wow that's a lot of power for such a small motor! I think the reason eBikes feel safer at higher speeds around 35 - 40 mph is because we're able to maintain the flow of traffic and travel at the same speed as cars.
@@gursisingh1940 you could say the same for a motorbike. I think as long as you have sensibly sized tires like 2.4" width then there isn't any difference.
@@warlockboyburns a motorbike is built for those speeds, is heavier so more stable, has better suspensions in general... and you are more likely to have a full body armour on a motorcycle than on a pedal assited bicycle which can still make you sweat
I just went 33 mph on my fat ebike today--over 30 is too fast--- and I have no clue--and I am an ex mountainbiker if these tires are made for anything over 35 mph.I got mine to cruise and do trails--I just like the torque part--extended hi speeds is not what i got it for.I know years ago when a freind worked at a bike sore--the high speed bike tires for like the tour de france types were very expensive and meant for hi speed.
This was a really helpful video, I was about to grab the BAC1000 controller, but if the stock version can already achieve those speeds it would be a waste for my needs. Now I just need to find a suitable full suspension bike to put this on, one that can accommodate a large battery in the frame preferably
Anybody catch that Mount Everest over 10 grand 40 mph ebike that's out now? things are a lot different than a year ago... There's a lot more mid-drives out now also dual suspension...
I actually have one on order, it was shipped out last night. I ordered mine with the Bac2000 controller. It will be arriving in 1 to 2 weeks, and I ordered it about a month ago. The company is really nice and helpful. I will be mounting it on a home built two seater recumbent tadpole trike. I would like to know what voltage you were running? I'll be starting off with my 48v batteries, but I'm in the process of ordering and building a 72v battery out of 21700 cells. My plan is to add a full fairing / turn it into a velomobile, in order to take even further advantage of the motors power. Oh, I believe that the motor you're running is the X1 Pro Gen2, the X1 Pro Gen1 (has no wait between ordering and shipping, I believe). Anyone looking at doing this should look into high-speed motorcycle wheels.
CYC now says wait time is about 6 weeks. I bought mine through a dealer here in Europe, they also said 6 weeks wait time. 3 days later I had my motor :D Was not expecting it so fast, so now I still have to wait for my new bike before I can use it. Can't wait...
@@alen-commentnazi8774 Sorry, I am not getting notifications from youtube...I have since changed my stance on my BBSHD motor builds...I have installed steel gears, stronger motor rotors, heat sinks all over the outside, and Luna Cycle V2 controllers. Now they run 3000 watts with tons of torque and super smooth operation. If I get a 72v battery, I can safely pump out 4000 watts all day. I am very pleased with the updated BBSHD performance. Cheers.
This is scary fast. I not only would want a motorcycle helmet but knee guards, motorcycle boots,etc. I wonder how this would be with a pedicab or a larger delivery bike (like UPS uses).
I'd love to know two things...what bike did you trust to strap on that much power, and is there an advantage to buying a bike with as many gears as I can get?
I know your question is a year old but, actually a disadvantage to having lots of gears with this type of setup. The more gears, the thinner the chain.
I have the gen 3. I put it on an old Santa Cruz Blur XL. It's great, lots of power. I have set up 3 powersettings in the controller. I find that anything over 2500 watts is really too much for my bike frame and suspension. So mine is set P1 to 750 watts for the bike trails, P2 1500 for street and P3 2500 for fun. I rarely need to use 2500. If you get this make absolutely sure your rear derailler stays tuned to perfection and DO NOT shift under load.
The nice thing with this much power is that you don't need gears, so you can use a single-speed bike. That way you can use a stronger chain or belt-drive. Only thing they need to fix is the noise. Then it would be the perfect ebike motor.
hahahaha you are soooo wrong dude, those little motors hate being loaded up with single speeds, no idea where you people keep coming up with this myth "electrics don't need gears" from, it's bullshit!!
@@finlandjourney6065 those little motors love gears! especially when towing or climbing hills or both and yes you are right they'll burn out when you load them up by not have gears and low enough gears at that ...
Thanks that was a nice quick to the point description of the cyc. I definitely feel safer when I keep up with traffic then it passing me by all the time cutting me off as long as I have juice disc brakes good tires. I am a Harley Rider so I know the rules of the road believe it or not I'm planning on a Texas or bus from New England I have people there where I was born I'm going to take good old route 1 to route 66 West young man go west. I've done the trip before but never on such a leisurely plan as I have this time I don't care how long it takes me to get there as long as I just get there and get there safely. I'll be pulling up sleep camper behind me it's a bicycle lightweight trailer 4 ft wide and 7 ft long. So if I do two or three hundred miles a day I'll be happy. Keep a KOA Kamping on America map in my back pocket. That, truck stops, and motel 6 with inclement weather. I've already done it a couple times on my Harley so let's get back to that motor. Did you build that battery pack with the other cells. I surely would like to talk to you about that a little more as I was planning on a 72 volt but they're made with 18650s also. I hope you catch this comment and can get back to me. I'm going to go back and take notes on the type of cells you used on your battery build. I'm also going to leave my email for easier to contact me. Thanks again. Talk soon I hope franksplace55@gmail.com HAPPY TRAILS 👍🙏🇺🇸
heh, yeah I was playing around with a power to weight ratio calculator... my 1500w 65 lb Bafang Ultra eBike has the same PWR as the Prius = 23 watts per lb. If I upgrade the controller to make it 3000w, it would be equivalent to a VW Golf. Thought that was interesting, puts things into perspective.
