They are off to an incredible start. Love the floorplan and the quality of the trailer👍I have only one suggestion to pass along to Ember, please don’t list a starting MSRP of $33,000 and then list over $15,000 of “mandatory” options😳😳😳I know the vast majority of manufacturers have mandatory option packages, but it ticks me off every time I see it. We all know that a mandatory option isn’t an option at all, it’s just a deceiving way of lowballing the starting MSRP. If they just throw out the real starting price, people will appreciate their honesty and respect the Company for doing so👍
@@JoshtheRVNerd heh, i would like to see them deliver one without the mandatory options, and see how well that goes over.... here is the actual base model without any options at all..... probably end up being just a box on frame, no tires, no wiring, no way to hook it to a trailer hitch, no door etc. lol.
Love the innovation! Two issues for my family, one the east-west bed even though I like the full-size queen, two the 1000lb cargo capacity, with 1/2 of that in water weight, and I could easily use up the other 1/2 of the cargo capacity by upgrading batteries and clothing lol. Would love to see Ember go a few feet longer, add a second axel to increase cargo capacity, add a pantry area, and allow for a "walk-around" north-south bed, and this would jump to the top of my list!
Hey Josh... Viewing this video a little later, but a couple of things I've notice with Embers: 1. The front LP/Battery box needs to be a little taller to allow larger LP tanks. If you are off grid, that would help. 2. In lieu of the outside kitchen space, make that a space & wired for a Generator. Again, a plus when off grid.
Love what Ember is doing for the RV industry. Can you imagine a slightly larger bathroom and no bunks (or twin bunks) and some more storage? Perfect couple's camper.
I was thinking that little bunk area would make a great mobile office as well! As a person that may end up needing a wheelchair eventually, I love the rear tow capability.
Swap the 2nd couch for a flip-down countertop and some folding chairs or stools. Make the upper bunk fold or slide out of the aisle, delete the outdoor kitchen, and add a small pantry/closet with room for a dog kennel, desk, or double closet. These Embers are really fantastic, I can't wait to see what they're producing in a couple years!
Ooh.. I kinda like that idea for the little dining bar! Plus, making it flip up/down you could make it all look and feel pretty big when it wasn’t in use!!
I'm thinking instead of the couch a small table. 2 box seats with storage, the front seat could have a flip backrest like a boardwalk bench so you face 2 people on the Murfy. As much as i hate Murfy beds I actually like this setup better than the queen but would be using the bunk area for storage and a closet
I love that Ember has already listened and made a few improvements in just a couple of months. I knew I was going to love that big window on the camp side and I do!. I think many of us are so eagerly anticipating a 2-axle with a bit bigger kitchen and storage. I can't wait. So so excited to watch them grow and produce these awesome trailers.
There’s so much I wish I just had done “right now” Knowing that some things take time to complete isn’t the same as having patience for those things to get completed! I feel like Veruca Salt: I WANT IT NOW!!
Nailed it! Love the perfect combination of compact, yet spacious; tough and rugged, yet stylish and refined; minimal, yet well equipped. I have no opinion on the swoopy slanted paint accents around the windows one way or the other. I like a nice, big, functional outside kitchen because that's where I do most of the cooking- unless the weather's bad- but I can understand why people who don't would prefer to make that optional. I love the addition of the shower miser and the other changes they've made based on feedback. I still love the "EmberGlow" amber night lights/ accent lights. Love that idea of locking the chocks. Love the wood-less, double Azdel construction and just the top notch quality. Would be perfect for us... if it didn't cost almost as much as our house and we had a vehicle that could tow it... But I'll keep on dreaming. Thanks, Josh!
It's funny how contrasting their style is vs what you expect and how well they blend different things together. It's like telling a police sketch artist "he's short but tall and hairy but bald" yet someone it makes sense? lol
It's a great new trailer. There is only one issue that I have & that is storage, since there are no closets in the unit & therefore would love to have the option for more storage, instead of the outdoor kitchen. With that small change, my husband & I could full-time in it. I love the acrylic windows. I loved the demonstration. 😊❤️ Thanks, Josh!
...I'm not normally a Bunk House person, but I love this! I also like that it has no slide and 2 sofas. Great job Ember! I've just added this to my short list. :) Thanks Josh!
They have a no-bunk version coming that’s basically the same thing with just a big bath across the back. A little bit shorter and lighter as a result too!!
The shower ledge is awful - the location causes it to constantly be in the way poking you throughout your shower. Also, nothing stays put on it. Would prefer corner ledges all the way up and down (so you can put your foot up on it for shaving too). Otherwise, love it!
I totally love Ember we finally have an US RV manufacturer to compare to the Australians. I finally found the RV for me Thanks Josh!!! My only concern which is not a deal breaker is the shower 🤔 Simple terms it look cheap!! I would like to see a one piece fiberglass shower with metal fixtures. The roll away shower curtain is fine. Don't take my comments about the shower to heart Ember your doing a great job and are the Elon of the US RV industry. Your lucky to have Josh and his team selling your coach. Happy New Years and best of luck!!
I actually asked about the shower when I saw them. What you see used here was a conscious decision actually due to weight. They knew they were a little heavy and didn’t want to go adding to it if they could help it
Speaking of Elon, I am looking for something to tow behind the Cybertruck. Obviously the lighter the trailer the less impact on range. Even with the biggest battery with over 500 miles of range, towing this trailer is likely to halve that to around 250 miles. Actually I think the sloping roof may contribute to a more aerodynamic shape. But perhaps a version that maintains most of the quality but focuses on weight reduction and aerodynamics. If done right this could be really well received by some/many of the over 1 million Cybertruck reservation holders. The current shape might go well with the angular Cybertruck design but attention should be paid to maximizing the aerodynamics of the CT and hooked up Ember, again to focus on maximizing range. Also, have a 30 Amp shore power connector available near the front of the trailer so it can plug into the 220 plug in the rear bed of the CT. Woohoo! Should be an awesome pairing.
One last point, Ember probably has a year or so to figure it all out. If Ember is ready when the CT hopefully begins production in 2023, they might have a huge new market to get their fair share of. Good luck! Come up with something we can love, even more than your current offerings, which look like the will improve over time.
Really digging these Ember trailers. Hoping to see them build sone tandem axle models. Something between 25-30ft. Thanks for another great review Josh!
Our MDB (Murphy Double Bunk) setup is more similar to a traditional bunk house model with fixed double bunks and an outside kitchen. The new MSL (Murphy Storage Locker) uses Embertrack, our patent-pending reconfigurable bunk / desk / shelving system for totally flexible use in the rear storage area. The bunks are fully repositionable and even removable!
By the time I'm in the market for an RV, Ember will have gotten very well established and worked out some kinks. I love this specific layout, but I'd remove the bunks and put in a desk and small closet, as well as cat's litter box and food and water dishes, probably.
I like the pitched roof. I like the detailing around the windows. I think it softens the appearance around the windows and makes it look less boxy. I love that they shortened the chox thing too. What I am most impressed with is their ability to flex and willingness to make improvements based on feedback! They are such a new company that it would be easy for them to make changes over a couple of years vs. so rapidly. This tells me that they are truly interested in providing a product that people will love and be able to use which is not as common these days, I don't think. I can't wait to see the MSL "missle" version!
Thanks again Susan! I appreciate the visits. I'm glad you took the time to cruise thru the "Ember Timeline" of videos I linked for you. It's super cool seeing how they've already adopted SO MUCH user/viewer input!
Great job Ember! This is my favourite floor plan so far as I’m not interested in a trailer with a slide and I agree with Josh this seems to offer a better kitchen layout and more storage. We are a family of 4 and therefore storage is important so here are the few changes I would like to see to address that. Give me a permanent queen bed at the front with more interior and exterior storage as well as allowing for overhead enclosed cabinets across the front for Mom and Dad. A small traditional dinette that again adds storage and would allow the table to be set up and still access the kitchen which the current set up appears to limit opening the drawers and movement throughout the coach. Delete the outside kitchen and fridge entirely. We already own camp stoves and a bbq and portable solutions allow us to take these on day trips away from the trailer. I am excited to see what Ember comes up with in a 21 foot dual axle bunkhouse. We are looking for a retirement trailer to tow behind a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon so we are limited to a 765lb tongue weight and a max weight under 7000lbs. If the next size up pushes our limits this would be a great set up with the changes mentioned.
Thank you for all the comments here! It'll be really really interesting to see how Ember "fits" within various market spaces & consumer segments. I'm very interested in seeing their continued evolution over time!
