So basically, they wanted a controlling stake in a championship winning team while adding nothing to said team. In other words, they were never serious about joining the grid.
The fact Porsche wanted Red Bull to hand over half of the entire F1 operation to a company that also owns Audi/Sauber as a direct competitor on the grid is utterly mind-blowing. Who at Porsche thought anyone would *ever* agree to that!?
afaik VAG owns porsche, audi, VW etc.. just because it a sister company/subsidiary, doesnt mean its like brother sister at home.. they operate just like a single individual entity.
Tbh, i don't believe they really meant to join F1. They probably just wanted some free publicity with, perhaps, a deal on the side: their demands were unrealistic and they knew it.
@@lattepus7888 Porsche AG is owned by VAG, but the Porsche/Piech family has a 53% stake in VAG. So it depends on what you mean by "Porsche". But true, Audi and Porsche has some health rivalry.
Things could change quickly for Redbull after Mateschitz death, you never know what the future holds, it could be the worst decision RB done. But I'm glad it didn't happen, now I can still "hate" on redbull! :D
I think these teams are wary about major manufacturers bailing out on F1 so suddenly in years past, so not surprised teams like Red Bull and Mclaren would not relent to giving Porsche a majority stake.
I agree, especially with an engine manufacturer that has bailed out of F1 twice. RBR's name has become synonymous with victory, just as McLaren and Williams were in the 90s.
Also the cost cap rules and increased amount of sposorship money teams get from much higher attention F1 gets (DTS, celebrities' social media posts) means teams can actually make profits now so why would they sell.
2008 and 2009 was a great example of big manufacturers bailing out when Honda then bmw and Toyota all pulled out. That Honda team that left behind only survived due to Ross brawn and that incredible car that let button to the title where Mercedes then took over after. BMW left sauber on the brink of ruin only for Peter sauber to just about save the team. As for Toyota well they just stopped altogether and moved on to endurance racing and rallying.
For the last 25 years or so, whenever there are rumors about Porsche and F1, I always said: "I believe it, when it actually happens!" And every single time I've been proven right. In don't want to be right, I just am...
I still think Porsche was mostly acting like it was interested as a part of a larger VW group plan to extract maximum concessions from the FIA for Audi's bid. Since they could dangle the promise of two new manufacturers instead of just one. It should have been obvious that the offer they gave RB was something they would never agree too.
@@michaelskoomamacher5652 I get your point, I meant when a new team wants to join F1, the new constructor should add some value to it. GM can easily enters F1 through an existing team just like Ford. Adding a new team is tough, they mist convince the current constructors, Liberty Media and FIA.
Most of the new rules set in 26 was because of the lure of manufacturers, such as Porsche. Some could claim, because of Porsche's public interest, and later Audi. Only to see Porsche with egg on their faces because they wanted to come in, and throw cash, while telling everyone how to win. Maybe that would have worked in the past, and maybe in the future it will again , but for now the reason for the rules changes is looking silly, and probably won't be back
They thought it was the last decade where F1 was desperately in need of new manufacturers, in 2016 let's say that would've worked perfectly, but nowadays with the growth of F1, they don't need half assed interest
Controversial opinion here, but I’m glad Porsche won’t be joining the grid. The arrogance they’ve displayed throughout this process is not what F1 needs. They thought they could just throw some money at Red Bull, rock up on the grid and start raking in the glory with race wins and championships without doing the hard graft. Why? Because they’re Porsche. No thanks, they can stick to their other motorsport programs.
@@royemerson97 no not at all, Ford are just there to help with the hybrid system and also a bit of advertising. Porsche wanted pretty much full control over every aspect of the team outside of just the power unit
Agreed, they have only ever wanted to join on their terms, which they cant do anymore as teams are in a much stronger negotiating position than in previous years. I am just hoping Honda can be cleverer than Porsche and stay in F1 with McLaren or Williams.
@@TheSlowoldman Not nowadays though. They're the old man talking about how they used to be good. "I'm still good! I just don't want to prove it." Lol ok Porsche
@Izumi Culture I would argue Porsche doesn't need F1.... I am an F1 fan and a Porsche fan.... it's just a simple truth. They are bargaining from a position of power, which F1 isn't used to. That in no way equates to fear to me, so I guess will just agree to disagree.
I think Scotts take here is spot on. Porsche misjudged their relative value and the relative value of an F1 team. Its Hubris, and F1 can well do without this attitude.
@@paulcruse The titles of Fernando Alonso/Renault in 05 and 06, Kimi Räikkönen/Ferrari in 07, Ferrari in 08, Lewis Hamilton/Mercedes in 08*, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20, Nico Rosberg/Mercedes in 16 and Mercedes in 21 speak against this.
@@T_Mo271 sure there's no benefit to existing teams but f1 as a whole? there's got to be a commercial benefit, American team, American driver in the US market. By the time 2026 roles round expect there to already be 4 or 5 races in the US
Under the current agreement, nothing happens in F1 without the teams agreement. And they don't see any benefit in adding more customer teams that will split the prize money.
Now that Porsche are confirmed not joining could F1 grant Andretti their entry already. They can't seriously be waiting for Honda to come back for the nth time before letting Andretti be the 11th team??
They're waiting on the Hitech team with Mazepins money laundered through Dubai, so we'll have Nikita Mazepin back on the grid in the eventual 11th team
New teams or bust, not interested in any take overs. So I won't miss Porsche in the least, they never seemed like they were seriously interested anyway.
I'm curious to find out, does anyone know whether Porsche made a move to buy out Alpha Tauri? If not, why not? That to me seemed like their most realistic opportunity outside of starting a project from the ground up.
The regulation changes were not about Porsche specifically, but about getting the VW group into the sport, which has happened with Audi. The cost and complexity of the MGU-H was a needless waste, and only Merc pretend otherwise. It also made life easier for RBPT, who have to take over the burden from Honda pulling out, partially because of the cost of the PU and the fact it isn't electric enough. I don't know why you would try to twist that.
No, They would ruin F1 with their greedy exec who doesn't want the team to be competitive.. I mean Redbull operation is flawless in every sector, Pit Crew, Strategist, Car design.. Why would they want to Control it? I mean yes Redbull spent a lot of money training their pit crew to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop.. But why they HATED that costly training? If not because they want All money Redbull spent on training should be in Porsche exec's pocket
Porsche buying racing point was never possible. RP were running Mercedes power units at the time, Porsche had no time or inclination to develop their own(still don’t by the look of it) and a Porsche owned team running Mercedes PUs? Can’t see anyone allowing that!