Thanks for the review, I'm loving the form factor and power of this kit. I'm seriously considering fitting it to my old Whyte carbon hardtail MTB. From what you have said in previous comments, regarding torque sensing and pedal assist, I'm thinking that maybe I don't require the throttle. I like the feeling of assistance that torque sensing gives, is it possible to run this system without the throttle connected?
If you wanted a '50 mph' street version, where would you get the frame? I'd want something close to a very light motorcycle. The specs are impressive. It looks like a beautiful design, like the weight. The Inja made a 20 kw e-motorcycle on a Chinese frame, huge battery. His controller is gargantuan. His hub motor would not work so well for trails. This might scale up for a 10 kw street motorcycle, maybe dual, not highway speeds. Was wondering if it was US but site says Hong Kong.
For higher speeds you don't want your steering to be too twitchy, so you need larger than anerage rake and trail, and you'll want full suspension to keep your tires glued to the road. The only way to adjust rake and trail on a bike as far as I know is to have differently sized wheels in front and back, a 29er with a rear 26in wheel for example.
Thanks great video. I got a Trek 4500 all aluminum 26 " wheels 19" frame clueless to what i need to made it fit ? Which company would recommend to order from ? There are so many.
Is it better quality than bbshd??? That bbshd with the external controller is the way to go.. The cyclone 3000w don't look so well made any feedback would be appreciated.
@@gbrldz0 what battery to put at least 3000w continues???? I was thinking of getting the cyclone 1680 w that puts about 2000w continuous, wants to be a 24ah at least, as I would want a 35 mile range for work. I need 2 bikes for work incase one broke down. No driving for 3 years so need transport
looks awesome....however the noise level seems to by pretty loud! other than that....im all for it...love max speeds....reminds me of my days with kawasaki ninjas both the 600R and 1000R. Im fairly new to ebikes and at 55 yrs old i have to think anytime of crash would hurt more than ever lol...so for that reason only....i would maybe stick to 1000watts bafang bbshd. And if i was to buy a whole new bike id go with the Bafang m620 Ultra,,,again only because of its much quieter sound levels! great vid though...learned alot!
I literally just asked this question and then realized I should look for a comments answering my question before I write it! Hahah whoops! Have you tried it with wider tires? Or are you just stating what seems to be the obvious? Thanks for your help I was looking into a Luna cycle 3000 W cyclone motor, but then I saw this guy…
Seems reasonable. For me, I commuted at 30 to 33 almost everyday for a couple years. That didn't phase me. I went 44 on a modded bafang conversion, and I was scared the thing would fall apart.
I had a merida big nine a bafang 750watt conversion made the whole frame twist around something gave up lol the cheap China pedal arms ripped the threads from the arms so I ditched a diy project work £1200 since teh moyor cost me £500 and a a £200 battery yea it was starting to screw the frame up alongside blowing up race tyres I am just gonna stick to a good old fashion 12 speed hardtail it's plenty for getting work anyway
@@mikeyg5159 well yer because the bafang, which i'm guessing was the bbshd with a external control mod, , they have modded bbshd to 2-3k peak power, given that it has a max torque rating of 160nm i would that without a strong af frame and wheels, i'd shit my pants too lol
Hi there I'm from the Datex group on FB. I also have a Mate X bike. How's this cyc x1pro going for you. Wats the top speed and range you get. How's the torque
I've been looking at this motor for awhile now I'm just trying to figure out how to do my build before I pull the trigger on it.IMO it the best ebike motor know to man lol 😂💯
I hear the current lead time is much shorter, looking around June. If you go for it now, you'll have a bit of time to find a bike and make your preparations.
@@mikeyg5159 ok when I buy the motor could you give me a price on the battery?I know you can build me a good one I'm thinking something around 72 volts.What do you think bro?
What's the torque sensing like on this motor? For me it's between this and the bbshd but I'd rather have a motor with torque sensing so it still feels like a bike. I see it's a gen 2 in the review, the newer version with torque sensing. Just waiting for a review of it before I pull the trigger :)
This motor has a torque sensor. I didn't focus too much on it during the review, but here's my take on it: The torque sensor on the bike is a welcome addition, since cadence sensors (I feel) are just a throttle controlled by your feet. At low speeds and off road the CYC torque sensor does very well, but the gearing of my bike couldn't keep up after around 20mph. At high output, the motor outpaced the gearing almost instantly, and I couldn't keep tension to engage the motor. Perhaps I should have gone with the larger front chainring from CYC (I got the middle one). The motor would still power after I lost tension, but at that point I was in "foot throttle" mode. The motor can shine off-road using that torque sensor, but that's only using a fraction of the motor's potential.
