Hybrid Drives As Fast As Possible
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- If you're trying to decide between a fast but expensive SSD, and a slower but cheaper and more spacious HDD, could hybrid drives be a good compromise?
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Who the hell is Hybrid and why is he driving so fast?
A prius
V6 hybrid F1 :)
Good guy linus always ending the video with "speaking of"
Still to this day man
LMFAO
Hey man your PFP is familiar, who's that
How a Linus is made as slow as possible
that would be 6570+ hours length video
+Agito When a mommy Linus and a daddy Linus love each other very much...
Are you asking for a LTT porno?
+zyx precisely
+zyx he is asking for a Lttf and Lttm porn
$120 for SSHD. 1TB with 32GB Flash
For $90 you can get a 128GB SSD and 1TB 7200RPM.
I want 240GiG SSD :V
FiNiTe I still got 30GB on my ssd and 600 gb on my hdd. SSD is 128GB and HDD is 1TB
+JordanYT for $220 you can get a 1TB ssd :D
+hebbocake Did you forget the major point of an SSHD in a laptop?
+JordanYT I have had nothing but bad experiences with SSHD drives.. They seemed soo slow even though after a good portion of time of use. I had a SSHD drive in my laptop, and I was so frustrated, that I bought a Samsung Evo 850 as soon as I could, as now using that SSHD as an external drive. I could be unlucky, that maybe I only have tried bad quality SSHD's though.. I can't remember the brand/model of my SSHD
in my country there is a negligible difference in price between SSHD and ssd, a 2.5 inch Sata ssd is just $5 more than a Sata SSHD so it's better to choose ssd over this gimmicky SSHD
"all that unfinished fanart" i feel personally attacked
Huh. That's new. "No Views."
Speedy Gonzalez? Is that you?
it takes time for youtube to process and verify the views
@@jorionedwards + no
Linus shows a NewEgg screenshot instead of NCIX... I guess he burned his bridges!
VWestlife rip ncix
Ncix was closing already
VWestlife watches Linus?
I love the WD dualdrive for laptops. You get a 120 gig ssd and a 1 tb hdd. And you can set them up as two different drives in the OS. Plus it only takes up one 2.5 inch slot. I throw them in older laptops all the time, though they have recently gone up a lot in price, I suspect it's been discontinued
once again Linus saves the day. I freaking love you dude you always have the exact video to explain exactly what I need to know. There's a sale on a 7200 rpm sshd on new egg right now and I was looking to upgrade anyway but wanted to know the deal before buying. Thank you for being awesome.
I upgraded my Ps4 with an SSHD. Way too good when loading into a match faster than anyone.
I'm using the WD Black^2. It's amazing. I got it for around $150 off a Newegg sale. I highly recommend because it has 128GB flash and 1TB HDD.
I use both an ssd and mechanical drive in my laptop. simply remove the DVD drive and install a HDD caddy in its place. it's still sata 6 gigabit so no bottlenecks
+Mitchell Theobald right because the HDD is it's own bottleneck lol
That's...actually... I GOTTA GET MY LAPTOP RN! BRB!
That's...actually... I GOTTA GET MY LAPTOP RN! BRB!
Wow
@@thecocooreo Yet has faster transfer rate than SSD. Weird!
Great video. I have always loved the SSHD. It really is a great way to get great performance with larger capacity.
I'm still amazed how hard drive storage came in the last several years. I remember when 500GB was a lot. Then with game consoles all you needed was just a handful of MB for a memory card. Now just 1TB is what I feel is a fair amount for me at least.
6 years later 500gb is still a lot.
@@michealadebz i suppose maybe. I got 1tb in nvme storage for games os and programs. And 4tb for for pics movies documents and music, and theyre almost full
Ah, the "Speaking of ________" segue.
Truly, a classic.
I love it when as fast as possible videos are about speed related things. The titles are just so entertaining
Can you do a comparison of an SSD on Sata I, Sata II, and Sata III
The Everyicated Gamer can you link me the video?
