@@victorbicudo1374 Sure, technically you are right. Sometimes we use language in a figurative way. "Playing like pros" meant they played at a level above average for that age.
The id card says that Jannik is 2 years older but one important thing that many underestimate is that when they played that match the 15 year old Carlos had already practiced tennis for 8 years . Sinner only had started to play tennis seriously 4 years before because he had been a junior national champion of ski until the age of 13. This said, this two guys make me crazy everytime I see them playing one against the other.
That's such a myth about Sinner which isn't even true. Here he is playing at a Nike junior tournament at the age of 11! th-cam.com/video/IHl26DYXJPE/w-d-xo.html
At that age, losing to someone younger hurts. I know because, when I was 10yo , I lost to 8 yo Sammy Giammalva. Sammy went on to turn pro for a few years, so that made me feel better. In fact, he defeated Pete Sampras in Pete's professional debut, which makes me feel even better.
1988 Philadelphia (Indoor Carpet). Straight sets, no less. 6-4, 6-3. He beat none other than Mark Woodforde in the next round 2-6, 6-3, 7-6. And then Peter Lindgren with a double 6-3 (not Lundgren, Federer's former coach who also played that tournament and lost in that very round to Marty Davis by 6-7, 7-5, 7-6). He lost to Christo Van Rensburg by 6-7 2-6 in the QFs
Great footage, amazing players, even at that age. What is very interesting are the patterns that were already there and are associated with both players even today. Alcaraz losing focus and intensity a bit when he is leading comfortably (5:1 first set), even making a couple of those characteristic errors - overhitting forehands when under pressure and down the line backhand in the net cord, seen it so many times in his matches even this year. But when he is losing, he plays his best, fighting for every ball and is not afraid of being aggressive and creative in the pressure moments. Sinner’s typical treat used to be physical weakness and losing a lot of his energy in longer matches, but he made a lot of progress over the last year and he is becoming scary strong. Also mentally he sometimes have those strange dips of concentration, but it’s getting better. What surprised me was Sinner going to the net a couple of times. In his early days on the ATP tour he rarely ran forward and used to play almost exclusively from the baseline.
Thank you for this video. Seeing the younger version of these two go against one another is something else. It's amazing just how competitive and driven they are even at such a young age. I hope their rivalry delivers many more incredible matches in the future.
To think alot of junior tennis matches are notorious for their endless moonball matches... just look at these two barely out of their mid teens, Alcaraz is a double Slam Champ and already a year end number 1 and Sinner almost single handedly won this years Davis Cup, which Djokovic wanted very badly and will surely win a bunch of the big titles over the next few years. Their absolute quality was showing already all those years ago.
People does not understand that Sinner began to play seriously only at 12-13 years old, he was a ski champion until he was 11. So, of course it's amazing that a 15 years boy beats a 17 years old rival, but ti's even more astonishing that Jannik could compete with Carlos becoming a tennis player only 4 years before this match. Carlos is two years younger, but as a tennis player he is much older than Jannik. Both are very talented. Carlos may have more natural talent, but Jannik's natural talent is generally underrated.
Si pero la diferencia fisica es muy grande, aqui se nota que el pequeño Carlos tecnicamente es superior a Yanik, con 15 años ya voleaba de maravilla y buscaba angulos y vaiedad en los tiros. Yanik ya se veia que tenia mucha capacidad de hacer tiros. Carlos con la edad que aqui tenia Yanik ya habia ganado a un TOP 3 como Tsitsipas en USOPEN a 5 sets donde llego a cuartos.
@@vicbs8589 of course, but you have to understand that Jannik until 13 years old played tennis twice a week and ski was is first sport: this is simply extraordinary. At 17 years old he was tennistically younger than Carlos at 15. th-cam.com/video/-iOeMjmN1ZI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MboCH7amUcKaFHzB
@@AdyHh-up9ez this is truly silly: Sinner started his tennis career only at 13 years old and did non play in the junior tour: he is the only player who arrived fastly at number 1 in the world without playing in the junior tour. Only stupid haters of Sinner can't admit this.
@@pier70juve only stupid haters of alcaraz make excuses for sinner because alc owns him despite being younger. Alc played other sports. Roger played other sports. Nadal played football seriously. So excuses. Ur sinner isn't the only one. But u have to use it as an excuse
WOW! ALCARAZ REALLY & TRULY SHOWED HIS GREAT SKILL AT 15 YEARS OLD … WHEN HE IS BEHIND .. IT CHALLENGES HIM TO MOVE FORWARD .. WHST A GREAT CHAMPION🙏🏾💯
I believe this was intentionally recorded in low quality as this is what is done during all non major events. It’s basically a single portable camera placed on the fence for viewing on gambling sites. So it’s not a reflection of age. The same quality persists today.
The bizarre thing to consider is that Boris Becker won Queens, then WImbledon at Sinner's age here. Still, it's great to have this video record of what has become the premiere rivalry of contemporary tennis. I always alert tennis friends when there is a Sinner v Alcaraz match occuring.
@@disdiq7910lol he would not. It amazes me that people always make these ridiculous comments 😅 It is a COMPLETELY different game to what it was when Becker won in the mid 80’s. Diving around the net isn’t enough to win now. Back in the 80’s the grass courts suited serve and volleyers, that has changed to a large degree. The return game is MUCH bigger now, they’d smash those returns past him coming to the net. And no, the current field isn’t weak at all. Again, stupid comment that just parrots what others with no clue say.
@@disdiq7910 Are you stupid? You've got to be seriously delusional to think the top players of the pre-open era would hold a candle to today's players. Players like becker wouldn't even be in the conversation for winning a slam in 2023. For one, serve and volley doesn't work anymore. Cressy is maybe the only player that seriously employs that tactic and how often do you see him making it far in tournaments? Serve speed of players has gotten much faster, the speed difference in surfaces has become more pronounced, variability in racket and even shoe technology just makes the old playstyle obsolete. Even from a biological standpoint- more recent generations are taller, stronger, and faster on average than older generations. That's how selection works. In fifty years, the top tennis players will be miles ahead of today's top tennis players and the cycle of constant improvement will continue. No single generation is special, species have a natural tendency to improve- that's how we survive.