It would seem that 5kW would thrash out the chain and sprocket. I've heard of a 3kW that includes a beefier chain and sprocket on the left side, forgot their name. Thanks for mentioning the bike itself 👍
Do you think this be safer on a slightly wider tire mountain bike? It looks really tasty! Been looking into the psych loan 3000 W motor by Luna, but this looks even more enticing :-) let me know if you can! Thank you
can somebody explain to me why the cranks are not moving @ 2:13? i haven't understood how mid drives work yet. i assume you can peddle at the same time on your desired gear? so whatever gear you are on, the mid drive is too?
what about battery consumption? I ride a bike with Bafang rear motor 500W 48V, 55Nm torque, battery 24.5 Amp 48V. It's given me 8 to 10hrs ride at the speed of 30 Kmh.
looks like you got alot of slack chain tension, pretty sure those motors have the wide chain with them but obv you can't use them with the cassette this is using
looks like fun! the first thing i would do though, is be SUPER careful about the batteries!! there's a gazillion ways for that to go wrong. only buy complete battery and charger assemblies that have been tested and certified as safe.
@@mikeyg5159 Anderson connectors are 30amp maximum and I can't see unless all the wires and nickel strips are doubled it's going to struggle to pass 50 amps unless you have loads of cells.
It took 2 months to get ready to ship, and the delay was mostly because I wanted to wait for the new bac855 and the bottom bracket size (100mm). Once shipped it took a week and half to get to LA.
I see you live in SLC and I want to know how it does going up little cottonwood canyon? That's my daily drive and I'm thinking of getting an Ebike for LCC, but I not sure of any Ebikes can handle are steep canyons.
My 1500 watt Aostirmotor Ebike can do 49 mph out of the box with quick manual setup. I'm like you, I don't need to go that fast yet it's nice to know it's got the speed if needed.
4:02 72V system with 100A on max charged is 84v x 100A = 8,5kW !!! That's crazy... It's better than surrons AND it's super light Surron will be x2 heavier, which is like 25kg of dragging weight. Being rider of 75kg with 25kg bike, surron is required to use 25% for dragging more weight! CYC is like having 10kW Surron!
I have mine on order. Just received my 21ah/52v battery from Electrify Bike Co. to pair with it. I'm converting a 2012 Brodie Bandit hard tail. Will do 3 videos. The first on the stock bike and drive train. The second after upgrading the drive train to a Box components 1x9 Box 2 Prime 9 Ebike drivetrain which I also received a couple of weeks ago. And for the third video I am going to open up the gearbox, clean out the stock grease and regrease it with Planetsafe AIM grease to see how much cooler and quieter it runs. The only bummer is I got taken out on my bike 10 days ago by an SUV and suffered a busted humerus proximal and ribs. Doc says I will be healed by the time the motor arrives in early April. So the timing is good. Cannot wait to get that motor on my Brodie.
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Can I use that for a motorbike conversion to electric? I mean, 5kW is a lot!
You are right - bicycles weren't designed to go > 30 MPH. Sure, there are road bikes that go down hills at 50+ not a good idea on a regular basis. I built a 1K watt BBS-HD and at 35 MPH top speed, it didn't feel safe. That said, the swift off the line acceleration at lights and when getting into a left-hand turn lane did give added confidence. The full-face helmet is a great idea. Gloves would be too as the hands will hit the ground first.
Ile stick to 750watt since you can do 30mph and 40mph on a pretty low watt throw a 52volr battery and it could do 47mph so how much power do you need you only need asist mode throttle ebikes should be classed as mopeds
If the Cyclone 3k Watt mid drive motor is akin to a 250cc dirt bike what would this CYC 5k watt mid drive motor be equivalent to in the dirt bike world? Also how good is it going up steep hills compared to the Cyclone 3k watt mid drive?
hahahaha what? who told you that bullshit? 3k cyclone is nothing like a 250cc dirt bike it's not even 125cc, i've done 30,000km (19,000miles) on my 3k cyclone never have i tried comparing it to either lol it's not even 80cc dirt bike hahahaha
@@buffalomind6838 the point is you don't need to use all the power they have but when you need it for hill climbing for an example, keep your speed down and enjoy ........... don't buy this thing tho get the cyclone 3k it's got power and it's quiet oh and use gears!
Running a mid drive 1500 bufang ,can get 35 without much effort but I have been on a bike since I could just after i 🚶♂️, its a learning curve ,a big 1 the dynamics r so different,,be careful and wear clothing appropriately, it hurts
Yes it makes perfect sense to drive fast on a canyon road where you can fall off the cliff, but not on straight flat roads in a neighborhood where at worst you might get hit by a car driving 10mph.
is it worth going from BBSHD to this? not sure if the noise of this kit will become too much in long distances. So far I've been very happy with my BBSHD, reliable and durable... I guess what's not broken you don't fix. Don't really need my bike going 40+ mph, as you said, around 30 mph the bike doesn't feel happy.
