Jesus Said NOTHING About Homosexuality
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- Many Progressive Christians love to cite how Jesus never said anything about homosexual behavior. In this video, Mr. B offers five reasons why this isn't a good argument.
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BTW, he says, “God can change and evolve.” No, the progressive god changes and evolves because the progressive god is made in the image of the progressive Christian.
“For I am the LORD, I change not.” Mal.3:6
One of the biggest red flags in the argument! One of God’s characteristics is being immutable!
They're not Christians
I was a little surprised he didn't address that point. The idea that God can change is very clearly unscriptural! But you're right: it fits the progressive god perfectly!
That was particularly egregious to hear a "pastor" state. "God is everlasting and ever changing". Everlasting, yes. Ever changing?? Of course not.
The whole “Jesus didn’t say” argument comes from those that don’t believe ANYTHING He ever said.
Did he ever say that?
@@vladtheemailer3223 _Did he ever say that?_
What says He had to have said it?
Well said 😅
Or who have never read the Bible.
As an atheist, i can agree with most of what Jesus said. From the little i've read, anyways. He adresses sodomy, which is NOT what it is considered today. One of the things was "do not stigmatize strangers". And also you're commenting on a video with a guy who clearly has studied the Bible. Why do religious people get defensive about everything when discussing religion - is a more accurate question, but still i wouldn't be cool to include EVERY religious person.
The thing that really annoys me is when progressive Christians seem to think only Jesus words are Gods words, like the rest of scripture doesn't have authority or something.
I actually knew someone at one time who believed Jesus' words don't even count because He was still under the old covenant. Kind of blew my mind.
@@woody5476Just another example of people claiming to have read through scripture when they likely have not. "With their words they speak praises of Me while their hearts are far from Me."
They are also real selective on what "red letter text" counts.
They think it will save them from dealing with the tough verses they affirm in the scriptures, but it only proves they reject the full counsel of the Holy Spirit. Jesus affirmed both the OT, the prophets, and his apostles, so they are rejecting him and his commands.
No such thing as progressive Christians. They are in essence Christian in name only or back slidden if they are Christians at all.
'God is everlasting and EVER CHANGING' is such a gross misrepresentation of everything the Bible says about God, as well. God never changes and never 'grows' because he is already the epitome of perfection.
Yes, that was my biggest issue with that argument.
How did he incarnate as Jesus if he never changes?
@@tomasrocha6139 He came in human form which is a change but they are arguing that God's morals and perspectives change which is not true because God is the moral standard and has always been right
Saw that immediately. Also commented on that. Just saw yours now.
@@tomasrocha6139roflmao. It was all part of the prophecy. Never changed. And THAT is not a change of what God sees as right and wrong. You must be daft.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and for ever."-Hebrews 13:8- God doesn't contradict Himself and He is not the author of confusion. Great video, as always!
That has nothing to do with "Jesus said nothing".
@@terjehansen0101 have you watched the video?
Yes, of course. If the topic is about what Jesus said or not the video inferres what the Bible says or Torah says instead. @@lillyanna8432
Obviously not. One day he was alive and the next day he was dead.
@@Wolfways this was God's plan before the foundations of the world, read your bible.
That member of the clergy thinks that sex is more important than following after Jesus. Paul warned against any sexual sin as it would directly lead to falling away.
He has deceived himself.
Paul couldn't get lid, so there's that.
@@dhenderson1810 there are so many things more important than sex. Once you have had your fill you realize how empty its pursuit is.
@@Lord9Genesis Listen to you.
"Once you have your fill".
What, you are so desirable that you actually got so much sex that now you are bored of it? Yeah right.
Why did God make gay people then
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever!
What about when he was Jesus he changed
God has never ever changed, He is the pure substance, the perfection. A human change because a human is imperfect. God, as being full perfection, doesn't change.
"Did God really say..." -Satan
"Did God really say..." -this guy
Excellent point!
@@joepromedioit’s really not the excellent point you or OC thinks it is…
"Did God really say..." -Every person that is interpreting a book from thousands of years ago translated differently many times.
@@TheModdedwarfare3
“Did God really say…” - Martin Luther
“Did God really say…” - John Calvin
“Did God really say…” - John Wesley
“Did God really say…” - Samuel Seaburg
“Did God really say…” - George Fox
The list goes on…
DID GOD REALLY SAY???
SATAN 😂
Malachi 3:6 I am the LORD, I change not
I thought this would have been quoted!
How did he incarnate as Jesus then?
@@tomasrocha6139 Jesus pre-existed His incarnation.