Becker doesn’t get any appreciation for his achievement at Wimbledon. He was physically stronger and more developed than Sinner or Alcaraz at 17. Big serve, great anticipation and grass court instincts. Wimbledon grass seemed faster playing back then.
Carlos Alcaraz è senza dubbio un fenomeno naturale. Tuttavia Jannik Sinner sta dimostrando miglioramenti sotto tutti gli aspetti e tutti gli appassionati ed i tennisti professionisti glielo riconoscono. In fondo la carriera di qualsiasi sportivo si sviluppa in anni di allenamento e se ancora Jannik non ha vinto molto è solo questione di tempo.
Non sarebbe l'unico caso della storia ad aver raggiunto il n.1 al mondo ed ad iniziare a vincere dopo i 22 anni. Anzi, è successo nella maggioranza dei casi. Top 10 più giovani di lui, vado a memoria, sto controllando in questi giorni, ce ne sono stati forse nemmeno 5. Pure Djokovic e Federer ci hanno impiegato a carburare. Federer addirittura sui 21 anni era dietro Hewitt e Roddick che poi sono spariti forse perchè hanno pagato un inizio ad altissimi livelli troppo violento. Ed ecco una delle ragioni del perchè Federer, Nadal e Djokovic hanno vinto tutti quegli slam. Oltre ad un livello assurdo di qualità tennistica, si sono trovati gli ostacoli tolti ( Hewitt, Roddick, Cilic, Del Potro, Murray ) per condizioni fisiche che li hanno visti sparire dai trionfi dei tornei dello Slam. Ma nella storia c'è anche la situazione dove giocatori partono a razzo ( il nostro caso più eclatante è Nargiso n.67 a 18 anni e poi sparito o Cancelotti che a 21 anni era li per entrare nei top 20 come hanno fatto i suoi pari età, o Caratti, Pistolesi etc. etc. ma stiamo parlando di top 100 e non top 10 ) giovanissimi ( Krickstein ed Arias su tutti, ma anche in minor modo Becker ed Agassi, che a 17-18 anni erano già top 10 ma poi hanno disperso il loro potenziale pur vincendo in carriera vari slam e diventare n.1 ) e poi non concludono nulla di importante ( Mario Martinez n.32 a 17 anni, boliviano che ha vinto il torneo ATP di Palermo ma che poi è rimasto li come best ranking ). Le progressione nel ranking è molto personale, ci sono delle analogie in comune per tutti o quasi tutti, ma poi può succedere di tutto. Come è normale che dopo il primo anno di esplosione, il secondo più che eslosione si tratta di scoppiare. Lievemente per chi poi si riprende come Sinner uscito dai top 10 per andare al n.17 e poi riportarsi al n.1, ma anche per altri giocatori ( ad esempio Agassi che top 10 a 18 anni poi ha raggiunto il n.1 dopo i 30 ed addirittura fino a 35 competitivo nei top 10 ), oppure letalmente per chi poi non si è più ripreso a livello di top 10 ( appunto : Arias o Krickstein come esempio ma anche lo svedese Sundstrom ).
I have a loss to Michael Russell in the boys 16 and under Sectionals qualifying round for Nationals but he was a year younger and 4 inches shorter. But he was built like a powerlifter 🏋️♂️ and put so much topspin on the ball it was hard to hold onto my racquet through🎾 contact😂. He only played 1 year at university of Florida and put up incredible stats on the ITF but injuries curtailed his ascent...his best match was the most painful loss, up 2 sets and a break he lost in 5 sets to Gustavo Kuertan at the French Open. He's been Taylor Fritz's head coach for many years now and helped many other players on tour over the years...no shame here anymore.
Every person is different, Sinner evolved more progressively and slowly, but surely, and is very consistent today. Alcaraz had a very early boom, but he's having problems in being consistent with his tennis level, some weeks he's irresistible, other weeks he plays poorly.
To look at them you'd think Alcaraz is the older, Sinner dressed like an actual child with his bright yellow shirt tucked in, and his bright red cap, haha. Either a child or a very young McDonalds employee I guess.
those 5 or so people lucky enough to watch this live had no clue what was to be, it reminds be of that guy talking too an empty room about bitcoin ten years ago
Back then, particularly when taking into account Carlos's superior skills due to his age, it suggests that Jannick has made greater progress over the years.
Sinner sino ai 13-14 anni aveva come primo sport lo sci e poi veniva il calcio. Solo a quell'età ha deciso di puntare sul tennis. Ho vista una foto di Alcaraz a 7-8 anni in un campo da tennis con la racchetta in mano. Credo che per questo motivo Sinner non avrà mai la delicatezza del polso di Alcaraz. L'età...... Sinner ha recentemente rilasciata un'intervista in cui ha detto che la sua crescita in altezza si è fermata solo nel 2023 e, finalmente, può fare dei seri allenamenti per potenziare la muscolatura (l'impressione è che Sinner abbia superato il m 1,90). Alcaraz a 18 anni aveva già un gran fisico. Credo che, nonostante l'età, Sinner abbia maggiori margini di miglioramento tennistico.
Non è vero, Jannik ha iniziato a giocare a tennis a 8 anni, quando era un baby fenomeno degli sci. Verso i 10 ha puntato sul tennis ed ha fatto agonistica (non corsi saltuari). A 14 anni aveva già abbandonato da tempo il calcio ed anche lo sci. Sia lui che Alcaraz sono fenomeni, ma per me lo spagnolo ha più margini di miglioramento. Sinner è tatticamente già perfetto, mentre Alcaraz non ha ancora la stessa capacità di leggere le partite in corso.
