Its more in reference to their empire and how massive it was, along with their military might. By Eivors time the ruins would have been a sight to see as there wasnt construction of the Roman scale until well after Eivors time.
@@yugitrump435 yeah that's kinda what he was getting out, I believe. Good representation.. The jotunn where Greco Roman.. And viewed in Evior's perspective of understanding
@@raj0288 The next video in our series will be dedicated to the Jotunheim Arc! As there's *so much* to analyze in there we might need more than one video :P But we'll make sure to touch upon the Creation files as well!
Wait, so the technology Odin obtained from Ivaldi to imprison Fenrir could be one that separates his consciousness from his body. Kind of like how Jupiter and Minerva imprisoned Juno in the grand temple. So Fenrir’s consciousness is probably locked beyond the walls of another temple and requires someone to touch an eye to release it (like how Desmond touched the eye to release Juno in AC3). All Basim would need to do then to save his son is find that temple and set Fenrir free and into the gray. That would make for a really interesting plot line.
I also believe Aletheia is actually a hybrid Isu/human. There were already some indications in the Atlantis DLC (which could be conisdered Aletheia's memories) and we have some in Valhalla as well. For example, when pretending to be Freya to trick the builder, the builder can comment on his voice, to which Loki says something like "I am told it [his voice] has a seductive quality" and Thor replies "by a wolf". If this refers to Aletheia being a "wolf", then that would explain the "wolf traits" of Fenrir as him also being partly human (through his mother). So maybe the allegory is that Isu/human hybrids are (hybrid) "monsters". It is likely they were seen as such by some Isu and discriminated for it, much like "mudbloods" vs pure wizards in Harry Potter. Havi would then ban all hybrids ("wolfs") to counter the prophecy/calculations. Btw, in Valhalla Loki is considered half Jotun (mentioned in the codex).
Honestly, Valhalla was first ac game I played (i played black flag for half an hour before, didn't like it that much) Later I played origins and finally odissay and then came back for black flag and boy am I loving the whole isu stuff.. I plan to play other ac games but when I have enough time, since I am really busy rn.
Definitely in a great way!! Thank you for breaking them down!! Love mythology, especially Greek and Norse mythology, that’s my SSSSSHIIIIIIIIT!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙏🏼💙💯
I wonder if the binding/Isu jail is perhaps a cryogenics chamber of sorts - it would keep Fenrir alive but also keep him imprisoned; as for what his potential 'mark' being I've not sure - perhaps his son was an agent or sympathizer of humans for the war and agreed to kill Odin for them since it'd be a huge victory, like the assassination of Saturn. Ivaldi mentioning the testing of the Mead and hugr into a goat - I wonder if perhaps he is a relative of Juno? Since he's a blacksmith he could perhaps be Hepahestus since he made the 'Weapons of Eden' and may have owed Odin a huge favor for something, resulting in his servitude to the Aesir for an unknown amount of time. I also don't know if you know this but in the Hidden Truth video, the Isu that Loki killed - that was Heimdall.
I have a question - Juno said "Desmond is WITH ME within the Grey." We met Desmond in this game. Basim speaks of him. Does Basim (Loki) and Juno met in the Grey? She helped Odin long time ago, so I wonder if she and Basim liked each other it not...
That's an interesting question :D So, in the years from 2012 until 2018 Juno, after she was freed from the Grand Temple, Juno might have actually had some interactions with Basim / Loki within the Grey / Yggdrasil device. Judging by the Anomalies files, I'd say Loki wouldn't be a fan of Juno because she helped Odin and at the same time didn't help him when she was holding the Mother of Wisdom title...
We know from Odyssey that Aletheia waited this long because of Juno. And with Juno gone she could finally act, so I guess Basim isn't a fan of her either. Also Darby McDevitt mentioned that Juno might have lied about Desmond being in the Grey, but given Valhalla's ending it's actually true.
@@paweonisk6377 I think Juno’s probably lucky she was defeated a different way because if she found out Loki was back and wanting blood...it wouldn’t be pretty. And I just thought of something, would Aletheia and Loki’s lust for vengeance also include attacking Aita’s reincarnation? If so then to quote Scooby-Doo, ruroh!
This is really only a theory, but something that could explain the ambiguities around Fenrir and Odin’s actions is if you expand the definition of “children” beyond biological to technological: i.e. Loki and Alethia’s offspring could be fully autonomous artificial intelligences. It isn’t hard to imagine a society defining AIs as “monsters” out of a fear of losing control of them (there are plenty of examples of that fear in our own culture), and banning their creation. It would also explain explain Odin’s fear of ALL “wolves” (AIs) not just Loki’s one specifically, and how they’re not immediately recognizable but need to be hunted. It might also explain Fenrir’s role in Ragnarok as him being able to affect Isu technology on a worldwide scale, rendering them more defenseless against the Toba Catastrophe. If the divisions we’re seeing are caste-based rather than geographical it might be fair to assume based on what we’ve seen that the Greco-Roman/Jotnar Isu are the scientists and in a technologically advanced society they might be the ruling class. Norse culture’s emphasis on warrior qualities could hint at the Aesir being the Isu’s military caste, and lacking the status given to those who researched and created knowledge. Loki is stated in the codex to have been the son of a Jotun so in this context would have been the child of a scientifically accomplished family who (for whatever reason) decided to join/marry into the military. He then encounters and begins an affair with Alethia, a woman from his former caste, and with their shared scientific background they successfully programmed artificial intelligences. In this possible explanation of the allegory, the dwarven caste who are obviously physical makers of things could well be the technicians who build and maintain the Isu’s technology, which would fit and make the cord and Fenrir’s jail pieces of hardware designed to trap and hold the AI software (like an air-gapped server). Like I say it’s only a theory, but I think it does give a logical explanation for a lot of the things that don’t quite make sense yet.
HOLY SHIT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS THEORY. Hope Darby does a Q&A soon, it'd be interesting to show him this theory and ask him about the nature of the "real" Fenrir.
I think it’s interesting when you remove the veil of Norse mythology. It helps you understand why Loki referred to Odin as the mad one. that Loki’s son wasn’t an actual “wolf”. And Odin imprisoned his son because of the “calculations” of his son killing him during the toba catastrophe. And also Loki is half aesir half Greco Roman isu. so intriguing, I love the lore of this game.
