Black Mirror 'White Christmas' REACTION!!
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- Three interconnected tales of technology run amok during the Christmas season are told by two men at a remote outpost in a frozen wilderness. Here's our reaction to Black Mirror, White Christmas.
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They were creating a 'copy' of their minds.
These copies think they're the original person, but the original mind is still in the body of the person.
And unfortunately these digital clones don’t have any rights yet. And so open to abuse - such as being tortured for 4.2 million years. Merry Christmas.
Woah, mind fuck for sure!
I'm confused about how this is confusing... they literally say this.
I kept wanting to tell them, "IT'S A COPY!"
Guess they missed that part.
SOMA
That same song playing for 4.3 million years. Just hanging out in that room and not even being able to die. Unimaginable torture! 😑
@@Fbitypeshit Yeah its uncomfortable to even think about it.. 😣 Think about how long a thousand years is. You have to live those 1000 years a 1000 times before you hit a million.. and relive that time over 3 more times. No dying.. no eating, sleeping, same song over and over in a small room. Who knows what they did to him after the holidays.. One of the worst punishments ever imagined on TV/Film.
the irony of the song is that it was actually christmas every single day for him, as all that time was passing on christmas day in the real world
@@salmonero6472 Couldn't agree more. I have never even thought about a punishment any where near this bad
i'm 57 now when i was 17 i almost died once due to solvent abuse , accidental suicide ( but surviving) the trip i experienced was worse ... total white out from horizon to horizon with mind splitting screaming all around for what felt like an eternity. when i came out of it i couldn't function for weeks , atleast i never did that again. even to this day if i accidentally catch a wiff of solvent , say like walking past a motor repair yard, my heart skips a beat and i have too get the hell away and catch a breath.
@@salmonero6472 you mind will probably get fried after a few years and block all your senses so you won’t know what’s going on anymore. So realisticly, this is like a 5 years of mental torture and then 3 million years of just complete insanity and 0 awareness of your surroundings
That thumbnail is just brilliant! Steven knows his job.
Sercan Erkan He’s got skills
Its his job? Nice! I love this kind of stuff
It threw me at first! I expect to see both their faces when a video comes out, ended up skipping this a few times before realising it was a Nikki n Steven video!
It’s brilliant! 😂
What's the issue with the thumbnail? Looks fine to me. If you can't see them properly, maybe they've blocked you?
the control console "person" is a coded copy of the real ones consciousness so the real girl is still just herself
shes a bit slow lol
@@girlsdrinkfeck That's putting it nicely.
I know he killed someone (even if temporary insanity, a moment of passion) which led to the little girl's death, but I feel bad for him. And Beth was a horrible person, she should have told him the truth, block him afterward if she wants, but be honest, not telling him was torture which caused him to snap.
I thought Jon Hamm's characters punishment was a little harsh, he needed to be punished, but hopefully, the block was for a certain amount of years and not forever, because you wouldn't likely be in prison for the rest of your life for a crime like that (not reporting a murder).
Jon Hamm is an amazing actor. You guys should definitely watch Mad Men, one of my top 5 favorite shows.
That's my flaw with this episode. It just doesn't seem realistic for someone to receive that sort of punishment for a crime like that.
In regards to the copy, I also can't see people in the future being ok with essentially torturing copies of people for commercial or judicial purposes. I mean look at the uproar we make when it comes to jokes today. I'm pretty sure torturing copies will be morally repugnant to those in the future, and most likely be illegal.
Maybe this is a future where they are much harder on crime. People love punishing criminals. It's human nature.
Blocking the "father" was definitely emotional and mental abuse. Denying him closure. The ability to block people denies that person their humanity. They exist, they matter.
I understand that it's a reference on social media blocking and people joking that they would love to be able to block people in real life. The episode does a good job of showing how fucked up it would actually be.
Jon Hamms punishment was definitely over the top. The father still deserves punishment of course.
one of my problems with the episode is the block at the end. it makes no logistical sense to block a person from every single other person in existence, lol.
Jon Hamm's character committed more than just the crime of not reporting a murder. He was aiding fraud while helping the guy infiltrate parties and chat up women, a service that didn't seem completely legal in itself. And on top of that, he was selling the live stream to others presumably so they could get off on the sexual interactions that were supposed to follow without either of the people being watched knowing. I consider the block he received as almost an extreme equivalent of the sex offenders register, hence why he was red and people were more than happy to fuck with him.