Surprised Porsche and Red Bull couldn’t come to terms over something involving Alpha Tauri but there you are. Hopefully now F1 has lost the main name it’s openly courted for years, they’ll be more open to other teams, like Andretti, who should already have the entry they want
Porsche wanted 50% decision making from the best Operational team on the grid.. From Pit Crew, Strategist, and car Design Redbull operates flawlessly.. So why they wanted to interfere that flawless operation? It's because clearly Porsche only wanted the money not the demanding task to build a midfield team, spend money and developing the team to the top.. And it means Redbull's ridiculous training cost would be cut.. Remember Redbull is the only team that willing to spend so much money just to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop stunt to train their Pit Crew.. With Porsche control it would be More Beneficial for Porsche to use that money to feed on Porsche's exec..
@@kevinwho. Pfffttt.. So you are saying they did not train their pit crew at all? And somehow they consistently get the DHL best pit crew awards every year? I pointed out Zero G stunts to prove they trained their pit crew way beyond most teams doing.. Sure it's more of a marketing but to successfully do that stunt they've already trained their pit crew and it cost Redbull money.. The one thing that Porsche wanted to take from Redbull
@@naufalpahlevi8976 ?? I didn’t say any of that & I think you mean DHL fastest pitstop award which Ferrari have won, both of the races this year. Correlation does not mean causation, the zero g stuff is just marketing man it’s not that deep fanboy lol. Every F1 team train their pit countless of hours.
Porsche doing a deal with Red Bull sounds only good on the surface because in the overall scheme of things a very big clash of opinion will lead to a huge downfall for both. It's good that it didn't materialize. If it were say a struggling F1 outfit, I don't see any problem for Porsche to make their entry.
Porsche wanted to ruin F1, Porsche wants to make Redbull basically the new Ferrari who needs to wait The car Manufacturers Exec decision before making an action
Williams and McLaren might not be winning Championships anymore , but someone buying them and then Changing their names would be a tragedy if it ever happened I am glad that Williams got to keep their name after getting sold , and did not get renamed to something like "Dorilton Capital Racing"
If only there were a feeder team currently at the back of the grid that are moving from Italy to a more convenient spot in the UK & are also changing their name because the brand isn't selling...
I think people underestimate the money it takes to develop a world class engine , look at Honda they suffered for so long before getting on top of the project. Ferrari & Renault engine have been around for so long but still unable to compete
A major contributing factor to Honda's problems during their time with McLaren were the "size zero" engine dimensions demanded by Ron Dennis. It's quite telling that the moment Honda moved to Alpha Tauri and were told by Red Bull, "build whatever engine you want to build, we'll just build the car around it.", their fortunes changed dramatically, and after a year with Red Bull, Honda actually managed to scale the whole thing down to be even smaller than the size-zero design they struggled so much with. The engine was compromised from the start and would likely never have achieved the potential the redesign has had with the freedom afforded by Red Bull
I never want to hear porsche in f1 until they have two cars lined up for the season opening race. Every rumour of sale or team going bust is going to have ppl saying ohh porsche could buy them, even if it’s a terrible prospect and has ridiculous circumstances.
A few years ago Porsche did actually make its own F1 engines even tested them since Porsche higher up said no F1 they pulled the plug and transfered their personnel to Audi. Porsche right now may want to focus on Endurance racing I mean Audi pulled the plug on its LMDh program to make way for F1 while the LMDh program got transfered to Lamborghini. Ferrari can focus on its hypercar because the cost cap benefitted them in the long run instead of firing people from their jobs they can reroute it to other motosport programs while giving factory support to teams. I mean the hypercar program is done in conjuction with AF Corse. I doubt Mclaren will ever have a LMdh or a hypercar program because Mclaren is just not big as Ferrari also i doubt privateers would be successful as they were in the 80s and 90s. Mclaren won Lemans in 1995 with a privateer car i doubt that success will be repeated especially today.
F1 is in a great place...now, but it's mind boggling that teams like McLaren (incompetent clown show) and Williams (permanent back marker) are willing to live on nostalgic history and continue to be basically non-competitive. The sport will not continue to grow if 2-3 teams continually dominate, the Drive to Survive phenomena will wear off by 2026...
Porsche seem to do this every 10 years. If they really wanted to be F1 they could be with a re-badge Audi engine, Buy in by paying a % towards the Audi engine project. They also had Andretti as a potential partner who probably would go have been flexible if it meant getting into F1. The rebranding and taking control of an F1 team (were they going to provide an engine, they seemed to want Red bull to build an engine and car) for a bit of cash wouldn't really appeal to an established F1 team as there is little to no benefit.
Lol. If Andretti in that hypothetical case accepted, then the Andretti brand is lost in F1. Since Porsche would take a major part of that team and name it to itself after some time. Being a f disaster…
What Porsche should have done with Red bull is bid for 100% of Red Bull power trains and used those facilities to build its own independent engine. That would have been successful.
Not really sure how Porsche lost here. They wanted something under very specific circumstances that happened to not pan out, so they withdrew. I dont think Porsche need F1 and F1 doesnt really need Porsche. I also think a lot of Porsche fans find it much more alluring to see a car racing and then go to a dealership were they can buy a car that looks pretty much like that. You cant really buy an F1 car, which is why I dont think that F1 translated as much into sales as some other racing ventures might. Its only prestige, but it goes both ways obviously. You cant always win. I dont know, for me this just sounds like a bunch of business decisions. So what. Just dont get riled up about it.
porsche don't need to join f1 because they already have enough success and reputation in so many other series. there's no need for porsche to join f1 for competition or advertising because their reputation precedes them and they have so many other successful projects, including a new hypercar
@@Pepe-dq2ib no but the point is that porsche are already working on this huge hypercar project that needs some improvements, throwing in f1 would compromise both
@@Pepe-dq2ib nice. I think it will take quite some time for any team to do that. The closest one was SCG back in Monza, but that was it. Can't wait to see the Sebring VoD later today.
I think the real issue here is the FIA making these spots available when they know it is an extremely unfavorable environment for joining the pack. I wonder if the teams will feel so strongly about no-one diluting the prize pool after a couple of teams leave. Also, if everyone is worried about the stability of the sport, why not put a clause in the contract that they must be in the sport for X amount of time?
FIA had nothing to do with Porsche entry.. Porsche didn't want to enter F1 as a brand new team, heck they didn't even want to buy small team like Williams or AlphaTauri..
Porsche wanted too much but had too little to bargain with. Who in their right mind goes to RB and treats them as if they were Williams? They don't need rescuing, no team really does anymore, and I'm sure they didn't want to buy into a car that's on the back of the grid.
