It's now 1 month since I bought the Nio Es8 after selling my Tesla model x. What is very good about the ES8 is comfort and especially driving comfort. Perfect suspension and very little noise both from road and wind. Battery swap is ingenious in that you do not have to think about the condition of the battery and and it is quick to change. But perhaps the most important thing for many of us who have bought the car is that the car is not outdated by later and better generations of batteries. Nio is committed to ensuring that later generations of batteries are compatible with the current version of Nio. It is the constant development of better batteries that reduces the price of used cars, but with this tecno this will be way much better.
@@karlmartyn9316 For those of us who ordered the car before March 1, there are 6 times / 600kw battery swap for free every month. If the car is ordered now, there are 2 free awap every month. Then pay 10 euros for the swap and 0.20 euros kW.
Indeed. There are Model S with dead batteries already. Battery replacement sets you back 20k - which makes a dead Tesla worthless. A 10 year old NIO with BAAS will still have its value since the battery can be swapped any time. Never out of warranty.
Great video. Most of Tesla users are not aware of the battery replacement cost, which can be from $16K-$26K after they are out of their warranties. Battery degradation is another problem they will face. Battery replacement has numerous advantages for users, as long as NIO can keep it financially feasible for its business operation. Please do not forget that NIO does offer regular charging option too.
The battery is also the most expansive component in an EV. If by choosing the battery swap plan the car is cheaper, I think it could help push EVs in a big way.
Battery replacement is the future I think, I have a ES6 in China and the battery swap is nice because I don’t want to feel bad when it eventually needs to be replaced. Also it’s nice to go from 10% to 95% in like 4 mins with the swap stations
I've got an older version of NIO ES8 in China. The most interesting thing is NIO provide many after market upgrades for the old models. For example, the chipset on my ES8 is very old, it is running slower than the newest chipset. And the cameras on my older ES8 is not very clear. NIO now provides me a chance to upgrade the chipset and all cameras on my old ES8 for about 1300USD.
@@zhe8586 wow stunning car I’ve just had a look. Different to anything I’ve seen on the roads. If it’s not too much out of budget it would be on shortlist
@@kks319 jepp 😎 been with me 36 days and driven 6000km already. Business class to drive. When the long range battery comes out, the car will be more the perfect. Only negative is the front bushes are a little weak on bumpe roads because it’s a big car, and brakes could be a little bigger. But all in all great car. And I drive a lot. Ps not taxi driver😂😂
I live in Chicago, last nov. I bought an ID4, but that was a substitute for ES8, after realizing Nio may never come to the US... sigh! I am so envious of you!
When will Italia get this. I'm just so tired of the same cars I see here day in and day out. BMW, Mercedes, fiat, alfa. Good cars but u want this amazing car.
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Chinese industry spionage in EU and the US and the fact that China is a dictature that wouldn´t mind if Russia invaded Europe is forgotten. Westeners are soo easily decieved in the lust for consumtion and cheap thrills.
agreed - Hammond is a waste of space, Clarkson & May amusing but too extreme and tangential to automotive journalism VBH & Plato...charming and relevant :)
Chinese EV's are so kickass...just waoo...!! Their build quality is so much better than Tesla..they give look and feel of a high end vehicle...the build quality... design..the elegance ... simply amazing..!!
I like that kind of companies that tries to make you enjoy EV, not like the "You have no choice, otherwise you will all die" companies. The battery swap and Nomi, i love that.
In China, a pure electric car can run 500 kilometers, only 20,404.54 - 24,550.60 US dollars. So BYD sells crazy, not to mention BYD hybrid cars, which consume 3-4L of fuel per 100 kilometers, which is a little more expensive than pure electric cars.
Do you seriously think the U.S. (who effectively arrested the CEO of a Chinese 5G company IN CANADA) would ever allow Chinese penetration of their EV market?
😮 now a robotic automatic battery removal and reinstall, That's very very impressive to see, Just goes to show that sometimes we think things aren't moving forwards and then a reminder like this comes along 🏅😎
In terms of depreciation this is a game changer because with ev's battery degradation is a major depreciation point. Yes the body will have some degradation but the bulk worries will be gone.
Also as the battery technology will advance in the future you'll get automatic upgrades because they'll just keep making better batteries compatible to the old cars.
Better take Chinese cars seriously now folks. No more of cheap junk and copy cats stuff. This car seems to be put together well, the tech is excellent an that battery swap machine was fluid and precise. I'd prefer one of their sedans but and am not crazy about the way the assistant looks but this thing works well. And the whole thing about charging taking a long time is solved here. The only issue is how long do you have to wait for your turn for a battery swap.
The Nomi assistant is a paid optional feature. According to NIO, you don't have to wait at all for batteries to be charged. There are a total of 13 batteries inside the Gen 2 swap station, and the full charge takes less than one hour. If there are less than 13 people in front of you, then you will have a full battery no doubt. If there are more than 13 people in line, then the battery swapped out from the first guy's car will be charged in full when it's your turn. You can check how many people are in line for battery swaps before you head to the station.
But they are Chinese. Purchase a Chinese car, and you, whether you like it or not, are supporting the China government (CCP). China is not a country we should be supporting. The Uighur Muslims are a great example, but just the tip of the evil iceberg.
I'd buy it just for Nomi. Plus the interior is miles better than anything Tesla is currently producing or could ever hope to produce if todays styling is anything to go on.
@Mr. ENERGY Tesla has never monopolized electric vehicles in China. In recent months, the sales volume of BYD brand is several times that of Tesla. The production and sales of electric vehicles in China exceed the sum of all other countries in the world.
@@freddybell8328 that is hilarious. you must think a burger taste better than a proper stake. tesla is the poor men's upscale car. it has nothing to do with luxury.
then you will be the first to realize that this is an out of date, blind alley concept - do you seriously expect several billion dollars worth of complex automated stations and stockpile of batteries to magically suddenly materialize???
Just imagine if this technology was THE industry standard. Regardless of make or model, the battery was the same (in maybe 3 sizes) every current petrol station was the battery swap station (along with a carwash and toilets/ shop/ fast food outlet. Bish bash bong, you leave the car to do its thing in the automated battery swap and optional car wash, while you either sit in it, nip to the loo or shop.
