7:55 the German Green Party is now so mainstream that (until recently) it was, for a few years, the 2nd most popular party in opinion polls (ahead of the SPD). The current government coalition is sometimes called the “Traffic Light” coalition because it is Red + Green + Yellow (SPD + Green + FDP).
if I'm not completely mistaken he means with "It wasn't all bad" the song of the group the Prinzen that is why the Prinzen stands under it. The song is called in german "Es war nicht alles schlecht". die prinzen is a well-known band that comes from the former east germany. the members still grew up in the ddr/gdr their career began but only after the turnaround when germany was reunited.
It wasn't all bad.... also heard from some Germans after WW2. This is also something "Die Prinzen" are relating to, kind of mocking the "ostalgity" of their fellow country mates.
Social democtats are nor anti capitalist, but wish to soften the negative effects by putting in place social benefits such as free schooling and good health care, as that also strengthens a countrys competetiveness
Right they don't want a socialist society they have socialist values but dont want to achieve it. So they are not socialists or Communists what us Americans most of the time doesn't know doesent want to know or activly undermine so. God night and frandship of a german socialist.
But you have to mention that this makes them also very vulnerable to lobbyism. Both the current SPD chancellor and the last one have big accusations of shady deals going on behind closed doors against them. And many other prominent party members have been known to have more than one face, where suddenly they turn from big enemies of, for example the arms trade, to basically spokespersons for the weapon industry.
Lmao good schooling shouldn't be seen as social welfare, labelling something as welfare just means it's going to get means tested and cut. It's a right, not a social benefit
The thing to remember about the CDU is that all the words in the name have definite meaning in context. Christian Democrat. Democratic Union. Christian Union. In old Germany the mainstream democratic Right was split between Catholic (Centre) and Protestant (People's) parties. CDU founder Konrad Adenauer believed that split had helped the Nazis squeeze through the cracks. So his new party explicitly unified the two older party strains. There had also been rightwing parties (notably the National People's Party) that were skeptical, even hostile, toward the democratic system that replaced the old Monarchy. So the CDU was also an explicit rejection of that.
Another thing to mention is that before there war there was half a dozen liberal parties that split and merged and moved around like crazy. from social liberal to national liberal. The FDP set to unite that whole spectrum into one party. And the CDU absorbed a lot of the moderate right in the early days and split them from the unworkable extremes.
To the point of the difference between socialism and social democracy: at the beginning of the 20th century the SPD was the biggest political party and social movement in Europe spanning views from the far left to the center and beeing a major force in the enperial parliament (Reichstag). The rift started to appear when the SPD approved the war bonds for WW1 in exchange for joining the government thus practically making the war possible. The left wing was opposed to that and split off. The rift deepened after the war with the SPD seeking power and connecting with established fighting off the left wing advances to establish a socialist society. There was literal civil war in the streets. A war cry by the socialist side used to be „wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!“ (who betrayed us? Social Democrats!) When the Nazis came to power members of both parties where prosecuted. But the rift remained after WWII with the SPD working inside the democratic system and the Left outside of it. Long story short: Today „die Linke“ isn’t trying to end democracy anymore otherwise they wouldn’t be allowed to participate.
You forget, however, that a large part of the disappointed leftists who left the SPD after 1918 then founded the KPD and became uncritical supporters of Lenin's and Stalin's dictatorship. These Stalinists were then given the task after 1945 in East Germany of transforming the country and society along Soviet lines. No upright Social Democrat could take part in such a thing. I really hope that today's "Die Linke" is immune to any sympathy for dictatorship.
Yes, "Die Linke" is not really socialist, their youth organisations may be and they have some Trotzki fans, but overall they are a wierd mix of "bürgerlicher"(civil) and pseudo-socialist ideology. Most socialist and communist groups in Germany are not connected with the party.
Eine Sache bei der alten SPD ist die Tatsache das sie im Reichstag die einzige linke Partei des kaiserreichs waren und randparteien neigen stärker dazu Flügel zu bilden die weiter auseinander liegen. Was man in den USA an der politischen Breite der Demokraten und Republikaner sehen kann faschistisch über marktlibetal und conservative bei den Demokraten leicht conservative marktlieberale hin zu Sozialdemokraten und sehr gemäßigte Sozialisten.
And now do a "Wahl-O-Mat" quizz to check with wich party your general thoughs align (not for content). The "Wahl-O-Mat" is service of the Federal Agency for Civic Education where they asked all parties about their opinions of current topics and match their anwsers with yours.
Spoiler - the afd (and before their high right shift the now forbidden npd) will always be in your recommended part to some degree - yet when you read the reasoning behind it.. its always mumbo Jumbo.. as they made sure to include everything, yet nothing to a degree you'd want them to be your representative.. unles you are a nazi enthusiast ofc.
A multi-party system is great for its citizens, especially when they have to form coalitions. A compromise often gets the best results for everyone. And shouldn't a country make it liveable for all its citizens not just for one group?
@@cantinasmothie7041 >all our partys are so stupid Nonsense. Grow up. > Even someone with no degree would rule my Country better No, they wouldn't. You are ignorant.
Germanys political/economical stance isn't softend socialistic but softend capitalistic. Even so, both US partties would be considered right wing in Germany.
I would describe it as free market economy with government regulation and social policies. Basically getting away from either extreme, into a workable, moderate democratic system.
"Die Prinzen" is an East-German music group, and the joke is that Die Prinzen actually means "The Princes", and as Germany doesn't have princes anymore, they reminisce the past cherishly as much as nostalgic people in Germany often do with the monarchy.
The a cappella band "Die Prinzen" was founded in 1991 by former members of the Thomanerchor (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomanerchor) from Leipzig making mostly fun songs as well as the nostalgic, but not entirely serious th-cam.com/video/IddkiZxry_I/w-d-xo.html
The major political parties in Germany is similar to New Zealand as both counties have the same voting system - MMP (Mixed-member proportional representation). New Zealand main centre right party is the National Party, the main centre left party is Labour, The Green party is for environment and social justice and the ACT party is for right wing liberalism. Like with Germany, the Green Party and Labour support each other so do National and ACT. which en essence is 95% of the votes with the remaining votes is fought over by the 2 larger minority parties, being the Maori Party and NZ First.
10:07 Socialism vs Social Democracy US - capitalism / individualism = getting a better standard of living each for himself German - social market economy = getting a better standard of living alltogether for everyone After WW2 and starting to rebuild Germany, this "Rhinish Capitalism" / Social Market Economy was one of the very fundametal principles of the new republic and the Grundgesetz (aka german constitution / kind of...). Interesting though, it was introduced and pushed through not by communists or socialist but by Konrad Adenauer (CDU).
This is the best explanation video on German politics I‘ve seen so far! Well done. I also liked how he pointed out how ridiculous it sounds for Germans when Americans throw the word socialism around and think they know what that entails. The last real socialist country in the vicinity was the GDR (where I was born). Really like that you are open to learning a new perspective. 👍❤
"Die Pinzen" is a music band originated from east Germany they had some pieces with quite sarcastic lyrics - "It wasn't all bad" a line out of one of their songs, refers to the time after WWII when some germans use to say "after all, it wasn't that bad" refering to Nazi-Germany
To the AfD: It is really similar in its policies to the Republican party. That is not to say, the policies are good but like on the spectrum (in April 2024): The Left Volt
Social Democracy is Capitalism, with free Healthcare, free Education and publicly owned utilities. Everything else is capitalism. Capitalism works best with a healthy and educated population that can not easily be swayed by existential fear. Social Democracy does not try to overcome capitalism, but to enfranchise as many people as possible into capitalism.
Hello! I live and was born in Costa Rica, but my parents are Germans. Coming from both these countries and having lived in many different ones I am not only surprised but even angered about the way lot's of ( not all!) US citizens react to the term socialism. Costa Rica is an very socialistic country (we even get that taught in school as a positive aspect) and I take pride in that, because it (mostly) cares for it's citizens, you can see this in the health system (more like Germany's), the educational system (with "free" public education up to university (more like Germany's)) and the multi party system (more like Germany's). It is good to be social, to help each other out and to care for one another... Just saying.
"It wasn't all bad" is a translation from a Songname from the german Band "Die Prinzen" (Yes, they call themself "the Princes" and are a pretty successful band here, and also circa 46 Years old. started as an accappela group in east germany)
You should watch a video on the founding/current state of the Bundeswehr - the German Armed Forces! It would be really interesting to see how you - as an American - would react, since the Troops are very much glorified in the States and the Bundeswehr, is not. Great work ! I am enjoying your vids :D
Hey, the Joke you wanted to have explained is that the band "Die Prinzen" made a song about those people that say "it wasn't all bad" back in the GDR: th-cam.com/video/-yEex5ElsRo/w-d-xo.html
Thinking about your comment about how people in the USA react to the word “Socialist”: I am amused by the thought of what your reaction is going to be to the Italian political parties when you eventually do reactions to stuff about Italy. For most of the post-war period (1948 to 1990), the second most popular party in Italy (consistently getting 20% to 30% of the votes) was the Italian Communist Party. But (particularly in the 1970s and 1980s) it was much more moderate than most “communist” parties. From about 1976 onwards it was actually more moderate than the Labour Party in the UK, and would have been not much different from a lot of people in the left of the Democratic Party in the USA.
17:31 What you say at the end is a really important message for people to hear. While we may have different views about society and politics, we (and the political parties that we allow to represent us) should strive to work together and find solutions that broadly work for everybody. We will never fully agree with each other on most issues, so compromises that incorporate everybody's stances are really the only viable way. Too often in politics, it seems to be just a contest of who is best able to convince others about your own point of view, often by employing questionable tactics such as fearmongering. And thus you have the predictable pattern of different parties being in power over time, each one bent on firstly undoing what the other one has done before, so that things can finally move in the direction that they perceive to be the right one. In Switzerland where I'm from, we even went one step further than many other countries with a multi-party political system by having the executive (the "government") not being formed by whichever party or coalition was victorious in the last general election, but by including all major parties according to their popular support. The prime ministership rotates on a fixed schedule (by consensus of the larger chamber), and there is no publicly elected president of the country. Those who know about it will be familiar with the term "Zauberformel", the Swiss political magic formula. (As a side note, this is not decreed by any law or the constitution, but is a living, evolving consensus reached through years of work by past political figures.) While this system is by no means free of conflict and does tend to result in a very slow moving political process, it has the welcome effect that the major blocks can't become too adversarial with each other because at least one of their own people is always in government having to work with ministers from the other parties on a daily basis. Yes, it's much less exciting than having the circus of a presidential election every four years, but it does lead to a stable system generally trying to find consensus solutions.
13:36 That's not just shocking but shockingly stupid because a German national currency would be about twice as powerful as the Euro is now which at first glance might seem like a good thing "Yay, permanent -50% sale on all imports!" but is actually horrible (considering that we are the third largest exporter in the world only barely behind the US despite only slightly above a quarter of its population) because no matter how great German engineering might be, no-one is going to pay twice as much for it than they're now meaning returning to the _Deutsche Mark_ would be like a cyanide pill for our export driven economy basically killing it on the spot.
Correction: Communism is a classless society. Socialism tries to overcome Capitalism by taking control of the means of production. Socialism can be seen as the path to Communism, thus it can be seen as a part of Communism or Communist ideology. Social Democracy tries to achieve social justice under Capitalism. Many Americans get this wrong: There hasn't been a Communist country yet. Only countries, which are ruled by a Communist party (for example Cuba, USSR). The scandinavian countries such as Finnland and Sweden are Social Democracies.