In all fairness to Porsche, they have a reputation they need to uphold. In pretty much every racing series they either are currently or often have been the dominant force. It doesn't make sense for them to start with anyone other than the most dominant team. Building up a team to dominate a sport like this is a decade-long effort (according to Lawrence Stroll), and even Porsche's expertise wouldn't produce a clean-sheet design that's immediately at the top of the grid.
Phenomenal video right here. Manufacturers need to commit to joining F1 and respect the sport enough to have a long term plan. Kudos to Ford, Cadillac and Audi👏
The Haas business model is based on buying most of the car from Ferrari. Porsche won't do that, and Ferrari likely wouldn't sell them parts. Haas doesn't have the staff or facilities to build an entire car from scratch including a power unit.
I was really excited at the prospect of a Porsche F1 team. Only seeking a sponsorship deal and not wanting to run an actual race team has negatively skewed who and what I thought Porsche were.
Porsche didn't "blow it", they just don't have the interest in pursuing the deal further. F1 doesn't have much offer Porsche that it doesn't get from other forms of racing.
The moment that they announced they didn't want to either build a brand new engine or build a new team, I knew their participation was worthless. I really thought Audi was gonna be the less likely brand, yet their intent to actually contribute with a brand new engine changed that.
I saw a recent vid showing why Porsche doesn't need F1... something about having so many customers ordering cars that they have a huge waiting list... they can't make enough Porsches to keep people happy... so they don't actually need more sales... So using F1 as Advertising was just a waste of money... So, who knows how serious they really were... Seems like they wanted everything their way for as little cost/effort as possible... The unrealistic offers might have been because they weren't that worried about F1 unless it was going to be easy!
The 963 is not a true LMH car. It's an IMSA car allowed to race in LMH. The chassis is not designed or built by Porsche, it's a Canadian Multimatic, in accordance with IMSA rules.
I used to talk to someone relatively high up in Porche (high enough that they would be in regular contact with head office). They constantly agitated to get into F1, and will be furious they let this slip. Guess that's what happens when you try to do it on the cheap and with an assumption of the high ground.
i've been saying it but porsche only wanted to partner with the top team. Now that only losing teams would be interested in any partnership, they dont want in to F1
I think the fact that Audi is buying Sauber might also have been a factor in Porsche's failure, also they could have partnered with Michael Andretti's proposed entry but I'm guessing that Porsche wanted at least the same deal that they wanted with Red Bull to partner with Andretti, also I guess that Andretti buying into Wayne Taylor Racing in IMSA (who runs an Acura in the IMSA GTP category, also Andretti runs Honda engines in Indycar)
Andretti never had a serious plan to enter F1. They have neither the infrastructure nor the tech knowledge to do it (not to mention financial backing). Only American fans who don't know much about F1 took it seriously.
@@skyhigh6089 Andretti runs a program in Formula E, Extreme E, is one of the top teams in Indycar, his father is a former F1 champion, and he drove for McLaren, not to mention that the F1 effort has financial backing from General Motors
I think Porsche doesn't care that much to be honest. In the sense that they are not very desperate to get in, they won't get in if they are not happy with the conditions
Why don't they buy Alpha Tauri? They could do a deal with Audi for the powertrain (RBPT now being Ford for 2026). They could buy the team and still have title Alpha Tauri sponsorship. Win / Win...
Would have loved them with Williams & have a modern take on the Rothmans livery on the cars,but it is what it is,hopefully Andretti are also out if a big name like Porsche isnt here then i dont see why they would let a low name in.
But Andretti is committed in making an eleventh team, and they have GM backing. Porsche wanted to buy a part in a successful team and to have decision power in said team, which is not enough for anyone in the grid currently
Maximum return for minimal investment? Here in my country we have a saying: and what favor do you wish your lemon flavored ice cream to be? Meaning; do you want to add any other unrealistic goal to your order, sir?
Difference between all those manufacturers you mentioned and Porsche is, Porsche doesn’t need F1 to sell cars or to have a strong motorsport heritage. Just look at how well Porsche models sell on release. It’s F1 that lost out, not Porsche.
This was redbull playing games to get the engine advantage they been fucking around with for the past couple years. Insane how they’ve been allowed to get away with it. Creating “redbull powertrains” while renting all the Honda staff who’ve built F1 engines for years and now getting an engine manufacturing advantage because ford(the essential title sponsor) is a “new engine manufacturer”. Disgraceful from the FIA
Redbull will never be making its own engine. Redbull powertrains was just a nice overhyped cope from redbull. The engine themselves they were developing were already having problems lets not forget delays also you got to test the engine to see if it will work. Redbull gave the finger to Porsche only to realise their powertrains program will cost a lot of money to develop now Ford came and bailed their asses. Its pretty insulting how redbull got away with it.
it's a shame didn't work out for Porsche but the whole project was doomed from the start, they would never be happy running an Audi engine Plus I think overall it is better as they will continue their WEC entry
It's kinda sad to watch all this craziness about Porsche when Porsche seems to not want to fully go into F1, yet a team like Andretti does and lots of people put them down.
It's Porsche... If they want to be in F1 they'll be in F1. I think by Audi taking over Sauber, Porsche has revised their integration into F1, now they can train their personnel through Audi and take over one of the tail ending teams, there're plenty, Williams, Haas, Alpha Tauri and even Mclaren or historically temperamental Renault (Alpine) could be on the cards. Formula One through Budget cap is changed the complete complexion of Formula One. Major manufacturers will be flocking to F1 soon. We have some very big car manufacturing brands, like Toyota (return), Hyundai, Cadilac, Bugatti, Honda (possibility), Nissan, BMW, Saab, Volvo, etc. all or most are expected to come into F1. I think what the budget cap has done is shifted the playing field from Race Teams to Manufacturing Teams. Brace, Brace, Brace
They really should have gone the new entry route. Even if they didn't share a power unit, they definitely could have taken components from Audi Sauber to build the chassis and body work. But that's just my take
How did they miss the elephant in the room…Alpha Tauri? Red bull have all but said they don’t want the second team, Porsche want in without the need to start from scratch, seemed like a win win. Audi aren’t exactly buying into a championship winning team with Sauber!
Not sure why they would want to have a seperate engine package if AUDI is making their own. Makes no financial sense so not surprising that Porsche asked for what they did.
The problem with the Andretti/Cadillac bid is that it’s name only sponsorship by GM. They would be running Renault engines. I think that is what doomed Andretti.
