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If you're curious, the editor has the Defiler, Guardian (hots campaign one), and Devourer labeled as MP units that were intended to go into multiplayer, they likely never made it all the way, or were scrapped pretty early on but made fully for the campaign and kept the MP designation.
One unit I really miss is devourer, single target damage with an aoe splash debuff that reduces attack speed and armor, it was the best capital ship counter, and combined with mutas or hidras it used to be a slaughter of capital ships, they removed 2 hard counters to air units for zerg, yes but terran got heavy canon thors and protoss just mass voids
@@Appletank8 yeah but it's not for zerg, makes marines do more damage but they still have a ton of aoe and high single target damage like siege tanks, widow mines and thors (anti light/anti armor cannons)
Scourge/Baneling is a unit composition that would never see the light of day. Scourge in today's meta would've hard-countered Liberators, Void Rays, Colossi, and every capital ship unit in SC2.
But that's also their role in the Zerg roster in SC1, they were your BEST bet in taking out capital ships as back then you didn't have the option of the Devourer until Brood War dropped meaning Zerg players were pretty much stuck with just using Mutas with Hydralisks if they wanted to have some form of Anti-Air, the Scourge made things balanced versus capital ships as it took roughly three to take out one Battlecruiser and roughly six to take out one Carrier both of which were also rather expensive to sink money into.
@@cursedhawkins1305 It took 5 to take out 1 Battlecruiser, assuming that they could get to it; in practice the Battlecruiser would always kill 1 with a single shot (Battlecruisers in StarCraft 1 did 1 big shot instead of a lot of little shots). The problem was that with the selection limit of 12 units regardless of how powerful, it was extremely difficult to coordinate a large enough army of Scourge to take on 12 Battlecruisers -- the Battlecruisers would just 1-shot them all if they weren't perfectly grouped and timed (it has been done but is very rare even at the pro level). Mitigating this was the fact that it was very hard in StarCraft 1 for Terran to tech to Battlecruisers when playing against Zerg (or for that matter Protoss) -- if you could afford to make Battlecruisers, you probably didn't need to.
I think the thing to do if Scourge were to be reintroduced would be to rebalance their damage type (was untyped in StarCraft 1) and cost so that they would still be effective against capital ships but not against other combat ships.
The swarm guardian is still present in The Lost Viking(the arcade game you could play in wings), a shame it was basically just a guardian from sc1. The OG infester also got reused for the blightbringer in the Nova covert ops mission “night terrors”.
Btw, scourge would, if implemented, likely not have AoE, being having instead high single target damage has a suicide attack, like it does in WoL, in brood war and in coop when it isent upgraded. I do wish they were added since zerg lacks in both the air and anti-air departments, being the race with the least air unit AND the race with the least units that can hit air
That ability sounds nearly identical to the SC1 Queen which was the Zerg's original air spellcaster and could implant a parasite inside any unit, granting you full vision of anything it sees(so you can spy on enemy bases) as well as detection, so it seems natural it would be reused for the Viper. Then it was removed, but at least it was re-implemented in Coop where Stukov can make Brood Queens, which act just like the old SC1 queens. Though now, it also boosts vision range by 5 as well, which since he focuses a ton on spamming huge swarms of cheap but timed infested marines, you can toss a parasite on a marine in the back and let the ones in the front still fight against cloaked/burrowed units just fine. They're unfortunately not nearly as good as Vipers though. I'd imagine they'd be great in multiplayer, but Coop scales everything up so far that of all the possible ways to play Stukov with his unit comps and mastery/prestige choices, they are really an entirely optional unit in all but one comp, Prestige 3 Bunker spam where they more serve to just delete stuff like Siege tanks or Colossi via Spawn Broodling.
@@Late0NightPC My understanding was that the Viper's ability was to place it on your own units instead of the enemies and it would be a detector but maybe the sc1 queen ability was what they had in mind. I never saw it in play so really wouldn't know.