@@tomasrocha6139 he didn’t “become” Jesus. Jesus was an eternal being, who took on a role in humanity. Also, when God says he doesn’t change, he means his character doesn’t change
Incarnation is a change regardless of preexistence.
Joke: What is a Progressive Christian's worst enemy???
- A Bible 😆😆😇
Joke: What is a Christian's worst nightmare?
- The inescapable shrinking of the God of the gaps leaving less and less room for a God to be in control of 😅😂😅😂
@@TheModdedwarfare3 terrible attempt at joking but you do you
Not in my experience. There's a difference between being a "Church Christian" and a "Biblical Christian." Most people who call themselves Christian are in the first category. I see it in what is a lack of Scripture study, but they will be the first to say Church lines like "Love the sinner, hate the sin" and " Gay Lifestyle."
So true! Progressive Christians recognize the Bible contains immoral commands and refuse to abide by them.
@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv it's shocking, the biblical illiteracy that's in a lot of people married to the organized religion centers (i don't feel that "church" accurately describes those places). The Bible teaching in most of them is just SO poor. They need to get serious about biblical illiteracy bc it's a serious problem in all denominations. And yes, that includes catholicism.
This fake pastor's words had my eyes rolling from the start. But where they really caused me to say "wait... what?" was when he said "God is everlasting and everchanging." No. If God is eternal, that means He cannot be changing or changed. Everlasting and everchanging cannot possibly coexist. By definition!
I have no idea how a priest with such a warped sense of “theology” and misinterpretation of scripture passed seminary
@@t.rexking441 I don’t think that’s a priest. A lot of pastors get themselves clerical collars in order to validate themselves, but are no more a priest than any other person you’ll see in everyday life on the street.
_If God is eternal, that means He cannot be changing or changed_
Then why did god NEED to change and create the universe. More importantly, why did he need to CHANGE and create humans.
@@thedude0000 God didn’t change. It’s in His nature to be creative and relational. He acted accordingly.
@@jasonrodgers880 just keep adding attributes to your god until you have all the bases covered.
It wasn't a "hot button" issue back then, everyone understood God's view on the topic. Also, not every word that Jesus spoke is recorded in the Scriptures, so this is an argument from silence with an assertion that Jesus never spoke about it. He didn't need to speak about it, because it was clear. Jesus did speak about marriage and referenced Genesis where it was established only between a man and a woman.
I posted this response before listening to this video. We made the same arguments, almost exactly.
Exactly. Why does Paul bring it up? Answer his audience was gentiles who had Greek influence. The Greeks didn't follow the Torah unless they converted to Judaism. Paul focused on the gentiles the most while say Peter or James focused on the people of Israel
Yeah, it was pretty much universally frowned upon in judaism and most of Christ's ministry was aimed at jewish communities.
If Jesus was really for loosening sexual conduct and ethics like homosexuality, he would have said so when preaching to an audience that was already incredibly strict around it.
What they fail to realize is that Jesus is the God of the OT and he said it is an abomination.
"Hey man, I really need you to know that grass is green" would be a weird thing to say if nobody was arguing that grass wasn't green.
Exactly, and as mentioned in the video, Jesus did speak about s3x outside of marriage. So if marriage is only between a man and a woman, and anything outside of that is wrong..... connect the dots.
Jesus went even further, saying that to even look at someone with lust in your eye is to commit adultery in your heart. These people don't have a leg to stand on.
The answer that Jesus gave to the Pharisees when they asked him about divorce literally breaks the 'silence' on that issue.
Jesus never talked about p**d*ph*li* - does that make it OK? No!
Thanks for addressing this, Mr B! God bless you!
Excellent point!
@@joepromedio Thanks very much :) So long as the Lord our God is ultimately glorified, that's all that matters to me
Idk i think the verse about people putting millstones around their necks and then drowning in a river might be referring to pedos.
@@PCMRvsconsole no, that verse (from Matthew chapter 18) refers to anyone causing children, who believe in the Lord Jesus, to think it's OK to indulge in anything that is sinful. If you read the whole chapter, it is in the context of who is considered greatest in the Kingdom of God, and that is part of that.
@@thetruedaoster8863pretty sure making children think it's okay to indulge in sin includes p3dophile
EVER CHANGING?!! He is the same yesterday today and forever. Hebrews 13:8
I'm glad I'm detransitioned after 4 years! Its thanks to Jesus I'm free of that deception. I explain more in my v ideos.