It was tried before by Renault and it never really worked; building the stations is incredibly expensive, so you would be driving an extra fifty miles to get to the swap station and you get no guarantee that you're not swapping your 100% capacity battery for a 75% capacity one. When a rapid charge only takes fifteen minutes (during which you can go for a cup of tea and a wee) there's not enough benefit.
@@littlebluepanda394 Actually I changed my mind, from "it is a gimmick" to it is ok.. In Shenzhen are now over 30 charging stations, then you go over 1000km with only swapping batteries. That means you can use the full range. And not only charging from 5%-80%. I am going to make a 1000km test-drive, when the lockdowns and restrictions are over.
@@_TrueDesire_ What would I know, I've only driven EVs for the last six years, eh? Yes, if you want to go from zero to 80% then you're looking at 20-30 minutes, but when was the last time that you ran your car down to zero? A normal rapid stop for me is as long as it takes to get a cup of tea and go for a whizz and when I come back I'm at 75% - 85% and I'm on my way. Also winter has no real effect on charge rate in most EVs because they have battery conditioning (Nissan's Leaf is the big exception there). You've never even driven an EV, have you?
@@littlebluepanda394 I've driven/leased Leaf 2019, old Ioniq, Kona, i3 2017 and i3S all took around 40 minutes going from around ~10--80%. Those 15 minutes belong solely to the 800V cars and Teslas when they are very low. edit: even my 2022 i3S when it's around 3C outside like it was today can take 5-7 minutes before ramping up. just last week it took 45 minutes going from 8% to 85% (it's pretty much at 93% the i3S drops with its tiny battery).
NIO is an amazing company. I'm proud to be an investor and I can't wait for them to come to Canada! Battery swap and Baas will be global in the next 3-5 years. Go NIO! Great video👍
Only in your dreams. As much as I love NIO, the company will not enter North America or let's put it this way... North America will not let them enter in the market.
@@ronaldchan3401 NIO are already in the US. Their vehicle systems are developed in San Jose, California. Design happens in Munich and when they launch in North America, it is most certainly with locally produced vehicles. US is one of the 25 new markets planned by 2025.
Following NIO since 2019. By far the most competitive EV brand worldwide. Once Bat Swap comes in your country there is no other EV to pick. Money is a must 😎🤭👍
I love fifth gear. No one does it like they do… fun, informative, and entertaining. But in regards to this vehicle, I’m blown away. The idea of the battery change is innovative. Very cool.
Doubt the current US gov't will allow a Chinese company sell their product, even if it creates jobs in US. This stupid political and economic war is causing everyday people from enjoying the finer things in life.
Batteries swaping will be from the past when you will charge 80% of you battery in 10-15 mn. Also making swapping station infrastructure is veeery expensive, and won´t be possible at scale.
I have been asking this question for a while now, not about recharging but about replacing at end of life, why not just put a giant removable battery on the bottom of the car - But hey, it works for both.
I like the fact they reviewed the car rather talking about the stock I live in Dubai and I was planning to buy a new car in 2023 but I will wait for a year or two to buy an electric car. My first option will be NIO if they will have agency here.
there are hundreds of chinese EV options out there. i personally like: Hongqi e-hs9/Hongqi concept Ora good cat/ Ora punk cat HiPhi x/HiPhi z ZEEKR 001 NIO es6/es8/et7/ep9 XPENG p5/p7/g3 LI AUTO one BYD han ev/tang ev ARCFOX gt
and this is why i’ve invested in Nio …. 10x better than Tesla , you also have Nio holidays , Nio coffee house , Nio clothing , Nio wine club …..never a better time to invest in Nio …. share price is $16 … some analysts predict it to go to $500 in the next 5yrs
If an auxiliary cord can power the car while charging that would be great. As passenger can still enjoy the infotainment systems, and keep the A/C running.
It's so beautiful nio car and so many advanced tech and quality built, most importantly, as time goes by, the new battery come out and you don't necessary spend any penny to buy another car simply because the new batteries fit current model, that's amazing.
Namely NIO and Xpeng. Their little interactive A.I is excellent in Chinese in their home market. Faster response than anything I've seen before. Though when converted to English, it's a bit slower.
th-cam.com/video/_nqOseVjxl0/w-d-xo.html this is probably the fastest reacting A.I I've seen in a car. How real is it in the real world I do not know. This is Xpeng.
Its known as BAAS (Battery as a service). There are close to a 1000 NIO battery swap stations in China today with over 7 million battery swaps completed in China to date. So no its not a idea its a reality and in use today.
OMG 😱 that is a potential game changer. I can’t get my head around the battery swap though. I’m guessing that you’re effectively leasing a battery because you could be recharged with a battery that’s, let’s say, not as new and efficient but that you’ll never have to worry about a battery in the lifetime of the vehicle 🤔 Love the car though and the tech looks amazing 👍👍
That's correct it's a lease service. The initial price of the car is much lower as you don't buy the battery and you then pay a monthly subscription, price depending on what type of battery you want (range, speed etc).
Leasing or owning the battery are both options.. Leasing the battery lowers the initial cost of the vehicle by $10k USD, & the lease agreement is $150/mo for the 75kwh pack.... All NIO owners are entitled to 6 free swaps per month, & NIO maintains the batteries & have already phased out 2 packs.. the 84kwh & 70kwh packs are already being phased out & the 75, 100, & later this year the 150kwh pack will be available..
Regarding the battery swap, from what understand, you either choose to buy the battery with the car (~$10k extra), or you buy the car without the battery (~$10k less) then subscribe to Nio's battery swap package and pays ~$150/month.