To think we almost had an iconic unit that would prevent low level toss and Terran from turtling one base and trying to max capitals. What a shame that would have been.
Blizzard and balance have never existed in the same universe, but it's funny to think just how much worse it was in hots. It's why I quit the game back then. HotS balance was a fucking disaster.
Scourges were in sc1, since units controlled were limited to 12, it made sense (though they would still be hard countered a by sc1 battlecruisers who could kill them in 1-2 hits depending on upgrades), not only that, they didn't have splash damage. Scourges would be considerably stronger in sc2 without the unit control cap, as evidenced by their use in zagaras co op army, which added splash damage to boot
You forgot to mention another important difference that makes Scourge way stronger in SC2 (Zagara's army in Co-op is also proof of this): in SC1, you could dive any number of Scourges against a unit as long as its "death" animation hasn't occurred. This means that you can overkill units, wasting the excess scourge (for example, a muta dies from 2 scourge connections in SC1, but you can have, say, 10 scourges hit that muta before its death animation kicks in and it dies). This was corrected in SC2, so you cannot waste Scourge by for example ordering your army to connect on a single air unit. Everything else is correct except for one thing: Battlecruisers in SC1 didn't hard counter scourge, it was the other way around (and they pretty much hard counter everything on air except perhaps valkyries and corsairs). For the cost of a Battlecruiser you can get 5-6 scourge eggs, meaning 10-12 Scourges (depending on how you consider the gas cost compared to mineral cost), each egg takes up 1 supply (vs 6 from a BC) they take way less time to build and only 5 have to connect to kill the BC. Even though the BC with just 1 weapon upgrade can one-shot scourges, their rate of fire is not high so a BC will kill 1, maybe 2 scourges before the rest dive in and kill it, so usually you only need to build 6-8 to take down a BC efficiently.
@@spooneater9001 400 scourge would absolutely DEMOLISH 12 BCs. I get your point, but that is not the definition of a hard counter. A hard counter is a unit that can kill way more of a certain other unit in terms of cost (money cost and supply cost), assuming other things are equal (build time of the supply-equivalent, positioning with regards to terrain, upgrades, etc.). There are very few actual hard counters in SC1 I think (like scourge to BCs or vultures to zealots, although the latter can be disputed in a scenario of non-microing the units), and a few more in SC2 (like hellbats to zerglings). Everything else is actually soft counters (meaning that Now, back to the Scourge. What makes scourge seem weak against large BC numbers is that they are hard to micro to avoid overkills, it can be tricky to have the right number of Scourges to take out whatever number of BCs the opponent has (while also not having too much scourge), and to be efficient you cannot rely on the unit AI to just A-move, you have to micro the scourge. So yes, Scourge in SC2 would have been much stronger than in SC1 but that's not because of the absence of hard counters compared to SC1, but rather because of how much easier the mechanics are to use them effectively.
@@Crateron1 I'd show you if I still had my sc1 install disc, but...it's why they went with tiny pew pew lasers in sc2 rather than that long girthy laser attack of sc1 having a large mass of flying 500hp hammers was borderline unstoppable without spells. I'm certain you're right about corsairs, but I've never seen that many in action in my games.
Love your videos, but the queen bro, the queen! The initial concept of queen was similar to a mothership core, it was big, you could build only one and it could nydus itself to each given bases.
Really like the swarm guardian design. I hope that they will be back in the future expansion, but now have Air to Air attack and does bounce damage same as mutalisk. Fix the "zerg have no aoe" meme, and also make Mutalisk not so much of mass or miss kind of unit anymore. I mean what the point of MUTAlisk when they themselves can't mutate?
Not only that but in broodwar they also overkill if you dont control them, making them extremely not cost effective if you a-move them. They were more assasination units than combat units. I dont mind scourge with better pathing and no overkilling, but the splash is unneccesary.
they could had included the scourge nest in zerg campaign to multiplayer game but just nerf it even more. it will be a cool one time static arial defense for the zerg.