@@zoa1-99.......Hey, glad you found your confident self through your journey, but do not be a crab in a bucket pulling all of your crab homies down by calling it a deception. If you want absolute proof that trans people are really telling the truth and speaking from the heart just watch a trans youtuber talk about their experience and the joy they have after transitioning. Even if it was all fake and they are wrong the joy they feel for being who they are is enough to convince me that they are worth treating with dignity and respect.
@@TheModdedwarfare3 Did you know that THE Meaning of Life for ALL living species is to Breed and Procreate (and Multiply), Sucessfully and Peacefully (Be Fruitful) according to biology and God? Now how can we do that if we castrate ourselves and our kids, render ourselves/kids infertile or have same sex relations? WE'D DIE OUT according to proven science!
I'm convinced these people have never actually read the Bible.
Ever changing and growing…… ugh…. No. He’s consistent unchanging and perfect God, there’s nothing for him to grow in, he’s perfect. + everything Red Pen said.
Explain the old and New Testament then. Explain the 30,000 CHANGES in the KJV. Please explain.
@@jarenfromvenus To what changes are you referring in the Old and New Testaments?
*OLD TESTAMENT*
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.” (Numbers 23:19)
“But you [God] remain the same, and your years will never end.” (Psalm 102:27)
“Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens.” (Psalm 119:89)
“The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever.” (Isaiah 40:8)
“I, the LORD, do not change.” (Malachi 3:6)
*NEW TESTAMENT*
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” (Matthew 24:35)
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8)
“Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” (James 1:17)
He said that God evolves and is ever changing!?! Direct contradiction of what Scripture teaches! Here is just one of MANY passages:
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9 Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings"
He wants an excuse to do whatever he likes without consequence.
The apostle Paul addressed people like the "pastor" when he said to Timothy "in the last days there will be scoffers" and when he also said "everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial" - that is to say that just because you can doesn't mean you should. I'd love to point that out to the "pastor" - his teaching is going to earn him a really bad thing if he keeps it up, he's not only responsible for himself but his flock. As someone who's been a pastor when I see people teaching error and heresy it really gets my goat. And my goat doesn't like being got.
It makes me wonder what they teach in the seminary he went to. Sheesh. How do you get a 90-hour Master's degree and not understand the most fundamental things about Christ? That's terrible :(
The Bible is authoritative, not education :) I have an MDiv, so I know what I'm saying lol :)
This is just nuts to me b/c I had exegesis pounded into my head by professors for 5 years while earning that degree. Catholic seminary must be very different.
Great video, Tim! And you didn't even touch on God being "ever-changing"! I almost spat my drink out when he said that!
me too - it was the most horrible part...
"I'll change God into however I want him to be, and he can get the credit for it."
Yes, I was very surprised to hear him say that.
Ha yeah, I did a double-take on that. We know He's *never*-changing because He told us so. Like, a lot of times, both in the old and new testaments. Even if He didn't it would not be logical. If He improved for the better, that implies that previously He was not perfect, because you cannot improve something already perfect. If He changed for the worse, then He was *also* previously not perfect, because changing for the worse would be an imperfection already present.
Also, did we change our minds first about the topic, or God? I can't think of any better dictionary example of arrogance than believing God exists, and saying, "Yeah God exists, that guy. Yeah, I'm better than Him." God would not really be much of a god after all if that were true.
I almost choked when dude said that.
The Progressive arguments are ludicrious. Sometimes I think they haven't even read the Bible, or at the very least haven't read all of it. And I wonder why they haven't read it all? Maybe because they know they'll be proven wrong if they read it🤔
They're all about unconditional validation and support. It's really sad to see and we should Help them while shutting down their accusations, it's a very dangerous stage.
@@PureCurebyFaith Amen. I agree completely.
I mean... you could pick 5 random books just from the list of ones you have heard about and read them... and know enough about God to know he thinks butt sex is bad.... let's see.. the 1st 5 books that come to mind...(Genesis... well Sodom and Gomorrah gives pretty good Idea of Gods thoughts on queers and lesbians)... psalms, proverbs, Revelation, John... now how much God knowledge can you get from just those 5 most popular books? Amazing!!
@@RockyTopSplash Not to mention Leviticus.
@dirtdiver2389 well Leviticus was talking about people cutting themselves to bring blood for sacrifice to false gods. It has nothing to do with tattoos
The most heretical thing he said was that God is everchanging.
That wouldn't even be good for them, either, because it leaves them with no foundation. It leaves the door open to call evil everything they currently call good. Or change his mind about wanting to forgive people.