On tire locking system suggest wider tire contact area so does damage tire reinforcement. OR Go with electric hydraulic disc brakes with front hitch lockable parking brake. This is common in Europe and Australia in both on and off-road trailers.
Love everything you talked a bout. It is one of the best on slide trades I have seen. I know you get what you pay for. But the price makes it a little high for the common people who have to watch there penny's to own. I would reader have this rv then a wood and stick. But it is something I don't think I could ever afford. But I will say it is worth what they are asking for. One of the best built rv I have ever seen
Ember went about this very intelligently! This brand is something, WHEN it comes in my preferred configuration, that I'd feel comfortable with taking out into the woods where I camp. I am soooo impressed!
This is my favorite type of layout, a small no slide bunkhouse with a huge camp side window. Bonus points for it being a cargo bunkhouse with double double bunks! It's a combination of my two favorite budget campers, the Wolf Pup 16BHS and the Salem/Wildwood FSX 179DBK, but with *huge* upgrades to the materials and construction! I'm trying to find something to dislike about it, and I can't do anything but nitpick on the fact that maybe the wheels are a little ugly? Understand that I really struggled to come up with that! 🤣 The tongue weight is a bit more than I'd feel comfortable hitching up to my midsize truck, but maybe without that tongue box it would work? I just wish it was closer to my entry level budget, but I can (and will) continue to admire these trailers! 😁
I've actually wondered about ordering these without that tongue mounted gear box. I feel like it really completes the look of these but man.. every bit of weight is really counting on these right now between their beefier overall weight and their hitch weights
@@JoshtheRVNerd I completely agree. It's like a spoiler on something like a Mustang, most dealerships order them with it, but then you see one where the customer didn't want it and it just looks weird! But yeah, these campers are a situation where looks are deceiving. They look midsize/SUV towable, but with so much tongue weight they're probably better suited to a half ton.
I’ve been doing a deep dive into the entire set of Ember RVs that are currently available. It appears that they ALL have surprisingly high tongue weights, particularly so for the 17x’s - they also are meticulously in the recommended tongue to overall weight when fully loaded. Thus, I wonder if these would tow as well as they do with less weight on the front. Put another way, although they made them attractive (to folks like me), I wonder if the gear box, and placement of the batteries, inverter, etc. forward is an offset to the placement of the wheels further back. Given how well these are reported to tow, I don’t think removing the gear box or trying to decrease the tongue weight on this is a particularly good idea. But I’m not an engineer and didn’t do particularly well on my high school physics. (I have seen the awesome video of what the fake trailer looks like with a bunch of weight in the back versus the front tho!).
Wow! Love the fact that it's wood free. The windows are fantastic. I like the colors in the bathroom alot. I like the safety aspects they included with the tire and axle. The only thing I would change is the location of the stove. The stove is a little awkward in the corner. That's a camper that will last a long time for sure.
I looked at this and the 191 a few days ago and was surprised at: the kitchen cabinet on the left as you step in the unit was a wood product with paper facing (not solid wood) and was swollen from moisture and the paper was peeling; the kitchen counter was a wood product, not a solid surface; the telescoping cabinet door hinges were discolored and squeaky. Otherwise I loved the unit and it felt solid and very livable. It is actually the only unit I’ve ever felt 100% towards and didn’t feel like I would be settling for something I really didn’t want.
excellent trailer, love 2 sofas, probably would leave bed down most of the time, bunks i normally dont like but, not much else for storage, that bottom one flipping up for bikes and such is the main feature that makes the bunks a plus rather than a negative. would be nice to make top bunk flip up, or take it out mostly, leaving just a shelf up there even with bottom bunk folded up, netting or cabinets there instead, still leaves one bunk available if need it, more storage above it, and taller toy area... could stand skis up in the corner instead of lay them down etc. half folding bunk on bottom, half cabinets up top instead of window and bunk above. only cuts total sleeping space by 1/4 to 1/3, but doubles storage space, cabinet and open space both. unless you have 6 people in there, 6 people in there it will not matter, still room for 3 adults or 2 adults and 2 kids, which is more than enough people in something this size anyway. if you have 4 kids or 6 people going often, you probably need something bigger anyway...... now i think of it, if left that top window there.... if did it right, they could make that top bunk / cabinet change over could even be swappable at the dealership as easy as adding another a/c. rather than have to do it at factory manufacture level, just use a back wall of the storage insert to block top window, no need for your supplies to look outside, nor anyone in at them... could be swapped out in 30 minutes if have the storage section premade just sitting there like other options are.
We got to meet Ashley and the Ember team at the Tampa show yesterday, our first ever RV Show. This will be our first RV and we need to get it right. Thank you Josh, for showing us the way. I've been following the last three months, since your first Ember review, which by the way I've watched a few times, so many details. Our top two ideas passed along to the team, an office in place of the bunks and theater seating in the "191MTS" delivered to us at 2023 Tampa show.
I love it! I’ve liked the Embers since they were announced, but I absolutely love this floor plan. I can’t list all the things I love about it, but my absolute faves are the totally woodless construction and those windows. I fell in love with those style windows when I first saw them on European caravans. Between the windows and the blinds/shades, I can’t say enough about them. As for the eyebrows, I’m neutral. I don’t love them, but I don’t hate them. I can’t think of a single thing I’d change on it.
@@JoshtheRVNerd A couple more quick things I really like. The true queen bed and double over double bunks. I don’t think I’ve ever seen those two together on a single axle no-slide trailer before. Bravo Ember, bravo.
@@bryana1942 The residential sized bedding was a real surprise to me. When I first heard about what they were doing I figured they'd have the same camp queen or 54" x 80" beds that everyone else uses. I know it has a fold, but it still allows for things others just.. DON'T
Bunks are well over 300lbs. I've not seen a weight rating on that bed. I can only tell you "it's solid" which feels like the kind of thing that would make my eyes roll if I were the one asking the question. I regret to have no better info to provide you on that one
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks for the info! I am 6’4” 250, so I have to worry about those kinds of things. I appreciate the crap out of this channel. I’ve learned a ton and still am learning.
@@michaelhales5695 I would imagine. I'm big-ish but not TOO far outside the norm. There's stuff like that I don't generally consider. Appreciate the perspective -- it's stuff like this that helps shape what I do! :)
Wow!!! I’m in LOVE WITH THIS RV!!! All they need to do is offer an ALL ELECTRIC trailer!!! No propane please!!! And I would love it if the raise the little side counter so it’s level to the kitchen counter top! That would also give us additional cabinet space
If you're interested, then here are a pair of good Ember groups I've found on Facebook: * Owner's Group actually monitored by Ember directly: facebook.com/groups/1075025376649400/ * Fan Club Group with a lot of folks who have various camping experience: facebook.com/groups/635651924106407/
I love this. Been looking for a double bunk with a proper bathroom that’s not cheaply made, has no slide and is smaller than 23’. And it looks great, too! This is a unicorn! I’m more than happy to give up kitchen space for bunks. I like the sofa with tables. Maybe two Lagun tables like you see in the AIrstream Basecamp that can come together and move apart would better in the tight space. Would also prefer double axle. Is the bathroom sink plastic? I could live with that, but with the price tag it would be nice to have an aluminum sink. For the windows, can you make them like airstream where you don’t have to open the screen in order to open/close the windows. Makes it easier to keep the bugs out at night. IMO, I’d rather have this than an AS Basecamp or Caravel or a Lance. One last wish list request? Can you figure out how to make a slide that can be manually cranked? Husband is against slides bc they break down. This really is a dream rv. Great job!!!
So you know any type of slide system has a manual override. The method may vary a little bit between the slide itself, but they all can be brought in manually as required
Excellent and detailed reviews as always! I've been looking for a TT for years and follow your reviews. I was settled on Jayco but given there is an indirect connection to Ember and similarities. I am now leaning towards Ember. Really like that they have taken cues not only from the Jayco quality, craftmanship, capacity and warranty but also taken cues from other manufacturers. From the true off-road suspension that you typically only see in Aussie manufactured trailers with the Curt suspension. To simple beneficial upgrades with the shower miser and a stargazer window. Also love the fact they realize that the mattress should be completely hidden when folded away. Whereas others allow the mattress to still be seen. Never, understood why they thought that was okay. Much cleaner look with the Ember configuration. Looking forward to your review of the 170BH! Keep up the excellent reviews!
It might be a good idea to round the metal caps that are located at the upper corners of the benches. These appear to be absolute bruisers (literally) especially when exiting the bed. Perhaps making a 90 degree half pipe, or something that looks like a bullnose.