I wish a game would allow a build-your-own type critter economy. Some units would be: - Scourge: small air frame + explosive charge - Baneling: small ground frame + explosive charge - Zergling - small ground unit + melee attack + speed - hit points - Hydralisk - small ground unit + ranged attack This way you would have players first starting off as Zerg and attacking. They can use existing Zerg units, or design their own creatures. Later on when they play as the Zerg opponent you would have to deal with either existing Zerg units, or whatever custom units the player designed. The best designs might even be uploaded to the main company server, and those upgrades get sent around for other players to fight. it would also allow for the company to tweak the costs of different Zerg components to make the game more 'fair'. I.e. the Scourge might have a toned-down explosive charge, reduced armor, or even develop a rapid-fire anti-air ability for other factions.
@@EsportsStoryteller True, it would need a lot of testing to get rough numbers. You'd probably first make it as a freeware game of build-a-bug, then use the data from that to make the prices for the real game.
This is why SC2 is not going to be topped anytime soon, and definitely not by Stormgate, which is being built up front for multiplayer, and isn’t considering units like this that are really fun, but too broken for 1v1. But these units are bombastic and crazy, and so fun for campaign. It helps build the world, and makes you want to play the game. Every good RTS is built for campaigns with big bombastic armies, and then whittled down for 1v1. Blizzard knew how to do this so well, and cared about the world as much as we do.
They could have save the infestation ability I suppose. I mean, Queen in Brood War had it. It was rarely ever used in competetive match, but it was there.
Well, in general air is not that popular in SC1 as it is in SC2, scourge are cool for Zerg cause they can destroy big air armies without investing too much larva or supply cuz they don't have injects, and ground Zerg is way better than sky so it's better for them if the enemy plays ground too.
Protoss and Terran have easily available and GOOD air-air splash. Valkyrie’s shoot Liberator missiles like a machine gun and Corsairs are in Sc2 and can kill a scourge before it can reach them.
Maybe they should have gone with a C&C 3 style and make two different Terran/Protoss/Zerg factions, one using the old BW units and the other using the SC2 units and allow players to choose the one they like the most.
Damn I forgot about swarm guardians. I thought they added them at some point. Maybe early liberty beta ? Also those early infestors were pretty cool. Wish they'd just try new things or allow us to try out their ideas. Highly doubt they'll make another SC, than again rts games are on the rise.
They should have let given Zerg a scaled down form of the Leviathan from the campaign as a zerg capital ship, maybe limit them to 1 at a time like the mothership
I have a better idea for a scaled-down Leviathan. It's weaker than the Battlecruiser and the Carrier, cheaper at slightly low cost and 5 supply, but at least it deals AOE splash damage to both ground and air units. And massable to fit the Zerg's swarmy doctrine.
The reason that scourge worked in broodwar is because the AI is dumb theoretically you could use all 200 of them on one air unit if they are stacked correctly Where as in SC2 the AI is a lot smarter
Its insanely hard to defend against scourge, even in StarCraft 1 where you can actually need to micro the scourge.... I can literally focus all my attention on AI controlled scourge and i still take damage like 50% of the time 😂😂😂
I think scourge is not that powerful in Starcraft1. The AI of the scourge in Starcraft 1 dosen't perform that smart in the game, it probably needs a few second to aiming, they're normally just roaming around for a while before hitting the target. Secondly, the scourge always overkill the target. For example, if the battlecruiser need 4 scourges to kill, but you select a dozzen of scourges to that battlecrusier, they might just kill themself, like how baneling works in Starcraft 2.
Looks like you didnt know of SC/BW scourges ? BC took them down with 1 shot. But SC II BC is a weakling. Guardians were the same in SC I/BW. BL is bad design free unit combo. Check out SC I defiler.
Scourge worked in sc1, how could they not work in sc2. If they just remade sc1 with sc2 engine, call it BW2 then merged them for custom games. I'd pay 100 bucks for that.