Hello Joel. I was as impressed by both this video and that video. I laughed when you said hippies, but they have an influence beyond their vote share, due to the way coalitions work. The gap that would be US Republicans is obvious, but when a party tried to fill it, they found themselves outsiders and attracted extremists, which is a bit scary, like your reaction on the header for the video. What at first seems more inclusive ended up excluding for fear of extremism.
My opinion is when I compare our parties to the two in the US. Then the Democrats are a mixture of CDU, FDP and SPD. And the Republicans are a mixture of CDU and AFD. The Trump supporters are AFD and the rest are more CDU.
That was very interesting. From what I heard, I would be much more happy with this kind of political general agreement, and dialogue, than what we have in the U.S. too. And, why does there always have to be this angry fringe that is in love tearing down the rest of us, and embracing Nazism? So disturbing! Thanks for this video, Joel. Hope you have a great day! Peace
The system in germany is not so different. There are more parties here but in reality it is more a 1 vs 1 in our parliament aswell. The 5 parties vs the afd. Sometimes maybe 1 party, mostly linke (ironically) or fdp, spd or cdu then copy ideas and plans from the afd, as an attempt to loose less voters to them. But exept for that its pretty much all parties in the last 10 years have been doing the same and developing in the totally same direction and only the afd is going against them. So we have a 1 vs 1 here aswell and remember only because you are in the parliament in germany it doesnt mean that you have power and are part of the government. If you get 5,0% of votes then you get into the parliament and then the parties have to form a coalition which will become the government. But because of the 1 vs 1 situation, then no party forms a coalition with the afd, even if the afd becomes the biggest party with 30% or something, its still up to the other side if they form a coalition with them. Is that a democratic system? Of course not... But because they make effort to make it look so politically divers with all these different colors people believe they have a democracy but really its mostly also just 1 side vs the other side.
@@HistoryGameV "spotted"? You could have just asked me, i would have told you. Why so arrogant ? so which party to you like? But you are probably not going to say it because voting for cdu, spd, linke, fdp, grüne is embarrassing. And if you vote for grüne, linke or fdp then you are the one who needs to be "spotted" because they have less voters and support than the afd, (spd about to fall behind aswell). Und dieses "boom. spotted the afd voter" hat sowas von stasi mentalität ne... Aber du brauchst afd wähler nicht "spotten", sie sind überall, es ist die 3. Größte Partei aktuell und fehlt auch nicht mehr viel zur 2.Größten. Aber wenn man die Politik nicht kennt und nicht verfolgt kriegt man sowas halt nicht mit.
@@HistoryGameV ausserdem hast auch nichts konstruktives beizutragen ne? Ich schreibe hier ausführlich oben in meinem kommentar und gehe auf die politik ein und du kriegst höchstens einen sinnfreien halbsatz raus? Das ist halt auch der Unterschied zwischen afd wählern und cdu spd grüne etc. Du hast keine argumente, du hast auch kein wissen über die poltik, du kannst nur schreien "ahhh afd ahhh!!!"... Großes mundwerk aber nichts dahinter, keine argumente
So an easy way to think about the difference of socialism and social democracy in the German understanding is that socialism tries to end capitalism (it‘s the opposit to capitalism) whilst social democracy is more of a moderate type of capitalism in which the market is still mostly free, but the government will set up rule frames in which the players on the market have to act and it will soften harsh blows to less fortunate people like the poor, the homeless, disabled people, people without work.
The thing is that socialism is, in fact, the lead-up to communism. At least that's what it was originally "invented" for. So automatically associating socialism with communism isn't wrong. It's just that most Americans don't know what communism is. Communism isn't some sort of dictatorship if we're talking Marxism. Leninism is a different story but in my opinion it's a misinterpretation of Marx' work. The actual concept of communism is radical, yes, but it's not what some people make it out to be. Americans are scared of it because they've been raised with the belief system left over from a war long gone and it's sad to see them grumbling about something they don't understand. I don't think being against communism is bad, I think that being against something you aren't informed about is bad. I wish more Americans actually informed themselves instead of just making communism the scapegoat for everything bad.
the main issue with the german system is that all parties moderate to the degree where they basicly all do the exact same things. The differences between parties have melted away. Yes they SAY different things but one in power, for the last 30 years, they all DO the exact same things no matter what they said they were going to do. Which is why the AfD gains support cause people are fed up with all the other parties doing the same stuff, that they just want SOMETHING different...and the AfD is the only one actually doing something else. And well...that is actually the issue with them, they go way overboard in being different. or as former leader of the Linke Gregor Gysi put it "The issue is that our political parties are all talk and no bite, they never actually do something. So the voter assumes the AfD is all talk as well and nobody thinks they are actually serious...but they are. And once in power, they will actually DO these things and i belive most of their voters dont want that to happen"
16:21 'I'm really intrigued on the AfD.' to understand this you need to consider these factors: #1 with unification in 1990 almost 17m East-Germans joined the country of around 60m West-Germans and they didn't really understand the concept of _western liberal democracy_ after 40yrs living in a one-party socialist police-state. they voted according to their convictions but most of their native parties (which didn't have much of a history to begin with) were quickly absorbed into established west-German parties. their economy was practically dismantled, their qualifications mostly no longer viable and many felt useless and annoyed by snooty, uppity westerners. #2 after elections in 2005 all but one Merkel government were 'grand coalitions' for 12 of their 16yrs where the two biggest parties (CDU and SPD) formed the government. they started with 80% of the seats in the Bundestag (no effective opposition, the power to change the constitution etc) and successive elections often resulted in the same coalition and voters felt no matter what they did, the outcome would be the same. there was no national emergency and sometimes not even a good justification for the two biggest parties to form a government - it was just lazy statecraftsmanship. the result was voters strengthened fringe parties and the two biggest parties went from a combined 80% seats in parliament in 2006 to barely 50% in 2017 with an approval rating of sometimes less than 50% in the following years. #3 while west-Germans tended to strengthen the Greens or Free Democrats the east-Germans who lost faith in both the governing parties and the Left favoured the new rightwing party AfD. every migrant made them uneasy and they didn't like the new economic conditions so everything associated with it like the currency was a target for them
Amazing how it seems like most of the western world (except the USA) has a similar political history with a similar setup where there is a left wing environmentalist Green Party, a Centre-Left (Labour Party), a Centre-Right (Liberal/Conservative) party, and a further Right (National) party. Whilst most of these parties occur within the moderate spectrum (maybe except for the Greens and Nationals), in America, the two parties exist covering the entire/most of the political spectrum, but with more numbers focussed closer to the political fringes as opposed to the centre
when u think about the political system in post ww2 germany - you allways can think of a young constitution, a young system - were forces try iron out mistakesother systems like the uk ore france have
German here ✌️The problem I see with American politics is that the more extreme groups did not split off the main parties and were not forced to exit the Dems and Reps so that’s why they those 2 giant parties are in bitter conflict atm. People with more extreme outlooks are now using those big parties as vehicles to drive their niche politics home, feeling legitimate by virtue of being part of either staple party with the seats. If they were to be forced out into creating their own parties I believe that it would be easily visible that most people see eye to eye on most things and do not want the cultural divide which is being propelled to happen. So if the GOP and DEMs want the survive the 21st century and not be the vehicle to downfall they need to rid themselves of their extremist subgroups.
The whole voting system is oriented towards a 2 party system. They vote FPTP, so only the strongest candidate from each constituency gets a seat. Which means smaller parties will see that they have no chance and merge into the big party they align the most with.
There is as well a new party called Volt. It's a european party, existing in each european country. It's like a movement with a more social liberal profile, but as well important green / climate aspects, which are integrated in other policies for example circuit economy.
Just take in consideration that people describing what a party stands for usually have their own personal opinion and so none of these descriptions are bias-free. This isn't possible coz we're human beings.
In fact we have a very little communist party in Germany called DKP (Deutsche Kommunistische Partei) - German communist party . They had only 15000 votes (of 61 Mio. Voters) at the last Bundestagswahl.
You can compress the republican party in large parts to either the Afd, the right wing economists of the CDU and maybe some into the nationalist liberalists of the FDP. Democrats would be more CDU, SPD and some in FDP and die Grünen (Bernie, AOC for instance). Everything following Trump would be clearly AfD. I dont think anyone would fit into die Linke... The Video was really good and quite objective on the political spectrum.
It's not exactly correct to trace back Die Linke only to the SED/PDS. In fact it's the fusion of the PDS and WASG, which was split of from the SPD in rejection of their neoliberal stance under the leadership of Gerhard Schröder. Nowadays the majority of the members of Die Linke are from the western part of Germany. On the other hand, after the fall of communism, the majority of the members of the other parties in the East supported the political system there during the GDR (then known as the bloc parties). Moreover, it must be added that socialism and social democracy are not separate ideologies, but rather socialism is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, including social democracy and communism, but also others. The reason why Die Linke calls itself socialist is that it sees itself as a rallying movement of the entire left spectrum across political dogmas. In fact, the SPD also refers to socialism in its manifesto. If we look at the AFD, we are indeed dealing with a predominantly fascist party today. However, there were and still are the other wings, especially the original proprietarists, but also monarchists and evangelicals. What unites them is the rejection of democracy and a backward image of society that does not reflect reality.
17:58 European parties will *also* dissagree on *major* topics. But proportional systems tends to reach a balance of power situation where some kind of consensus is built. So for instance in Norway we have both parties that wants to join the EU on both sides of the political spectrum and parties that's are *very* much against joining and wants to avoid anything like that. We even have parties that wants to leave NATO. We have parties that wants to ban abortions and gay marriages etc... But you eventually find what is or isn't possible with the political arithmetic. So for instance with just one party wanting to ban abortions in Norway that's simply not going to happen, so they have to negotiate on things like how late or early abortion is allowed instead etc at most, but honestly it's mostly staying at the current level as that's where the balance of power currently is both between political parties and within them with only a few wanting to liberalize or restrict access to abortion more. Likewise only one party wants to leave NATO, and no one else is even willing to negotiate on that. So we're staying. And we have real communists in our parliament, the type of people that genuinely would like to get rid of money altogether and use a planed economy etc... As long as you agree with fundamental democratic principles you're fine in our system. The difference isn't the amount of dissagreements (the US actually have far less then Europe with parties that's more similar then ours) but rather the incentives of the rules that your parties play by, like your electoral system that discourages cooperation and compromises.
Well. the AFD is gaining a lot of ground lately, and that has multiple reasons. Some vote for them just so the other Parties don´t get their vote. Some are unhappy with the staggering amount of foreigners we welcome in our country (if we even think 40% migrant children in our schools is getting to much, we´re nazis, so why not vote for them). Some see that the AfD throws out members with nazi-ideology, and consider that an effort in the right direction (or should i say left?). Some want to vote for the nazi-party, forgetting that the actual NPD still exists. Some are just DONE with the politicianspeak (where you say 15 sentences without answering a "yes" or "no" question) that all other parties use. Some do not believe the media, so they do the opposite of what the media says they should do. Some are informed voters that want the AfD in the government. Just to name a few. Of course the media says all AfD voters are protest voters. "They don´t really mean it, they just want to give all other parties a wake-up call" Sure, up to 16% of all voters think "I don´t want the AfD to represent me, i just want my real party to wake up" Yea, right. See, the right isn´t the only... direction that likes easy answers. Leftist propaganda is propaganda too.
the main difference is : we have proportional representation !! hence you have to make concessions to get majorities ... that reduces hate, idiology and idiocity ! ( ok not always )
another thing about the german system is that we have a lot of problems with the bigger parties not being very different from each other, and the politicians all being very out of touch. like, it feels as if nothing is getting done and it has been that way for a long time. most of the good laws that actually do something important these days happen on the european level, like just now they announced laws about forcing companies to make it possible for their products to be easily repaired at a fair price so people dont have to buy new devices all the time. and they also just approved a huge support package for ukraine. the eu also has its problems with corruption and corporate influence, but by comparison its a lot better.