+Camilo Morrice Why on earth would you plug a SSD on a SATAI or II connection...?? :)
+Ilannguaq Kivioq if your motherboard does not support SataII or Sata III
Camilo Morrice You're joking, right?
+Ilannguaq Kivioq can't be that hard to understand can it. My motherboard only supports Sata I and Sata II. I would like to know how well an SSD would perform on all 3 Satas
I've had an SSD+SSHD combo for 3-ish years. Works like a charm
Still using the combo?
@@benjamenYTDeadTheGamer Funny you should ask. Yes I do :)
How to get a fucking gold star as fast as possible
In my PC I have a Kingston HyperX Predator 240GB for Windows files and other main functionality programs (unity, EVGA drivers, ect.), a Seagate 2TB SSHD for regular programs like chrome, word, ect., and a Seagate 2TB SSHD for games. Pretty good setup if you ask me >_>
Hybrid controllers like the Marvell HyperDuo are quite nice too. Just stick an old 256GB SSD on it and your huge 4TB HDD will be running like hell. Well, at least that few very important folders with your favorite games.
The thing I like most about this solution is, that even when removing the SSD, the data on the HDD remains untouched. That's probably a lot better than SSHDs would handle an SDD failure.
why are there dislikes on every video on youtube? it's ridiculous! why would you dislike a video like this? its simply an informative video! don't like tech? why click on it?
IDK It's the internet dude
Spam as fast as posible.
Did you just post the same comment? He already has a video on that.
+Bradval411 spam as fast as possible
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Double tap! We are saying random crap, right?
+Ivan Cossio as fast as possible as fast as possible
No mention of the WD Black2 (squared)? It. Can fit in quite a few laptops, and is a dual.drive with a separate SSD and HDD in the same case. Granted, more expensive than buying both separately, but you're paying for the convenience.
+Simon WoodburyForget The WD Black Squared isn't an SSHD though. It's a 120GB SSD and 1 or 2TB HDD if I remember correctly. They show up as different drives, a d you cent even see the HDD until you install Windows on the SSD and can download a tool to turn it on.
+SlayerOfHellWyrm just get an ssd and a seperate hdd like he said
+Joe Bob you missed the point... Some laptops don't have space for both, which is where the squared is aimed. I though I mentioned that already.
SlayerOfHellWyrm oh I forgot about laptops
Reminds me of ridiculous VHS/DVD combo players )))
so this sound perfect for someone running a 1 drive system or a laptop with no expansion for storage. Not a bad compromise.
so if i wanted a hybrid drive to launch a particular game super fast i'd have to "train" it by running that application a few times? And it'd forget if I ran a different game a few times? Sorry ...my storage solutions trying to be "smart" and ultimately "cache-ing" certain files to the flash memory sounds fucking stupid. Hybrid drives might be good for office documents but they SOUND utterly garbage for anything else.
Yep. And they are EXPENSIVE. A decent 1TB SSHD will set you back around 80-90 bucks as of late, while you can get a 1TB HDD and a 120GB SSD for around the same price. You can "cache" the data yourself, score some extra storage, have a backup drive and killer durability, since you use the SSD for a few large files with fast reads and the HDD for smaller files which you don't read as much, and constantly write new files.
Linus, remember when you made that video about how to partition the outside and faster part of an hdd platter separately from the slower inner portion. Is it possible to do the same thing with a hybrid drive and if so how?
With flash memory sizes and prices of today, do you think some hybrid drives have any real place in the 20s? They could easily include a larger chunk of flash memory with some of the chunkier HDD sizes while remaining affordable. Or is there just no point anymore with the affordability of higher capacity SSDs?
No point anymore
watching this in 2020 and hybrid drives are no longer being used because SSDs are cheap now xD
Just got a 1tb hybrid drive for $70 with 1-3gb speed, they are less common now but they are still around
xorkatoss just bought a shit ton of firecudas because they’re good drives, people are still buying even though SSDs are cheap
Yess ...now i am geeting sshd in good price
Cheap my arsh! SSD are still over $100 and for very small amount of storage. You can get double or triple the size with SSHD with about the same price.