@@EsportsStoryteller Ok. maybe cover some small Esport? Like for some reason Stardew valley have a Tournament :D . Anyway looking forward for you next release. Good luck!
in fact dark swarm was too strong. in sc1 dark swarm is OP and the only reason its not winning you ever ZvT is the fact that spellcasters in sc1 are awful to control
You didnt play starcraft one did you? I also noticed this in another video of yours. Scourge was from starcraft one. Its understandable that they tried to add it to the sequel.
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If you're curious, the editor has the Defiler, Guardian (hots campaign one), and Devourer labeled as MP units that were intended to go into multiplayer, they likely never made it all the way, or were scrapped pretty early on but made fully for the campaign and kept the MP designation.
The originstory of Dowadiru!
Our lord and savior!
The true ruler of the swarm!
ALL HAIL
Peacekeeper?
One unit I really miss is devourer, single target damage with an aoe splash debuff that reduces attack speed and armor, it was the best capital ship counter, and combined with mutas or hidras it used to be a slaughter of capital ships, they removed 2 hard counters to air units for zerg, yes but terran got heavy canon thors and protoss just mass voids
The only thing we got is vipers and patienceee
Very technically the Anti Armor missile has the same effect now, just without the damage. not as if it’s damage was all that great.
Corrupters are better anti-capital than every other anti-capital unit in SC2.
Well, at least it's available in coop and sometimes seen in campaign
@@Appletank8 yeah but it's not for zerg, makes marines do more damage but they still have a ton of aoe and high single target damage like siege tanks, widow mines and thors (anti light/anti armor cannons)
You forgot the original concept of corrupters turning defeating air units into infested turrets
Whoa, that was a thing? Seems interesting and slightly overpowered.
That actually sounds really cool finally the corrupter can corrupt things
2:48 DOWADIRU! The absolute bro!
Scourge/Baneling is a unit composition that would never see the light of day. Scourge in today's meta would've hard-countered Liberators, Void Rays, Colossi, and every capital ship unit in SC2.
and?
But that's also their role in the Zerg roster in SC1, they were your BEST bet in taking out capital ships as back then you didn't have the option of the Devourer until Brood War dropped meaning Zerg players were pretty much stuck with just using Mutas with Hydralisks if they wanted to have some form of Anti-Air, the Scourge made things balanced versus capital ships as it took roughly three to take out one Battlecruiser and roughly six to take out one Carrier both of which were also rather expensive to sink money into.
@@cursedhawkins1305 It took 5 to take out 1 Battlecruiser, assuming that they could get to it; in practice the Battlecruiser would always kill 1 with a single shot (Battlecruisers in StarCraft 1 did 1 big shot instead of a lot of little shots). The problem was that with the selection limit of 12 units regardless of how powerful, it was extremely difficult to coordinate a large enough army of Scourge to take on 12 Battlecruisers -- the Battlecruisers would just 1-shot them all if they weren't perfectly grouped and timed (it has been done but is very rare even at the pro level). Mitigating this was the fact that it was very hard in StarCraft 1 for Terran to tech to Battlecruisers when playing against Zerg (or for that matter Protoss) -- if you could afford to make Battlecruisers, you probably didn't need to.
Protoss Phoenix with their speed and ability to attack on the move might’ve been the only real hard counter to scourge.
I think the thing to do if Scourge were to be reintroduced would be to rebalance their damage type (was untyped in StarCraft 1) and cost so that they would still be effective against capital ships but not against other combat ships.
2:45 - it's Dowadiru!
The swarm guardian is still present in The Lost Viking(the arcade game you could play in wings), a shame it was basically just a guardian from sc1.
The OG infester also got reused for the blightbringer in the Nova covert ops mission “night terrors”.
o right, brilliant.
Yes, it's mostly about competitive ladder :)
I still think the Swarm Guardians model should have been recycled as a co-op unit
The OG Infestor becomes a fan-favorite meme after Dowadiru's debut in Heart of the Swarm 3-Player Co-Op fan campiagn.
you mean Dowadiru cousin
Corruptors and Infestors actually lived up to their name back then.
