Believe me, it didn't need the "genderspecials" to ruin it. It was doomed from the start, once you actually realize what it is and who was behind it. They were never going to succeed. They rode the hype, and it's a miracle they didn't crash and burn harder than Ex Arm.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 Also they had Vic voicing some guy, then they fired him over Amber's false accusations and went full pander-mode, which further ruined things
@@Waauugh You know what else bothered me? When Barbara, who voices Yang, said something like "it's a cartoon! Why are you guys so worried!" Well jeez, if you didn't want people caring about your work, then you shoulda said so. I wouldn't have watched in the first place.
RWBY and Rooster Teeth were impressive back in the early 2010s because the idea of creators who were independent from Hollywood or a TV station creating a show was a novel idea.
@fashmoog6071 Of course it was bad. But in spite of how bad it was it was, for the time, still impressive. It's like how a five year old's drawing is technically terrible, but you still put it up on the fridge because for a five year old it was a lot of effort.
@@sneff212 The trailer was good for what it was back then. Thats like calling Metal Gear Solid 1 awful for having 32 bit graphics. Its fantastic given the limitations, RWBY was their first ever "real" in house animation project and they didnt have the resources that they had come seasons 3-4 (there was a dip in resources come volume 5, but otherwise, the only real permanent hit to the show was in the fight choreography; Everything else stayed about as good or bad as it was before Monty's death except for the writing, which has always been a quality roller coaster from day 1 [but on average has been great on paper, shit in execution]). I say "real" given that RT Animated Adventures pre-dates it, but thats not meant to be something on the same scale as RWBY. Its also worth mentioning that Monty produced the red trailer in, like, 2 weeks. It takes me more than two weeks just to finish a fucking full color drawing (granted, i'm a hobbyist, but still). Its no less impressive than people who are capable of speed drawing sketches in, like, 10 minutes. The fights after the red trailer in RWBY contain some of the best fight choreography in anime on a technical level period.
Monty's fight choreography was pretty legit, there aren't too many out there that can do what he did. I've never been the biggest fan of RWBY, but I always wanted to see Dead Fantasy completed.
The only real positive of RWBY was that Monty Python was a master of animated fight choreography on a dated animation engine, beyond that it was just an indie show with soul and potential. Then it got corporatized, the chief animator died leaving the team with only basic knowledge in an outdated engine, and the show proceeded to lose its soul with the grifters that took over. It died before it could really fly.
RWBY is a concept from Monty. It's a concept created to display absurdly cool fights with absurdly cool characters, all of that produced with more or less 0 budget and with more or less 0 cares about anything else. The good old Monty experience. It's experimental but cool, and was mostly successful at just being that. The issue with RWBY is that, of course, Monty died when it started to become alright, which removed the "cool fights with cool characters" part of the equation entirely. Then the random guys in the writer room decided that, if they couldn't do cool fights with cool characters anymore because Monty is dead, then they could just invent some boring whatever story. At the same time, ironically, that the budget became slightly higher. Thus you'e got the weird trajectory of RWBY - a series that was midling and skirting around through sheer coolness of fights and heavy tropes overdose, losing coolness, fights, and tropes for slightly better production values and a story that is genuinely one of the worst I've ever read. By this point, any fan left are just surfing on nostalgia.
Monty was never in charge. Only wanting to specifically work on the fight scenes, and I believe certain characters fighting each other for ehatever reason. He shoved all responsibility to the other two. Having them come up with the universe, world, story, personality, and direction. Monty was hired because of his hyper fighting 3D animation which was impressive back in the pre 2010s. As for the first 3 seasons of RWBY, they aren't as grand as people claim it to be. It was something new looking that had potential. The fight scenes were cool, and the music tended to slap well enough for buttrock standards, but they never had good writing or fully entertaining aspects. It was bad writing that had no real direction besides "we need to give reason for cool fight scene number X."
I know RWBY is overhyped but Monty coordination in fights were the best part. Of course they didn't age well for how they look, but that is not taking into consideration how Monty did everything on his own with nowadays ancient software. Had death not took him he would have only made his skills better, even more with what the tech brought up. His fights were pure fights, no bullshit talk, no montain of close up that don't show anything or slow-mo every 5 seconds, no lensflare, every motion had a thought on how it should appear and in what it would flow after.
Pippa isn't wrong, the early RWBY episodes were literally done with MMD models. They had to redo them after the game went into early access and people realized the models were using stolen assets. Shame about that game too, apparently it was MUCH better in the earlier versions. They neutered the combat in an attempt to be more Arkham. But yeah to anyone curious, Monty Oum made a name for himself with a series of animations called "Dead Fantasy" which was a DOA/Final Fantasy cross-over video series. It was JUST fights, no dialogue, and people loved it. Then he said "Hey how about instead of me borrowing these existing characters, I make my own in MMD" and that became RWBY. Literally the entire reason it exists is for the fights.
RWBY lost me whennthey fired Vic mignona over to this day know false allegations. Everyone knew and still knows that it was bullshit and they kicked him instead of letting him stay like viz media did
Takahata101 talked about this when he was almost got involved. The project was already being hijacked before his death. While I liked the fight scenes, the writing was just fan fiction. Apparently two of the very new writers had self-inserts who all the girls loved, but for me, the whole "cheating to get into the academy" and the food fight scene were what killed any interest I could have. Something about Rooster Teeth just attracted the wrong kind of person and that's coming from a season 1 fan of RvB. Going pro was a mistake. Also, I like to call the anime adaption reverse fan fiction.
When she leaned in to whisper that Rooster teeth was always shit. It was then I felt for the first time... Someone who truly got me. someone who truly understands.
From an Independent Animator, RWBY would come off as really impressive, but even at its conception, Rooster Teeth was pretty big. So there wasn't really an excuse for it.
RWBY is really interesting study in that the fights were the selling point with a very loose story to just connect them, but somewhere the writing duo somehow became convinced they were writing Game of Thrones.
The reason most of us loved it was not due to it being great, but who was doing it. RT was a much smaller company and seeing the makers of RvB try to make an anime was so cool. It was somthing new. The consept was intereating. It just had a lot of waisted potental.
It was pretty good for an independent studio project in 2013. It was a magical academy but with GUNS and KUNG-FU. It had its flaws, but it was pretty cool compared to what was coming out at the time. Like a YA novel that becomes a guilty pleasure. I am cringe but I am free.
One of the few sane takes here. What the writers didn't understand about the show is that the plot was only ever supposed to be a thin contrivance to connect Monty's rule of cool fights together. Trying to turn it into a serious socio-political drama with janky-animated teenagagers was a fools errand that terminally halted the momentum built from season 3. Still no reason to hate on it completely like the syncophants below.
RWBY represented one thing: an indie animation succeeding in an industry where only corporations reign. Despite this, the developers took this miracle and burned it the instant they could.
The problem with RWBY is that they had all these opportunity to save the story as far back as volume 3 and they somehow didn't take it because they want their fanservice to be the basis of the show.
what kind of fanservice? the cultured kind or the mental illness riddled uncultured tumblr left feminazi sjw? edit : i don't watch/consoom rwby outside of r34 (jlullaby, etc) so i really don't know if the show even have fanservice
@@MifuneTakumi45 I think they're talking about the writers pandering to a popular lesbian character ship when they talk about fanservice. They forced a Yang x Blake ship in order to please the fandom. Neither character had ever been hinted at being lesbian or bisexual before.
i was thinking that might be it, pandering to fans could only get you so far but outright denying fans and trying to make way for "bigger audience" and "modern audience" isn't a good way to go about it either...
Right now RWBY is just being paraded out in the public like a dead puppet by the corporate soulless greedy monsters like some sort of public execution since Monty's passing. All the failures and shortcomings from this shell of a former glorified stupid rule-of-cool show is just the result of people failing to know when to fucking stop. And I blame RT for selling their souls to WB for it. All that collaborative effort with the comics and even going as far as to use DC heroes for crossovers occasionally with their spinoffs and they STILL can't make a compelling story that's genuinely fun. Absolutely disgusting.
