That actually makes a lot of sense as to why the humans stood a chance when they rebelled against the isu. Different casts of the isu were already distracted by their internal conflict while all the humans at the time seemed to share the common goal of liberation. Never sounded plausible to me that despite all what we’ve been told about the isu, the humans could just turn on them without losing, regardless of their numbers. Great video👏
We hope it too! When we saw the huge and cohesive narrative work dedicated to the game and how meaningful it can be for every kind of fan, we couldn't stop ourselves from actually delving deep into all of this! It'll take us a LONG time but we'll make it!
@@byksEBM Uhm no, the game doesn't mention that :D We might have thought of that... or we might have been influenced by a comment by Darby McDevitt in our interview. We will never know for sure, that's a mystery lost in time...
I think that loki's sons are hybrids (isu and human), so Odin see them like "animal" because he doesn't consider they as equals, but like inferiors, or something like that... I'm enjoying this videos of indepth story analysis, good work!
@@thegreyjedi2372 if you do the anomalies, it’s stated Loki already has a wife and Alethia is his mistress, so he could have been with a human and she had his children. Neither Jotun nor Aesir want to protect the children, so clearly Alethia being their mother would make no sense...
Calling it right now, Adam and possibly Eve are Loki’s children, as they perfectly fit the persona of being “the bringer of Ragnarok and death of Odin” as they lead the human revolution to overthrow the ISU and Fenrir/Adam is the one able to not be controlled and kept from killing the High One! As such, Adam was imprisoned as a means to keep that from happening, but it was Eve (as seen from AC2’s Truth video) that was able to free him by the use of an AoE and the rest is history...plus, we now have Desmond and Layla together in the Gray...Adam and Eve’s bloodline and able to be “brought back to life” by Loki, perhaps?? All makes sense
One thing that we can 100% get from this is that dwarfs never get a break in any sort of lore skyrimg ,AC, Lord of rings they never get a break for real hahah
Same, with this game it was cool because it is shocking, especially for hardcore fans, when you understand that what you are seeing actually clicks with past lore. But seeing this happening in a few games... not sure how fans would react to that, without seeing the actual First Civ locations and events
It seemed like a inside joke until I saw these videos (I didn’t complete the anamolies) but it’s funny how when we first meet Halfdan he tosses his hammer away to kill two Picts and then sticks his hand out and the hammer flies back to him (tossed by someone off screen obviously) but it was a funny nod to him being Thor.
This is actually pretty interesting. I think that perhaps the war between the Aesir and Graeco-Roman Isu could very well be the War of Unification the Isu waged years ago? We have no idea how long they actually lived for (save 100 years at least, since Minerva and Jupiter at least surivived to the end of a hundred years after the Toba Catasrtophe). I think that perhaps the Well of Urdr could very well be the Yggdrasil Vault in Norway since it was being used by the Reader and Layla (who could very well end up being called 'the Author' since she's got a bit more imagination) to attempt to end the incoming node.
I thought it *could* be the War of Unification too, but the timeline doesn't seem to check out. The War of Unification took place prior to the year 1923 Isu Era (as per Syndicate) and in the Jotunheim arc we meet Hyrrokin who is actually Juno - who was born in the year 2195 Isu Era. So, unless the war lasted almost 300 years (and / or that Odin lived for as many years), it's kind of unlikely that *that* was the War of Unification Which is why I did not mention it in the video ^^ - Markuz
@@AccessAnimus That's fair - although it's interesting to see that even after the Unification took place, they're still fighting one another. You'd think with having humans to worry about they'd be more concerned with crushing them than each other
i would like to see a video about who Odin's council reincarnated into, we know of Eivor(Odin) Sigurd(Tyr) Basim(Loki), and Svala as Freya. Edit: Halfdan Ragnarsson(Thor)
Could you share where you got the Halfdan info? This is my first time seeing him labeled as the reincarnation of Thor. I do see the similarities but is there any concrete proof? Very interesting stuff
@@jflamen its on the official Assassins Creed wiki for the character, itneresting info about Rig thought, i will have to take a closer look in to those pages
Halfdan: You have my friendship and army as your allies to call upon. Eivor:Thanks Later on in Hamtuncire Eivor:Son of bitch Halfdan lying piece of shit not heeding my call.