Isn’t that pretty much what the Ford red bull deal is? Ford throw red bull some cash who use it to develop a PU in house and put a Ford sticker on the car.
Why? What are Porsche even bringing to the table at this point? A rebadged Audi PU and a bunch of corporate meddling from Stuttgart. At that point Williams would be better off just buying customer PUs off Audi directly.
Williams is still around. Porsche couldve join that team and join F1. If Porsche thinks so highly of themselves, equal to world champs Redbull, they could turn around Williams in a year or two and field a competitive car.
Very disappointing to see Porsche offering as much as Ford, but wanting control. I would have never imagined Porsche rebadging Audi engines. Not much to offer.
How EMBARRESING it must have been to come up with such a ridiculous offer to multiple teams, get rejected HARD! Letting it blow up in your face and then suffering the crushing defeat of pulling out of F1 Bid for 2026. They were lazy and greedy.
It is weird Porsche is not getting in... Though I wonder why Porsche hasn't tried to get in as a synthetic fuel supplier for the whole grid since they have an actual working plant now in Peru.
I don't think it is fair to expect Porsche to be in F1 when you consider their efforts in the WEC, IMSA and all the classes within. Then when you consider the expansive club race involvement, I don't know who else races as much, so Porsche wanted their terms and non other.
Porsche wanted to buy a ready-to-win team, basically not putting in any effort while gaining a very experienced team. RB would give up years of investment for what? A big bag of money? RB is healthy financially and competitively. So of course they would say no.
Porsche doesn’t play second fiddle, nor do they ever need to, the most successful racing brand to ever grace this earth. Honestly, Porsche doesn’t need f1, a customer from our store has his GT3RS at Miami Go, and Piastry and Alonso wanted to check it out because they can’t even get one lol.
My question is: why don't we have 12 teams in the grid? The entries will have to pay hundreds of millions to get in either way so why is money the problem? So many young talented drivers that can't get a spot on the grid...
Not surprised. Hopefully this is the final time Porsche express intention of joining F1. Each time they show an interest, regulations are changed which kill the competition & they never join
Kind of a good thing since if Porsche joins F1 and makes their own engines and power terrains, it's basically over for any F1 team 💀 It's gonna be the least competitive sh ever with them winning for the next 20 years 😭😭
Had they targeted a team with no championship winning history a name change might have been on the cards. However with so much cache tied to having won there was no way RB, MC or Williams would sacrifice their biggest and most recognisable asset. That said after so many previous failures we can hardly blame Porsche for wanting to start with a proven team. Maybe they'll be back one day
Wasn’t Porsche rumoured to join IndyCar as well which forced their engine rule changes only for a change of heart? Seems like categories should simply quit trying to please manufacturers that don’t have any meaningful history in their series.
This all said I still don't get a few things. Is Audi playing its F1 game for marketing its almost fully electrified cars? As it plans to electrify its full line up. This doesn't really make any sense even when using carbon neutral fuels. What's the point? Secondly, Porsche, in my opinion, doesn't care if it gets into F1 as much as the video thinks it does. It has the best car sales in the world, it can't use its flat 6 engine in F1, it's developing its own carbon neutral fuels I guess at price of $100 million in Chile which is significantly less than gaining a stake in F1 team. I don't really see a point for Porsche to come into F1.
So basically, they wanted a controlling stake in a championship winning team while adding nothing to said team. In other words, they were never serious about joining the grid.
Ramadhan Mubarak, Souldry.
They would add money
@@0AFonseca nah, Red Bull already bigger than Porsche
@@LSchelvin71 you actually believe this dont you
The most Porsche thing Porsche could do tbh
The fact Porsche wanted Red Bull to hand over half of the entire F1 operation to a company that also owns Audi/Sauber as a direct competitor on the grid is utterly mind-blowing. Who at Porsche thought anyone would *ever* agree to that!?
Def not red bull who valued their independence since the beginning
afaik VAG owns porsche, audi, VW etc.. just because it a sister company/subsidiary, doesnt mean its like brother sister at home.. they operate just like a single individual entity.
Tbh, i don't believe they really meant to join F1. They probably just wanted some free publicity with, perhaps, a deal on the side: their demands were unrealistic and they knew it.
@@lattepus7888 Porsche AG is owned by VAG, but the Porsche/Piech family has a 53% stake in VAG. So it depends on what you mean by "Porsche". But true, Audi and Porsche has some health rivalry.
Things could change quickly for Redbull after Mateschitz death, you never know what the future holds, it could be the worst decision RB done. But I'm glad it didn't happen, now I can still "hate" on redbull! :D
I think these teams are wary about major manufacturers bailing out on F1 so suddenly in years past, so not surprised teams like Red Bull and Mclaren would not relent to giving Porsche a majority stake.
I agree, especially with an engine manufacturer that has bailed out of F1 twice. RBR's name has become synonymous with victory, just as McLaren and Williams were in the 90s.
That wasn't the reason why. The dealbreaker for them was to lose 50% control for not much else in return
@@phawxhunter Knock Kock: Honda
Also the cost cap rules and increased amount of sposorship money teams get from much higher attention F1 gets (DTS, celebrities' social media posts) means teams can actually make profits now so why would they sell.
2008 and 2009 was a great example of big manufacturers bailing out when Honda then bmw and Toyota all pulled out. That Honda team that left behind only survived due to Ross brawn and that incredible car that let button to the title where Mercedes then took over after. BMW left sauber on the brink of ruin only for Peter sauber to just about save the team. As for Toyota well they just stopped altogether and moved on to endurance racing and rallying.
For the last 25 years or so, whenever there are rumors about Porsche and F1, I always said: "I believe it, when it actually happens!" And every single time I've been proven right. In don't want to be right, I just am...
All hail the Prophet of the New dawn of motor sport KeK!
The last time Porsche failed this hard, they were building the VK 45.01 (P).
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I still think Porsche was mostly acting like it was interested as a part of a larger VW group plan to extract maximum concessions from the FIA for Audi's bid. Since they could dangle the promise of two new manufacturers instead of just one. It should have been obvious that the offer they gave RB was something they would never agree too.
Very likely
Hopefully this will make F1 and the grid more willing to accommodate andretti Cadillac
Not likely. F1 as in liberty media probably wants it to happen, it's the current teams that aren't all that happy with it.
The problem with GM is they are not willing to build a new power unit, maybe Honda can complete their trio
@@sam-nariman6236 and that's a problem now? *winks at Aston and Alfa*
Yes please
@@michaelskoomamacher5652 I get your point, I meant when a new team wants to join F1, the new constructor should add some value to it. GM can easily enters F1 through an existing team just like Ford. Adding a new team is tough, they mist convince the current constructors, Liberty Media and FIA.
