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According MelonTee Zoro being an A-hole about other people's feelings is mandatory at every odd arc... To himself when he remembered Kuina after meeting Tashigi To everyone after they left Vivi in Alabasta To Chopper during the Davy Back fight To Ussop after he left the crew To himself again after surviving his fight with Kuma To Perona during the timeskip To everyone again when Vivi was reported missing Yasuie's case was kinda of a exception because his assailant, Orochi was right there... at the reach of his blade... As stoic as he is, instead of lamenting he will enclose himself and be cranky about it... when everyone will permit themselves be indulgent he is the only one that won't... The embodiment of the spring effect... The part about he being the harsh but silly dad to Sanji's loving and caring mom is just her headcanon... Now about Jimbee I think that the context is about how someone as positive and full of life that Luffy is, it feels wrong to see such a guy sad... Like how a parent feels seeing their child cry being unable to do something about it... Até mais ver mr. Poneis
Honestly Akainu showing emotional intelligence and backing off Kizaru was the biggest shock for me this chapter. Kizaru about to borrow one of Akainu's shirts and take some PTO after this
The art of Kizaru with Vegapunk and Saturn reflected in his glasses is some of the best fan art I seen, so after this chapter dropped I had high expectations and was not disappointed.
It's my favorite too. The panel where Vegapunk's dead body reflected in Kizaru's glasses in this chapter makes the artwork even more awesome in retrospect. Almost the before and the after.
When the guy who is always calm and stoic loses their temper and composure then people tend to take notice. Someone like Akainu losing his temper is an everyday thing nothing would really stick out compared to any other day. Someone like Kizaru losing it though then you know exactly how hard something is effecting them.
Eeghead is burning and we see kizaru on a ship looking towards the burning island and crying for his actions. He built this island with vegapunk this means a lot to him. The dark shading of oda was something else in this one kizaru panel. Beautiful done by goda
I think while the OP community can dislike Zoro's reaction in chapter 1124, it was in character for him. He has shown in the past that his way of expressing emotions is to be MORE stoic, to be MORE angry, and to lash out/blame others. When he gets lost, he doesn't think he is lost, he asks why everyone else is lost. When Sanji left the crew, he chose to insult Sanji instead of cry or express anger. Zoro also spent less time with each of the VP than any other strawhats. Zoro also was stalled by Lucci. Zoro was taunted by Lucci. Zoro probably blames himself for not finishing the Lucci fight fast enough. Zoro probably blames himself for not being on the battlefield when the Five Elders, the buster call, and the LIGHTMAN Admiral attacked. Zoro never got to redeem himself for losing to Kisaru. Zoro doesn't know how to process and express all that he feels in any other way than lashing out. As Sanji and Luffy has said before Zoro's too hard on himself.
He's not being hard on himself though is he, he's being hard on luffy, the guy he's supposed to support with his entire being. It comes across as very strange, and there's a real chance this is just a one off sentence that won't get explored. I hope it gets explored because if not it's just very weird
Agreed. I think Zoro would much rather have a sword to the gut than experience emotional pain. Luffy hurting is hurting Zoro. To your point, Zoro may not have known Vegapunk well, but he knows the meaning of a promise and keeping one's word.
@marius8930 he's being supportive by telling his captain to shape up. Zoro has always been the one to check Luffy, this is very in character for him. He literally told Luffy to shut up about trying to save Vivi after Wano. Idk what yall are on about
i also think zoro is most realistic of the bunch knowing that you cannot always save everyone, and sulking and moaning about it is not gonna help, besides, he acts verry diffrently on his emotions then luffy does.... and like said before, zoro just wants to hold luffy accountable and literally might not fully understand why luffy is so upset about this "old man" dying. and i just think he dislikes when luffy does not act liike himself.
people hate too much. for example i said it already but Jimbe saw luffy in another state. I was shocked (i didnt read egghead just know spoilers) that luffy even felt sad about not fulfilling a goal. Luffy never said his goal was to save his pals outright when he lost them, this is the first time he failed without coming through eventually. This is the first he's ever besides filler said sorry that he didnt fufill another's dream. This is bigger than people make it, this might be a hint that he wont get one piece and people will cry one piece is trash cause they dont get their happy ending. lol. Jokes aside it is known luffy never thinks internally with words in comic...this is the closet he got...and he's remarking on that. IF you had friends like this (i do) you'd know it was weird enough to call out.
16:07: Oh that's how you interpreted it ? I was more thinking about the giant brain in the Lab which is still technically alive and a part of Vegapunk.
I mean, the world government kind of succeeded. Kind of. They have the mother flame, the have York and everything in egghead. They sort of killed Vegapunk, though Lilith is alive. And they didn't expect the broadcast. But in terms of what Kizaru came to do, he fulfilled it all just fine
They won, but even less then how they won Marineford. I'd say Luffy also made proportional gains equal to that deficit. Like the Strawhats didn't really lose either. Everyone on the crew is okay and in the end they did save Vegapunk. They gained even more trust from Bonnie and Lilith and reunited with their giant allies. I think that's what made egghead amazing. It had genuine steaks, amazing character designs, and really strong death/emotional moments. It was pure concentrated one piece.
Their mission was to kill all the vegapunks except for York. If they failed to kill one of them, they failed to kill all, so basically they failed. That's if you leave aside the damage done by Vegapunk's message and Nika escaping after dealing some damage to the elders. That's a big L for the WG
I personally think Zoro's line made perfect sense. It brought back memories from water 7, when he told Luffy he needs to show strenght in the Ussop situation because he is the capitan. Same here, he says he is not only the captain, he is a Yonko as well now. He needs to act more like it. And to be fair it's been months for us but only a few hours for them. So yeah, from Zoro's point of view, Luffy is depressed over a guy he met earlier that day.
You know what? I didn't think the transition with Lillith’s dialogue was jarring. Lilith is LITERALLY Vegapunk, and now, as I interpreted, she has all the aspects of Vegapunk (that's why she got hungry and she doesn't seem angry, more collected). It also means Edison is not alive, he was uploaded to Lilith's "brain" just like the others. Oda did an incredible foreshadowing in this arc. Do you guys remember how Lilith introduced herself? She said "I'M VEGAPUNK". And the fact that the "evil" aspect of the scientist outlived the other ones (except York) can tell us a lot about what Vegapunk considers to be evil. I loved it!
By the way Merphy, I think you should do a reread now that the arc is over. I’m currently rereading the arc and it’s so good. Egghead initially was 9/10 for me but it might go to 10/10. I think that the weekly read sometimes distorts our view of an arc with the weekly discourse, power scaling, agenda etc etc. So it’s nice to view everything as one big whole when all is said and done. The art and thematic story telling really is incredible, after 27 years it’s crazy how Oda can still write such great stuff.
I really do think this is the first Post-timeskip arc that that fully captured the adventurous aspect of the Pre-timeskip era as well as adding beautiful world exposition on top of it (not that I don't enjoy Post-timeskip, my favourite arc in the series is Whole Cake and I loved Fishman Island, Zou, Reverie). I'm more excited than I've ever been about moving forward in the story now, especially considering the next arc to be one that was anticipated for ages.
@@kappachino335 I agree! I’ve enjoyed post timeskip, but before Egghead my favorite arc was WCI due to the interpersonal conflicts and real stakes of Sanji not returning. I feel like a lot of post ts felt pretty planned out (although learning about Dressrosa and Zou was all super interesting, they felt like stepping stones from the get go. Similarly, Fishman Island, WCI, and Wano also all felt like the natural next step with the information given), so to have a sudden burst of unpredictability is crazy fun. Egghead was such a sudden swerve to the left where it felt like the Straw Hats went from minding their own business to being at the center of the government’s attention, and the complete explosion of strong characters made the outcome so much more uncertain. Where Wano was pretty much “do or die, Luffy needs to be pirate king,” Egghead felt more like scrabbling for the nearest exit, like in pre timeskip, where fleets of navy ships were something the Straw Hats really HAD to avoid. Now that there’s something to look at beyond Yonkos, I’m super pumped for Elbalf!
Tissine is really really really good, I've never seen the colour white look so sad before, especially after the use of white as a joyous colour in her other recent artworks. For some reason the bright white of that coat just speared me through the chest. I'm not an art person so I can't explain it but yeah, kudos to the artist.
Personally, I interpreted Zoro's line towards Luffy as a standard he holds himself to. We know that Zoro tries to be strong and that he doesn't like to show weakness (especially after Thriller Bark), and I believe that he applies that to his emotions as well. We only see him cry two times in the series: when Kuina died and when Mihawk beat him. Even when Yasuie died, he doesn't cry. Sure he gets angry and lashes out, but he still has this stony expression. Personally, I believe this is build up to when Zoro *does* cry, and when he does, it's going to be emotionally devastating.
i think jinbei is a little more off-color than zoro, this is just a very zoro response, i think jinbei saying that was more of a throaway line, someone had to say it, otherwise we wouldnt really have known. the chapters are so short that it magnifies this kind of thing more nowadays. it wouldnt be a big deal back a few hundred chapters.
What really got me about the Kizaru scene is how Sakazuki actually apologized for what he said. Could you have ever imagined Sakazuki of all people to apologize for ANYTHING?
He can kill Aokiji in duel, but he let him alive because respect, he also not tell Aokiji to quit, Aokiji did himself because he dont work under akainu
@@jerretttesta5093I get why some people don’t feel very strongly about him, but to me at least, I was always pretty interested in his slow, nonplussed personality compared to so many other characters who are either entirely cold or screaming their ideals back and forth. It bordered on weirdly funny and downright grating, given how indifferent Kizaru was to all the dreams he was crushing for apparently no reason. So seeing him struggle to stand by his work but do so anyways suddenly makes it feel like he has real passion and resolve, even if he doesn’t care to express it to anyone he doesn’t need to. I’m not crying for him or anything, but he did get a lot more interesting to me.
Agreed. It’s one thing to mourn a man(even if he doesnt deserve it) and a promise, it’s another thing for him to continue to mope. This goes back to luffy vs ussop and how Zoro told him he has to be strong for everybody. This is even more true now that he’s an emperor with more responsibilities.