I really appreciate your channel and all you do, you should have a hell of alot more subscribers. Always love your content and I really hope you don't stop, cheers.
i Interpreted it as "the Jotunarr" were the ISU, they are taller than mankind, Aesir = the humans with ISU blood mixed, and then Vanir = pure human. the ISU keep the humans as slaves as we know the ISU did, and are in a war with the Aesir (as the pieces of Eden had no control over them) which is also why the Aesir see the Vanir as lessers. the Reason Lokis children are hated, is because its a mix of "human/isu blood and pure isu blood" which probably made them a totally new kind of hybrid. Probably way off, but thats how i see it.
Quick rebuttal: Loki was seen by the Aesir as a Jotun, according to the legend. A bit small, but a Jotun. Wouldn’t that also translate into the Isu myths? A Jotun Isu brought up among the Aesir Isu? That’s a thought experiment I’ll play with.
I like the idea of Eivor interpreting the isu as the nordic gods but I hate the combat and boss fight sections, that was to much and uneeded. Still thought the concept and story was cool.
Indeed! The concept of this layered story is very interesting! We wonder if it's a thing that can last in future games though - would fans be ok with never having the actual events shown to them directly? Would they be ok just seeing a myth-icized version of the events?
@@AccessAnimus if you ask me I absolutely loved how these things were portrayed as it showed that there are no superhuman godly thing and that there is a reason for everything that happened like it was real. Eivor sees it as gods and magic because to humans those things are fiction while the released video after anomalies shows the actual event showing how humans portray real events as magical. I can’t find the words to exactly say it but I hope you get what I mean
@@TheFirstAtom you mean in the scene you escape Valhalla? Eivor’s default look is supposed to be symbolic. As Odin claims everything you’ve gained has been through him, Eivor let’s go of everything, even his beliefs. At least that’s my interpretation of it
Well, now Loki has to find their children, so somehow they must be lying dormant or have to be brought back to life. Then Loki might possibly try to give back Aletheia her body or... *a* body :D
I am really thinking that the beverage from valka is more than simple mushrooms... Could it be some kind of chemical animus that just amplified the ISU consciousness inside the human?
Are the Atlantis Isu faction supposed to be the Greco Roman Isu? That's what I'm confused about, how does the events from the Atlantis DLC make sense with the Asgard arc. Can we even trust the simulation in the Atlantis DLC since Alethea has clearly been working with Loki since the events of assassin's Creed oddysey.
This is where it gets tricky and it's also one of the reasons why I didn't like Odyssey. The Atlantis simulations are handcrafted and curated by Aletheia, with some parts based on her memories, but it's never stated which parts were """real""" and which were deliberately added by Aletheia herself. This ambiguity is also referenced by Layla in Valhalla, so I guess she didn't like Odyssey as well... In general it's not clear if the Isu shown in the Atlantis simulations are their own factions or not. From the documents it feels like Atlantis was a city and a population of its own, and there's even a file in there that says that at some point there have been some tension between Eden and Atlantis (making the Atlanteans and the Greco-Roman Isu two different factions). Still, we don't know if such documents were part of the genetic memory or of the handcrafted part of the simulations so... Plus, of course, you make a very good point in saying that those simulations might have been modified to fit Aletheia's and Loki's purposes, so even less motivations to actually take them into consideration
@@AccessAnimus I actually enjoyed the addition to the lore that the Atlantis DLC brought. But I can't help but feeling that Valhalla is choosing to ignore the events presented by the dlc. That's why I think it's just easier to assume Aletheas simulations are unreliable as historical representations of the Isu time period. But perhaps this will all be tied together in the future. I just find it difficult to comprehend that Aletheas simulation didn't even hint to her situation with Loki. Perhaps another playthrough of the Atlantis DLC will reveal hints to the events detailed in the Asgard arc
The builder kind of gave me Leonardo da Vinci vibes, it could just the beard but maybe they are connected some how, especially since the builder used paint to make the shield spell.