It's absurd.
@joelbecker5389 Because it is heretical, what he describes is called Open-Theism. He rejects God's omnipresence in favour of complete free will where the future is wholly determinate on human decisions and God is rendered powerless.
That's why God HATES it when people call good "evil" and evil "good." That's the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Jesus got really upset when they suggested that He was using the power of Beelzebub.
Jesus also didnt say "Dont throw kittens down wells" but Im still pretty sure he wouldent be down with it.
Not a sin so while it is morally terrible it is not a sin unless you consider killing an animal to be murder and we do not have god's opinion on the matter.
@@TheModdedwarfare3morally terrible but not a sin? What does that even mean? I don't know where to start with someone who claims something as bizarre as senselessly killing innocent animals isn't a sin. But here's a start:
Proverbs 12:10
Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.
Ecclesiastes 3:19
For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.
How in God's earth is throwing kittens to their death not a sin? I think you are confused my friend.
@@TheModdedwarfare3 Jesus is God and God is the representation of pure moral good. So how can it be morally bad and not a sin. That's the definition of sin.
That dude needs to repent. The Devil is a liar.
He does need to repent. It is such a sin to represent God as a homophobe.
But, all I have to do is tell TH-cam to not recommend this channel.
And so are you
And homosexuals borne that way? How about gay ppl pretending to be straight, perhaps in a hetero marriage to fit in with the Jones'? Liars, indeed.
I see one of your other comments on here saying God created Male and female but I need help figuring it out. Is a person with XXY chromosomes a Male or a female? Does a person with both kinds of genitals fall into one category more closely than the other? Can a woman with manly features exist? How do you perfectly separate who is and is not a woman that includes all women and excludes all men? Anyways God is not real. If I was the Devil I would spread my evil word far and wide pretending it is the holy bible and be enthusiastic about how easily it worked.
Jesus never said anything about sin? Who do you think nuked sodom and gomorah? We need to take Christ seriously, hes not our buddy in a sandler movie.
What's particularly fascinating about the Sodom and Gomorrah account in this regard is that the story is even a Trinitarian passage. The Son was there face to face with Abraham and He was the one who called down fire. "Then the LORD [Yahweh] rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD [Yahweh] out of the heavens." Genesis 19:24
Jesus is absolutely our buddy when we're on his good side.
If God is our Father and Jesus is his son and we're all God's children, then Jesus is like our big brother looking out for us.
Jesus nuked those cities to protect us.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 He opens his arms for you. But he also wants you to repent your wickedness if you have not. Otherwise he can't embrace you as you're only paying lip-service but not following God's word as you should.
This is what's abundantly wrong with "progressive churches" and the Pope's recent stance. They're essentially mocking His word and signs to make it fit as they please to pleasure themselves rather than teach their congregation to repent and take up their crosses.
I appreciate you mentioning polygamy. It is a greatest lie from the pits of hell that a man are hardwired not to be monogamous.
Then why did King David & King Solomon have concubines?
@@thedude0000 Because he sinned.
@@joepromedio *Citation Required*
@@thedude0000 David sent Uriah to war so that he could take his wife. God was not happy. The end.
@@rodiusmaximus That does not remotely address my point.
It's amazing how far people will go - and the twisted logic they will use - to justify their sin...
sin mean functioning outside god , and sin is moral
@@andrew1476 scripture is only for you not for me , me i decide for myself , when someone decide for someone else that nazi hitlerism , when only me i decide for myself and you decide for yourself that eliberation and pleasures and peace and safety and even beauty but pleasures is conected with beauty and homosexuality and being peaceful safe as well as reporting all the criminality around and being confessionist and whistleblower , colective dont decide for me , i have my own separate morality which is peaceful safe hypersexual homosexual biological male but is not acording to the god that the truth , i dont want to be acording to the god because me i decide very specifically to reject the god in very public and specific way
@@andrew1476 wrong the bible dont apply to everyone , the law say with clarity that a person which is not religious and spiritual have and can reject any spirituality religion anytime he wish and that religion spirituality is not morality , the law say with clarity that religion and spirituality is not morality .....i dont say the word option and choice , that too limited , i say the word decision which is above option and choice so the words personal individualistic homosexual biological male decisions is the way to say it for me , the law dont suport the religion spirituality , in the past spiritualit religion was masive eevn above the alw , today the religion spirituality and god is incapable to make a decision in this world , you are now in my world while your world has been rekjected for rape and human traficking and nazism
@@homosexualbiologicalmale--3 Unfortunately, you have deceived yourself.