Yeah, Zoro is usually the one telling Luffy he needs to take his role seriously. It comes off more harsh than the previous times he's said similar things because he only has one panel and no space to elaborate on the why.
@@triplelife5147 i think zolo in live action will be easier to swallow. They seem more like friends in that. i know fans hate one piece live action in comparison to one piece but one piece has some short comings like every story. They have to focus on certain things. When's the last time luffy said more than 3 paragraphs to the cyborg lol. Luffy chilling on the couch with zolo was celebrated by fans for a reason. I get that one piece is long and different but jjk gets shat on or bleach or any series that the characters dont seem like friends when the plot gets going. Sadly filler is frowned upon but it would be nice if luffy was asked how it went post time skip, how did your training go...hey luffy gear 5 wtf i thought you were on 3...instead of just well that's luffy. How do they strategize if they know each other will just make up new moves. Seems fairy tail like but without all the hate and better done XD> jokes aside one piece is great.
Here’s what I thought about Zoro’s line (comment repost of mine from Jay’s video) What he said was harsh, but I think that was him projecting a little bit. He’s aware of the fact they “failed” their mission in helping Vegapunk escape so I see his harsh words as Zoro being harsh on HIMSELF, like he has been multiple times in the past; he wants to distance himself from Egghead completely to not only forget the big failure, but also to forget about his own failures on Egghead (base Lucci, being called out by EVERYONE). That’s why he just refers to Vegapunk as a “geezer” and nothing more; he’s already emotionally detaching himself so he can focus on the future and not dwell on what he failed to do. It seems out of character for Zoro to be so cold regarding a failed promise, because Zoro is all about sticking by his words, but that’s why I think he said what he did so coldly in the first place; it’s well-disguised shame As for Luffy, he’s saying Luffy SHOULDN’T feel bad about “an old man”, because it’s technically the truth. Harsh, but true. Luffy is one of the top pirates now and as Zoro said back in Punk Hazard, the New World is dangerous and there’s little time to be messing around. I don’t think Zoro’s condemning feeling emotional about Vegapunk’s death, rather he’s annoyed at the fact everyone is dwelling on it so much. After all, Zoro got emotional over Yasuie and also got emotional when he learned that Ace died in Luffy’s arms, he has no right to say that emotions don’t matter. He even had this same reaction to Sanji leaving in Zou; extreme harshness and anger hiding his distress and concern and other feelings that could be seen as “vulnerability”. What he did do in these instances though was grieve, accept the losses and move on, and I take it Zoro’s annoyed that no one else is doing that right now when they’re busy escaping a government funded island with elders and Admirals and whatnot Overall though Zoro hasn’t been the same since stalling base Lucci, and ESPECIALLY not since Sanji called him a liability. I honestly think Zoro’s role as protector is slowly starting to weigh down on him as the arcs go by, especially Egghead, and while unlikely, we could see him crack at some point
you just made me remember that he saw what could possibly be death while he was injured after his battle with king in wano, he's been having a hard time for a while lol
I wasn't a fan of this moment, but I like the point you made about him emotionally detaching himself from Egghead and the shame that comes with remembering it. I'd really like to see him crack. Zoro's quite a static character for me atm, so I'd like to see more of that internal conflict.
When Lilith says that everyone’s alive we get a panel of the boat and then to the left the panel gets cut in to segments, to me that indicates that some time passes (I assume we skip the technical explanation for the time being), and then in the next page the cut panels come back and we rejoin to the point that they’re celebrating. Maybe Oda is saving the actual explanation for a moment that makes more sense thematically within the story
In that scene with Lilith explaining and everyone being "Okay, let's party". I feel like she actually did a full explanation, which was probably complicated enough for Luffy to not understand, but in a very Oda fashion, he cut that off (just like Luffy saying his dream), which goes very in line with the ending of "In short, Everyone is alive". I wouldn't be surprise if in some point in the future we get back to this scene in a flashback and have the full story
7:28 that art matches so well with this chapter when kizaru was remembering his time with vegapunk and then at the end of it his dead body reflected in his glasses😭
18:38 I think it was Luffy that said "i don't get it" in the panel. I think he already satisfied with what Lilith said after that. Any more explanation from Lilith, Luffy would probably just say, "oh miracle soul" Regarding Franky, Jinbei, and Zoro, they probably don't know that Vegapunk was considered as a friend by Luffy.
The Zoro stuff made sense to me, he's always played that role with the crew. He did something similar after Enies Lobby and Usopp wanted to rejoin the crew. I think him mentioning that Luffy is an Emperor of the Sea is important, and something that I think Luffy will have to deal with. He has to find a way to balance who he is with the expectations of not just being a Yonko, but essentially a god. Luffy can't shrug those titles off the way he does being called a hero. I think Zoro recognizes the stakes are only going to get higher and Luffy might have to go on after losing those closest to him, like his family or other Strawhats.
Personally I don't feel like Zoro's line was out of place 'cause I don't think he was being entirely rational, imo he was frustrated that Lucci was able to hold him back so long and that the crew failed to protect most of the Vegapunks so he's expressing that by saying Luffy should toughen up 'cause he doesn't know how to properly express those emotions (kinda like when Sanji left in Zou and Zoro was calling him a deadweight 'cause he didn't want to admit to being worried abt him)
The heck is wrong with y'all trying to make zoro a tsundre , it's just the way he is, always trying to keep luffy on track no matter the circumstances or whomever is involved, i mean he said it himself when usopp and luffy fought: "if you waver, who are we supposed to call captain"
I don't see how zoro's reaction is any harsher than the one he had when usop or sanji left the crew for example. I didn't find it out of character or weird when reading, he always has been that way. He is the down to earth right hand man of luffy that really needs it at times, and he plays that role well when needed.
I personally actually side more with Jimbe and Zoro on this one... maybe Oda have them give the lines they did in order to have a voice for the fans that felt that way. I wouldn't have expected Luffy to take it AS hard as he did either honestly.. Now, saying it's "pathetic" sounds a little overly harsh, but a part of me has to wonder if the Japanese equivalent carries a lesser negative connotation versus than the word "pathetic" does in English. ALSO, Zoro has ALWAYS held Luffy to a higher standard, to whatever title or position he held. Think back to Water 7 for example, him coaching Luffy on what it means to be "the captain." And I believe that's the ideal role and what you want from your right-hand man! That's what Zoro is there for!
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead.... playing with luci when he can fight with elder, mad because not finish fight when jinbei get him, now bad talk luffy when he upset about vegapunk die... i think zoro will fight with luffy in elbaf...
Idk. I can see why Zoro might not care as much about Vegapunk since he didn’t know him, and I don’t think his comment means he ACTUALLY respects Luffy less. But I don’t believe this is supposed to be considered a ‘good’ response even by his standards. A good response is telling the crew not to waste their time on Vivi, or telling Luffy not to let Usopp walk all over him. A good response is NOT insulting his captain for mourning an ally/loss instead of partying when the crew are no longer in a state of emergency. Even if “pathetic” is less extreme in Japanese, I’d still just say this moment displays Zoro’s general weakness with emotional intelligence. Zoro’s been carrying too much weight recently (I think it’s worth noting that Luffy never actually claimed a right hand, and Zoro takes on the responsibility for the crew and his captain out of personal obligation first and foremost), and with his near death on Wano and getting chewed out by the crew on Egghead, I think he just doesn’t know how to cope with the loss of Vegapunk on top of it. While I’m sure Nami and the others were mostly upset in the heat of the moment, Sanji calling him a “liability” seems like actual confirmation that Zoro was underperforming and needed a wake up call. Because of this, I don’t even trust the right-hand rationality/wisdom without Luffy or Sanji to balance it out, and wouldn’t take it as gospel. So all in all, I took this moment less as Zoro having a point, and more as Zoro trying to move on as quickly as possible to avoid the hurt- kind of like when he got salty about Sanji on Zou when he was worried. He’s just taking it out on Luffy because his mood isn’t letting him forget, which he’s impatient to do. A more generous reading I’ve seen is that Zoro and Jinbei were satisfied with surviving and getting Lilith, so there’s that too.
I really felt for Akainu this chapter. All that power, relegated behind a desk. Losing contact with everyone for Oda only knows how long. He won't be sitting idly by during the next big event.
Silhouette piece is damn real I love the character development for Kizaru ( Akainu calling Kizaru brother and sympathizing wasn't on my bingo card) Vivi not wanting to release the news probably because the world government would use it to slander Luffy, but I want them new bounties I'm so glad Oda didn't let the Strawhats disregard Vegapunk's death that was one of my biggest nitpicks from the last chapter
Remember, Akainu could not kill Aokiji on their battle. I'm in the side of Akainu and Aokiji are still friends at the end of the day. Imo the OG 3 Admirals are quite close/rivals. Kizaru acting this way and asking his question probably hit him well that's why he apologized.
My guess is that it's not Edison who told Lilith what happened but rather all the other Vegapunks from his brain. As Lilith said they are not really dead, all the satelites are basically just proxies for Vegapunks brain to act through. Their mind is still just in there.
The information would've been updated by Atlas's final memories or a combination of hers, Stella's, and Edison's. I think it's safe to believe that it can automatically update. I don't see why it wouldn't if they can be connected to it at all times if they like.
7:30 i still feel that Kizaru wont Change sides he has pledged his Life to the World Government The spirit of a Samurai is all Over this story "Even if your Master turn out to be Wicked...if you pledged yourself to them Your Honorbound"
Zoro has a pattern of projecting disappointment in himself onto someone else. It's similar to when he yelled at Luffy to "get it together" on Punk Hazard. He feels bad for failing the goal, but if he shows it or dwells on it, he considers it weak. So he bottles it up, chugs some sake, and holds it together for everyone.