I would rather have had the ISU version of the lore play out, or have like snippets/overlays or animus glitch of what it really looked like as opposed to the mythological version we got
Awesome video and analysis! As much of a shitshow as AC Odyssey made of the lore, AC Valhalla is making an equally strong effort in the right direction to correct it. This game is so great.
Sorry was playing Valhalla...but lemme ask you this...are you gonna go deeper with rigs saga? I felt it was weird that this random saga was part of the collectables. It had to be of some more significance!
We are planning to mention the Risogur at some point, yes! Not a full video dedicated to it, but at least a brief discussion of what it is about and the relevant info coming out of it!
Digging through the wikis and sources online can be tedious at times, I know there were 6 methods then the 7th being the ressurective one. What are all the 6 methods used, you mention two of them but... Im drawing a blank
Why in the analysis of Jotunheim, in the Asgardian war Isu references him to the time of Greco Roman Isu? That part is not clear to me. Since mythology refers to the Isu era, I do not quite understand what the Greco-Roman era has to do with it. Sorry I had a hole in my head. Could you clarify for me?
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That actually makes a lot of sense as to why the humans stood a chance when they rebelled against the isu. Different casts of the isu were already distracted by their internal conflict while all the humans at the time seemed to share the common goal of liberation. Never sounded plausible to me that despite all what we’ve been told about the isu, the humans could just turn on them without losing, regardless of their numbers. Great video👏
I am so glad to see someone looking deep into this - I hope this proves to all AC fans how interesting the underlying Isu story is in AC Valhalla.
We hope it too!
When we saw the huge and cohesive narrative work dedicated to the game and how meaningful it can be for every kind of fan, we couldn't stop ourselves from actually delving deep into all of this!
It'll take us a LONG time but we'll make it!
This game continues to blow my mind
in a good way
And we're happy to show and explain these mind-blowing moments!
@@AccessAnimus One question you say "mythological veil" - I understand what it is but I must ask is it said in the game? It's a really clever phrase
@@byksEBM Uhm no, the game doesn't mention that :D
We might have thought of that... or we might have been influenced by a comment by Darby McDevitt in our interview. We will never know for sure, that's a mystery lost in time...
@@AccessAnimus Thank you! lol
I think that loki's sons are hybrids (isu and human), so Odin see them like "animal" because he doesn't consider they as equals, but like inferiors, or something like that...
I'm enjoying this videos of indepth story analysis, good work!
We do agree to some extent! We're going to touch upon that in our next video!
@@AccessAnimus But there’s a problem with that theory. Alethia and Loki are both Isu. How could their children be hybrids?
@@thegreyjedi2372 if you do the anomalies, it’s stated Loki already has a wife and Alethia is his mistress, so he could have been with a human and she had his children. Neither Jotun nor Aesir want to protect the children, so clearly Alethia being their mother would make no sense...
Calling it right now, Adam and possibly Eve are Loki’s children, as they perfectly fit the persona of being “the bringer of Ragnarok and death of Odin” as they lead the human revolution to overthrow the ISU and Fenrir/Adam is the one able to not be controlled and kept from killing the High One! As such, Adam was imprisoned as a means to keep that from happening, but it was Eve (as seen from AC2’s Truth video) that was able to free him by the use of an AoE and the rest is history...plus, we now have Desmond and Layla together in the Gray...Adam and Eve’s bloodline and able to be “brought back to life” by Loki, perhaps??
All makes sense
@@collegebro85 I did do the anomalies, but I don’t recall him having a girl except for Alethia. Which one was that?