True
Btw, scourge would, if implemented, likely not have AoE, being having instead high single target damage has a suicide attack, like it does in WoL, in brood war and in coop when it isent upgraded. I do wish they were added since zerg lacks in both the air and anti-air departments, being the race with the least air unit AND the race with the least units that can hit air
But the zerg units that do hit air, are pretty good. Corruptors, Hydralisks and Mutalisks are good Vs Air. Especially Hydras.
@Abel Soo not to mention fungal growth from Infestors.
@@SrMissileMonkey Neural. Literally the anti-capital unit spell.
@@SrMissileMonkey Parasitic Bomb is also powerful against flying units.
@@SrMissileMonkey Ravager ability also
2:44 Our Lord and Savior, Dowadiru!
I think the early viper had an eye that it could give to any unit to make it a detector, but never got to see any video of that mechanic.
That ability sounds nearly identical to the SC1 Queen which was the Zerg's original air spellcaster and could implant a parasite inside any unit, granting you full vision of anything it sees(so you can spy on enemy bases) as well as detection, so it seems natural it would be reused for the Viper. Then it was removed, but at least it was re-implemented in Coop where Stukov can make Brood Queens, which act just like the old SC1 queens. Though now, it also boosts vision range by 5 as well, which since he focuses a ton on spamming huge swarms of cheap but timed infested marines, you can toss a parasite on a marine in the back and let the ones in the front still fight against cloaked/burrowed units just fine.
They're unfortunately not nearly as good as Vipers though. I'd imagine they'd be great in multiplayer, but Coop scales everything up so far that of all the possible ways to play Stukov with his unit comps and mastery/prestige choices, they are really an entirely optional unit in all but one comp, Prestige 3 Bunker spam where they more serve to just delete stuff like Siege tanks or Colossi via Spawn Broodling.
@@Late0NightPC My understanding was that the Viper's ability was to place it on your own units instead of the enemies and it would be a detector but maybe the sc1 queen ability was what they had in mind. I never saw it in play so really wouldn't know.
To think we almost had an iconic unit that would prevent low level toss and Terran from turtling one base and trying to max capitals. What a shame that would have been.
Infestors have neural
You have a problem with my raven and seige tank?
use swarm host 😊
The guy who doesn't know he has corruptors and infestors:
Blizzard and balance have never existed in the same universe, but it's funny to think just how much worse it was in hots. It's why I quit the game back then. HotS balance was a fucking disaster.
I miss that Corruptors were able to corrupt enemies on kill, turning them into turrets. :(
Oh yes, that's an alpha version feature
Scourges were in sc1, since units controlled were limited to 12, it made sense (though they would still be hard countered a by sc1 battlecruisers who could kill them in 1-2 hits depending on upgrades), not only that, they didn't have splash damage. Scourges would be considerably stronger in sc2 without the unit control cap, as evidenced by their use in zagaras co op army, which added splash damage to boot
You forgot to mention another important difference that makes Scourge way stronger in SC2 (Zagara's army in Co-op is also proof of this): in SC1, you could dive any number of Scourges against a unit as long as its "death" animation hasn't occurred. This means that you can overkill units, wasting the excess scourge (for example, a muta dies from 2 scourge connections in SC1, but you can have, say, 10 scourges hit that muta before its death animation kicks in and it dies). This was corrected in SC2, so you cannot waste Scourge by for example ordering your army to connect on a single air unit.
Everything else is correct except for one thing: Battlecruisers in SC1 didn't hard counter scourge, it was the other way around (and they pretty much hard counter everything on air except perhaps valkyries and corsairs). For the cost of a Battlecruiser you can get 5-6 scourge eggs, meaning 10-12 Scourges (depending on how you consider the gas cost compared to mineral cost), each egg takes up 1 supply (vs 6 from a BC) they take way less time to build and only 5 have to connect to kill the BC. Even though the BC with just 1 weapon upgrade can one-shot scourges, their rate of fire is not high so a BC will kill 1, maybe 2 scourges before the rest dive in and kill it, so usually you only need to build 6-8 to take down a BC efficiently.