If you're topping out at 30 even the BBS02B will easily do that. If you want to go that fast up steep hills then the Bafang will start to slow down and you will need to furiously pedal (I've had 15 mph up a 20% pedaling furiously and mashing the throttle). Haven't used the CYC X1 but could probably do steep hills at 30 based on power figures. Going fast eats your battery life so I tend to cruise in the lower 20s in assist level 2 on mine if I need to do a 40 mile ride, and even slower if longer. I might even set the speed limiter now I know it works.
The ASI BAC controllers look nice but they are too expensive and hard to buy. They only sell an "eval kit" which you have to exchange a bunch of emails with them before they'll even sell it to you (and sometimes don't answer you at all if they don't think you're worthy). If they sold the BAC on Amazon for $199 and gave you the software, maybe a few general guidelines for programming it, seems like they would make a killing.
eh.. my 50 year old stamped steel moped going 60mph when it is designed for 30mph is scary! building an X1 on a modern mtb with big brakes is going to be way yyyy more stable ;)
What would happened if your custom made ebike has this cyc monster with a rear wheel rohloff integrated gear hub??? Now thats a sight i would gladly see.
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wow that's a lot of power for such a small motor! I think the reason eBikes feel safer at higher speeds around 35 - 40 mph is because we're able to maintain the flow of traffic and travel at the same speed as cars.
No 35-40 mph is not safe on a bicycle, I'd say max 30 mph is actually still good enough for traffic, if you fall at 30+ you getting hurt, a lot
@@gursisingh1940 you could say the same for a motorbike. I think as long as you have sensibly sized tires like 2.4" width then there isn't any difference.
@@warlockboyburns a motorbike is built for those speeds, is heavier so more stable, has better suspensions in general... and you are more likely to have a full body armour on a motorcycle than on a pedal assited bicycle which can still make you sweat
@@gursisingh1940 it's never felt sketchy for me with biggish tyres actually kind of boring when it's that stable. Always ride carefully.
I just went 33 mph on my fat ebike today--over 30 is too fast--- and I have no clue--and I am an ex mountainbiker if these tires are made for anything over 35 mph.I got mine to cruise and do trails--I just like the torque part--extended hi speeds is not what i got it for.I know years ago when a freind worked at a bike sore--the high speed bike tires for like the tour de france types were very expensive and meant for hi speed.
I LOVE my CYC X1 Pro motor kits ! I have both Gen1 and Gen2 !!! The performance is amazing ! #throttle
Dylan how many miles can I get with motor. I want to use a 1600 watt battery. What do you think?
@@christopherfeiler551 16Ah ? What voltage you running Christopher?
Dylan I’m not sure. It’s a Stealth P7r. Must be at least 24 amps?
This was a really helpful video, I was about to grab the BAC1000 controller, but if the stock version can already achieve those speeds it would be a waste for my needs.
Now I just need to find a suitable full suspension bike to put this on, one that can accommodate a large battery in the frame preferably
Anybody catch that Mount Everest over 10 grand 40 mph ebike that's out now? things are a lot different than a year ago... There's a lot more mid-drives out now also dual suspension...
I actually have one on order, it was shipped out last night. I ordered mine with the Bac2000 controller. It will be arriving in 1 to 2 weeks, and I ordered it about a month ago. The company is really nice and helpful. I will be mounting it on a home built two seater recumbent tadpole trike. I would like to know what voltage you were running? I'll be starting off with my 48v batteries, but I'm in the process of ordering and building a 72v battery out of 21700 cells. My plan is to add a full fairing / turn it into a velomobile, in order to take even further advantage of the motors power. Oh, I believe that the motor you're running is the X1 Pro Gen2, the X1 Pro Gen1 (has no wait between ordering and shipping, I believe). Anyone looking at doing this should look into high-speed motorcycle wheels.
Yes, I used 72 volts. I also used a 52v battery to cart me around to where I did testing.
CYC now says wait time is about 6 weeks. I bought mine through a dealer here in Europe, they also said 6 weeks wait time. 3 days later I had my motor :D Was not expecting it so fast, so now I still have to wait for my new bike before I can use it. Can't wait...
Wow, that was fast! I'm also looking into getting a CYC Gen2 motor from Europe, which dealer did you get yours from?
@@NickDox fasterbikes.eu I think they are pretty much the only dealer in the EU, at least I didn't find anyone else.
Holy smokes!! This sounds and looks perfect for me to replace my faulty BBSHD mid drives. Thanks for this review. Cheers👍
did you like your bbshd tho? anything u hated?
@@alen-commentnazi8774 Sorry, I am not getting notifications from youtube...I have since changed my stance on my BBSHD motor builds...I have installed steel gears, stronger motor rotors, heat sinks all over the outside, and Luna Cycle V2 controllers. Now they run 3000 watts with tons of torque and super smooth operation. If I get a 72v battery, I can safely pump out 4000 watts all day. I am very pleased with the updated BBSHD performance. Cheers.
@@budwhite9781 You still gonna upgrade for CYC X1 Pro right? I'm so excited for it
This is scary fast. I not only would want a motorcycle helmet but knee guards, motorcycle boots,etc.