Couldn't it be possible that wolves, and by extension Fenrir, represent humans? Also explaining why it is so "shameful" for Loki to father this "beast". He and Aletheia may have adopted a human and considered him a true son. It's even possible that Fenrir may have been Adam. Who after escaping with Eve and starting the human rebellions, was captured by Odin, but Loki convinced him that he should be kept alive as leverage, though in reality it was because he cared about him. Could be interesting if Jörmungandr, or whoever came to be known as such, was also the "snake"/being who "tempted" Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. (or, in AC lore, led them to the key to their freedom?) Could be interesting to find out Loki was involved in that.
I don't understand one thing. Time and again it has been mentioned that isu had the ability to "sense" time in a way that humans could not. This was highlighted in a way that they had this capability in a biological or at least consciousness level. But all evidence we have seen is them being exactly like humans except they are technologically more advanced. All this sensing of time is achieved through technology itself. So what am I missing here? If anything, isu made humans in such a way that controlling them would be easier. That is the only difference I can see (and the height of course). Great Video btw. This and your site are my go to source for anything AC.
Ha! Yeah, we're trying our best to streamline and re-introduce concepts for new fans as well, but videos are getting extremely long as is already, we're doing our best to balance that! It's going to be super tricky once we go to Jotunheim :P
I can only imagine 😥 btw 1 question do you think we will still play as basim in the next game or will we play as someone else possibly desmonds son with basim/loki as the new villain after juno?
@@giovanni8199 I guess that really depends on the main Ireland and Paris DLCs for the game. If those feature modern day, we'll probably play them as Basim and based on how they end, we'll probably have a better idea whether we'll play as him. The thing is, Basim / Loki isn't necessarily and only a bad guy per se - Odin behaved "villanously" most of the time during the Asgard and especially the Jotunheim arc, so Loki's behaviour can also be considered as a reaction to all that. All in all, Basim's character is so complex that it may work both as a main character (the father that survived time in order to save his children) and as a villain (the selfish Isu who killed Odin's son and Heimdall in order to survive and have his revenge on Odin)
Man, you still remember and understand all this lore? I play this game since 1,2, skip revelation and brotherhood but still know about juno and his husband, play the third and black flag. I play all of those but after unity and syndicate, i really forget all of this lore. You great man
So... Isu had many different groups. Greek/Roman Gods , Asgardian Gods for example. Loki was a Greek/Roman Isu that was living among Asgardian Isu. The ice giants in the Asgard arc were an interpretation of Greek/Roman Isu which were in war with the Asgardian Isu for unknown reasons. Loki had a child with another Greek/Roman Isu (Alithea) , the child was Fenrir. Why this child(Fenrir) is a threat? What does this child have to do with the catastrophe? Greek/Roman Isu invented the 7th method? Why they were at war?
I might be wrong , but The answer to why the Isus' were at war was because the asgardian isu stole the 7th method of salvation that the greco-roman isu had. Depicted in the jotunheim arc of valhalla.
1. Only Odin thinks Fenrir is a threat because he will be the one to kill him during Ragnarok (the great catastrophe from Revelations. 2. Pretty much answered it in number one 3. The seventh method was invented specifically for Odin and his trusted 8 as a means to survive the catastrophe. Not sure who came up with the seventh method tho. 4. The Greco-Roman Isu and The Norse Isu are at war. That’s it. No explanation why because the game never tells us why. Edit: actually for number 3 I think Juno/Hyorikkin made it for Odin. There’s a scene where she gives him the mead/serum during the Jotunheim arc.
I'd have to disagree with the two factions being at war *because* of the Seventh Method because the battle at the Bifrost and the other incursions by the Jotnar in Asgard happen before Odin even gets to know about "hugr magic" (which is the conscience transfer branch of the Greco-Roman methods of salvation), let alone of the existence of the Mead / Seventh. I'd go with more traditional reasons like conquest or difference of opinion etc. And in general I'd say that the war sequences appear in order to show that even the Isu could go at war against each other (although we knew that already from Syndicate)
@@gedemartha9534 There's a modern day audio file where the Isu Consus (from within the Shroud) mentions the so-called War of Unification that took place roughly 300 hundred years before Juno's birth and was fought between different factions of the Isu. Tools like the Swords and Shrouds of Eden were created during that war to respectively dominate / end the war and to treat the casualties. (and nope, that should not be the war we see in the Asgard arc, as Odin lives at the same time as Juno)
You also find a third loki letter in fenrirs cave by the way on lyngvi after fenrir gets jailed. You can feel the hate loki has for odin and the desire of revenge he has
Ha! That’s right! We really love this kind of documents! We shall touch upon that when we’re done analyzing the Jotunheim arc and get back to Asgard ^^
@@kazekagejichujisoo7838 id have to go back into Asgard for that but I vaguely remember it says that odin did wrong by putting fenrir in prison and he will pay and loki will have revenge I’ll let ya know when I log into the game again
@@kazekagejichujisoo7838 so the note contains something loki wrote “may sustain you, my son, and buy favour” so basically it shows that he was trying his best to keep fenrir in Asgard and also trying to buy odins favor so that fenrir could go free but odin just killed him which is why loki got so angry. He was just a father who was trying his utter best to save his son
Great videos, but I cannot understand why the title and the description are translated in my native language (italian). It's something that automatically TH-cam is doing .... can I stop it somewhere in the options?
Hey Marco! Possiamo parlare italiano? :D In buona sostanza facciamo sempre le intestazioni anche in italiano perchè in teoria dovremmo occuparci anche dei sottotitoli in italiano dei video che realizziamo ma ultimamente è una cosa che non riusciamo a fare in maniera consistente :( Dunque TH-cam rileva che sei un utente italiano e ti mostra l'intestazione in italiano. Se invece preferisci avere l'intestazione in inglese basta che tu entri nel tuo canale e scelga l'opzione "Linguaggio: Inglese" anche mantentendo come localizzazione l'Italia Speriamo questo ti possa aiutare!
I think that a good explanation for Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel is that they’re visually different to the Aesir Isu. Perhaps the Jotun/Capitoline race of Isu had visually distinct markings or something different to the Aesir Isu and would explain why Odin said “I’ll tolerate no wolves in Asgard” when he tried to kill Fenrir (meaning “I won’t tolerate half-breed/tainted-blood abominations in Asgard”). This makes sense to me that Odin is a massive xenophobe and would class children born with both Aesir and Jotun blood as abominations since the Aesir are at war with the Jotun. I’m saying this all based on that Loki is technically a Jotun but his appearance is changed to that of an Aesir to fit in. It’s entirely possible that Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel were full Jotun/capitoline since both Loki and Alethia are Jotun/capitoline themselves.