E non è vero quello che dici tu per cui Sinner ha deciso che il suo sport sarebbe stato il tennis a 10 anni, a meno che tu non ne sai più di Sinner stesso, perché nell'estate del 2023, durante un'intervista (se ricordo bene dopo il torneo di Toronto??) dichiarò di aver deciso di lasciare lo sci e puntare sul tennis all'età di 13-14 anni. Voglio aggiungere, a quanto avevo scritto nel mio primo commento, di aver letta (nel frattempo) un'intervista di Sinner del 2022 in cui disse che ancora stava crescendo in statura e che in quel momento era alto 1.91 m; siccome Vagnozzi, nel dicembre del 2023 ha detto che Sinner aveva conclusa la sua crescita solo da qualche mese (e quindi ora potevano puntare con decisione al suo sviluppo muscolare), dunque, è alto quantomeno 1.92 m. Per quanto riguarda i margini di miglioramento credo che certamente li abbiano entrambi, ma secondo me ne ha di più Sinner; naturalamente è una mia opinione. Sarà il futuro a rivelare chia ha ragione.
Una cosa è certa questi già qui èrano fenomeni, la differenza la farà la tenuta fisica e la testa, dove non ci sarà uno per un motivo arriverà l'altro, sé nessuno riuscirà a stare al loro passo rischiano seriamente di ripetere il periodo del duopolio Federer-Nadal pre arrivo di Djokovic, inoltre uno è fondamentale per l'altro per poter crescere e alzare l'asticella, con il tempo miglioreranno entrambi, speriamo ché la natura li preservi da infortuni, il prossimo hanno vorrei vedere 4 finali slam fra loro due.
I saw sinner at 15 or so in mexick dojng the futures he would actuslly win rounds his coach was pedro rebolledo. Sinner was young yet contained humble... Im sure he would know who i am. I was one of the real weekend warriors. Sleepinh in the car just to play. Yes no money and no supprt but i never gve up.
Sebbene in tale partita Alcaraz avesse quasi 16 anni non ancora compiuti,mi sembrava gia' strutturato fisicamente,molto vicino all'odierno Alcaraz e soprattutto che avesse un bagaglio tecnico cui i 4 anni che sono trascorsi ,da allora, hanno pochissimo aggiunto se non in termini di esperienza..In altre parole se diciamo uguale a 10 il potenziale tecnico di Alcaraz gia' allora in quella partita di 4 anni fa' lo spagnolo rivelava un bagaglio tecnico effettivo vicino a 9..in altre parole in questo intervallo di tempo e' migliorato pochissimo dal punto di vista tecnico.se poi penso che la struttura fisica di ALCARAZ di 4 anni fa' fosse molto piu'compatta di quella di Sinner visto in quella partita,,se ne deve dedurre che per SINNER strappare un set allo spagnolo,costituisse gia' un gran risultato. L'attuale Sinner in questi 4 anni ha arricchito il suo bagaglio tecnico in modo quasi decisivo e comunque assai vicino a quello che caratterizza lo standard tecnico attuale dello Spagnolo,In piu'è ancora in una fase di costruzione e potenziamento del suo fisico,per cui se non nel 2024 ma quasi sicuramente nel 2025 ,dovremmo assistere ,almeno cosi mi auguro da Italiano,al sorpasso di SINNER su ALCARAZ..
se si tiene poi conto che il quasi sedicenne Alcaraz aveva alle spalle otto anni di pratica di tennis mentre il diciasettenne Sinner ne aveva quattro e che il fisico di Sinner ha finito di crescere solo l'anno scorso e adesso può lavorarci su, ci si può aspettare che tra i due quello che ha più ampi margini di miglioramento sia Sinner.
Destined to be rivals? It's a good match, but not better then other talented junior matchups. Most interesting, Jannik bypassing most of junior tour... Both taking atp junior finals
Here you already can see Sinner's two biggest strengths: 1. He doesn't get demoralized when things don't go well. 2. He reaches many of the opponent's attacking shots, because he´s relatively light and therefore quick over an entire match.
@@ZlatniPlastDjokovic is at the end of his story, we all know about this, with Roger already out and Nadal that is spending more time at hospitals than on the court the 3 big are gone, the future is now Jannik and Carlos
@@ZlatniPlastnaaa, Nadal cannot play two consecutive matches without an injury, and Djokovic does not win a competition from 6 months.. and Medvedev after the last match lost, is horrified about meeting against Jannik
@@Jannick999 1. Nadal is avoiding real injury and he will be ready for RG. 2. Djokovic losing one sf on a gs while having temperature means nothing 3. Medvedev was also losing to Alcaraz and he destroyed him at US Open 4. You are just a Sinner blind fan
1-5 e Sinner non molla il set andando 2-5 e servizio, ma finisce 2-6 ... poi si trova 2-6 6-3 3-0 e perde 2-6 6-3 3-6 Match classico con Sinner che come in ogni match non cedeva mai un 15 a gratis nemmeno a parlarne, reagendo ad un set perso con puteggio severo, vincendo il secondo set ma già in questo primo match contro Alcaraz è saltato in aria a fine match cedendo 6 giochi di fila, come successo nei tre confronti di questo 2024, con Alcaraz che ha vinto l'incontro rimanendo più alto di livello a fine match. Il livello dei due è quindi pressochè identico, spesso la differenza la fa la miglior condizione atletica di Alcaraz, che incide anche di più rispetto alla super caparbietà, determinazione e concentrazione di Sinner che forse ha un tennis più qualitativo, meno fisico, ma che poi lo porta a finire il match in condizioni atletiche più pesanti rispetto ad Alcaraz. Cosa che ha portato a tutt'oggi Alcaraz a condurre negli scontri diretti, anche se poi in futuro le cose possono ancora cambiare, persino ribaltarsi, o il divario anche aumentare, nella differenza negli scontri diretti. Già dai primi punti si è visto in questo video come Alcaraz fosse già propenso a spezzare il ritmo abituale e la filosofia di gioco andando a rete prendendosi il punto, cosa che fa anche Sinner, infatti nel tennis attuale si bombarda prevalentemente da fondocampo con diagonali stretti ma ogni tanto si spezza il tema o con le palle corte, sempre più frequenti, o con le discese a rete, spesso fatte comunque ormai a punto finito. Il livello già qui era altissimo, ed eravamo nel 2019. Fortunati quei 4 o 5 del pubblico ( credo che il resto fossero i team o amici e parenti ) che hanno assistito a questo match, con spalti quasi completamente vuoti. Forse non avevano nemmeno capito a cosa stavano assistendo. In Spagna m'è capitato di assistere a qualche future ( in uno a Lleida c'era un Murray giovanissimo poi visto anche a Vic, con anche David Marrero, Pablo Andujar e pure Fabio Colangelo ) o challenger ( pure una finale di Cipolla in coppia con Granollers a Barcellona vicino alla Ronda de Dalt ) ... spettatori non erano zero perchè c'ero almeno io ! Gli spagnoli sono abituati ai top 10 ed anche n.1 ( Nadal, Moya, Ferrero e Correja, Ferrer, Robredo, Mantilla, Almagro, Verdasco ... ) ed ai loro grandi tornei ATP e quindi i future e challenger sono più deserti che una finale sociale dalle nostre parti !