Pippa is absolutely savage, yet absolutely correct. Rwby is mid at its best, and it was all downhill after Monty Oum died, and worse, they think Rwby is some fantasy/sci-fi epic that deserves all the hype and praise and merchandising, yet it has none of the effort to make it an epic put into it. Part of me still likes RWBY, but more because I was so invested in its early days and I want to see how it ends for some sort of closure even as I wish it would be good again. As it is now, all I can say is this: the fanfictions and porn have more heart and soul in them than the anime does.
Gotta at least give Monty credit for his fighting animations. For a shoestring budget with him as the sole animator (at least when the red trailer was made), the man did some impressive stuff. But let's be real, the writing was definitely bad. Monty himself admitted he wasn't a good writer and it showed. I will be honest and say I was naive to assume the show would've gotten better (I mean, a fantasy/sci-fi hogwarts of monster hunters wasn't a bad premise), but it just never did.
It ironically got worse as Miles and Kerry took more and more control of the story (vol 3), and once Monty passed, it because absolute garbage (season 4 onwards).
Funnier is Monty never actually wrote the story. He basically came up with characters and concepts. He did have creative input, but beyond that the rest of the series is a mess.
Based take. Really only the fight scenes were considered very good by most people. Which makes the show unbearable for me. I don't give a shit about super flashy ridiculous anime fights, personally prefer slower(by comparison), more realistic/not flashy fights(like the gunfights in the Tarkov show or a channel called SODAZ that do cool animations)so it never had any appeal to me.
Rwby was always bad but I saw someone putting heart into it and that’s what I liked about it And then Monty died and dilan got outed :( Edit I mean Shane
I remember deciding to check it out and losing my fucking shit at Roman’s walk cycle. Only reason I got into it was because of the fight scenes. As for the action scene, they are good…or rather as good as Monty was able to make them with a budget that was made using a nickle and lint and using a animation engine mainly used for dance animations (and porn). Its only after his death when they finally switched to Maya and had a decent animation budget….but the guy with the talent left.
Honestly that first trailer was pretty solid considering Monty made it completely solo, in between breaks. Though I prefer his work on RVB back in 2009-2013. Even back then the choreography and soundtrack was where it was at everything else pretty much fell apart.
Agree with Pippa mostly but this I can't agree with. I haven't watched RWBY in a long time but I liked the trailers and saw 1st two seasons. And though it was low budget Monty Oum's choreography transcended the low budget. I know you say you don't like the fight scenes but I happen to think the fist 2 seasons had some amazing ones. it was perfect for people who were already fans as RWBY was voiced by some of the more prominent members of RT. Also 2. Burnie Burns created RVB who is a founder of Rooster Teeth. So no, their mostly known content isn't from a third paty. The whole reason they got so popular was from RVB series in 1st place that they uploaded to their site because youtube wasn't a thing for another 2 years. RVB is probably older than Pippa as it was 1st shown in 2003 lol. Respect you elders. LMAO :D
There was a bunch of hype for it when it released. A lot of people really liked the music and lore, and it's art style was very unique for the time, using 3d models in a way that's somewhat less janky than most 3d media at the time. Even the way it was presented was unique, with episodes of varying lengths and tidbits of lore being released individually alongside the episodes. Not to mention that it's from the same people/company that made Red Vs. Blue, another 3d show that got insanely popular due to its comedy and overall silliness, so all that hype carried over. All in all, if you look at it as a project done by a few people it's pretty nice, but compared to an actual show with a real budget and production team, I can see how it would look like a big pile of rough edges
The only thing I disagree with Pippa here is that the concept was bad. The concept is pretty cool. Good? Debatable. But cool? Absolutely. The fight scenes were good on first viewing, but then after that, you started to notice some jank in there that made it less than stellar. Then, theres the story. It wasn't all that good before, but man did it nosedive in Volume 5. That's not even talking about the characters. Ruby is the main character, yet get less screen time than her friends. Blake is annoyingly preachy and cocky for her own good despite being a reclusive person. Yang has the same problems with Blake, with the only difference being she's much more outgoing. Weiss is wasted potential. What I'm saying is that the show could've been good if they weren't written by syphilitic gibbons.
Monty had exactly one talent; he was incredibly good at coming up with and stitching together BEATS of fight scenes; his brain was a bottomless reservoir of blows and counterblows, and he was just competent enough with animation software to kinda make models do what he wanted them to. I often compare his stuff to old stick figure fight scenes; where there's no character, no context, just a blank slate tearing through a million mooks, turning every motion into an attack. But that was his only talent. Sure, he could drown you in sheer volume of action, but his characters rarerly moved as if they had weight or muscles or any real physicality, and he couldn't characterize his fighters through fights to save his life. Every last character was the exact same flawless, gravity-defying, battle-ballerina, just with different weapons. That said, RWBY was his first series, and considering that, yeah. Guy had chops. I was actually really excited for the day he got away from all the yes men blowing smoke up his ass and ran into someone who'd...y'know, set him straight, maybe show him where he needed to improve. I had no doubt he'd eventually grow into a phenomenal animator. Then he fuckin' died.
Have you seen his other work? Like the RVB fight scenes had none of these issues everything had so much weight behind them and felt realistic. I’m not sure what went down with RWBY probably was because it wasn’t hand crafted like his other projects.
@@FrostReave I saw a couple RvB fight scenes and, yeah; they did improve on the weight issue quite a bit. As I said, Monty had a lot of potential. It's not surprising to have seen him grow between projects. However, I still stand by most of my points. Maybe it was just the ones I saw, but while he fixed the weight issue for the most part, the RvB fights had even more egregious character issues. Namely, I felt very strongly that those Spartan fights were WAY too gymnastic for Spartans; not just acrobatic, but downright flamboyant in places. It just didn't look natural for big, armored military types to fight that way. Really took me out of the experience in both cases. And this has been a problem for Monty since as far back as "Haloid". His characters fight exactly one way; as flashy as possible, regardless of how natural it looks. In RWBY this isn't such a big deal, because it's magical warrior maidens hurling themselves around with the recoil off their gunblades. With Space Marines, though? It just looks ridiculous. I was really looking forward to seeing him branch out from that. Disappointed he never got the chance.
@@HobbNoblin Season 8 was before RWBY and what I’m upholding as the standard. Season 9…might have been before I don’t remember for sure. So this leads me to believe it was the software unfamiliarity in fact RWBY was so different from all of his old animations in art style application, physics, and choreography. Probably because he wasn’t working alone anymore so he needed to lead a team and use a new system that’s easier to use. Also only the agents used martial arts in RVB the actual soldiers acted like it. Its possible you just saw the stuff after Monty’s passing especially zero. I believe you do not have a clear perspective on Monty’s work as a whole just a very specific aspect of it.
@@HobbNoblinIm not a RWBY fan. I was clearly not the target audience. If you want to get a grasp of Monty Ohm watch his animations before RT (good luck as those were done in all sorts of expo's) and RVB fight scenes seasons 8-10. Of course you arent gonna do that but just saying thats how you get a grasp of his actual work that is solely his own otherwise you are gonna get 10% Monty's work 90% of overworked, underfunded, and under appreciated animation team
People used to like RWBY because they liked Monty and Rooster teeth. This was definitely a product of its time and RTs popularity. Not sure what season for RWBY it was but I used to go to RTX and stuff changed after Montys death.
Im surprised pippa didnt get roasted like charlie did when he said way less harsh stuff about it. I thought it had cool fights at first and a lot of opportunities for shippers, but the story was never good. The fandom is fucking awful though with how they treat people for disagreeing with them. If you have to threaten someone life over a piece of fiction you are deranged and no better than any other bigot wishing for death to someone who disagrees with them.