This is amazing but I have So many questions…. 1) is there an charging alternative to the battery change where the battery swap isn’t available? 2) how long do the extracted batteries take to charge? 3) what happens if the changed battery is a dud? Ie dead cells 4) what’s the cost per battery swap? 5) what happens if the battery swap installation fails? Mechanical breakdown, misalignment etc
1. Yes, you can still charge the car in a charging station. 2. About 1 hour. 3. You can swap it back, if anything wrong with battery, the station can detect it and notify NIO to take it out. The system is very advanced. 4. You get 4-6 free swaps and you pay electricity cost plus service charge. Ask a NIO fellow for detail, it varies based on where you are. 5. At this moment, there is always an attendant on site to help with questions, in the future you might have to call NIO if anything breakdown.
how about water safety? battery pack that is swappable is not as tightly sealed as non-swappable ones? similar to smartphone that dont allow u to swap its battery but allow u to dip it in the water. does neo have a detailed report on water safety? thanks
In China, a pure electric car can run 500 kilometers, the cheapest one only 20,404.54 - 24,550.60 US dollars. How much money you spend on your Polestar 2 ?
i ordered a brand new ET7 recently, with 4 Orin X chips from NVIDIA that provides over 1000 TOPS hashrate and all the sensors the car equips it will support real automatic driving very soon. NIO is the future.
NIO's battery swap plan is much better than super charger plans. Here's why. 1. battery swap station needs less power than super charge stations. because battery swap stations contains several batteries which can store energy. thus it does not need to charge the battery when user swap. it can charge them at lower speed or at night. So battery swap station plan will perform less impact on the electric grid, which makes it easier to find a proper place. 2. maybe nobody believes the battery swap station is cheaper than a high voltage super charge station.
Mmmm, if they are only trickle charged, then how long before the battery is ready for refitting in a vehicle? How many fully charged batteries are on-hand at a station for swapping? How many batteries can be swapped per hour in a sustained cycle. More detailed information missing from this video.
@@Analytical_Visionary .... the very reason that I watch these TH-cam channels.... to learn, however many are devoid of information that their viewers seek in favor of egotistical flaunting. Such as this video, which gave very little pertinent information about the subject matter.
THIS is how the ENTIRE automotive industry should be. The dealer experience, the technology, subscription based cars which ENTIRELY remove the worry of battery degradation. They should offer car insurance and bundle the cost of the car loan, cost of the battery as a service, and cost of insurance all in one. This doesn't just speak to the younger generation, this SCREAMS at us. I mean seriously, with this business model, if they run it right (and it looks like they are) then this IS the future. Electrical grid stress: eliminated. You can charge the swapped batteries after peak load. Range/longevity anxiety: completely eliminated with the BAAS thing Pricing: insanely competitive. Mark my words, in 10 years, this will be the EV norm. And if it isn't, it should be.
Mark my words it will not be. To explain why, just do a thought experiment about how this actual works in the real world. How many swap stations you need, how many vehicles can be swapped at a time, how many spare packs you need etc. It might take 5 mins, but if there's a queue of 3 cars then that's actually 20 mins, at which point you might as well have just charged normally. New EVs can add a lot of range in just 15 mins charging from say 10% or less SoC, with time that's likely to improve further and make battery swap even less viable
@@patmanrick I think you missed a key detail. They still offer normal EV charging. While some people will use the swap stations (say for trips) other's can use the EV charging stations. And plus, with a little bit of software tweaking, you can do mobile queues. Check in on the way, first in line when you get there. Or it can tell you what time to show up given the current queue. All it takes is a little cooperation and a little software.
@@jessefloyd4835 mobile queue still doesn't work for the same reason that physical queues don't. You get a queue because there is insufficient bandwidth to service vehicles that need servicing, that doesn't change if people use an app. The thing with the swap stations is that they're expensive and so you can't have many, so it's not practical to be given a slot to use them (becase if you're on a long journey you can't easily just adjust your arrival time because you can't speed up much and slowing down just negates the speed advantage of the swap. The exception is if you use them in a city because you can't charge at home. But if that is the case, then you only need to charge once a week anyway and sitting at a fast charger for 40 mins and watching Netflix or whatever once a week probably isn't a massive issue for most people, vs driving further to use a swap station. Its not hard to imagine that on average a swap station would be 10 minutes drive further than a fast charger, because having the same number would be prohibitively expensive, so then you're negating 20 mins of benefit immediately. And it's so expensive. You need to have loads of packs just sitting around in addition to those in cars. There's already a commodity shortage and supply chain constraints in cell manufacturing, it's just not economical to start making extra packs that won't sit in vehicles. Yes, it's a good option for consumers, yes people can also charge normally, but it's highly unlikely to become widely adopted IMO
Was originally Tesla's idea & they tested one station back in 2014 I believe in California in an affluent area.. Tesla dropped it & NIO went with it.. Much better in high density areas like big cities in China where having a charger in their high rise parking stall isn't an option.. Also NIO supports regular charging, fast charging, power truck option, as well as swapping.. Seems that they have all of their bases covered, like no other EV company!!
Nio is excellent... The ES8 and even its little sister the ES6 are fantastic vehicles. Only drawback: too big (both of them). Too long, too high, too wide for many super urban areas of Shanghai where I live. perfect for suburbia if you have large driveway, garage and don't go into areas with narrow streets, narrow access to underground carparks
@@gadgetgasspoll got a Tesla Model 3 and Xpeng G3. Tesla has one thing is they allow you to switch language in all market. so you can run a Tesla in China with English or French OS. when i looked at NIo they couldnt but then they also weren't selling abroad then. but Nio and even Xpeng are better build quality
@@gadgetgasspoll we used our Tesla again today after 2 months mothballed because of lockdown. battery state of charge no problem. but for 4th time in 18 months, fuse / switch for front left window shorted.... this is incredible. never had such problems with any other car and since Tesla windows need to move up and down this is very annoying....
@@fologbenga1149 EC6 is same dimension as ES6. ET7 also big. I got an automated hydraulic parking spot (Japanese style) that stacks cars up. basically beyond model 3 no EV goes in. almost all too wide. and also another issue is that wheelbase is much longer because they push wheels at both extremities. so a traditional car with same length as model s can fit
This should be standard across the EV World, we should have several choices to charge our car. Plug in at home, plug in at work or we simply swap out the battery when we're in the hurry. I hate being constraint by charging time when you're in the rush,i know you should plan ahead of your journey but sometimes things came up and you just need to go. Battery swap should be standard across EVs.
Induction charging is the future. Charge plate at home and public charge plates wherever you park. As soon as you park the car will ask charge yes or no and this is the price per kW, if you say yes your billed for the power you use.