I'm wondering why Porsche didn't try to buy Alpha Tauri..
Or alpine, williams, haas, etc.
Prolly wanted to get into the sport, and be at the top right away
because as the video said, they want a convenient deal. They basically want to piggy back an already winning team, instead of building/raising one.
@@Kaimax61 like Ford lol
Alpha Tauri is not for sale, thats why
Most of the new rules set in 26 was because of the lure of manufacturers, such as Porsche. Some could claim, because of Porsche's public interest, and later Audi. Only to see Porsche with egg on their faces because they wanted to come in, and throw cash, while telling everyone how to win. Maybe that would have worked in the past, and maybe in the future it will again , but for now the reason for the rules changes is looking silly, and probably won't be back
Hopefully is.
They thought it was the last decade where F1 was desperately in need of new manufacturers, in 2016 let's say that would've worked perfectly, but nowadays with the growth of F1, they don't need half assed interest
Controversial opinion here, but I’m glad Porsche won’t be joining the grid. The arrogance they’ve displayed throughout this process is not what F1 needs. They thought they could just throw some money at Red Bull, rock up on the grid and start raking in the glory with race wins and championships without doing the hard graft. Why? Because they’re Porsche. No thanks, they can stick to their other motorsport programs.
💯 well said
Isn’t ford doing what you described? lol
@@royemerson97 but they didn't ask for 50% of red bulll. that's the difference.
@@royemerson97 no not at all, Ford are just there to help with the hybrid system and also a bit of advertising. Porsche wanted pretty much full control over every aspect of the team outside of just the power unit
Agreed, they have only ever wanted to join on their terms, which they cant do anymore as teams are in a much stronger negotiating position than in previous years. I am just hoping Honda can be cleverer than Porsche and stay in F1 with McLaren or Williams.
Porsche was never going to enter F1 they wanted the free advertising, they do it every few years.
Yep. Every 4 years in fact, Ming.
@Izumi Culture Porsche is far from the laughing stock of the Motorsport industry....... that is just not true. They have a very storied history.
@@TheSlowoldman Not nowadays though. They're the old man talking about how they used to be good. "I'm still good! I just don't want to prove it." Lol ok Porsche
@@go-away-5555 You need to do a bit more research if you think Porsche is resting on it's laurels.....
@Izumi Culture I would argue Porsche doesn't need F1.... I am an F1 fan and a Porsche fan.... it's just a simple truth. They are bargaining from a position of power, which F1 isn't used to. That in no way equates to fear to me, so I guess will just agree to disagree.
I think Scotts take here is spot on. Porsche misjudged their relative value and the relative value of an F1 team.
Its Hubris, and F1 can well do without this attitude.
using attitude and F1 in the same sentence
you must be joking
F1 was always about attitude
youre right of course, but still
cant find a more pretentious thing than F1
I could only imagine such a deal with AlphaTauri, but not with Red Bull.
Yeah they were rumors about redbull selling alpha tauri
But you need Ross Brawn or Adrian Newey to win in F1
@@paulcruse The titles of Fernando Alonso/Renault in 05 and 06, Kimi Räikkönen/Ferrari in 07, Ferrari in 08, Lewis Hamilton/Mercedes in 08*, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20, Nico Rosberg/Mercedes in 16 and Mercedes in 21 speak against this.
I can't wait to see how they come up with reasons to deny Andretti now that the preferred entry they were courting for years shrugged and gave up.
F1 simply doesn't want Andretti. There's no benefit to them. They're happy with 10 teams.
@@T_Mo271 sure there's no benefit to existing teams but f1 as a whole? there's got to be a commercial benefit, American team, American driver in the US market. By the time 2026 roles round expect there to already be 4 or 5 races in the US
Under the current agreement, nothing happens in F1 without the teams agreement. And they don't see any benefit in adding more customer teams that will split the prize money.
@@T_Mo271 F1 might not want an 11th team but it seems the fans do. Fans are the ones that pay the bills.
No, not really. It's the sponsors and the broadcast advertising where the money is.
Now that Porsche are confirmed not joining could F1 grant Andretti their entry already. They can't seriously be waiting for Honda to come back for the nth time before letting Andretti be the 11th team??
Thats quite original.
F1: He he Honda goes rum rum
They opened entries for two new teams, they wouldn't need to reject Andretti to accept Honda.
They're waiting on the Hitech team with Mazepins money laundered through Dubai, so we'll have Nikita Mazepin back on the grid in the eventual 11th team
@@-TheUnkownUser you think?
New teams or bust, not interested in any take overs. So I won't miss Porsche in the least, they never seemed like they were seriously interested anyway.
Agree. Porsche only good on FIAWEC or IMSA but pathetic on F1.
Writing was kind of on the wall after the Red Bull talks fell apart
Agree.
I'm curious to find out, does anyone know whether Porsche made a move to buy out Alpha Tauri? If not, why not? That to me seemed like their most realistic opportunity outside of starting a project from the ground up.
Alpha Tauri is not for sale. What RedBull is considering is whether to move them to Milton Keynes or stay at Faenza.
They wanted a top team, instant progress and development right away.
The regulation changes were not about Porsche specifically, but about getting the VW group into the sport, which has happened with Audi. The cost and complexity of the MGU-H was a needless waste, and only Merc pretend otherwise. It also made life easier for RBPT, who have to take over the burden from Honda pulling out, partially because of the cost of the PU and the fact it isn't electric enough. I don't know why you would try to twist that.
They should've brought Racing Point back when they out of financial
No, They would ruin F1 with their greedy exec who doesn't want the team to be competitive..
I mean Redbull operation is flawless in every sector, Pit Crew, Strategist, Car design.. Why would they want to Control it? I mean yes Redbull spent a lot of money training their pit crew to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop.. But why they HATED that costly training? If not because they want All money Redbull spent on training should be in Porsche exec's pocket
Porsche buying racing point was never possible. RP were running Mercedes power units at the time, Porsche had no time or inclination to develop their own(still don’t by the look of it) and a Porsche owned team running Mercedes PUs? Can’t see anyone allowing that!
At this point, I'm probably going to be dead by the time Porsche ever enters F1.