@@dirtdiver2389 the god law dont function in this planet , we are at a point of refusing god and natural law totally completelly , the truth is that natural law support nazi hitlerism , criminality , rape and human traficking , that the truth , how i know ? look at the animals outside in the wilderness and tell me what law is there aplied ? is ? the law of criminal nature so criminality is allowed by god , that the truth and i did not said that we dont have a god , me i say this : god exist but is not peaceful but criminal , those animals around you has been created by default to be criminals by the creator god , even the criminal animals was created by god , see ? even the nazi was created by god , that how it function , we all see what is happening in the nature where the example dogs kill other animals which is alot more peaceful , i dont ssupport a hunter animal to be alive if is hunted by a dog but i support a peaceful animal because that animal is not his fault for what it happening around him and that god atack beings because god is the death and life both ......god cannot be peaceful because nature cannot be peaceful , because god is the nature and functionality settings , that why i dont blame directly the beings but only rarelly , majority i blame the settings and god creating criminals by default .....investigations break the ehck out of trust , and investigations it mean anti god , confessions mean anti god , whistleblower mean anti god , reporting what it happening around public is anti god , sayng the truth is anti god because god mean ballance and echilibrium in life which mean god support totally completelly the criminality as well 100% , finally now i know , god is almost banned globally and you know is coming this ban , you feeel it , if we trust god then it mean we should not have medication ? because medication is against god , god want you to die by natural causes , so you geting medication you save yourself and stay alive , interesting how even medications is against god , you want more ? we utilise washing machine that against god because it meaking it so easy without work and work become a ugly gross harmful word , why ? because washing machine is not natural , welcome to the homosexual biological male ultra peaceful easy way and world !
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever 🙏
One man, one woman, one marriage for one lifetime. I like it, I'm taking it. Keep up the good work.
Make sure you don't get divorced or wear mixed fabric or eat shellfish at the wrong time. Wouldn't want to burn in hell forever for a simple mistake like that.
@@TheModdedwarfare3 This issue was already addressed in the Acts. Gentiles don't have to follow the Law of Moses.
@@TheModdedwarfare3no one said ull go hell for that,God knows the intention of your heart
Didn't He say in Malachi 3:6, "I change not"?
Like 9 verses in the bible says God never changes.
That's dangerous, thinking that God can change and evolve into accepting our sin. He is loving AND holy.
His Purest Love is Washing us from sin, our own confusion, our own transgression.
Thank you for your content! Truth today gets dimmed by loud evil voices, and your voice is pushing back the darkness.
Amen. You're absolutely correct. Jesus was silent, but not agreeing with homosexuality.
Jesus, a central historical figure, significantly influenced morality and societal norms through his teachings, which are deeply interconnected with the entire biblical narrative. His adherence to Old Testament moral codes, including views on homosexuality as outlined in these texts, is pivotal. Although Jesus did not explicitly address homosexuality, his silence on the subject is indicative of his agreement with established moral codes, including those in the Old Testament. This silence, given his affirmation of the Old Testament, is as meaningful as his spoken words.
Jesus's validation of the Old Testament, especially his direct reference to Genesis' account of marriage being between a man and a woman, underscores his support for traditional marriage. The absence of any scriptural reference to unions other than male-female marriages in both the Old and New Testaments further cements this understanding.
Moreover, Jesus's role in validating and endorsing figures like Peter, who in turn recognized Paul's writings, adds credibility to the New Testament teachings. This interconnectedness highlights the consistency and continuity of biblical teachings on moral issues, including homosexuality.
Importantly, Jesus’s teachings cannot be isolated from the broader context of the Bible. Attempts to do so, especially to reinterpret his stance on issues like homosexuality, are seen as misinterpretations and contrary to the overall biblical teachings. His commissioning of disciples like Peter to extend his teachings to diverse audiences, including Gentiles, through figures like Paul, demonstrates the universality and unchanging nature of these moral principles.
Thank you for your straightforward answers..
Amen
Yeah we can safely throw out the love thy neighbor part as long as they neighbor is gay.
@@TheModdedwarfare3you do understand that part of love is to correct and rebuke when sin is evident?
"Everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial" fits perfectly here, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If God has said something's unacceptable then I'd listen to Him. Unless you think you know better than God my friend?
How do you know he didn’t agree if he was silent? 🤦🏽♀️
@@jarenfromvenus who's this to friend?
A perfect being can't change
That doesn’t make sense.
Whenever you use the word “arsenokoitai” these type of people shriek, and are unable to properly participate in any type of debate
If God changes, he's not the God of Christianity.