To be fair, red trailer is not exactly the best example since it's basically a proof of concept. Also, Pippa definitely doesn't know Rooster Teeth history. Everything they used to make was 100% original, it got absorbed by bigger companies and the only thing it absorbed pretty much WAS Monty. RT itself genuinely started with filming Red vs Blue in a guy's closet. That being said, RWBY probably never was great I'll give her that. I liked it a lot but for me it was a cool concept I thought had potential and soul was lost with the death of its creator.
@@crestfallenhussar895 Of course age matters. Your taste is shittier when youre younger and you have less experience of things that are good - you have poor basis for comparison. Its very common to love some show from childhood that isnt actually that good if you watched it as an adult and not because its childish but because you didnt know any better back then.
@@MrDezokokotar It still has nothing to do with what I said and it's a weird thing for you to bring up. Like what were you gonna police me liking a part of the show if I was old and liked some aspect of it?
For me, RWBY is the biggest surprise from any anime-like/anime production. The amount of merch, spin-off, adaptation, and fans praising it like it is the second coming of christ will make anyone who haven't seent it think that it was a very good series.
I liked rwby until it became a concern of what everyone's genitals were touching. Rooster teeth is dead and hopefully decays soon. Edit: OH and they killed pyhrra, best character in the show and they killed her. I can only seethe and try to cope about it.
@the98themperoroftheholybri33 the first 3 seasons were good for how low the budget is. After that it's mostly shit. With a couple okay fights sprinkled throughout
To be fair, it does look bad early on, but if you compare it to the newer seasons, they greatly improved. Partly because they changed to a different program, and partly because they were pretty much learning as they went on.
imho the first 3 volumes were at least good cringe. There was an endearing "at least you tried" feel to it. The later ones are bland cringe, which is even worse than bad cringe.
The first 3 volumes could keep up with themselves, after volume 3 it felt like they tried to shift to a more mature and complex tone but they could never keep up with that kind of writing so it got more depth but far less quality.
First season was very rough but enjoyable, second and third seasons got progressively better. I actually enjoyed season 4 which is where a lot of people thought the show's downfall began- I still think that Qrow's entrance in the fight between Ruby and Tyrion is a certified badass anime moment. Possibly even the height of the entire show; it's certainly what I remember most. Then season 5, uh, had its moments... I checked out pretty hard by the end of it, that last giant clusterfuck battle scene really brought to a head a lot of problems which had been simmering under the surface. I never had the interest to come back and apparently it's little more than a PSA for social justice at this point with a couple scenes of girlbosses kicking guys in the balls or whatever sprinkled in to break up the monotony of that. Hard pass.
I remember hearing about RWBY as being what the RvB guys were doing. I checked it out and... Boy it felt like someone's Naruto x Soul Eater fan fiction.
I watched RWBY when a friend started binging it. it was alright for the first couple seasons. it managed to make me laugh with how ridiculous some of the shit in there is like the dog getting hit by a hammer to destroy robots and honestly, some of those fights were choreographed extremely well for even nowadays standards (food fight was the best fight I saw in a while) and the story got a tad better second season imo. but the overall story just wasn't that good and the characters were only good for a bit before I stopped caring. I will say I didn't finish season 2 and I have no plans to continue it. also monty might've not been a genius but I give him credit for working with what he got and tried making something good.
RWBY was a fun romp for a lot of people in the first two seasons. It was somewhat unpolished but ambitious for an indie studio project which in turn made the series feel like it had genuine soul put into it which people respect. At the time the only other high quality fight scenes from non big companies were from sprite animations so seeing this original 3d anime styled series blew peoples minds and were all for seeing where it went and watching the team improve in a similar way RvB did. When Monty bit the bullet a lot of that soul went away and a lot of people are just seeing it through to honor the memories of a dead man. I hesitate to call any piece of media bad and generally say that it isn't in your wheelhouse unless it's illegal, made off the backs of orphans or some shit like that. I know Pippa's been in the internet trenches for a while but I don't see her as someone who was heavily into the indie fight animation sphere so her take makes sense.
RWBY was amazing considering it was basically a youtube series that came out in like what 2013 and was made by like 1 dude basically. And all its fans watched it when we were like 12-14 so we rose tinted AF. Hardly anyone watches the new stuff cause it been outgrown by most its fans. Its one of those things you cant get people to like nowadays, you kinda had to watch it when it was new and fresh.
As a passion project, it wasn’t too bad. I liked a lot of Oum’s stuff. It’s when it got carried on after he died that I tuned out because it got _unbearably_ cringy and tried to pander to fans instead of sticking to a cohesive story that made sense.
Ironically, I had a whole thing about writing in general. But it was so long it couldn't be processed. I have leeway for early RWBY since at the time it was a new series made by amateurs trying to find footing in a relatively new medium of entertainment. The beginning was always going to be bad, rocky at best. But writers should grow with their stories and work, it's only natural. It's a genuine crime against writing for someone for someone who isn't a professional to be satisfied with themselves and never taking risks and making something new. DBZA is strong proof of rocky beginnings but growing to something that actually influenced countless people, even helping those in the industry, and becoming something genuinely timeless, even despite its origins. RWBY had that leeway but lost it when it's writers became satisfied with themselves. I have deep respect for Monty Oum as RWBY was essentially an outlet to let him constantly hone his talent for animation, and it's a genuine tragedy that we will never see what he could've been. When he passed on, and RWBY tried to find its footing without him, it eventually slipped into mediocrity and never tried to climb out. Throw all that in with the controversies that ensued, and yeah, RWBY only grew worse with time, unlike others in its era. A whole lot more stuff like that and the importance of criticism to avoid self-satisfaction which leads to stagnation... blah blah yadda yadda. Long story short, it's hard to respect something that doesn't even respect itself.
I will hold the opinion that Monty's fight scenes were pretty good, especially for the time. He shined most with the choreography and composition over the actual animation and i think most of the early RWBY fights, including the Red trailer, show that off well. Ill also say the weapon designs were fun in that over the top chuni anime kinda way. You also have to remember this was an indie animation made by one dude over a decade ago. For what it is, its very impressive and i can still watch the Red trailer and feel the hype. The actual animation, story, dialogue, pacing, theming, and everything else? Very bad and have always been pretty bad and overly derivative. The whole production pipeline at RoosterTeeth was a mess so im not surprised at how it ended up. I think DillonGoo, an ex-animator for RWBY, keeps that flashy choreography that Monty was really good at alive while giving it to actually really good animation and serviceable writing.
Rwby vol 7-8 fucking abhorrent They ignored all the rational choices and actions Ironwood had ever done, going out of their way to paint him as an untrustworthy, evil dictator. RWBY betrayed him in favour of an actual egomaniac whose squad was raiding his convoys to repair global communications (which he didn't make public knowledge out of fear they'd be targeted by Salem's group, which makes sense), their treachery and refusal to give him all the information despite his incredible generosity pushed him over the edge. Also, their actions directly destroyed an entire kingdom and they stranded the survivours in what is canonically the most dangerous place in the world, rather than deposit them in Mistral or something. Rwby vol 9 idiotic Just going off the trailer and Crunchyroll. And this coming from someone who enjoys the bizzare Wonderland theme in general.
I love RWBY, but it’s bad. I don’t understand the rest of the fanbase not acknowledging that. It’s not a sin to enjoy something that’s bad, but if you don’t admit it then you’re delusional.
RWBY wad bad but it was the cool kind of bad. It was literally a guy mashing PS2 models against each other in cool ridiculous fight scenes. With butt rock. But it got stale after a few seasons. Old RWBY was like the junkiest of foods, you know it is bad but you like it anyway. New RWBY is like vegan fast food, just plain bad and that's it.
Rwby's story has always been dog water, but the fight scenes were good because of how they utilized a 3D plain, which was something different at the time. Now with Land of The Lustrous and other projects by studio orange, even that aspect of Rwby is outdated.