One thing that we can 100% get from this is that dwarfs never get a break in any sort of lore skyrimg ,AC, Lord of rings they never get a break for real hahah
I just would like to see the Isu realms as they were.
That would slightly ruin all of the mystery clouded around their civilization, which is what makes them so interesting
Same, with this game it was cool because it is shocking, especially for hardcore fans, when you understand that what you are seeing actually clicks with past lore.
But seeing this happening in a few games... not sure how fans would react to that, without seeing the actual First Civ locations and events
I think we kind of got some of that in the AC Odyssey dlc
Given the ending to Valhalla I feel an isu era heavy game is more a possibility than ever
I agree...seeing Isu in secret Valhala bonus scene was sth to look forward for I guess
I like how the Greek and Roman isu are shown as jotnar In eivors mind
Your channel is one of the few, that mixes the main audio and the background music quite gracefully. Please convey my best regards to your editor.
Oh wow, thanks man!
I was actually worried the sound mix wasn't that good :P
Thank you so much!
- Markuz
It seemed like a inside joke until I saw these videos (I didn’t complete the anamolies) but it’s funny how when we first meet Halfdan he tosses his hammer away to kill two Picts and then sticks his hand out and the hammer flies back to him (tossed by someone off screen obviously) but it was a funny nod to him being Thor.
This is actually pretty interesting. I think that perhaps the war between the Aesir and Graeco-Roman Isu could very well be the War of Unification the Isu waged years ago? We have no idea how long they actually lived for (save 100 years at least, since Minerva and Jupiter at least surivived to the end of a hundred years after the Toba Catasrtophe). I think that perhaps the Well of Urdr could very well be the Yggdrasil Vault in Norway since it was being used by the Reader and Layla (who could very well end up being called 'the Author' since she's got a bit more imagination) to attempt to end the incoming node.
I thought it *could* be the War of Unification too, but the timeline doesn't seem to check out.
The War of Unification took place prior to the year 1923 Isu Era (as per Syndicate) and in the Jotunheim arc we meet Hyrrokin who is actually Juno - who was born in the year 2195 Isu Era.
So, unless the war lasted almost 300 years (and / or that Odin lived for as many years), it's kind of unlikely that *that* was the War of Unification
Which is why I did not mention it in the video ^^
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus That's fair - although it's interesting to see that even after the Unification took place, they're still fighting one another. You'd think with having humans to worry about they'd be more concerned with crushing them than each other
i would like to see a video about who Odin's council reincarnated into, we know of Eivor(Odin) Sigurd(Tyr) Basim(Loki), and Svala as Freya. Edit: Halfdan Ragnarsson(Thor)
Could you share where you got the Halfdan info? This is my first time seeing him labeled as the reincarnation of Thor. I do see the similarities but is there any concrete proof? Very interesting stuff
Oh also Rig from Rigsogur was the reincarnation of Heimdall
@@jflamen its on the official Assassins Creed wiki for the character, itneresting info about Rig thought, i will have to take a closer look in to those pages
@@Shadowpack95 pay close attention to the description of the man that killed Rig
Halfdan: You have my friendship and army as your allies to call upon.
Eivor:Thanks
Later on in Hamtuncire
Eivor:Son of bitch Halfdan lying piece of shit not heeding my call.
Honestly, the Isu lore in Valhalla is amazing.
Finally, I like these explanations.
Yeah me too!
Ha! We're so happy you enjoy them! We're pouring everything we have in them!
Blood, sweat, tears and a sprinkle of Italian accent :P
@@AccessAnimus and I appreciate that all
Finally. Been waiting for this second part.
It's out! IT'S OUT!
I really appreciate your channel and all you do, you should have a hell of alot more subscribers. Always love your content and I really hope you don't stop, cheers.