A very good start for Ember. I will become very interested if they make a tandem axel 28-33’. I am still researching what I will be hauling behind my F250 Tremor. Right now, the Black and the xPlore have my attention but none of those options quite give me the size and room separation I want. Don’t want a bunkhouse, but a conversion option for a single guest. Hopefully Ember realizes enough success to roadmap plans for different types of tandem axle lengths and options.
Very nice, love the two sofas. So nice to hear of a company that listens and make changes in the same year. Like the screens and how much sound the windows block out. Nice meeting you today.
Tiny nitpick I noticed the gap on the top of the front storage box. Looks like it will gather leaves. I also am ready for a north south bed and 2 axles for hopefully less tongue weight. Great job as always Josh..
Josh, I feel well treated!!! What a boondocking, off the grid, overlanding dream come true! Ashley Bontrager Lehman is keeping the Bontager family name associated with quality RV's alive! I want one soooo bad!
What impresses me most about this is despite the "industry core" pedigree possessed by the leadership of Ember so much of this is just wildly outside of the box. It's incredible
@@JoshtheRVNerd Fully agree Josh. I am boondock minded and this camper checks all the boxes of my imagination. By the way.......us Hillbilly types would really appreciate those flip up windows for target practice in style and comfort! LoL!!!
@@richardkoch8752 even with the 12V fridge? We dry camp (boondock) a lot and could never have a 12V fridge for two weeks with no power. This was the only drawback I found on this unit as equipped. Needs to be a gas/electric fridge for proper 'off grid' use of more than a couple days.
@@NYVET48TFW Li batteries and the solar panels will take care of that issue. With SOK Brand 200 AH Li's at $1K currently before a 26% tax credit, faster charging (40% faster) can be taken down to 0 charge w/out damage, 28 Lbs for a 100 AH, 50 Lb for a 200 AH battery. It would take 4 lead acid batteries to match the 200 AH Li. Way more efficient fridge that will work in the cold and heat. No open flame or fire hazard. A Li battery would probably be the last battery you would ever have to buy. Battle Born has had batteries go over 5000 charges....that would be charging once a day for 13 plus years. I would think if you boondock you already have a small portable inverter/gen......that would take care of a Li battery in a couple of hrs. With the drop in price of lithium a person can't hardly afford not to have one.
"at H...uh... our location." Oh Uncle Josh! Good quick catch. The new name will come easier with time. This is a very well thought model. Too many upgrades to mention my favorites.
hhahahaha yeah.. it's going to happen for a while I'm sure Then in like two years one time I'll flat spit out "Haylett RV" for some reason and not even realize it until someone on video mentions it I'm sure lol :)
Convert The bunk bed space into storage and second living space. With the queen bed it would then be a great two person trailer. Look at the leisure travel fax with the two separate living spaces. Option to have outside kitchen space as storage. Maybe a place to attach a outdoor table and propane fast connect.
Definitely, this is my favorite Ember coach too. Top 5 no matter the manufacturer or model. Agree with your comment about the window shade extending from the bottom up. The removable ladder that can be hung on two sides is great. Any OSHA or safety code will tell you the inclination is similar to what you did at the end of the video, extending it approx 3Ft over the roof. Does the hitch is 2"? It seems small and 2in is the most common one. The outside storage lid straps will rotten with time. What about a rubber-covered metal wire? What about that black dome? Is that a WiFi ranger with SIM card/satellite internet capability?. A TV-CD combo set will be great too. It is for Overlanding but entertainment for the family makes life a lot easier. Especially when the weather doesn't help. Can the Max Solar Package be ordered with Lithioninc batteries instead of Battleborns? A Lithionic battery is 305 or 315W vs the Battlebon's 100W. What about roof rack? Aong all other hundreds of potential uses, I'll personally use it in two ways: 1. I have a big roof cargo box. Like 7ft long. I will store things that I want to keep in the RV at all times but don't use often. 2. The 2nd possibility is that I have a long and heavy fishing kayak. I will use the cargo area for something else and install one of those side load-assist kayak thingies on the roof rack.
Big text. TH-cam makes it hard for me to see and reply to it all at once so apologies if I miss stuff! Ember only offers battleborns with max solar. Unable to individually request different varieties Hitch is 2”!
Josh, I am as excited as you are! Love the 190MDP. It has everything and laid out with the camper in mind. Inside and out… color is perfect. Would love to know more about solar feature on the 190MDP. Only suggestion or add on would be to have a rear camera on the trailer to help back it in to areas if you are traveling solo. All and All ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️.
Nice that there is a 12v fridge. faster to cool, holds temperature better without having to worry about being perfectly level. It also works well with the lithium batteries. Problem is it’s just too heavy right now. Waiting patiently for a smaller one that is about 1000# lighter. Something that competes well with the G19FD.
At first when I heard real queen bed and two sofas I was so thrilled. But major bummer about the folding mattress. I guess thateans you can only buy your yearly replacement mattress from a camping dealer. Also kind of a bummer it is a sideways sleeping situation. I would find it challenging climbing over the three dachshunds to get out of the bed. Suggestion for future model:. add a couple feet to this floorplan so that a standard, off-the-shelf residential queen mattress and the bed would go north/south. Could be a relationship saver!ll. Really nice bathroom and the under sofa storage could serve as a pantry. Kitchen is decent. I could transport a scooter in the storage space under the bunkhouse I believe, a bonus for us disabled folks!!!
Yeah condensing things down this much really forces things to be later up pretty heavily I would estimate as the company grows and their offerings expand you will see more options like you’re seeking become available
I’ve got to see these! This one-put the double axles under it and up the cargo capacity, possibly offer 8’ width. 10’4 height huge plus for fuel efficiency and could fit in carports or even some garages. Loose the under sofa storage for some full width in the outside storage (to fit a travel bbq) and option to loose the camp kitchen.
I LOVE that someone got the kitchen right for some of us. I don't want an oven, we do almost all of our cooking outside, so the little setup they have in the Ember is perfect! I would like to see the outside kitchen as an option though. You camp for a long time, you acquire your own gear/setup that you like. We watched the review with the slide out, and I honestly think I like the jack knife sofa option better, at least for our needs. The bunks are fantastic. Love the way they fold up for extra storage. How much do the bunks hold (weight limit)?
I really love this floor plan but I don't like an east)west bed you have to climb over someone. Need a north, south bed with room to walk around. Other than that, I love the outdoor kitchen too.
Love these embers, I am not sure how many it can seat on rainy days though. I would love to know what the weight ratings are for the bunks are. Great walk through as usual. Keep up the great work
I really dig these campers. I have also been looking at the Lectric 2.0 for a beginner electric bike for me and the missus. Maybe I will end up with one of these Ember's and a couple of e-bikes running around. And I will definitely have my kayak/stand up paddle board hybrid slid in from that back door!! I just think they nailed this thing!! The only thing I would like better would be a north/south facing bed but I get the constraints.
This is a nice RV. I think of it as more of a 2 person camper. I would use it off the grid and National Forest and park camping. I would like to see a second set of wheels underneath. I am beginning to like no slide outs more and more.
They did awesome with this one. Only thing is take out the partition under bed to make it more open. So you can have access from outside and inside. Thanks for sharing Josh👍👍
Which partition exactly, Ted? The left side under the bed (as you're facing is) holds stuff like your Truma Combi water heater/furnace. The Right side is either open for storage if you lift the sofa or it'll be packed with the equipment for the max solar package. Do you mean the panel that closes off the side of the under-sofa storage as seen from the camp-side baggage door?
@@tedcharp Got it. As I started typing it I was like "wait.. I think I answered my own question." But I figured I typed that much.. might as well finish it LOL :)
But my #1 preference is for a Front kitchen/rear Twin to King bed model. Or Side kitchen, rear twin to king and front dinette that converts? No slides.
The quality so far looks amazing and the little extras all throughout make this thing stand out. I really hope to see a flagstaff 25brds or Rockwood 2509s version of this company. Things are looking great.
About the windows, one issue I have is everything on the rig is angular, but the window "eye shadow" is rounded, does not fit that well for me. Also the driver-side bathroom window is missing part of the eyeshadow, and I realize it was done on purpose due to the graphics, but it bugs me that it is different than the other windows. As for the outside kitchen, options are always nice and would give a good amount of outside storage for those who want it, that said, I would prefer the outside kitchen.