They already played at a very high level of tennis, played like pros even though they were still so young. Amazing!
this was a pro tournament; so yes, you're supposed to play "like pros"
@@victorbicudo1374 Sure, technically you are right. Sometimes we use language in a figurative way. "Playing like pros" meant they played at a level above average for that age.
@@victorbicudo1374 THANKS to tell him🤣
even at age 17 I think jannik was on the roids.
@@CleanProTennischissà Alcaraz dal momento che lo ha battuto 👍👍
The id card says that Jannik is 2 years older but one important thing that many underestimate is that when they played that match the 15 year old Carlos had already practiced tennis for 8 years . Sinner only had started to play tennis seriously 4 years before because he had been a junior national champion of ski until the age of 13. This said, this two guys make me crazy everytime I see them playing one against the other.
Well, five years later Alcaraz has won 2 major titles and Sinner none. Stop whinning!
@@machikokyokyosan8104 giving context is whining? You need to grow up.
@@machikokyokyosan8104 I think that Sinner is more down to earth than Alcaraz, Sinner could be more successful than Alcaraz when both retire
@@machikokyokyosan8104 It's not whinning, it's a fact! It's your annoyed response that sounds like whining.
That's such a myth about Sinner which isn't even true. Here he is playing at a Nike junior tournament at the age of 11! th-cam.com/video/IHl26DYXJPE/w-d-xo.html
At that age, losing to someone younger hurts. I know because, when I was 10yo , I lost to 8 yo Sammy Giammalva. Sammy went on to turn pro for a few years, so that made me feel better. In fact, he defeated Pete Sampras in Pete's professional debut, which makes me feel even better.
Wow
1988 Philadelphia (Indoor Carpet). Straight sets, no less. 6-4, 6-3. He beat none other than Mark Woodforde in the next round 2-6, 6-3, 7-6. And then Peter Lindgren with a double 6-3 (not Lundgren, Federer's former coach who also played that tournament and lost in that very round to Marty Davis by 6-7, 7-5, 7-6). He lost to Christo Van Rensburg by 6-7 2-6 in the QFs
@@Edu2503 I taught Sammy everything he knew… LOL! Thanks for the stats. Who knew?
@@cslloyd1 I got it from the ATP portal as soon as you said Sammy beat Pistol Pete in his first ever Pro Match. I had to look for it lol
@@cslloyd1 thats awesome. I knew Sam. I played doubles with his son (also Sam) for a while in junior tennis. Super cool guys
Shot selection and the amount of winners produced by a 15 yr old is astonishing. Sinner seems less aggressive in contrast. Amazing talents from both
the surface
Amazing and look at them today. Both grand slams champions. Congratulations Carlos and Jannik. I can’t wait to see you both in finals
Great footage, amazing players, even at that age. What is very interesting are the patterns that were already there and are associated with both players even today. Alcaraz losing focus and intensity a bit when he is leading comfortably (5:1 first set), even making a couple of those characteristic errors - overhitting forehands when under pressure and down the line backhand in the net cord, seen it so many times in his matches even this year. But when he is losing, he plays his best, fighting for every ball and is not afraid of being aggressive and creative in the pressure moments. Sinner’s typical treat used to be physical weakness and losing a lot of his energy in longer matches, but he made a lot of progress over the last year and he is becoming scary strong. Also mentally he sometimes have those strange dips of concentration, but it’s getting better. What surprised me was Sinner going to the net a couple of times. In his early days on the ATP tour he rarely ran forward and used to play almost exclusively from the baseline.
Time heals all wounds
Thank you for this video.
Seeing the younger version of these two go against one another is something else. It's amazing just how competitive and driven they are even at such a young age.
I hope their rivalry delivers many more incredible matches in the future.
Power and movements are so crazy at teen age. Wish both stay healthy and go far.
oh, you wouldn't believe how far they've gone! :)
To think alot of junior tennis matches are notorious for their endless moonball matches... just look at these two barely out of their mid teens, Alcaraz is a double Slam Champ and already a year end number 1 and Sinner almost single handedly won this years Davis Cup, which Djokovic wanted very badly and will surely win a bunch of the big titles over the next few years.
Their absolute quality was showing already all those years ago.