The dwarf forger probably was the representation of Hephaestus from Greek mythology. Since he most likely made both odins spear and Thors hammer. Both isu weapons.
More likely the dwarves are hybrids or humans. From the vision of the Asgard, we know that the dwarves are slaves of the Aesir and they are not equal to Isu.
Ahhh it's so nice you guys are asking for it! We've taken a quick break because we're prepping something pretty big, which required our full attention 👀 Still, the script for Part 4 (and part 5) is 90% locked in, so hopefully we'll be able to have them ready soon!
I don't think that Fenrir being a wolf is an allegory. If you remember in AC Odyssey Jugment of Atlantis you can find a lot of different notes mentioning that wolves were cast from the Atlantis, and there was even something about a wolf-like creature terrorizing the city and then there was a note about the head of beast mounted upon Evaimon's wall, which was called a wolf. As well there was a side-quest with a woman turning into a wolf when she fell asleep. So, maybe, Fenrir indeed was a wolf, and because of that how Atlantians' (i.e. Greeko-Roman Isu) treated wolves it was dangerous for him to stay there. Furthermore, maybe Fenrir wasn't literary Aletheia and Loki's son, but the result of some of their experiments, hence the reason why he looked like a wolf.
Tbh odin should have been happy to know who would kill him. It pretty much says that he will be in invincible against anyone else. Prophecy are fickle things. It could have been an accidental death. Which makes me believe that odin should have shown love to his blood oath brothers son. And that all parties involved should know of the prophecy and come up with a humane plan.
Indeed, Odin plays much more the villain role than it seems, especially in the Asgard arc. It’s not always so easy to see, especially while playing as him, but yes, the main thing about him is his will to avoid his foretold death, whatever the cost, whatever the sacrifice
i have a doubt. Isnt it stated in one of the anomalies that alethia prevents Loki from appealing to the council to keep their affair in secret? but if the jotuns already knew about the on goings, what was there to hide?
Could it be that Fenrir was part human? Like I always assumed that Alethia was a hybrid held in high regard since she told Kassandra that the Fate of Atlantis DLC was made of her memories as Dikastes and in the DLC Kassandra was made Dikastes by Poseidon because she was a hybrid. Being held in high regard as Dikastes would also explain her “normal” interactions with the other isu. Plus everyone in the Fate of Atlantis was able to recognise Kassandra as a human right away so if Fenrir was part human maybe Odin could notice him right away and treat him the way Loki said he did in the anomalies since humans were discriminated against.
We cannot exclude that too... although in the Jotunheim arc Odin identifies a few humans used as slaves by the Greco-Roman Isu, and those are depicted as normal men working in Suttungr's palace. So technically in the allegory humans are represented as... humans. Still, maybe Fenrir could be partly human, so that would explain why it would have been considered as a "monster"
Sadly Alethia wasn't shown nor as human or wolf. So her being a hybrid and being shown as all other Isu but her son being a hybrid but shown as wolf is annoying :(. But ye I assumed Fenrir was hybris too and him increasing in size represented him getting stronger then Isu kinda how Kasandra became super powerful after Atlantis.
Yo I had the same theory, this is my take: What if Aletheia isn't fully Isu? In Odyssey, Poseidon says "Your humanity is clouding you" to the dikastes near the end of the dlc. Now we know Layla is reliving Aletheia's time as the dikastes, and we know Loki bears children with Aletheia. What if these children are "tainted ones" or what would later become people like Kassandra, who have large amounts of Isu DNA inside of them. It would make sense for both the Greco-Roman Isu and the Asgardian Isu to be freaked out by the idea, since they treated humans as slaves mostly. Idk, I just think there is something here to go on. Fenrir could also look like an isu but be mixed species, hence why Odin doesn't recognize the trait, which could be humanity. Wild I know but I just love theorizing about this. Wolves could be an allegory for humans or human isu hybrids, and how they would rise up with Eve and rebel, as shown in the prophecy disk, but now I'm stretching. Also could the actual giants in Jotunheim be Isu? The rest human or some other form of Isu, maybe a lesser breed in their view?
Loki isn't a Jötun. He is half Aesir- half-Jötun. Meaning that he was conceived by relations between a Norse Isu mother (Laufey) and Graco-Roman Isu father (Fárbauti).
Fenrir is seen as a wolf because odin feared him. Fenrir was part vanir and part aesir and these two clans were fighting so it was seen as something forbidden and awful. The vanir are Greco Roman Isu.
If Jotunheim was part of the Graeco-Roman Isu, then why don't we have Greek or Roman sculptures in Jotunheim? Asgard is full of them, yet Asgard represents another isu caste. I feel we are missing something. Jotunheim is also depicted as full of snow, something again atipical.
It's because Eivor sees the Graeco-Roman Isu as the Jotun from the Norse myths, thus having them acquire all of their mythological qualities, including the place where they live. Meanwhile Asgard is also a reflection of what Eivor sees in England, with not only the Roman statues but also some buildings being reminiscent of some you can find throughout the story.
@@AccessAnimus I have hopes we’ll learn the fates of Loki and Aletheia’s other two children. I know in mythology Jormungandr (I’m not sure if I’m spelling it correctly) dies at the hands of Thor but not before managing to inject poisonous venom into Thor’s blood. As to Hel, I don’t recall any mention of her in connection to Ragnarok. So that could mean the Isu Jormungandr had some knowledge of poison and managed to kill the Isu Thor before dying himself. It’ll be interesting to know more about Loki and Aletheia’s children as well as Loki’s past. Apparently in Norse mythology Loki is said to have two brothers who are only mentioned once. Meanwhile in mythology Odin and Loki become oath brothers so did the Isu Odin make a pact with Loki. If so what was it?
The AEsir shouldn't have those marks on their necks in the Asgard and Jotunheim arcs because they got those marks at the very beginning of Ragnarok, yes? When they "drink the Mead" before "facing their fate"
How do you feel about the idea that the rope that Odin made for Fenrir may be a cryogenic chamber or something along those lines? You said that the rope is possibly representative of a prison chamber, so maybe it is a cryogenic one. It could also explain how Fenrir would be alive for Basim/Loki to find thousands of years later.