14:40 I think it was just Zoro being Zoro. Rough around the edges and absolutely zero filter. There is no analysis between "I'm thinking of saying it" and "I'm saying it." I love him still but he sometimes such a brute 🙄
As someone who has served, and has friends who are still serving, the scene between kizaru and akainu really struck a chord with me. The higher ranking an individual is, the less humanity they seem to have retained. So seeing someone standing up for his internal battle against a higher up, and then seeing that higher up understand that in a mature way, is just profound to a soldier.
Akainu killed that marine back in summit war cuz he was corrupt and seeing him fleeing from war just gives akainu the perfect excuse to kill him.. akainu was actually a marine that is dignified and will do anything for his justice even in the most brutal way
With this chapter, I'm now convinced that Kizaru was not actually down completely that he cannot stand after his clash with Luffy. Maybe he is physically hurt, but not that much that he could not stand. He CHOSE not to stand again not because he is hurt physically but because he is EMOTIONALLY scarred at that time. He is hurting emotionally.
As far as Zoro, remember Zoro is the reality check of the crew at all times. The backbone of the crew always is and has been Zoro... This goes in small incidents in the early portion of the series up to Usopp leaving and then to thriller bark... However Zoro has never shyed away from letting it be known you must continue to earn and uphold his respect. This seems to be a continuing theme in the second in commands reminding their captains and reeling in their captains to upholding their positions . Thru Zoro, killer, Rayleigh in the flashbacks we've seen
That's what I thought too since he tends to be more stoic and suspicious towards people he doesn't know too well but deep down even tho he doesn't show it, he usually cares a lot 😭
Aside from the Vivi thing, the only other time I can think of where Zoro was perceived as an asshole despite something else going on was Sanji’s disappearance in Zou. Zoro had never lashed out so angrily and dismissively before, not when Nami, Usopp or Robin left, but he suddenly switched for Sanji and Luffy called him out for it. His line about Vegapunk really reminded me of Zou. Made me think that he’s already trying to distance himself emotionally from Egghead entirely, not just because it’s for the best that they forget the past so they can focus on the future, but also because he doesn’t WANT to remember his and the crew’s failures. Him calling Vegapunk “that geezer” instead of his actual name supports this
YES! I am so with you on your point about Kizaru. From the START he was very clear that this was not something he wanted. Kizaru has been my favorite Admiral since I first saw him and to get this from him makes this an immediate top moment for me.
So, the running theory of who's on Elbaf in the final panel is Scopper Gaban, the left-hand man of Gol D. Roger. It would kind of make sense since his weapons are Nordic looking axes, and Shanks said he was meeting "old friends" while he was there. And I saw someone mention this, and it blew me away, but we saw Roger first (Gol D. = Gold), then Rayleigh(Silvers = Silver), so it would make sense to see Scopper next (Scopper = Copper).
It also makes sense as Crocus, Rayleigh and Scopper are kinda of like waypoint guardians of the grandline. Crocus at the entrance into the GL (Reverse Mountain), Rayleigh at the Halfway point (Sabaody Archipelago) coating ships so that those in pursuit of OP can continue their journey; and Scopper near the end of the New World (Elbaf) for those that make it that far.
from how i was reading the zoro scene was more to show us that they are also frustrated that they couldn't do better. zoro saying it's pathtic for me tells me that he feels pathtic cuz he expected them to succeed especielly now that they are a yonko crew. but ya weird scene
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead.... playing with luci when he can fight with elder, mad because not finish fight when jinbei get him, now bad talk luffy when he upset about vegapunk die... i think zoro will fight with luffy in elbaf...
I believe its different. Zoro understands grief and having to go through it . But moping is not the right thing in his mind. We NEVER see zoro moping and he doesnt expect his captain to mope around either. He expects him to try to be better and move on. Not skulk around being lazy
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Completely agree that the "Vegapunk is alive" thing came and went so suddenly, I also had to check if I missed a page. Random vague statement then cheering then...hard cut to somewhere else
I could be wrong, but I think Jinbei and Zoro are both thinking Luffy’s grief is surprising/silly because they understand on some level that Lilith being alive means they succeeded, that Luffy didn’t really fail. In the panel where Lilith says Vegapunk still alive, Jinbei’s, Zoro’s and Franky’s faces aren’t there, so I think they had an inkling all along that they’d succeeded in their mission.
I disagree. I believe zoro isnt angry at luffy for grieving , but moping. He was the person responsible for bringing out vegapunk and failed. So zoro believes luffy shouldnt mope around .
Luffy specifically says "Apple gramps". I doubt Luffy fully understood that the satellites = VP (as well as a chunk of the fandom given some of the discussions I've seen).
The dialogue between Kizaru and Akainu was so spot on, and Kizaru's reaction so impactful, that I overlooked the rest of the chapter. But yeah, you're absolutely right about Jinbei and Zoro, and maybe the emotions switched too quickly with Luffy and the others, celebrating too fast, etc. This time, it's the Marines who have the best writing, haha.
Hi, Merphy! On page 11, when Lilith says, "You see, the truth is..." you'll notice on the left of that panel and on the right of Chopper's reaction panel are those bars which denote the passage of time and/or a change in scene. It's implied by her next line ("In short... / ...they're all alive!!!") Lilith explains the situation to them at greater length off-screen, rejoining the audience in time for us to get the gist of it. It's not something I noticed right away in my eagerness to read the chapter, but it was pointed out to me later. Many someones may already have told you the same thing as I, but I hope it's been of help nevertheless. I'm more of a lurker, so allow me to add: Thank you so much for your videos! Your enthusiasm is infectious, and your personal insights interesting and of value. Tissine as well-her artwork is consistently stunning, and as a lifelong hobbyist myself, I can't help but admire her style! You and yours please take care. 😊
I think Zoro's line was him talking about himself as well. Hes not smiling and drowning himself in alcohol. He hates that he couldn't do his job as well.
I would like to point out that luffy wasnt grieving vega punk's death as much as moping about it. Vegapunk's wellbeing was luffy's responsibility and him moping about it instead of standing up about his mistakes snd trying to do better is what i think zoro is quoting. He did the same when he fought. After he fought mihawk , he didnt start moping about his mistake , he cried but he strived to do better and promised luffy to be better. Now that he is looking at luffy moping around after they came so far, he is once again reminding him of his duty as the captain.
Zoro’s line made perfect sense to me. He’s upset, drinking, a little shaken at the strength of the elders, and he’s always been the one to hold Luffy to the image of captain. He knows the whole crews shook and Luffy being upset effects the whole crew
I feel like we're just missing a few panels/a page of Lillith better explaining her perspective to Luffy and friends. Other than that I loved this chapter! What Zoro said feels in character to me, I think he's always struggled with expressing his emotions in a healthy way and is just trying to rationalise stuff because he hates seeing the man he respects so much upset. He's always been a kind person who puts on a cold front since we met him.
The pages with the conversation between Kizaru and Akainu were probably the best in a long time for me, and that's saying something. So short, but you really feel Kizaru's pain and see a side of him we've never seen. And Akainu actually saying "My bad brother, I shouldn't doubt you" is probably the first likeable thing he's ever done or said. That's peak One Piece right there. Honestly I'd love to get more behind the scenes of the Marines, the dynamic between the admirals has always been fascinating, exploring the human side of these almost machine like monsters from a pirate POV.
You definitely hit the nail on the head with things feeling a bit rushed -- it seems crazy to say it but it's so very true, that as long as One Piece is, it truly feels like it needs to be even *LONGER* -- we sorely need more time for various points to be given time to breathe, we sorely need more time for each straw hat to get more attention, we need more 'strawhat hangout time' between arcs, we need more care given to various characters' stories having more satisfying conclusions like Carrot getting to do ANYTHING in Wano for example, I get that Oda's wanted the series to end sooner than it is since the beginning and I get that after nearly 30 years he probably wants to take a break and/or write a different story, but ironically the one thing this ridiculously long series needs is even more length I feel lol
Another Ohara/Egghead parallel I've noticed though it feels more implied than directly shown, is that I believe Borsalino provided Sentomaru with the rowboat and supplies to get away while everyone else was rendered unconscious. It would add additional weight to the tears in Sentomaru's eyes, and it fits with the timing of Borsalino answering Sakazuki's call. It's my interpretation of those panels at least, informed by what already happened between Kuzan, Robin, and Saul.
i think Zoro is in his serious protector mode,just like he did when he scold Luffy in Punk Hazard they're now a Yonko,more threat will come to them and they have been in an insanely dangerous and threatening situating back to back in like 1-2 week and he got pushed back by the sword elder the way i see it,he's just venting,not serious,which is understandable edit:the way i see it,every dead vegapunk goes to Lilith now,and speak to her in her headset,so Edison might still alive,just in low power mode sneaking around in Punk Record i predict he will be critical in the last battle when we need to sabotage the Punk Record at the hand of the WG
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead.... playing with luci when he can fight with elder, mad because not finish fight when jinbei get him, now bad talk luffy when he upset about vegapunk die... i think zoro will fight with luffy in elbaf...
Zoro always act like that when he is most insecure, he can't bring himself to acknowledge failure (he reacted in a similar way when Sanji was taken to Whole Cake, lying that he doesn't care) His insecurities also caused him to get stuck fighting a stupid leopard, this is just a continuation of his character arc
My favorite idea on who the mystery man is that he’s a member of Roger’s crew who’s been chilling with the giants, waiting for the one Roger was waiting for himself. Scooper would be likely as if you go off the naming theory “Copper) would be the 3rd in command compared to Gol D and Silvers. I like the idea that it’s Loki, though if we’re leaning into Norse Mythology Hiemdol would make more sense. My least favorite idea is that it’s Shiki. He’s a (in my subjective opinion) boring movie character whose only role in the story should be minor cameos like the one in the Kuma flashback.
i think she more so just meant the interactions in this chapter. it was a really short chapter so a lot of the moments had to be wrapped within 1-2 pages. just didn’t feel as dragged out as it maybe should’ve been. i’d agree with the transition at the end from luffy grieving to celebrating, it did feel a bit too quick of a turn around for me as well.