A lot of us knew it was bad from the start, but we wanted to support it so it could be improved. We didn't really care how it improved as long the experience was worth it by the end. The show made the same mistakes over and over, the main characters started off simple and distinct but became slaves to their plot while new characters kept getting introduced and developed only to die or get written out, fights are mediocre, animation is inconsistent, the staff is full of spoiled middle classes, etc. Don't emotionally invest in online projects, kids.
For those who want a comparison of what other 3D fights looked like on TH-cam, check out the 2012 Link vs. Cloud DEATH BATTLE!! and realize just how good any of Monty's stuff was for the time.
I have a tattoo of Ruby's scythe (along with a couple of other scythes from other shows to form a circle) only because I think the weapons are the best part about the show. 😂
Let's appreciate the early seasons of RWBY for what it really is. For a rough around the edges passion project, it was amazing. It was indie and folks tend to give works like these leeway despite it flaws. But if you're gonna treat it like any other normal story/show, then it will really suck for you. Pippa didn't give it any leeway, so all the mid parts of it are highly pronounced for her. The production was amateur, voice acting and story telling left more to be desired, and so are the others. Its saving grace was it's action and the weapon gimmicks. It doesn't help that 3d animation tends to age like milk as the years go by, and the behind the scenes controversies of the show makes anyone less forgiving when trying to judge the show as a whole. Hence, you get a Pippa-like take about RWBY.
I respectfully disagree tho also note at the beginning Rwby felt more like a fun passion project for Monty to show off his amazing mocap animation skills and have some fun characters than a story that was trying to take itself seriously it was a fun Internet series meant for fans of Monty Oum and his work.
i thought the academy stuff was really cool. then they went and destroyed it for good. no rebuilding or anything. and two of the most interesting and likeable characters died. interesting world, colorful cast, and cool power system. they were basically my hero academia + monster hunter with a built in style meter from dmc. that's a winner. it's a goldmine. you got the world by the balls with that crazy combination. it's just wild how they traded that amazing investment to be the depressing cousin of avatar : tla
The only good thing about RWBY, from the Monty Oum era, were the fight scenes. The thing is, they were REALLY good. If Monty Oum hadn't died and the show retained that while gaining better production value on the rest of the show it could have been much better. I heard it described that the show had really low lows, but also really high highs. The most accurate statement on the first few seasons I've heard.
Rwby had a neat little announcement video for ruby. It was all downhill from there. It was an anime made by people who don’t understand what makes good anime good. They literally just scraped scenes they knew were good and cobbled together a story to move things from fight scene to fight scene. They forgot/ignore their own lore and character building like a gaggle of amnesiacs. The characters are poorly written as well. I don’t get the zealotry for the show. Truly.
Looking back at RWBY S1 and S2, the story was below average and the dialogue was pretty cringe at times. But overall it was a project driven by Monty Oum's passion in fight choreography and the RT fanbase-with a lot of potential of being a successful IP. But then everything went downhill after S3 and Monty's death, with RT becoming progressively more toxic and pandering to the most insufferable members of the community. And after the whole Vic Mignonna fiasco, I stopped watching RT altogether as more of their hypocrisy came to light in the following years.
I agree with most of what Pippa said. However, to me at least, the show started to go in a bad direction after the Bumblebee fandom went full Bloat mode.
Rwby would have been 100% better with a simpler story and leaned into its strength which is the fight scenes, just hunters fighting more and more dangerous grimm. No super villain world ending BS. Basically Monster Hunter with anime girls.
That sounds so boring. There’s way more stakes with a bigger threat. And what do the size of the threat have to do with the quality anyway? There are plenty of amazing series with world ending threats.
Second half of season 3 is kinda kino tho when shit goes down. And fights were good while Monty was alive. My take is that Pippa just being edgy cause she thinks others praise Monty only cause he is dead, but that guy actually had real talent and made good and fun to watch bizarre choreography. Nowadays the quality of animation improved but the quality of the story went down tremendously, RWBY had potential to be great show but never was great.
I wish I was there for that stream so I could thank pippa for that take. I've always thought rwby was hammered dog ass in every way imaginable. unfortunately i didn't even know about pippa at the time.
I think most people forget back when RWBY first aired it was nearly unheard of to create your own show without a big studio backing you. The start of indie content.
I certainly like RWBY. ...As a concept. After Volume 2...things went downhill. Same kind of story screw-ups like in Gundam SEED. I've seen cooler sci-fi monster hunting in God Eater, and those bigger SOBs messed me up in the PSP days.
Imo rwby when it first started was just good, especially for a youtube production at the time. But yes it only got worse and worse after Monty passed away.
It was ok for the production behind it but yeah the story went from bad to absolute garbage once the genderspecials took over completely.
I think the story was interesting at first, but you're sadly on point with it's ultimate fate.
Believe me, it didn't need the "genderspecials" to ruin it. It was doomed from the start, once you actually realize what it is and who was behind it. They were never going to succeed. They rode the hype, and it's a miracle they didn't crash and burn harder than Ex Arm.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 Also they had Vic voicing some guy, then they fired him over Amber's false accusations and went full pander-mode, which further ruined things
@@Waauugh I wasn't a fan of that either.
@@Waauugh You know what else bothered me? When Barbara, who voices Yang, said something like "it's a cartoon! Why are you guys so worried!"
Well jeez, if you didn't want people caring about your work, then you shoulda said so. I wouldn't have watched in the first place.
RWBY and Rooster Teeth were impressive back in the early 2010s because the idea of creators who were independent from Hollywood or a TV station creating a show was a novel idea.
Nah was always bad
@fashmoog6071 Of course it was bad. But in spite of how bad it was it was, for the time, still impressive.
It's like how a five year old's drawing is technically terrible, but you still put it up on the fridge because for a five year old it was a lot of effort.
@@sneff212 The trailer was good for what it was back then. Thats like calling Metal Gear Solid 1 awful for having 32 bit graphics. Its fantastic given the limitations, RWBY was their first ever "real" in house animation project and they didnt have the resources that they had come seasons 3-4 (there was a dip in resources come volume 5, but otherwise, the only real permanent hit to the show was in the fight choreography; Everything else stayed about as good or bad as it was before Monty's death except for the writing, which has always been a quality roller coaster from day 1 [but on average has been great on paper, shit in execution]).
I say "real" given that RT Animated Adventures pre-dates it, but thats not meant to be something on the same scale as RWBY.
Its also worth mentioning that Monty produced the red trailer in, like, 2 weeks. It takes me more than two weeks just to finish a fucking full color drawing (granted, i'm a hobbyist, but still). Its no less impressive than people who are capable of speed drawing sketches in, like, 10 minutes. The fights after the red trailer in RWBY contain some of the best fight choreography in anime on a technical level period.
Monty Oum was the creator. When he died so did RWBY and Rooster Teeth.
Monty's fight choreography was pretty legit, there aren't too many out there that can do what he did. I've never been the biggest fan of RWBY, but I always wanted to see Dead Fantasy completed.
RWBY had potential but the combined death of Monty, crazy shippers, and the show being handed to the neurodivergent mafia killed it in its infancy
What is Neurodivergent?
Autists, so our fellow audience members.
@@passchen-fail3704 yes but we’re autists with different tastes
The only real positive of RWBY was that Monty Python was a master of animated fight choreography on a dated animation engine, beyond that it was just an indie show with soul and potential.
Then it got corporatized, the chief animator died leaving the team with only basic knowledge in an outdated engine, and the show proceeded to lose its soul with the grifters that took over. It died before it could really fly.
the best opinion i've ever seen of rwby is that it is a series "constantly threatening to be good".
RWBY is a concept from Monty. It's a concept created to display absurdly cool fights with absurdly cool characters, all of that produced with more or less 0 budget and with more or less 0 cares about anything else. The good old Monty experience. It's experimental but cool, and was mostly successful at just being that.