Side note most sshds have 8gb (acutely all of them) not 32gb
Amazing technology, truly. I had never used SSHD device, so I decided to buy one (Firecuda 2,5" 500 GB, new for 28,82 AUD). Wish me luck!
PS. I am going to use it for external USB connection.
Went to look for a vid on hybrid tech quicky did not disappoint
Cool technology, but with SSDs being as cheap as they are now, kinds of pointless.
what about the wd black2 it has both an ssd and hdd but it is not that cheap
+gimmie55 Its not SSHD it just 2 in 1
Boffifis1 i know! i never said it was but for the purpose of a sshd in a laptop it fits the purpose better
You guys are doing your job simply amazing. Thumb's up to you guys.
I forgot these things existed. Haven’t seen them in a while.
Thanks, I know this is dated, but you answered the question perfectly!
The trick to having your cake and eating it too is having two cakes
And twice the size stomach. 😆😅
no mention of the western digital black2 dual drive? its a full fledged SSD and HDD in a single 2.5" form factor. i had one for awhile it was amazing. i just wish western digital had upgraded it with a 256GB ssd and 2TB BLACK edition HDD.
It's too late
But I'm having 1tb sshd firecuda 5400rpm that's came with my laptop
That's the same thing your are talking about right ?
What's good for video editing on a laptop? I mean do you need more ram etc? Sorry if it's a stupid question not to good with technology.
If you have a laptop (with a cd drive) you can just get a drive "caddy".
It's a slide that can house a 2,5" drive and replaces your cd reader.
Well made video. Thanks, Techquickie!
Update: After 200 series intel motherboards: best option is to pair Intel Optane with a 1 TB mechanical @7200 rpm. It is way cheaper than 1tb ssd and faster.
If anybody reading this has a laptop with a DVD drive, you can use that bay for a storage drive.
So you can have an SSD as the main drive (120GB is $40 now...) and a 1TB hard drive ($50) in the optical bay using a caddy ($10-20 Amazon).
But yes, if you only have 1 drive bay, an SSHD is a good option. They cost about $100. You can get 480GB SSDs for $110 now. 240GB for $60.
(Microcenter)
nice video they are getting better
I think sticking with a pair would be better, grab a small SSD for boot stuffs and a massive HDD for storing. It's what I'm gonna do.
rendering how it works and why it is needed as fast as possible
I love my Hybrid 1TB which was like $80, been running for like 2 years already and no problems. I play tons of Steam games and Blizzard games, everything runs smooth.
My wallet and myself are both happy :-)
You play gmod? How fast is the loading?
Nice video, thank you for uploading
Bought a 1TB NVME for a hundred bucks... SSD's are much cheaper nowadays that I don't think SSHD's are a point of use anymore
buy an SSD, buy a HDD, install Drive Bender or Drive Pool, make a single pool out of both, then tell the system what should go where :) Also includes duplication for backing up, and the ability to add more drives to the pool on the fly :)
When I suggested this video maybe 1+ years ago, it made sense. Now, with the SSD prices so low and getting even cheaper, I feel these kinds of drive aren't really a necessity.
Whatever happened to the WD Black squared? That drive was neat
250 GB SSDs aren't that expensive now, and that's plenty of storage for my needs (and I presume many other people's). It's just about managing the space wisely, using utilities like WizTree and CCleaner to get rid of crap you don't need and not having everything installed at once that you aren't using. Also storing data in the cloud and downloading when needed (e.g. OneDrive) is a better solution. You'd have to kill me to go back to a hard drive or even a hybrid drive. HDDs may as well stop production, and the only reason computer manufacturers include 1TB HDDs instead of SSDs are because they wanna fool people into thinking more storage is better.
I use an SSD for my OS and critical programs, a SSHD for my games and other programs, and a HDD for misc files and stuff.