I wonder how this would be with a pedicab or a larger delivery bike (like UPS uses).
I've heard of delivery bikes in Europe. What country do you live in, Tom?
I'd love to know two things...what bike did you trust to strap on that much power, and is there an advantage to buying a bike with as many gears as I can get?
I know your question is a year old but, actually a disadvantage to having lots of gears with this type of setup. The more gears, the thinner the chain.
I have the gen 3. I put it on an old Santa Cruz Blur XL. It's great, lots of power. I have set up 3 powersettings in the controller. I find that anything over 2500 watts is really too much for my bike frame and suspension. So mine is set P1 to 750 watts for the bike trails, P2 1500 for street and P3 2500 for fun. I rarely need to use 2500. If you get this make absolutely sure your rear derailler stays tuned to perfection and DO NOT shift under load.
Recently got the X1 Pro Gen2. Ordered on 2020-07-17 and arrived
2020-07-22! (to USA)
The nice thing with this much power is that you don't need gears, so you can use a single-speed bike. That way you can use a stronger chain or belt-drive. Only thing they need to fix is the noise. Then it would be the perfect ebike motor.
To pull cargo uphill though gears will come handy so you don't burn the mosfets or ruin the gears in the motor or break a chain!
hahahaha you are soooo wrong dude, those little motors hate being loaded up with single speeds, no idea where you people keep coming up with this myth "electrics don't need gears" from, it's bullshit!!
@@finlandjourney6065 those little motors love gears! especially when towing or climbing hills or both and yes you are right they'll burn out when you load them up by not have gears and low enough gears at that ...
Thanks that was a nice quick to the point description of the cyc. I definitely feel safer when I keep up with traffic then it passing me by all the time cutting me off as long as I have juice disc brakes good tires. I am a Harley Rider so I know the rules of the road believe it or not I'm planning on a Texas or bus from New England I have people there where I was born I'm going to take good old route 1 to route 66 West young man go west. I've done the trip before but never on such a leisurely plan as I have this time I don't care how long it takes me to get there as long as I just get there and get there safely. I'll be pulling up sleep camper behind me it's a bicycle lightweight trailer 4 ft wide and 7 ft long. So if I do two or three hundred miles a day I'll be happy. Keep a KOA Kamping on America map in my back pocket. That, truck stops, and motel 6 with inclement weather. I've already done it a couple times on my Harley so let's get back to that motor. Did you build that battery pack with the other cells. I surely would like to talk to you about that a little more as I was planning on a 72 volt but they're made with 18650s also. I hope you catch this comment and can get back to me. I'm going to go back and take notes on the type of cells you used on your battery build. I'm also going to leave my email for easier to contact me. Thanks again. Talk soon I hope franksplace55@gmail.com
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I plan on attaching this motor to a sunseeker recumbant bike. Super excited to test!
Ordered mine on July 25 waiting patiently. I plan on installing on a Salsa Blackborow fat tire mid cargo bike.
This is faster than my Prius!
lol
heh, yeah I was playing around with a power to weight ratio calculator... my 1500w 65 lb Bafang Ultra eBike has the same PWR as the Prius = 23 watts per lb. If I upgrade the controller to make it 3000w, it would be equivalent to a VW Golf. Thought that was interesting, puts things into perspective.
Lol
@@eBikeaholic can i apply that same equipment on my inmotion p2 electric bike ??
@@bando5747 the Bafang Ultra, no probably not, but the CYC or BBSHD maybe.
Awesome, what do you run for a battery are you running 72 volts. How does it preform on 48
When you were going off road that looked a lot smoother than when you were on that pocked marked road. Good Grief that looked bad.
Thanks for the review, I'm loving the form factor and power of this kit.
I'm seriously considering fitting it to my old Whyte carbon hardtail MTB.
From what you have said in previous comments, regarding torque sensing and pedal assist, I'm thinking that maybe I don't require the throttle.
I like the feeling of assistance that torque sensing gives, is it possible to run this system without the throttle connected?
yeah but it's nice to have
Definitely that much power definitely want twist motorcycle type throttle
If you wanted a '50 mph' street version, where would you get the frame? I'd want something close to a very light motorcycle. The specs are impressive. It looks like a beautiful design, like the weight. The Inja made a 20 kw e-motorcycle on a Chinese frame, huge battery. His controller is gargantuan. His hub motor would not work so well for trails. This might scale up for a 10 kw street motorcycle, maybe dual, not highway speeds. Was wondering if it was US but site says Hong Kong.
Right, the motor is from a Hong Kong company. Great guys over there, I got to meet Jon at a trade show. Very nice guy.
For higher speeds you don't want your steering to be too twitchy, so you need larger than anerage rake and trail, and you'll want full suspension to keep your tires glued to the road. The only way to adjust rake and trail on a bike as far as I know is to have differently sized wheels in front and back, a 29er with a rear 26in wheel for example.
Thanks great video. I got a Trek 4500 all aluminum 26 " wheels 19" frame clueless to what i need to made it fit ? Which company would recommend to order from ? There are so many.