I am a Model X raven owner, and I still want to have a NIO, since NIO has a power swapping station only 2KM away from my home, bare in mind that my home town is NOT a big city in China. we have one tesla supercharge station and two nio power swapping stations in my hometown (2022-July-15), Let's see how many more are gonna be here in this small city a few years later.
What a great take on EVs. It's not like the Tesla in your face shouting "WE'RE DIFFERENT!". This is way more subtle but can go to great heights in terms of tech if you want.
Great idea.. but what about standardization and mass adoption of those Nio baterries? So you dont need to have swap stations for every EV brand which decides to go with baterries swaps? That will be a big leap forward. Also swap stations will need to be quite big to serve multiple cars at once, so will need more space and additional space for the empty baterries to store and charge. Great idea, but still many practical "but"s .
Tesla started the battery swapping but couldn't setup enough stations. Another problem. Are you getting a new battery or a used battery each time. What is the cost of the swap. etc etc. And how many stations will there be. If you want to use this across the country.
They never set up a station. They just showed it at his events. This guy went to that station and all they had there was a bunch of super chargers powered by diesel generators. th-cam.com/video/35NT_ZSbik8/w-d-xo.html
How will that work with left and right hand drive cars ? the battery swap still no difference ? especially if you travel to Europe from the Uk or vice verser ? Will they sell the cars and have the stations in the UK ?
So my Q is maybe an obvious one but how long before a topped up battery needs replacing and if it comes to the UK where will these recharge centres be located - in every major City?
I think battery swapping would also be ideal in motorsports scenarios especially for Le Mans. If we can make EV batteries smaller, lighter with more energy density then that would be ideal.
@@saimonarnet5015 Quite an assumption to make considering you have never met me , typical of someone of a limited engineering background it seems. A perfectly reasonable question my electric vehicle friends thought. It could be a very good idea, but years away yet.
Kindly do you know if the battery is liquid cool because I think it would make it more difficult when changing it automatically without loosing any fluid?
actually tesla only win in the market outside china hence there're almost no competition for them outside china. in china, they are just average player.. even BYD sell more premium electric car in china. tesla after sales service are suck compare to other brand too.. they just good at commercial.
It's now 1 month since I bought the Nio Es8 after selling my Tesla model x. What is very good about the ES8 is comfort and especially driving comfort. Perfect suspension and very little noise both from road and wind. Battery swap is ingenious in that you do not have to think about the condition of the battery and and it is quick to change. But perhaps the most important thing for many of us who have bought the car is that the car is not outdated by later and better generations of batteries. Nio is committed to ensuring that later generations of batteries are compatible with the current version of Nio. It is the constant development of better batteries that reduces the price of used cars, but with this tecno this will be way much better.
The innovation on battery replace/maintenance make NIO the most starring one in all EVs
Fantastic concept , what is the cost of a battery change ?
@@karlmartyn9316 For those of us who ordered the car before March 1, there are 6 times / 600kw battery swap for free every month. If the car is ordered now, there are 2 free awap every month. Then pay 10 euros for the swap and 0.20 euros kW.
Indeed. There are Model S with dead batteries already. Battery replacement sets you back 20k - which makes a dead Tesla worthless. A 10 year old NIO with BAAS will still have its value since the battery can be swapped any time. Never out of warranty.
CCP tracking you.
Great video. Most of Tesla users are not aware of the battery replacement cost, which can be from $16K-$26K after they are out of their warranties. Battery degradation is another problem they will face. Battery replacement has numerous advantages for users, as long as NIO can keep it financially feasible for its business operation. Please do not forget that NIO does offer regular charging option too.
For 26K USDs you can buy a very good ev sedan in China (I repeat very good).
Somesay, the best product Tesla ever made was its stock(before Elon Musk started selling)
The battery is also the most expansive component in an EV. If by choosing the battery swap plan the car is cheaper, I think it could help push EVs in a big way.
Battery replacement is the future I think, I have a ES6 in China and the battery swap is nice because I don’t want to feel bad when it eventually needs to be replaced. Also it’s nice to go from 10% to 95% in like 4 mins with the swap stations
Elon Musk passed the battery replacement/recycling costs onto his Tesla customers for a financially-motivated reason. I Twitter you not!
I've got an older version of NIO ES8 in China. The most interesting thing is NIO provide many after market upgrades for the old models. For example, the chipset on my ES8 is very old, it is running slower than the newest chipset. And the cameras on my older ES8 is not very clear. NIO now provides me a chance to upgrade the chipset and all cameras on my old ES8 for about 1300USD.
Now this is the first electric car that has actually excited me
You should check out the NIO lineup then. My fav is the NIO ET7.
@@zhe8586 wow stunning car I’ve just had a look. Different to anything I’ve seen on the roads. If it’s not too much out of budget it would be on shortlist
@@joshhancill7273 If you want a cheaper one, go for Nio ET5 :)
Getting my Nio in 3 weeks time🤩
Wow.. did you get it?
@@kks319 jepp 😎 been with me 36 days and driven 6000km already. Business class to drive.
When the long range battery comes out, the car will be more the perfect.
Only negative is the front bushes are a little weak on bumpe roads because it’s a big car, and brakes could be a little bigger. But all in all great car. And I drive a lot. Ps not taxi driver😂😂
@@XRP-all-to-the-maxwhat was the wait time in total?
@@sudarsankunde4862 to buy, about three weeks. The setup I wanted was in stock so I grabbed it.
I live in Chicago, last nov. I bought an ID4, but that was a substitute for ES8, after realizing Nio may never come to the US... sigh! I am so envious of you!
had a ES6 for a year, best car ever. ordering my ET7 now
welcome to zeekr001
have you gotten ur ET7 yet?
ES6 OWENER， waiting for ET5 for my wife
Waiting for et7 in the UK
When will Italia get this. I'm just so tired of the same cars I see here day in and day out. BMW, Mercedes, fiat, alfa. Good cars but u want this amazing car.
a lot of respect for Nio. They are investing so much in battery as service concept. I hope their success continues facing the tense EV competition.