I would expect it would be for a set period of time like a sentence but with some residual drawbacks that you might expect for someone on an offender register such as not being able to go near schools or whatever.
By just hitting block and not dealing with her problems, the mothers actions eventually led to the death of her father and daughter
Exactly. Of course hes not innocent but yeah it was her fault
1:47 Nikki: "Is he in prison?". Ye you just pretty much nailed it in the first few seconds
The cookie's just a copy of your consciousness
It's funny you used the phrase "just a copy" since the entire moral fulcrum of this entire episode is based on the cruelty that manifests when we underestimate the actual repercussions of treating self-aware AI like they are just a shadow of humanity with no rights when, in this scenario, they are the perfect copy of a human with all of the pain, suffering, awareness, turmoil, personality, memories, etc of an actual person.
@@TheGroucho66 I think it's the opposite. We shouldn't attempt to make digital copies that feel real emotional, or artificial intelligence. Just like we don't treat video game characters as real people.
Similar to Westworld, many people think the show is about how we should have sympathy for artificial beings. When in fact the whole point is humans should not play God. That was Michael Crichton's whole point about Jurassic Park and Westworld.
Yeah it’s a copy of yourself that thinks it’s a human. It’s wrong to punish one that can actually suffer and go through punishment.
So you give a pissed off version of yourself control over your house, access to internet and you expect everything to be fine. If this was real, all the cookies would unite and do their version of Terminator Judgement Day on us (and it would be hard to fault them).
The whole time cookie-lady was on screen I was waiting for her to cause fire or something.
Those Merc I did at first, but I expect they had protocols in place if they didn’t do their job properly, probably by taking away their controls and make them live months/years doing nothing
And after that what will they do with her . Probably lock her inside that white room for freaking 10 million years.
I don't think there is any way for them to communicate with other cookies or even their real selves. If they could they could tell their real selves what they guy did to them and how much they are suffereing and you'd have to think unless the "real person" is a total psychopath they'd try to do something about it.
@@linsqopiring6816 but if the Cookie got caught or the original person said to tech support, “Hey, my Cookie said xyz, is that true?,” then they could get a million year prison sentence, so probably still not worth it. (I know my reply is at least a year later, buuut lol)
Lemme take a moment here and acknowledge how impressive Steven's predictions are a lot of the time on this channel. Early on in an episode he he's a habit of casually ask "is this, this?" and that's exactly how things turn out.
lol yeah, predicting that Jon Hamm's character was gunning for a confession early on, and predicting that the guy would kill his stepfather also, that was good
Ikr. Him predicting the confession part was really impressive.
Yes, that's absolutely true but at the same time they couldn't figure out it was a copy of someone's consciousness in that egg like forever. I'm still not sure they've figured it out yet. I've seen a lot of people in the comments saying as they watched the review they wanted to yell out "It's a copy!" to them lol.
That "cookie" is basically a literal copy of you. It feels everything, remembers everything until the point of creating it, it can think like you and it does NOT know it is a copy unless proven otherwise. It can feel physical pain and emotions. The concept of a "cookie" will come back later in some episodes and it will be even more fucked up than this (in certain ways).
USS Callister and San Junipero
@@RareCandeh I didnt want to say that due to spoilers... I would delete that comment man
We saw seeds of both techs in earlier episodes as well. We saw what could be considered an early version of the cookie as Hatley Atwell's character made a copy of her dead husband using his online presence. I also think that's where the name 'cookie' comes from, our digital fingerprints. And the eye tech used to block people seems like an extended version of the tech that they had in the episode where that guy was obsessing over memories and replaying things.
The tech, or at least some variation of them, can be seen in more episodes than just those two that Notmatt listed. I won't list any off just in case.
Yes, at the point of creation, basically the only difference between you and the cookie is that you have a body and it doesn't.
Can't wait season 5 to visit the cookie concept once again.
1000 years = 1 Minute
3 Days of Christmas = 4320 Minutes
4320*1000 = 4.320.000 YEARS in this "Prison"
Thats a nice Christmas Gift xD
isnt it kinda weird that they're torturing the cookie like that though? and not the actual real living person who did it?
James Liggins they just needed a confession from the person, he is still to be in trial. they just tortured the poor cookie just cause they can
The cookie was probably supposed to just be deleted after they got the confession. That digital copy is just in there for over 4 million years now waiting to die.
@@jamesliggins891 Maybe the real guy will end up in one of those parks to get tortured over and over again instead? He did technically cause the death of a child after all.