@@Crateron1 I meant in the sense that 12 battle cruisers can deal with a near infinite amount of scourges, at the very least far more than 400.
@@spooneater9001 400 scourge would absolutely DEMOLISH 12 BCs. I get your point, but that is not the definition of a hard counter. A hard counter is a unit that can kill way more of a certain other unit in terms of cost (money cost and supply cost), assuming other things are equal (build time of the supply-equivalent, positioning with regards to terrain, upgrades, etc.). There are very few actual hard counters in SC1 I think (like scourge to BCs or vultures to zealots, although the latter can be disputed in a scenario of non-microing the units), and a few more in SC2 (like hellbats to zerglings). Everything else is actually soft counters (meaning that
Now, back to the Scourge. What makes scourge seem weak against large BC numbers is that they are hard to micro to avoid overkills, it can be tricky to have the right number of Scourges to take out whatever number of BCs the opponent has (while also not having too much scourge), and to be efficient you cannot rely on the unit AI to just A-move, you have to micro the scourge. So yes, Scourge in SC2 would have been much stronger than in SC1 but that's not because of the absence of hard counters compared to SC1, but rather because of how much easier the mechanics are to use them effectively.
@@Crateron1 I'd show you if I still had my sc1 install disc, but...it's why they went with tiny pew pew lasers in sc2 rather than that long girthy laser attack of sc1 having a large mass of flying 500hp hammers was borderline unstoppable without spells. I'm certain you're right about corsairs, but I've never seen that many in action in my games.
Excellent work and content man. Really enjoyed the trio of deleted units videos!
Love your videos, but the queen bro, the queen! The initial concept of queen was similar to a mothership core, it was big, you could build only one and it could nydus itself to each given bases.
its weird that you only see the toned down sunken colony once in the hydralisk evolution mission during HotW
*_1 minute of silence for the Infested Marine_*
Don't forget briefly in alpha stage Reapers had stim. Back when they could focus down buildings with their grenades. Yeah. That was wild.
The third unit look like Dowadiru tho :v
Really like the swarm guardian design. I hope that they will be back in the future expansion, but now have Air to Air attack and does bounce damage same as mutalisk. Fix the "zerg have no aoe" meme, and also make Mutalisk not so much of mass or miss kind of unit anymore. I mean what the point of MUTAlisk when they themselves can't mutate?
Future expansion? In your dreams pal
Muta mutated into guardian or devourer in BW...time for us to go back to SC1 ;)
legacy of void is last sc2 expansion we will not get new expansion
Scourge were not splash units originally. They added that for some stupid reason.
Not only that but in broodwar they also overkill if you dont control them, making them extremely not cost effective if you a-move them. They were more assasination units than combat units.
I dont mind scourge with better pathing and no overkilling, but the splash is unneccesary.
And people think Protoss is basic... it took them so many redesigns and even then they came only after they tried to copy paste the race into SCII.
As a Terran with Tele-BC, I think it's really time to bring back the scourge. Terran air is VERY hard to punish.
Neural. Corruptors are BC hard counter. Hydras with microbial cover can just walk into bases.
Make more infestors noob
As a Protoss, *laughs in Tempests and Voids and Phoenix and Carrier*
NGL the design the of swarm guardian looks cool
True
3:15 Imagine this unit in the campaign. Would be interesting if used in WOL, HOTS and NCO.
I personally wish we could still infest buildings
I had completely forgotten that those wierd beetles were ever infestors, as well as the old abilities.
I want scourges, corrupters are terrible really against any air!
They are indeed
they could had included the scourge nest in zerg campaign to multiplayer game but just nerf it even more. it will be a cool one time static arial defense for the zerg.
someone in your last video commented on a bunch of other things zerg almost had. for example, different nydus worms, queens upgrading and so on.