Do we know of any Isu being disfigured? Fenrir being scarred would be there intentionally so I have a feeling that in upcoming content Fenrir would be identified as such. But again that’s a guess. Good video though
We know that Desmond might have been a sage of some kind, like how Eivor was to Odin, because like Altair and Ezio they shared the same scar on the lip, despite Altair and Ezio not being related
@@scrubmaster5153 Interesting theory but it could be Desmond’s Isu Ancestor then. Also note that Desmond is having like almost negligible Isu blood and at max he can use is Eagle Vision a trait he shared by his Isu Ancestor. Now trailing back, the traces that we know of Desmond having Isu Ancestry was Eve and Eve is the hybrid of Phanes and a Human. Now it could be that Phanes is our missing link but that’s just a theory.
@@scrubmaster5153 also Desmond’s son is a sage. Not Desmond himself. He’s not a host like Eivor was. If that’s the case then the number of Isu Sages would be super high
@@ikraikgaming Desmond’s son is an Aita Sage, with the heterochromia being the physical trait used to identify them. What if Desmond, Altair, and Ezio were sages of a different individual from the Isu period, with the lip scar being their identifiable trait?
Fenri wasn't full isu his mother was a human isu hybrid. Elethia isn't full isu Atleast that what's implied. That her and Cassandra are similar. Even the isu refer to her as such. Her mind is contained in the staff of Hermes. He is not full isu so oden looked down on him. That's pretty obvious.
It's not really about who is a bad guy; Assassins Creed always had a plot were all of the factions were truly not good nor evil. Havi (A. K. A. ODIN) tried so desperately to stop the Ragnarok (A. K. A. The Toba Catastrophe) that it made him do questionable things, such as threat the live of Loki's son (A. K. A. Fenrir), or causing inestability in the Jotun cast (the Roman/Olympian Isu cast), making the 7th method of salvation only available for himself and his allies; meanwhile, Loki killed Baldur, and possibly Heindal, Odin's sons, not only as an act of revenge, but to persecute Odin reincarnation replacing the last in the reincarnation, and to reunite with his wife, Aletheia (they knew this thanks to the calculations that the Isu were so good at). There's no side completely evil or good, they all have motives that, in some ways, justify their actions. We can see this not only in Valhalla, but also through the series. One of the big dilemmas in the conflicts of the principal factions in the franchise is the one between the Assassins and the Templars, who want to achieve, but the ways the want to achieve it difer; the Assassins (P. K. A. Hidden Ones) think that if liberty was given, people would be able to achieve peace, but full liberty causes complete chaos, because without rules, there's only chaos, while Templars (P. K. A. the Order of the Ancients or N. K. A Abstergo) think that, if they can control people, they will ensure peace, however, people who don't have control over their lives are bound to live a live of misery. This filosofies have good and bad points, and it's completely reasonable to believe such filosofy. That's something that I love of this franchise. Not everything is black or white, but different shades of Grey. I hope this helped you understand the plot overall in a more understandable manner. (If you wonder, P. K. A. means Previously Known As, and N. K. A. means Now Known As)
@@noone5454 wait wouldn't that mean that Odin seeked to stop his death via control aka templar while Loki upheld the theory of everything is permitted Assassin to save his son
Wild theory, what if the Asier are just an ancient kingdom of humans. I mean the jutnar have Isu qualities like taller stature and markings on body, while the Asier do not. They don’t have glowing skin markings like isu shown before, this may be an over site by Ubisoft but it may show a larger story being made in ac. This would make a sense if Loki was a human because his children would not be accepted by isu, and since we know there’s a human isu war going on this should suggest humans hate isu as much as isu hate humans. Also remember humans did posses qualities to disobey isu such shown by Adam and Eve, Odin may be a descended from them.
Honestly I am upset Loki/Basim is the playable character now. I wish someone had gut him and his son and thrown them down hell 😡 so many betrayals! All for his illegal monster of a son. Kassandra was such a lovable character. It really hurts to see how she was used as an mean to their ends. 🤧
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Interesting note, Eivor often calls the Romans "giants" in the story a few times and here the Greco-Roman Isu are seen as Jotun
Its more in reference to their empire and how massive it was, along with their military might. By Eivors time the ruins would have been a sight to see as there wasnt construction of the Roman scale until well after Eivors time.
@@yugitrump435 yeah that's kinda what he was getting out, I believe. Good representation.. The jotunn where Greco Roman.. And viewed in Evior's perspective of understanding
I love the focus on ISU lore. Hope it continues
You mean in the games or in our videos?
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@@AccessAnimus Both....especially the game.
@@AccessAnimus Please make a video if u can on the documents found in Gunlodr/Minerva's Vault ( Creation I, Creation II, Creation III and so on)
@@raj0288 The next video in our series will be dedicated to the Jotunheim Arc!
As there's *so much* to analyze in there we might need more than one video :P
But we'll make sure to touch upon the Creation files as well!
@@raj0288 Word i love the ISU stuff. Like I've been waiting for this since AC2.
Wait, so the technology Odin obtained from Ivaldi to imprison Fenrir could be one that separates his consciousness from his body. Kind of like how Jupiter and Minerva imprisoned Juno in the grand temple. So Fenrir’s consciousness is probably locked beyond the walls of another temple and requires someone to touch an eye to release it (like how Desmond touched the eye to release Juno in AC3). All Basim would need to do then to save his son is find that temple and set Fenrir free and into the gray. That would make for a really interesting plot line.
Fenrir kills Odin in Ragnarok
I also believe Aletheia is actually a hybrid Isu/human. There were already some indications in the Atlantis DLC (which could be conisdered Aletheia's memories) and we have some in Valhalla as well. For example, when pretending to be Freya to trick the builder, the builder can comment on his voice, to which Loki says something like "I am told it [his voice] has a seductive quality" and Thor replies "by a wolf". If this refers to Aletheia being a "wolf", then that would explain the "wolf traits" of Fenrir as him also being partly human (through his mother). So maybe the allegory is that Isu/human hybrids are (hybrid) "monsters". It is likely they were seen as such by some Isu and discriminated for it, much like "mudbloods" vs pure wizards in Harry Potter. Havi would then ban all hybrids ("wolfs") to counter the prophecy/calculations. Btw, in Valhalla Loki is considered half Jotun (mentioned in the codex).