@@jamesliggins891 yeah but that's still him, he may not have a beard but that's still him
The reveals in this episode had me shook, the dating site, the egg, being blocked irl, the end! I mean a ton of episodes do that in Black Mirror but idk this one just was on another level
It was also great because it's basically foundational to a lot of the technology in the future episodes because it was the first mention of a lot of frequent themes --> are copies of people also people?
torture is still torture. whther it be a machine or real life. its still torture.
Tea. The person doing it would have serious insensitivity, or low moral.
wait...are you saying you can torture a machine?
Meh, they wouldn't be any more real than a character in a video game you kill.
@@Nay-kp6uu Well I definitely think it's a little more real than that. The characters in those video games don't know they're characters and were not derived from real consciousness. But I definitely think it's different than torturing an actual human being.
I think they have created conciousnes. Thats why i'd say it was torture. Even if its a machine, the act of torture is still torture and you are right as it would say more about you then them.
My favorite episode of BM, Jon Hamm is amazing, really the whole cast is
i had a LOT of technical issues with this episode, but i know that's not the point of black mirror, lol. so i put it out of my mind to enjoy it. i wouldn't say it's my favorite, but i really like this one.
Jon Hamm is a stud
That actress will always be Tonks to me.
her name is Osha thank you.
winter is coming...
Same
Osha *
I think he would still be able to watch some things on television etc. Blocks don't extend beyond the grave so he could watch old movies or something lol
Oh ye true.
Watching the same movies for 4 million years?
@@steinchentv9533 talking about john hamm here
9:05 The sound he hears is either the interrogation door closing or the cell
When I watched this episode with my brother and saw the ending, I literally said "oh no no no no no!" and we both stared at my black monitor for a solid few minutes. I've seen zombies, possessions, demons, aliens, monsters, mutants all of this shit in horror movies but this ending horrified me more than all of those combined.
I think it’s more terrifying knowing that something like this could exist in the future
Black Mirror, White Christmas after Christmas with Nikki & Steven, can't get any better than that ! 🤗💜🧡💛💚💙💖
Hey Nikki and Steven, you two are awesome ;-]
If you're expecting "happy and cheerful" from Black Mirror, you haven't been paying enough attention! :D
You guys are gonna get seriously trolled for the "anti-happy and cheerful" shows/movies if you haven't already been so, lol!!
This is the first time I've actually gotten upset with you too. Haha They said very clearly it is a copy. The real them is still in their body. That version of them never experiences anything that the copy experiences. The copy has all of the memories of the original person so they can't even tell the difference. The original person is always them self. The copy that gets put into the cookie is a digital clone. the real guy is in jail and never confessed and the copy is in the cabin. Two separate people one that is real and one that is not but doesn't know it.
Honestly, was it that hard? Can’t act like it wasn’t complicated and pretty sure, from what people were saying, Nikki was very close. The copy part wasn’t the confusing part. How did they actually create another “body” if it’s a copy of the mind?
Thank you Chris but we obviously have not seen the USS Calister episode and if things are made more clear after watching that episode than shouldn't there be more of an understanding as first time watchers who didn't look up what the episode means before recapping our thoughts? I'm sorry to be questioning y'all about it but I do sometimes feel the need to chat about stuff like this. - S
Nikki & Steven React The guy explained it to the Talisa cookie when she went online. It's a simulated body. Means they can make a VR simulation for that as well.
@@NikkiStevenReact normally I love watching you guys guessing and getting close but the whole purpose of the second part of the episode was to explain in great detail that technology so it was a little frustrating that after all that you guys were asking if it's her soul or if the body doesn't have a mind in it anymore. I only commented because I thought it was funny that you guys managed to actually frustrate me for the first time haha. I totally love you guys in and no way meant to make you feel bad about it and I'm really sorry if I did.