Yea me too. Been waiting for a long time
Surprised Porsche and Red Bull couldn’t come to terms over something involving Alpha Tauri but there you are. Hopefully now F1 has lost the main name it’s openly courted for years, they’ll be more open to other teams, like Andretti, who should already have the entry they want
Porsche wanted 50% decision making from the best Operational team on the grid.. From Pit Crew, Strategist, and car Design Redbull operates flawlessly.. So why they wanted to interfere that flawless operation?
It's because clearly Porsche only wanted the money not the demanding task to build a midfield team, spend money and developing the team to the top.. And it means Redbull's ridiculous training cost would be cut.. Remember Redbull is the only team that willing to spend so much money just to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop stunt to train their Pit Crew.. With Porsche control it would be More Beneficial for Porsche to use that money to feed on Porsche's exec..
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@@naufalpahlevi8976 lmao relax rb fanboy. The zero g stuff is for marketing not training lol
@@kevinwho. Pfffttt.. So you are saying they did not train their pit crew at all? And somehow they consistently get the DHL best pit crew awards every year?
I pointed out Zero G stunts to prove they trained their pit crew way beyond most teams doing.. Sure it's more of a marketing but to successfully do that stunt they've already trained their pit crew and it cost Redbull money.. The one thing that Porsche wanted to take from Redbull
@@naufalpahlevi8976 ?? I didn’t say any of that & I think you mean DHL fastest pitstop award which Ferrari have won, both of the races this year. Correlation does not mean causation, the zero g stuff is just marketing man it’s not that deep fanboy lol. Every F1 team train their pit countless of hours.
Great news. Now they can concentrate on the WEC and GT racing
Porsche doing a deal with Red Bull sounds only good on the surface because in the overall scheme of things a very big clash of opinion will lead to a huge downfall for both. It's good that it didn't materialize. If it were say a struggling F1 outfit, I don't see any problem for Porsche to make their entry.
Porsche wanted to ruin F1, Porsche wants to make Redbull basically the new Ferrari who needs to wait The car Manufacturers Exec decision before making an action
They messed up when they thought they would buy 50% shake on redbull and replace Horner with Seidel lol
They messed it up whole lot further.
Williams and McLaren might not be winning Championships anymore , but someone buying them and then Changing their names would be a tragedy if it ever happened
I am glad that Williams got to keep their name after getting sold , and did not get renamed to something like "Dorilton Capital Racing"
If only there were a feeder team currently at the back of the grid that are moving from Italy to a more convenient spot in the UK & are also changing their name because the brand isn't selling...
I think people underestimate the money it takes to develop a world class engine , look at Honda they suffered for so long before getting on top of the project. Ferrari & Renault engine have been around for so long but still unable to compete
A major contributing factor to Honda's problems during their time with McLaren were the "size zero" engine dimensions demanded by Ron Dennis. It's quite telling that the moment Honda moved to Alpha Tauri and were told by Red Bull, "build whatever engine you want to build, we'll just build the car around it.", their fortunes changed dramatically, and after a year with Red Bull, Honda actually managed to scale the whole thing down to be even smaller than the size-zero design they struggled so much with. The engine was compromised from the start and would likely never have achieved the potential the redesign has had with the freedom afforded by Red Bull
I never want to hear porsche in f1 until they have two cars lined up for the season opening race.
Every rumour of sale or team going bust is going to have ppl saying ohh porsche could buy them, even if it’s a terrible prospect and has ridiculous circumstances.
A few years ago Porsche did actually make its own F1 engines even tested them since Porsche higher up said no F1 they pulled the plug and transfered their personnel to Audi.
Porsche right now may want to focus on Endurance racing I mean Audi pulled the plug on its LMDh program to make way for F1 while the LMDh program got transfered to Lamborghini.
Ferrari can focus on its hypercar because the cost cap benefitted them in the long run instead of firing people from their jobs they can reroute it to other motosport programs while giving factory support to teams. I mean the hypercar program is done in conjuction with AF Corse.
I doubt Mclaren will ever have a LMdh or a hypercar program because Mclaren is just not big as Ferrari also i doubt privateers would be successful as they were in the 80s and 90s. Mclaren won Lemans in 1995 with a privateer car i doubt that success will be repeated especially today.
Audi LMDh program was not transferred to Lamborghini. Lamborghini was a separate project ever since the beginning.
F1 is in a great place...now, but it's mind boggling that teams like McLaren (incompetent clown show) and Williams (permanent back marker) are willing to live on nostalgic history and continue to be basically non-competitive. The sport will not continue to grow if 2-3 teams continually dominate, the Drive to Survive phenomena will wear off by 2026...
Porsche seem to do this every 10 years. If they really wanted to be F1 they could be with a re-badge Audi engine, Buy in by paying a % towards the Audi engine project. They also had Andretti as a potential partner who probably would go have been flexible if it meant getting into F1. The rebranding and taking control of an F1 team (were they going to provide an engine, they seemed to want Red bull to build an engine and car) for a bit of cash wouldn't really appeal to an established F1 team as there is little to no benefit.
Lol. If Andretti in that hypothetical case accepted, then the Andretti brand is lost in F1. Since Porsche would take a major part of that team and name it to itself after some time. Being a f disaster…
If Porsche had a re-badged Audi engine, this would be them accepting Audi as superior
Good, leaves a more plausible option for Andretti Cadillac! 👍
What Porsche should have done with Red bull is bid for 100% of Red Bull power trains and used those facilities to build its own independent engine. That would have been successful.
This makes andreti entry more likely.
Yep. But even that its 30/70.
Not really
Nah
@@purwantiallan5089 Why? They are the only candidate so far, and the line deal is June. its 99/1 already
@@RoyMatzem I think the same, especially after general motors came in.
Not really sure how Porsche lost here. They wanted something under very specific circumstances that happened to not pan out, so they withdrew. I dont think Porsche need F1 and F1 doesnt really need Porsche. I also think a lot of Porsche fans find it much more alluring to see a car racing and then go to a dealership were they can buy a car that looks pretty much like that. You cant really buy an F1 car, which is why I dont think that F1 translated as much into sales as some other racing ventures might. Its only prestige, but it goes both ways obviously. You cant always win. I dont know, for me this just sounds like a bunch of business decisions. So what. Just dont get riled up about it.
Is anyone else fed-up of teams buying existing teams? We want additional teams!
Teams don't want extra teams, so manufactures need to buy existing team. Its the teams fault. I to demand Andretti on the grid with a new team!
Bet they would have used something like Rodge's shaker to fis porpoising problem.
porsche don't need to join f1 because they already have enough success and reputation in so many other series. there's no need for porsche to join f1 for competition or advertising because their reputation precedes them and they have so many other successful projects, including a new hypercar
they beat toyota in hypercar?