The issue with RWBY is that, of course, Monty died when it started to become alright, which removed the "cool fights with cool characters" part of the equation entirely. Then the random guys in the writer room decided that, if they couldn't do cool fights with cool characters anymore because Monty is dead, then they could just invent some boring whatever story. At the same time, ironically, that the budget became slightly higher.
Thus you'e got the weird trajectory of RWBY - a series that was midling and skirting around through sheer coolness of fights and heavy tropes overdose, losing coolness, fights, and tropes for slightly better production values and a story that is genuinely one of the worst I've ever read. By this point, any fan left are just surfing on nostalgia.
1,000,000,000,000% correct
yeah that pretty much sums it up
Agree on all accounts
Monty Oum's creative fight scenes are the only reason anyone with a single brain cell would watch RWBY
Monty was never in charge. Only wanting to specifically work on the fight scenes, and I believe certain characters fighting each other for ehatever reason. He shoved all responsibility to the other two. Having them come up with the universe, world, story, personality, and direction.
Monty was hired because of his hyper fighting 3D animation which was impressive back in the pre 2010s.
As for the first 3 seasons of RWBY, they aren't as grand as people claim it to be. It was something new looking that had potential. The fight scenes were cool, and the music tended to slap well enough for buttrock standards, but they never had good writing or fully entertaining aspects. It was bad writing that had no real direction besides "we need to give reason for cool fight scene number X."
I know RWBY is overhyped but Monty coordination in fights were the best part.
Of course they didn't age well for how they look, but that is not taking into consideration how Monty did everything on his own with nowadays ancient software.
Had death not took him he would have only made his skills better, even more with what the tech brought up.
His fights were pure fights, no bullshit talk, no montain of close up that don't show anything or slow-mo every 5 seconds, no lensflare, every motion had a thought on how it should appear and in what it would flow after.
IMO, the only good thing to come out of RWBY was all the r34 of it.
Missed opportunity to say "RUBY Rose-tinted glasses".
Pippa isn't wrong, the early RWBY episodes were literally done with MMD models. They had to redo them after the game went into early access and people realized the models were using stolen assets. Shame about that game too, apparently it was MUCH better in the earlier versions. They neutered the combat in an attempt to be more Arkham.
But yeah to anyone curious, Monty Oum made a name for himself with a series of animations called "Dead Fantasy" which was a DOA/Final Fantasy cross-over video series. It was JUST fights, no dialogue, and people loved it. Then he said "Hey how about instead of me borrowing these existing characters, I make my own in MMD" and that became RWBY. Literally the entire reason it exists is for the fights.
And the story. He had a goal in mind and already wrote out most of the seasons. Too bad he died and couldn't spear head the vision.
RWBY lost me whennthey fired Vic mignona over to this day know false allegations. Everyone knew and still knows that it was bullshit and they kicked him instead of letting him stay like viz media did
Takahata101 talked about this when he was almost got involved. The project was already being hijacked before his death. While I liked the fight scenes, the writing was just fan fiction. Apparently two of the very new writers had self-inserts who all the girls loved, but for me, the whole "cheating to get into the academy" and the food fight scene were what killed any interest I could have. Something about Rooster Teeth just attracted the wrong kind of person and that's coming from a season 1 fan of RvB. Going pro was a mistake.
Also, I like to call the anime adaption reverse fan fiction.
When she leaned in to whisper that Rooster teeth was always shit.
It was then I felt for the first time... Someone who truly got me. someone who truly understands.
SAME
Yea but she liked leafy so...
From an Independent Animator, RWBY would come off as really impressive, but even at its conception, Rooster Teeth was pretty big. So there wasn't really an excuse for it.
RWBY is really interesting study in that the fights were the selling point with a very loose story to just connect them, but somewhere the writing duo somehow became convinced they were writing Game of Thrones.
Pippa is always at her best when she just says what she actually believes.
The reason most of us loved it was not due to it being great, but who was doing it. RT was a much smaller company and seeing the makers of RvB try to make an anime was so cool. It was somthing new. The consept was intereating. It just had a lot of waisted potental.
It was pretty good for an independent studio project in 2013. It was a magical academy but with GUNS and KUNG-FU. It had its flaws, but it was pretty cool compared to what was coming out at the time. Like a YA novel that becomes a guilty pleasure.
I am cringe but I am free.
One of the few sane takes here. What the writers didn't understand about the show is that the plot was only ever supposed to be a thin contrivance to connect Monty's rule of cool fights together. Trying to turn it into a serious socio-political drama with janky-animated teenagagers was a fools errand that terminally halted the momentum built from season 3. Still no reason to hate on it completely like the syncophants below.
I'm seeing people shitting on fight choreography despite it being better than anything in Hollywood at the time...
RWBY represented one thing: an indie animation succeeding in an industry where only corporations reign. Despite this, the developers took this miracle and burned it the instant they could.
The problem with RWBY is that they had all these opportunity to save the story as far back as volume 3 and they somehow didn't take it because they want their fanservice to be the basis of the show.
what kind of fanservice? the cultured kind or the mental illness riddled uncultured tumblr left feminazi sjw?
edit : i don't watch/consoom rwby outside of r34 (jlullaby, etc) so i really don't know if the show even have fanservice
@@MifuneTakumi45 I think they're talking about the writers pandering to a popular lesbian character ship when they talk about fanservice. They forced a Yang x Blake ship in order to please the fandom. Neither character had ever been hinted at being lesbian or bisexual before.
Of course they want fanservice to be the basis of the show. They have no idea how to write, so pandering to the fandom is the only thing they can do.
i was thinking that might be it, pandering to fans could only get you so far but outright denying fans and trying to make way for "bigger audience" and "modern audience" isn't a good way to go about it either...
Right now RWBY is just being paraded out in the public like a dead puppet by the corporate soulless greedy monsters like some sort of public execution since Monty's passing.
All the failures and shortcomings from this shell of a former glorified stupid rule-of-cool show is just the result of people failing to know when to fucking stop. And I blame RT for selling their souls to WB for it.
All that collaborative effort with the comics and even going as far as to use DC heroes for crossovers occasionally with their spinoffs and they STILL can't make a compelling story that's genuinely fun.
Absolutely disgusting.
Pipkin.. a dark lord of the based side of the force.
Pippa is absolutely savage, yet absolutely correct. Rwby is mid at its best, and it was all downhill after Monty Oum died, and worse, they think Rwby is some fantasy/sci-fi epic that deserves all the hype and praise and merchandising, yet it has none of the effort to make it an epic put into it. Part of me still likes RWBY, but more because I was so invested in its early days and I want to see how it ends for some sort of closure even as I wish it would be good again. As it is now, all I can say is this: the fanfictions and porn have more heart and soul in them than the anime does.
Gotta at least give Monty credit for his fighting animations. For a shoestring budget with him as the sole animator (at least when the red trailer was made), the man did some impressive stuff. But let's be real, the writing was definitely bad. Monty himself admitted he wasn't a good writer and it showed.
I will be honest and say I was naive to assume the show would've gotten better (I mean, a fantasy/sci-fi hogwarts of monster hunters wasn't a bad premise), but it just never did.
It ironically got worse as Miles and Kerry took more and more control of the story (vol 3), and once Monty passed, it because absolute garbage (season 4 onwards).
Funnier is Monty never actually wrote the story. He basically came up with characters and concepts. He did have creative input, but beyond that the rest of the series is a mess.
RWBY originally wasn't bad but at the same time it wasn't great. It was just okay. Though after volume 3 the overall quality dropped significantly.
She’s not wrong
The fact that the trailer was released 10 years ago makes me feel old
Do you by chance frequent spacebattles?
Based take. Really only the fight scenes were considered very good by most people. Which makes the show unbearable for me. I don't give a shit about super flashy ridiculous anime fights, personally prefer slower(by comparison), more realistic/not flashy fights(like the gunfights in the Tarkov show or a channel called SODAZ that do cool animations)so it never had any appeal to me.