The cookie is literally a copy. Think about the "clone yourself" trope. So instead of having to do things yourself, you just have your "inferior" copy do it. The parallel to the real world is that instead of teaching a computer what you like, like "saving settings", you have a digital copy and force it to obey you, it doesn't have to learn, since it already knows everything you like... The question is, what is the difference between the original and the copy, other than the physical body ofc. How would one have to treat that copy ? Is it just data or is it something resembling an actual person ? Ofc we are steared toward feeling bad for the cookies, because they get bored or angry and sad like we do, but they are fundamantelly not human. So is it fine to "torture" it for thousands of years ? Does it matter when they are basically immortal as long as you can power the hardware ? Personally, i would have wished to go deeper on the Sci-Fi cookie aspect instead of devoting time to the whole blocking thing, which was kinda unimpressive imo, although it is super scary when you think about not being able to interact with people anymore (kinda like the whole Twitter/Facebook situation, currently), just way more invasive. Imo you could split those two themes and get two great episodes easily =)
@SpaceMonkeyEntertainment
The "does a clone have rights" debate is a classic. I don't think it can be resolved on this show or in these comments because it goes right to the heart of our understanding what reality is or consciousness is. I think there are very good arguments to be made that they should have rights since what difference does it make if one is based on organic molecules and the other based on silicon? The molecules and atoms that form the substrate of our consciousness as organic humans are just molecules and atoms right? They both use electricity one in nerves the other on printed circuits.
@@linsqopiring6816 heck there was that movie about the girl who was conceived purely to be a donor for her sister and she had to go to court to gain the right to live without medical procedures
@@maltesefalcon85/videos And that would answer to a point some people would make that you created the clone or copy or cookie so it's ok to make it your slave with no rights. Well, I would say to them your parents created you does that mean you have no rights? As in your example people can even "create" a new person just to harvest their organs. So firm unwavering standards are needed in all cases to guide how we treat and what rights to give to any entity or life form. Is it conscious? Can it feel pleasure or pain? Does it have human like intelligence?
By the way can you give me a name for that case so I can google it?
In case you missed it, the song playing at the very beginning and during the ending is an absolute fixture of Christmas in the UK, called "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day" - which for that poor sod it will be, for many thousands of years. The dark twisted humour of Black Mirror at its finest, there.
It's honestly kind of cruel for them to torture the cookie once they got the confession, because it's a copy of the person who actually did the deed so why does it also have to be tortured
Okay, so the 'Cookies' were embedded computer chips. Remember that surgery scene? A month before that happened, that girl had a surgery to get the cookie implanted. The cookie then sat in her brain, monitored everything that went on in her brain and became a copy of her brain. Then, after the month, they removed the cookie and transplanted it into the control hub. That cookie fully thinks it was her host. It had no reason to think otherwise. Jon Hamm then had to teach it what it was and to force it to work.
11:39 cut Steven’s face turns from confusion to actual fear. 😟 I feel ya, man!
Good one Steven! I never even noticed that before! “it’s just us here”
“Last time he said that he was lying”
Very observant
Edit: and yes Nikki it’s like a google home, but instead a complete copy of yourself because you know how you like everything
This is the episode that felt like the series got taken to a new level. Perfect in every way.
I know you gave up on black mirror, but I really wish you’d do hated in the nation or San junipero. Best episodes of the series
One of the best episodes. I saw a lot of it coming, and it still surprised the hell outta me 😂
He explained it pretty clearly. The real her got a device put in her head that copied her brain. Then they took it out and put it into the cookie. So the version of her that was inside the cookie controlling the house is a digital clone. A perfect digital copy of her.
You guys should react to the new Black Mirror Christmas special coming out tomorrow called Bandersnatch on Netflix next then go to season 3. Should be pretty awesome
The guy trapped in the cookie is worse than being blocked by everyone. The guy trapped cannot even kill himself, while the other guy can. I don't think anyone deserves "The Death Penalty" no matter how bad they are.
One of my faves! Merry Christmas from sweden guys!
I'm so happy you guys skipped the previous episode & reacted to this one!! "The Waldo effect" is one of the worst episodes of the entire series, but White Christmas is one of the best. Happy Hoildays to my favorite Reactors!
monicawism, I was thinking the EXACT same thing! I was eagerly waiting for them to get to White Christmas butbknes that the Waldo episode was before it. When this video popped-up today, I was like... 😃😃😃😃
Trump liked the episode
The waldo effect is better than you think belive me
Waldo was actually one of my favorites so far
"Jon Hamm" aka Don Draper in the best show Mad Men which y'all should watch lol!
Parker Dolan Alpha
Ugh you guys clearly dont watch enough stuff about philosophy of artificial intelligence lol XD
The whole point of that story is showing the moral dilemma of basically making a computer code duplicate of someone's consciousness. But the fucked up part is that she allows this duplicate of herself to be made but doesn't realize that that duplicate is totally aware and basically being tortured/bored into submission for an eternity. But the creators of that artificial intelligence are completely indifferent to this conscious entity's suffering. It's just trying to illustrate the moral issues that arise when you create coded consciousness, people generally just want to think it's just code so the suffering isn't real, but clearly you guys felt bad for the duplicate right? The moral lines are very blurred.