More and more I am looking forward to when they will start coming to Canada. One thing I love is those windows, the design of them, the way they open, and being up in the north I can tell you that thicker windows can be huge when you are dealing with cold nights. Two things I don't like is the weight limits but I understand that there isn't much they can do there, just shows that I think they will really benefit from the second axle. If this is what they can do with one set of wheels, I can't wait for them to show what they can do with two. Second thing is kind of minor, I love those orange lights but having them on a dimmer instead of a switch would make it great for night lights and for use in inclement weather. Fantastic trailer though, really wished I could get my hands on one.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh okay, just didn't know if the orange lights specifically were on a dimmer as well. Very cool. Thanks for putting in the time for all of these videos. Super excited for what is coming up as you come into some new series of campers especially Arctic Fox. Thanks for the hard work you do. Catch you on the next one.
@@animefan1008 I know the BIG light above the bed is on a dimmer. I know the bathroom amber light is on a dimmer. I THINK the entry amber light is on a dimmer
Perfect model for Quest family adventures! Seriously, Great trailer. Full queen Murphy bed, OTG everything and I like seeing more non-dinette floor plans like this, good bathroom space too. The suspension is ‘totally rad dude’🤙🏼. Looks like it can handle some bodacious trails 🎒🗺 But payload-wise it’s somewhat flaccid.
Josh perfect!!!! One question...does the 2nd couch fold into a bed? And one simple suggestion that will cost Ember $0... please, please, please have them reverse All the shades so privacy shade comes up from bottom and bug screen down from top...that way you still get circulation but anyone could walk around naked and have privacy!!! Lol...same idea you mentioned with the door...they just need to reverse it!!! Easy peasie!!
Yep! The sofa against the sidewall definitely folds down! (I thought I got footage of that for you actually..) So basically roll it over flip it and reverse it
I despise the dinette and the bed that takes over the whole bedroom. So I took my dinette out, made that my aviary (I have a couple parrots), and I cut my bed down in my draped bedroom area and made a nice "day bed" so that I also have my computer desk. I mean if I sell my Jayco, I can easily rebuild the bed if they want it, but there is so many things in the "classic" layout that I wish they would update to be more modern. The Ember is a good step forward so far. Though I will never without a slide out again.
I don't know exactly where the line would be. One thing to remember is this does have a mattress that folds. So a traditional 1-pc mattress could be a problem. I'd likely still add at least a nice topper to it I could roll up when putting the bed away if you just wanted to leave the bed "down" all the time, then you could put nearly any queen on it you wanted
Any chance they could make those flip-up cabinet doors open wider? I like to use the basket packing method and accessing the contents of those flip-up cabinets looks like it would get irriating.
No optional outside kitchen I really like the new kitchen inside, Also, I am in no need of bunk beds. I would rather have the extra space. Great review Josh!
@@JoshtheRVNerd I’m not sold on any yet because of the storage and the carry capacity for how heavy it is, 1000 is low. I wouldn’t get one with a foldable mattress either but that’s just personal preference. I really love the look and quality of the Ember but also quite a heavy tongue weight which is another concern.
I love this trailer, if they got rid of the bunks and outside kitchen, so I could personalize the "garage" area, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I'm looking for a long/ full-time trailer and this would kill it
Ladder safety. Use a 1:4 ratio, keep the base 25% as far from the base as the height. And yes, run the ladder over the roof floor. You covered it, good for you, but dang!!
This is a great trailer the floor plan is great and a small generator and out in the world you go I love the outside kitchen it should be all standard live the angled eye windows
We give the inside 👍, would be a two thumber except for that Murphy bed. We give the outside 👍👍. I read the comments about the pricing, you were talking about the ladder, it “Should be” standard. I know this one American made, but the Black Series made in Australia (I think I have it correct), so far has them beat. Yes it’s Pricier. I know that materials are hard to come buy, but Ember (which I know is a new start up) needs to step it UP before they miss a step on the ladder rung. Josh👍👍👍👍👍, thanks for the good, bad & ugly. Stay warm, keep’m coming, have a blessed day today and God Bless
They are off to an incredible start. Love the floorplan and the quality of the trailer👍I have only one suggestion to pass along to Ember, please don’t list a starting MSRP of $33,000 and then list over $15,000 of “mandatory” options😳😳😳I know the vast majority of manufacturers have mandatory option packages, but it ticks me off every time I see it. We all know that a mandatory option isn’t an option at all, it’s just a deceiving way of lowballing the starting MSRP. If they just throw out the real starting price, people will appreciate their honesty and respect the Company for doing so👍
You're preaching to the choir. The phrase "Mandatory Options" makes my brain melt every time I see it
Agree Agree Agree!!!
@@JoshtheRVNerd heh, i would like to see them deliver one without the mandatory options, and see how well that goes over.... here is the actual base model without any options at all..... probably end up being just a box on frame, no tires, no wiring, no way to hook it to a trailer hitch, no door etc. lol.
True otherwise it's bate & switch
@@stevenkaskus6173 *Bait. You’re welcome.
This one of favorites of the Embers. Thank you Josh! I love the interior colors. It’s all very nice.
Glad you like them!
I wish Ember was in our price range!
Love the innovation! Two issues for my family, one the east-west bed even though I like the full-size queen, two the 1000lb cargo capacity, with 1/2 of that in water weight, and I could easily use up the other 1/2 of the cargo capacity by upgrading batteries and clothing lol. Would love to see Ember go a few feet longer, add a second axel to increase cargo capacity, add a pantry area, and allow for a "walk-around" north-south bed, and this would jump to the top of my list!
Agree sir. Agree. I think as they evolve you'll see more of those concepts work into their lineup
Hey Josh... Viewing this video a little later, but a couple of things I've notice with Embers:
1. The front LP/Battery box needs to be a little taller to allow larger LP tanks. If you are off grid, that would help.
2. In lieu of the outside kitchen space, make that a space & wired for a Generator. Again, a plus when off grid.
Larger LP tanks has suddenly become a regular request. TY for voicing your thoughts btw
Love what Ember is doing for the RV industry. Can you imagine a slightly larger bathroom and no bunks (or twin bunks) and some more storage? Perfect couple's camper.
They actually have a version of this coming that’s eerily close to that. No bunks and a big bath on the back instead
@@JoshtheRVNerd maybe something between? Like storage with rear door and a single folding bunk at the top level.
That would be perfect@
I was thinking that little bunk area would make a great mobile office as well! As a person that may end up needing a wheelchair eventually, I love the rear tow capability.
I don't believe it has a "rear tow" capability. It looks like a 1 1/4 inch receiver with 300 pound weight limit.
Any small trailer with no dinette is a must watch video👍
Glad to have you here, Steve :)
I think you'll like this one :)
and no slide 😉
Swap the 2nd couch for a flip-down countertop and some folding chairs or stools. Make the upper bunk fold or slide out of the aisle, delete the outdoor kitchen, and add a small pantry/closet with room for a dog kennel, desk, or double closet. These Embers are really fantastic, I can't wait to see what they're producing in a couple years!
Ooh.. I kinda like that idea for the little dining bar! Plus, making it flip up/down you could make it all look and feel pretty big when it wasn’t in use!!
I'm thinking instead of the couch a small table. 2 box seats with storage, the front seat could have a flip backrest like a boardwalk bench so you face 2 people on the Murfy.
As much as i hate Murfy beds I actually like this setup better than the queen but would be using the bunk area for storage and a closet
I love that Ember has already listened and made a few improvements in just a couple of months. I knew I was going to love that big window on the camp side and I do!. I think many of us are so eagerly anticipating a 2-axle with a bit bigger kitchen and storage. I can't wait. So so excited to watch them grow and produce these awesome trailers.
There’s so much I wish I just had done “right now”
Knowing that some things take time to complete isn’t the same as having patience for those things to get completed!
I feel like Veruca Salt: I WANT IT NOW!!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Not only funny in videos but funny in the comments!🤣😂
I second!
Yes make the kitchen optional but keep the fold up bunks .uch better than the MSL...then it will be nearly perfect.
Nailed it! Love the perfect combination of compact, yet spacious; tough and rugged, yet stylish and refined; minimal, yet well equipped.
I have no opinion on the swoopy slanted paint accents around the windows one way or the other.
I like a nice, big, functional outside kitchen because that's where I do most of the cooking- unless the weather's bad- but I can understand why people who don't would prefer to make that optional.
I love the addition of the shower miser and the other changes they've made based on feedback. I still love the "EmberGlow" amber night lights/ accent lights. Love that idea of locking the chocks. Love the wood-less, double Azdel construction and just the top notch quality. Would be perfect for us... if it didn't cost almost as much as our house and we had a vehicle that could tow it... But I'll keep on dreaming.
Thanks, Josh!
It's funny how contrasting their style is vs what you expect and how well they blend different things together. It's like telling a police sketch artist "he's short but tall and hairy but bald" yet someone it makes sense? lol
It's a great new trailer. There is only one issue that I have & that is storage, since there are no closets in the unit & therefore would love to have the option for more storage, instead of the outdoor kitchen. With that small change, my husband & I could full-time in it. I love the acrylic windows. I loved the demonstration.