... multiple cudos to this guy !!!!!!!! a brilliant exploration aof our political system !! .... and funny 😋😋 This should be a part in your shools to understand other Countrys ... because Americans know NOTHING about other countrys ... onl lives in their stereotypes ... Thank YOU for sharing this vid, bro !! 🤩🤩 Greetings from Germany 🥰
The political system and their parties in Germany is quite wide general compatible with most western continental countries. The conservatives in Denmark, the Netherland, France etc would never advocate the end of universal healthcare for example. No one in continental Europe would advocate for it, even the most left or reigth wing populist parties. There are nuances betwwen the social democrativ parties all around Europe, but the build a European social democratic party for the election to the European Parlament, as would do the Greens in Europe or conservertives and liberal parties. That dosen't mean, that there are not sometimes great differences in certain politicial fields (like atomic power plants: the Greens in the Skandinavic countries want them, and the German Greens under no circumstances). Most european countries have a proportional voting systems, that means allways some parties have to work together to form a coalition, therefore policies could not be so confrontational like in the US or in the UK.
Why I'm not surprised that the AfD is widely misconceptioned. To set this in a more suitable frame: How the guy already explained even to fundamentally criticize the euro is considered by german media and politicians a outstanding and extremist position. The calling of the party nationalistic, racist and fascist already occured when the party was founded and they criticized the financial support of greece and other high-debt mediterranian countries by the ECB (what was by the time partly illegal or in a grey zone) and were even then called racist, supremacistic and so on. The founder who left the party (and he left the party mostly of loosing his leading position to internal concurrents) was a economic professor who gets even then assaulted by students at his university years after he left the party because he was still considered a Nazi. The guy in the Video shows an image of an actual old right Neo-Nazi but the AfD hasn't these optics and is constantly banning people in the last decade since founding who have hid connections to these groups in the past, when they became part of the party. The party is highly immigrant skeptic (from the experience germany made in the last couple of decades and in the recent times), is for reducing the intake of immigrants and refugees (who are illegal in the country, you have to consider that the federal government had simply decided to ignore actual law about refugee to take in around more than one million refugees declared immigrants after 2015) but want to constitute a modern immigration law based on canadian or american green card system to keep people out who came in primarly for wellfare and not willing to integrate themselves into society. You have to consider already this is a far right political believe by german Mainstream standards. Most other positions the AfD has in its voting program and is backbone of their voters political belief system were two decades ago the conservative standard position of the CDU (the conservative german party). Even the late former SPD Chancellor Helmut Schmidt considered in the last decade before his death, that the initial intake of high amounts immigrants in the 60s out of middle eastern countries (Nobody in the AfD talks about Greek, Italian or Spanish immigrants) was mostly a mistake. This is by an more objective point of view not an outstandig or extremist point of view that the AfD has in their politics. But people think that between a left leaning modern conservative party the CDU has become and literally Hitler there are no differences on right side of the political spectrum. In advance the guy is only repeating a frame that is mostly set in place by people, who are in mental opposition to AFD positions and considering Open Borders and giving people easy access to citizenship as a fully regular normal position not any second considering their own an extremistic belief-system. It is like when you call someone in the US a Communist for wanting that all people should be able to afford good education for their kids.
I often have a hard time explaining that the term "socialism" can have a different meaning in Europe than in the United States. I feel like most Americans take the whole ideological package of the political tendency they identify with and tend to reject everything from the others. For example, conservatives are often far more rational than Democrats on certain issues (like some political correct nonsense), but then you hear them deny climate change... :D
Socialism has the same meaning EVERYWHERE!Ask the poeple that live or lived under it!It only means more corruption and destruction of a cultur (or supression of individuals)then in a democracy
The text of the princes in English : But that's all just stolen (eo eo) All this is not mine (eo) It's all just stolen (eo eo) But I only know that by myself (eo) It's all just stolen and stolen, just dragged and stolen Sorry, I took the liberty of doing that (sorry, I took the liberty)
some things about the AfD: it is suspected right-wing extremist by the "Verfassungsschutz" (literally constitution protection, basically the instution that is supposed to protect our constitution) and 3 of the state organisations are right extremist. multiple high ranking politicians are under Verfassungsschutz surveilance, including the partys leader in the state of Thüringen, Bernd Höcke. That guy also called the holocaust memorial in berlin a "memorial of shame". The AfDs top candidate for the eu elections, Maximilian Krah, is a cringe tiktok alpha male, telling young men that they will get girls if they are right-wing and also saying things like "our ancestors werent criminals", pretty clear holocaust denial if you ask me. so yeah most people in the AfD are AT LEAST one of these things: incredibly incompetent, right-wing extremist, straight up nazis, have no problem with nazis in the party, denying or downplaying the holocaust and/or climate change
14:39 I find this statement applicable to somewhere else right now, can you guess where? Joel, can we clone you? Don't lose that ability mate to think & investigate, we all need that now. Your parents I'm certain are very proud of you bud.
It’s not really that Germany would have a more leftish political system than the (European) norm but the American political system is in its entirety Centre right (from our viewpoint) And yeah the afd doesn‘t fit into this but I suppose all progress has enemys …
omg the exact same scene with political parties exists here in greece too, although the economic crisis gave rise to the two most extreme parties of leftists (former gov) and the right wings (neonazis)
It will sadden you to hear that the AFD has made it into the parliament. Even more concerning, they have very recently won two local elections. Germans are very concerned about this development in out society.
AfD are pretty similar to the American Republicans since Trump. The biggest difference is, that the American Republicans have about 4 times more supporters and voters (in percent).........
Left out on the video: every party in German Parliament is entitled to candidate for parliament presidency. As Bundestagspräsident, you have the power to control the debate and to send in the Parliament Police - the security in the parliament is its own police district. The AfD is the only party which was not able to get their president elected, meaning, they're the only party in the parliament without a seat in the presiding council.
When I'm honest what I hear from the two US parties. I would compare the republicans to the AFD and the Democrats to the CDU maybe a little bit combined with the SPD. But in comparison the US Gouvernment is a lot more right winged then the German.
Only the recent most prominent parties were presented. In fact we have much more. Some years ago the Pirates party popped for more digitalization (I think they exist in the Netherlands as well). They grew too fast and in the end they destroyed themselves by losing their identity and too many politicians trying to get more influence in the party. Now they dissappeared for the the most part. Then there is a group of politics that are united under the name free electors (Freie Wähler) which are comparable from their political stand point as the FDP. Bascially for every person there is a party. For regional elections we have even more. The gray panthers who fight for retired people. We have parties for car enthusiasts. I think it would have been interesting as well to explain the difference in the election system as well not only the parties.
Social and socialism is two very different things. The first wants to be fair to all of its citizens in terms of health care and wage, the later wants to take away things and federalize companies.
Btw, the AFD actually has/had a part called "Flügel" (Wing), which was monitored and I think banned by the Verfassungsschutz, a federal agency responsible for securing the constitution of Germany. Last thing I heard was that now the entire party is monitored by them, but take that with a grain of salt. Though they are of great concern, as they are often viewed as N*zis. It's so bad that a court decided that one of their popular working members is allowed to be called a fascist.
In Deutschland wird bald jeder vom Verfassungsschutz beobachtet der nicht auf Regierungslinie ist. 60% der Deutschen haben das Gefühl nicht mehr Frei ihre Meinung sagen zu können.
@@kaffee8168 100% aller Leute hier in meiner Wohnung haben das Gefühl dass du ein dummschwätzer bist welcher mit imaginären prozentzahlen um sich wirft Des weiteren würde mich dann mal deine Meinung interessieren die dir hier verboten wird auszudrücken, gib mir mal ein Beispiel.
That´s not true! The court decided that anyone, not just Höcke, may be called a fascist, since it is just an expression of opinion. So the court didn´t decide that Höcke is a fascist, but that you are allowed to call him such, which is a big difference.
In Baden-Württemberg we have a green head of state in coalition with the CDU.he's not frightening,when ask why he drove the car he drives he answered :the Gouverneur of B-W drives Mercedes, period.
Im German and I liked the beginning of this history behind it he got really good. Even I learned something new. But with the start of explaining afd it endet totaly! It is just too easy to go over that so quickly, media dose that so often here I'm sick of it. It is all about getting together and finding a way for everyone to feel good with. But when so many people don't feel the way all "parteis" ruel the country it must be accepted that some people think different. And mostly I feel all other "parties" don't care about why Germany is rich why Germany is reliable and is what it is. And that is not because we do what we most like we also feel the need to care about stuff like the recycling systems and Pfand systems don't crossing a road by red driving that way and building a rettungsgasse (emergency space on streets) But we need to look after our self's to been able to look after others. So saying not that much refugees and maybe not having a variation of sexes is not that bad. Because it means looking after our own and really important problems and fixing them instead of helping everyone in the world and spending 1000000s of euros for gender stuff that dose not bring us Pease not bring pure children food on their tables.... Sorry for that but it huts my feelings do see that In a flight you should take your own mask before saving someone else because you can't helf them if your dead... So is it in life I can't invite more people than. I'm capable of feeding not for a unknown time period and if I don't know if all fit in to our life's It would be stupid to do so in a family why should we do it in a hole country Anyway... That was emotional sorry but a just had to leave my thoughts here!
Da haben sie sich ja mühe gegeben. Aber vergessen können sie das alles . Selbst wenn die afd hier regieren könnte würde sich nix ändern. Die macht haben doch ganz andere , machen wir uns doch nix vor, diese Demokratie scheiße dient doch nur die Menschen weltweit zu täuschen. So kommen wir nicht weiter . Deutschland bleibt weiter besetzt mittels der amerikanischen Verwaltung mit der beZeichnung brd und so lange der Ami hier nicht abrückt aus europa , komplett, wird die Menschheit weiter verkacken auf diesem Planeten.
15:00 Not only the founder left. Also did those who once dethroned him to become themselves the party leaders, and now even some of those, who then dethroned those party leaders and became the new leaders after them, have left the party because it became too extremist to them. The AfD has its main voter bases in the eastern states, where it competes with the Left, but most of the leaders are immigrants from some western states, especially Hesse.
@@williwass6837 Höcke and Gauland for example are both immigrated from the western state of Hesse. Kubitschek grew up in the (south)western state of BaWü.
@@MichaEl-rh1kv May i ask you where you from?Because its Hessen,not Hesse!And someone that doesnt even know the names of the german states should be very quiet about other things!despite you are right about the whereabouts!But again,they are not immigrants!It seems you even dont know the meaning of this word!so 2 things that make your statements standing on very flimsy feet!