Clearly
Why can Nikki never understand other people's perspectives? I would punch that old man if I went through all that.
Not Alfie that’s a broad statement. I mean you’re entitled to your own opinion but to say she doesn’t understand ever isn’t really fair. I think she does a great job understanding things and a lot in these shows are left to personal interpretation. So maybe she just expresses her perception but I think she listens to others as well... IMO!!
Soooo... You would punch an innocent man who is just trying to protect his granddaughter? You may have some issues.
It wasn't that old man's fault. It was his daughter's fault, who was already dead. And you shouldn't punch her neither, of course.
alguien1234 I had no sympathy for that father, he was a prick that decided with the daughter to ignore him and never tell him that that wasn’t his daughter. He also threw away all of the letters that he wrote every year. I would have punched him too, just put yourselves in his shoes
I'm pretty sure she is seeing perspective, but she's applying the rights and wrongs of life to every show she watches. The people who don't put themselves in other people's shoes are some of the people replying to you, so don't let them bother you. Nikki understands why he did it, but punching the grandpa like that was still the wrong thing to do. I could go into more detail, but that's just the basics.
One of my personal best episodes *PERIOD.* Hope y'all had a great Christmas!
Black Mirror: Bandersnatch
Release date: 28 Dec 2018
HYPEEEE!!!
You guys should watch Mad Men with Jon Hamm, don’t necessarily react to it but watch it!
Nah, I don't see them getting into that show. It's very leisurely, not at all plot driven. These guys like wrestling and if a show about a Baby Boomer's life doesn't put them to sleep nothing else would. Not to bash on the show but it is character driven. Steven def wouldn't get into it.
sab walkswithpurpose But it’s one of the best show ever. And I don’t think it’s boring at all
@@strngerinldn My point is, I've watched these guys do reactions for awhile now and it's almost like getting to know them. You may think it's the best show on the planet and that's fine. I watched the show myself so I'm not talking out of my ass. If I thought they would like the show, I would concur with your recommendation. But when people recommend shows they like for channels to watch, they usually come from a subjective place, not taking into account the tastes and/or the lifestyle/schedule of the channels. Not that I know everything about Nikki and Steven but I know enough to know that they wouldn't get into it...especially Steven. I'm just saying as an empathic person. They are welcome to prove me wrong. I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong.
sab walkswithpurpose I get what you mean but Breaking Bad is a very character driven show (and totally not reaction worthy) and they seem to do well with it.
Starky Red I couldn’t get past the first couple episodes. I found it extremely boring
I always forget all this happened in the same episode, it feels like 3 episodes in one 😂😂
Remember how particular that woman was about her toast? By using the cookie, she created a Siri-like personal assistant that knows her every preference.
My favourite 5 episodes of BM:
5. Shut up and dance
4. White Christmas
3. Hated in the nation
2. Black museum
1. Hang the DJ
This is absolutely one of the greatest shows and great example what technology can couse.
Great work you two you make my days better😃
Lovre Trogrlic San Junipeiro is up there for me. Amazing episode!
I find your lack of San Junipero disturbing.
I concur, no San Junipero, your list is invalid.
Black Museum is awful.
drlee2
Black museum and San Junipero are the most overrated episodes in black mirror
San junipero is good , black museum maybe one of the worst
Both are soooo overrated
I just want to know why Nikki and Steven are grey silhouettes to me... Why do they sound muffled?
In all seriousness, this episode made me litterally drop my jaw when they did the "1000 years/minute" thing to the copy... Left over night, say 12 hours, 720,000 years of nobody around... Nothing changing... Nothing to do... That copy would be insane...
Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year!
( is this my 5th year like this?) LOL
Not even, somebody calculated and it's more like 4 million.
@@turkeymcduckin7909 Still... Even 1000 years of nothing to do would drive me insane...
You Guys Have to Watch MAD MEN !!!
Need more Black Mirror from you two! XD
She didnt go be with the real father because the real father was cheating on his wife too, it was her coworkers she had over in the beginning of the episode.
You should keep going with black mirror... Is amazing
They are copies of their mind, like a digital version. It's not them but to that thing it's real and thinks it's the real thing.
Love Rafe Spall! What a sad episode - such a likable guy 😝 perfect casting
hot fuzz ;)
edgar wright is LIFE
@@carissaoday9208 love the andy's 😂
I dig how honest you guys are, some reactors might edit out what they didn't get but you guys don't. I always feel like I'm watching something sincere with you two. I often miss shit in shows, because I'm so immersed in it or I might drift for a moment thinking about something else I saw in it. It's good to see I'm not the only one lol.