😊❤️ Thanks, Josh!
Thanks for sharing! I believe Ember is working on either making the camp kitchen an option _or_ making an option to delete it
My wife said she ALSO loved the window demonstration. Especially the part where she could no longer hear me lol :)
...I'm not normally a Bunk House person, but I love this! I also like that it has no slide and 2 sofas. Great job Ember! I've just added this to my short list. :) Thanks Josh!
They have a no-bunk version coming that’s basically the same thing with just a big bath across the back. A little bit shorter and lighter as a result too!!
The shower ledge is awful - the location causes it to constantly be in the way poking you throughout your shower. Also, nothing stays put on it. Would prefer corner ledges all the way up and down (so you can put your foot up on it for shaving too). Otherwise, love it!
I totally love Ember we finally have an US RV manufacturer to compare to the Australians. I finally found the RV for me Thanks Josh!!! My only concern which is not a deal breaker is the shower 🤔 Simple terms it look cheap!! I would like to see a one piece fiberglass shower with metal fixtures. The roll away shower curtain is fine. Don't take my comments about the shower to heart Ember your doing a great job and are the Elon of the US RV industry. Your lucky to have Josh and his team selling your coach. Happy New Years and best of luck!!
I actually asked about the shower when I saw them. What you see used here was a conscious decision actually due to weight. They knew they were a little heavy and didn’t want to go adding to it if they could help it
Speaking of Elon, I am looking for something to tow behind the Cybertruck. Obviously the lighter the trailer the less impact on range. Even with the biggest battery with over 500 miles of range, towing this trailer is likely to halve that to around 250 miles. Actually I think the sloping roof may contribute to a more aerodynamic shape. But perhaps a version that maintains most of the quality but focuses on weight reduction and aerodynamics. If done right this could be really well received by some/many of the over 1 million Cybertruck reservation holders. The current shape might go well with the angular Cybertruck design but attention should be paid to maximizing the aerodynamics of the CT and hooked up Ember, again to focus on maximizing range. Also, have a 30 Amp shore power connector available near the front of the trailer so it can plug into the 220 plug in the rear bed of the CT. Woohoo! Should be an awesome pairing.
One last point, Ember probably has a year or so to figure it all out. If Ember is ready when the CT hopefully begins production in 2023, they might have a huge new market to get their fair share of. Good luck! Come up with something we can love, even more than your current offerings, which look like the will improve over time.
Finally a bathroom with a high window! Such a thoughtfully dine trailer.
Really digging these Ember trailers. Hoping to see them build sone tandem axle models. Something between 25-30ft. Thanks for another great review Josh!
Hopefully later this year!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Start with the Intech Terra Oasis, put the Ember thought and production to it and you'd have a winner
I'd like to see tandems on a 15-17' model.
What’s the difference between the mdb and the msl. Interested in getting one but just don’t know
MDB = fixed bunks
MSL = removable
Our MDB (Murphy Double Bunk) setup is more similar to a traditional bunk house model with fixed double bunks and an outside kitchen. The new MSL (Murphy Storage Locker) uses Embertrack, our patent-pending reconfigurable bunk / desk / shelving system for totally flexible use in the rear storage area. The bunks are fully repositionable and even removable!
By the time I'm in the market for an RV, Ember will have gotten very well established and worked out some kinks.
I love this specific layout, but I'd remove the bunks and put in a desk and small closet, as well as cat's litter box and food and water dishes, probably.
I think their removable bunk system will likely be available on more models by then. It'll be interesting to see
@@JoshtheRVNerd oh I didn't notice they had removable bunks on some of their models! I must not have watched the relevant videos
That is the PERFECT TRAILER! Omgosh, when we are ready to buy brand new - this one is it!!!!!!!!!
Wow! Not sure I've ever heard you say that before! High marks!
I like the pitched roof. I like the detailing around the windows. I think it softens the appearance around the windows and makes it look less boxy. I love that they shortened the chox thing too. What I am most impressed with is their ability to flex and willingness to make improvements based on feedback! They are such a new company that it would be easy for them to make changes over a couple of years vs. so rapidly. This tells me that they are truly interested in providing a product that people will love and be able to use which is not as common these days, I don't think. I can't wait to see the MSL "missle" version!
Thanks again Susan! I appreciate the visits. I'm glad you took the time to cruise thru the "Ember Timeline" of videos I linked for you. It's super cool seeing how they've already adopted SO MUCH user/viewer input!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes! That definitely inspires me to keep them on my list for when I am ready to buy!
Great job Ember!
This is my favourite floor plan so far as I’m not interested in a trailer with a slide and I agree with Josh this seems to offer a better kitchen layout and more storage.
We are a family of 4 and therefore storage is important so here are the few changes I would like to see to address that.
Give me a permanent queen bed at the front with more interior and exterior storage as well as allowing for overhead enclosed cabinets across the front for Mom and Dad.
A small traditional dinette that again adds storage and would allow the table to be set up and still access the kitchen which the current set up appears to limit opening the drawers and movement throughout the coach.
Delete the outside kitchen and fridge entirely. We already own camp stoves and a bbq and portable solutions allow us to take these on day trips away from the trailer.
I am excited to see what Ember comes up with in a 21 foot dual axle bunkhouse. We are looking for a retirement trailer to tow behind a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon so we are limited to a 765lb tongue weight and a max weight under 7000lbs.
If the next size up pushes our limits this would be a great set up with the changes mentioned.
Thank you for all the comments here! It'll be really really interesting to see how Ember "fits" within various market spaces & consumer segments. I'm very interested in seeing their continued evolution over time!
On tire locking system suggest wider tire contact area so does damage tire reinforcement.
OR
Go with electric hydraulic disc brakes with front hitch lockable parking brake. This is common in Europe and Australia in both on and off-road trailers.
The bigger tire contact area for the locking mechanism is a reasonable point I think. TY for this!
I just can’t say enough how much I love this trailer take away one couch and add a desk and you have a go anywhere and work and live home
I could see that! WHICH couch would you remove is the question?
Love everything you talked a bout. It is one of the best on slide trades I have seen. I know you get what you pay for. But the price makes it a little high for the common people who have to watch there penny's to own. I would reader have this rv then a wood and stick. But it is something I don't think I could ever afford. But I will say it is worth what they are asking for. One of the best built rv I have ever seen
Ember went about this very intelligently! This brand is something, WHEN it comes in my preferred configuration, that I'd feel comfortable with taking out into the woods where I camp. I am soooo impressed!
I can't wait to see things like their couple's camping models
This is my favorite type of layout, a small no slide bunkhouse with a huge camp side window. Bonus points for it being a cargo bunkhouse with double double bunks! It's a combination of my two favorite budget campers, the Wolf Pup 16BHS and the Salem/Wildwood FSX 179DBK, but with *huge* upgrades to the materials and construction!
I'm trying to find something to dislike about it, and I can't do anything but nitpick on the fact that maybe the wheels are a little ugly? Understand that I really struggled to come up with that! 🤣
The tongue weight is a bit more than I'd feel comfortable hitching up to my midsize truck, but maybe without that tongue box it would work? I just wish it was closer to my entry level budget, but I can (and will) continue to admire these trailers! 😁
I've actually wondered about ordering these without that tongue mounted gear box. I feel like it really completes the look of these but man.. every bit of weight is really counting on these right now between their beefier overall weight and their hitch weights
@@JoshtheRVNerd I completely agree. It's like a spoiler on something like a Mustang, most dealerships order them with it, but then you see one where the customer didn't want it and it just looks weird!
But yeah, these campers are a situation where looks are deceiving. They look midsize/SUV towable, but with so much tongue weight they're probably better suited to a half ton.
I’ve been doing a deep dive into the entire set of Ember RVs that are currently available. It appears that they ALL have surprisingly high tongue weights, particularly so for the 17x’s - they also are meticulously in the recommended tongue to overall weight when fully loaded. Thus, I wonder if these would tow as well as they do with less weight on the front. Put another way, although they made them attractive (to folks like me), I wonder if the gear box, and placement of the batteries, inverter, etc. forward is an offset to the placement of the wheels further back. Given how well these are reported to tow, I don’t think removing the gear box or trying to decrease the tongue weight on this is a particularly good idea. But I’m not an engineer and didn’t do particularly well on my high school physics. (I have seen the awesome video of what the fake trailer looks like with a bunch of weight in the back versus the front tho!).