Rwby was always bad but I saw someone putting heart into it and that’s what I liked about it
And then Monty died and dilan got outed
:(
Edit I mean Shane
I remember deciding to check it out and losing my fucking shit at Roman’s walk cycle.
Only reason I got into it was because of the fight scenes. As for the action scene, they are good…or rather as good as Monty was able to make them with a budget that was made using a nickle and lint and using a animation engine mainly used for dance animations (and porn). Its only after his death when they finally switched to Maya and had a decent animation budget….but the guy with the talent left.
It used to be a charming shitshow. But now, it's just a shitshow.
Honestly that first trailer was pretty solid considering Monty made it completely solo, in between breaks. Though I prefer his work on RVB back in 2009-2013. Even back then the choreography and soundtrack was where it was at everything else pretty much fell apart.
Agree with Pippa mostly but this I can't agree with. I haven't watched RWBY in a long time but I liked the trailers and saw 1st two seasons. And though it was low budget Monty Oum's choreography transcended the low budget. I know you say you don't like the fight scenes but I happen to think the fist 2 seasons had some amazing ones. it was perfect for people who were already fans as RWBY was voiced by some of the more prominent members of RT. Also 2. Burnie Burns created RVB who is a founder of Rooster Teeth. So no, their mostly known content isn't from a third paty. The whole reason they got so popular was from RVB series in 1st place that they uploaded to their site because youtube wasn't a thing for another 2 years. RVB is probably older than Pippa as it was 1st shown in 2003 lol. Respect you elders. LMAO :D
There was a bunch of hype for it when it released. A lot of people really liked the music and lore, and it's art style was very unique for the time, using 3d models in a way that's somewhat less janky than most 3d media at the time. Even the way it was presented was unique, with episodes of varying lengths and tidbits of lore being released individually alongside the episodes.
Not to mention that it's from the same people/company that made Red Vs. Blue, another 3d show that got insanely popular due to its comedy and overall silliness, so all that hype carried over.
All in all, if you look at it as a project done by a few people it's pretty nice, but compared to an actual show with a real budget and production team, I can see how it would look like a big pile of rough edges
Bruh, polar express’ 3D animation was less janky.
Just like overwatch, the only good thing I can say about rwby is it's porn
The only thing I disagree with Pippa here is that the concept was bad. The concept is pretty cool. Good? Debatable. But cool? Absolutely.
The fight scenes were good on first viewing, but then after that, you started to notice some jank in there that made it less than stellar.
Then, theres the story. It wasn't all that good before, but man did it nosedive in Volume 5.
That's not even talking about the characters. Ruby is the main character, yet get less screen time than her friends. Blake is annoyingly preachy and cocky for her own good despite being a reclusive person. Yang has the same problems with Blake, with the only difference being she's much more outgoing. Weiss is wasted potential.
What I'm saying is that the show could've been good if they weren't written by syphilitic gibbons.
I'm assuming when you talk about "jank" in fight scenes you mean nu-RWBY, i.e. S3 and after.
@@TheHeavyModd *Season 4 and after
Monty had exactly one talent; he was incredibly good at coming up with and stitching together BEATS of fight scenes; his brain was a bottomless reservoir of blows and counterblows, and he was just competent enough with animation software to kinda make models do what he wanted them to.
I often compare his stuff to old stick figure fight scenes; where there's no character, no context, just a blank slate tearing through a million mooks, turning every motion into an attack.
But that was his only talent.
Sure, he could drown you in sheer volume of action, but his characters rarerly moved as if they had weight or muscles or any real physicality, and he couldn't characterize his fighters through fights to save his life.
Every last character was the exact same flawless, gravity-defying, battle-ballerina, just with different weapons.
That said, RWBY was his first series, and considering that, yeah. Guy had chops.
I was actually really excited for the day he got away from all the yes men blowing smoke up his ass and ran into someone who'd...y'know, set him straight, maybe show him where he needed to improve. I had no doubt he'd eventually grow into a phenomenal animator.
Then he fuckin' died.
Have you seen his other work? Like the RVB fight scenes had none of these issues everything had so much weight behind them and felt realistic. I’m not sure what went down with RWBY probably was because it wasn’t hand crafted like his other projects.
@@FrostReave I saw a couple RvB fight scenes and, yeah; they did improve on the weight issue quite a bit.
As I said, Monty had a lot of potential. It's not surprising to have seen him grow between projects.
However, I still stand by most of my points. Maybe it was just the ones I saw, but while he fixed the weight issue for the most part, the RvB fights had even more egregious character issues.
Namely, I felt very strongly that those Spartan fights were WAY too gymnastic for Spartans; not just acrobatic, but downright flamboyant in places. It just didn't look natural for big, armored military types to fight that way. Really took me out of the experience in both cases.
And this has been a problem for Monty since as far back as "Haloid". His characters fight exactly one way; as flashy as possible, regardless of how natural it looks.
In RWBY this isn't such a big deal, because it's magical warrior maidens hurling themselves around with the recoil off their gunblades. With Space Marines, though? It just looks ridiculous.
I was really looking forward to seeing him branch out from that. Disappointed he never got the chance.
@@HobbNoblin Season 8 was before RWBY and what I’m upholding as the standard. Season 9…might have been before I don’t remember for sure. So this leads me to believe it was the software unfamiliarity in fact RWBY was so different from all of his old animations in art style application, physics, and choreography. Probably because he wasn’t working alone anymore so he needed to lead a team and use a new system that’s easier to use. Also only the agents used martial arts in RVB the actual soldiers acted like it. Its possible you just saw the stuff after Monty’s passing especially zero.
I believe you do not have a clear perspective on Monty’s work as a whole just a very specific aspect of it.
@@FrostReave I never said I was an expert. Most of the stuff he's worked on has frustrated me more than its drawn me in.
@@HobbNoblinIm not a RWBY fan. I was clearly not the target audience. If you want to get a grasp of Monty Ohm watch his animations before RT (good luck as those were done in all sorts of expo's) and RVB fight scenes seasons 8-10.
Of course you arent gonna do that but just saying thats how you get a grasp of his actual work that is solely his own otherwise you are gonna get 10% Monty's work 90% of overworked, underfunded, and under appreciated animation team
People used to like RWBY because they liked Monty and Rooster teeth. This was definitely a product of its time and RTs popularity. Not sure what season for RWBY it was but I used to go to RTX and stuff changed after Montys death.
Im surprised pippa didnt get roasted like charlie did when he said way less harsh stuff about it. I thought it had cool fights at first and a lot of opportunities for shippers, but the story was never good. The fandom is fucking awful though with how they treat people for disagreeing with them. If you have to threaten someone life over a piece of fiction you are deranged and no better than any other bigot wishing for death to someone who disagrees with them.
Charlie is a HUGE creator. While Pippa is pretty big when it comes to Vtubing, in the grand scope of things her channel is tiny.
WELL WELL WELL HOW THE TURN TABLES
BECAUSE NOW SHE IS GETTING ROASTED FOR BEING RIGHT
To be fair, red trailer is not exactly the best example since it's basically a proof of concept.
Also, Pippa definitely doesn't know Rooster Teeth history. Everything they used to make was 100% original, it got absorbed by bigger companies and the only thing it absorbed pretty much WAS Monty. RT itself genuinely started with filming Red vs Blue in a guy's closet.
That being said, RWBY probably never was great I'll give her that. I liked it a lot but for me it was a cool concept I thought had potential and soul was lost with the death of its creator.
Yeah buy you were young when you watched RWBY, right?
@@MrDezokokotar yeah when i was young i love it yellow trailer .
@@MrDezokokotar Not really that young, nor do I think that really matter to the points I made.
@@crestfallenhussar895 Of course age matters. Your taste is shittier when youre younger and you have less experience of things that are good - you have poor basis for comparison. Its very common to love some show from childhood that isnt actually that good if you watched it as an adult and not because its childish but because you didnt know any better back then.