Just as you wouldn't treat a child the same way as your friends, God can change His approach.
But changing how you act doesn't change who you are.
The Bible is ABSOLUTELY clear on such sexual ethics.
The God that condemned homosexuality 4k years ago didn't change his mind 2k years ago didn't change his mind 1 second ago won't change his mind 10k years from now.
Jesus says 'deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me'
Jesus didn't say 'accept yourself, crucify those in your way, and follow me.'
Great content! Love the critical thinking!
It is impossible to be a progressive Christian and have a high view of Scripture. When I first converted, I really tried to reconcile the two, but I'm convinced that it can't be done.
It can be done. When you accept that the Bible is not the inerrant word of a god, it was written by men 2000+ years ago and that culture has changed since then. I suspect you don't adhere to _Do not eat shellfish_ or _Do not wear mixed fabrics_ or _Stone people for committing adultry_
You can rationalize not following those laws, but when it comes to homosexuality.... you can't?
@@thedude0000 You need to do a little research. The shellfish argument has been beaten to death. The fact that you are using it shows how much of a novice your are. Get out of your echo chamber.
@@kylehollman5549 _You need to do a little research_
I spent 23 years as a christian. I taught a weekly youth Bible study when I was 17, I taught two weekly Bible studies while obtaining my undergrad and I spent three years in *Seminary* , because I wanted to become a pastor.
I've done quite a bit of "research" as you suggest.
The fact you only mention shellfish demonstrates you did not remotely understand my point.
*HOW DO YOU RATIONALIZE* not following all those laws, but following others?
A high view of scripture means holding to biblical inerrancy. You clearly don't have a high view of scripture.
Second, the OT law is divided into ceremonial, civil, and moral law. The ceremonial law was fulfilled by Christ's sacrifice (see Matthew 5), so it has passed away. Jesus also declares all food clean to Peter. The civil laws, including prescribed punishments for crimes like adultery, applied to the nation of Israel at the time, so those also do not apply today because we are not the nation of Israel. It's like trying to enforce American laws in Canada. The moral laws still apply, especially when repeated in the NT multiple times. In the context of the passage that condemns homosexual relationships in Leviticus, there are also condemnations of beastiality and incest, so clearly it is laying out a sexual ethic. Paul repeatedly condemns the practice of same sex relations, such as in Romans 1.
If you really went to seminary, I weep for the state of pastoral education in this country, because this is incredibly basic OT literacy and has been the position of every Christian organization since the death of Christ up until the last 30-40 years. Why does our culture have it right vs 2000 years of church history?
@@thedude0000 The early church addressed this issue more than 2000 years ago. Have you read Acts (Chapter 15) and Paul's letters, especially the parts about circumcision and kosher food? Do you know what ceremonial law is? You can't seriously tell me that you have never encountered this issue in your 23 years of Christianity. I learned about this in Catechism class in junior high school.
This is the mindset when you focus on no correction in the church. Even though the apostles corrected. When you create Church to be a hang out and not a gathering of believers, when you focus on Praise and Worship and prayer more than the Word of God. And when you become so emotionally drivin in the Church. A prayer can be emotionally driven along with so-called "prophetic" words but have absolutely no value in the Kingdom of Heaven. This is why the younger generation is looking for that spiritual high to feel good in Church Worship and prayer. But when the things of this world come their way, they are torn down. They have no Word in them, only music and prayer. The Word of God is First and Foremost. Everything else such as prayer and worship is essential but when preaching in Church involves a 15 minute bible lesson for young adults and adults that does not build them up when they dont spend more than 30 minutes in the bible during the week.
To quote Voddie Baucham "Jesus has existed eternally in perfect unity with the Father and the Spirit. Which means when rocks of fire and brimstone were coming down on Sodom and Gomorrah, he was not absent, nor was he in disagreement."
Great video (once again)!
Your logic is awesome.
Good analysis.
Christopher's bit about God being ever-changing, and that if people say God believes what God used to believe that's humans trying to put God in a box gave me a small migraine. But seriously, such disappointing rhetoric. Not grounded in careful thinking (whether intentional or not we cannot know).
God doesn't change His mind, so we know who He is always..... He is not judgment fluid.
For I, the Lord, do not change; therefore you, the sons of Jacob, have not come to an end. - Malachi 3:6
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever. - Hebrews 13:8
Love your argument with regard to the societal questions in our Lord's time.......
Judgement Fluid would make a good band name.
