How Audi's F1 team takeover will work + latest on Porsche's plans
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2022
- Audi has finalised its deal to buy into Sauber and make the Swiss team its works Formula 1 entry in 2026.
Less than two months after we learned Audi was definitely going to build an engine for the new rules, we now know for sure which team will be running that engine.
There’s plenty to ponder as the first-ever Audi F1 project takes shape, and we’re here to explain how it will work, what key questions still need to be answered - and what the latest is with Volkswagen Group sister brand Porsche as the Audi programme gathers pace.
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So Sauber have now been owned in full or in part by Mercedes, Red Bull, BMW, Ferrari and Audi. That's one hell of a journey.
WRONG 😑
@@TheDiasporaMedia ...you gonna expand on that at all?
They were never owned by Ferrari and Red Bull too only had a sponsorship agreement and nothing to do with the running of the team.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Red Bull owned a majority stake in Sauber until 2002 and whilst I can't find confirmation of a Ferrari stake I'd be surprised if there has never been one as Sauber at least ran significant amounts of Ferrari tech and design elements around the same time.
@@ELSTERLING I don't think it was a majority stake, was it? Peter Sauber still held the decision making rights and ultimately called the shots. Materschitz was forced out after he signed Kimi in 2001 despite Red Bull wanting Bernoldi in his place.
As a Swiss, I'm so happy to (hopefully) see the Sauber name return to the grid for a couple of final years, before Audi takes over.
Will the Sauber name disappear completely?
I hope Audi Sauber will be a part of the name in the same way BMW Sauber and Alpha Romeo Sauber are a part of the identity.
@@22NightWing I hope so, too, but I'm not optimistic. With all the talk of it becoming the Audi "works team", I'm guessing it will just be "Audi". Or more likely "Sponsor A Sponsor B Audi Formula 1 Racing Team powered by Sponsor C" or something like that.
@@22NightWing the 2026 car will be build in swiss by Sauber, so i guess they will continue
Don't know about everyone else, but I know I'm not the only one who calls the team Sauber unless I really think about it. I've heard commentators switch between the Alfa Romeo and Sauber names since the hook up. That team will always be Sauber first and foremost, and even if it's not everyone's "first choice" team, any time they do well, I'm pretty sure we're all really happy! Almost as emotional as when Minardi got a point lol.
Not kidding, I could end up in tears 😂. When Vettel won in the Toro Rosso car, not long (in F1 terms) after it had been bought out from Minardi, and still had mostly Minardi mechanics working there, I was sobbing my heart out with joy!
The Sauber Name is Iconic.
Audi will benefit from it, putting it together like...
"Audi Sauber e-tron F1 Team"
something like this.
What if Andretti signs a deal with Porsche that way we could get an 11th team on the grid and everyone gets Porsche it’s a win-win as long as Porsche agree to the terms
its almost like that was one of the points in the video
Goes against Andretti's long term goal of having an American built car with an American built engine driven by Americans. Also Porsche only wants to attach their name to a winner which Andretti wouldn't be in the beginning.
ANdretti wants to keep everything stateside.
And Porsche is a competing motorsport brand
Porsche should collaborate with Williams or AstonMartin, it makes more sense .
@@CaptainSlow2469 Aston Martin is more likely but the stumbling block is cost of entry.
Setting up a team from scratch and building everything is cheaper than the cost of buying an existing team. The current teams have the power to block any new entry meaning the bit of paper to allow an 11th team to enter is worth more than the physical makeup of a team itself. That is essentially what you are paying for, not the staff or headquarters etc
A Porsche-Andretti 11th entry would be nice to have, considering they're already partnered in Formula E, it would make for good branding for that to carry over into F1 too, also with the budget cap, there's a lot of staff that have been made redundant from other teams, so bringing experienced F1 engineers and personal on-board will be achievable, the only real massive expense would be building new facilities or renovation and upgrading of the abandoned Manor facilities
Porsche Andretti F1 Team also already sounds epic
Think it is going to be Williams Porsche.
Danny ric comes back in 2024 to drive Andretti porche
@@tonyb9735 Will Ferrari LMH?
Rumor is they're looking to make a deal with Williams.
An 11th team in the grid would be amazing and would give the sport that extra boost with the possibility of Porsche and Andretti
The day I see a car with an Audi logo actually on the starting grid is the day I will actually believe it
I hate that this is the only way we get "new" teams any more.