Wow! Love the fact that it's wood free. The windows are fantastic. I like the colors in the bathroom alot. I like the safety aspects they included with the tire and axle. The only thing I would change is the location of the stove. The stove is a little awkward in the corner. That's a camper that will last a long time for sure.
Glad you like it!
Needs a north south murphy bed
That's what this one is th-cam.com/video/GkYOUCQBP7I/w-d-xo.html
Check out the Overland Series 221MDB or 221MSL!
I looked at this and the 191 a few days ago and was surprised at: the kitchen cabinet on the left as you step in the unit was a wood product with paper facing (not solid wood) and was swollen from moisture and the paper was peeling; the kitchen counter was a wood product, not a solid surface; the telescoping cabinet door hinges were discolored and squeaky. Otherwise I loved the unit and it felt solid and very livable. It is actually the only unit I’ve ever felt 100% towards and didn’t feel like I would be settling for something I really didn’t want.
excellent trailer, love 2 sofas, probably would leave bed down most of the time, bunks i normally dont like but, not much else for storage, that bottom one flipping up for bikes and such is the main feature that makes the bunks a plus rather than a negative. would be nice to make top bunk flip up, or take it out mostly, leaving just a shelf up there even with bottom bunk folded up, netting or cabinets there instead, still leaves one bunk available if need it, more storage above it, and taller toy area... could stand skis up in the corner instead of lay them down etc. half folding bunk on bottom, half cabinets up top instead of window and bunk above. only cuts total sleeping space by 1/4 to 1/3, but doubles storage space, cabinet and open space both. unless you have 6 people in there, 6 people in there it will not matter, still room for 3 adults or 2 adults and 2 kids, which is more than enough people in something this size anyway. if you have 4 kids or 6 people going often, you probably need something bigger anyway...... now i think of it, if left that top window there.... if did it right, they could make that top bunk / cabinet change over could even be swappable at the dealership as easy as adding another a/c. rather than have to do it at factory manufacture level, just use a back wall of the storage insert to block top window, no need for your supplies to look outside, nor anyone in at them... could be swapped out in 30 minutes if have the storage section premade just sitting there like other options are.
An absolute YES on the flip up-upper bunk idea. I'd totally love to see something like that!!
We got to meet Ashley and the Ember team at the Tampa show yesterday, our first ever RV Show. This will be our first RV and we need to get it right. Thank you Josh, for showing us the way. I've been following the last three months, since your first Ember review, which by the way I've watched a few times, so many details. Our top two ideas passed along to the team, an office in place of the bunks and theater seating in the "191MTS" delivered to us at 2023 Tampa show.
They’re listening! That’s for sure
I love it! I’ve liked the Embers since they were announced, but I absolutely love this floor plan. I can’t list all the things I love about it, but my absolute faves are the totally woodless construction and those windows. I fell in love with those style windows when I first saw them on European caravans. Between the windows and the blinds/shades, I can’t say enough about them. As for the eyebrows, I’m neutral. I don’t love them, but I don’t hate them.
I can’t think of a single thing I’d change on it.
"eyebrows" lol
Thank you for the info, Bryan!
@@JoshtheRVNerd A couple more quick things I really like. The true queen bed and double over double bunks. I don’t think I’ve ever seen those two together on a single axle no-slide trailer before. Bravo Ember, bravo.
YES those European windows!!!! These Embers are fantastic! Waiting to win that Powerball now! lol
@@PennsylvaniaBigfootProject Not if I win it first. 😁
@@bryana1942 The residential sized bedding was a real surprise to me. When I first heard about what they were doing I figured they'd have the same camp queen or 54" x 80" beds that everyone else uses.
I know it has a fold, but it still allows for things others just.. DON'T
Would love to know the weight ratings for the bunks and the Murphy bed. A bit skeptical with Murphy beds and the structural integrity.
Bunks are well over 300lbs. I've not seen a weight rating on that bed. I can only tell you "it's solid" which feels like the kind of thing that would make my eyes roll if I were the one asking the question. I regret to have no better info to provide you on that one
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks for the info! I am 6’4” 250, so I have to worry about those kinds of things. I appreciate the crap out of this channel. I’ve learned a ton and still am learning.
@@michaelhales5695 I would imagine. I'm big-ish but not TOO far outside the norm. There's stuff like that I don't generally consider. Appreciate the perspective -- it's stuff like this that helps shape what I do! :)
Wow!!! I’m in LOVE WITH THIS RV!!!
All they need to do is offer an ALL ELECTRIC trailer!!! No propane please!!! And I would love it if the raise the little side counter so it’s level to the kitchen counter top! That would also give us additional cabinet space
If you're interested, then here are a pair of good Ember groups I've found on Facebook:
* Owner's Group actually monitored by Ember directly: facebook.com/groups/1075025376649400/
* Fan Club Group with a lot of folks who have various camping experience: facebook.com/groups/635651924106407/
I love this. Been looking for a double bunk with a proper bathroom that’s not cheaply made, has no slide and is smaller than 23’. And it looks great, too! This is a unicorn! I’m more than happy to give up kitchen space for bunks. I like the sofa with tables. Maybe two Lagun tables like you see in the AIrstream Basecamp that can come together and move apart would better in the tight space. Would also prefer double axle. Is the bathroom sink plastic? I could live with that, but with the price tag it would be nice to have an aluminum sink. For the windows, can you make them like airstream where you don’t have to open the screen in order to open/close the windows. Makes it easier to keep the bugs out at night. IMO, I’d rather have this than an AS Basecamp or Caravel or a Lance. One last wish list request? Can you figure out how to make a slide that can be manually cranked? Husband is against slides bc they break down. This really is a dream rv. Great job!!!
So you know any type of slide system has a manual override. The method may vary a little bit between the slide itself, but they all can be brought in manually as required
I like the shading around the windows. Gives it a cool modern look.
Kinda how I felt too. TY :)
Excellent and detailed reviews as always! I've been looking for a TT for years and follow your reviews. I was settled on Jayco but given there is an indirect connection to Ember and similarities. I am now leaning towards Ember. Really like that they have taken cues not only from the Jayco quality, craftmanship, capacity and warranty but also taken cues from other manufacturers. From the true off-road suspension that you typically only see in Aussie manufactured trailers with the Curt suspension. To simple beneficial upgrades with the shower miser and a stargazer window. Also love the fact they realize that the mattress should be completely hidden when folded away. Whereas others allow the mattress to still be seen. Never, understood why they thought that was okay. Much cleaner look with the Ember configuration. Looking forward to your review of the 170BH! Keep up the excellent reviews!
170 is another that excites me. Sorta of like this they’ve gone the route of the double sofa which I this will excite some people
I'm anxious to see what they have in store for a true couple's camper.
Eager to get my hands on one as well!!
Yeah, like the 19Series w/o a bunk!!!! 😉👍
Excellent. This feels so much more spacious than similar floor plans that have a dinette. So much more open.
It's weird but it totally does! There's something about that sofa that just doesn't feel quite so boxy and in the way
It might be a good idea to round the metal caps that are located at the upper corners of the benches. These appear to be absolute bruisers (literally) especially when exiting the bed. Perhaps making a 90 degree half pipe, or something that looks like a bullnose.
could they option moving the water heater furnace to the outside kitchen? to free up the front storage.
No, they won't move systems like that
A very good start for Ember. I will become very interested if they make a tandem axel 28-33’. I am still researching what I will be hauling behind my F250 Tremor. Right now, the Black and the xPlore have my attention but none of those options quite give me the size and room separation I want. Don’t want a bunkhouse, but a conversion option for a single guest. Hopefully Ember realizes enough success to roadmap plans for different types of tandem axle lengths and options.
I’ll be really interested to see how their offerings evolve over time. They seem to be really driven by consumer feedback which is refreshing
Very nice, love the two sofas. So nice to hear of a company that listens and make changes in the same year. Like the screens and how much sound the windows block out.
Nice meeting you today.
It was really cool meeting you two! Congrats on that new Jayco camper!!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you, now the waiting for slightly warmer weather, I don’t do winter camping.
Tiny nitpick
I noticed the gap on the top of the front storage box. Looks like it will gather leaves. I also am ready for a north south bed and 2 axles for hopefully less tongue weight. Great job as always Josh..
Thanks for mentioning Ember. Love it. Just wish they had a oven stove.
Josh, I feel well treated!!! What a boondocking, off the grid, overlanding dream come true! Ashley Bontrager Lehman is keeping the Bontager family name associated with quality RV's alive! I want one soooo bad!