Is it better quality than bbshd??? That bbshd with the external controller is the way to go.. The cyclone 3000w don't look so well made any feedback would be appreciated.
10x better
@@gbrldz0 what the bbshd is better?
@@tonielcock8891 no, the cyc x1 pro gen 2 is better by a big shot
@@gbrldz0 what battery to put at least 3000w continues???? I was thinking of getting the cyclone 1680 w that puts about 2000w continuous, wants to be a 24ah at least, as I would want a 35 mile range for work.
I need 2 bikes for work incase one broke down.
No driving for 3 years so need transport
@@tonielcock8891 72 volt
looks awesome....however the noise level seems to by pretty loud! other than that....im all for it...love max speeds....reminds me of my days with kawasaki ninjas both the 600R and 1000R. Im fairly new to ebikes and at 55 yrs old i have to think anytime of crash would hurt more than ever lol...so for that reason only....i would maybe stick to 1000watts bafang bbshd. And if i was to buy a whole new bike id go with the Bafang m620 Ultra,,,again only because of its much quieter sound levels! great vid though...learned alot!
Can you recommend were I could get a battery for this?
All you need is 2.35" tires and it feels very stable
I literally just asked this question and then realized I should look for a comments answering my question before I write it! Hahah whoops! Have you tried it with wider tires? Or are you just stating what seems to be the obvious? Thanks for your help I was looking into a Luna cycle 3000 W cyclone motor, but then I saw this guy…
@@dexgray4581 it's not all about width but between 35 and 45mph I'd use 2.35" and 2.5“ anything higher. Also if you're using
My quote from CYC is 2-3 weeks... so thinking June as well! Just in time!
Do it yo
@@mikeyg5159 Already have a 72V 20Ah battery being built!
Are you guys in Canada?
how hot is getting ? can you use that on summer , like 15 miles journey
I would love to get that set up on my mongoose SX pro.
I would be putting it together today
I built a electric kick bike that goes over 44mph with a 1000w motor and 52v, I changed the battery to 48 to cut the speed down to around 40.
Seems reasonable. For me, I commuted at 30 to 33 almost everyday for a couple years. That didn't phase me. I went 44 on a modded bafang conversion, and I was scared the thing would fall apart.
I had a merida big nine a bafang 750watt conversion made the whole frame twist around something gave up lol the cheap China pedal arms ripped the threads from the arms so I ditched a diy project work £1200 since teh moyor cost me £500 and a a £200 battery yea it was starting to screw the frame up alongside blowing up race tyres I am just gonna stick to a good old fashion 12 speed hardtail it's plenty for getting work anyway
@@mikeyg5159 well yer because the bafang, which i'm guessing was the bbshd with a external control mod, , they have modded bbshd to 2-3k peak power, given that it has a max torque rating of 160nm i would that without a strong af frame and wheels, i'd shit my pants too lol
Good call with the 21700 cells. I'll never go back to 18650 the power levels are day and night.
Mine will arrive in June :D
Can't wait to get it mounted!
For me, it was worth the wait.
Laurentiu Macovei how much for this motor?? Ty
Hi there I'm from the Datex group on FB. I also have a Mate X bike. How's this cyc x1pro going for you. Wats the top speed and range you get. How's the torque
I've been looking at this motor for awhile now I'm just trying to figure out how to do my build before I pull the trigger on it.IMO it the best ebike motor know to man lol 😂💯
I hear the current lead time is much shorter, looking around June. If you go for it now, you'll have a bit of time to find a bike and make your preparations.
@@mikeyg5159 ok when I buy the motor could you give me a price on the battery?I know you can build me a good one I'm thinking something around 72 volts.What do you think bro?
@@mikeyg5159 I'm thinking of buying the frame from Andy Kirby from the UK you know who I'm talking about?
You really want the biggest rotors you can fit and ideally 4 pot brakes.
203's most deffo
try the cyclone 3kw mid drive from luna cycle.
is there much motor drag without pedal assist?
Awesome review!! I want this immediately! Thanks
Do you think that the drivetrain can last at short periods of 5000w full blast without major consequences and hurting the drivetrain's lifespan?
This is the future.
What's the torque sensing like on this motor? For me it's between this and the bbshd but I'd rather have a motor with torque sensing so it still feels like a bike.
I see it's a gen 2 in the review, the newer version with torque sensing. Just waiting for a review of it before I pull the trigger :)
This motor has a torque sensor. I didn't focus too much on it during the review, but here's my take on it:
The torque sensor on the bike is a welcome addition, since cadence sensors (I feel) are just a throttle controlled by your feet. At low speeds and off road the CYC torque sensor does very well, but the gearing of my bike couldn't keep up after around 20mph. At high output, the motor outpaced the gearing almost instantly, and I couldn't keep tension to engage the motor. Perhaps I should have gone with the larger front chainring from CYC (I got the middle one). The motor would still power after I lost tension, but at that point I was in "foot throttle" mode. The motor can shine off-road using that torque sensor, but that's only using a fraction of the motor's potential.