@@Pepe-dq2ib no but the point is that porsche are already working on this huge hypercar project that needs some improvements, throwing in f1 would compromise both
@@Pepe-dq2ib nice. I think it will take quite some time for any team to do that. The closest one was SCG back in Monza, but that was it. Can't wait to see the Sebring VoD later today.
This dude is high on copium 😂
@@Pepe-dq2ibthey did beat toyota in LMP1 numerous times
Such a good looking car livery though, a shame it won't see the light of day.
I think the real issue here is the FIA making these spots available when they know it is an extremely unfavorable environment for joining the pack. I wonder if the teams will feel so strongly about no-one diluting the prize pool after a couple of teams leave.
Also, if everyone is worried about the stability of the sport, why not put a clause in the contract that they must be in the sport for X amount of time?
nah porsche are just cheap skates who just wants all the glory but not the work,
FIA had nothing to do with Porsche entry.. Porsche didn't want to enter F1 as a brand new team, heck they didn't even want to buy small team like Williams or AlphaTauri..
Porsche wanted too much but had too little to bargain with.
Who in their right mind goes to RB and treats them as if they were Williams? They don't need rescuing, no team really does anymore, and I'm sure they didn't want to buy into a car that's on the back of the grid.
In all fairness to Porsche, they have a reputation they need to uphold. In pretty much every racing series they either are currently or often have been the dominant force. It doesn't make sense for them to start with anyone other than the most dominant team. Building up a team to dominate a sport like this is a decade-long effort (according to Lawrence Stroll), and even Porsche's expertise wouldn't produce a clean-sheet design that's immediately at the top of the grid.
Phenomenal video right here. Manufacturers need to commit to joining F1 and respect the sport enough to have a long term plan. Kudos to Ford, Cadillac and Audi👏
Did not make sense for VW to have two teams, and Red Bull already had an engine designed, what would Porsche do?
I think Haas could be a great option for Porsche to choose like Audi did with Sauber
Not sure ☠️
The Haas business model is based on buying most of the car from Ferrari. Porsche won't do that, and Ferrari likely wouldn't sell them parts. Haas doesn't have the staff or facilities to build an entire car from scratch including a power unit.
they don't wanna do the hard work.
I was really excited at the prospect of a Porsche F1 team. Only seeking a sponsorship deal and not wanting to run an actual race team has negatively skewed who and what I thought Porsche were.
Porsche didn't "blow it", they just don't have the interest in pursuing the deal further. F1 doesn't have much offer Porsche that it doesn't get from other forms of racing.
As porsche invented the synthetic fuels, technically they could use that leverage to get their name on every car on the grid.
The moment that they announced they didn't want to either build a brand new engine or build a new team, I knew their participation was worthless. I really thought Audi was gonna be the less likely brand, yet their intent to actually contribute with a brand new engine changed that.
I saw a recent vid showing why Porsche doesn't need F1... something about having so many customers ordering cars that they have a huge waiting list... they can't make enough Porsches to keep people happy... so they don't actually need more sales... So using F1 as Advertising was just a waste of money... So, who knows how serious they really were... Seems like they wanted everything their way for as little cost/effort as possible... The unrealistic offers might have been because they weren't that worried about F1 unless it was going to be easy!
They got greedy wanting 50% stake. Their brand is strong, but not that strong.
The 963 is not a true LMH car. It's an IMSA car allowed to race in LMH. The chassis is not designed or built by Porsche, it's a Canadian Multimatic, in accordance with IMSA rules.
This is good in a way because we'll be able to see their continued presence in the WEC.
As a keen viewer of WEC races, I'm glad this turned out this way, I hope this allows more stability for that programme.
That Audi livery is sick.🥰
I used to talk to someone relatively high up in Porche (high enough that they would be in regular contact with head office). They constantly agitated to get into F1, and will be furious they let this slip.
Guess that's what happens when you try to do it on the cheap and with an assumption of the high ground.
They did blow it. But they're probably better off without F1. Why not just keep building on their successes?
i've been saying it but porsche only wanted to partner with the top team. Now that only losing teams would be interested in any partnership, they dont want in to F1
I think the fact that Audi is buying Sauber might also have been a factor in Porsche's failure, also they could have partnered with Michael Andretti's proposed entry but I'm guessing that Porsche wanted at least the same deal that they wanted with Red Bull to partner with Andretti, also I guess that Andretti buying into Wayne Taylor Racing in IMSA (who runs an Acura in the IMSA GTP category, also Andretti runs Honda engines in Indycar)
Andretti never had a serious plan to enter F1. They have neither the infrastructure nor the tech knowledge to do it (not to mention financial backing). Only American fans who don't know much about F1 took it seriously.
@@skyhigh6089 Andretti runs a program in Formula E, Extreme E, is one of the top teams in Indycar, his father is a former F1 champion, and he drove for McLaren, not to mention that the F1 effort has financial backing from General Motors
I think Porsche doesn't care that much to be honest. In the sense that they are not very desperate to get in, they won't get in if they are not happy with the conditions
Why don't they buy Alpha Tauri? They could do a deal with Audi for the powertrain (RBPT now being Ford for 2026). They could buy the team and still have title Alpha Tauri sponsorship. Win / Win...
Would have loved them with Williams & have a modern take on the Rothmans livery on the cars,but it is what it is,hopefully Andretti are also out if a big name like Porsche isnt here then i dont see why they would let a low name in.
Andretti has GM behind them. Depending if Cadillac is willing to commit to a full works team, Andretti might still be a viable option.
But Andretti is committed in making an eleventh team, and they have GM backing. Porsche wanted to buy a part in a successful team and to have decision power in said team, which is not enough for anyone in the grid currently
Maybe F1 will stop moving the goalposts on Andretti-Cadillac now?
They were offering literally nothing besides cash, and with the teams being profitable now that isn’t as enticing as it use to be.
If Porsche is so desperate to join F1 they should found a new team. Get 11 constructors on the grid
Maximum return for minimal investment? Here in my country we have a saying: and what favor do you wish your lemon flavored ice cream to be? Meaning; do you want to add any other unrealistic goal to your order, sir?
Difference between all those manufacturers you mentioned and Porsche is, Porsche doesn’t need F1 to sell cars or to have a strong motorsport heritage.
Just look at how well Porsche models sell on release.
It’s F1 that lost out, not Porsche.