There is actually at least one hybrid drive on the market where the SSD and HDD are viewed seperately, though to use it you must install windows first on the SSD, install the drivers, and then activate the HDD, you end up with a 128GB SSD, and a 1TB HDD in a single 2.5 inch drive, i just wish they would have offered it in a 256+2TB option, because both of them filled up fast on my laptop
the WD Black 2(squared)
it's not really "learning" it's just performing statistical analysis on what data segments are read and written more frequently
Have you guys looked at the Western Digital Black² ? it's 120gb SSD and 1tb HDD. It a pretty good compromise that has both drives in the same 2.5inch. enclosure. The storage controller makes windows think there is two partitions, one 120gb and one 1tb. You should check it out!
I like the idea of a hybrid and an SSD...............so just like the typical HDD / SSD combo, but a bit faster.
0:00 did he just quote the unabombers manifesto??? "You can't eat your cake and have it too". I mean he didn't say it exactly but it was close. That was too damn close.
The WD black^2 beats an SSHD when it comes to laptop storage. 120GB SSD and a 1TB HDD showing up as 2 drives in one drive bay is cool. It even doesnt automatically add files to the memory, you have the freedom to add what programs or files u want to the drives. (besides the OS that gets put on the SSD)
Clearly articulated, concise and to the point. Well explained! 👍
I love this guy. Mr. Linus I am learning soooooooo much from you guys man I'm glad you're all here to give me great options of my interest because I was wondering about this topic a lot but I had already made up my mind to get a sshd and maybe even an ssd also in my build. Anyway ty again
I'm pretty happy with the hybrid in my laptop. It will do for me till really fast SSD's are about £100 for 1TB
yeah same here
lets go guys...its time
@Techquickie
With a SSHD, how does this work when you "format" a drive? Does the flash part also get wiped and it "re-learns" what should go on it?
With a normal laptop you should replace your DVD drive with a HDD bay, for extra storage, and your stock drive with an SSD.
im learning so much
There's a thought: what if the drive had an 'x' sized solid state cache rather than storage? The two could work together (firmware permitting) almost like a RAID pair. Faster speeds, larger storage, and cheaper prices wthis more solution. Then better speeds can be achieved quicker than the SSHD's learned space assignment. The solid state memory component would work almost like RAM in such a case.
but linus you forgot duo drives, that allow you to access the ssd and hdd separately, they're still hybrids and better yet they don't limit themselves to a single 8gb nand chip like most sshd they have full 120gb+ ssd size and another 1+tb of hdd storage
I have a techquickie idea: multiplayer game servers as fast as possible
Thank you for this video!
Seagate has a 2TB Firecuda on Amazon right now for $69.99
Nice
Do they always aim to use the full SSD capacity?
And if yes, wouldn't that make them wear out faster and use up more energy?
I want one of these now
I recently bought a laptop that didn't have a standalone hybrid drive but rather had a 1tb mechanical (5400 rpm nonetheless) and a 16 gb caches m.2 ssd. The laptop was so slow it's like i was back in the days of AOL. opening windows explorer would take sometimes more than 2 minutes. I dropped the extra money and got a samsung 850 pro 500GB ssd and thats the best choice i ever made.
i got a 240ssd and a 1tb hdd together for $120 usd. just look around for deals. patriot has some good ssds that go on sale almost all the time
patriot isn't the best brand but yea drives arn't that expensive
i know its not the best, i mean i got a 240ssd for 70 bucks that clearly isnt the best grade ssd but its an ssd and its enough to store a web broweser, os, and a game or two on there comfortably with a 1tb hdd that houses all the rest of my stuff. buying a 1tb hdd and a 32gb ssd hybrid isnt worth $120 like they showed in the video
I'm using a SSHD for my boot and regular use and a big 5tb for my game library, I do wish my hybrid drive had a bit more flash storage though
Dang boi. I see those gains. keep it up. proud of you.
For some reason I call it Solid State Hard Disk or Solid State Hard Drive
Harddrive types, physical sizes and interfaces as fast as possible? As much as I try to research them...I haven't been able to learn the sizes in laptops and desktops (14mm, 12mm, 2.5 inch?) and actual ports (SATA, mSATA?), probably bc I don't know what to search. Sorry if I'm sounding dumb here
In my experience, most of the time drives come in one of two sizes; 2.5in for laptop HDDs and regular sAta SDDs, 3.5in for regular desktop HDDs, M.2 which are kinda both a size and a connector and the fastest SSDs tend to be PCI-e based.