Also, I wonder whether there was some sort of war between Greek/Roman and Aesir Isu, but they called a truce because of the impending catastrophe.
Although it's hidden from casual players, I am glad we finally got a deep focus on Isu lore and history I've wanted for years!
Honestly, Valhalla was first ac game I played (i played black flag for half an hour before, didn't like it that much) Later I played origins and finally odissay and then came back for black flag and boy am I loving the whole isu stuff.. I plan to play other ac games but when I have enough time, since I am really busy rn.
*Fenrir being a monster is a reference to the monstrous act of Loki mating with a rivalling Isu clan.*
These lore videos are overwhelming.
Hope they are in a good way!?
Definitely in a great way!! Thank you for breaking them down!! Love mythology, especially Greek and Norse mythology, that’s my SSSSSHIIIIIIIIT!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙏🏼💙💯
@@AccessAnimus yes definitely in a good way.
@@riteshmishra3773 Hahah! Thank you guys!
I wonder if the binding/Isu jail is perhaps a cryogenics chamber of sorts - it would keep Fenrir alive but also keep him imprisoned; as for what his potential 'mark' being I've not sure - perhaps his son was an agent or sympathizer of humans for the war and agreed to kill Odin for them since it'd be a huge victory, like the assassination of Saturn. Ivaldi mentioning the testing of the Mead and hugr into a goat - I wonder if perhaps he is a relative of Juno? Since he's a blacksmith he could perhaps be Hepahestus since he made the 'Weapons of Eden' and may have owed Odin a huge favor for something, resulting in his servitude to the Aesir for an unknown amount of time.
I also don't know if you know this but in the Hidden Truth video, the Isu that Loki killed - that was Heimdall.
Shaun and Rebecca should've asked if Loki's son was a literal wolf
Hahah :D
That would have been too easy :D
@@AccessAnimus what if they just responded with yes
been thinking about that too.. what do you guys think, will it be an actual wolf? or a "lone wolf" character :)
I have a question - Juno said "Desmond is WITH ME within the Grey." We met Desmond in this game. Basim speaks of him. Does Basim (Loki) and Juno met in the Grey? She helped Odin long time ago, so I wonder if she and Basim liked each other it not...
That's an interesting question :D
So, in the years from 2012 until 2018 Juno, after she was freed from the Grand Temple, Juno might have actually had some interactions with Basim / Loki within the Grey / Yggdrasil device.
Judging by the Anomalies files, I'd say Loki wouldn't be a fan of Juno because she helped Odin and at the same time didn't help him when she was holding the Mother of Wisdom title...
@@AccessAnimus He probably has some major issues with her.
We know from Odyssey that Aletheia waited this long because of Juno. And with Juno gone she could finally act, so I guess Basim isn't a fan of her either. Also Darby McDevitt mentioned that Juno might have lied about Desmond being in the Grey, but given Valhalla's ending it's actually true.
@@paweonisk6377 I think Juno’s probably lucky she was defeated a different way because if she found out Loki was back and wanting blood...it wouldn’t be pretty. And I just thought of something, would Aletheia and Loki’s lust for vengeance also include attacking Aita’s reincarnation? If so then to quote Scooby-Doo, ruroh!
@@mirandagoldstine8548 don't you mean ISUes? Xd
This is really only a theory, but something that could explain the ambiguities around Fenrir and Odin’s actions is if you expand the definition of “children” beyond biological to technological: i.e. Loki and Alethia’s offspring could be fully autonomous artificial intelligences.
It isn’t hard to imagine a society defining AIs as “monsters” out of a fear of losing control of them (there are plenty of examples of that fear in our own culture), and banning their creation. It would also explain explain Odin’s fear of ALL “wolves” (AIs) not just Loki’s one specifically, and how they’re not immediately recognizable but need to be hunted. It might also explain Fenrir’s role in Ragnarok as him being able to affect Isu technology on a worldwide scale, rendering them more defenseless against the Toba Catastrophe.
If the divisions we’re seeing are caste-based rather than geographical it might be fair to assume based on what we’ve seen that the Greco-Roman/Jotnar Isu are the scientists and in a technologically advanced society they might be the ruling class. Norse culture’s emphasis on warrior qualities could hint at the Aesir being the Isu’s military caste, and lacking the status given to those who researched and created knowledge.
Loki is stated in the codex to have been the son of a Jotun so in this context would have been the child of a scientifically accomplished family who (for whatever reason) decided to join/marry into the military. He then encounters and begins an affair with Alethia, a woman from his former caste, and with their shared scientific background they successfully programmed artificial intelligences.
In this possible explanation of the allegory, the dwarven caste who are obviously physical makers of things could well be the technicians who build and maintain the Isu’s technology, which would fit and make the cord and Fenrir’s jail pieces of hardware designed to trap and hold the AI software (like an air-gapped server).
Like I say it’s only a theory, but I think it does give a logical explanation for a lot of the things that don’t quite make sense yet.
HOLY SHIT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS THEORY.
Hope Darby does a Q&A soon, it'd be interesting to show him this theory and ask him about the nature of the "real" Fenrir.
I think it’s interesting when you remove the veil of Norse mythology. It helps you understand why Loki referred to Odin as the mad one. that Loki’s son wasn’t an actual “wolf”. And Odin imprisoned his son because of the “calculations” of his son killing him during the toba catastrophe. And also Loki is half aesir half Greco Roman isu. so intriguing, I love the lore of this game.
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Another great video... I love these !
Hahah! And we're happy to provide more!
Wow these videos makes me wanna replay the game. Or quit my job and replay they whole series 😂
Great work, looking forward to the next episode
Couldn't it be possible that wolves, and by extension Fenrir, represent humans?
Also explaining why it is so "shameful" for Loki to father this "beast".
He and Aletheia may have adopted a human and considered him a true son.
It's even possible that Fenrir may have been Adam. Who after escaping with Eve and starting the human rebellions, was captured by Odin, but Loki convinced him that he should be kept alive as leverage, though in reality it was because he cared about him.
Could be interesting if Jörmungandr, or whoever came to be known as such, was also the "snake"/being who "tempted" Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. (or, in AC lore, led them to the key to their freedom?)
Could be interesting to find out Loki was involved in that.