Look at them now. 4 slams and 1 slam and Sinner is about to be year end number 1. Crazy!
People does not understand that Sinner began to play seriously only at 12-13 years old, he was a ski champion until he was 11. So, of course it's amazing that a 15 years boy beats a 17 years old rival, but ti's even more astonishing that Jannik could compete with Carlos becoming a tennis player only 4 years before this match. Carlos is two years younger, but as a tennis player he is much older than Jannik. Both are very talented. Carlos may have more natural talent, but Jannik's natural talent is generally underrated.
Si pero la diferencia fisica es muy grande, aqui se nota que el pequeño Carlos tecnicamente es superior a Yanik, con 15 años ya voleaba de maravilla y buscaba angulos y vaiedad en los tiros. Yanik ya se veia que tenia mucha capacidad de hacer tiros. Carlos con la edad que aqui tenia Yanik ya habia ganado a un TOP 3 como Tsitsipas en USOPEN a 5 sets donde llego a cuartos.
@@vicbs8589 of course, but you have to understand that Jannik until 13 years old played tennis twice a week and ski was is first sport: this is simply extraordinary. At 17 years old he was tennistically younger than Carlos at 15.
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Every tennis player play multiple sports. This excuse is used by sinner fans only. Nadal alcaraz played football too
@@AdyHh-up9ez this is truly silly: Sinner started his tennis career only at 13 years old and did non play in the junior tour: he is the only player who arrived fastly at number 1 in the world without playing in the junior tour. Only stupid haters of Sinner can't admit this.
@@pier70juve only stupid haters of alcaraz make excuses for sinner because alc owns him despite being younger. Alc played other sports. Roger played other sports. Nadal played football seriously. So excuses. Ur sinner isn't the only one. But u have to use it as an excuse
WOW! ALCARAZ REALLY & TRULY SHOWED HIS GREAT SKILL AT 15 YEARS OLD …
WHEN HE IS BEHIND .. IT CHALLENGES HIM TO MOVE FORWARD .. WHST A GREAT CHAMPION🙏🏾💯
Thanks for posting this , wow wow wow yes of course, a new champion's was born.
BORN TO BE CHAMPION 🏆😁
Gracias por compartir esta joya
crazy how I'd rather watch this than most tournament matches at the atp level
Eso te ocurre por ser fanático del lloroncete 😂😂😂
The fact that Alvarez was playing challengers at 15 is crazy
i love alvarez
Yes Carlos Alvarez is crazy talented
This was in spain and im pretty sure he got a few wild cards there. But yeah, pretty insane😂
Alvarez is so great, always enjoy him playing
yeahh just like Sooner
I bet Jannik never thought he'd have carota boys following him around to this matches
Karotte boys :)
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The shotmaking at that age and level is mental
I mean, this video is only 5 years old, but it looks like it was taken 15-20 years ago lol. The quality is horrible lol
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I believe this was intentionally recorded in low quality as this is what is done during all non major events. It’s basically a single portable camera placed on the fence for viewing on gambling sites. So it’s not a reflection of age. The same quality persists today.
These two are brilliant! They need the mental capacity to beat Joker consistently.
At the moment both of them are better than Nole, i don’t believe that Nole will beat anyone of them from now
nole legit beat both of them 3 months ago@@elio-7911
Wow. Great match. Alcaraz looks very aggressive Same as now. Sinner looks very precise. Same as now.
Well in this match its says that Carlos alcaraz got more power ever since they were a kids . Congrats Idol you are Phenominal Player ❤️❤️🙏
The bizarre thing to consider is that Boris Becker won Queens, then WImbledon at Sinner's age here. Still, it's great to have this video record of what has become the premiere rivalry of contemporary tennis. I always alert tennis friends when there is a Sinner v Alcaraz match occuring.
More bizarre thing is he would not win it in this day n age,
@@RoyTheSoccerFR3AK he absolutely would, given how weak the current field is, especially on grass.
@@disdiq7910lol he would not. It amazes me that people always make these ridiculous comments 😅 It is a COMPLETELY different game to what it was when Becker won in the mid 80’s. Diving around the net isn’t enough to win now. Back in the 80’s the grass courts suited serve and volleyers, that has changed to a large degree. The return game is MUCH bigger now, they’d smash those returns past him coming to the net. And no, the current field isn’t weak at all. Again, stupid comment that just parrots what others with no clue say.
@@disdiq7910 Are you stupid? You've got to be seriously delusional to think the top players of the pre-open era would hold a candle to today's players. Players like becker wouldn't even be in the conversation for winning a slam in 2023. For one, serve and volley doesn't work anymore. Cressy is maybe the only player that seriously employs that tactic and how often do you see him making it far in tournaments? Serve speed of players has gotten much faster, the speed difference in surfaces has become more pronounced, variability in racket and even shoe technology just makes the old playstyle obsolete. Even from a biological standpoint- more recent generations are taller, stronger, and faster on average than older generations. That's how selection works. In fifty years, the top tennis players will be miles ahead of today's top tennis players and the cycle of constant improvement will continue. No single generation is special, species have a natural tendency to improve- that's how we survive.
Becker doesn’t get any appreciation for his achievement at Wimbledon. He was physically stronger and more developed than Sinner or Alcaraz at 17. Big serve, great anticipation and grass court instincts. Wimbledon grass seemed faster playing back then.
sinner lookin like he just learned about the primary colors
that backhand was smooth even 5 years ago
Carlos Alcaraz è senza dubbio un fenomeno naturale.
Tuttavia Jannik Sinner sta dimostrando miglioramenti sotto tutti gli aspetti e tutti gli appassionati ed i tennisti professionisti glielo riconoscono.
In fondo la carriera di qualsiasi sportivo si sviluppa in anni di allenamento e
se ancora Jannik non ha vinto molto è solo questione di tempo.