I know Americans think the GOP is the Party on the right and the Dems are on the left. My POV is that the Dems are a right-wing party and the GOP is even more radical right. There's no party in the middle or left in the US. (I never was in the US, however since "the Donald" became President, I check all the details of US politics on a daily basis. And I think, he is definitely the perfect role model for the Dunning-Kruger effect, and sometimes I have the impression that he might have starting dementia, too. But I think "Top Gov" Ron DeSantis is an even much worse politician. He already made a big damage in Florida, and hopefully, he'll never become POTUS!)
'Liberal' has become a toxic term in the US to the point that seemingly its synominous with 'socialist' - which is enough to make most outside observers cringe. In this case, it'd be like lumping the FDP in with Die Linke - staggeringly absurd. (Particularly when you consider how the Social Democrats feel they have more in common with the Liberals than the Left.) Meanwhile the US Republican Party are still far to the right to the AfD as the AfD are not proposing to completely dismantle a regulated healthcare system and whatnot . Still, never believe populist right-wing lunatics can't seize control of a democracy and do lasting harm to the world just because their country has reputation for being freedom- and democracy-loving.
A huge difference between US and German Politic is also the money, that is donated to politicans and Parties by Lobby Groups. This makes German parties more independent.
Great video. Explains the political landscape of Germany very well. I myself am a local politic sitting for the CDU in the „city-Parlament“ (Stadtrat) of my hometown. The conservatives here in Germany would be more like democrats in the US and the AfD (very very right Conservatives) are more like the Republicans. One thing to correct: most Farmers in Germany tend to vote for CDU not for the FDP.
@@m.r4841 The AfD is not a Nazi party. It is just a copy of the CDU 20 years ago. There are people in all parties who are too left or too right. So that's not a valid argument against the AfD, especially after disbanding the "Flügel".
@@m.r4841 CDU party program of 2002: "Bei einer Arbeitslosigkeit von insgesamt fast 6 Millionen Menschen gibt es für Arbeitsmigration nach Deutschland nur in Ausnahmefällen eine Rechtfertigung. Angesichts staatlicher Programme zur Eingliederung Jugendlicher in den Arbeitsmarkt und einer wachsenden Arbeitslosigkeit bei Arbeitnehmern, die älter als 55 Jahre sind, ist mehr Zuwanderung nicht verantwortbar. Die Qualifizierung einheimischer Arbeitskräfte hat Vorrang vor Zuwanderung." "Wir wollen Zuwanderungsanreize für nicht anerkennungsfähige Asylbewerber weiter einschränken. Nur staatliche Verfolgung darf einen Anspruch auf Asyl und Aufenthalt auslösen. Wir werden die verwaltungsgerichtlichen Entscheidungen in Asylverfahren beschleunigen und dazu die gerichtlichen Zuständigkeiten zur Überprüfung von Asylentscheidungen konzentrieren, um den Missbrauch des Asylrechts zu bekämpfen." "Wir werden in das Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz mit den gegenüber der Sozialhilfe niedrigeren Leistungen alle ausländischen Flüchtlinge für die Dauer ihres nur vorübergehenden Aufenthalts einbeziehen. Die Leistungen sollen so ausgestaltet werden, dass von ihnen kein Anreiz ausgeht, nach Deutschland statt in ein anderes europäisches Land zu kommen."
Social democracy/economy is standing between unregulated capitalism and socialism. Both outer systems are kind of brutal. On one side it’s legit to torture people for making money. Slavery would be an extreme form of capitalism. On the other side people are tortured by being unable to have economical success. Social democracy/economy in Germany is based on capitalist principles like free and open markets and the goal to grow and earn money. But it set a regulatory framework at the point where people start being exploited. It’s a bit like the second amendment. You are allowed to own firearms and you may use them under certain circumstances, but you are not allowed to walk the street and shoot random people just because you like to. In the US charity is a big thing. People are proud to gift money to the poor, but as soon as the state tries to organise it, they fear to be restricted in their freedom. We in Germany let the state organise charity and instead of donating to the poor, we pay slightly higher taxes and let the state control where that money goes. Of course that has its flares and from time to time we have to discuss what measures are needed and useful. One of these key features is the universal health care system. Depending on your salary you pay a certain amount into the system to make sure that everybody gets a basic, reasonable medical treatment if needed. But of course you are free to pay extra for special treatments or for an additional private insurance that covers a lot more. The second major pillar is the free educational system. Without depending on luck (grant), every child has the chance to go to university, no matter if your parents can afford your education. But again, this system is regulated. If you’re not good enough in school, you can’t go to university. But if you can, you most likely will earn more money later and pay back in return. If your parents can afford it though, you are free to go to a private university, wich of course is not free.
Huh, I only now noticed that he said socialism can mean "abolishing property". I... don't think that's a thing, actually? I've certainly never heard of it. Did he mistake "private property" for "personal property"? I hear that's a thing people do, since "private property" does sound a lot like it _should_ mean "my private stuff that I own, like my diary and toothbrush"
The AFD draws from several sources. One one level, throughout the history of the democratic (West) Germany after WW II, a few far or extreme right parties have existed like the NPD founded in 1964 that most closely referred back to Nazism*. It briefly entered several regional parliaments in its early years but never the federal parliament. It still exists but gathers only about 1% in federal elections. In the 1980s, two other far-right parties, DVU & Republikaner, were created that in the 1990s made it briefly into several regional parliaments, but again not into the federal parliament. Most of the times, they lost their seats in regional parliaments at the next election, a few times they got re-elected once. Another level is (former) East Germany, for the first two decades after reunification, the PDS/The Left had noticeable success there with roughly 20% of the votes, due to nostalgia but also regional identity and protest, with almost no presence in the former West Germany. In 2007 they merged with a far-left splinter group (of mostly former SPD and labour union members) from the Western half that formed a truly nation-wide party. The third level is that of a protest party, a party people vote for to protest against the system, the established parties, not because they fully agree with that party’s political program. Often such parties don’t have lasting success, because once they sit in parliament their political positions becomes clearer and they are seen as ineffective. The relatively short lived success of the various far right parties falls partly into that category. The AFD has profited from all three categories. It caters to the far-right spectrum of the voting public. It has become the party of the East where it receives 2 to 3 times as many votes (in percentage terms) as in the West. And it profits whenever there is something big to protest about (starting out with bailouts of banks and weaker European countries during the 2009 financial crisis, the 2015 European refugees crisis triggered by the civil wars in Syria and Iraq, the restrictions during the Corona pandemic, most recently somewhat by the economic consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine). *The term Nazi comes from the name of Hitler’s party ‘Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP)’
13:19 And from one pro-Russia party out of historical context to one pro-Putin party out of a distaste of our liberal democratic basic order and democracy in general.
This is easy political stuff. Turkey have 25 party and more weard alliances. Natinalist party and kurdish party in same alliance. Or their ideologies realy different and turkish political history even more weard.
14:40 From the original 18 founding members there's _only a single one left_ in the party, the rest left in disgust of what their original vision has morphed into. And that last founding member would probably not recognize a Nazi if Heinrich Himmler stood right before him in full SS-uniform. I mean the fact that even AfD members of parliament cannot distinguish whether a given statement came from one of the most prominent party heads, Björn "Bernd" Höcke or Adolf Hitler tells you everything you need to know about them. (And no, that's not a bad joke or anything: Following yet another, let's be courteous and say reprehensible statement from Höcke his party colleagues were interviewed and presented with different statements from Höcke and Hitler and were asked to say who the given quote was from. It turned out that even they were unable to distinguish the two in even a remotely reliable fashion).
About the AFD maybe getting power thing. They are expected to be the second or third largest party in the 2025 election. They have continously gained influence over the past years. By now I myself actually consider them a real threat to democracy in germany.
I still have to remind myself of the way things are in the States, sometimes. For example: "Bernie Sanders is a socialist!" I'm thinking: "You make it sound as if that was something bad. Oh, right, USA." Bernie Sanders positions would probably fit very nicely into the SPD, the center left. Maybe they would be on the left wing of the party, but except the nationalization stuff they'd be just standard SPD. And socialised medicine is a matter of course for every party but the most nuts right wing ones. If someone criticises socialised medicine in general in Germany, he comes off as not right in the head. Even the FDP, which is the party of liberals (libertarians for the US) who are not total assholes (aka centrist republicans) wants to deregulate it somewhat but would never want to demolish it. For that you would have to go to the nutter and Nazi parties like the AFD or royalists. As to the AFD: They profit twice from the image of right wing libertarian populism. On the one hand people think they're from the people, they care about us little guys (although they don't give a fuck for the people, kinda like Trump or like the puppets of rich reactionaries that were the Tea Party). On the other hand most of them are Nazis but the populist label makes it less unthinkable to work with them. Gladly the political milieu hasn't really been fooled and the time when other parties might've worked with them in a kingmaker scenario because "They're not nazis, they're populists" are mostly over. But the people on the street are often bamboozled by that mask and so they regularly get between 10% and 20% of the vote.
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7:55 the German Green Party is now so mainstream that (until recently) it was, for a few years, the 2nd most popular party in opinion polls (ahead of the SPD). The current government coalition is sometimes called the “Traffic Light” coalition because it is Red + Green + Yellow (SPD + Green + FDP).
And I cannot take anyone serious voting for the Greens, those right wing extremistic feudalists.
It was popular till they actually came into power😂
Not anymore!
if I'm not completely mistaken he means with "It wasn't all bad" the song of the group the Prinzen that is why the Prinzen stands under it. The song is called in german "Es war nicht alles schlecht".
die prinzen is a well-known band that comes from the former east germany. the members still grew up in the ddr/gdr their career began but only after the turnaround when germany was reunited.
Yup! 😁☝️
Fantastic acapella band.
Correct
It wasn't all bad.... also heard from some Germans after WW2. This is also something "Die Prinzen" are relating to, kind of mocking the "ostalgity" of their fellow country mates.
Social democtats are nor anti capitalist, but wish to soften the negative effects by putting in place social benefits such as free schooling and good health care, as that also strengthens a countrys competetiveness
Right they don't want a socialist society they have socialist values but dont want to achieve it. So they are not socialists or Communists what us Americans most of the time doesn't know doesent want to know or activly undermine so. God night and frandship of a german socialist.
also something like a carbon tax to make clima protection work
The SPD has achived that the minimum wage in Germany now is 12,50 Euro.
But you have to mention that this makes them also very vulnerable to lobbyism. Both the current SPD chancellor and the last one have big accusations of shady deals going on behind closed doors against them.
And many other prominent party members have been known to have more than one face, where suddenly they turn from big enemies of, for example the arms trade, to basically spokespersons for the weapon industry.
Lmao good schooling shouldn't be seen as social welfare, labelling something as welfare just means it's going to get means tested and cut. It's a right, not a social benefit
The thing to remember about the CDU is that all the words in the name have definite meaning in context. Christian Democrat. Democratic Union. Christian Union. In old Germany the mainstream democratic Right was split between Catholic (Centre) and Protestant (People's) parties. CDU founder Konrad Adenauer believed that split had helped the Nazis squeeze through the cracks. So his new party explicitly unified the two older party strains. There had also been rightwing parties (notably the National People's Party) that were skeptical, even hostile, toward the democratic system that replaced the old Monarchy. So the CDU was also an explicit rejection of that.
Another thing to mention is that before there war there was half a dozen liberal parties that split and merged and moved around like crazy. from social liberal to national liberal. The FDP set to unite that whole spectrum into one party. And the CDU absorbed a lot of the moderate right in the early days and split them from the unworkable extremes.