What impresses me most about this is despite the "industry core" pedigree possessed by the leadership of Ember so much of this is just wildly outside of the box. It's incredible
@@JoshtheRVNerd Fully agree Josh. I am boondock minded and this camper checks all the boxes of my imagination. By the way.......us Hillbilly types would really appreciate those flip up windows for target practice in style and comfort! LoL!!!
@@richardkoch8752 I legit thought about my wife's dad picking off critters from the comfort of his chair when I saw those things lololol :)
@@richardkoch8752 even with the 12V fridge? We dry camp (boondock) a lot and could never have a 12V fridge for two weeks with no power. This was the only drawback I found on this unit as equipped. Needs to be a gas/electric fridge for proper 'off grid' use of more than a couple days.
@@NYVET48TFW Li batteries and the solar panels will take care of that issue. With SOK Brand 200 AH Li's at $1K currently before a 26% tax credit, faster charging (40% faster) can be taken down to 0 charge w/out damage, 28 Lbs for a 100 AH, 50 Lb for a 200 AH battery. It would take 4 lead acid batteries to match the 200 AH Li. Way more efficient fridge that will work in the cold and heat. No open flame or fire hazard. A Li battery would probably be the last battery you would ever have to buy. Battle Born has had batteries go over 5000 charges....that would be charging once a day for 13 plus years. I would think if you boondock you already have a small portable inverter/gen......that would take care of a Li battery in a couple of hrs. With the drop in price of lithium a person can't hardly afford not to have one.
"at H...uh... our location." Oh Uncle Josh! Good quick catch. The new name will come easier with time.
This is a very well thought model. Too many upgrades to mention my favorites.
hhahahaha yeah.. it's going to happen for a while I'm sure
Then in like two years one time I'll flat spit out "Haylett RV" for some reason and not even realize it until someone on video mentions it I'm sure lol :)
Convert The bunk bed space into storage and second living space. With the queen bed it would then be a great two person trailer. Look at the leisure travel fax with the two separate living spaces. Option to have outside kitchen space as storage. Maybe a place to attach a outdoor table and propane fast connect.
They have something like this coming without bunks that sounds like a winner
Definitely, this is my favorite Ember coach too. Top 5 no matter the manufacturer or model.
Agree with your comment about the window shade extending from the bottom up.
The removable ladder that can be hung on two sides is great. Any OSHA or safety code will tell you the inclination is similar to what you did at the end of the video, extending it approx 3Ft over the roof.
Does the hitch is 2"? It seems small and 2in is the most common one.
The outside storage lid straps will rotten with time. What about a rubber-covered metal wire?
What about that black dome? Is that a WiFi ranger with SIM card/satellite internet capability?. A TV-CD combo set will be great too. It is for Overlanding but entertainment for the family makes life a lot easier. Especially when the weather doesn't help.
Can the Max Solar Package be ordered with Lithioninc batteries instead of Battleborns? A Lithionic battery is 305 or 315W vs the Battlebon's 100W.
What about roof rack? Aong all other hundreds of potential uses, I'll personally use it in two ways:
1. I have a big roof cargo box. Like 7ft long. I will store things that I want to keep in the RV at all times but don't use often.
2. The 2nd possibility is that I have a long and heavy fishing kayak. I will use the cargo area for something else and install one of those side load-assist kayak thingies on the roof rack.
Big text. TH-cam makes it hard for me to see and reply to it all at once so apologies if I miss stuff!
Ember only offers battleborns with max solar. Unable to individually request different varieties
Hitch is 2”!
These new Ember's are pretty cool, should have stuck my head in one when I was there.
They're definitely easy on the eyes, but it's really what's under the skin that sets them apart
Josh, I am as excited as you are! Love the 190MDP. It has everything and laid out with the camper in mind. Inside and out… color is perfect. Would love to know more about solar feature on the 190MDP. Only suggestion or add on would be to have a rear camera on the trailer to help back it in to areas if you are traveling solo. All and All
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You aren't wrong to be super excited, this is a great model. Too heavy for my current TV, but dude..... this IS sweet. #trolldoor #bigwindow #mamalike
Nice that there is a 12v fridge. faster to cool, holds temperature better without having to worry about being perfectly level. It also works well with the lithium batteries. Problem is it’s just too heavy right now. Waiting patiently for a smaller one that is about 1000# lighter. Something that competes well with the G19FD.
The Jay Feather version of that 19FD might be the exact fit for you.. now if I could only get my hands one one to record it for you!
Great layout in this model. I agree with you Josh, I like this one better. Lots to love in this floor plan.
Right?! In my head I am like “you shouldn’t feel like that” but.. I do. Maybe it’s the double sofas??
I happy see the hose connection on the door side to wash sand on feet
I also like the rims on the tires-- makes a nice graphic impression similar to a snowflake! Overall, I REALLY like it!
Glad you like them!
At first when I heard real queen bed and two sofas I was so thrilled. But major bummer about the folding mattress. I guess thateans you can only buy your yearly replacement mattress from a camping dealer. Also kind of a bummer it is a sideways sleeping situation. I would find it challenging climbing over the three dachshunds to get out of the bed. Suggestion for future model:. add a couple feet to this floorplan so that a standard, off-the-shelf residential queen mattress and the bed would go north/south. Could be a relationship saver!ll. Really nice bathroom and the under sofa storage could serve as a pantry. Kitchen is decent. I could transport a scooter in the storage space under the bunkhouse I believe, a bonus for us disabled folks!!!
Yeah condensing things down this much really forces things to be later up pretty heavily
I would estimate as the company grows and their offerings expand you will see more options like you’re seeking become available
I’ve got to see these! This one-put the double axles under it and up the cargo capacity, possibly offer 8’ width. 10’4 height huge plus for fuel efficiency and could fit in carports or even some garages. Loose the under sofa storage for some full width in the outside storage (to fit a travel bbq) and option to loose the camp kitchen.
TONS of people requesting a tandem version of this with their removable cargo/bunk/desk system and north/south bed
@@JoshtheRVNerd That would be the ultimate! Having seen the A frame storage area, I’d be more apt to give up pass thru space for the super solar.
This has everything I want! Cargo Capacity is fine! SWEET!
I LOVE that someone got the kitchen right for some of us. I don't want an oven, we do almost all of our cooking outside, so the little setup they have in the Ember is perfect! I would like to see the outside kitchen as an option though. You camp for a long time, you acquire your own gear/setup that you like. We watched the review with the slide out, and I honestly think I like the jack knife sofa option better, at least for our needs. The bunks are fantastic. Love the way they fold up for extra storage.
How much do the bunks hold (weight limit)?
I need to double check but I believe these are 600lb rated. Again -- have to verify that
I really love this floor plan but I don't like an east)west bed you have to climb over someone. Need a north, south bed with room to walk around. Other than that, I love the outdoor kitchen too.
We got to go thru the 191MDB and we were very impressed! So far I like this Floorplan too!
Love these embers, I am not sure how many it can seat on rainy days though. I would love to know what the weight ratings are for the bunks are. Great walk through as usual.
Keep up the great work
Thx for watching, Brian! I Need to verify but I believe those bunks are set for something like 600lbs
I really dig these campers. I have also been looking at the Lectric 2.0 for a beginner electric bike for me and the missus. Maybe I will end up with one of these Ember's and a couple of e-bikes running around. And I will definitely have my kayak/stand up paddle board hybrid slid in from that back door!! I just think they nailed this thing!! The only thing I would like better would be a north/south facing bed but I get the constraints.
I don’t know much about ebikes but I know I like the one I have :)
Looks nice. Can't wait to see the video. Now if only I could get 48,000 of my closest friends to each give me one dollar, I'd come see ya!!
Start that gofundme lol
I need 24000 of my friends for 2 bucks
So I need 98,000 with just 50 cents each!
This is a nice RV. I think of it as more of a 2 person camper. I would use it off the grid and National Forest and park camping. I would like to see a second set of wheels underneath. I am beginning to like no slide outs more and more.
The simplicity is nice. They're actually making a no-bunk version of this as well for a more direct couple's camping experience
They did awesome with this one. Only thing is take out the partition under bed to make it more open. So you can have access from outside and inside. Thanks for sharing Josh👍👍
Which partition exactly, Ted? The left side under the bed (as you're facing is) holds stuff like your Truma Combi water heater/furnace. The Right side is either open for storage if you lift the sofa or it'll be packed with the equipment for the max solar package.
Do you mean the panel that closes off the side of the under-sofa storage as seen from the camp-side baggage door?
@@JoshtheRVNerd the panel by camp-side baggage door.
@@tedcharp Got it. As I started typing it I was like "wait.. I think I answered my own question."