E' vero. Pazzesco
Non sarebbe l'unico caso della storia ad aver raggiunto il n.1 al mondo ed ad iniziare a vincere dopo i 22 anni. Anzi, è successo nella maggioranza dei casi. Top 10 più giovani di lui, vado a memoria, sto controllando in questi giorni, ce ne sono stati forse nemmeno 5.
Pure Djokovic e Federer ci hanno impiegato a carburare. Federer addirittura sui 21 anni era dietro Hewitt e Roddick che poi sono spariti forse perchè hanno pagato un inizio ad altissimi livelli troppo violento. Ed ecco una delle ragioni del perchè Federer, Nadal e Djokovic hanno vinto tutti quegli slam. Oltre ad un livello assurdo di qualità tennistica, si sono trovati gli ostacoli tolti ( Hewitt, Roddick, Cilic, Del Potro, Murray ) per condizioni fisiche che li hanno visti sparire dai trionfi dei tornei dello Slam.
Ma nella storia c'è anche la situazione dove giocatori partono a razzo ( il nostro caso più eclatante è Nargiso n.67 a 18 anni e poi sparito o Cancelotti che a 21 anni era li per entrare nei top 20 come hanno fatto i suoi pari età, o Caratti, Pistolesi etc. etc. ma stiamo parlando di top 100 e non top 10 ) giovanissimi ( Krickstein ed Arias su tutti, ma anche in minor modo Becker ed Agassi, che a 17-18 anni erano già top 10 ma poi hanno disperso il loro potenziale pur vincendo in carriera vari slam e diventare n.1 ) e poi non concludono nulla di importante ( Mario Martinez n.32 a 17 anni, boliviano che ha vinto il torneo ATP di Palermo ma che poi è rimasto li come best ranking ).
Le progressione nel ranking è molto personale, ci sono delle analogie in comune per tutti o quasi tutti, ma poi può succedere di tutto.
Come è normale che dopo il primo anno di esplosione, il secondo più che eslosione si tratta di scoppiare.
Lievemente per chi poi si riprende come Sinner uscito dai top 10 per andare al n.17 e poi riportarsi al n.1, ma anche per altri giocatori ( ad esempio Agassi che top 10 a 18 anni poi ha raggiunto il n.1 dopo i 30 ed addirittura fino a 35 competitivo nei top 10 ), oppure letalmente per chi poi non si è più ripreso a livello di top 10 ( appunto : Arias o Krickstein come esempio ma anche lo svedese Sundstrom ).
These 2 are the future
The present
I have a loss to Michael Russell in the boys 16 and under Sectionals qualifying round for Nationals but he was a year younger and 4 inches shorter. But he was built like a powerlifter 🏋️♂️ and put so much topspin on the ball it was hard to hold onto my racquet through🎾 contact😂. He only played 1 year at university of Florida and put up incredible stats on the ITF but injuries curtailed his ascent...his best match was the most painful loss, up 2 sets and a break he lost in 5 sets to Gustavo Kuertan at the French Open. He's been Taylor Fritz's head coach for many years now and helped many other players on tour over the years...no shame here anymore.
Muscle Russell was a beast. Held match points vs Kuerten but couldn't get it done. Very gracious in defeat though.
Every person is different, Sinner evolved more progressively and slowly, but surely, and is very consistent today. Alcaraz had a very early boom, but he's having problems in being consistent with his tennis level, some weeks he's irresistible, other weeks he plays poorly.
got a good feeling about these dudes
Carlos was standing on a tree in that third set, amazing!
La potencia de uno versus la resciliencia de otro, increible partido
esses dois garotos iriam aplicar duas das maiores derrotas do jogador quase imbatível no futuro.
To look at them you'd think Alcaraz is the older, Sinner dressed like an actual child with his bright yellow shirt tucked in, and his bright red cap, haha. Either a child or a very young McDonalds employee I guess.
those 5 or so people lucky enough to watch this live had no clue what was to be, it reminds be of that guy talking too an empty room about bitcoin ten years ago
great playing at such an age. Too bad the clarity of the picture is so bad....
I remember watching this live
15 años? Fenómeno Alcaraz.
Back then, particularly when taking into account Carlos's superior skills due to his age, it suggests that Jannick has made greater progress over the years.
It makes sense if you know that Sinner only started tennis at 13, so he had been playing seriously only for 4 years, which is quite impressive.
@@aldobonaso3481if you want to believe that.. because I saw a video of him playing a tournament at 11.
Sinner sino ai 13-14 anni aveva come primo sport lo sci e poi veniva il calcio. Solo a quell'età ha deciso di puntare sul tennis. Ho vista una foto di Alcaraz a 7-8 anni in un campo da tennis con la racchetta in mano. Credo che per questo motivo Sinner non avrà mai la delicatezza del polso di Alcaraz.
L'età...... Sinner ha recentemente rilasciata un'intervista in cui ha detto che la sua crescita in altezza si è fermata solo nel 2023 e, finalmente, può fare dei seri allenamenti per potenziare la muscolatura (l'impressione è che Sinner abbia superato il m 1,90). Alcaraz a 18 anni aveva già un gran fisico.
Credo che, nonostante l'età, Sinner abbia maggiori margini di miglioramento tennistico.
Non è vero, Jannik ha iniziato a giocare a tennis a 8 anni, quando era un baby fenomeno degli sci. Verso i 10 ha puntato sul tennis ed ha fatto agonistica (non corsi saltuari). A 14 anni aveva già abbandonato da tempo il calcio ed anche lo sci. Sia lui che Alcaraz sono fenomeni, ma per me lo spagnolo ha più margini di miglioramento. Sinner è tatticamente già perfetto, mentre Alcaraz non ha ancora la stessa capacità di leggere le partite in corso.