@@MrDezokokotar It still has nothing to do with what I said and it's a weird thing for you to bring up.
Like what were you gonna police me liking a part of the show if I was old and liked some aspect of it?
This isn't a hot take, she's 100% correct. Early RvB was cool though.
Finally someone someone willing to spit some fax
Not even a hot take.
Based on the backlash, it was.
@@justiron2999
RWBY fans are troglodytes, their "backlash" is just a laugh fest for anyone else.
@@justiron2999there was backlash?
@@ngultrum1 Bro I just wanted cool fights and some lore.
@@DeffoSpaniel Not really it was just us fans basically complaining. Not butthurt but definitely felt called out by out oshi lol.
I really felt the SOUL of Kemono Friends when they put in Payday music for that one fight scene.
Fun fact: RWBY was made in the MMD engine, so, yeah
For me, RWBY is the biggest surprise from any anime-like/anime production.
The amount of merch, spin-off, adaptation, and fans praising it like it is the second coming of christ will make anyone who haven't seent it think that it was a very good series.
It was a really good animation by a single individual and that was it. But boy, a lot of people thought way more than that.
I liked rwby until it became a concern of what everyone's genitals were touching.
Rooster teeth is dead and hopefully decays soon.
Edit: OH and they killed pyhrra, best character in the show and they killed her. I can only seethe and try to cope about it.
I legit enjoyed RWBY first seasons the fights were sick I'll die on that hill
Then prepare to die because they look awful
@the98themperoroftheholybri33 the first 3 seasons were good for how low the budget is. After that it's mostly shit. With a couple okay fights sprinkled throughout
Well if that’s really what you want, then so be it. I’ll make it quick for you at least.
_points at Astartes_
@@OneBiasedOpinion The emperor may call it Heresy but it is-
Absolutely based. My friend tried to get me into it but it looked like dogshit. The people saying the graphics were good must be blind.
To be fair, it does look bad early on, but if you compare it to the newer seasons, they greatly improved. Partly because they changed to a different program, and partly because they were pretty much learning as they went on.
Do you know what year it was made?
I'd love to hear her take now that CockBite studios is officially dead.
The fact that the absolute peak of the RWBY franchise still is and always will be the Red Trailer is both amazing and pathetic at the same time.
RWBY fans only care about RWBY because they grew up with it and weren't ever exposed to anything better.
(she's right about RT, too)
imho the first 3 volumes were at least good cringe. There was an endearing "at least you tried" feel to it.
The later ones are bland cringe, which is even worse than bad cringe.
The first 3 volumes could keep up with themselves, after volume 3 it felt like they tried to shift to a more mature and complex tone but they could never keep up with that kind of writing so it got more depth but far less quality.
First season was very rough but enjoyable, second and third seasons got progressively better. I actually enjoyed season 4 which is where a lot of people thought the show's downfall began- I still think that Qrow's entrance in the fight between Ruby and Tyrion is a certified badass anime moment. Possibly even the height of the entire show; it's certainly what I remember most. Then season 5, uh, had its moments... I checked out pretty hard by the end of it, that last giant clusterfuck battle scene really brought to a head a lot of problems which had been simmering under the surface. I never had the interest to come back and apparently it's little more than a PSA for social justice at this point with a couple scenes of girlbosses kicking guys in the balls or whatever sprinkled in to break up the monotony of that. Hard pass.
Volume 6-8 were downright abysmal just to add on
I remember hearing about RWBY as being what the RvB guys were doing. I checked it out and... Boy it felt like someone's Naruto x Soul Eater fan fiction.
TBH I just liked the concept of transforming weapons, like gun scythe is sick. Just wish it was in an actually good show
RWBY peaked at red trailer, Monty choreography was the best and only good part about the show
Sad, but true...
For machinima, his stuff looked great. For a solo animator? Well done.
But as animation in a completion up against other shows? D tier.
I watched RWBY when a friend started binging it. it was alright for the first couple seasons. it managed to make me laugh with how ridiculous some of the shit in there is like the dog getting hit by a hammer to destroy robots and honestly, some of those fights were choreographed extremely well for even nowadays standards (food fight was the best fight I saw in a while) and the story got a tad better second season imo. but the overall story just wasn't that good and the characters were only good for a bit before I stopped caring. I will say I didn't finish season 2 and I have no plans to continue it. also monty might've not been a genius but I give him credit for working with what he got and tried making something good.
Couer Al Aran creates Fan Fiction with better writing than the show.
Based take.
I am constantly reminded that Pippa is almost always right
RWBY was a fun romp for a lot of people in the first two seasons. It was somewhat unpolished but ambitious for an indie studio project which in turn made the series feel like it had genuine soul put into it which people respect. At the time the only other high quality fight scenes from non big companies were from sprite animations so seeing this original 3d anime styled series blew peoples minds and were all for seeing where it went and watching the team improve in a similar way RvB did. When Monty bit the bullet a lot of that soul went away and a lot of people are just seeing it through to honor the memories of a dead man.
I hesitate to call any piece of media bad and generally say that it isn't in your wheelhouse unless it's illegal, made off the backs of orphans or some shit like that. I know Pippa's been in the internet trenches for a while but I don't see her as someone who was heavily into the indie fight animation sphere so her take makes sense.
RWBY was amazing considering it was basically a youtube series that came out in like what 2013 and was made by like 1 dude basically. And all its fans watched it when we were like 12-14 so we rose tinted AF. Hardly anyone watches the new stuff cause it been outgrown by most its fans. Its one of those things you cant get people to like nowadays, you kinda had to watch it when it was new and fresh.
As a passion project, it wasn’t too bad. I liked a lot of Oum’s stuff. It’s when it got carried on after he died that I tuned out because it got _unbearably_ cringy and tried to pander to fans instead of sticking to a cohesive story that made sense.
Ironically, I had a whole thing about writing in general. But it was so long it couldn't be processed. I have leeway for early RWBY since at the time it was a new series made by amateurs trying to find footing in a relatively new medium of entertainment. The beginning was always going to be bad, rocky at best. But writers should grow with their stories and work, it's only natural. It's a genuine crime against writing for someone for someone who isn't a professional to be satisfied with themselves and never taking risks and making something new. DBZA is strong proof of rocky beginnings but growing to something that actually influenced countless people, even helping those in the industry, and becoming something genuinely timeless, even despite its origins.
RWBY had that leeway but lost it when it's writers became satisfied with themselves. I have deep respect for Monty Oum as RWBY was essentially an outlet to let him constantly hone his talent for animation, and it's a genuine tragedy that we will never see what he could've been. When he passed on, and RWBY tried to find its footing without him, it eventually slipped into mediocrity and never tried to climb out. Throw all that in with the controversies that ensued, and yeah, RWBY only grew worse with time, unlike others in its era.
A whole lot more stuff like that and the importance of criticism to avoid self-satisfaction which leads to stagnation... blah blah yadda yadda.
Long story short, it's hard to respect something that doesn't even respect itself.
I will hold the opinion that Monty's fight scenes were pretty good, especially for the time. He shined most with the choreography and composition over the actual animation and i think most of the early RWBY fights, including the Red trailer, show that off well. Ill also say the weapon designs were fun in that over the top chuni anime kinda way. You also have to remember this was an indie animation made by one dude over a decade ago. For what it is, its very impressive and i can still watch the Red trailer and feel the hype. The actual animation, story, dialogue, pacing, theming, and everything else? Very bad and have always been pretty bad and overly derivative. The whole production pipeline at RoosterTeeth was a mess so im not surprised at how it ended up. I think DillonGoo, an ex-animator for RWBY, keeps that flashy choreography that Monty was really good at alive while giving it to actually really good animation and serviceable writing.
When it came out I thought it was animated in MMD 😅
It wasn’t?
@@SaberCross19k """thought""" I didn't say it was animated in MMD. I know it's not animated it MMD.
@@SaberCross19k """thought""" I didn't say it was animated in MMD. I know it's not animated it MMD.