It would seem that 5kW would thrash out the chain and sprocket. I've heard of a 3kW that includes a beefier chain and sprocket on the left side, forgot their name.
Thanks for mentioning the bike itself 👍
the cyc can be used in 1.5k, 3k and 5k, the wide chain is used on cyc models
Do you think this be safer on a slightly wider tire mountain bike? It looks really tasty! Been looking into the psych loan 3000 W motor by Luna, but this looks even more enticing :-) let me know if you can! Thank you
A lower riding position would make sense too.
Add a two wheeled front end with independent suspension like an dune buggy for a sweet reverse trike?
I noticed when he was hitting 49 his chain was bouncing like crazy needs a chain guide/ tensioner
yes, the tension wasn't set right lol nice to see someone noticed
can somebody explain to me why the cranks are not moving @ 2:13? i haven't understood how mid drives work yet. i assume you can peddle at the same time on your desired gear? so whatever gear you are on, the mid drive is too?
what about battery consumption? I ride a bike with Bafang rear motor 500W 48V, 55Nm torque, battery 24.5 Amp 48V. It's given me 8 to 10hrs ride at the speed of 30 Kmh.
looks like you got alot of slack chain tension, pretty sure those motors have the wide chain with them but obv you can't use them with the cassette this is using
What the setup of the bike in video? Battery voltage and AH controller?
Nice vid. Cheers
looks like fun! the first thing i would do though, is be SUPER careful about the batteries!! there's a gazillion ways for that to go wrong. only buy complete battery and charger assemblies that have been tested and certified as safe.
Small battery for 5000 Watts. I would think you need 72 volts or more and a 10kg battery to get enough amps into the motor.
I did use 72v
@@mikeyg5159 Anderson connectors are 30amp maximum and I can't see unless all the wires and nickel strips are doubled it's going to struggle to pass 50 amps unless you have loads of cells.
So awesome!!! want!!
how dose the rear gears hold up
Does this motor have a voltage cutoff? So you don't drain the battery is too low
The controller will have a cut out. Your battery bms should also cut it out
I will stick to my 45 km/h (30 mph) Stromer ST2. It has been built for these speeds.
DANGEROUS
Need to work out does it freewheel without drag like the Banfang motors
Yes, unlike the Bafang BBSHD, you can pedal with this motor without drag.
Do you know if this will fit a Specialized Stumpjumper bike?
It took 2 months to get ready to ship, and the delay was mostly because I wanted to wait for the new bac855 and the bottom bracket size (100mm). Once shipped it took a week and half to get to LA.
I’m looking to buy one but I’m in Canada. Where did u buy yours?
@@Thadon33 if you google CYC motor it’ll pop up. I got mines from Hong Kong directly but they have authorized dealers in the US now
@@gbrldz0 I just found it at electrifybike.com and just sent them a text to see if they ship to Toronto. Thanks
I see you live in SLC and I want to know how it does going up little cottonwood canyon? That's my daily drive and I'm thinking of getting an Ebike for LCC, but I not sure of any Ebikes can handle are steep canyons.
ppl ride up that with regular bikes , right?
My 1500 watt Aostirmotor Ebike can do 49 mph out of the box with quick manual setup.
I'm like you, I don't need to go that fast yet it's nice to know it's got the speed if needed.
4:02 72V system with 100A on max charged is 84v x 100A = 8,5kW !!!
That's crazy... It's better than surrons AND it's super light
Surron will be x2 heavier, which is like 25kg of dragging weight.
Being rider of 75kg with 25kg bike, surron is required to use 25% for dragging more weight!
CYC is like having 10kW Surron!
Please review the CYC X1 Stealth.
I have mine on order. Just received my 21ah/52v battery from Electrify Bike Co. to pair with it. I'm converting a 2012 Brodie Bandit hard tail. Will do 3 videos. The first on the stock bike and drive train. The second after upgrading the drive train to a Box components 1x9 Box 2 Prime 9 Ebike drivetrain which I also received a couple of weeks ago. And for the third video I am going to open up the gearbox, clean out the stock grease and regrease it with Planetsafe AIM grease to see how much cooler and quieter it runs. The only bummer is I got taken out on my bike 10 days ago by an SUV and suffered a busted humerus proximal and ribs. Doc says I will be healed by the time the motor arrives in early April. So the timing is good. Cannot wait to get that motor on my Brodie.
Can I use that for a motorbike conversion to electric? I mean, 5kW is a lot!
If you've got the space, and a bike chain to use to attach, I guess it could work.
I was thinking the same...maybe on a dirtbike frame
You are right - bicycles weren't designed to go > 30 MPH. Sure, there are road bikes that go down hills at 50+ not a good idea on a regular basis. I built a 1K watt BBS-HD and at 35 MPH top speed, it didn't feel safe. That said, the swift off the line acceleration at lights and when getting into a left-hand turn lane did give added confidence. The full-face helmet is a great idea. Gloves would be too as the hands will hit the ground first.