E non è vero quello che dici tu per cui Sinner ha deciso che il suo sport sarebbe stato il tennis a 10 anni, a meno che tu non ne sai più di Sinner stesso, perché nell'estate del 2023, durante un'intervista (se ricordo bene dopo il torneo di Toronto??) dichiarò di aver deciso di lasciare lo sci e puntare sul tennis all'età di 13-14 anni.
Voglio aggiungere, a quanto avevo scritto nel mio primo commento, di aver letta (nel frattempo) un'intervista di Sinner del 2022 in cui disse che ancora stava crescendo in statura e che in quel momento era alto 1.91 m; siccome Vagnozzi, nel dicembre del 2023 ha detto che Sinner aveva conclusa la sua crescita solo da qualche mese (e quindi ora potevano puntare con decisione al suo sviluppo muscolare), dunque, è alto quantomeno 1.92 m.
Per quanto riguarda i margini di miglioramento credo che certamente li abbiano entrambi, ma secondo me ne ha di più Sinner; naturalamente è una mia opinione. Sarà il futuro a rivelare chia ha ragione.
Una cosa è certa questi già qui èrano fenomeni, la differenza la farà la tenuta fisica e la testa, dove non ci sarà uno per un motivo arriverà l'altro, sé nessuno riuscirà a stare al loro passo rischiano seriamente di ripetere il periodo del duopolio Federer-Nadal pre arrivo di Djokovic, inoltre uno è fondamentale per l'altro per poter crescere e alzare l'asticella, con il tempo miglioreranno entrambi, speriamo ché la natura li preservi da infortuni, il prossimo hanno vorrei vedere 4 finali slam fra loro due.
@@fabius1493 sono d'accordo.
That kid is good. He should turn pro one of these days 😊
This's already an ATP level !!!
These guys look like they'd go far in tennis
The level is higher than the USO final of 2024...
Bravo, Jannik.
This match seems better than the semi in RG 2024 😅
Jannik is moaning rather than grunting 🤣🤣
jeez that tennis center is a dang grunt factory
When will be the first gs final between these two? I think in 2025
In the third Alcaraz passed from 3-0 to 3-6. For a tired 15 y.o. guy is a not common mind solidity.
Супер игра ! Мои любимчики. но Карлос красавчик как в игре ,так и в жизни, только его улыбка😅
I saw sinner at 15 or so in mexick dojng the futures he would actuslly win rounds his coach was pedro rebolledo. Sinner was young yet contained humble... Im sure he would know who i am. I was one of the real weekend warriors. Sleepinh in the car just to play. Yes no money and no supprt but i never gve up.
Sebbene in tale partita Alcaraz avesse quasi 16 anni non ancora compiuti,mi sembrava gia' strutturato fisicamente,molto vicino all'odierno Alcaraz e soprattutto che avesse un bagaglio tecnico cui i 4 anni che sono trascorsi ,da allora, hanno pochissimo aggiunto se non in termini di esperienza..In altre parole se diciamo uguale a 10 il potenziale tecnico di Alcaraz gia' allora in quella partita di 4 anni fa' lo spagnolo rivelava un bagaglio tecnico effettivo vicino a 9..in altre parole in questo intervallo di tempo e' migliorato pochissimo dal punto di vista tecnico.se poi penso che la struttura fisica di ALCARAZ di 4 anni fa' fosse molto piu'compatta di quella di Sinner visto in quella partita,,se ne deve dedurre che per SINNER strappare un set allo spagnolo,costituisse gia' un gran risultato. L'attuale Sinner in questi 4 anni ha arricchito il suo bagaglio tecnico in modo quasi decisivo e comunque assai vicino a quello che caratterizza lo standard tecnico attuale dello Spagnolo,In piu'è ancora in una fase di costruzione e potenziamento del suo fisico,per cui se non nel 2024 ma quasi sicuramente nel 2025 ,dovremmo assistere ,almeno cosi mi auguro da Italiano,al sorpasso di SINNER su ALCARAZ..
se si tiene poi conto che il quasi sedicenne Alcaraz aveva alle spalle otto anni di pratica di tennis mentre il diciasettenne Sinner ne aveva quattro e che il fisico di Sinner ha finito di crescere solo l'anno scorso e adesso può lavorarci su, ci si può aspettare che tra i due quello che ha più ampi margini di miglioramento sia Sinner.
@@art3mide644 Sottoscrivo totalmente quelle che sono le tue considerazioni tennistiche su SINNER....
El que no se consuela es por que no quiere😂😂
"Porque fallo tanto?!" jajajaja
didnt sinner win the micky mouse finals that year (as a 17 yo)?
Destined to be rivals? It's a good match, but not better then other talented junior matchups. Most interesting, Jannik bypassing most of junior tour... Both taking atp junior finals
What exactly makes 'em legends? Young, talented players, but legends? 😂 😂 😂
I agree
They are already some of the few players who have won grand slams. Legends in the making if they win more.
Not now, but let's talk again when 15 years later they will have a dozen Slams each one...
The future of tennis is in good hands
Mirror of Indian Wells 2024
since then alcaraz was the goat, and its still the goat
Not
@@markheller8646 yes
@@markheller8646 yes because sinner is a doper who cheats
semi of IW-2024 on the doors ❤❤
Same grunt didn't change over the years 😂😂
2025 french open final ?
great match 😊
That last set was painful
Why?
Very good record.
Here you already can see Sinner's two biggest strengths: 1. He doesn't get demoralized when things don't go well. 2. He reaches many of the opponent's attacking shots, because he´s relatively light and therefore quick over an entire match.
Omg Carlos plays the same now!
Amazing. These guys looked better than Lendl and McEnroe in the French Open final.