To the point of the difference between socialism and social democracy: at the beginning of the 20th century the SPD was the biggest political party and social movement in Europe spanning views from the far left to the center and beeing a major force in the enperial parliament (Reichstag). The rift started to appear when the SPD approved the war bonds for WW1 in exchange for joining the government thus practically making the war possible. The left wing was opposed to that and split off. The rift deepened after the war with the SPD seeking power and connecting with established fighting off the left wing advances to establish a socialist society. There was literal civil war in the streets. A war cry by the socialist side used to be „wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!“ (who betrayed us? Social Democrats!)
When the Nazis came to power members of both parties where prosecuted. But the rift remained after WWII with the SPD working inside the democratic system and the Left outside of it.
Long story short: Today „die Linke“ isn’t trying to end democracy anymore otherwise they wouldn’t be allowed to participate.
You forget, however, that a large part of the disappointed leftists who left the SPD after 1918 then founded the KPD and became uncritical supporters of Lenin's and Stalin's dictatorship. These Stalinists were then given the task after 1945 in East Germany of transforming the country and society along Soviet lines. No upright Social Democrat could take part in such a thing. I really hope that today's "Die Linke" is immune to any sympathy for dictatorship.
Yes, "Die Linke" is not really socialist, their youth organisations may be and they have some Trotzki fans, but overall they are a wierd mix of "bürgerlicher"(civil) and pseudo-socialist ideology. Most socialist and communist groups in Germany are not connected with the party.
Eine Sache bei der alten SPD ist die Tatsache das sie im Reichstag die einzige linke Partei des kaiserreichs waren und randparteien neigen stärker dazu Flügel zu bilden die weiter auseinander liegen. Was man in den USA an der politischen Breite der Demokraten und Republikaner sehen kann faschistisch über marktlibetal und conservative bei den Demokraten leicht conservative marktlieberale hin zu Sozialdemokraten und sehr gemäßigte Sozialisten.
The Reichstag is called like that no more. Bundestag.
@@tartas1995 During the time period I was talking about (1871-1918) the emperial parliament was called Reichstag.
And now do a "Wahl-O-Mat" quizz to check with wich party your general thoughs align (not for content).
The "Wahl-O-Mat" is service of the Federal Agency for Civic Education where they asked all parties about their opinions of current topics and match their anwsers with yours.
And some parties are playing stupid games with it. Often far right ones. Look it up
Spoiler - the afd (and before their high right shift the now forbidden npd) will always be in your recommended part to some degree - yet when you read the reasoning behind it.. its always mumbo Jumbo.. as they made sure to include everything, yet nothing to a degree you'd want them to be your representative.. unles you are a nazi enthusiast ofc.
@@tartas1995 I noticed that as well, with the far right making some pretty good arguments to lure people in.
A multi-party system is great for its citizens, especially when they have to form coalitions.
A compromise often gets the best results for everyone. And shouldn't a country make it liveable for all its citizens not just for one group?
Not if all parties are shit, which is the case for Germany.
Hahah i smiled so hard on your Comment well you are Right but all our partys are so stupid Even someone with no degree would rule my Country better
@@cantinasmothie7041 >all our partys are so stupid
Nonsense. Grow up.
> Even someone with no degree would rule my Country better
No, they wouldn't. You are ignorant.
Germanys political/economical stance isn't softend socialistic but softend capitalistic. Even so, both US partties would be considered right wing in Germany.
Yeah because germany has drifted to the left toooo much!But AOC right wing?It seems you dont know politics!
I would describe it as free market economy with government regulation and social policies. Basically getting away from either extreme, into a workable, moderate democratic system.
@@williwass6837 AOC is an exception not the norm
@@janaejoaodosacramento9731 Sure,?I know a couple more in the US that are "the exception"🤣Joe Biden right wing? i laugh my ass off!
@@williwass6837 mate democrats are not right wing but they are not socialists either at maximum they are center left
"Die Prinzen" is an East-German music group, and the joke is that Die Prinzen actually means "The Princes", and as Germany doesn't have princes anymore, they reminisce the past cherishly as much as nostalgic people in Germany often do with the monarchy.
The a cappella band "Die Prinzen" was founded in 1991 by former members of the Thomanerchor (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomanerchor) from Leipzig making mostly fun songs as well as the nostalgic, but not entirely serious th-cam.com/video/IddkiZxry_I/w-d-xo.html
The major political parties in Germany is similar to New Zealand as both counties have the same voting system - MMP (Mixed-member proportional representation). New Zealand main centre right party is the National Party, the main centre left party is Labour, The Green party is for environment and social justice and the ACT party is for right wing liberalism. Like with Germany, the Green Party and Labour support each other so do National and ACT. which en essence is 95% of the votes with the remaining votes is fought over by the 2 larger minority parties, being the Maori Party and NZ First.
I want someone to be as invested in me as Joel is about Political Parties in Germany.
10:07 Socialism vs Social Democracy
US - capitalism / individualism = getting a better standard of living each for himself
German - social market economy = getting a better standard of living alltogether for everyone
After WW2 and starting to rebuild Germany, this "Rhinish Capitalism" / Social Market Economy was one of the very fundametal principles of the new republic and the Grundgesetz (aka german constitution / kind of...). Interesting though, it was introduced and pushed through not by communists or socialist but by Konrad Adenauer (CDU).
This is the best explanation video on German politics I‘ve seen so far! Well done. I also liked how he pointed out how ridiculous it sounds for Germans when Americans throw the word socialism around and think they know what that entails. The last real socialist country in the vicinity was the GDR (where I was born).
Really like that you are open to learning a new perspective. 👍❤
"Die Pinzen" is a music band originated from east Germany they had some pieces with quite sarcastic lyrics - "It wasn't all bad" a line out of one of their songs, refers to the time after WWII when some germans use to say "after all, it wasn't that bad" refering to Nazi-Germany
To the AfD: It is really similar in its policies to the Republican party. That is not to say, the policies are good but like on the spectrum (in April 2024):
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The way Joel silenced his critics saying he doesn’t pay attention to the comments. POWER MOVE 🔥
It seems they touched a sore spot.
Social Democracy is Capitalism, with free Healthcare, free Education and publicly owned utilities. Everything else is capitalism. Capitalism works best with a healthy and educated population that can not easily be swayed by existential fear. Social Democracy does not try to overcome capitalism, but to enfranchise as many people as possible into capitalism.
Its mit free at all WE all pay for it.
@@sirbonobo3907 it's not free for the society, but it is free to use at any time for the individual.
@@sirbonobo3907 exactly, those things are tax funded, meaning you can use them when you need to and pay into the box when you are able to.
Hello! I live and was born in Costa Rica, but my parents are Germans. Coming from both these countries and having lived in many different ones I am not only surprised but even angered about the way lot's of ( not all!) US citizens react to the term socialism. Costa Rica is an very socialistic country (we even get that taught in school as a positive aspect) and I take pride in that, because it (mostly) cares for it's citizens, you can see this in the health system (more like Germany's), the educational system (with "free" public education up to university (more like Germany's)) and the multi party system (more like Germany's). It is good to be social, to help each other out and to care for one another... Just saying.
"It wasn't all bad" is a translation from a Songname from the german Band "Die Prinzen" (Yes, they call themself "the Princes" and are a pretty successful band here, and also circa 46 Years old. started as an accappela group in east germany)
You should watch a video on the founding/current state of the Bundeswehr - the German Armed Forces! It would be really interesting to see how you - as an American - would react, since the Troops are very much glorified in the States and the Bundeswehr, is not.
Great work ! I am enjoying your vids :D
I guess youre talking about the Bundeswehr of today!You should clarifie that because the bundeswehr at that time was something different!
Hey, the Joke you wanted to have explained is that the band "Die Prinzen" made a song about those people that say "it wasn't all bad" back in the GDR:
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Yep 😁😆
Thinking about your comment about how people in the USA react to the word “Socialist”: I am amused by the thought of what your reaction is going to be to the Italian political parties when you eventually do reactions to stuff about Italy. For most of the post-war period (1948 to 1990), the second most popular party in Italy (consistently getting 20% to 30% of the votes) was the Italian Communist Party. But (particularly in the 1970s and 1980s) it was much more moderate than most “communist” parties. From about 1976 onwards it was actually more moderate than the Labour Party in the UK, and would have been not much different from a lot of people in the left of the Democratic Party in the USA.
17:31 What you say at the end is a really important message for people to hear. While we may have different views about society and politics, we (and the political parties that we allow to represent us) should strive to work together and find solutions that broadly work for everybody. We will never fully agree with each other on most issues, so compromises that incorporate everybody's stances are really the only viable way.
Too often in politics, it seems to be just a contest of who is best able to convince others about your own point of view, often by employing questionable tactics such as fearmongering. And thus you have the predictable pattern of different parties being in power over time, each one bent on firstly undoing what the other one has done before, so that things can finally move in the direction that they perceive to be the right one.
In Switzerland where I'm from, we even went one step further than many other countries with a multi-party political system by having the executive (the "government") not being formed by whichever party or coalition was victorious in the last general election, but by including all major parties according to their popular support. The prime ministership rotates on a fixed schedule (by consensus of the larger chamber), and there is no publicly elected president of the country. Those who know about it will be familiar with the term "Zauberformel", the Swiss political magic formula. (As a side note, this is not decreed by any law or the constitution, but is a living, evolving consensus reached through years of work by past political figures.)
While this system is by no means free of conflict and does tend to result in a very slow moving political process, it has the welcome effect that the major blocks can't become too adversarial with each other because at least one of their own people is always in government having to work with ministers from the other parties on a daily basis. Yes, it's much less exciting than having the circus of a presidential election every four years, but it does lead to a stable system generally trying to find consensus solutions.
100%
Dang, you missed the final segment of that video where he talks about the CSU party, the Bavarian equivalent of the CDU.
13:36 That's not just shocking but shockingly stupid because a German national currency would be about twice as powerful as the Euro is now which at first glance might seem like a good thing "Yay, permanent -50% sale on all imports!" but is actually horrible (considering that we are the third largest exporter in the world only barely behind the US despite only slightly above a quarter of its population) because no matter how great German engineering might be, no-one is going to pay twice as much for it than they're now meaning returning to the _Deutsche Mark_ would be like a cyanide pill for our export driven economy basically killing it on the spot.
Correction:
Communism is a classless society.
Socialism tries to overcome Capitalism by taking control of the means of production.
Socialism can be seen as the path to Communism, thus it can be seen as a part of Communism or Communist ideology.
Social Democracy tries to achieve social justice under Capitalism.
Many Americans get this wrong: There hasn't been a Communist country yet. Only countries, which are ruled by a Communist party (for example Cuba, USSR).
The scandinavian countries such as Finnland and Sweden are Social Democracies.
Hello Joel. I was as impressed by both this video and that video. I laughed when you said hippies, but they have an influence beyond their vote share, due to the way coalitions work. The gap that would be US Republicans is obvious, but when a party tried to fill it, they found themselves outsiders and attracted extremists, which is a bit scary, like your reaction on the header for the video. What at first seems more inclusive ended up excluding for fear of extremism.
Lucas Bender has lovely animation on the channel.
Thanks ☺️
@@LucasBenderChannel Omg thank you for replying!
Would have been nice to include some election results of the past for reference
My opinion is when I compare our parties to the two in the US. Then the Democrats are a mixture of CDU, FDP and SPD. And the Republicans are a mixture of CDU and AFD. The Trump supporters are AFD and the rest are more CDU.