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Chinese industry spionage in EU and the US and the fact that China is a dictature that wouldn´t mind if Russia invaded Europe is forgotten. Westeners are soo easily decieved in the lust for consumtion and cheap thrills.
israel did this before more then 10 years no success either the concept. all the battery change places are standing close
This is why Fifth Gear is THE BEST car show... just pure journalism by two legends! Jason barely aged in 20 years... And VBH is still stunning 😍
agreed - Hammond is a waste of space, Clarkson & May amusing but too extreme and tangential to automotive journalism
VBH & Plato...charming and relevant :)
@@davidstuart4915 nah, top gear better.
Nah, top gear better.
"Stunning" is an over the top description.
@@Alan_GA well I've had a crush on her for the last 20 years... she'll always be stunning to me 🥰
Chinese EV's are so kickass...just waoo...!!
Their build quality is so much better than Tesla..they give look and feel of a high end vehicle...the build quality... design..the elegance ... simply amazing..!!
Hongqi E-HS9 👍
Why do you think Tesla can cut their prices over and over again, too much profits in there.
I like that kind of companies that tries to make you enjoy EV, not like the "You have no choice, otherwise you will all die" companies. The battery swap and Nomi, i love that.
Omg. Now I’m interested in electric cars. This is amazing. ❤️❤️
In China, a pure electric car can run 500 kilometers, only 20,404.54 - 24,550.60 US dollars. So BYD sells crazy, not to mention BYD hybrid cars, which consume 3-4L of fuel per 100 kilometers, which is a little more expensive than pure electric cars.
Do you seriously think the U.S. (who effectively arrested the CEO of a Chinese 5G company IN CANADA) would ever allow Chinese penetration of their EV market?
The little robot is adorable. The fact that it looks in your direction when you speak to it makes it feel more interactive and immersive
we need this in USA asap
😮 now a robotic automatic battery removal and reinstall, That's very very impressive to see, Just goes to show that sometimes we think things aren't moving forwards and then a reminder like this comes along 🏅😎
In terms of depreciation this is a game changer because with ev's battery degradation is a major depreciation point. Yes the body will have some degradation but the bulk worries will be gone.
Real-life Tesla Battery info shows that after 150k miles, the battery capacity is at 90% of the original capacity.
There are no worries about battery depreciation so not sure what your point is…..
well you can leave the battery in and charge with a cable then. but the option is always there for a battery swap as battery tech improves
@@wrutherfordx3x 10% degradation & more worry than any NIO owner would incur. ✅
Also as the battery technology will advance in the future you'll get automatic upgrades because they'll just keep making better batteries compatible to the old cars.
Interesting to see that in Europe...we really need this
It’s on sale in some European countries. Too bad we can only envy in US, the politics won’t allow us to buy one here.
Better take Chinese cars seriously now folks. No more of cheap junk and copy cats stuff. This car seems to be put together well, the tech is excellent an that battery swap machine was fluid and precise. I'd prefer one of their sedans but and am not crazy about the way the assistant looks but this thing works well. And the whole thing about charging taking a long time is solved here. The only issue is how long do you have to wait for your turn for a battery swap.
The Nomi assistant is a paid optional feature.
According to NIO, you don't have to wait at all for batteries to be charged.
There are a total of 13 batteries inside the Gen 2 swap station, and the full charge takes less than one hour.
If there are less than 13 people in front of you, then you will have a full battery no doubt.
If there are more than 13 people in line, then the battery swapped out from the first guy's car will be charged in full when it's your turn.
You can check how many people are in line for battery swaps before you head to the station.
My friend Chinese products . They have from cheaper and expensive depending how you want to spend the money 😆
But they are Chinese. Purchase a Chinese car, and you, whether you like it or not, are supporting the China government (CCP). China is not a country we should be supporting. The Uighur Muslims are a great example, but just the tip of the evil iceberg.
@@KCL2021 So agree!
This car was around 4 years already in China, and without needing change any tech and trim,
Ok I’ll admit that little avatar Nomi is freaking adorable.
I'd buy it just for Nomi. Plus the interior is miles better than anything Tesla is currently producing or could ever hope to produce if todays styling is anything to go on.
@Mr. ENERGY Tesla has never monopolized electric vehicles in China. In recent months, the sales volume of BYD brand is several times that of Tesla. The production and sales of electric vehicles in China exceed the sum of all other countries in the world.
This interior isn't as near as good as a Model S or X interior try again.
@@freddybell8328 bro, are you American? 😄
@@freddybell8328 that is hilarious. you must think a burger taste better than a proper stake. tesla is the poor men's upscale car. it has nothing to do with luxury.
@@qilu2004 He is just typical American.
NIO is a game changer; I cannot wait until we see the ET5 in North American. I will be first in line
The CEO is a pragmatic visionary.
I will be second. Just hope it will be soon.
then you will be the first to realize that this is an out of date, blind alley concept - do you seriously expect several billion dollars worth of complex automated stations and stockpile of batteries to magically suddenly materialize???
@@davidstuart4915 Remember, you can always charge it. I am sure NIO can put a few exchange stations in California and NY.
@@wsurfer2147 indeed..and yes....a few..
Hope they’ll bring the ET7 to Europe too as it’s the one that will make us forget about Tesla and the like
ET5 will be better
@@gadgetgasspoll Whatever Nio does will be very welcome
@@gadgetgasspoll 我也非常的喜欢et5
@@gadgetgasspoll U will see zeekr001
Shipment of ET7 is on its way to Europe from China right now ;)
Just imagine if this technology was THE industry standard. Regardless of make or model, the battery was the same (in maybe 3 sizes) every current petrol station was the battery swap station (along with a carwash and toilets/ shop/ fast food outlet.
Bish bash bong, you leave the car to do its thing in the automated battery swap and optional car wash, while you either sit in it, nip to the loo or shop.
It was tried before by Renault and it never really worked; building the stations is incredibly expensive, so you would be driving an extra fifty miles to get to the swap station and you get no guarantee that you're not swapping your 100% capacity battery for a 75% capacity one. When a rapid charge only takes fifteen minutes (during which you can go for a cup of tea and a wee) there's not enough benefit.
@@littlebluepanda394 Actually I changed my mind, from "it is a gimmick" to it is ok..
In Shenzhen are now over 30 charging stations, then you go over 1000km with only swapping batteries. That means you can use the full range. And not only charging from 5%-80%.
I am going to make a 1000km test-drive, when the lockdowns and restrictions are over.