FIA Master Plan:
1. Impose cost cap to allow lower-budget teams and new entries to catch up more easily
2. Deny enthusiastic, well-funded entries
3. ???
@@JaySlaterOfMars I know right? They implemented the cost cap to give smaller teams a fighting chance, yet they deny other small teams from entering the sport? It’s almost like F1 isn’t trying to appeal to the smaller teams, but to the manufacturers. I hate that
@@JaySlaterOfMars 3. Increase number of cars on the field.
Unfortunately it is $€£ that makes the world go around. I feel the same way.
Oh yes, haven't things changed
Just seeing Sauber running strong in the midfield having less than half the money of top teams... This team is up for a massive improvement with Audi's money
That's what people said about racing point/aston martin, and look what happened
I hope Orlen stays as a sponsor though
@@danwebber5785 They're picking up steam though. Dan Fallows is an intelligent man, and after not being able to influence the design of the AMR22 or its B-Spec back in April, he's giving the team a good direction to head in. The facilities are still being built, but they're getting there, and they're going to be super useful. The team also has plenty of good sponsors, which helps with maintaining the longevity of the team.
2022 isn't the start we'd hoped they'd get, but things take time.
2008 BMW Sauber was a glimpse into the potential that Sauber has
thanks to guanyu zhou £30 Million sponsorship
I would like to see Allan McNish in some kind of role in the new F1 team. He did a great job as team principal in Formula E and knows the company like almost no other. He would certainly be a massive help.
Porsche were one of the worst run teams operationally in FE. They always underachieved for the car and power unit they had as well as one of the fastest drivers on the grid in Wehrlein. Pascal's title challenge that never was in 2021 isn't talked about enough, Porsche were experts at screwing up in a good position that season.
@@areebsiddiqui758 We're not talking about Porsche here, but Audi. Allan McNish did not have anything to do with Porsche.
@@benn8793 So you're referring to the Audi Sauber team and not any potential Porsche entry? In that case I misunderstood. Vassuer will continue to lead the program but I guess Mcnish could find a supporting role,
@@areebsiddiqui758 yes
@@areebsiddiqui758 yep. Maybe who knows LoveLive Superstars Porsche F1 Team could be born in 2024?
Hope they retain bottas, his experience would be a big advantage when tuning and adapting the new engine. Bottas wdc2027 😁
If bottas couldnt win in the 2020 mercedes then he doesnt deserve a championship tbh. Literally one of the best cars of all time
It's up to Alfa at that point. Bottas only has a contract until the end of 2024. Meaning Alfa has to retain him for a further 2 years, which I do think they should do.
@@gamingnoah9807 personally I think the team dynamic was the issue there, its damn near impossible to win when your own team sees you as the underdog, even if you look purely at the mental aspects of it Bottas always had a harder time of it than any driver since Webber
Bottas is as slow as they come, he has absolutely no fight in him. Guy shouldn't even be racing go karts let alone F1 cars.
@@therealquaid1694 slow is literally an utter overstatement he might be a bit inconsistent not as aggressive in races but he is no where slow by the performance in qualifying he is an outstanding driver just need a bit of luck and defend more aggressively then you will see a championship material
Interestingly, everytime Sauber has teamed up with a German car manufacturer, they've brought in a German driver who has gone to become a multiple World Champion. Case in point, Sauber Mercedes (not in F1 that time) gave Micheal Schumacher and BMW Sauber gave Sebastian Vettel their F1 launches respectively and we all know how they ended up✌️😁
Time to find a German hot prospect then.
@@soundscape26 like BMW?
Hopefully Mick
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 or Rina Tennoji?
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 nah, it was a young German shotgun, first time driving in F1. Who are the current junior German drivers? Any idea?
A Porsche-Andretti team would easily become my favorite team
Porsche appears set to buy 50% of Williams. Run the Audi engine badged as a Porsche. Seems like the best way to ensure Audi has more budget to develop the new engine.
Why would they use Audi engine tho? They recently made a formula 1 engine and made 3 more while Audi never made one and with new e fuels and hybrid tech Porsche got more tech about it I don't think they would like to use Audi engine they can make engine for theirselves imo
I still really hope we will get at least 1 more team on the grid. 20 cars are just to few. Maybe adretti and Porsche could join together as a new team.
We could see 43 car F1 grid.
Sauber staying independent for more than 5 years challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Nick Gregory, i bet 2026 could see several teams got rebranded.
I will miss the Alfa Romeo badge and paint when it's gone, but am excited about a new engine and strategic partner.