Ahhh thank you so much, we really appreciate it! Maybe one day we'll have them :D
And of course we won't stop!
i Interpreted it as "the Jotunarr" were the ISU, they are taller than mankind, Aesir = the humans with ISU blood mixed, and then Vanir = pure human. the ISU keep the humans as slaves as we know the ISU did, and are in a war with the Aesir (as the pieces of Eden had no control over them) which is also why the Aesir see the Vanir as lessers. the Reason Lokis children are hated, is because its a mix of "human/isu blood and pure isu blood" which probably made them a totally new kind of hybrid. Probably way off, but thats how i see it.
Can’t wait for the next one. 👍🏻
Maybe builder is somehow connected with egyptian temples from origin? We did not see any isu then only simulations of animus
They were all isu tombs
Quick rebuttal: Loki was seen by the Aesir as a Jotun, according to the legend. A bit small, but a Jotun. Wouldn’t that also translate into the Isu myths? A Jotun Isu brought up among the Aesir Isu? That’s a thought experiment I’ll play with.
This deserves more views 👍
Thank you so much!
My Jotnar = Greco-Roman Isu theory is provenn 😂
How very interesting. I need to remember this when I finally get around to doing this story arc.
Hahah, we're happy we could help!
I like the idea of Eivor interpreting the isu as the nordic gods but I hate the combat and boss fight sections, that was to much and uneeded. Still thought the concept and story was cool.
Indeed! The concept of this layered story is very interesting!
We wonder if it's a thing that can last in future games though - would fans be ok with never having the actual events shown to them directly? Would they be ok just seeing a myth-icized version of the events?
@@AccessAnimus if you ask me I absolutely loved how these things were portrayed as it showed that there are no superhuman godly thing and that there is a reason for everything that happened like it was real. Eivor sees it as gods and magic because to humans those things are fiction while the released video after anomalies shows the actual event showing how humans portray real events as magical. I can’t find the words to exactly say it but I hope you get what I mean
I didn't finish the Asgardian arch before finishing the game. It's funny to play the "isu memory" as Basim/Loki
How come Odin has his beard in "The truth" but not in Eivor's vision ?
PS : Great videos
Bugged the hell out of me how it reverts him back to his default look.. what’s the point of customizing if it changes for certain scenes? :(
You can say that’s just how Eivor imagined Odin
@@TheFirstAtom you mean in the scene you escape Valhalla? Eivor’s default look is supposed to be symbolic.
As Odin claims everything you’ve gained has been through him, Eivor let’s go of everything, even his beliefs. At least that’s my interpretation of it
Isu Odin's real name is Sukkurban (AC Odyssey Heir of memories )
@access the animus - what do you think Loki and Aletheia's plan is that's teased at the end of the story? 🤔☺️ I wanna know so badly! 🤯😬
Well, now Loki has to find their children, so somehow they must be lying dormant or have to be brought back to life. Then Loki might possibly try to give back Aletheia her body or... *a* body :D
Can you explain the whole femir consume Odin in term of Isu? Like how would Odin predict Fenrir kill him?
It was about time we got another good old amazing mind blowing ending for an AC game.
I've just realised that this story arc is currently the earliest point in time in the Assassin's creed timeline...
Loving the vids. Keep it up! :)
Glad you like them!
Genious intrepertation, makes a lot of sense!
I am really thinking that the beverage from valka is more than simple mushrooms... Could it be some kind of chemical animus that just amplified the ISU consciousness inside the human?
Are the Atlantis Isu faction supposed to be the Greco Roman Isu? That's what I'm confused about, how does the events from the Atlantis DLC make sense with the Asgard arc. Can we even trust the simulation in the Atlantis DLC since Alethea has clearly been working with Loki since the events of assassin's Creed oddysey.
This is where it gets tricky and it's also one of the reasons why I didn't like Odyssey.
The Atlantis simulations are handcrafted and curated by Aletheia, with some parts based on her memories, but it's never stated which parts were """real""" and which were deliberately added by Aletheia herself.
This ambiguity is also referenced by Layla in Valhalla, so I guess she didn't like Odyssey as well...