@@littlebluepanda394 rapid charging is 30-50 minutes don't try to fool people 😅 winter kills charge rate, or anything below +5C really.
@@_TrueDesire_ What would I know, I've only driven EVs for the last six years, eh? Yes, if you want to go from zero to 80% then you're looking at 20-30 minutes, but when was the last time that you ran your car down to zero? A normal rapid stop for me is as long as it takes to get a cup of tea and go for a whizz and when I come back I'm at 75% - 85% and I'm on my way. Also winter has no real effect on charge rate in most EVs because they have battery conditioning (Nissan's Leaf is the big exception there). You've never even driven an EV, have you?
@@littlebluepanda394 I've driven/leased Leaf 2019, old Ioniq, Kona, i3 2017 and i3S all took around 40 minutes going from around ~10--80%. Those 15 minutes belong solely to the 800V cars and Teslas when they are very low.
edit: even my 2022 i3S when it's around 3C outside like it was today can take 5-7 minutes before ramping up. just last week it took 45 minutes going from 8% to 85% (it's pretty much at 93% the i3S drops with its tiny battery).
NIO is an amazing company. I'm proud to be an investor and I can't wait for them to come to Canada! Battery swap and Baas will be global in the next 3-5 years. Go NIO! Great video👍
Only in your dreams. As much as I love NIO, the company will not enter North America or let's put it this way... North America will not let them enter in the market.
couldn’t of said it better. ! Love NIO
@@niosanfrancisco Let's go !! NIO 🚀🚀
@@ronaldchan3401 NIO are already in the US. Their vehicle systems are developed in San Jose, California. Design happens in Munich and when they launch in North America, it is most certainly with locally produced vehicles. US is one of the 25 new markets planned by 2025.
I wanna know when NIO can be available in US
Following NIO since 2019. By far the most competitive EV brand worldwide. Once Bat Swap comes in your country there is no other EV to pick. Money is a must 😎🤭👍
I love fifth gear. No one does it like they do… fun, informative, and entertaining. But in regards to this vehicle, I’m blown away. The idea of the battery change is innovative. Very cool.
Ok that battery swap was amazing
this is Amazing! I want a NIO, Come to America!
supposedly by 2025
Doubt the current US gov't will allow a Chinese company sell their product, even if it creates jobs in US. This stupid political and economic war is causing everyday people from enjoying the finer things in life.
Can't wait to buy one in the USA. I am welling to stand in line for a whole day to get it :)
If it ever sells, most likely not going to have a swapping option.
Such an awesome car and honest review.
The battery swap is the future and the interior is just mind blowing considering it be a newcomer in EU market.
The interior is soooo damn classy and elegance!
NIO IS A 100% chinese company ! CHINA IS A FASCIST TOTALITARIAN REGIME !
That battery swap _thing_ is pure outside-of-the-box thinking and can revolutionize the electric car market! Very impressive!
ikr. It literally cuts upwards of 40 minutes of charging in a station.
Batteries swaping will be from the past when you will charge 80% of you battery in 10-15 mn. Also making swapping station infrastructure is veeery expensive, and won´t be possible at scale.
I love this video. First time hearing NOMI speak English!
Good review, well done to you both , great duo.
The battery swapping is certainly interesting, especially for delivery vehicles and taxis!
Great video, thank you for sharing! 🔌⚡🚘
it's a game changer for us not having access to over night/after work charging.
I have been asking this question for a while now, not about recharging but about replacing at end of life, why not just put a giant removable battery on the bottom of the car - But hey, it works for both.
NOMI is the game changer in my opinion , it really makes you want to interact with the car making it a more personal experience
NIO is a champ, their vehicles are pure beauty and I like all the colours they come in. $NIO
I like the fact they reviewed the car rather talking about the stock
I live in Dubai and I was planning to buy a new car in 2023 but I will wait for a year or two to buy an electric car. My first option will be NIO if they will have agency here.
The X-Peng P7 is another awesome EV
Just saw BYD seal, it looks amazing.
there are hundreds of chinese EV options out there. i personally like:
Hongqi e-hs9/Hongqi concept
Ora good cat/ Ora punk cat
HiPhi x/HiPhi z
ZEEKR 001
NIO es6/es8/et7/ep9
XPENG p5/p7/g3
LI AUTO one
BYD han ev/tang ev
ARCFOX gt
Thanks for a great video guy, I really enjoyed this review 💪
and this is why i’ve invested in Nio …. 10x better than Tesla , you also have Nio holidays , Nio coffee house , Nio clothing , Nio wine club …..never a better time to invest in Nio …. share price is $16 … some analysts predict it to go to $500 in the next 5yrs
That is very cool, be interesting to see how feasible it is on a large scale.
They’re already all over China...
Over 8mil NIO battery swaps!! Is that large scale enough for you? Actually it is over 10m swaps.. Is that large scale enough for you?
You're right, it's very cool! It's going to be exciting to see how this deploys large scale over the rest of the world
@@ThePhosophorus
All over? What even in rural areas? At night?
@@kb9072 At night is no problem, they have lights ✅ & they can put them up at any of their partners Shell gas stations
If an auxiliary cord can power the car while charging that would be great. As passenger can still enjoy the infotainment systems, and keep the A/C running.
NIO is not just an EV company....its a community.
I loooove the look of this!
That battery recharge is just next genius. Why isn't everyone doing this?
This is amazing. Can't wait to have it here.
It's so beautiful nio car and so many advanced tech and quality built, most importantly, as time goes by, the new battery come out and you don't necessary spend any penny to buy another car simply because the new batteries fit current model, that's amazing.
Standardise battery packs, so it doesn't matter what brand of car you've got, and the world would swap over in no time at all
one advantage of battery swapping is that the battery can be charged at a relatively slow pace so that the super fast charging wont damage them
you got the point!
We need more Chinese cars in the UK. So many great EV's!
Namely NIO and Xpeng. Their little interactive A.I is excellent in Chinese in their home market. Faster response than anything I've seen before. Though when converted to English, it's a bit slower.
th-cam.com/video/TJiyaIapab0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/_nqOseVjxl0/w-d-xo.html this is probably the fastest reacting A.I I've seen in a car. How real is it in the real world I do not know. This is Xpeng.