I think this will turn sauber into potential title challengers after a few years as Audi
I would love to see an Andretti Porsche team. I think a 50/50 split between the two would pose some challenges initially but nothing that the two groups couldn't work through.
I'm not too confident they'll be around for more than 10 years. They dropped in and out of racing series through the years, so I see this happening again. I hope Sauber doesn't end up paying the price for it though as they've been a dedicated private team for decades.
Finally some confirmed news about this!
Xander 310, i wonder if there could be "LoveLive Superstars E-Tron Audi F1 Team".
Agree. Could be all more interesting.
I have a feeling Red Bull will sell Alpha Tauri in the next few years if the right offer comes along.
Why would they sell? It's cheap advertising for their energy drink and fashion line. They also need an extra team to gather more data for their engine project. It's really hard to be a manufacturer if you only have 1 team to run your engine.
If that's possible, then AlphaTauri might become Honda.
They have literally said that. The team has always been for sale, they're just waiting for the right offer.
@@doghat1619 Not sure how prominent is that fashion line to warrant an F1 team on its own purely for advertising (like have you seen the price of their shirts? Yeah sounds like more niche boutique line to me). I think RB was just looking for a name they could slap onto their B-team thats not already everywhere (as in their drinks company). Especially with Dietrich gone I'm not sure if the new masters can justify the expense of said team. As for a being a feeder team for graduating junior drivers, it seems the trend for teams' young drivers program seems to be in the pits lately. If anything the teams that own these programs would rather negotiate with midfield teams to let their graduates in rather than maintaining a B-team just to feed in talent.
Better sell it to a good team entry then. We don't want another Haas who don't even use their full development budget despite costcap.
It would be so fantastic to see Sauber up front fighting with the big teams
Why FIA don't want 11th team? More teams, more cars, more drivers, more overtaking, more racing, better racing.
The current team don’t want not FIA
@@zhen86 What do you mean?
@@insansiregar7522 it dilutes their worth
The teams dont want another team, it makes the prize pool go down if they have to share it
@@insansiregar7522 Limited Prize money pot, Limited commercial pot, both getting split 11 ways instead of 10.
Dolton Capital owners of Williams have valued the team at £1Billion which is well in excess of the cost to build a team from scratch. That is only part of the equation.
Their valuation is due to the fact that there are essentially 10 grid slots that teams and the FIA all have to agree to increasing it. That makes it incredibly difficult to expand due to it being in the teams interest to prevent new entries meaning to only way onto the grid is to by an existing team. This allows them to command the price required not only for the team but the Golden ticket to allow the team to even turn up at the track.
all around this really makes me excited for the future of the sport that we all love]
ECLIPSE, imagine if Ai Miyashita and Rina Tennoji racing as teammates onboarding the Audi.
Exactly the same conclusion I came to and I hope it happens, Andretti, Penske and Gnassi should be on the grid.
Miss Sterling, that was an excellent observation and a hilarious conclusion. 😂 You should write for GP.
Looking forward to this happening. Sauber winning would be fantastic. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Robert Kubica gets a reserve seat for as long as he wants it thanks to that one day in Canada.
I feel that alpha tauri would be a good option for porsche
People seem to constantly underestimate Sauber. They went from lower midfield to challenging for a title in a couple of years with BMW back in the 2000s.
Welcome to F1 VAG!! 👏
Andretti Porsche sounds hard AF 🔥
So Sauber has now collaborated with all of the German big three! A unique accolade. Almost makes me wish the Stellantis marketing deal had made them into Opel F1 instead of Alfa Romeo, just to add another.
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Feel that they may do well with the Audi power unit. Especially with regulation changes, if Audi can do well with them.
I’m so sad to see the Alfa Romeo name go but it’s what’s best for the grid. I hope to see Alfa keep its name in motor sports even if it’s not in F1.
Porsche with Andretti makes sense and would hopefully allow a 11th team in.
But I think Haas would be a good fit too.
The Haas-Ferrari connection would be a big roadblock if Porsche really wants to buy that team as Haas not only buying engines from Ferrari, It also buys a lots of parts from Ferrari and currenty has a design office inside Ferrari's campus that is staffed with lots of Ferrari's pesonnel. Also, the fact that Haas doesn't have any chassis-making facility would deter Porsche on the prospect of buying the team and be competitive at the get-go. Speaking as a Haas fan of course.