@@uncookedshoe i dontk now i been in the patraon and i watch the live she know that i been complain about the long eding of the arc for like 10 chapters
Lilith saying that everyone are alive may be referring to vegapunks plan from the previous chapter. Vegapunk who already plan on his death and already found out who the traiter is, before he erased that of his memory for survival put which ever vegapunk survives should inherit all other's memory and become the main host of his brain and the erased master plan will be revealed to them. That is what the whole chapter 1126 was about
the misunderstanding with zoro's line this chapter is a simple case of reading comprehension. Zoro is a proud man. Zoro finished off Lucci only when Sanji taunted him. Not being able to save this geezer was failure for him. He copes by reflecting off his captain saying it wasn't even that imp[ortant. He copes, he seethes.
I like the parallel between Luffy and Kizaru here with Luffy mourning because he felt like he felt obligated to keep a promise to his friend and failed, while Kizaru felt obligated to his duty and succeeded. It feels like Garp and Luffy dynamic at Marineford except for the fact that Luffy succeeds in rescuing Ace. Ace ofc dies because he went back but Luffy and Garp both were left mourning because the action Ace took in the same way Luffy and Kizaru were both left mourning because the actions that Vegapunk took.
I personally think the Jinbe line about not expecting Luffy to be so down about letting VP die was an issue with the unofficial translation I read (he says something along the lines of "I've never seen Luffy this depressed") but it was fixed with the official translation in my mind. He has seen Luffy get down when he fails to save someone he promised to save, but the last time he saw it happen was with his brother. I feel like that's sufficiently different than this situation that Jinbe being surprised makes sense, after all, he literally met the guy 24 hours ago, and still sort of kept his promise in getting Lilith off EH which I think was really all VP was asking for considering how ready he was to die on the way down to the fabriophase and Lilith's words this chapter.
Awesome art, Tissine! I up like how you used only blue, instead of full color. Kizaru is feeling very blue right now. His face is in shadow. His coat is billowing, like sails. If only it were sails, and he could leave, just like Sentemaru. ❤❤❤
I just can't imagine Kizaru being the one who fed Luffy now as it would undercut that powerful scene with Akainu. Love the Kizaru analysis and of course Tissine's artwork for the admiral always catches the nuance in his character.
I found really interesting the reactions of Zoro and Robin in this chapter and how they have changed emotionally trough all the saga. I remember in the beginning Zoro was a more happy guy, he laughed more but somehow after every battle and difficult situation he builds his stoic persona even further pushing his emotions inside and doesn't know how to deal with loss. Every time the Strawhats lose someone Zoro acts like a jerk (Ussop in water 7, Sanji in whole cake, etc), he doesn't want to be affected by tragedy, he pushes it down. It was harsh but it was on point for Zoro's character in my opinion. On the other side, the wonderful panel of Robin at the end of the chapter... she was that cold, stoic woman that won her crewmates calculating their "weaknesses" and then in each travel she became softer, reliant, protector and protected around her new found family. This last image of her hugging Chopper is, as the whole arc, her letting her emotions be shown, happy, fearless. How she has changed for the better!! And Zoro...is becoming a Mihawk 2.0. I loved this arc. And Tissine art is amazing, as always. By the way, I find the last silhouette looks like a squirrel, the way is resting and it looks like it has a tail. I remembered in the Nordic mythology there is a messenger squirrel that travel Yggdrasill sending messages. Maybe it's the messenger waiting for the arrival, I don't know, it's a wild wild guess, but I think it's a new character.
Zoros been acting kind of weird since he saw death in wano. Between his request for vegapunk at the beginning of the arc, his behavior during his fight with lucci, and now his comment this chapter, I think oda is indicating that something abnormal is going on with zoro.
The whole point with the Vegapunks is that I believe everyone ":died" that we saw "die," but since they are a hive, "they live on," and Lilith is getting updated data from either a back-up hub someplace, or it's just built into her headset.
Zoros line was completely in line with his character, he's really upset about it too, but when he's upset he just tends to become mean, like when sanji left in whole cake and with robin during water 7, when he was told she betrayed them and he responded by going 'lol i dont really care too much' when he was actually really hurting, i think he's doing the same thing here
The way I understood that moment, Zoro is worried that Luffy keeps shouldering more and more responsability and his decisions will become more and more complicated, so in his duty-focused way he is commenting that Luffy cannot afford to be mopping every time they lose someone. Having said that, I totally agree the panel comes across as callous and unexpected from someone who rutinely risks his life to save people they've know for a few hours and knows how Luffy is, it did rub me the wrong way.
I will say that the Yasuie comparison regarding the Zoro line is disingenuous, to an extent. That situation took place during a, not uncritical time, but a time where the main event (the raid) was yet to come. Zoro got to (we got to see) spend quality time with Yasuie. Meanwhile, on egghead, the entire SH crew was trying to get the hell out of there. Everyone was in the thick of things. Luffy’s status as an emperor was truly relevant during this time. Then for Vegapunk, Luffy didn’t really spend a lot of quality time with him; his care and understanding of him was mostly through the promise and the feelings of others. So looking through the pragmatic eyes of Zoro, combining with holding Luffy in a higher standard (the highest of standards) like he’s done before, we managed to get out of here alive, only losing the life of one guy our captain barely met today. Zoro wasn’t holding himself to an emperor standard with Yasuie. I will say though that Zoro could’ve delivered the harshness of this line much more softer, with more understanding, which is where the Yasuie aspect I think fits. However, I think the overall idea Zoro is trying to get at is appropriate.
Not only that, Zoro got mad, not hopping around. He was seeking vengeance, not being depressive. This was harsh on Zoro's part agree, but I don't think it's out of character. In his head, Luffy is too much of a big dog to get sad when an ally dies. "It happens; they are no longer rookies not used to losing allies''. If Luffy had got furious and was talking about going after Kizaru for vengeance, Zoro would be thinking the same thing, but Luffy is moping around, and he thinks that is "pathetic".
Im calling it now, Kizaru was a part of Stella's plans and part of Kizarus conflict was Kizaru making the decision to Unalive his best friend as per Stella's wish. He (Kizaru) finally decided to respect Stellas wish and tries to unalive him but what happens? Sanji steps in and blocks his attack, we then see Kizarus shocked face.
Borsalino: Hey Sakazuki, have you ever had to kill your best friend? In the first layer, of course that's Kuzan but in ONE PIECE it's not just one layer ... Yeah that best friend was Monkey D. Dragon 💯
If it helps anyone with the Zoro line. Zoro always says Luffy needs to be bigger than himself. He basically told Luffy to fight Usopp back in water 7 not to be callous but because Luffy is the captain
I really love all the parallels to ohara in this arc. Kizaru and Aokiji being forced into what seems to be their first great moral conflict. They both choose to side with the WG but in the aftermath they regret it and even allow some people to escape. Seeing where aokiji ended up, I wonder what’s going to be kizaru’s next step. Also the little bit of dialogue we’ve gotten from Akainu this arc has done wonders for his character. We got to see him express empathy for kizaru and kuma. I really need to see what made him into the man that he is now. In general the admirals all seem to be on thin ice with their relationship to the world government. Fujitora is actively against their interest and has been banned from all marine bases, kuzan is now a Blackbeard pirate, kizaru just suffered the worst day of his life and essentially quit the mission after killing his best friend. Even Akainu has been shown to have an increasingly turbulent relationship with the gorosei and nobles. Greenbull is the only character that hasn’t had any trouble with authority so far but considering he’s a staunch supporter of Akainu, I wonder what his reaction would be to Akainu attempting something like a coup. While I don’t believe Akainu would ever become good, I do see him trying to other throw the current system and imposing an even more authoritarian regime with himself at the helm
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So maybe this chapter was rushed or Oda had to change / release it earlier then he planned 🤔
According MelonTee Zoro being an A-hole about other people's feelings is mandatory at every odd arc...
To himself when he remembered Kuina after meeting Tashigi
To everyone after they left Vivi in Alabasta
To Chopper during the Davy Back fight
To Ussop after he left the crew
To himself again after surviving his fight with Kuma
To Perona during the timeskip
To everyone again when Vivi was reported missing
Yasuie's case was kinda of a exception because his assailant, Orochi was right there... at the reach of his blade... As stoic as he is, instead of lamenting he will enclose himself and be cranky about it... when everyone will permit themselves be indulgent he is the only one that won't... The embodiment of the spring effect...
The part about he being the harsh but silly dad to Sanji's loving and caring mom is just her headcanon...
Now about Jimbee I think that the context is about how someone as positive and full of life that Luffy is, it feels wrong to see such a guy sad... Like how a parent feels seeing their child cry being unable to do something about it...
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@@mrponeis Do you remember which Melontee video it was about Zoro? Would love to check it out.
People always have a choice. Kizaru is just a coward.
Honestly Akainu showing emotional intelligence and backing off Kizaru was the biggest shock for me this chapter. Kizaru about to borrow one of Akainu's shirts and take some PTO after this
He has to be good at it he manipulates ppl
@@royalfun1031nah i think he was genuine this time
Probably one of my favorite moments from the admirals. It’s so simple yet so effective.
@@royalfun1031 ace deserves what happen to him. he had a chance to run but decided to ruin whitebeard sacrifice
@@royalfun1031he doesn’t quite manipulate them as much as intimidante them, and only his inferiors
The art of Kizaru with Vegapunk and Saturn reflected in his glasses is some of the best fan art I seen, so after this chapter dropped I had high expectations and was not disappointed.
It's my favorite too. The panel where Vegapunk's dead body reflected in Kizaru's glasses in this chapter makes the artwork even more awesome in retrospect. Almost the before and the after.
Tissine's art really captured the weight of that marine coat. It feels heavy and suffocating.
That's such a good description
Yes!
Really good art and your comment is perfect.
Yes the art🙏🤩🤩🪄
Great observation.
Tissine art is STUNNING! 😍😍😍
I want it so bad.
Every time omg
Usopp’s “How are you the ‘Evil’ one?” was pretty funny. The art pieces are always so amazing and creative. I really appreciate that.