In general it's not clear if the Isu shown in the Atlantis simulations are their own factions or not. From the documents it feels like Atlantis was a city and a population of its own, and there's even a file in there that says that at some point there have been some tension between Eden and Atlantis (making the Atlanteans and the Greco-Roman Isu two different factions). Still, we don't know if such documents were part of the genetic memory or of the handcrafted part of the simulations so...
Plus, of course, you make a very good point in saying that those simulations might have been modified to fit Aletheia's and Loki's purposes, so even less motivations to actually take them into consideration
@@AccessAnimus I actually enjoyed the addition to the lore that the Atlantis DLC brought. But I can't help but feeling that Valhalla is choosing to ignore the events presented by the dlc. That's why I think it's just easier to assume Aletheas simulations are unreliable as historical representations of the Isu time period. But perhaps this will all be tied together in the future. I just find it difficult to comprehend that Aletheas simulation didn't even hint to her situation with Loki. Perhaps another playthrough of the Atlantis DLC will reveal hints to the events detailed in the Asgard arc
@@AccessAnimus I think the ambiguity referenced by layla is like a message from Montreal accepting and saying odyssey wasn’t good xD
The builder kind of gave me Leonardo da Vinci vibes, it could just the beard but maybe they are connected some how, especially since the builder used paint to make the shield spell.
No they are not
The builder was just a disguise or well his appearance
You make great analysis! Why dont you try doing the same for previous assassins creeds?
I would rather have had the ISU version of the lore play out, or have like snippets/overlays or animus glitch of what it really looked like as opposed to the mythological version we got
I couldn't agree more.
Thank You for your analysis.
Awesome video and analysis!
As much of a shitshow as AC Odyssey made of the lore, AC Valhalla is making an equally strong effort in the right direction to correct it. This game is so great.
I love your videos! Keep it up Access the Animus!
Thank you so much!!
So...the Greco-Roman faction and the Aesir faction were busy fighting each other, whilst also fighting the Humans?
Sorry was playing Valhalla...but lemme ask you this...are you gonna go deeper with rigs saga? I felt it was weird that this random saga was part of the collectables. It had to be of some more significance!
We are planning to mention the Risogur at some point, yes! Not a full video dedicated to it, but at least a brief discussion of what it is about and the relevant info coming out of it!
Digging through the wikis and sources online can be tedious at times, I know there were 6 methods then the 7th being the ressurective one. What are all the 6 methods used, you mention two of them but... Im drawing a blank
In suttungrs vault there are six stones and the mead, on these six stones are depiction and descriptions of each method of salvation
Why in the analysis of Jotunheim, in the Asgardian war Isu references him to the time of Greco Roman Isu? That part is not clear to me. Since mythology refers to the Isu era, I do not quite understand what the Greco-Roman era has to do with it. Sorry I had a hole in my head. Could you clarify for me?
Is Greco meant to be Greek?
@@jerryying6471 Yes
Great movie!
oh shit the graphics actually did get better over 2 years from the same game
7:22 “Jotnar are the Greco Roman side of the ISU” what?
Ciao ragazzi non sapevo che alcuni di vuoi parlavano pure l'italiano.Essendo che pure io posso parlare sia l'italiano e l'inglese ho pensato di lasciare questo commento in italiano per dirvi che mi sta piacendo molto nel dettaglio che andate con i vostri video!
Ciao Madrag! Si, metà di noi è italiana e *poi* parla inglese :P
Però il nostro pubblico qui è praticamente solo inglese quindi diciamo che spingiamo anche nella loro direzione ^^
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Love it!
Pretty sure the dwarf we meet are one of Poseidon’s sons
11:26
What is the name of this track please?
Dont you want to start adding substitles in english please?
Is Mimir possible the Reader? Or is he an isu
The reader is desmond miles
@@swordinhand8356 ah ok....I've only played since origins and only recently started down the AC rabbit hole
Now if Ubisoft can just fix all the bugs so I can fucking just play this game in its entirety…
It’s not really hidden tho is it