@@FYCY No I’m genuinely asking if it was MMD. I personally thought RWBY was made in MMD in early seasons
@@SaberCross19k it was animated in Smith Micro's Poser. So it was simmer to MMD but not MMD
Rwby vol1-3 mid
Rwby vol4-6 bad
Pd: I still don't know how hard the Rwby fans cope to say the new anime is worst than the original
I actually enjoyed 6-8 story more than 1-3 personally. Fight scenes are debatable but overall animation is much more improved
Rwby vol 7-8 fucking abhorrent
They ignored all the rational choices and actions Ironwood had ever done, going out of their way to paint him as an untrustworthy, evil dictator. RWBY betrayed him in favour of an actual egomaniac whose squad was raiding his convoys to repair global communications (which he didn't make public knowledge out of fear they'd be targeted by Salem's group, which makes sense), their treachery and refusal to give him all the information despite his incredible generosity pushed him over the edge. Also, their actions directly destroyed an entire kingdom and they stranded the survivours in what is canonically the most dangerous place in the world, rather than deposit them in Mistral or something.
Rwby vol 9 idiotic
Just going off the trailer and Crunchyroll. And this coming from someone who enjoys the bizzare Wonderland theme in general.
I love RWBY, but it’s bad. I don’t understand the rest of the fanbase not acknowledging that. It’s not a sin to enjoy something that’s bad, but if you don’t admit it then you’re delusional.
As a long time RWBY fan I can only say...Pippa is absolutely right.
RWBY wad bad but it was the cool kind of bad. It was literally a guy mashing PS2 models against each other in cool ridiculous fight scenes. With butt rock.
But it got stale after a few seasons.
Old RWBY was like the junkiest of foods, you know it is bad but you like it anyway. New RWBY is like vegan fast food, just plain bad and that's it.
Rwby's story has always been dog water, but the fight scenes were good because of how they utilized a 3D plain, which was something different at the time.
Now with Land of The Lustrous and other projects by studio orange, even that aspect of Rwby is outdated.
A lot of us knew it was bad from the start, but we wanted to support it so it could be improved. We didn't really care how it improved as long the experience was worth it by the end. The show made the same mistakes over and over, the main characters started off simple and distinct but became slaves to their plot while new characters kept getting introduced and developed only to die or get written out, fights are mediocre, animation is inconsistent, the staff is full of spoiled middle classes, etc. Don't emotionally invest in online projects, kids.
I watched the same trailer when it came out and never cared again. Don't get why people crazy about it till this day.
For those who want a comparison of what other 3D fights looked like on TH-cam, check out the 2012 Link vs. Cloud DEATH BATTLE!! and realize just how good any of Monty's stuff was for the time.
I have a tattoo of Ruby's scythe (along with a couple of other scythes from other shows to form a circle) only because I think the weapons are the best part about the show. 😂
Let's appreciate the early seasons of RWBY for what it really is. For a rough around the edges passion project, it was amazing. It was indie and folks tend to give works like these leeway despite it flaws. But if you're gonna treat it like any other normal story/show, then it will really suck for you. Pippa didn't give it any leeway, so all the mid parts of it are highly pronounced for her. The production was amateur, voice acting and story telling left more to be desired, and so are the others. Its saving grace was it's action and the weapon gimmicks.
It doesn't help that 3d animation tends to age like milk as the years go by, and the behind the scenes controversies of the show makes anyone less forgiving when trying to judge the show as a whole. Hence, you get a Pippa-like take about RWBY.
The RED trailer has infinitely more views than any episode of the show and I love that
I respectfully disagree tho also note at the beginning Rwby felt more like a fun passion project for Monty to show off his amazing mocap animation skills and have some fun characters than a story that was trying to take itself seriously
it was a fun Internet series meant for fans of Monty Oum and his work.
Tbh, only thing i liked from RT was RvB, and even that went downhill eventually
The last good season was the last season with church
Based bunny.
i thought the academy stuff was really cool. then they went and destroyed it for good. no rebuilding or anything. and two of the most interesting and likeable characters died. interesting world, colorful cast, and cool power system. they were basically my hero academia + monster hunter with a built in style meter from dmc. that's a winner. it's a goldmine. you got the world by the balls with that crazy combination. it's just wild how they traded that amazing investment to be the depressing cousin of avatar : tla
The only good thing about RWBY, from the Monty Oum era, were the fight scenes. The thing is, they were REALLY good. If Monty Oum hadn't died and the show retained that while gaining better production value on the rest of the show it could have been much better.
I heard it described that the show had really low lows, but also really high highs. The most accurate statement on the first few seasons I've heard.
They were not good they looked like someone smashing two action figures together at high speed
@@greasysmith3150 Not really
@@greasysmith3150 he cooked great tho
Rwby had a neat little announcement video for ruby. It was all downhill from there.
It was an anime made by people who don’t understand what makes good anime good. They literally just scraped scenes they knew were good and cobbled together a story to move things from fight scene to fight scene.
They forgot/ignore their own lore and character building like a gaggle of amnesiacs. The characters are poorly written as well.
I don’t get the zealotry for the show. Truly.
Not only incredibly based, but also part of the Rwby-was-never-good club? Man, Pippa's truly my spirit animal.
What does Pippa think is good action choreography, then? I need to know.
Naruto vs pain fight😂
The story was there only to give context to fight scenes, and they couldn't even do that right.
Looking back at RWBY S1 and S2, the story was below average and the dialogue was pretty cringe at times. But overall it was a project driven by Monty Oum's passion in fight choreography and the RT fanbase-with a lot of potential of being a successful IP.
But then everything went downhill after S3 and Monty's death, with RT becoming progressively more toxic and pandering to the most insufferable members of the community. And after the whole Vic Mignonna fiasco, I stopped watching RT altogether as more of their hypocrisy came to light in the following years.
RWBY was ok; not good but ok THEN turn to trash.
I agree that the story was never good but the fighting while Monty was alive was definitely above average.
Weapon designs were pretty neat too.
I agree with most of what Pippa said. However, to me at least, the show started to go in a bad direction after the Bumblebee fandom went full Bloat mode.
Rwby would have been 100% better with a simpler story and leaned into its strength which is the fight scenes, just hunters fighting more and more dangerous grimm. No super villain world ending BS.
Basically Monster Hunter with anime girls.
That sounds so boring. There’s way more stakes with a bigger threat. And what do the size of the threat have to do with the quality anyway? There are plenty of amazing series with world ending threats.
@@LXV-e9d this series ain't one of them.
Scale has to do with quality when the quality goes down once the scale increased
Second half of season 3 is kinda kino tho when shit goes down.
And fights were good while Monty was alive. My take is that Pippa just being edgy cause she thinks others praise Monty only cause he is dead, but that guy actually had real talent and made good and fun to watch bizarre choreography.
Nowadays the quality of animation improved but the quality of the story went down tremendously, RWBY had potential to be great show but never was great.
I wish I was there for that stream so I could thank pippa for that take. I've always thought rwby was hammered dog ass in every way imaginable. unfortunately i didn't even know about pippa at the time.
I think most people forget back when RWBY first aired it was nearly unheard of to create your own show without a big studio backing you. The start of indie content.
Kinda a big point yeah cause a lot of the doing it yourself vs you have to sign up for these big companies to actually do anything.
Doesn't matter how it was made, what matters is the end result. It looks bad and the story is bad, doesn't matter that it's made by a small studio.
@Knoloaify made by 1 guy btw
@Nick H Doesn't matter.
@@Knoloaify it does. Retard
I certainly like RWBY. ...As a concept. After Volume 2...things went downhill. Same kind of story screw-ups like in Gundam SEED. I've seen cooler sci-fi monster hunting in God Eater, and those bigger SOBs messed me up in the PSP days.
Imo rwby when it first started was just good, especially for a youtube production at the time. But yes it only got worse and worse after Monty passed away.