When the guy who is always calm and stoic loses their temper and composure then people tend to take notice. Someone like Akainu losing his temper is an everyday thing nothing would really stick out compared to any other day. Someone like Kizaru losing it though then you know exactly how hard something is effecting them.
Eeghead is burning and we see kizaru on a ship looking towards the burning island and crying for his actions. He built this island with vegapunk this means a lot to him. The dark shading of oda was something else in this one kizaru panel. Beautiful done by goda
Man stop worshipping him. There is only one God, and regardless of your religion, God does not like when you worship someone else.
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I think while the OP community can dislike Zoro's reaction in chapter 1124, it was in character for him. He has shown in the past that his way of expressing emotions is to be MORE stoic, to be MORE angry, and to lash out/blame others. When he gets lost, he doesn't think he is lost, he asks why everyone else is lost. When Sanji left the crew, he chose to insult Sanji instead of cry or express anger. Zoro also spent less time with each of the VP than any other strawhats. Zoro also was stalled by Lucci. Zoro was taunted by Lucci. Zoro probably blames himself for not finishing the Lucci fight fast enough. Zoro probably blames himself for not being on the battlefield when the Five Elders, the buster call, and the LIGHTMAN Admiral attacked. Zoro never got to redeem himself for losing to Kisaru. Zoro doesn't know how to process and express all that he feels in any other way than lashing out. As Sanji and Luffy has said before Zoro's too hard on himself.
He's not being hard on himself though is he, he's being hard on luffy, the guy he's supposed to support with his entire being. It comes across as very strange, and there's a real chance this is just a one off sentence that won't get explored. I hope it gets explored because if not it's just very weird
Agreed. I think Zoro would much rather have a sword to the gut than experience emotional pain. Luffy hurting is hurting Zoro. To your point, Zoro may not have known Vegapunk well, but he knows the meaning of a promise and keeping one's word.
@marius8930 he's being supportive by telling his captain to shape up. Zoro has always been the one to check Luffy, this is very in character for him. He literally told Luffy to shut up about trying to save Vivi after Wano. Idk what yall are on about
i also think zoro is most realistic of the bunch knowing that you cannot always save everyone, and sulking and moaning about it is not gonna help, besides, he acts verry diffrently on his emotions then luffy does....
and like said before, zoro just wants to hold luffy accountable and literally might not fully understand why luffy is so upset about this "old man" dying. and i just think he dislikes when luffy does not act liike himself.
people hate too much. for example i said it already but Jimbe saw luffy in another state. I was shocked (i didnt read egghead just know spoilers) that luffy even felt sad about not fulfilling a goal. Luffy never said his goal was to save his pals outright when he lost them, this is the first time he failed without coming through eventually. This is the first he's ever besides filler said sorry that he didnt fufill another's dream. This is bigger than people make it, this might be a hint that he wont get one piece and people will cry one piece is trash cause they dont get their happy ending. lol. Jokes aside it is known luffy never thinks internally with words in comic...this is the closet he got...and he's remarking on that. IF you had friends like this (i do) you'd know it was weird enough to call out.
Gotta say you probably have one of the best channel artist on this site so far.
16:07: Oh that's how you interpreted it ? I was more thinking about the giant brain in the Lab which is still technically alive and a part of Vegapunk.
I mean, the world government kind of succeeded. Kind of.
They have the mother flame, the have York and everything in egghead. They sort of killed Vegapunk, though Lilith is alive. And they didn't expect the broadcast.
But in terms of what Kizaru came to do, he fulfilled it all just fine
They won, but even less then how they won Marineford. I'd say Luffy also made proportional gains equal to that deficit. Like the Strawhats didn't really lose either. Everyone on the crew is okay and in the end they did save Vegapunk. They gained even more trust from Bonnie and Lilith and reunited with their giant allies. I think that's what made egghead amazing. It had genuine steaks, amazing character designs, and really strong death/emotional moments. It was pure concentrated one piece.
im just thinking about the repair costs for battleships, pacifistas and egghead island that the world government will have to pay
@@audaciousjones Should be easy enough now that they don't have VP Stella demanding obscene amounts of money from them
Their mission was to kill all the vegapunks except for York. If they failed to kill one of them, they failed to kill all, so basically they failed. That's if you leave aside the damage done by Vegapunk's message and Nika escaping after dealing some damage to the elders. That's a big L for the WG
@@Problemsolver434 the wg lost 2 valuable agents (stussy/sentomaru)
I personally think Zoro's line made perfect sense. It brought back memories from water 7, when he told Luffy he needs to show strenght in the Ussop situation because he is the capitan. Same here, he says he is not only the captain, he is a Yonko as well now. He needs to act more like it.
And to be fair it's been months for us but only a few hours for them. So yeah, from Zoro's point of view, Luffy is depressed over a guy he met earlier that day.
You know what? I didn't think the transition with Lillith’s dialogue was jarring. Lilith is LITERALLY Vegapunk, and now, as I interpreted, she has all the aspects of Vegapunk (that's why she got hungry and she doesn't seem angry, more collected). It also means Edison is not alive, he was uploaded to Lilith's "brain" just like the others. Oda did an incredible foreshadowing in this arc. Do you guys remember how Lilith introduced herself? She said "I'M VEGAPUNK". And the fact that the "evil" aspect of the scientist outlived the other ones (except York) can tell us a lot about what Vegapunk considers to be evil. I loved it!
By the way Merphy, I think you should do a reread now that the arc is over. I’m currently rereading the arc and it’s so good. Egghead initially was 9/10 for me but it might go to 10/10.
I think that the weekly read sometimes distorts our view of an arc with the weekly discourse, power scaling, agenda etc etc. So it’s nice to view everything as one big whole when all is said and done.
The art and thematic story telling really is incredible, after 27 years it’s crazy how Oda can still write such great stuff.
I really do think this is the first Post-timeskip arc that that fully captured the adventurous aspect of the Pre-timeskip era as well as adding beautiful world exposition on top of it (not that I don't enjoy Post-timeskip, my favourite arc in the series is Whole Cake and I loved Fishman Island, Zou, Reverie). I'm more excited than I've ever been about moving forward in the story now, especially considering the next arc to be one that was anticipated for ages.
@@kappachino335 I agree! I’ve enjoyed post timeskip, but before Egghead my favorite arc was WCI due to the interpersonal conflicts and real stakes of Sanji not returning.
I feel like a lot of post ts felt pretty planned out (although learning about Dressrosa and Zou was all super interesting, they felt like stepping stones from the get go. Similarly, Fishman Island, WCI, and Wano also all felt like the natural next step with the information given), so to have a sudden burst of unpredictability is crazy fun. Egghead was such a sudden swerve to the left where it felt like the Straw Hats went from minding their own business to being at the center of the government’s attention, and the complete explosion of strong characters made the outcome so much more uncertain. Where Wano was pretty much “do or die, Luffy needs to be pirate king,” Egghead felt more like scrabbling for the nearest exit, like in pre timeskip, where fleets of navy ships were something the Straw Hats really HAD to avoid. Now that there’s something to look at beyond Yonkos, I’m super pumped for Elbalf!
Tissine is really really really good, I've never seen the colour white look so sad before, especially after the use of white as a joyous colour in her other recent artworks. For some reason the bright white of that coat just speared me through the chest. I'm not an art person so I can't explain it but yeah, kudos to the artist.
Personally, I interpreted Zoro's line towards Luffy as a standard he holds himself to. We know that Zoro tries to be strong and that he doesn't like to show weakness (especially after Thriller Bark), and I believe that he applies that to his emotions as well. We only see him cry two times in the series: when Kuina died and when Mihawk beat him. Even when Yasuie died, he doesn't cry. Sure he gets angry and lashes out, but he still has this stony expression. Personally, I believe this is build up to when Zoro *does* cry, and when he does, it's going to be emotionally devastating.
You know an arc has ended when Big News Morgans shows up to give summary headlines. All that's left is the updated bounties of the Straw Hats.
I personally don't find Zoro's and Jinbei's dialogue that out of character because they are the most pragmatic ones in the group. I see their POV.
Yeah, they’ve always been harsh when it comes to dealing with difficult situations.
Zoro the only one that didn't flinch when ussop left the cree and he checked them all when they wanted him back on the crew
i think jinbei is a little more off-color than zoro, this is just a very zoro response, i think jinbei saying that was more of a throaway line, someone had to say it, otherwise we wouldnt really have known. the chapters are so short that it magnifies this kind of thing more nowadays. it wouldnt be a big deal back a few hundred chapters.
I think Zoro’s dialogue makes sense cause he has always been heavy handed with his approach especially when it comes to Luffy and his status
What really got me about the Kizaru scene is how Sakazuki actually apologized for what he said. Could you have ever imagined Sakazuki of all people to apologize for ANYTHING?
He can kill Aokiji in duel, but he let him alive because respect, he also not tell Aokiji to quit, Aokiji did himself because he dont work under akainu
I am still admiring the Kizaru scenes he has always been a shadow favorite and this arc has made me love and hate him in a good way more.
Idk maybe I'll have to read the chapter again but for me that moment felt flat to me he's a weak man who deserves no pity imo
@@jerretttesta5093I get why some people don’t feel very strongly about him, but to me at least, I was always pretty interested in his slow, nonplussed personality compared to so many other characters who are either entirely cold or screaming their ideals back and forth. It bordered on weirdly funny and downright grating, given how indifferent Kizaru was to all the dreams he was crushing for apparently no reason. So seeing him struggle to stand by his work but do so anyways suddenly makes it feel like he has real passion and resolve, even if he doesn’t care to express it to anyone he doesn’t need to. I’m not crying for him or anything, but he did get a lot more interesting to me.
Zoro has always been like this. He holds Luffy to the highest standard as the man he was willing to throw away his life for.
Agreed. It’s one thing to mourn a man(even if he doesnt deserve it) and a promise, it’s another thing for him to continue to mope. This goes back to luffy vs ussop and how Zoro told him he has to be strong for everybody. This is even more true now that he’s an emperor with more responsibilities.
Yeah, Zoro is usually the one telling Luffy he needs to take his role seriously. It comes off more harsh than the previous times he's said similar things because he only has one panel and no space to elaborate on the why.