Just got a.c. valhalla. I Love these videos. Awesome content
I don't understand one thing. Time and again it has been mentioned that isu had the ability to "sense" time in a way that humans could not. This was highlighted in a way that they had this capability in a biological or at least consciousness level. But all evidence we have seen is them being exactly like humans except they are technologically more advanced. All this sensing of time is achieved through technology itself. So what am I missing here? If anything, isu made humans in such a way that controlling them would be easier. That is the only difference I can see (and the height of course).
Great Video btw. This and your site are my go to source for anything AC.
So glad I am not a newcomer to this series with all this lore 😂
Ha! Yeah, we're trying our best to streamline and re-introduce concepts for new fans as well, but videos are getting extremely long as is already, we're doing our best to balance that!
It's going to be super tricky once we go to Jotunheim :P
I can only imagine 😥 btw 1 question do you think we will still play as basim in the next game or will we play as someone else possibly desmonds son with basim/loki as the new villain after juno?
@@giovanni8199 I guess that really depends on the main Ireland and Paris DLCs for the game. If those feature modern day, we'll probably play them as Basim and based on how they end, we'll probably have a better idea whether we'll play as him.
The thing is, Basim / Loki isn't necessarily and only a bad guy per se - Odin behaved "villanously" most of the time during the Asgard and especially the Jotunheim arc, so Loki's behaviour can also be considered as a reaction to all that.
All in all, Basim's character is so complex that it may work both as a main character (the father that survived time in order to save his children) and as a villain (the selfish Isu who killed Odin's son and Heimdall in order to survive and have his revenge on Odin)
@@AccessAnimus thank you for the explanation 😀 thanks a lot for your time and let's hope we see william miles in the dlc's then
Man, you still remember and understand all this lore? I play this game since 1,2, skip revelation and brotherhood but still know about juno and his husband, play the third and black flag. I play all of those but after unity and syndicate, i really forget all of this lore. You great man
So... Isu had many different groups. Greek/Roman Gods , Asgardian Gods for example.
Loki was a Greek/Roman Isu that was living among Asgardian Isu.
The ice giants in the Asgard arc were an interpretation of Greek/Roman Isu which were in war with the Asgardian Isu for unknown reasons.
Loki had a child with another Greek/Roman Isu (Alithea) , the child was Fenrir.
Why this child(Fenrir) is a threat?
What does this child have to do with the catastrophe?
Greek/Roman Isu invented the 7th method?
Why they were at war?
I might be wrong , but The answer to why the Isus' were at war was because the asgardian isu stole the 7th method of salvation that the greco-roman isu had.
Depicted in the jotunheim arc of valhalla.
1. Only Odin thinks Fenrir is a threat because he will be the one to kill him during Ragnarok (the great catastrophe from Revelations.
2. Pretty much answered it in number one
3. The seventh method was invented specifically for Odin and his trusted 8 as a means to survive the catastrophe. Not sure who came up with the seventh method tho.
4. The Greco-Roman Isu and The Norse Isu are at war. That’s it. No explanation why because the game never tells us why.
Edit: actually for number 3 I think Juno/Hyorikkin made it for Odin. There’s a scene where she gives him the mead/serum during the Jotunheim arc.
I'd have to disagree with the two factions being at war *because* of the Seventh Method because the battle at the Bifrost and the other incursions by the Jotnar in Asgard happen before Odin even gets to know about "hugr magic" (which is the conscience transfer branch of the Greco-Roman methods of salvation), let alone of the existence of the Mead / Seventh.
I'd go with more traditional reasons like conquest or difference of opinion etc. And in general I'd say that the war sequences appear in order to show that even the Isu could go at war against each other (although we knew that already from Syndicate)
@@AccessAnimus thanks for the clarity but when was the war mentioned in syndicate ?
@@gedemartha9534 There's a modern day audio file where the Isu Consus (from within the Shroud) mentions the so-called War of Unification that took place roughly 300 hundred years before Juno's birth and was fought between different factions of the Isu.
Tools like the Swords and Shrouds of Eden were created during that war to respectively dominate / end the war and to treat the casualties.
(and nope, that should not be the war we see in the Asgard arc, as Odin lives at the same time as Juno)
You also find a third loki letter in fenrirs cave by the way on lyngvi after fenrir gets jailed. You can feel the hate loki has for odin and the desire of revenge he has
Ha! That’s right! We really love this kind of documents!
We shall touch upon that when we’re done analyzing the Jotunheim arc and get back to Asgard ^^
Ooh can you comment what the letter says I’m interested
@@kazekagejichujisoo7838 id have to go back into Asgard for that but I vaguely remember it says that odin did wrong by putting fenrir in prison and he will pay and loki will have revenge I’ll let ya know when I log into the game again
@@ahmedsachwani2868 thanks
@@kazekagejichujisoo7838 so the note contains something loki wrote “may sustain you, my son, and buy favour” so basically it shows that he was trying his best to keep fenrir in Asgard and also trying to buy odins favor so that fenrir could go free but odin just killed him which is why loki got so angry. He was just a father who was trying his utter best to save his son
Great videos, but I cannot understand why the title and the description are translated in my native language (italian). It's something that automatically TH-cam is doing .... can I stop it somewhere in the options?
Hey Marco! Possiamo parlare italiano? :D
In buona sostanza facciamo sempre le intestazioni anche in italiano perchè in teoria dovremmo occuparci anche dei sottotitoli in italiano dei video che realizziamo ma ultimamente è una cosa che non riusciamo a fare in maniera consistente :(
Dunque TH-cam rileva che sei un utente italiano e ti mostra l'intestazione in italiano. Se invece preferisci avere l'intestazione in inglese basta che tu entri nel tuo canale e scelga l'opzione "Linguaggio: Inglese" anche mantentendo come localizzazione l'Italia
Speriamo questo ti possa aiutare!
@@AccessAnimus Grazie per la celere risposta. Preferisco vedere i video in lingua originale... ma complimenti per il lavoro!
absolutely brilliant
I think that a good explanation for Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel is that they’re visually different to the Aesir Isu. Perhaps the Jotun/Capitoline race of Isu had visually distinct markings or something different to the Aesir Isu and would explain why Odin said “I’ll tolerate no wolves in Asgard” when he tried to kill Fenrir (meaning “I won’t tolerate half-breed/tainted-blood abominations in Asgard”). This makes sense to me that Odin is a massive xenophobe and would class children born with both Aesir and Jotun blood as abominations since the Aesir are at war with the Jotun. I’m saying this all based on that Loki is technically a Jotun but his appearance is changed to that of an Aesir to fit in. It’s entirely possible that Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel were full Jotun/capitoline since both Loki and Alethia are Jotun/capitoline themselves.