As for 2.5/3.5in connectors they tend to use the same regular sAta data and power cables. Hope my text isn't too confusing.
Thanks for all the episodes, personal small request, could you explain a bit about Fusion Drive working mechanism on Mac? For example, if one part fails, what kind of files you could retrieve? Thanks!
How about flash method? a.k.a. dumping flash memory into the disk?
Linus, don't know if you read my comment on one of your recent videos and made this, but thank you. I was still wondering what happens if you defrag an SSHD?
my 2tb seagate sshd gets over 200 megabytes a second. putting 2 1tb of these drives in raid 0 could give you over 400 megabytes per second which is on par for most 10x more $ SATA ssds. pcie/m.2 are the only ssds that are worth it. otherwise get a few hybrid drives in raid 0 and youl get the same speed for a 10th of the cost.
I feel like the green screen is too brightly illuminated, and the glow makes Linus look like he has jaundice. Anyone else see this, or is my monitor going bad?
2:30 Plash Storage :D
Samsung 950 pro for operating system and main programs and games. Then 1tb cheap Sandisk budget SSD for storage. Problem solved.
Thank you! This sounds great for my computer build I'm working on!
there's not much difference
Maybe you could review one/benchmark a SSHD. It would be quite interesting how the firmware handles data and what the speeds may be over time.
I love your videos. Detailed and concise. Perfect! :)
my first PC build, and I'm definitely getting a small SSD for my steam library (I'm thinking 480gb) and a 1tb HDD, which I know I will never go through, and if I do, I can easily upgrade because of my case choice. soooo... idk who the target audience is here, because the people who know how to even do a basic custom machine know how a file system works...
But nothing is actually stated about how useful they are. Are they only useful for boot drives or will it load games faster if used as a data drive? This depends on the heuristics it uses to learn which files to store. Would love to see some actual data in regards to whether these things actually make any difference ever, seeing as its completely down to how good or bad the learning algorithm is. I cant find anyone who has actually sat a HDD alongside an SSHD for a month a determined whether there is any actual performance difference.
I'm here in late 2019, it's now more cost effective to just buy an SSD.
found a firecude 1 TB for 50 bucks? or 60 bucks for 2TB? Not sure? what deals have you found on SSD's if you don't mind sharing?
@@itscrucial not as good as what you have, but $200 AUD ($136 USD) for a Samsung 1TB 2.5 inch sata drive. Also $200 AUD for a 512 GB NVMe Samsung 970 pro.
How's that more cost effective?
@@SergioRodriguez-ib6xw Prices went down, but they're still more expensive than an HDD. It's obvious a 1 TB HDD now costs 4 dollars, and it's a lot cheaper than SSD, but when SSD got into the market, prices were very very high.
Not really at all, HDDs are dirt cheap, and a SSHD $60 for 2 TB vs $200+ for equivalent SSD... the ratio of price to storage on HDD vs SSD in 2019 is about 4 to 1, meaning you get about four times the storage in an HDD for the same price as an SSD. That ratio will bumps up 8 to 1 when it’s NVME.
Can you do a video on why the RAM state can't be saved to the storage on shutdown and reloaded when the computer boots again? Especially if you can temporarily allocate ram as system storage.
Wondering why we don't make large 6TB and 8TB SSHDs with 128GB to 256GB flash, so we can have a large capacity drive for a steam library or movies, that speeds up frequently accessed games/movies
Looking to upgrade my PS4 Unsure if i should go with
Seagate 2TB BarraCuda SATA 6Gb/s 128MB Cache 2.5-Inch 7mm Internal Hard Drive (ST2000LM015)
or
Seagate FireCuda Gaming SSHD 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5-Inch Notebooks / Laptops Internal Hard Drive (ST2000LX001)
Aayy linus!
I have got the best suggestion for a workshop video!
What if you take a bunch of sshd drives and put them in a raid 0 array???
What will be the performence of that?