Ile stick to 750watt since you can do 30mph and 40mph on a pretty low watt throw a 52volr battery and it could do 47mph so how much power do you need you only need asist mode throttle ebikes should be classed as mopeds
Racing bikes with weak frame no suspension & bad breaks.
Cam go 70+ mph without a motor
If the Cyclone 3k Watt mid drive motor is akin to a 250cc dirt bike what would this CYC 5k watt mid drive motor be equivalent to in the dirt bike world? Also how good is it going up steep hills compared to the Cyclone 3k watt mid drive?
hahahaha what? who told you that bullshit? 3k cyclone is nothing like a 250cc dirt bike it's not even 125cc, i've done 30,000km (19,000miles) on my 3k cyclone never have i tried comparing it to either lol it's not even 80cc dirt bike hahahaha
@@arronjohnston742 no I realize that now after checking out Johnny nerd out. These motors aren’t any where close to low powered dirt bikes.
@@buffalomind6838 the point is you don't need to use all the power they have but when you need it for hill climbing for an example, keep your speed down and enjoy ........... don't buy this thing tho get the cyclone 3k it's got power and it's quiet oh and use gears!
Buying it now
Where did you buy it from? Nice review.
Running a mid drive 1500 bufang ,can get 35 without much effort but I have been on a bike since I could just after i 🚶♂️, its a learning curve ,a big 1 the dynamics r so different,,be careful and wear clothing appropriately, it hurts
This is what I want for my super 73 R
looks cool, I have a 1500w kit by Paradox Kinetics. very light engine and i dont think you need that much more power.
How fast is it? Mph
Hi sir is this motor better than bafang ultra 1000w ??
Ofc
Was that tested with 14S or 20S?
9 mths wait time !!!! I'll get the bafang bbshd
Yes it makes perfect sense to drive fast on a canyon road where you can fall off the cliff, but not on straight flat roads in a neighborhood where at worst you might get hit by a car driving 10mph.
I want one especially if it can keep up with traffic on roads
hi would this motor be ok on a hard tail carbon bike like a giant xtc advance 29er ?
What chain it'll take all this power?
Bafang got competition ?
I believe so!
How will this do at the beach with salt and sand?
Wear did you buy the battery ?
can this be hooked up to a land rider with the autoshift derailer?
The good thing about that top speed is if a serial killer is chasing you then you have a better chance of not being made into a lampshade.
I always ride with Fava beans and Chianti, just in case.🙄
if i put this thing on my bike which already has two 5kW motors on it, then the serial killer better be hiding because he aint running
is it worth going from BBSHD to this? not sure if the noise of this kit will become too much in long distances. So far I've been very happy with my BBSHD, reliable and durable... I guess what's not broken you don't fix. Don't really need my bike going 40+ mph, as you said, around 30 mph the bike doesn't feel happy.
If you're topping out at 30 even the BBS02B will easily do that. If you want to go that fast up steep hills then the Bafang will start to slow down and you will need to furiously pedal (I've had 15 mph up a 20% pedaling furiously and mashing the throttle). Haven't used the CYC X1 but could probably do steep hills at 30 based on power figures. Going fast eats your battery life so I tend to cruise in the lower 20s in assist level 2 on mine if I need to do a 40 mile ride, and even slower if longer. I might even set the speed limiter now I know it works.
The ASI BAC controllers look nice but they are too expensive and hard to buy. They only sell an "eval kit" which you have to exchange a bunch of emails with them before they'll even sell it to you (and sometimes don't answer you at all if they don't think you're worthy). If they sold the BAC on Amazon for $199 and gave you the software, maybe a few general guidelines for programming it, seems like they would make a killing.
Yup,
I want one...
I want one!
How many miles can you get?
great video,
Definitely need a lot of amps in your battery to get very far with 5000 Watts
Almost 50mph...scary stuff
forealdo
eh.. my 50 year old stamped steel moped going 60mph when it is designed for 30mph is scary! building an X1 on a modern mtb with big brakes is going to be way yyyy more stable ;)
Price for a kit? Looked at the site, didnt see it anywhere.
www.cycmotor.com/product-page/x1-pro-gen-2-36-72v-5000w-extreme-mid-drive-conversion-kit-with-torque-sensor
Can i combine this with rear hub motor?
Get off the drugs man
Nice bike man!!👍
Just get it!
Can you have a gear sensor like you can get for the bbshd?
Luna cycle or huck cycles
Why did you not wear gloves
Truth be told, I wore gloves while testing, but forgot them when I went out to film.
Filming was all done "slowly" capping at about 30mph
What would happened if your custom made ebike has this cyc monster with a rear wheel rohloff integrated gear hub??? Now thats a sight i would gladly see.
Bombproof. 👍
This is my first road th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and I have taken it out a handful of times and so far it is exceeding all of my expectations. I didn’t want to break the bank on a first bike and the herd is a great option for getting a fast bike with reliable components. I plan on riding this bike for many years to come. Thank you Sava!
How do i fit one of these to a Bosh gen 4 frame?
I would put that on a belt drive system so that I have less maintenance
So cool!!!