This was redbull playing games to get the engine advantage they been fucking around with for the past couple years. Insane how they’ve been allowed to get away with it. Creating “redbull powertrains” while renting all the Honda staff who’ve built F1 engines for years and now getting an engine manufacturing advantage because ford(the essential title sponsor) is a “new engine manufacturer”. Disgraceful from the FIA
Redbull will never be making its own engine. Redbull powertrains was just a nice overhyped cope from redbull. The engine themselves they were developing were already having problems lets not forget delays also you got to test the engine to see if it will work. Redbull gave the finger to Porsche only to realise their powertrains program will cost a lot of money to develop now Ford came and bailed their asses.
Its pretty insulting how redbull got away with it.
it's a shame didn't work out for Porsche
but the whole project was doomed from the start, they would never be happy running an Audi engine
Plus I think overall it is better as they will continue their WEC entry
Porsche had malicious intention from the start, it makes a sense that the project didn't work out in the end..
In no way am I surprised things played this way.
It's kinda sad to watch all this craziness about Porsche when Porsche seems to not want to fully go into F1, yet a team like Andretti does and lots of people put them down.
It's Porsche... If they want to be in F1 they'll be in F1.
I think by Audi taking over Sauber, Porsche has revised their integration into F1, now they can train their personnel through Audi and take over one of the tail ending teams, there're plenty, Williams, Haas, Alpha Tauri and even Mclaren or historically temperamental Renault (Alpine) could be on the cards.
Formula One through Budget cap is changed the complete complexion of Formula One. Major manufacturers will be flocking to F1 soon. We have some very big car manufacturing brands, like Toyota (return), Hyundai, Cadilac, Bugatti, Honda (possibility), Nissan, BMW, Saab, Volvo, etc. all or most are expected to come into F1.
I think what the budget cap has done is shifted the playing field from Race Teams to Manufacturing Teams.
Brace, Brace, Brace
They really should have gone the new entry route. Even if they didn't share a power unit, they definitely could have taken components from Audi Sauber to build the chassis and body work. But that's just my take
How did they miss the elephant in the room…Alpha Tauri?
Red bull have all but said they don’t want the second team, Porsche want in without the need to start from scratch, seemed like a win win. Audi aren’t exactly buying into a championship winning team with Sauber!
Not sure why they would want to have a seperate engine package if AUDI is making their own. Makes no financial sense so not surprising that Porsche asked for what they did.
They should just wait till a new team is allowed or an existing team is exiting completely.
Gee... Didn't see that one coming😂 Now can we never waste any breath or air time on Porsche and F1? What a joke.
I'm glad the RB-Porsche deal fell through
The problem with the Andretti/Cadillac bid is that it’s name only sponsorship by GM. They would be running Renault engines. I think that is what doomed Andretti.
Isn’t that pretty much what the Ford red bull deal is? Ford throw red bull some cash who use it to develop a PU in house and put a Ford sticker on the car.
Porsche Williams would be brilliant for both parties
Why? What are Porsche even bringing to the table at this point? A rebadged Audi PU and a bunch of corporate meddling from Stuttgart. At that point Williams would be better off just buying customer PUs off Audi directly.
Williams is still around. Porsche couldve join that team and join F1. If Porsche thinks so highly of themselves, equal to world champs Redbull, they could turn around Williams in a year or two and field a competitive car.
Porsche dont have source to make their own engine so they want to poach RBPT. Why do you think they can turn Williams into contender in 2 years?
Very disappointing to see Porsche offering as much as Ford, but wanting control. I would have never imagined Porsche rebadging Audi engines. Not much to offer.
How EMBARRESING it must have been to come up with such a ridiculous offer to multiple teams, get rejected HARD! Letting it blow up in your face and then suffering the crushing defeat of pulling out of F1 Bid for 2026. They were lazy and greedy.
Two engines made by Volkswagen and then rebranded as Audi and Porsche is what I thought would have happened due to reduced start up cost.
It is weird Porsche is not getting in... Though I wonder why Porsche hasn't tried to get in as a synthetic fuel supplier for the whole grid since they have an actual working plant now in Peru.
I don't think it is fair to expect Porsche to be in F1 when you consider their efforts in the WEC, IMSA and all the classes within. Then when you consider the expansive club race involvement, I don't know who else races as much, so Porsche wanted their terms and non other.
Once the red bull thing didn’t happen I never thought I they’d come in. Not a huge shame given they were never going to do an engine anyway
Porsche wanted to buy a ready-to-win team, basically not putting in any effort while gaining a very experienced team. RB would give up years of investment for what? A big bag of money? RB is healthy financially and competitively. So of course they would say no.
They missed the boat, it's not 1999 & you just buy your way into an existing team.
I kinda expected this and i would say its over for porsche in F1 tbf they don't need the F1 program
Porsche doesn’t play second fiddle, nor do they ever need to, the most successful racing brand to ever grace this earth. Honestly, Porsche doesn’t need f1, a customer from our store has his GT3RS at Miami Go, and Piastry and Alonso wanted to check it out because they can’t even get one lol.
My question is: why don't we have 12 teams in the grid? The entries will have to pay hundreds of millions to get in either way so why is money the problem? So many young talented drivers that can't get a spot on the grid...
Not surprised. Hopefully this is the final time Porsche express intention of joining F1. Each time they show an interest, regulations are changed which kill the competition & they never join
I would love to see Andretti Cadillac on the grid!!!
Kind of a good thing since if Porsche joins F1 and makes their own engines and power terrains, it's basically over for any F1 team 💀 It's gonna be the least competitive sh ever with them winning for the next 20 years 😭😭
Had they targeted a team with no championship winning history a name change might have been on the cards. However with so much cache tied to having won there was no way RB, MC or Williams would sacrifice their biggest and most recognisable asset.
That said after so many previous failures we can hardly blame Porsche for wanting to start with a proven team.
Maybe they'll be back one day
Wasn’t Porsche rumoured to join IndyCar as well which forced their engine rule changes only for a change of heart?
Seems like categories should simply quit trying to please manufacturers that don’t have any meaningful history in their series.
F1 needs Porsche, but Porsche does not need F1. Also VW already has Audio going into F1, not much point having more VW Brands in there.
This all said I still don't get a few things. Is Audi playing its F1 game for marketing its almost fully electrified cars? As it plans to electrify its full line up. This doesn't really make any sense even when using carbon neutral fuels. What's the point?
Secondly, Porsche, in my opinion, doesn't care if it gets into F1 as much as the video thinks it does. It has the best car sales in the world, it can't use its flat 6 engine in F1, it's developing its own carbon neutral fuels I guess at price of $100 million in Chile which is significantly less than gaining a stake in F1 team. I don't really see a point for Porsche to come into F1.