But I figured I typed that much.. might as well finish it LOL :)
But my #1 preference is for a Front kitchen/rear Twin to King bed model. Or Side kitchen, rear twin to king and front dinette that converts? No slides.
Something like this basically? bit.ly/32qSlos
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yep! But the Ember is the GeoPro on steroids. :)
I would like optional camp kitchen so you can use for storage
Thx Roy. What would you pack in there?
@@JoshtheRVNerd If I dont get the Solar power update, I would use it for my Titan Solar Generator
The quality so far looks amazing and the little extras all throughout make this thing stand out. I really hope to see a flagstaff 25brds or Rockwood 2509s version of this company. Things are looking great.
If they make a tandem axle version of the 191MDB, then you might just get your wish!
Thank you, been waiting for this one.
Glad to be of service!!
Does the wind fairing have a drain hole or pitch to it? I wonder if it would hold water or build up an ice dam in winter.
I need to verify but as I recall it’s not like a bucket as it were but more like a wedge
I suck at describing this don’t I? 😆
About the windows, one issue I have is everything on the rig is angular, but the window "eye shadow" is rounded, does not fit that well for me. Also the driver-side bathroom window is missing part of the eyeshadow, and I realize it was done on purpose due to the graphics, but it bugs me that it is different than the other windows. As for the outside kitchen, options are always nice and would give a good amount of outside storage for those who want it, that said, I would prefer the outside kitchen.
Wow I didn’t even notice how the one windows eye shadow was a little different… amazing catch!!
More and more I am looking forward to when they will start coming to Canada. One thing I love is those windows, the design of them, the way they open, and being up in the north I can tell you that thicker windows can be huge when you are dealing with cold nights. Two things I don't like is the weight limits but I understand that there isn't much they can do there, just shows that I think they will really benefit from the second axle. If this is what they can do with one set of wheels, I can't wait for them to show what they can do with two. Second thing is kind of minor, I love those orange lights but having them on a dimmer instead of a switch would make it great for night lights and for use in inclement weather. Fantastic trailer though, really wished I could get my hands on one.
I may not have mentioned it but I believe most of those lights _are_ on a dimmer actually. That's something they did a lot of in these
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh okay, just didn't know if the orange lights specifically were on a dimmer as well. Very cool. Thanks for putting in the time for all of these videos. Super excited for what is coming up as you come into some new series of campers especially Arctic Fox. Thanks for the hard work you do. Catch you on the next one.
@@animefan1008 I know the BIG light above the bed is on a dimmer. I know the bathroom amber light is on a dimmer. I THINK the entry amber light is on a dimmer
Great video. Make the outdoor kitchen an option. I don't need two kitchens, but I do need more storage.
TY sir. I think they're working on something like this!
Is there a manual crank capability for the front jack?
Yeah that's basically a power corner jack moved to the tongue of the RV. There's an override right on the motor if needed
Yes more bunks! So excited!
Excited to see their couples models roll out over the next few months
True off road, true off grid capable.
And True-ly incredible ;)
the JayFeather micros come with a neat roof rack. can you put a roof rack onto this?
I love the Ember and this floor plan is great this is just a bit more trailer I could use.
Did you mean “than I could use?”
@@JoshtheRVNerd 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I could use it, but I'm not sure what to do with it.
Perfect model for Quest family adventures! Seriously, Great trailer. Full queen Murphy bed, OTG everything and I like seeing more non-dinette floor plans like this, good bathroom space too. The suspension is ‘totally rad dude’🤙🏼. Looks like it can handle some bodacious trails 🎒🗺 But payload-wise it’s somewhat flaccid.
Agree. She's a beast, but a little more CCC would be welcome. Thx Johnny :)
That’s impressive for a smaller trailer. How comfortable is the queen “bendy” mattress?
That’s super subjective of course but I don’t hate it. I would still throw a topper on it personally
I have definitely seen worse
Josh perfect!!!! One question...does the 2nd couch fold into a bed? And one simple suggestion that will cost Ember $0... please, please, please have them reverse All the shades so privacy shade comes up from bottom and bug screen down from top...that way you still get circulation but anyone could walk around naked and have privacy!!! Lol...same idea you mentioned with the door...they just need to reverse it!!! Easy peasie!!
Yep! The sofa against the sidewall definitely folds down! (I thought I got footage of that for you actually..)
So basically roll it over flip it and reverse it
Exactly!!!
I despise the dinette and the bed that takes over the whole bedroom. So I took my dinette out, made that my aviary (I have a couple parrots), and I cut my bed down in my draped bedroom area and made a nice "day bed" so that I also have my computer desk. I mean if I sell my Jayco, I can easily rebuild the bed if they want it, but there is so many things in the "classic" layout that I wish they would update to be more modern. The Ember is a good step forward so far. Though I will never without a slide out again.
Maybe try this one to gain the slide perhaps? bit.ly/3DXLKzt
NOTE: You can swaption a sofa instead of the dinette that you dislike btw
I’m waiting for a dual axle version. THAT will get me buying!!
You and a LOT of people!!
Is there a limitation on how thick of a mattress you can put in there? I have a bad back so i pretty much have to have a nice memory foam mattress.
Look up ' froli star sleep system '
I don't know exactly where the line would be. One thing to remember is this does have a mattress that folds. So a traditional 1-pc mattress could be a problem. I'd likely still add at least a nice topper to it I could roll up when putting the bed away
if you just wanted to leave the bed "down" all the time, then you could put nearly any queen on it you wanted
Do they make their own under carriage frame?What is the gauge of the steel? The windows are acrylic?
Their chassis is made out of the plant that make airstream frames so not in-house
I believe windows are acrylic yeah
If you're NOT a fan of having bunkbeds,you can use that area for storage space😊
This one is good for that as well bit.ly/3LzHide
Would you recommend having 2 bed latches? Just wondering what'll happen if the bed were to lower accidentally.
I don't dislike the dual latch idea. It's all so new I don't have a great feel for how likely an unintended drop is though
Any chance they could make those flip-up cabinet doors open wider? I like to use the basket packing method and accessing the contents of those flip-up cabinets looks like it would get irriating.
It looks like the outside fridge is built in how hard would it be to replace it if it wasn’t working
Just a few brackets hold it down
No optional outside kitchen I really like the new kitchen inside, Also, I am in no need of bunk beds. I would rather have the extra space. Great review Josh!
Thanks for sharing! Glad to have you with us :)
What's your favorite RV you've seen so far?
@@JoshtheRVNerd The 190MDB. It looks great. I love the tuff suspension and underpinnings, thoughtful design as well as full a queen!
Much better than the first. The tv should be attached to the door of the cabinet that lift up Love it 💖🙌
What makes this one so much better in your eyes?
I’d love to see more teardrop with outdoor kitchen reviews. Or short (15-18 foot trailers) with external kitchens
Noted!
Any chance of Ember doing a floor plan with twin beds?
I hope so, but I haven't seen plans for one yet. Storage in those is always tricky
@@JoshtheRVNerd I’m not sold on any yet because of the storage and the carry capacity for how heavy it is, 1000 is low. I wouldn’t get one with a foldable mattress either but that’s just personal preference. I really love the look and quality of the Ember but also quite a heavy tongue weight which is another concern.
I love this trailer, if they got rid of the bunks and outside kitchen, so I could personalize the "garage" area, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I'm looking for a long/ full-time trailer and this would kill it
Keep an eye on ember. I think they’re working on some things that might work for you!
Ladder safety. Use a 1:4 ratio, keep the base 25% as far from the base as the height. And yes, run the ladder over the roof floor.
You covered it, good for you, but dang!!
This is a great trailer the floor plan is great and a small generator and out in the world you go I love the outside kitchen it should be all standard live the angled eye windows
Thanks so much!
Wait.. is your name really Santa?!
We give the inside 👍, would be a two thumber except for that Murphy bed. We give the outside 👍👍. I read the comments about the pricing, you were talking about the ladder, it “Should be” standard. I know this one American made, but the Black Series made in Australia (I think I have it correct), so far has them beat. Yes it’s Pricier. I know that materials are hard to come buy, but Ember (which I know is a new start up) needs to step it UP before they miss a step on the ladder rung. Josh👍👍👍👍👍, thanks for the good, bad & ugly. Stay warm, keep’m coming, have a blessed day today and God Bless
Thx James! Appreciate the feedback :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd 👍
Who makes that ladder??? Thanx!
There are several makers. That one comes from LCI specifically
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanx! I just bought a Telesteps 16EP.
I like it. Move the battery cut-off higher to protect it from shifting cargo.
I like to Hight rate amp Cut -off battery switch
I like that idea. TY