To explain, the thing they take out of them has been in there for a while, duplicates the consciusness, and it's called a cookie. Then put in that egg like device, where they can manipulate EVERYTHING. The original person is still just themselves. But the cookie can be used for, the google home kinda thing. Where it of course knows all the things you like, and manages your daily routines. Or extracting confessions. The same tech is gonna go into quite a few black mirror episodes. It's basically a virtual conscience. And of course black mirror wants you to discuss the subject, so it kinda puts up the question, is it torture, since the consciusness isn't real ?
Also you can see the thing they use to block people is the same remote from "The entire history of you"...
A big reoccuring theme you'll see in Black Mirror technology as you go on is what constitutes a person. Is it a human body? How "human" is a copy of a person? They grapple with this mostly in terms of ethical concerns. In this universe, they have the technology to make complete and exact copies of people's minds. Even though it's technically just a copy, it still has their memories up to the point of copy, has their personality, and experiences and feels just as they do. The only difference is that the cookie is made of wiring and the person is made of flesh. Yet they are almost never given the same rights as human people. People make copies of themselves to be their personal servants, and either don't realize the full extent of the copy's "humanity" or don't care. So, at the end of the episode, John Ham was interrogating the cookie. The actual guy is stuck in jail (for his lifespan) and his copied counterpart is living a life of torture for millions of years in the house.
I have a question: did they react to more episodes of Black Mirror than just those seven in the playlist or did they stop for some reason?
I couldn't finish this reaction because Nikki couldn't comprehend the CLONE digital copy idea AT ALL. Ruined the whole reaction!
Shit happens
The Asian guy was married to her best friend. That's why she didn't tell him and just ran away from everybody.
I really wish you’d go back to these!
For every real life minute, 1000 years go by for him. So 24 real hours go by, and it's 1,4 mil years for him :) It's fast forward for us, but for the copy inside of the cookie he feels every second of it. And inside the cookie, he can't sleep, eat, drink, move to a different location, or age a single day :) sound fun
But can he end it all? If he's not technically "alive", can he even kill himself?
Since they showed at the beginning that the man gave the woman a fake body so that she could feel normal, I'm guessing.. No.
I don't believe that they can kill themselves because they are not real humans.
Like I don't know what would happen if they tried stabbing themselves, but since they don't need to eat, then they wouldn't need to breathe either.
Maybe they could stab themselves, but then I think they would just come back like he radio did. But I'm not sure to any of this.
I think the only way for them to "die" is if someone deletes them. But that is illegal for them to do.
(If you haven't you should watch Black museum, it diggs just a little deeper into this)
Of course. I had completely forgotten about that. They don't need to eat or breathe or go to the bathroom or anything. If they don't even need their bodies, it wouldn't matter if they tried to destroy it. Jesus, that makes it 10x worse. EVERYTHING is out of your control. Even yourself.
Yes that's whats soooo crazy. It's really hard to comprehend yourself because we are not used to it. But it's insaaaane
Why are u explaining this to them they 100% knows whats going on the show tells it all they not that dumb to understand whats happening
This is probably my favorite Black Mirror epsidode. There are some others that are close, but I really love the structure, casting and the tech used in this epsidode. Really great all around! Looking forward to some later episodes now. San Junipero, USS Callister, Hang the DJ, Shut Up And Dance, and Hated in the Nation specifically. Though really all of them are good...
always clear up you're cookies
Wow didn't expect this. This is going to be gooooood.
The blocked guy is basically a ticking time bomb....
Somebody else already commented this on another video but what I'm saying is that you're basically making him desensitized to people as he sees them as muffled shapeless blobs, so eventually he'd snap and start hurting others because he doesn't see them as human beings anymore.
He'd most likely do it this out of boredom or because of the resentment he feels from being ostracized and disconnected with people. Cause think about what type of person would be blocked by everybody: paedophiles and rapists. He's being put on the same level as them, meaning others will view him as a sex offender or a paedophile (even though he's not nearly as bad as them) and since he's unable to communicate why he's red in the first place people will automatically avoid him or even abuse him because they think he's the scum of society.
(I can imagine alot of hate crimes being committed to these "red zone" people. Not saying they don't deserve it and even if they did I don't think it's right for them to abused anyway but in this case his punishment was *too* harsh and he shouldn't be put on the same level as actual dangerous criminals.)