Yes, I'll cover that next in redesigned units
I am contempt uwu
But scourge were planned for development? Fascinating! :0
I wish a game would allow a build-your-own type critter economy. Some units would be:
- Scourge: small air frame + explosive charge
- Baneling: small ground frame + explosive charge
- Zergling - small ground unit + melee attack + speed - hit points
- Hydralisk - small ground unit + ranged attack
This way you would have players first starting off as Zerg and attacking. They can use existing Zerg units, or design their own creatures. Later on when they play as the Zerg opponent you would have to deal with either existing Zerg units, or whatever custom units the player designed. The best designs might even be uploaded to the main company server, and those upgrades get sent around for other players to fight. it would also allow for the company to tweak the costs of different Zerg components to make the game more 'fair'. I.e. the Scourge might have a toned-down explosive charge, reduced armor, or even develop a rapid-fire anti-air ability for other factions.
Would be hard to balance though. I also liked the idea of zerg mutations in sc2 hots campaign
@@EsportsStoryteller True, it would need a lot of testing to get rough numbers. You'd probably first make it as a freeware game of build-a-bug, then use the data from that to make the prices for the real game.
This is why SC2 is not going to be topped anytime soon, and definitely not by Stormgate, which is being built up front for multiplayer, and isn’t considering units like this that are really fun, but too broken for 1v1.
But these units are bombastic and crazy, and so fun for campaign. It helps build the world, and makes you want to play the game. Every good RTS is built for campaigns with big bombastic armies, and then whittled down for 1v1. Blizzard knew how to do this so well, and cared about the world as much as we do.
Many SC2 units were deleted from Starcraft Remastered's final release.
where infested bunker? the unit that was presented in a teaser trailer at the beginnings of starcraft 2
They could have save the infestation ability I suppose. I mean, Queen in Brood War had it. It was rarely ever used in competetive match, but it was there.
Im not too familiar with SC1 so I wanna ask.
How balanced was scrourge in Broodwar?
Cus from this vid they seems absolutely broken.
They are perfectly fine. Micro is difficult in broodwar, sort of balancing everything.
Well, in general air is not that popular in SC1 as it is in SC2, scourge are cool for Zerg cause they can destroy big air armies without investing too much larva or supply cuz they don't have injects, and ground Zerg is way better than sky so it's better for them if the enemy plays ground too.
Broodwar is very, very coherent.
Protoss and Terran have easily available and GOOD air-air splash.
Valkyrie’s shoot Liberator missiles like a machine gun and Corsairs are in Sc2 and can kill a scourge before it can reach them.
They were perfect. Broodwar was perfect.
Just wish Blizz would make SC3 or something to make a change of units in general, but that's not going to happen at least any time soon.
Do you reckon they would be as bold as to maybe add a unit to each race in sc2 for multiplayer?
Maybe they should have gone with a C&C 3 style and make two different Terran/Protoss/Zerg factions, one using the old BW units and the other using the SC2 units and allow players to choose the one they like the most.
Scourge were balanced in broodwar, cause you couldn't just a-move (all of them would blow up on one unit).
You're right. Not to mention wasting then on interceptors :).
Am I wrong or during the start of HoTS. Tempests were totally different. Their attacks are good vs "many" instead of Capital Ships.
True, at least in beta
Damn I forgot about swarm guardians. I thought they added them at some point. Maybe early liberty beta ? Also those early infestors were pretty cool. Wish they'd just try new things or allow us to try out their ideas. Highly doubt they'll make another SC, than again rts games are on the rise.
They should have let given Zerg a scaled down form of the Leviathan from the campaign as a zerg capital ship, maybe limit them to 1 at a time like the mothership
I have a better idea for a scaled-down Leviathan. It's weaker than the Battlecruiser and the Carrier, cheaper at slightly low cost and 5 supply, but at least it deals AOE splash damage to both ground and air units. And massable to fit the Zerg's swarmy doctrine.
oh sorry they butchered mothership, now the ship become useless, only use it is for recall units, at this point i prefer arbiter
i enjoy your vids very much mr esports storyteller
what about the infested terran buildings that walk?