Nope,you forgot the green party to put them in the democrats(AOC and others like her are a perfect example of the german green party)
That was very interesting. From what I heard, I would be much more happy with this kind of political general agreement, and dialogue, than what we have in the U.S. too. And, why does there always have to be this angry fringe that is in love tearing down the rest of us, and embracing Nazism? So disturbing! Thanks for this video, Joel. Hope you have a great day! Peace
The system in germany is not so different. There are more parties here but in reality it is more a 1 vs 1 in our parliament aswell. The 5 parties vs the afd.
Sometimes maybe 1 party, mostly linke (ironically) or fdp, spd or cdu then copy ideas and plans from the afd, as an attempt to loose less voters to them.
But exept for that its pretty much all parties in the last 10 years have been doing the same and developing in the totally same direction and only the afd is going against them. So we have a 1 vs 1 here aswell and remember only because you are in the parliament in germany it doesnt mean that you have power and are part of the government. If you get 5,0% of votes then you get into the parliament and then the parties have to form a coalition which will become the government. But because of the 1 vs 1 situation, then no party forms a coalition with the afd, even if the afd becomes the biggest party with 30% or something, its still up to the other side if they form a coalition with them. Is that a democratic system? Of course not...
But because they make effort to make it look so politically divers with all these different colors people believe they have a democracy but really its mostly also just 1 side vs the other side.
@@blibla181 And boom, spotted the AfD voter.
@@HistoryGameV "spotted"? You could have just asked me, i would have told you. Why so arrogant ? so which party to you like? But you are probably not going to say it because voting for cdu, spd, linke, fdp, grüne is embarrassing. And if you vote for grüne, linke or fdp then you are the one who needs to be "spotted" because they have less voters and support than the afd, (spd about to fall behind aswell).
Und dieses "boom. spotted the afd voter" hat sowas von stasi mentalität ne... Aber du brauchst afd wähler nicht "spotten", sie sind überall, es ist die 3. Größte Partei aktuell und fehlt auch nicht mehr viel zur 2.Größten. Aber wenn man die Politik nicht kennt und nicht verfolgt kriegt man sowas halt nicht mit.
@@HistoryGameV ausserdem hast auch nichts konstruktives beizutragen ne? Ich schreibe hier ausführlich oben in meinem kommentar und gehe auf die politik ein und du kriegst höchstens einen sinnfreien halbsatz raus?
Das ist halt auch der Unterschied zwischen afd wählern und cdu spd grüne etc. Du hast keine argumente, du hast auch kein wissen über die poltik, du kannst nur schreien "ahhh afd ahhh!!!"... Großes mundwerk aber nichts dahinter, keine argumente
@@HistoryGameV Well you hit that one for sure, little snowflake fits.^^ Instantly triggered the guy.
So an easy way to think about the difference of socialism and social democracy in the German understanding is that socialism tries to end capitalism (it‘s the opposit to capitalism) whilst social democracy is more of a moderate type of capitalism in which the market is still mostly free, but the government will set up rule frames in which the players on the market have to act and it will soften harsh blows to less fortunate people like the poor, the homeless, disabled people, people without work.
The thing is that socialism is, in fact, the lead-up to communism. At least that's what it was originally "invented" for. So automatically associating socialism with communism isn't wrong. It's just that most Americans don't know what communism is. Communism isn't some sort of dictatorship if we're talking Marxism. Leninism is a different story but in my opinion it's a misinterpretation of Marx' work. The actual concept of communism is radical, yes, but it's not what some people make it out to be. Americans are scared of it because they've been raised with the belief system left over from a war long gone and it's sad to see them grumbling about something they don't understand. I don't think being against communism is bad, I think that being against something you aren't informed about is bad. I wish more Americans actually informed themselves instead of just making communism the scapegoat for everything bad.
Because everybody knows that communism doesnt work because of human nature!
the main issue with the german system is that all parties moderate to the degree where they basicly all do the exact same things. The differences between parties have melted away. Yes they SAY different things but one in power, for the last 30 years, they all DO the exact same things no matter what they said they were going to do. Which is why the AfD gains support cause people are fed up with all the other parties doing the same stuff, that they just want SOMETHING different...and the AfD is the only one actually doing something else. And well...that is actually the issue with them, they go way overboard in being different. or as former leader of the Linke Gregor Gysi put it "The issue is that our political parties are all talk and no bite, they never actually do something. So the voter assumes the AfD is all talk as well and nobody thinks they are actually serious...but they are. And once in power, they will actually DO these things and i belive most of their voters dont want that to happen"
And that is surprisingly simiar to how it started in the early 30s
16:21 'I'm really intrigued on the AfD.' to understand this you need to consider these factors:
#1 with unification in 1990 almost 17m East-Germans joined the country of around 60m West-Germans and they didn't really understand the concept of _western liberal democracy_ after 40yrs living in a one-party socialist police-state. they voted according to their convictions but most of their native parties (which didn't have much of a history to begin with) were quickly absorbed into established west-German parties. their economy was practically dismantled, their qualifications mostly no longer viable and many felt useless and annoyed by snooty, uppity westerners.
#2 after elections in 2005 all but one Merkel government were 'grand coalitions' for 12 of their 16yrs where the two biggest parties (CDU and SPD) formed the government. they started with 80% of the seats in the Bundestag (no effective opposition, the power to change the constitution etc) and successive elections often resulted in the same coalition and voters felt no matter what they did, the outcome would be the same. there was no national emergency and sometimes not even a good justification for the two biggest parties to form a government - it was just lazy statecraftsmanship. the result was voters strengthened fringe parties and the two biggest parties went from a combined 80% seats in parliament in 2006 to barely 50% in 2017 with an approval rating of sometimes less than 50% in the following years.
#3 while west-Germans tended to strengthen the Greens or Free Democrats the east-Germans who lost faith in both the governing parties and the Left favoured the new rightwing party AfD. every migrant made them uneasy and they didn't like the new economic conditions so everything associated with it like the currency was a target for them
Amazing how it seems like most of the western world (except the USA) has a similar political history with a similar setup where there is a left wing environmentalist Green Party, a Centre-Left (Labour Party), a Centre-Right (Liberal/Conservative) party, and a further Right (National) party. Whilst most of these parties occur within the moderate spectrum (maybe except for the Greens and Nationals), in America, the two parties exist covering the entire/most of the political spectrum, but with more numbers focussed closer to the political fringes as opposed to the centre
Very very good - and humorous too - explaination!
when u think about the political system in post ww2 germany - you allways can think of a young constitution, a young system - were forces try iron out mistakesother systems like the uk ore france have
This was so entertaining to watch along with you.
German here ✌️The problem I see with American politics is that the more extreme groups did not split off the main parties and were not forced to exit the Dems and Reps so that’s why they those 2 giant parties are in bitter conflict atm. People with more extreme outlooks are now using those big parties as vehicles to drive their niche politics home, feeling legitimate by virtue of being part of either staple party with the seats.
If they were to be forced out into creating their own parties I believe that it would be easily visible that most people see eye to eye on most things and do not want the cultural divide which is being propelled to happen.
So if the GOP and DEMs want the survive the 21st century and not be the vehicle to downfall they need to rid themselves of their extremist subgroups.
The whole voting system is oriented towards a 2 party system. They vote FPTP, so only the strongest candidate from each constituency gets a seat. Which means smaller parties will see that they have no chance and merge into the big party they align the most with.
Enjoyed it :D Like your videos! Keep on reacting! Much love from Germany!
There is as well a new party called Volt. It's a european party, existing in each european country. It's like a movement with a more social liberal profile, but as well important green / climate aspects, which are integrated in other policies for example circuit economy.
Just take in consideration that people describing what a party stands for usually have their own personal opinion and so none of these descriptions are bias-free. This isn't possible coz we're human beings.
In fact we have a very little communist party in Germany called DKP (Deutsche Kommunistische Partei) - German communist party . They had only 15000 votes (of 61 Mio. Voters) at the last Bundestagswahl.
And there is also the MLPD, which is also communist and so far at the fringe that the domestic intelligence service has an eye on them.
He forgot the Danish South Slevig Party, which is the Bundestag with just 1 person.
The true heroes, showing that we do take minorities serious.
A really good video to explain the german political system!
You can compress the republican party in large parts to either the Afd, the right wing economists of the CDU and maybe some into the nationalist liberalists of the FDP.
Democrats would be more CDU, SPD and some in FDP and die Grünen (Bernie, AOC for instance).
Everything following Trump would be clearly AfD.
I dont think anyone would fit into die Linke...
The Video was really good and quite objective on the political spectrum.
It's not exactly correct to trace back Die Linke only to the SED/PDS. In fact it's the fusion of the PDS and WASG, which was split of from the SPD in rejection of their neoliberal stance under the leadership of Gerhard Schröder. Nowadays the majority of the members of Die Linke are from the western part of Germany.
On the other hand, after the fall of communism, the majority of the members of the other parties in the East supported the political system there during the GDR (then known as the bloc parties).
Moreover, it must be added that socialism and social democracy are not separate ideologies, but rather socialism is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, including social democracy and communism, but also others. The reason why Die Linke calls itself socialist is that it sees itself as a rallying movement of the entire left spectrum across political dogmas. In fact, the SPD also refers to socialism in its manifesto.
If we look at the AFD, we are indeed dealing with a predominantly fascist party today. However, there were and still are the other wings, especially the original proprietarists, but also monarchists and evangelicals. What unites them is the rejection of democracy and a backward image of society that does not reflect reality.
17:58
European parties will *also* dissagree on *major* topics.
But proportional systems tends to reach a balance of power situation where some kind of consensus is built.
So for instance in Norway we have both parties that wants to join the EU on both sides of the political spectrum and parties that's are *very* much against joining and wants to avoid anything like that.
We even have parties that wants to leave NATO.
We have parties that wants to ban abortions and gay marriages etc...
But you eventually find what is or isn't possible with the political arithmetic.
So for instance with just one party wanting to ban abortions in Norway that's simply not going to happen, so they have to negotiate on things like how late or early abortion is allowed instead etc at most, but honestly it's mostly staying at the current level as that's where the balance of power currently is both between political parties and within them with only a few wanting to liberalize or restrict access to abortion more.
Likewise only one party wants to leave NATO, and no one else is even willing to negotiate on that.
So we're staying.
And we have real communists in our parliament, the type of people that genuinely would like to get rid of money altogether and use a planed economy etc...
As long as you agree with fundamental democratic principles you're fine in our system.
The difference isn't the amount of dissagreements (the US actually have far less then Europe with parties that's more similar then ours) but rather the incentives of the rules that your parties play by, like your electoral system that discourages cooperation and compromises.
i would find a reaction video cool, where you see a video where americans are asked what they like and what they don't like about germany :D
Well. the AFD is gaining a lot of ground lately, and that has multiple reasons.
Some vote for them just so the other Parties don´t get their vote.
Some are unhappy with the staggering amount of foreigners we welcome in our country (if we even think 40% migrant children in our schools is getting to much, we´re nazis, so why not vote for them).
Some see that the AfD throws out members with nazi-ideology, and consider that an effort in the right direction (or should i say left?).
Some want to vote for the nazi-party, forgetting that the actual NPD still exists.
Some are just DONE with the politicianspeak (where you say 15 sentences without answering a "yes" or "no" question) that all other parties use.
Some do not believe the media, so they do the opposite of what the media says they should do.