Dont make any sense, Andretti want be his own american team in F1, without big hands trying controling, also Porsche dont need Andretti if they wanna start a new team they would start alone, but they dont want that, they want buy a based and competitive team to start in midfield instead of the back
I have the feeling F1 wants to settle for 10 teams only.
Andretti has no guarantee for the grid. Porsche wouldn't put everything on a hopeful whim. They're gunning for an established team with desires for front of the grid like Williams. They'll offer a 50/50 ownership and slowly end up running the operation then rebrand the team.
@@KillZoneHart1 William is owned by an investment firm so I doubt the owner would want to sell 50% of the team to Porsche that easily.
Hopefully Porsche get something sorted as well. Would be nice with additional team(s) but that seems to be quite unrealistic.
Yoo Imagine Porsche-Andretti O.o Instantly goated
It would be amazing if andretti - porshe entered as the 11th team and not just taking over an existing team.
Although if they don't want to bother w/ any other engine manuf, then we'll have to wait till 2026 maybe even 2027 till audi knows if their engine is at par with the others.
2027 we could see 43 car f1 grid.
Porsche-Williams has a nice ring to it and they have worked together in the past on other racing cars
it almost makes me want to watch f1 again.
I was hoping to see a full Porsche works team no collaboration or whatever just a Porsche with a Porsche engine just to see what they can do
Shojo Kageki Revue Starlight Porsche Works F1 Team?
Exactly, I don't see why they don't wanna build their engines. What's the point of bidding 50% of RB, if they aren't building engines
Andretti Porsche sounds pretty good
Would love to see a Porsche-Andretti teamup on the grid!
That would be a good one, but with all the F1 hype stateside, Andretti should strike while the iron is hot and get Ford to make them an F1 PU, the FIA would have to let them in for sure considering the history Ford has in the sport as providing the top garagista engine for decades and all the world champions it sat behind. The advertising exposure for Ford would be great also.
@@anydaynow01 Porsche-Haas possibly?
If I remember hearing correctly Mateschitz always said AlphaTauri was always for sale for the right price. I would see Porsche buying them more likely than Andretti being on the grid. With the cost cap and new pay deals the 10 other teams don't want to dilute that prize pool further. Bring 2026 would be good to see a closing up the grid just need Williams and Aston Martin to improve a bit more, this deal should sort out Sauber and then any team has the potential of a podium if not a race win.
1:23 Ok, but why that white Hotwheels van is under the left tyre?
Andretti racing with Porsche, YES. I want to see Andretti in F1.
It's Sauber - Mercedes Ford Ferrari BMW Alfa Romeo Audi!
Does Audi buy into the entire Sauber company or just their F1 Programm with Alpha Romeo ?
Man, that audi branded F1 car looks amazing.
Yep. But shame Audi wont compete as an own team and instead gonna took over one of the 10 existing ones.
Be fun to see eleven teams on the grid
Imagine if Sauber managed to win the constructors championship with the new Audi engine in the first year. That would be amazing
I hope Audi set trends in F1 like they do with their road cars.
Audi Sauber sounds awesome
I would love to see Michael Andretti in F1 as a car owner. He brings name recognition as F1 will have 3 USA and 5 NAM races next season.
here's a tip for the editor: NEVER scroll text this fast in a video made at 25fps. it's jarring and unreadable for as long as it is moving. so either scroll a lot slower, or do a more aggressive sinusoidal easy in/out so it's faster in the transition but eases in faster to a readable speed in less time.
Porsche should partner up with Williams. Two great historical teams will be a great thing for the sport
What a surprise. Its Sauber. No way! :P
"The first ever Audi F1 project" Technically, Yes, but a welcome return for the Audi logo, as Auto Union ran their cars with the 4 circle logo. On a side note, Auto Union actually bought the design of their Type A car from Dr. Ferdinand Porsche.
Ferry was a very busy guy, back then.
The Audi deal with Sauber was in the making for a long time, no surprises there. Porsche's future without the Red Bull deal doesn't seem so clear, though. Running with Audi engines would be as polemic as running Ferrari or Mercedes engines, but the VW board could make Audi rebrand their engine as VW for neutrality. Another option would be to buy a stake in Alpha Tauri and run with RBPT engines, but how competitive would that be?
Audi, Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault/Alpine, Aston Martin, McLaren and hopefully Porsche...
What a lineup!
Fingers crossed for Andretti Porsche as an 11th team
2:00 after BMW Sauber Ferrari nothing is weird
Andrett-porsche makes sense
Williams porsche sounds very interesting
Not sure if Dorilton Capital has the rights for classic Williams liveries etc but those would look gold with PORSCHE across, yeah.