Mic drop: ❌
Red Pen drop: ✅
Let’s just go ahead and throw Paul under the bus….he who met the Lord Jesus in person post resurrection
Progressives frequently do throw out Paul and anything that has to do with LGBTQ+ lifestyle, the roles of men and women, and anything that smacks of sin (both original and the daily struggle). They will call you a "Pauline" Christian, with no shortage of derision in their voice in the process. To them, Paul was a patriarchal oppressor. They reject most of his writings.
I’m surprised you didn’t say anything about God’s unchanging nature. That was an awful argument about God being contained or put in a box, because we are “limiting him”.
Exactly. We can only put God in the box He put Himself in.
@@domblack6288 I wouldn’t say he put himself in the box lol but I get it
@@timothyvenable3336 We define God as he defines himself.
@@bbgun061 yeah that’s a great way to put it
@@timothyvenable3336 Correct, and how this man describes God and his nature can be defined under the heresy known as Open-Theism
0:26 no He isn't, God is explicitly NEVER changing lol, he doesn't change His mind.
Thank you for disproving the new covenant.
@@vladtheemailer3223 The New Covenant was planned from the beginning of time, He didn't change His mind about anything. Jesus said "I didn't come to abolish the old law, i came to fulfill it"
@@vladtheemailer3223 _Thank you for disproving the new covenant._
Thanks for proving your poor English. It doesn't day the covenant doesn't change, but God never changes. Because you are not smart enough to know the difference isn't Christianity's fault.
@@fukukyun78 So, Creation was not completed until, after the flood? Think about what you are saying.
@@RaiderWolf-yd6nm Wow, do you have anything intelligent to add?
I'm glad I'm detransitioned after 4 years! Its thanks to Jesus I'm free of that deception. I explain more in my v ideos.
needed this yesterday actually
Great job as always RPL team! God bless you always!
Praying for this man soul! Lord have mercy upon humanity! ✝️🙏🕊️
I dropped a couple of comments for comedic and dramatic effect... But you pretty much nailed it in the video!! 🙏🥰👍
I like your rebuttal and thank you brother for your answers and for referring back to scripture. The one thing that stood out in this man's conversation that I believe needed to be addressed was the fact that he said God is evolving and changing. (Malichi 3:6) states, that God does not change and He reaffirms this as Christ (Hebrews 13:8-16). When we deny Scripture the word of God we deny God Himself. Thank you again may God bless your ministry.
Awesome job, Mr. B!
The homosexuality part is ignorance, but the ever-changing part is a giga heresy
WORD! Tell brother ❤
Well played as usual, so far I really learn so much from you and I hope to get to know God more through you and your stand towards other controversial views regarding about Him. Thank you for videos, I appreciate it a lot, hoping to see more in the near future. God bless you life hehehe
The bigger issue that the priest said wasn’t even the same sex marriage comment (not saying that isn’t an issue) it was when he said Go can change His mind… if you believe a God that isn’t consistent, that is changing, then you believe in a politician, not a true God. Thank you God, for always staying true to Your promise that You have kept since the beginning of time.
Breaks my heart to see where people are going these days. Thanks for helping keep us on the straight path (pun intended)
What about "God is everlasting and ever changing" ?? Sounds more like "I want to be able to dictate what God thinks to make sure I'm on his side".
So many wrong things condensed in a few sentences. How to address that if you hear someone doing that ?
Great work, thanks a lot and God bless you.
Btw, I do like the concise argument, but I also think you could expound more on each point. Keep it up.
"He can grow and evolve. He is everlasting and ever-changing."
That is absolutely heinous and unholy. God is the pinnacle of perfection and the gold standard for all time. It is downright sinful to suggest God needs to "grow up."
BRAVO. Completely in agreement.
Good word brother!
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Truth never changes
Oh Lord!!!! When I got married to a woman I didn't enjoy it for that long cause guess who came knocking wanting to talk about my Life Insurance JESUS!!! So pastor tried to tell me "Jesus is fine with your marriage, go enjoy your life with her" But I kept hearing "woe to those how put their trust in man" in my head A LOT. Now I am living for our King after 20+ years dating females, and let me tell you I am SUUUUPER beyond happy. I am free finally.
Anything I can say has already been said in other people's comments. Amen.
They guy said “God can grow and evolve.”
My first thought was, “Toward *what*?”
You and I can grow because we’re imperfect. We’re ignorant so we can grow in knowledge, we’re sinners so we can grow in moral behavior, etc.
God is not only perfect but the very standard toward which we are growing. If God is the standard then he can’t grow toward the standard.