@@triplelife5147 i think zolo in live action will be easier to swallow. They seem more like friends in that. i know fans hate one piece live action in comparison to one piece but one piece has some short comings like every story. They have to focus on certain things. When's the last time luffy said more than 3 paragraphs to the cyborg lol. Luffy chilling on the couch with zolo was celebrated by fans for a reason. I get that one piece is long and different but jjk gets shat on or bleach or any series that the characters dont seem like friends when the plot gets going. Sadly filler is frowned upon but it would be nice if luffy was asked how it went post time skip, how did your training go...hey luffy gear 5 wtf i thought you were on 3...instead of just well that's luffy. How do they strategize if they know each other will just make up new moves. Seems fairy tail like but without all the hate and better done XD> jokes aside one piece is great.
Here’s what I thought about Zoro’s line (comment repost of mine from Jay’s video)
What he said was harsh, but I think that was him projecting a little bit. He’s aware of the fact they “failed” their mission in helping Vegapunk escape so I see his harsh words as Zoro being harsh on HIMSELF, like he has been multiple times in the past; he wants to distance himself from Egghead completely to not only forget the big failure, but also to forget about his own failures on Egghead (base Lucci, being called out by EVERYONE). That’s why he just refers to Vegapunk as a “geezer” and nothing more; he’s already emotionally detaching himself so he can focus on the future and not dwell on what he failed to do. It seems out of character for Zoro to be so cold regarding a failed promise, because Zoro is all about sticking by his words, but that’s why I think he said what he did so coldly in the first place; it’s well-disguised shame
As for Luffy, he’s saying Luffy SHOULDN’T feel bad about “an old man”, because it’s technically the truth. Harsh, but true. Luffy is one of the top pirates now and as Zoro said back in Punk Hazard, the New World is dangerous and there’s little time to be messing around. I don’t think Zoro’s condemning feeling emotional about Vegapunk’s death, rather he’s annoyed at the fact everyone is dwelling on it so much. After all, Zoro got emotional over Yasuie and also got emotional when he learned that Ace died in Luffy’s arms, he has no right to say that emotions don’t matter. He even had this same reaction to Sanji leaving in Zou; extreme harshness and anger hiding his distress and concern and other feelings that could be seen as “vulnerability”. What he did do in these instances though was grieve, accept the losses and move on, and I take it Zoro’s annoyed that no one else is doing that right now when they’re busy escaping a government funded island with elders and Admirals and whatnot
Overall though Zoro hasn’t been the same since stalling base Lucci, and ESPECIALLY not since Sanji called him a liability. I honestly think Zoro’s role as protector is slowly starting to weigh down on him as the arcs go by, especially Egghead, and while unlikely, we could see him crack at some point
you just made me remember that he saw what could possibly be death while he was injured after his battle with king in wano, he's been having a hard time for a while lol
I wasn't a fan of this moment, but I like the point you made about him emotionally detaching himself from Egghead and the shame that comes with remembering it. I'd really like to see him crack. Zoro's quite a static character for me atm, so I'd like to see more of that internal conflict.
When Lilith says that everyone’s alive we get a panel of the boat and then to the left the panel gets cut in to segments, to me that indicates that some time passes (I assume we skip the technical explanation for the time being), and then in the next page the cut panels come back and we rejoin to the point that they’re celebrating. Maybe Oda is saving the actual explanation for a moment that makes more sense thematically within the story
In that scene with Lilith explaining and everyone being "Okay, let's party". I feel like she actually did a full explanation, which was probably complicated enough for Luffy to not understand, but in a very Oda fashion, he cut that off (just like Luffy saying his dream), which goes very in line with the ending of "In short, Everyone is alive". I wouldn't be surprise if in some point in the future we get back to this scene in a flashback and have the full story
I took the Vegapunk thing LITERALLY. Like since he split himself into 7 different people, its 7 lives. I dont consider Lilith her own entity.
Lilith is definitely her own entity with her own will it’s just they have a hive mind of information.
Lilith got booty for days
7:28 that art matches so well with this chapter when kizaru was remembering his time with vegapunk and then at the end of it his dead body reflected in his glasses😭
18:38 I think it was Luffy that said "i don't get it" in the panel. I think he already satisfied with what Lilith said after that.
Any more explanation from Lilith, Luffy would probably just say, "oh miracle soul"
Regarding Franky, Jinbei, and Zoro, they probably don't know that Vegapunk was considered as a friend by Luffy.
Exactly, they probably just saw VP as a random old guy they met.
The Zoro stuff made sense to me, he's always played that role with the crew. He did something similar after Enies Lobby and Usopp wanted to rejoin the crew. I think him mentioning that Luffy is an Emperor of the Sea is important, and something that I think Luffy will have to deal with. He has to find a way to balance who he is with the expectations of not just being a Yonko, but essentially a god. Luffy can't shrug those titles off the way he does being called a hero. I think Zoro recognizes the stakes are only going to get higher and Luffy might have to go on after losing those closest to him, like his family or other Strawhats.
Personally I don't feel like Zoro's line was out of place 'cause I don't think he was being entirely rational, imo he was frustrated that Lucci was able to hold him back so long and that the crew failed to protect most of the Vegapunks so he's expressing that by saying Luffy should toughen up 'cause he doesn't know how to properly express those emotions (kinda like when Sanji left in Zou and Zoro was calling him a deadweight 'cause he didn't want to admit to being worried abt him)
either that or he and Jinbei knew/had a feeling that with Lilith alive, the mission basically succeeded bc she *is* Vegapunk.
@@veryde_3356Oh u think Zoro is that smart😅 Nah
The heck is wrong with y'all trying to make zoro a tsundre , it's just the way he is, always trying to keep luffy on track no matter the circumstances or whomever is involved, i mean he said it himself when usopp and luffy fought: "if you waver, who are we supposed to call captain"
I don't see how zoro's reaction is any harsher than the one he had when usop or sanji left the crew for example. I didn't find it out of character or weird when reading, he always has been that way.
He is the down to earth right hand man of luffy that really needs it at times, and he plays that role well when needed.
I hope Oda sees or has seen Tissine art, seeing art like that must be so inspiring for him.
The art is breathtaking!
I personally actually side more with Jimbe and Zoro on this one... maybe Oda have them give the lines they did in order to have a voice for the fans that felt that way. I wouldn't have expected Luffy to take it AS hard as he did either honestly.. Now, saying it's "pathetic" sounds a little overly harsh, but a part of me has to wonder if the Japanese equivalent carries a lesser negative connotation versus than the word "pathetic" does in English. ALSO, Zoro has ALWAYS held Luffy to a higher standard, to whatever title or position he held. Think back to Water 7 for example, him coaching Luffy on what it means to be "the captain." And I believe that's the ideal role and what you want from your right-hand man! That's what Zoro is there for!
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead.... playing with luci when he can fight with elder, mad because not finish fight when jinbei get him, now bad talk luffy when he upset about vegapunk die... i think zoro will fight with luffy in elbaf...
Idk. I can see why Zoro might not care as much about Vegapunk since he didn’t know him, and I don’t think his comment means he ACTUALLY respects Luffy less. But I don’t believe this is supposed to be considered a ‘good’ response even by his standards.
A good response is telling the crew not to waste their time on Vivi, or telling Luffy not to let Usopp walk all over him. A good response is NOT insulting his captain for mourning an ally/loss instead of partying when the crew are no longer in a state of emergency. Even if “pathetic” is less extreme in Japanese, I’d still just say this moment displays Zoro’s general weakness with emotional intelligence.
Zoro’s been carrying too much weight recently (I think it’s worth noting that Luffy never actually claimed a right hand, and Zoro takes on the responsibility for the crew and his captain out of personal obligation first and foremost), and with his near death on Wano and getting chewed out by the crew on Egghead, I think he just doesn’t know how to cope with the loss of Vegapunk on top of it.
While I’m sure Nami and the others were mostly upset in the heat of the moment, Sanji calling him a “liability” seems like actual confirmation that Zoro was underperforming and needed a wake up call. Because of this, I don’t even trust the right-hand rationality/wisdom without Luffy or Sanji to balance it out, and wouldn’t take it as gospel.
So all in all, I took this moment less as Zoro having a point, and more as Zoro trying to move on as quickly as possible to avoid the hurt- kind of like when he got salty about Sanji on Zou when he was worried. He’s just taking it out on Luffy because his mood isn’t letting him forget, which he’s impatient to do.
A more generous reading I’ve seen is that Zoro and Jinbei were satisfied with surviving and getting Lilith, so there’s that too.
I really felt for Akainu this chapter. All that power, relegated behind a desk. Losing contact with everyone for Oda only knows how long. He won't be sitting idly by during the next big event.
Silhouette piece is damn real
I love the character development for Kizaru ( Akainu calling Kizaru brother and sympathizing wasn't on my bingo card)
Vivi not wanting to release the news probably because the world government would use it to slander Luffy, but I want them new bounties
I'm so glad Oda didn't let the Strawhats disregard Vegapunk's death that was one of my biggest nitpicks from the last chapter
you've got a really brilliant artist btw. the artist does some amazing job
Another killer thumbnail 🔥🔥
Remember, Akainu could not kill Aokiji on their battle. I'm in the side of Akainu and Aokiji are still friends at the end of the day. Imo the OG 3 Admirals are quite close/rivals. Kizaru acting this way and asking his question probably hit him well that's why he apologized.
My guess is that it's not Edison who told Lilith what happened but rather all the other Vegapunks from his brain. As Lilith said they are not really dead, all the satelites are basically just proxies for Vegapunks brain to act through. Their mind is still just in there.
The information would've been updated by Atlas's final memories or a combination of hers, Stella's, and Edison's. I think it's safe to believe that it can automatically update. I don't see why it wouldn't if they can be connected to it at all times if they like.