Different gamea
Number 1 and 2 in the world now
I don't see Djokovic anywhere? Cause he is no1 still
@@ZlatniPlastDjokovic is at the end of his story, we all know about this, with Roger already out and Nadal that is spending more time at hospitals than on the court the 3 big are gone, the future is now Jannik and Carlos
@@Jannick999 Not quiet yet. Nadal RG, Djokovic Wimbledon. US Open Medvedev might surprise
@@ZlatniPlastnaaa, Nadal cannot play two consecutive matches without an injury, and Djokovic does not win a competition from 6 months.. and Medvedev after the last match lost, is horrified about meeting against Jannik
@@Jannick999 1. Nadal is avoiding real injury and he will be ready for RG.
2. Djokovic losing one sf on a gs while having temperature means nothing
3. Medvedev was also losing to Alcaraz and he destroyed him at US Open
4. You are just a Sinner blind fan
I was excited to watch the video, then I heard two future legends? Like cmon bro they only played one good season so far.
1:04 The inspector ref dude shouted ''Out!'' but they kept on playing lol
Edit: Maybe the dude is from the next court 🤷🏽♂.
Yes it's from the neighboring court
Finally no grunting
the two best player of decade
Riassunto del video: BRAVO JANNIIIIIK
1-5 e Sinner non molla il set andando 2-5 e servizio, ma finisce 2-6 ... poi si trova 2-6 6-3 3-0 e perde 2-6 6-3 3-6
Match classico con Sinner che come in ogni match non cedeva mai un 15 a gratis nemmeno a parlarne, reagendo ad un set perso con puteggio severo, vincendo il secondo set ma già in questo primo match contro Alcaraz è saltato in aria a fine match cedendo 6 giochi di fila, come successo nei tre confronti di questo 2024, con Alcaraz che ha vinto l'incontro rimanendo più alto di livello a fine match.
Il livello dei due è quindi pressochè identico, spesso la differenza la fa la miglior condizione atletica di Alcaraz, che incide anche di più rispetto alla super caparbietà, determinazione e concentrazione di Sinner che forse ha un tennis più qualitativo, meno fisico, ma che poi lo porta a finire il match in condizioni atletiche più pesanti rispetto ad Alcaraz. Cosa che ha portato a tutt'oggi Alcaraz a condurre negli scontri diretti, anche se poi in futuro le cose possono ancora cambiare, persino ribaltarsi, o il divario anche aumentare, nella differenza negli scontri diretti.
Già dai primi punti si è visto in questo video come Alcaraz fosse già propenso a spezzare il ritmo abituale e la filosofia di gioco andando a rete prendendosi il punto, cosa che fa anche Sinner, infatti nel tennis attuale si bombarda prevalentemente da fondocampo con diagonali stretti ma ogni tanto si spezza il tema o con le palle corte, sempre più frequenti, o con le discese a rete, spesso fatte comunque ormai a punto finito.
Il livello già qui era altissimo, ed eravamo nel 2019.
Fortunati quei 4 o 5 del pubblico ( credo che il resto fossero i team o amici e parenti ) che hanno assistito a questo match, con spalti quasi completamente vuoti. Forse non avevano nemmeno capito a cosa stavano assistendo.
In Spagna m'è capitato di assistere a qualche future ( in uno a Lleida c'era un Murray giovanissimo poi visto anche a Vic, con anche David Marrero, Pablo Andujar e pure Fabio Colangelo ) o challenger ( pure una finale di Cipolla in coppia con Granollers a Barcellona vicino alla Ronda de Dalt ) ... spettatori non erano zero perchè c'ero almeno io ! Gli spagnoli sono abituati ai top 10 ed anche n.1 ( Nadal, Moya, Ferrero e Correja, Ferrer, Robredo, Mantilla, Almagro, Verdasco ... ) ed ai loro grandi tornei ATP e quindi i future e challenger sono più deserti che una finale sociale dalle nostre parti !
anyone else see the cursor on the right side of the screen
I counted only 1 drop shot. Now both use it regularly.
Advantage alcarez because of power
I think the UTR of Alcaraz was already 13+ at the age of 15, close to professional level.
Da MIEDO ver a un crío de quince años jugar así. Buffff.....
jo, ¡¡como jugaban ya!!
Y pensar que hoy ver ese partido vale MILES DE DOLARES?😜😜
IW Carlitos; Miami 🥕....se invierte atp: 🐺, 🥕 y 🦈
0:13 Behind Carlson, his real/true trainer, the one who made it what he is today.
Nope, not Ferrero.
Don't be ridiculous. It was Navarro (under his dad's supervision) who teached Alcaraz.
A pity for Sinner to lose with a double fault even when he was 3-0 winning in the decider set.
I guesd camera technology was still really primitive way nack then, 4 years ago.
it just challengers not really important to have a better camera
Could 15 year old Alcaraz defeat current Swiatek?😢
no.. iga overpowered him
sinner got no drip💀
1st set 2nd serve win sinner 20% alcaraz 75% 😮
And the winner was .... ALCARAZ ...2 years younger than Sinner !!
Shout out to those 10 people on the stands. You were there. If you reply and tell me you were there, i will believe you.
I was there
Austrian king Jannik
Italiano , caro rosicone!😂
You wish
Sonner was already doped????
He is a caterpillar
not sure he was already doped at that time, I'm just sure you're totally drunk when you wrote that bullshit
Ahh yes.... this is what happened before the sun-tan lotion got applied.
If its four years ago how is Carlos 15 and Sinner 17?
This was held in the first week of April 2019, so one month before Alcaraz turned 16. We know he is 20 years old now.
It’s called time. You’ve never seen someone grow up?
@@SassanMedia20-4=16 not 15 which is why the OP was confused.
15 años Carlitos, 17 Sinner
the difference is that Sinner started playing tennis when he was 13.. don't forget it
8:18….. mamma mia!!!!
Yeah baby !
2 future legends? come on man. Maybe 2 future stars. None of them are even close to legendary status. Novak, Federer, Nadal are legends.
Who's the numer 1? Period
who has more slam and leading the h2h? exactly
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