Some are informed voters that want the AfD in the government.
Just to name a few.
Of course the media says all AfD voters are protest voters.
"They don´t really mean it, they just want to give all other parties a wake-up call"
Sure, up to 16% of all voters think "I don´t want the AfD to represent me, i just want my real party to wake up"
Yea, right.
See, the right isn´t the only... direction that likes easy answers. Leftist propaganda is propaganda too.
"Die Prinzen" were a german popband from east germany. They are considered pretty cringe these days. They are like the band version of "Dad Jokes"
the main difference is : we have proportional representation !! hence you have to make concessions to get majorities ... that reduces hate, idiology and idiocity ! ( ok not always )
another thing about the german system is that we have a lot of problems with the bigger parties not being very different from each other, and the politicians all being very out of touch. like, it feels as if nothing is getting done and it has been that way for a long time. most of the good laws that actually do something important these days happen on the european level, like just now they announced laws about forcing companies to make it possible for their products to be easily repaired at a fair price so people dont have to buy new devices all the time. and they also just approved a huge support package for ukraine. the eu also has its problems with corruption and corporate influence, but by comparison its a lot better.
... multiple cudos to this guy !!!!!!!! a brilliant exploration aof our political system !! .... and funny 😋😋
This should be a part in your shools to understand other Countrys ... because Americans know NOTHING about other countrys ... onl lives in their stereotypes ...
Thank YOU for sharing this vid, bro !! 🤩🤩
Greetings from Germany 🥰
The political system and their parties in Germany is quite wide general compatible with most western continental countries. The conservatives in Denmark, the Netherland, France etc would never advocate the end of universal healthcare for example. No one in continental Europe would advocate for it, even the most left or reigth wing populist parties. There are nuances betwwen the social democrativ parties all around Europe, but the build a European social democratic party for the election to the European Parlament, as would do the Greens in Europe or conservertives and liberal parties. That dosen't mean, that there are not sometimes great differences in certain politicial fields (like atomic power plants: the Greens in the Skandinavic countries want them, and the German Greens under no circumstances). Most european countries have a proportional voting systems, that means allways some parties have to work together to form a coalition, therefore policies could not be so confrontational like in the US or in the UK.
Why I'm not surprised that the AfD is widely misconceptioned. To set this in a more suitable frame: How the guy already explained even to fundamentally criticize the euro is considered by german media and politicians a outstanding and extremist position. The calling of the party nationalistic, racist and fascist already occured when the party was founded and they criticized the financial support of greece and other high-debt mediterranian countries by the ECB (what was by the time partly illegal or in a grey zone) and were even then called racist, supremacistic and so on. The founder who left the party (and he left the party mostly of loosing his leading position to internal concurrents) was a economic professor who gets even then assaulted by students at his university years after he left the party because he was still considered a Nazi.
The guy in the Video shows an image of an actual old right Neo-Nazi but the AfD hasn't these optics and is constantly banning people in the last decade since founding who have hid connections to these groups in the past, when they became part of the party. The party is highly immigrant skeptic (from the experience germany made in the last couple of decades and in the recent times), is for reducing the intake of immigrants and refugees (who are illegal in the country, you have to consider that the federal government had simply decided to ignore actual law about refugee to take in around more than one million refugees declared immigrants after 2015) but want to constitute a modern immigration law based on canadian or american green card system to keep people out who came in primarly for wellfare and not willing to integrate themselves into society. You have to consider already this is a far right political believe by german Mainstream standards. Most other positions the AfD has in its voting program and is backbone of their voters political belief system were two decades ago the conservative standard position of the CDU (the conservative german party). Even the late former SPD Chancellor Helmut Schmidt considered in the last decade before his death, that the initial intake of high amounts immigrants in the 60s out of middle eastern countries (Nobody in the AfD talks about Greek, Italian or Spanish immigrants) was mostly a mistake. This is by an more objective point of view not an outstandig or extremist point of view that the AfD has in their politics.
But people think that between a left leaning modern conservative party the CDU has become and literally Hitler there are no differences on right side of the political spectrum. In advance the guy is only repeating a frame that is mostly set in place by people, who are in mental opposition to AFD positions and considering Open Borders and giving people easy access to citizenship as a fully regular normal position not any second considering their own an extremistic belief-system. It is like when you call someone in the US a Communist for wanting that all people should be able to afford good education for their kids.
@morejps I would love to know which party you‘d vote for! Fascinating.
I often have a hard time explaining that the term "socialism" can have a different meaning in Europe than in the United States.
I feel like most Americans take the whole ideological package of the political tendency they identify with and tend to reject everything from the others. For example, conservatives are often far more rational than Democrats on certain issues (like some political correct nonsense), but then you hear them deny climate change... :D
Socialism has the same meaning EVERYWHERE!Ask the poeple that live or lived under it!It only means more corruption and destruction of a cultur (or supression of individuals)then in a democracy
The text of the princes in English : But that's all just stolen (eo eo)
All this is not mine (eo)
It's all just stolen (eo eo)
But I only know that by myself (eo)
It's all just stolen and stolen, just dragged and stolen
Sorry, I took the liberty of doing that
(sorry, I took the liberty)
some things about the AfD: it is suspected right-wing extremist by the "Verfassungsschutz" (literally constitution protection, basically the instution that is supposed to protect our constitution) and 3 of the state organisations are right extremist. multiple high ranking politicians are under Verfassungsschutz surveilance, including the partys leader in the state of Thüringen, Bernd Höcke. That guy also called the holocaust memorial in berlin a "memorial of shame". The AfDs top candidate for the eu elections, Maximilian Krah, is a cringe tiktok alpha male, telling young men that they will get girls if they are right-wing and also saying things like "our ancestors werent criminals", pretty clear holocaust denial if you ask me. so yeah most people in the AfD are AT LEAST one of these things: incredibly incompetent, right-wing extremist, straight up nazis, have no problem with nazis in the party, denying or downplaying the holocaust and/or climate change
14:39 I find this statement applicable to somewhere else right now, can you guess where? Joel, can we clone you? Don't lose that ability mate to think & investigate, we all need that now. Your parents I'm certain are very proud of you bud.
It’s not really that Germany would have a more leftish political system than the (European) norm but the American political system is in its entirety Centre right (from our viewpoint)
And yeah the afd doesn‘t fit into this but I suppose all progress has enemys …
yeah and the enemy is not the AfD
omg the exact same scene with political parties exists here in greece too, although the economic crisis gave rise to the two most extreme parties of leftists (former gov) and the right wings (neonazis)
It will sadden you to hear that the AFD has made it into the parliament. Even more concerning, they have very recently won two local elections. Germans are very concerned about this development in out society.
AfD are pretty similar to the American Republicans since Trump.
The biggest difference is, that the American Republicans have about 4 times more supporters and voters (in percent).........
Left out on the video: every party in German Parliament is entitled to candidate for parliament presidency. As Bundestagspräsident, you have the power to control the debate and to send in the Parliament Police - the security in the parliament is its own police district. The AfD is the only party which was not able to get their president elected, meaning, they're the only party in the parliament without a seat in the presiding council.
And that's wonderful.
There is a joke:
"What is the difference between democracy and socialist democracy?
The same as between a chair and an electric chair!"
When I'm honest what I hear from the two US parties. I would compare the republicans to the AFD and the Democrats to the CDU maybe a little bit combined with the SPD. But in comparison the US Gouvernment is a lot more right winged then the German.
You should check out the current state of affairs: We went from 6 to 9 within a year!
in The Netherlands we can choose from 20 parties, a little the same as in Germany ...
here are more then 50.... maybe much more
Only the recent most prominent parties were presented. In fact we have much more. Some years ago the Pirates party popped for more digitalization (I think they exist in the Netherlands as well). They grew too fast and in the end they destroyed themselves by losing their identity and too many politicians trying to get more influence in the party. Now they dissappeared for the the most part. Then there is a group of politics that are united under the name free electors (Freie Wähler) which are comparable from their political stand point as the FDP. Bascially for every person there is a party. For regional elections we have even more. The gray panthers who fight for retired people. We have parties for car enthusiasts. I think it would have been interesting as well to explain the difference in the election system as well not only the parties.
During the 2021 federal election 88 groups wanted to participate and 45 were accepted as parties.
Social and socialism is two very different things. The first wants to be fair to all of its citizens in terms of health care and wage, the later wants to take away things and federalize companies.
Btw, the AFD actually has/had a part called "Flügel" (Wing), which was monitored and I think banned by the Verfassungsschutz, a federal agency responsible for securing the constitution of Germany. Last thing I heard was that now the entire party is monitored by them, but take that with a grain of salt.
Though they are of great concern, as they are often viewed as N*zis. It's so bad that a court decided that one of their popular working members is allowed to be called a fascist.
In Deutschland wird bald jeder vom Verfassungsschutz beobachtet der nicht auf Regierungslinie ist. 60% der Deutschen haben das Gefühl nicht mehr Frei ihre Meinung sagen zu können.
@@kaffee8168 100% aller Leute hier in meiner Wohnung haben das Gefühl dass du ein dummschwätzer bist welcher mit imaginären prozentzahlen um sich wirft
Des weiteren würde mich dann mal deine Meinung interessieren die dir hier verboten wird auszudrücken, gib mir mal ein Beispiel.
@@Irokaj-backwards Sehr gut! 😅
That´s not true! The court decided that anyone, not just Höcke, may be called a fascist, since it is just an expression of opinion. So the court didn´t decide that Höcke is a fascist, but that you are allowed to call him such, which is a big difference.
In Baden-Württemberg we have a green head of state in coalition with the CDU.he's not frightening,when ask why he drove the car he drives he answered :the Gouverneur of B-W drives Mercedes, period.
Im German and I liked the beginning of this history behind it he got really good.
Even I learned something new.
But with the start of explaining afd it endet totaly!
It is just too easy to go over that so quickly, media dose that so often here I'm sick of it.
It is all about getting together and finding a way for everyone to feel good with.
But when so many people don't feel the way all "parteis" ruel the country it must be accepted that some people think different.
And mostly I feel all other "parties" don't care about why Germany is rich why Germany is reliable and is what it is.
And that is not because we do what we most like we also feel the need to care about stuff like the recycling systems and Pfand systems don't crossing a road by red driving that way and building a rettungsgasse (emergency space on streets)
But we need to look after our self's to been able to look after others.
So saying not that much refugees and maybe not having a variation of sexes is not that bad.
Because it means looking after our own and really important problems and fixing them instead of helping everyone in the world and spending 1000000s of euros for gender stuff that dose not bring us Pease not bring pure children food on their tables....
Sorry for that but it huts my feelings do see that
In a flight you should take your own mask before saving someone else because you can't helf them if your dead...
So is it in life I can't invite more people than. I'm capable of feeding not for a unknown time period and if I don't know if all fit in to our life's
It would be stupid to do so in a family why should we do it in a hole country
Anyway... That was emotional sorry but a just had to leave my thoughts here!
Da haben sie sich ja mühe gegeben. Aber vergessen können sie das alles . Selbst wenn die afd hier regieren könnte würde sich nix ändern. Die macht haben doch ganz andere , machen wir uns doch nix vor, diese Demokratie scheiße dient doch nur die Menschen weltweit zu täuschen. So kommen wir nicht weiter . Deutschland bleibt weiter besetzt mittels der amerikanischen Verwaltung mit der beZeichnung brd und so lange der Ami hier nicht abrückt aus europa , komplett, wird die Menschheit weiter verkacken auf diesem Planeten.