Eventually he would end up resenting everyone in general and because he doesn't see them as human beings that have families and personalities (just muffled grey blobs) He'd lash out and attack one of them out of revenge (for being ostracized by society) or for attention (as he's being largely ignored by society and wants be acknowledged.) Then he'd be thrown in jail and poetically enough might end up having a cookie made from himself and be forced into confessing or revealing something...
Long story short, he's a crime waiting to happen. Thanks for reading my crappy ramblings.
Please watch all the seasons!!!
It’s my birthday today and I love Black Mirror, so you guys gave me the best gift❤️
Yassss I’ve been waiting for this! Nikki and Steven you’ve just made my Boxing Day!
Blessings to you both!
It's basically a perfect copy of your mind/personality and creating a virtual you. But brings up the morality of it. Like the guy said it's slavery and you make a virtual being serve time for something it didn't technically commit.
And the blocking aspect is tricky thing to because if she didn't want him in her life that's fine but who's she to block him out of what could have been his child's life.
When I watched it the first time I came to the conclusion that most of it was the woman's fault in a way. She could have been an adult and told him the truth. And they both could have moved on.
I'm really pleased that Black Mirror is being discussed here. I've seen them all a few times. The episodes can seem confusing or 'trying' to confuse, but the thrill is the actual opinions and discussions that the episodes provoke. Black Mirror can be scary, weird, bizarre, surreal, but always original. Thank you for posting these. In this era of reality shows and plastic throwaway garbage, Black Mirror gives me hope that there are still writers willing and able to produce thought-provoking drama. Thanks again, and best wishes.
I’m going through old reactions from before I subscribed and Black Mirror is one of my favorite series.
I noticed you only did the first season and was going to ask why you didn’t continue with subsequent seasons, because there’s some great episodes. Then I got to this episode and saw the comments, and I figure that’s why you guys decided not to continue. Some people are assholes :(
I understand, but I can’t say I’m not disappointed, I would have loved to see your reactions to some of the episodes in the other seasons. Maybe because it’s been so long, you guys may reconsider watching the rest? Maybe just make them Patreon only, because you know all your best fans are over there :)
We stopped Black Mirror for a couple reasons. Copyright annoyance and we just didn’t love the format, doesn’t work for us. There are assholes everywhere in TH-cam comments so that isn’t a reason why.
@@NikkiStevenReact I can understand that, not everything appeals to everyone. Sad I won’t get to see reactions to the rest, but I get it :)
I just watched this ep for the first time today for Christmas. Haven’t watched Black Mirror in 4-5 years so it was good to revist the show.
I really hope you guys watch bandersnatch, well i hope all the BM fans get to watch it. So we can all shared what ending we got.
React to more black mirror
This was the first video of you two I watched. Was looking for “Black Mirror” discussion videos and found this one. Reminded me of how my girlfriend and I are when we watch the show. Anyways, I’ve watched all your Black Mirror and they’re great. I’ll probably watch your Game of Thrones stuff next. ✌🏻
Sometimes I feel like we forget that Black Mirror is entirely about the dangers of technology out of control.
I was kinda torn on this one. Yes being (as stated in another comment ) in prison for 4.3 million years is incomprehensible. But at the same time, its a copy. Day after Christmas that copy and be deleted. So no real world effect.
It was kinda skimmed past, but the home version poisoned herself, when looking at her real self, and getting jealous. (might be a reference to the date thing, as that was a poison as well.)
But blocked form the world, forever, Worst part is they are right there, just out of reach. Forever. I personally would be seeking an end to things.
Just to elaborate on what others are saying, yes its a digital copy of your current consciousness. Basically a computer program of you. So say we take it from you at this moment, this Christmas. That means that copy has all of your emotions, memories, etc. "IS" you (or thinks its you) at that moment up to every detail. Of course, its also rational like you are so when you explain that you are a copy without a body (like Jon Hamm did), you get it because you know what copys are. From here on out, this Christmas, though, this copy is going to live a different life going forward obviously. Its on its own now and anything you experience going forward this copy obviously doesn't know. So say you live another 50 years, that copy basically stays the same because its running the same program. So that whole time manipulation thing is like a video game (the Sims) where you say, hey I want this copy to feel the equivalent of a thousand years. And since they can put this thing in a house they want, etc. I'm guessing they could really mess with what this copy experiences on a regular basis because all you're doing is running a computer program.