7:30 i still feel that Kizaru wont Change sides he has pledged his Life to the World Government The spirit of a Samurai is all Over this story "Even if your Master turn out to be Wicked...if you pledged yourself to them Your Honorbound"
Holy shit that kizaru glasses art is so good
Zoro has a pattern of projecting disappointment in himself onto someone else. It's similar to when he yelled at Luffy to "get it together" on Punk Hazard. He feels bad for failing the goal, but if he shows it or dwells on it, he considers it weak. So he bottles it up, chugs some sake, and holds it together for everyone.
14:40 I think it was just Zoro being Zoro. Rough around the edges and absolutely zero filter. There is no analysis between "I'm thinking of saying it" and "I'm saying it."
I love him still but he sometimes such a brute 🙄
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead....
As someone who has served, and has friends who are still serving, the scene between kizaru and akainu really struck a chord with me. The higher ranking an individual is, the less humanity they seem to have retained. So seeing someone standing up for his internal battle against a higher up, and then seeing that higher up understand that in a mature way, is just profound to a soldier.
Akainu killed that marine back in summit war cuz he was corrupt and seeing him fleeing from war just gives akainu the perfect excuse to kill him.. akainu was actually a marine that is dignified and will do anything for his justice even in the most brutal way
Merphy changing the upload time to trick people XD
With this chapter, I'm now convinced that Kizaru was not actually down completely that he cannot stand after his clash with Luffy.
Maybe he is physically hurt, but not that much that he could not stand. He CHOSE not to stand again not because he is hurt physically but because he is EMOTIONALLY scarred at that time. He is hurting emotionally.
He also completed his job of killing the Stella
We started Egghead with Lilith and now we end Egghead with Lilith
As far as Zoro, remember Zoro is the reality check of the crew at all times. The backbone of the crew always is and has been Zoro... This goes in small incidents in the early portion of the series up to Usopp leaving and then to thriller bark... However Zoro has never shyed away from letting it be known you must continue to earn and uphold his respect. This seems to be a continuing theme in the second in commands reminding their captains and reeling in their captains to upholding their positions . Thru Zoro, killer, Rayleigh in the flashbacks we've seen
I think Zoro is also feeling bad and is just venting
That's what I thought too since he tends to be more stoic and suspicious towards people he doesn't know too well but deep down even tho he doesn't show it, he usually cares a lot 😭
I was thinking the same thing, i got reminded of how he reacted at the end of alabasta when everyone was sad to leave vivi and he was "not bothered"
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead....
copium from zoro fans
Aside from the Vivi thing, the only other time I can think of where Zoro was perceived as an asshole despite something else going on was Sanji’s disappearance in Zou. Zoro had never lashed out so angrily and dismissively before, not when Nami, Usopp or Robin left, but he suddenly switched for Sanji and Luffy called him out for it. His line about Vegapunk really reminded me of Zou. Made me think that he’s already trying to distance himself emotionally from Egghead entirely, not just because it’s for the best that they forget the past so they can focus on the future, but also because he doesn’t WANT to remember his and the crew’s failures. Him calling Vegapunk “that geezer” instead of his actual name supports this
YES! I am so with you on your point about Kizaru. From the START he was very clear that this was not something he wanted. Kizaru has been my favorite Admiral since I first saw him and to get this from him makes this an immediate top moment for me.
So, the running theory of who's on Elbaf in the final panel is Scopper Gaban, the left-hand man of Gol D. Roger. It would kind of make sense since his weapons are Nordic looking axes, and Shanks said he was meeting "old friends" while he was there. And I saw someone mention this, and it blew me away, but we saw Roger first (Gol D. = Gold), then Rayleigh(Silvers = Silver), so it would make sense to see Scopper next (Scopper = Copper).
I didn't think about that, I always assumed he was just talking about Dorry and Brogy.
It also makes sense as Crocus, Rayleigh and Scopper are kinda of like waypoint guardians of the grandline. Crocus at the entrance into the GL (Reverse Mountain), Rayleigh at the Halfway point (Sabaody Archipelago) coating ships so that those in pursuit of OP can continue their journey; and Scopper near the end of the New World (Elbaf) for those that make it that far.
from how i was reading the zoro scene was more to show us that they are also frustrated that they couldn't do better.
zoro saying it's pathtic for me tells me that he feels pathtic cuz he expected them to succeed especielly now that they are a yonko crew.
but ya weird scene
It's not abt that
Maybe but i took it more as zoro expects luffy to be more mature and stoic now that he is a yonko
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead.... playing with luci when he can fight with elder, mad because not finish fight when jinbei get him, now bad talk luffy when he upset about vegapunk die... i think zoro will fight with luffy in elbaf...
I believe its different. Zoro understands grief and having to go through it . But moping is not the right thing in his mind. We NEVER see zoro moping and he doesnt expect his captain to mope around either. He expects him to try to be better and move on. Not skulk around being lazy
@@mayursharma7594 Careful bro. You will cut yourself with that much edge. Showing human emotions is not being lazy.
I love Tissine’s Art so much
After watching Merphy chapter review I automatically went straight to Tissine’art on twitter 😂❤
Love both of you so much
Carrying one piece community on the back
Completely agree that the "Vegapunk is alive" thing came and went so suddenly, I also had to check if I missed a page. Random vague statement then cheering then...hard cut to somewhere else
wow both art looks stunning!!!
Tissine is the most cracked One Piece fan artist out here goddamn.
I could be wrong, but I think Jinbei and Zoro are both thinking Luffy’s grief is surprising/silly because they understand on some level that Lilith being alive means they succeeded, that Luffy didn’t really fail. In the panel where Lilith says Vegapunk still alive, Jinbei’s, Zoro’s and Franky’s faces aren’t there, so I think they had an inkling all along that they’d succeeded in their mission.
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Why cant more people understand this simple fact i dont understand
I disagree. I believe zoro isnt angry at luffy for grieving , but moping. He was the person responsible for bringing out vegapunk and failed. So zoro believes luffy shouldnt mope around .
Luffy specifically says "Apple gramps". I doubt Luffy fully understood that the satellites = VP (as well as a chunk of the fandom given some of the discussions I've seen).
The dialogue between Kizaru and Akainu was so spot on, and Kizaru's reaction so impactful, that I overlooked the rest of the chapter. But yeah, you're absolutely right about Jinbei and Zoro, and maybe the emotions switched too quickly with Luffy and the others, celebrating too fast, etc. This time, it's the Marines who have the best writing, haha.
Hi, Merphy! On page 11, when Lilith says, "You see, the truth is..." you'll notice on the left of that panel and on the right of Chopper's reaction panel are those bars which denote the passage of time and/or a change in scene. It's implied by her next line ("In short... / ...they're all alive!!!") Lilith explains the situation to them at greater length off-screen, rejoining the audience in time for us to get the gist of it. It's not something I noticed right away in my eagerness to read the chapter, but it was pointed out to me later. Many someones may already have told you the same thing as I, but I hope it's been of help nevertheless. I'm more of a lurker, so allow me to add: Thank you so much for your videos! Your enthusiasm is infectious, and your personal insights interesting and of value. Tissine as well-her artwork is consistently stunning, and as a lifelong hobbyist myself, I can't help but admire her style! You and yours please take care. 😊
I think Zoro's line was him talking about himself as well. Hes not smiling and drowning himself in alcohol. He hates that he couldn't do his job as well.
I would like to point out that luffy wasnt grieving vega punk's death as much as moping about it. Vegapunk's wellbeing was luffy's responsibility and him moping about it instead of standing up about his mistakes snd trying to do better is what i think zoro is quoting. He did the same when he fought. After he fought mihawk , he didnt start moping about his mistake , he cried but he strived to do better and promised luffy to be better. Now that he is looking at luffy moping around after they came so far, he is once again reminding him of his duty as the captain.
I felt like it was pretty clear that Lillith was saying she could in one way or another, bring the others back. That's why they moved on I believe.
Zoro’s line made perfect sense to me. He’s upset, drinking, a little shaken at the strength of the elders, and he’s always been the one to hold Luffy to the image of captain. He knows the whole crews shook and Luffy being upset effects the whole crew
I feel like we're just missing a few panels/a page of Lillith better explaining her perspective to Luffy and friends. Other than that I loved this chapter! What Zoro said feels in character to me, I think he's always struggled with expressing his emotions in a healthy way and is just trying to rationalise stuff because he hates seeing the man he respects so much upset. He's always been a kind person who puts on a cold front since we met him.
The pages with the conversation between Kizaru and Akainu were probably the best in a long time for me, and that's saying something. So short, but you really feel Kizaru's pain and see a side of him we've never seen. And Akainu actually saying "My bad brother, I shouldn't doubt you" is probably the first likeable thing he's ever done or said. That's peak One Piece right there. Honestly I'd love to get more behind the scenes of the Marines, the dynamic between the admirals has always been fascinating, exploring the human side of these almost machine like monsters from a pirate POV.
I just can't wait for Kizaru's full backstory. I feel like it's gonna be amazing
You definitely hit the nail on the head with things feeling a bit rushed -- it seems crazy to say it but it's so very true, that as long as One Piece is, it truly feels like it needs to be even *LONGER* -- we sorely need more time for various points to be given time to breathe, we sorely need more time for each straw hat to get more attention, we need more 'strawhat hangout time' between arcs, we need more care given to various characters' stories having more satisfying conclusions like Carrot getting to do ANYTHING in Wano for example, I get that Oda's wanted the series to end sooner than it is since the beginning and I get that after nearly 30 years he probably wants to take a break and/or write a different story, but ironically the one thing this ridiculously long series needs is even more length I feel lol
Based on the Japanese, what the silhouette is saying sounds like "bring it on" a bit more than just "come"
Another Ohara/Egghead parallel I've noticed though it feels more implied than directly shown, is that I believe Borsalino provided Sentomaru with the rowboat and supplies to get away while everyone else was rendered unconscious. It would add additional weight to the tears in Sentomaru's eyes, and it fits with the timing of Borsalino answering Sakazuki's call. It's my interpretation of those panels at least, informed by what already happened between Kuzan, Robin, and Saul.
i think Zoro is in his serious protector mode,just like he did when he scold Luffy in Punk Hazard
they're now a Yonko,more threat will come to them
and they have been in an insanely dangerous and threatening situating back to back in like 1-2 week
and he got pushed back by the sword elder
the way i see it,he's just venting,not serious,which is understandable
edit:the way i see it,every dead vegapunk goes to Lilith now,and speak to her in her headset,so Edison might still alive,just in low power mode sneaking around in Punk Record
i predict he will be critical in the last battle when we need to sabotage the Punk Record at the hand of the WG
my theory some good personality of zoro its gone when he see death reaper in wano... because i feel zoro offset in egghead.... playing with luci when he can fight with elder, mad because not finish fight when jinbei get him, now bad talk luffy when he upset about vegapunk die... i think zoro will fight with luffy in elbaf...