The CSU is the Bavarian CDU. Bavaria needs its special features.
„Die Prinzen“ is a band
15:00 Not only the founder left. Also did those who once dethroned him to become themselves the party leaders, and now even some of those, who then dethroned those party leaders and became the new leaders after them, have left the party because it became too extremist to them. The AfD has its main voter bases in the eastern states, where it competes with the Left, but most of the leaders are immigrants from some western states, especially Hesse.
Immigrants fom western states???What shit is that?
@@williwass6837 Höcke and Gauland for example are both immigrated from the western state of Hesse. Kubitschek grew up in the (south)western state of BaWü.
@@MichaEl-rh1kv May i ask you where you from?Because its Hessen,not Hesse!And someone that doesnt even know the names of the german states should be very quiet about other things!despite you are right about the whereabouts!But again,they are not immigrants!It seems you even dont know the meaning of this word!so 2 things that make your statements standing on very flimsy feet!
@@williwass6837 No, it is Hesse, if speaking (or writing) English. Sorry.
Please watch the video from the Black Forest family on German parties
FDP is so small it was below 5% for some years in the last 2 decades^^
You didn't include the link to the original video?
Bernie sanders had a great presentation on fox tv. He was even cheered by the audience
Bernie Sanders is great. Sadly the US is not ready yet for Bernie’s views
I know Americans think the GOP is the Party on the right and the Dems are on the left. My POV is that the Dems are a right-wing party and the GOP is even more radical right. There's no party in the middle or left in the US.
(I never was in the US, however since "the Donald" became President, I check all the details of US politics on a daily basis. And I think, he is definitely the perfect role model for the Dunning-Kruger effect, and sometimes I have the impression that he might have starting dementia, too. But I think "Top Gov" Ron DeSantis is an even much worse politician. He already made a big damage in Florida, and hopefully, he'll never become POTUS!)
'Liberal' has become a toxic term in the US to the point that seemingly its synominous with 'socialist' - which is enough to make most outside observers cringe. In this case, it'd be like lumping the FDP in with Die Linke - staggeringly absurd. (Particularly when you consider how the Social Democrats feel they have more in common with the Liberals than the Left.) Meanwhile the US Republican Party are still far to the right to the AfD as the AfD are not proposing to completely dismantle a regulated healthcare system and whatnot . Still, never believe populist right-wing lunatics can't seize control of a democracy and do lasting harm to the world just because their country has reputation for being freedom- and democracy-loving.
It would actually be like lumping the FDP with the Socialist Unity Party, but yes
A huge difference between US and German Politic is also the money, that is donated to politicans and Parties by Lobby Groups. This makes German parties more independent.
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@@aaron5809 I never Said, there IS no lobbying in Germany. But compared to the US , it is only a fraction.
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the Black Forest Family did an excellent video on this, just this week.
@@sangfroidian5451 yes 👍
Great video. Explains the political landscape of Germany very well. I myself am a local politic sitting for the CDU in the „city-Parlament“ (Stadtrat) of my hometown. The conservatives here in Germany would be more like democrats in the US and the AfD (very very right Conservatives) are more like the Republicans. One thing to correct: most Farmers in Germany tend to vote for CDU not for the FDP.
Says a CDU partie member!Keep your lies for yourself!Or your denial of reality!Stadtrat is the first stage of CDU and OLDPARTIE corruption!
This guys representation of the AfD is complete BS
How?
@@m.r4841 The AfD is not a Nazi party. It is just a copy of the CDU 20 years ago. There are people in all parties who are too left or too right. So that's not a valid argument against the AfD, especially after disbanding the "Flügel".
@@ulladoctrina7152 Such nonsense 🤣🤣
@@m.r4841 Look into the current party program of the AfD and the party program of the CDU 20 years ago before calling my comment "nonsense".
@@m.r4841 CDU party program of 2002:
"Bei einer Arbeitslosigkeit von insgesamt fast 6 Millionen Menschen gibt es für Arbeitsmigration nach Deutschland nur in Ausnahmefällen eine Rechtfertigung. Angesichts staatlicher Programme zur Eingliederung Jugendlicher in den Arbeitsmarkt und einer wachsenden Arbeitslosigkeit bei Arbeitnehmern, die älter als 55 Jahre sind, ist mehr Zuwanderung nicht verantwortbar. Die Qualifizierung einheimischer Arbeitskräfte hat Vorrang vor Zuwanderung."
"Wir wollen Zuwanderungsanreize für nicht anerkennungsfähige Asylbewerber weiter einschränken. Nur staatliche Verfolgung darf einen Anspruch auf Asyl und Aufenthalt auslösen. Wir werden die verwaltungsgerichtlichen Entscheidungen in Asylverfahren beschleunigen und dazu die gerichtlichen Zuständigkeiten zur Überprüfung von Asylentscheidungen konzentrieren, um den Missbrauch des Asylrechts zu bekämpfen."
"Wir werden in das Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz mit den gegenüber der Sozialhilfe niedrigeren Leistungen alle ausländischen Flüchtlinge für die Dauer ihres nur vorübergehenden Aufenthalts einbeziehen. Die Leistungen sollen so ausgestaltet werden, dass von ihnen kein Anreiz ausgeht, nach Deutschland statt in ein anderes europäisches Land zu kommen."
Social democracy/economy is standing between unregulated capitalism and socialism.
Both outer systems are kind of brutal. On one side it’s legit to torture people for making money. Slavery would be an extreme form of capitalism. On the other side people are tortured by being unable to have economical success.
Social democracy/economy in Germany is based on capitalist principles like free and open markets and the goal to grow and earn money. But it set a regulatory framework at the point where people start being exploited. It’s a bit like the second amendment. You are allowed to own firearms and you may use them under certain circumstances, but you are not allowed to walk the street and shoot random people just because you like to.
In the US charity is a big thing. People are proud to gift money to the poor, but as soon as the state tries to organise it, they fear to be restricted in their freedom.
We in Germany let the state organise charity and instead of donating to the poor, we pay slightly higher taxes and let the state control where that money goes. Of course that has its flares and from time to time we have to discuss what measures are needed and useful. One of these key features is the universal health care system. Depending on your salary you pay a certain amount into the system to make sure that everybody gets a basic, reasonable medical treatment if needed. But of course you are free to pay extra for special treatments or for an additional private insurance that covers a lot more. The second major pillar is the free educational system. Without depending on luck (grant), every child has the chance to go to university, no matter if your parents can afford your education. But again, this system is regulated. If you’re not good enough in school, you can’t go to university. But if you can, you most likely will earn more money later and pay back in return. If your parents can afford it though, you are free to go to a private university, wich of course is not free.
Huh, I only now noticed that he said socialism can mean "abolishing property". I... don't think that's a thing, actually? I've certainly never heard of it. Did he mistake "private property" for "personal property"? I hear that's a thing people do, since "private property" does sound a lot like it _should_ mean "my private stuff that I own, like my diary and toothbrush"
abolishing private ownership of the means of production.
The AFD draws from several sources. One one level, throughout the history of the democratic (West) Germany after WW II, a few far or extreme right parties have existed like the NPD founded in 1964 that most closely referred back to Nazism*. It briefly entered several regional parliaments in its early years but never the federal parliament. It still exists but gathers only about 1% in federal elections. In the 1980s, two other far-right parties, DVU & Republikaner, were created that in the 1990s made it briefly into several regional parliaments, but again not into the federal parliament. Most of the times, they lost their seats in regional parliaments at the next election, a few times they got re-elected once.
Another level is (former) East Germany, for the first two decades after reunification, the PDS/The Left had noticeable success there with roughly 20% of the votes, due to nostalgia but also regional identity and protest, with almost no presence in the former West Germany. In 2007 they merged with a far-left splinter group (of mostly former SPD and labour union members) from the Western half that formed a truly nation-wide party.
The third level is that of a protest party, a party people vote for to protest against the system, the established parties, not because they fully agree with that party’s political program. Often such parties don’t have lasting success, because once they sit in parliament their political positions becomes clearer and they are seen as ineffective. The relatively short lived success of the various far right parties falls partly into that category.
The AFD has profited from all three categories. It caters to the far-right spectrum of the voting public. It has become the party of the East where it receives 2 to 3 times as many votes (in percentage terms) as in the West. And it profits whenever there is something big to protest about (starting out with bailouts of banks and weaker European countries during the 2009 financial crisis, the 2015 European refugees crisis triggered by the civil wars in Syria and Iraq, the restrictions during the Corona pandemic, most recently somewhat by the economic consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine).
*The term Nazi comes from the name of Hitler’s party ‘Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP)’
13:19 And from one pro-Russia party out of historical context to one pro-Putin party out of a distaste of our liberal democratic basic order and democracy in general.
This is easy political stuff. Turkey have 25 party and more weard alliances. Natinalist party and kurdish party in same alliance. Or their ideologies realy different and turkish political history even more weard.
The video is a bit longer and presents the csu.
14:40 From the original 18 founding members there's _only a single one left_ in the party, the rest left in disgust of what their original vision has morphed into.
And that last founding member would probably not recognize a Nazi if Heinrich Himmler stood right before him in full SS-uniform.
I mean the fact that even AfD members of parliament cannot distinguish whether a given statement came from one of the most prominent party heads, Björn "Bernd" Höcke or Adolf Hitler tells you everything you need to know about them. (And no, that's not a bad joke or anything: Following yet another, let's be courteous and say reprehensible statement from Höcke his party colleagues were interviewed and presented with different statements from Höcke and Hitler and were asked to say who the given quote was from. It turned out that even they were unable to distinguish the two in even a remotely reliable fashion).
When the right wing party becomes so right wing that the founding members leave, we have a problem.
Ohh boy if he thinks that is confusing I don't recommend him watching balkan political partys.
About the AFD maybe getting power thing. They are expected to be the second or third largest party in the 2025 election. They have continously gained influence over the past years. By now I myself actually consider them a real threat to democracy in germany.
Socialism existed before Karl Marx was born (so did communism but that gets super complicated)
To compare: GOP betwen CDU and AFD, Democrata betwen and CDU and Liberal.
I still have to remind myself of the way things are in the States, sometimes. For example: "Bernie Sanders is a socialist!" I'm thinking: "You make it sound as if that was something bad. Oh, right, USA."
Bernie Sanders positions would probably fit very nicely into the SPD, the center left. Maybe they would be on the left wing of the party, but except the nationalization stuff they'd be just standard SPD. And socialised medicine is a matter of course for every party but the most nuts right wing ones. If someone criticises socialised medicine in general in Germany, he comes off as not right in the head. Even the FDP, which is the party of liberals (libertarians for the US) who are not total assholes (aka centrist republicans) wants to deregulate it somewhat but would never want to demolish it. For that you would have to go to the nutter and Nazi parties like the AFD or royalists.
As to the AFD: They profit twice from the image of right wing libertarian populism. On the one hand people think they're from the people, they care about us little guys (although they don't give a fuck for the people, kinda like Trump or like the puppets of rich reactionaries that were the Tea Party). On the other hand most of them are Nazis but the populist label makes it less unthinkable to work with them. Gladly the political milieu hasn't really been fooled and the time when other parties might've worked with them in a kingmaker scenario because "They're not nazis, they're populists" are mostly over. But the people on the street are often bamboozled by that mask and so they regularly get between 10% and 20% of the vote.