun, not actually used all 9 shots but have used 5 on 4 squirrels 😂😂😂
Nice video guys... lets see a Benelli M2 vs a cheapo,,, we all know they are the most robust Semis out there but how do they compare in shoot ability ??
Best dig out an M2, and a cheap recoil operated semi auto.
Cool comparison guys 😍😍
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Just heavy enough just light enough!? Lol 😂
What`s this fingers in the breach?
Time is what decides if a product is a good and worthy its money one. After 1,000 shots, who believes that the Armsan will still be as good as the Beretta one?
Ioakim i have shot over 3000 rounds through my 20 bore version of the armsan (a620) and it's been fault free.
Test it in the marshes in bad weather come back 2 me then
Armsan is verry good i have shot over 5000 rounds its been fault free .. 24grs to 54 grs
@@browningmaxus5360 i have the a612, i have shot over 4000 rounds, in the extremly Bad wheather here in the Southwest of México (wet, rain ando heat) the shotgun still works good... Lets see what happens in the next 3000 rounds
Hi John, nice video buddy. What was the length of Bertta barrel?
George Laliashvili 26 inches he said
@@alexgriffin8399 thank you.
Which one is better ...beretta a300 or armsan phenoma?
Beretta for sure
I think its all subjective. If you have an armsan you will probably think its great and mention the cheap price . If you have an A400 you will think its great and mntion the quality . Horses for courses me thinks !Many people swear by the Dacia Buster and mention how its great value for money . the CRV owner on the other hand will mention the refinement or quality !. Nuff sais . Buy what " floats your boat "
I shot 41/50 with an sxp on a horrid day and id consider the sxp cheap
It is cheap! Well shot
Beretta n One
Were you using fiber wads as not to add to the pile of plastic wads
Why is it that you guys are loading three shells. 2 birds 2 shells.
Because he can.....
Que ingles es de ustedes no se les entiende
Eh? holds an auto with his pinkies in the chamber,who taught this boy ?
where does the maxus one compare to these?
I own the standard maxus it's the best semi auto shotgun iv own
Not bad for a cheapie
I think this will be the first time I've used my computer and not my cell to leave a comment. For everyone's sake, I hope I don't make a doctoral thesis of this or even a master's. I'm jaded towards the Beretta. I have one. A left hand one. When I made up my mind to get my first left hand semiauto shotgun, there were several choices for new: Beretta A400 xplor action, Benelli M2, Benelli SBE2, Franchi Affinity, (Remington Versamax wasn't on the market in LH), and a couple of Turkish imports. Immediately, the Turkish guns were out as they all looked cheap, and the wood style was just ehhh. The SBE2 was out as it was too much money in my book and even the M2 while being about the same price as the A400, I just didn't like the inertia drive. It was down to the A400 and the Affinity. Affinity was about $500 cheaper. But I took the words of my best friend Eric to heart. "Don't have any regrets." I'd shot his A400s and loved them. I bought the A400. I've put maybe 12K rounds through it and I can only remember maybe to failures to eject and one failure to fire (in very cold weather and dirty gun). In my opinion shoot everything you can get your hands on first, then make your selection. Listen to your heart, but heed your sensibilities and your pocketbook. I knew I was going to be putting 10s of thousands of rounds through the gun I bought, so I wanted something that was going to last. I would love to see someone do a durability test on the two. But 20K shells, even over here is about $3200 before tax. Of the guns I seriously considered, the A400 had the worse warrantee at 2+1 years, Benelli 7 or 10 years (can't remember), and the Franchi (7 years). A few comments on the video finally ;) The wood on the A400 is very expensive $485 to replace the stock without the kickoff as I recall. I agree the laser enhanced is being cheap. For a knock around gun or a starter the armsan seems like it would be a great value for money. My go to for that is a Remington 1187 SP. It's an all steel beast. Oh yeah, I seem to remember someone making fun of the ear plug guy for being left handed (in another video). What's up with that Johnny? ;). Just kidding mate. Thank you John, David, Sasha, and TGS for this video and all the very entertaining and informative content. Doctoral thesis over.
Dave and I discussed doing a 10k test with each. No cleaning, just shoot for 10k straight with each. Count jams, reliability, and assess the damage at the end of the test. But 20k shells would be £4000 and clays to point them at would be £7000. A nice idea but an idea it will remain.
A left handed shooter is still a shooter! I apologise for marginalising your people.
@@tgsoutdoors No worries mate. 👍
Cringeee how he's holding the beretta from the bolt side.