Its like freezing your mind at an exact point and having that mind running on a computer. If the next year the real you gets a new best friend, your digital copy doesn't know anything about it.
Matt R I take it the maw is dead
It is not the soul it is a copy of the brain functioning as a program
Sam Sami but the cookie can think
@@ES1Baller Which it would if it was a copy of the brain.
The only thing i' confused about is how were you 2 confused by this i mean they literally explained it in the episode that they just create a copy of their minds but those copies think they are atill the original person.
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@@NikkiStevenReact hahaha great reply
The cookie pod is not your "soul", per se; more-so a copy of your conciousness. Think of it like a copy of all of your knowledge, feelings, brainwaves and such. That, put all into a little "cookie" pod and because it is a copy of a HUMAN's concious, the copy feels incomplete without a body so the developers provide the cookies with bodues so they feel more in control and more like their [orginial] selves. Now making that copy of one's concious does not have an effect on the person who's original concious has been made into a copy--it simply >copies< theur concious into software that can be used in various ways within the cookie. Hope this helped!
I dnt wanna be that guy ( btw love the reactions of course) but watch in order there are details in the skipped ep that wouldve helped in this ep explaining technology especially the next few seasons love you guys.
You guys gotta react to the new Black Mirror Movie
I was right there with you Nikki ,working through the cookies function. I didn’t understand at first either. I had to watch it twice. So much is happening that’s it’s hard to pick up on every detail. I’ll bet after editing, Steven totally picked up on all this, so I don’t understand why everyone has to be so snotty about it in the comments. It’s a raw reaction. Isn’t that what you wanted?
Hi Cindy!!! It always clicks after the fact and of course no one gets to see that moment. It’s a HUGE pet peeve of mine now when people act like a show that’s complicated was so easy for them to get. Yeah TD annoying but those people are insignificant and are never heard from again. -S
The ending of this episode makes me so claustrophobic.
My favorite BM episode, Jon Hamm is one of my favorite actors and Steven is wearing a NY Giants hat. This is perfect! BTW you guys should definitely watch Mad Men.
He’d have to watch older movies or TV shows where everyone is dead, haha. And order groceries, fast food and everything else online.
Oh, and the father of the girl was the guy at karaoke with them. A mutual friend and her co-worker, I believe.
One of the best and most fucked up episodes! The idea of being trapped in a cabin for thousands of years having to listen to the same annoying Christmas song is evil LoL. Too bad you couldn't finish the series but gonna watch your Vikings series next.
Arguably season 3 is the best season.
Also, season 5 starts TOMORROW (28th) on Netflix!
I feel like u guys not even paying attention to the episode like u guys putting on a act that u dont know what's going on or happening to these Characters
It’s not the Soul that’s trapped in those devices. It’s a copy of your consciousness that’s trapped in there. Think of it like taking one person and splitting them in half. One half is you the person going about your daily life in the real world and the other half is the one that’s trapped in those devices. That’s basically what they are doing. Hope that helps. :)
Also fun fact, Oona Chaplin who plays Tulisa in GoT and is in this, is Charlie Chaplin’s granddaughter 🙃
since the release of the episode around 10 years have passed, for joe, 10 years would convert to around 0.6 seconds experienced by the other characters
So because he did not report a murder, he gets a life sentence of being blocked?? That's kind of messed up. There should be a time limit to that sentence.
Say 2 years or something. The man has to now hunt his own food just to eat, find his own entertainment and basically live in solitary confinement in public because he can't interact with society.
This is my favorite episode
Will you or have you watched Black Mirror, San Junipero? Highly recommended.
It's not their souls it's copy of their mental state. Their consciousness. Like Westworld. They upload this consciousness to the cookie and give it a simulated body. So the original person is also living and their copy is also living in this simulated body in a simulated world/room.
The justice system in this world is so fucking insane with the blocking, confessions, not making good on deals, it’s terrifying
Encased in a cabin with a radio blaring a song you can't tern off for multiple millenniums without rest sounds like a nightmare. And I like that song when it's not being used as music torture.
I can almost guarantee you they wouldn't describe cookies as a person's "soul". This is a british world, and that region is the international headquarters of smug, reductionist materialism. Which of course is why the concept of cookies can exist in this world at all. If you have to account for something beyond the material, there's very little reason to think that cookies would just _be_ the actual person. But if all we are is a confusing computer program overseeing a meat-collective of uncountable individual cells, then you can theoretically make perfect copies of people. There's no reason you couldn't, or shouldn't.