The dwarf forger probably was the representation of Hephaestus from Greek mythology. Since he most likely made both odins spear and Thors hammer. Both isu weapons.
More likely the dwarves are hybrids or humans. From the vision of the Asgard, we know that the dwarves are slaves of the Aesir and they are not equal to Isu.
Is the new video soon? Just curious. Please take as much time as you need, this is some quality content. I'm just a little excited 😆
Ahhh it's so nice you guys are asking for it!
We've taken a quick break because we're prepping something pretty big, which required our full attention 👀
Still, the script for Part 4 (and part 5) is 90% locked in, so hopefully we'll be able to have them ready soon!
Well I just gotta say I appreciate you making sure it is quality content! Also big prep 👀👀👀, I can't wait! Thank you!
I don't think that Fenrir being a wolf is an allegory. If you remember in AC Odyssey Jugment of Atlantis you can find a lot of different notes mentioning that wolves were cast from the Atlantis, and there was even something about a wolf-like creature terrorizing the city and then there was a note about the head of beast mounted upon Evaimon's wall, which was called a wolf.
As well there was a side-quest with a woman turning into a wolf when she fell asleep.
So, maybe, Fenrir indeed was a wolf, and because of that how Atlantians' (i.e. Greeko-Roman Isu) treated wolves it was dangerous for him to stay there. Furthermore, maybe Fenrir wasn't literary Aletheia and Loki's son, but the result of some of their experiments, hence the reason why he looked like a wolf.
Tbh odin should have been happy to know who would kill him. It pretty much says that he will be in invincible against anyone else. Prophecy are fickle things. It could have been an accidental death. Which makes me believe that odin should have shown love to his blood oath brothers son. And that all parties involved should know of the prophecy and come up with a humane plan.
Odin was a jerk
Indeed, Odin plays much more the villain role than it seems, especially in the Asgard arc.
It’s not always so easy to see, especially while playing as him, but yes, the main thing about him is his will to avoid his foretold death, whatever the cost, whatever the sacrifice
@@AccessAnimus well even in the mythology most of the gods do villainous things
@@ahmedsachwani2868 That is very true :D
@@AccessAnimus And that's why is fitting that Eivor, a human, sealed Odin's fate.
What always was a big mystery in ac Valhalla is why isn’t jormongondir in mudguard or even in the Asgard arc
Also fulke is fenrir she took sigards arm
Could the "children" of Loki be references to his experiments under the Greco-Roman Isus' Olympos project?
Can't wait for the Jotunheim video!
i have a doubt. Isnt it stated in one of the anomalies that alethia prevents Loki from appealing to the council to keep their affair in secret? but if the jotuns already knew about the on goings, what was there to hide?
I’m currently playing the Asgard section now
Hey what's the music around 8 minutes ?
An interesting story.
Could it be that Fenrir was part human? Like I always assumed that Alethia was a hybrid held in high regard since she told Kassandra that the Fate of Atlantis DLC was made of her memories as Dikastes and in the DLC Kassandra was made Dikastes by Poseidon because she was a hybrid. Being held in high regard as Dikastes would also explain her “normal” interactions with the other isu. Plus everyone in the Fate of Atlantis was able to recognise Kassandra as a human right away so if Fenrir was part human maybe Odin could notice him right away and treat him the way Loki said he did in the anomalies since humans were discriminated against.
We cannot exclude that too... although in the Jotunheim arc Odin identifies a few humans used as slaves by the Greco-Roman Isu, and those are depicted as normal men working in Suttungr's palace. So technically in the allegory humans are represented as... humans.
Still, maybe Fenrir could be partly human, so that would explain why it would have been considered as a "monster"
But how could he be tho? Both of his parents are isu.
Sadly Alethia wasn't shown nor as human or wolf. So her being a hybrid and being shown as all other Isu but her son being a hybrid but shown as wolf is annoying :(. But ye I assumed Fenrir was hybris too and him increasing in size represented him getting stronger then Isu kinda how Kasandra became super powerful after Atlantis.
@@Spetsznazz she was called the mother of wolves
Yo I had the same theory, this is my take: What if Aletheia isn't fully Isu? In Odyssey, Poseidon says "Your humanity is clouding you" to the dikastes near the end of the dlc. Now we know Layla is reliving Aletheia's time as the dikastes, and we know Loki bears children with Aletheia. What if these children are "tainted ones" or what would later become people like Kassandra, who have large amounts of Isu DNA inside of them. It would make sense for both the Greco-Roman Isu and the Asgardian Isu to be freaked out by the idea, since they treated humans as slaves mostly. Idk, I just think there is something here to go on. Fenrir could also look like an isu but be mixed species, hence why Odin doesn't recognize the trait, which could be humanity. Wild I know but I just love theorizing about this. Wolves could be an allegory for humans or human isu hybrids, and how they would rise up with Eve and rebel, as shown in the prophecy disk, but now I'm stretching. Also could the actual giants in Jotunheim be Isu? The rest human or some other form of Isu, maybe a lesser breed in their view?
Loki isn't a Jötun. He is half Aesir- half-Jötun. Meaning that he was conceived by relations between a Norse Isu mother (Laufey) and Graco-Roman Isu father (Fárbauti).
One thing I did not understood is why isu started a war when a catastrophe is on the way.
Fenrir is seen as a wolf because odin feared him. Fenrir was part vanir and part aesir and these two clans were fighting so it was seen as something forbidden and awful. The vanir are Greco Roman Isu.
That " mead " from the vault could be serum.
If Jotunheim was part of the Graeco-Roman Isu, then why don't we have Greek or Roman sculptures in Jotunheim? Asgard is full of them, yet Asgard represents another isu caste. I feel we are missing something. Jotunheim is also depicted as full of snow, something again atipical.
It's because Eivor sees the Graeco-Roman Isu as the Jotun from the Norse myths, thus having them acquire all of their mythological qualities, including the place where they live.
Meanwhile Asgard is also a reflection of what Eivor sees in England, with not only the Roman statues but also some buildings being reminiscent of some you can find throughout the story.