An Andretti Porsche Team as the 11th outfit in F1 would be awesome for the sport 🏁
Yep but FIA never allow it sadly.
Never going to happen.
11th team!!! Lets go!!!
regarding drivers for when they become Audi-Sauber in 2026, MSC is a possible choice for them is it?
there's Andretti Autosports in, hookup with the Porsche group.
2025 onwards will be the golden age of racing, WEC and F1 loading with manufacturers
This is an example of where the budget cap isn’t exactly a good thing.
I get the need for it. But just shows everything has a trade off somewhere… just like car designs.
great channel! please improve your microphone use with an anti popper : )
Sauber have a longlist of successful driver in F1 that ever drive for the team.
2007 - Third constructor
2008 - Second constructor
I’ve been so curious about this. Beautiful explanation. Audi wants to actually contribute to an F1 team to win and Porsche wants to just slap a decal on a car. Got it
Maybe andretti should do a deal to buy Renault engines and put an Alfa Romeo sticker on it...
So is that an official The Race prediction?
I really think the 2022 Sauber/Alpha Romeo is one of the best looking cars on the grid
We are not excited about an new old team. 12 teams for 24 races now thts exciting.
So what you are saying there's some small potential that seb could make a short term return?
Also unless new team slows RB they will slow everything else..
3:33 I love the fake typing on the laptop
2026?! Bloody hell, here's me thinking multi-million pound deals can be doen quickly
It will be interesting to see who Audi takes on as a customer team, to help with 1) development testing and 2) a substantial financial contribution. F1 seems to want either five manufacturers and ten teams, or six manufacturers and twelve teams. Andretti still has no partner unless it's as 2nd fiddle to Audi or Porsche.
That livery is 🔥 but I feel sponsors will ruin it
Two VW group entries doesn't make sense.
It's not like the RedBull/Alfa Tauri relationship, with one being the junior team (effectively).
This is two directly competing teams from the same organisation.
andretti punching air rn
How about a video on George Russell's history of driving into others & then saying he was left with no space & receiving no penalty points by the FIA? Not to mention the sound of crickets by Sky F1 at such incidents, because of their heavy British & Mercedes bias. When it happened to Max last season, he was labelled "aggressive", "dangerous" & a "lunatic."
A merc British driver gets zero accountability from media. A Spanish one gets zero recognition
Honestly, I hope Audi or Porsche use a team as a springboard to start their own F1 team. We need more cars/drivers on the grid, and this would be a great way to do that. If Audi or Porsche aren't willing to start a team from scratch, it's clearly too difficult to be worth it for anybody else, so a sister team startup with as many shares parts as possible is the best option.
Imagine if we got Ai & Rina onboarding Audi F1 Team as teammates in 2026.
So Audi Sauber, Porsche Williams and Lamborghini Alpha Tauri 😁
Porsche - Andretti partnership would be the option that I'm certain most of us would want to see. The sport is growing and expanding to an 11th team would actually generate buzz. Porsche buying an ownership state in Haas or Williams and slapping their logo on the side of the car would excite absolutely no one.
Until a Porsche branded car lines up on the grid on a Sunday I refuse to believe we will ever actually get Porsche in F1
I’m glad the Porsche Red Bull deal was of the table, but I still hope Porsche can find another way to enter the grid
Would love to see mick schumacher and vettle join audi
Porsche-Hass or Porsche-Andretti are the 2 most likely. Alpha Tauri are too useful to RBR to let that become a Porsche team.
Hopefully all current 10 teams can mix with Audi & Porche and to become 1 F1 team only. Than 20 driver race for championship not for team because now only have 1 big F1 team
car manufacturers join F1 for the brand exposure, if there is no brand exposure why would they join F1?
Now if we could only something like a Williams-Porsche or McLaren-Porsche
i hope they revive the sauber name like in the bmw times
Porsche Needs to just enter F1 as FULL Works team/ aka. + 2 cars on the grid.... And the FIA et al needs to allow this..... The more Manufacturers the better.
PS. Still don understand how 'Ford' hasn't just teammed up with andretti to enter also?
Hopefully the hype for F1 will be the same or better by the time Audi enter the sport
Isn't Porche and Audi both under the Volkswagen group?
Auto Union (Audi) vs Mercedes Benz, in F1... we're talking old school here, back to the 1920's & 1930's.