What about aberation? I think it would be cool to have it in multiplayer.
these were starcraft 1 units and abilities for some of these
The reason that scourge worked in broodwar is because the AI is dumb theoretically you could use all 200 of them on one air unit if they are stacked correctly
Where as in SC2 the AI is a lot smarter
Yet another banger baby
They should rework Scourges not remove.
New Scourges should be parasite ground or air units like Infestors.
Pretty cool video
Where are the abberations?
im glad they went w brood lords instead of guardians, gotta get those tanks to friendly fire somehow
Its almost like the opposite of a sequel. I guess Blizzard was too busy abusing their employees to bother
bro all of these are just sc 1 units that got re-worked. infestors were just defilers without devour.
I like how 90% of the scourge clips are from tya's videos.
The old infestor is the thing in miner evac
Artosis probs celebrating in silence about the scourges…
We need Scourge now, we needed it 10 years ago. What the hell!
No, we don't.
@@titocristobal5573 Uh huh . you people are the same that didn't think we needed Lurkers or Guardians. smh
Its insanely hard to defend against scourge, even in StarCraft 1 where you can actually need to micro the scourge....
I can literally focus all my attention on AI controlled scourge and i still take damage like 50% of the time 😂😂😂
I hate infestor it can capture unirts for 11 seconds only
Scourge would be so good vs interceptors
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These are all units in campaign and some in co-op.
I think scourge is not that powerful in Starcraft1. The AI of the scourge in Starcraft 1 dosen't perform that smart in the game, it probably needs a few second to aiming, they're normally just roaming around for a while before hitting the target. Secondly, the scourge always overkill the target. For example, if the battlecruiser need 4 scourges to kill, but you select a dozzen of scourges to that battlecrusier, they might just kill themself, like how baneling works in Starcraft 2.
where's the infested bunker?
Looks like you didnt know of SC/BW scourges ? BC took them down with 1 shot. But SC II BC is a weakling. Guardians were the same in SC I/BW. BL is bad design free unit combo. Check out SC I defiler.
Scourge worked in sc1, how could they not work in sc2. If they just remade sc1 with sc2 engine, call it BW2 then merged them for custom games. I'd pay 100 bucks for that.
im from the future, you forgot 1. the queen .
I'll make a separate video about redesigned units
For channel named esport storyteller all you cover is only sc2? (N ot that i complaining. Just saying)
I'm gonna cover more games soon, aoe4 will be next week and other genres will be slowly included throughout the year
@@EsportsStoryteller Ok. maybe cover some small Esport? Like for some reason Stardew valley have a Tournament :D . Anyway looking forward for you next release. Good luck!
@@silluete wow, I would never believe stardew valley has a tournament. Played it with my wife and it seemed like a really calm family game
dont give zerg cabal any ideas
I kinda miss the scorpions from brood war, they had a really great design. I wish they appeared atleast in co-op
Defilers? Devourers?
@@blacklight4720 Defilers I think yeah
in fact dark swarm was too strong. in sc1 dark swarm is OP and the only reason its not winning you ever ZvT is the fact that spellcasters in sc1 are awful to control
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You didnt play starcraft one did you? I also noticed this in another video of yours. Scourge was from starcraft one. Its understandable that they tried to add it to the sequel.
So much Tya channel cuts
Yes, he's mentioned
friend where is defiler!!!11 lurker darkswarm #1
Defiler was only in nova covert ops and was never considered for multiplayer :(
@@EsportsStoryteller 😢
What accent, u from russia?
Yes, my native language is Russian, currently live in Armenia
Zerg don't delete, they recycle :)
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scourge was completely worthess in SC1.
the SC 2 developers are such virgins...