Zoro always act like that when he is most insecure, he can't bring himself to acknowledge failure (he reacted in a similar way when Sanji was taken to Whole Cake, lying that he doesn't care)
His insecurities also caused him to get stuck fighting a stupid leopard, this is just a continuation of his character arc
My favorite idea on who the mystery man is that he’s a member of Roger’s crew who’s been chilling with the giants, waiting for the one Roger was waiting for himself. Scooper would be likely as if you go off the naming theory “Copper) would be the 3rd in command compared to Gol D and Silvers.
I like the idea that it’s Loki, though if we’re leaning into Norse Mythology Hiemdol would make more sense.
My least favorite idea is that it’s Shiki. He’s a (in my subjective opinion) boring movie character whose only role in the story should be minor cameos like the one in the Kuma flashback.
That might be my one of my favorite thumbnails of all time 🔥🔥🔥
I 110% disagree with egghead ending feeling rushed it's been ending for like 10 chapters
i think she more so just meant the interactions in this chapter. it was a really short chapter so a lot of the moments had to be wrapped within 1-2 pages. just didn’t feel as dragged out as it maybe should’ve been. i’d agree with the transition at the end from luffy grieving to celebrating, it did feel a bit too quick of a turn around for me as well.
@@uncookedshoe i dontk now i been in the patraon and i watch the live she know that i been complain about the long eding of the arc for like 10 chapters
Lilith saying that everyone are alive may be referring to vegapunks plan from the previous chapter. Vegapunk who already plan on his death and already found out who the traiter is, before he erased that of his memory for survival put which ever vegapunk survives should inherit all other's memory and become the main host of his brain and the erased master plan will be revealed to them. That is what the whole chapter 1126 was about
the misunderstanding with zoro's line this chapter is a simple case of reading comprehension. Zoro is a proud man. Zoro finished off Lucci only when Sanji taunted him. Not being able to save this geezer was failure for him. He copes by reflecting off his captain saying it wasn't even that imp[ortant. He copes, he seethes.
Borsalino's grief fuelled rage is so cathartic
I like the parallel between Luffy and Kizaru here with Luffy mourning because he felt like he felt obligated to keep a promise to his friend and failed, while Kizaru felt obligated to his duty and succeeded.
It feels like Garp and Luffy dynamic at Marineford except for the fact that Luffy succeeds in rescuing Ace. Ace ofc dies because he went back but Luffy and Garp both were left mourning because the action Ace took in the same way Luffy and Kizaru were both left mourning because the actions that Vegapunk took.
I personally think the Jinbe line about not expecting Luffy to be so down about letting VP die was an issue with the unofficial translation I read (he says something along the lines of "I've never seen Luffy this depressed") but it was fixed with the official translation in my mind. He has seen Luffy get down when he fails to save someone he promised to save, but the last time he saw it happen was with his brother. I feel like that's sufficiently different than this situation that Jinbe being surprised makes sense, after all, he literally met the guy 24 hours ago, and still sort of kept his promise in getting Lilith off EH which I think was really all VP was asking for considering how ready he was to die on the way down to the fabriophase and Lilith's words this chapter.
Awesome art, Tissine! I up like how you used only blue, instead of full color. Kizaru is feeling very blue right now. His face is in shadow. His coat is billowing, like sails. If only it were sails, and he could leave, just like Sentemaru. ❤❤❤
I just can't imagine Kizaru being the one who fed Luffy now as it would undercut that powerful scene with Akainu. Love the Kizaru analysis and of course Tissine's artwork for the admiral always catches the nuance in his character.
I think Zoro is trying to speak to himself through Luffy. Zoro hasn't got the best relationship around death.
I found really interesting the reactions of Zoro and Robin in this chapter and how they have changed emotionally trough all the saga. I remember in the beginning Zoro was a more happy guy, he laughed more but somehow after every battle and difficult situation he builds his stoic persona even further pushing his emotions inside and doesn't know how to deal with loss. Every time the Strawhats lose someone Zoro acts like a jerk (Ussop in water 7, Sanji in whole cake, etc), he doesn't want to be affected by tragedy, he pushes it down. It was harsh but it was on point for Zoro's character in my opinion. On the other side, the wonderful panel of Robin at the end of the chapter... she was that cold, stoic woman that won her crewmates calculating their "weaknesses" and then in each travel she became softer, reliant, protector and protected around her new found family. This last image of her hugging Chopper is, as the whole arc, her letting her emotions be shown, happy, fearless. How she has changed for the better!! And Zoro...is becoming a Mihawk 2.0. I loved this arc. And Tissine art is amazing, as always.
By the way, I find the last silhouette looks like a squirrel, the way is resting and it looks like it has a tail. I remembered in the Nordic mythology there is a messenger squirrel that travel Yggdrasill sending messages. Maybe it's the messenger waiting for the arrival, I don't know, it's a wild wild guess, but I think it's a new character.
The art by Tissine is always fire🔥😆
Zoros been acting kind of weird since he saw death in wano. Between his request for vegapunk at the beginning of the arc, his behavior during his fight with lucci, and now his comment this chapter, I think oda is indicating that something abnormal is going on with zoro.
The whole point with the Vegapunks is that I believe everyone ":died" that we saw "die," but since they are a hive, "they live on," and Lilith is getting updated data from either a back-up hub someplace, or it's just built into her headset.
Zoros line was completely in line with his character, he's really upset about it too, but when he's upset he just tends to become mean, like when sanji left in whole cake and with robin during water 7, when he was told she betrayed them and he responded by going 'lol i dont really care too much' when he was actually really hurting, i think he's doing the same thing here
The way I understood that moment, Zoro is worried that Luffy keeps shouldering more and more responsability and his decisions will become more and more complicated, so in his duty-focused way he is commenting that Luffy cannot afford to be mopping every time they lose someone. Having said that, I totally agree the panel comes across as callous and unexpected from someone who rutinely risks his life to save people they've know for a few hours and knows how Luffy is, it did rub me the wrong way.
I will say that the Yasuie comparison regarding the Zoro line is disingenuous, to an extent. That situation took place during a, not uncritical time, but a time where the main event (the raid) was yet to come. Zoro got to (we got to see) spend quality time with Yasuie.
Meanwhile, on egghead, the entire SH crew was trying to get the hell out of there. Everyone was in the thick of things. Luffy’s status as an emperor was truly relevant during this time. Then for Vegapunk, Luffy didn’t really spend a lot of quality time with him; his care and understanding of him was mostly through the promise and the feelings of others. So looking through the pragmatic eyes of Zoro, combining with holding Luffy in a higher standard (the highest of standards) like he’s done before, we managed to get out of here alive, only losing the life of one guy our captain barely met today. Zoro wasn’t holding himself to an emperor standard with Yasuie. I will say though that Zoro could’ve delivered the harshness of this line much more softer, with more understanding, which is where the Yasuie aspect I think fits. However, I think the overall idea Zoro is trying to get at is appropriate.
Not only that, Zoro got mad, not hopping around. He was seeking vengeance, not being depressive. This was harsh on Zoro's part agree, but I don't think it's out of character. In his head, Luffy is too much of a big dog to get sad when an ally dies. "It happens; they are no longer rookies not used to losing allies''. If Luffy had got furious and was talking about going after Kizaru for vengeance, Zoro would be thinking the same thing, but Luffy is moping around, and he thinks that is "pathetic".
I very much hope we get more backstory on our admirals. Kizaru has been my favorite character since his introduction and this arc was great for him
Im calling it now, Kizaru was a part of Stella's plans and part of Kizarus conflict was Kizaru making the decision to Unalive his best friend as per Stella's wish. He (Kizaru) finally decided to respect Stellas wish and tries to unalive him but what happens? Sanji steps in and blocks his attack, we then see Kizarus shocked face.
Borsalino: Hey Sakazuki, have you ever had to kill your best friend?
In the first layer, of course that's Kuzan but in ONE PIECE it's not just one layer ... Yeah that best friend was Monkey D. Dragon 💯
If it helps anyone with the Zoro line. Zoro always says Luffy needs to be bigger than himself. He basically told Luffy to fight Usopp back in water 7 not to be callous but because Luffy is the captain
Tissine has been going crazy on these pieces
I really love all the parallels to ohara in this arc. Kizaru and Aokiji being forced into what seems to be their first great moral conflict. They both choose to side with the WG but in the aftermath they regret it and even allow some people to escape. Seeing where aokiji ended up, I wonder what’s going to be kizaru’s next step. Also the little bit of dialogue we’ve gotten from Akainu this arc has done wonders for his character. We got to see him express empathy for kizaru and kuma. I really need to see what made him into the man that he is now. In general the admirals all seem to be on thin ice with their relationship to the world government. Fujitora is actively against their interest and has been banned from all marine bases, kuzan is now a Blackbeard pirate, kizaru just suffered the worst day of his life and essentially quit the mission after killing his best friend. Even Akainu has been shown to have an increasingly turbulent relationship with the gorosei and nobles. Greenbull is the only character that hasn’t had any trouble with authority so far but considering he’s a staunch supporter of Akainu, I wonder what his reaction would be to Akainu attempting something like a coup. While I don’t believe Akainu would ever become good, I do see him trying to other throw the current system and imposing an even more authoritarian regime with himself at the helm
I took the whole Lilith thing saying he's not dead was that punk records is active so he is essentially still alive