Well said! Amen
1. Jesus doesn't condemn the Law, He fulfilled it
2. Jesus didn't disagree with the Law, He fulfilled it
3. Jesus didn't abolish the Law, He fulfilled it
Priest: God is ever changing
GOD: I am the LORD thy God, I change not.
For people to understand there are far less gray areas than one realize. There is usually a verse for everything, even if indirectly. Especially, I forgot the exact wording, but Paul speaking of, things being permissive but not beneficial.
Lawful but not edifying
'...God changes and evolves'..... vs....."I am the same, yesterday, today and forever"....
*YES, I love how you put it,* silence is NOT approval, it doesn't mean "yes"..if anything, people would need to build a case of why God said TO DO IT! Good as always Tim 💜 God bless you and yours 💜 And God bless ALL my Brother's and Sister's out there reading this 💜
Jesus wasn't silent on slavery. He told slaves to be the best slaves possible. If slavery is soooooooooooo Immoral, wonder why Jesus never condemned it.
@@thedude0000 He was referring to a different kind of slavery than chattel slavery, which amounted to being a servant.
@@joepromedio *citation required*
Seriously, you keep making these assertions without providing a shred of evidence.
@@thedude0000Slavery is only “immoral” through the lenses of American folklore, Americans will easily be quiet about it, when they go to places like Dubai or China, not to mention, a slave (even after the gladiator games were approved) in Roman times had a better life than a low/no income individual living in a Western Country now.
You’re trying to apply political dogma in an attempt to subvert Christianity.
Tell me, if the Bible isn’t inerrant, if the Church leaders are corrupt, where exactly do you pull the objective morality in thinking slavery is wrong? Because if you were to think that, you’d be ostracised from the County you live? That’s it?
@@thedude0000 _Seriously, you keep making these assertions without providing a shred of evidence._
why is it okay if you do it? Seriously, you haven't given a single citation yourself, have given not a shred of evidence yourself.
Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord I do not change". Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever."
Amazing job!
I agree with the people below. The Bible says God never changes he is the same today and yesterday and forever more. I’ve heard so many excuses from people saying the Bible doesn’t say anything about being gay that it was talking about having sex with young temple boys. But they conveniently leave out all the other places it says it’s wrong.
Maranatha
Those were some outrageous claims he made without showing any inclination to provide justification.
Great points
Great work. God bless you
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Hebrews 13:8
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He doesn’t change.
As soon as the guy said "God can change..." I tuned out every little word he said afterwards. That's just a complete lie, and that's all there is to it. This guy does not worship the Triune God. Must have him confused with one of the many pagan gods
I'm glad you mentioned polygamy, because too many get wrapped up in the stories of Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others having multiple wives that they begin to think God condones polygyny specifically or at least allows it. The fact is that it is a pollution to the gospel of the latter days and is in fact synonymous with adultery. And remember, a well-known American martyr was not actually a polygamist nor did he preach that it was a holy practice of God's people, but quite the opposite when his life and words are closely analyzed.
“God is ever changing”
That would be a giant no and one horrifying creature.
Hebrews 13: 8.
"Christ, yesterday, and today; and the same for ever. "
Jesus said plenty about it in the old testament. To deny that it's Jesus would mean denying trinitarianism
He said God is ever changing, but perfect cannot change
Even if Jesus didn't, plenty of others in the Bible did. Jesus isn't the only guy who spoke about our rules.
And God never changes as a being. He's the same now, then, and forever.
“For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
- Malachi 3:6
So much for God evolving and changing…
I very much appreciate your videos.
What freaks me out is his statement that God is ever-changing and evolving and so on...NO, He was perfect from the beginning, and his eternal word and nature is the only thibg you can count on NOT changing
Homosexuality and incest were among the flagrant sins performed by the nations God would use Joshua to decimate and eventually replace. "Do not do as the nations do, or the land will spew you out also." I fear we are near that time also.
Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a male who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."
The “ever changing” thing is a really awful way to think about God. He is and always has been perfect, so he’s never needed to change. And saying that God can and has changed his view on homosexuality also implies that modern, secular, liberal culture is more correct about the subject than God was in the Old Testament, which is the epitome of pride.
I don't think these guys think these things out. Why would you want to worship a God that constantly changes his mind?
Completely destroyed his argument 😊
Jesus will be coming back with a shining sword and about time too.
Jesus didn’t say anything about smoking crack either. I wouldn’t be comfortable stating that God changes His morality.
Amen, Brother, Preach!!!!!