It will be banned like Huawei due to national security concern. LOL
I just like the Nomi thing... remind me of knight rider kit
When will Li L9 be available in Europe,particularly Belgium
Like the look of this!! And the battery swap seems like an excellent idea.
Its known as BAAS (Battery as a service). There are close to a 1000 NIO battery swap stations in China today with over 7 million battery swaps completed in China to date. So no its not a idea its a reality and in use today.
OMG 😱 that is a potential game changer. I can’t get my head around the battery swap though. I’m guessing that you’re effectively leasing a battery because you could be recharged with a battery that’s, let’s say, not as new and efficient but that you’ll never have to worry about a battery in the lifetime of the vehicle 🤔
Love the car though and the tech looks amazing 👍👍
That's correct it's a lease service. The initial price of the car is much lower as you don't buy the battery and you then pay a monthly subscription, price depending on what type of battery you want (range, speed etc).
Leasing or owning the battery are both options.. Leasing the battery lowers the initial cost of the vehicle by $10k USD, & the lease agreement is $150/mo for the 75kwh pack.... All NIO owners are entitled to 6 free swaps per month, & NIO maintains the batteries & have already phased out 2 packs.. the 84kwh & 70kwh packs are already being phased out & the 75, 100, & later this year the 150kwh pack will be available..
Regarding the battery swap, from what understand, you either choose to buy the battery with the car (~$10k extra), or you buy the car without the battery (~$10k less) then subscribe to Nio's battery swap package and pays ~$150/month.
This is amazing but I have So many questions….
1) is there an charging alternative to the battery change where the battery swap isn’t available?
2) how long do the extracted batteries take to charge?
3) what happens if the changed battery is a dud? Ie dead cells
4) what’s the cost per battery swap?
5) what happens if the battery swap installation fails? Mechanical breakdown, misalignment etc
1. Yes, you can still charge the car in a charging station.
2. About 1 hour.
3. You can swap it back, if anything wrong with battery, the station can detect it and notify NIO to take it out. The system is very advanced.
4. You get 4-6 free swaps and you pay electricity cost plus service charge. Ask a NIO fellow for detail, it varies based on where you are.
5. At this moment, there is always an attendant on site to help with questions, in the future you might have to call NIO if anything breakdown.
how about water safety? battery pack that is swappable is not as tightly sealed as non-swappable ones? similar to smartphone that dont allow u to swap its battery but allow u to dip it in the water. does neo have a detailed report on water safety? thanks
Can’t wait until it’s available in the UK, would be an ideal second EV buy after our Polestar 2 here🤞👍
In China, a pure electric car can run 500 kilometers, the cheapest one only 20,404.54 - 24,550.60 US dollars. How much money you spend on your Polestar 2 ?
Norway already enjoying this
I can't wait to that gorgeous car comes to Colombia. As a disclaimer I own 8888 shares of NIO.
i ordered a brand new ET7 recently, with 4 Orin X chips from NVIDIA that provides over 1000 TOPS hashrate and all the sensors the car equips it will support real automatic driving very soon. NIO is the future.
NIO's battery swap plan is much better than super charger plans. Here's why. 1. battery swap station needs less power than super charge stations. because battery swap stations contains several batteries which can store energy. thus it does not need to charge the battery when user swap. it can charge them at lower speed or at night. So battery swap station plan will perform less impact on the electric grid, which makes it easier to find a proper place. 2. maybe nobody believes the battery swap station is cheaper than a high voltage super charge station.
Made in China is not just about making bathroom accessories but also quality and top range technology now
05:10 JP is like an exiteable puppy sometimes...
I’m guessing those charging stations trickle charge the battery packs under perfect thermal conditions, elongating the life of them? Brilliant.
Mmmm, if they are only trickle charged, then how long before the battery is ready for refitting in a vehicle?
How many fully charged batteries are on-hand at a station for swapping?
How many batteries can be swapped per hour in a sustained cycle.
More detailed information missing from this video.
@@David-bl1bt its called ‘do your own research?’
@@Analytical_Visionary .... the very reason that I watch these TH-cam channels.... to learn, however many are devoid of information that their viewers seek in favor of egotistical flaunting.
Such as this video, which gave very little pertinent information about the subject matter.
Great video thanks 👍
Absolutely brilliant
I really really hope this comes to the US. I'm getting that ES8 the first day it's available.
I spotted one on 680 yesterday. ;-)
Have you seen the ET7?
es7 will be more better！！and i fking need this in Canada
I really love this Nio. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🇰🇷
love those two 😊
THIS is how the ENTIRE automotive industry should be. The dealer experience, the technology, subscription based cars which ENTIRELY remove the worry of battery degradation. They should offer car insurance and bundle the cost of the car loan, cost of the battery as a service, and cost of insurance all in one. This doesn't just speak to the younger generation, this SCREAMS at us. I mean seriously, with this business model, if they run it right (and it looks like they are) then this IS the future.
Electrical grid stress: eliminated. You can charge the swapped batteries after peak load.
Range/longevity anxiety: completely eliminated with the BAAS thing
Pricing: insanely competitive.
Mark my words, in 10 years, this will be the EV norm. And if it isn't, it should be.
Mark my words it will not be. To explain why, just do a thought experiment about how this actual works in the real world. How many swap stations you need, how many vehicles can be swapped at a time, how many spare packs you need etc. It might take 5 mins, but if there's a queue of 3 cars then that's actually 20 mins, at which point you might as well have just charged normally. New EVs can add a lot of range in just 15 mins charging from say 10% or less SoC, with time that's likely to improve further and make battery swap even less viable
@@patmanrick I think you missed a key detail. They still offer normal EV charging. While some people will use the swap stations (say for trips) other's can use the EV charging stations. And plus, with a little bit of software tweaking, you can do mobile queues. Check in on the way, first in line when you get there. Or it can tell you what time to show up given the current queue. All it takes is a little cooperation and a little software.