@@Pablo-ze6un Wow. Makes sense. Thank you kindly! 😊
Interesting
So, Angrboda is Aletheia
That she is!
And it was very unexpected.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 True, but to be honest, seeing all these recurring Isu coming back in the Jotunheim arc was so very satisfying :D
@@AccessAnimus I have hopes we’ll learn the fates of Loki and Aletheia’s other two children. I know in mythology Jormungandr (I’m not sure if I’m spelling it correctly) dies at the hands of Thor but not before managing to inject poisonous venom into Thor’s blood. As to Hel, I don’t recall any mention of her in connection to Ragnarok. So that could mean the Isu Jormungandr had some knowledge of poison and managed to kill the Isu Thor before dying himself. It’ll be interesting to know more about Loki and Aletheia’s children as well as Loki’s past. Apparently in Norse mythology Loki is said to have two brothers who are only mentioned once. Meanwhile in mythology Odin and Loki become oath brothers so did the Isu Odin make a pact with Loki. If so what was it?
The AEsir shouldn't have those marks on their necks in the Asgard and Jotunheim arcs because they got those marks at the very beginning of Ragnarok, yes? When they "drink the Mead" before "facing their fate"
It’s very likely the marks on their necks in Eivor is her subconscious trying to point out that she already meet the other reincarnations
How do you feel about the idea that the rope that Odin made for Fenrir may be a cryogenic chamber or something along those lines? You said that the rope is possibly representative of a prison chamber, so maybe it is a cryogenic one. It could also explain how Fenrir would be alive for Basim/Loki to find thousands of years later.
That could be indeed!
Do we know of any Isu being disfigured? Fenrir being scarred would be there intentionally so I have a feeling that in upcoming content Fenrir would be identified as such. But again that’s a guess. Good video though
Also happy birthday, Mentor. We hope to learn more ☺️
We know that Desmond might have been a sage of some kind, like how Eivor was to Odin, because like Altair and Ezio they shared the same scar on the lip, despite Altair and Ezio not being related
@@scrubmaster5153 Interesting theory but it could be Desmond’s Isu Ancestor then. Also note that Desmond is having like almost negligible Isu blood and at max he can use is Eagle Vision a trait he shared by his Isu Ancestor. Now trailing back, the traces that we know of Desmond having Isu Ancestry was Eve and Eve is the hybrid of Phanes and a Human. Now it could be that Phanes is our missing link but that’s just a theory.
@@scrubmaster5153 also Desmond’s son is a sage. Not Desmond himself. He’s not a host like Eivor was. If that’s the case then the number of Isu Sages would be super high
@@ikraikgaming Desmond’s son is an Aita Sage, with the heterochromia being the physical trait used to identify them. What if Desmond, Altair, and Ezio were sages of a different individual from the Isu period, with the lip scar being their identifiable trait?
Fenri wasn't full isu his mother was a human isu hybrid. Elethia isn't full isu Atleast that what's implied. That her and Cassandra are similar. Even the isu refer to her as such. Her mind is contained in the staff of Hermes. He is not full isu so oden looked down on him. That's pretty obvious.
I wonder if fenrir is just a normal isu or a monster like the minotaur in odyssey
Moral of the Story: Keep it in your pants Loki!
loki's fault for sure and just blame odin just like when his mischief backfire
Wait is havi a bad guy or is Loki a bad guy I am so confused
It's not really about who is a bad guy; Assassins Creed always had a plot were all of the factions were truly not good nor evil.
Havi (A. K. A. ODIN) tried so desperately to stop the Ragnarok (A. K. A. The Toba Catastrophe) that it made him do questionable things, such as threat the live of Loki's son (A. K. A. Fenrir), or causing inestability in the Jotun cast (the Roman/Olympian Isu cast), making the 7th method of salvation only available for himself and his allies; meanwhile, Loki killed Baldur, and possibly Heindal, Odin's sons, not only as an act of revenge, but to persecute Odin reincarnation replacing the last in the reincarnation, and to reunite with his wife, Aletheia (they knew this thanks to the calculations that the Isu were so good at). There's no side completely evil or good, they all have motives that, in some ways, justify their actions. We can see this not only in Valhalla, but also through the series.
One of the big dilemmas in the conflicts of the principal factions in the franchise is the one between the Assassins and the Templars, who want to achieve, but the ways the want to achieve it difer; the Assassins (P. K. A. Hidden Ones) think that if liberty was given, people would be able to achieve peace, but full liberty causes complete chaos, because without rules, there's only chaos, while Templars (P. K. A. the Order of the Ancients or N. K. A Abstergo) think that, if they can control people, they will ensure peace, however, people who don't have control over their lives are bound to live a live of misery. This filosofies have good and bad points, and it's completely reasonable to believe such filosofy.
That's something that I love of this franchise. Not everything is black or white, but different shades of Grey. I hope this helped you understand the plot overall in a more understandable manner.
(If you wonder, P. K. A. means Previously Known As, and N. K. A. means Now Known As)
Very well spoken!!!
@@AccessAnimus Thanks!
@@noone5454 wait wouldn't that mean that Odin seeked to stop his death via control aka templar while Loki upheld the theory of everything is permitted Assassin to save his son
@@andremcdonald6120 that's an interesting view, that I never thought about it.
Sadly, you make this game far more interesting than it actually is.
Why
How? He is literally interpreting the game lol. That's like saying Talking Dead is more interesting than Walking Dead, tho those stink
It might be that fenrir Was having full hair all over his body?
Why is his son a wolf tho
Wild theory, what if the Asier are just an ancient kingdom of humans. I mean the jutnar have Isu qualities like taller stature and markings on body, while the Asier do not. They don’t have glowing skin markings like isu shown before, this may be an over site by Ubisoft but it may show a larger story being made in ac. This would make a sense if Loki was a human because his children would not be accepted by isu, and since we know there’s a human isu war going on this should suggest humans hate isu as much as isu hate humans. Also remember humans did posses qualities to disobey isu such shown by Adam and Eve, Odin may be a descended from them.
Honestly I am upset Loki/Basim is the playable character now. I wish someone had gut him and his son and thrown them down hell 😡 so many betrayals! All for his illegal monster of a son. Kassandra was such a lovable character. It really hurts to see how she was used as an mean to their ends. 🤧
Fenrir was the victim of Odin's paranoia and Loki's schemes....and none of this would happen if Odin wasn't such a selfish asshole.
Velka is waifu