@@jessefloyd4835 mobile queue still doesn't work for the same reason that physical queues don't. You get a queue because there is insufficient bandwidth to service vehicles that need servicing, that doesn't change if people use an app. The thing with the swap stations is that they're expensive and so you can't have many, so it's not practical to be given a slot to use them (becase if you're on a long journey you can't easily just adjust your arrival time because you can't speed up much and slowing down just negates the speed advantage of the swap. The exception is if you use them in a city because you can't charge at home. But if that is the case, then you only need to charge once a week anyway and sitting at a fast charger for 40 mins and watching Netflix or whatever once a week probably isn't a massive issue for most people, vs driving further to use a swap station. Its not hard to imagine that on average a swap station would be 10 minutes drive further than a fast charger, because having the same number would be prohibitively expensive, so then you're negating 20 mins of benefit immediately.
And it's so expensive. You need to have loads of packs just sitting around in addition to those in cars. There's already a commodity shortage and supply chain constraints in cell manufacturing, it's just not economical to start making extra packs that won't sit in vehicles.
Yes, it's a good option for consumers, yes people can also charge normally, but it's highly unlikely to become widely adopted IMO
Ford, Apple or Windows should have thought of the battery swap. It's cool a "non-player" figured it out.
Was originally Tesla's idea & they tested one station back in 2014 I believe in California in an affluent area.. Tesla dropped it & NIO went with it.. Much better in high density areas like big cities in China where having a charger in their high rise parking stall isn't an option.. Also NIO supports regular charging, fast charging, power truck option, as well as swapping.. Seems that they have all of their bases covered, like no other EV company!!
Nio is excellent... The ES8 and even its little sister the ES6 are fantastic vehicles. Only drawback: too big (both of them). Too long, too high, too wide for many super urban areas of Shanghai where I live. perfect for suburbia if you have large driveway, garage and don't go into areas with narrow streets, narrow access to underground carparks
You need some Wuling mini ev or BYD dolphin 🤭
EC6.....
@@gadgetgasspoll got a Tesla Model 3 and Xpeng G3. Tesla has one thing is they allow you to switch language in all market. so you can run a Tesla in China with English or French OS. when i looked at NIo they couldnt but then they also weren't selling abroad then. but Nio and even Xpeng are better build quality
@@gadgetgasspoll we used our Tesla again today after 2 months mothballed because of lockdown. battery state of charge no problem. but for 4th time in 18 months, fuse / switch for front left window shorted.... this is incredible. never had such problems with any other car and since Tesla windows need to move up and down this is very annoying....
@@fologbenga1149 EC6 is same dimension as ES6. ET7 also big. I got an automated hydraulic parking spot (Japanese style) that stacks cars up. basically beyond model 3 no EV goes in. almost all too wide. and also another issue is that wheelbase is much longer because they push wheels at both extremities. so a traditional car with same length as model s can fit
Beautiful car. I can't wait until this comes to the UK, I need that range. Most electric cars have shit range, very shit range.
This should be standard across the EV World, we should have several choices to charge our car. Plug in at home, plug in at work or we simply swap out the battery when we're in the hurry. I hate being constraint by charging time when you're in the rush,i know you should plan ahead of your journey but sometimes things came up and you just need to go.
Battery swap should be standard across EVs.
Induction charging is the future. Charge plate at home and public charge plates wherever you park. As soon as you park the car will ask charge yes or no and this is the price per kW, if you say yes your billed for the power you use.
I am a Model X raven owner, and I still want to have a NIO, since NIO has a power swapping station only 2KM away from my home, bare in mind that my home town is NOT a big city in China. we have one tesla supercharge station and two nio power swapping stations in my hometown (2022-July-15), Let's see how many more are gonna be here in this small city a few years later.
4:42 indeed! BRAVO 👏👏👏
please please please please please come to the UK ASAP!!!!
the battery swapping blows my mind
What a great take on EVs. It's not like the Tesla in your face shouting "WE'RE DIFFERENT!".
This is way more subtle but can go to great heights in terms of tech if you want.
Well said
Great idea.. but what about standardization and mass adoption of those Nio baterries? So you dont need to have swap stations for every EV brand which decides to go with baterries swaps? That will be a big leap forward. Also swap stations will need to be quite big to serve multiple cars at once, so will need more space and additional space for the empty baterries to store and charge.
Great idea, but still many practical "but"s .
It's got Urus / Kona vibes to the look
Nio ❤❤ really enjoyed this review!!
Tesla started the battery swapping but couldn't setup enough stations. Another problem. Are you getting a new battery or a used battery each time. What is the cost of the swap. etc etc. And how many stations will there be. If you want to use this across the country.
U know that u can charge it normally as well... Battery swap is just one of the many options u can use... Its not either or..
They never set up a station. They just showed it at his events. This guy went to that station and all they had there was a bunch of super chargers powered by diesel generators. th-cam.com/video/35NT_ZSbik8/w-d-xo.html
The interior is really elegance!
battery swap is the future, specially since batteries will be smaller over time...
Pls review the NIO ET5
Wait, did you say there are NIO houses in UK ??
How will that work with left and right hand drive cars ? the battery swap still no difference ? especially if you travel to Europe from the Uk or vice verser ? Will they sell the cars and have the stations in the UK ?
So my Q is maybe an obvious one but how long before a topped up battery needs replacing and if it comes to the UK where will these recharge centres be located - in every major City?
I love the funiest part at 5:09😂
Hope they come to Canada soon.
Great video and great in English
This is the way
I think battery swapping would also be ideal in motorsports scenarios especially for Le Mans. If we can make EV batteries smaller, lighter with more energy density then that would be ideal.
In China they have hundreds of Battery Swap stations.
Very good, how do you charge the car when you are away from a Nio centre? Or have I missed something?👍😊
You can still charge the normal way
You are missing something.
Braincells
@@saimonarnet5015 Quite an assumption to make considering you have never met me , typical of someone of a limited engineering background it seems. A perfectly reasonable question my electric vehicle friends thought. It could be a very good idea, but years away yet.
You guys are travelling so much to Norway theese days :p Just move here already :D :D
What about swapping batteries when we have numerous different cars and battery technologies?
Kindly do you know if the battery is liquid cool because I think it would make it more difficult when changing it automatically without loosing any fluid?
Tesla is going to face tough competition in near future..
actually tesla only win in the market outside china hence there're almost no competition for them outside china. in china, they are just average player.. even BYD sell more premium electric car in china. tesla after sales service are suck compare to other brand too.. they just good at commercial.