No kidding my QLC intel 512gb 660p SSD in my laptop already lost 2% of its life writing 9,878gb in total😒😑💔 while my dad's old boot drive in his PC which has Corsair Force LS 120gb 2.5 inch SSD still has 100% health , even though it had 19,340gb total writes ❤️
@@JoshuaG idk why ppl don't buy crucials 1TB mx500 m.2, it's TLC but it's great value, paid 65 euro's for 1TB and at least it ain't QLC, it will last 5 years minimum.
Samsung Evo 860 seems to be pretty great for a TLC SSD. The 860 Evo now offers performance similar to the pro (just 10 MBps slower) and much higher endurance than the 850 Evo. The warranty for the 1 TB 860 Evo lasts for 5 years or 600 TB while the Pro lasts over a petabyte. I just got the 1 TB 860 Evo and it seems pretty good so far. TLC SSDs are getting better now. If you think TLC was bad, look at QLC. Samsung is starting to mass produce QLC SSDs this year. They are supposed to be pretty cheap. The problem with QLC SSDs is that the endurance is so bad that Samsung is only producing them in 4 TB capacity, just enough endurance for the average user.
It's important to remember that the longevity of a NAND Flash is heavily dependant on the controller it is coupled with. Be sure to check your SSD or storage device and see what controller is used as it is what is responsible for complex algorithms such as error correction coding, wear leveling and garbage collection.
Actually, you don't need to perform more writes on MLC or TLC flash to store the same amount of data. The reason NAND flash wears out is electrons getting stuck in the floating gate, and skewing the output voltage of the cell. The moment the controller can't distinguish between a 0 and 1 because of this, is when the cell is worn out. Think of a NAND cell as a glass, and electrons as water. in SLC flash, the glass will be either empty or full. in MLC, there will also be empty and full state, but there are also 1/4 and 3/4 full, so 00 = empty, 01 = 1/4 full, 10 = 3/4 full 11 = full. Same principle applies to TLC, but with 16 levels. Now, let's say that instead of water, there is vodka in the glass, and you must drink it every time you determine the binary value in the glass... You can do that for much longer when you just need to see if the glass is empty or full, then with a glass that can have 16 different levels.
Not long ago, I purchased a Sandisk SSD Plus 1TB SLC for my Dell Optiplex 7010/9010DT; after watching this video, I realized I hit a Home Run on the first pitch. I also upgraded the RAM to 16GB Kingston Hyper-X Fury; which paired with the Sandisk SSD Plus 1TB SLC, make a lethal combination as to speed, performance, and reliability. Thank you for the information. :)
Different type of technology and irrelevant to the purview. If they were to make a video on the different types of solidstate memory they could include it
@Techquickie This guide is outdated. QLC SSD are available everywhere and mostly okay, but a closer look is needed. The Amazon 5 Star strategy may backfier in regards of QLC SSDs.
Great video. Thanks for that. I bought my Samsung 840 Evo 500Gb 2,5" ssd new for around 198$ in Sweden in 2014 and have used it regularly since then and still works great. Today i bought a SSDSC2BX012T4 Intel S3610 1,2Tb for 113$ and it has been run for only 18 hours and only a bit more than 1 Tb of data have been written to it. So it's practically new. And my Samsung SSD is TLC while my Intel SSD is of the much better MLC.
I bought a 256GB kingston SSD when SSD's were pretty new. It was so fast at the time and also cost me almost $500. I recently upgraded to a 512gb 850 evo and holy crap it makes the kingston seem like a mechanical drive.
The reason why it's called MLC is because MLC was created when SLC was the only Cell technology. At first, SLC was the only Cell type. Adding more bits per cell makes it much more cheap and easy to manufacture, which is why they were later created. So when the multiple bits per cell concept was made with 2 bits per cell, they called it Multi-Level Cell, MLC.
the video is 6 years old, but just found it and i learned very useful informations from it maybe you can make one that show's us how to know the type of the ssd we have (from outside on the physical ssd itself) i mean some sort of chip or something like that on LLT ❤
I got my first SSD a year or so ago I looked at all this stuff I saw TLC and thought no way I want it to last. SLC was way more $ so that ruled that out ended up with a 128GB Kingston SSD.
This helps out a lot. I'm going into software development and I plan on investing in a Chromebook for when I go to conferences or do traveling... I'm also building a PC that has an SSD
Ioshu Yutani I never said it wasn't a reference to the ammo. I just asked how does that make me a gun nut because liking that ammo doesn't equate to me being a gun nut.
I have 4 years with my 256gb MLC Vertex 4, and their program says it still has 99% of life and I even use it for Hibernation, If you are fine with the TLC performance there is no need to worry about it's longevity, if anything buy a lower capacity one just to have a fast OS, and then in 5 years if you are worried SSDs would be much cheaper so it would be easy to upgrade anyway.
@Iubire Romaneasca It is, but not on my main computer, so I haven't seen the % of life recently Wow that was my first SSD, didn't realize it was almost 10 years ago when I got it
Linus might have added two things: • That the difference in cell longevity hardly matters for average home users: If you're a gamer and download one new 30Gig game every week, a TLC drive will last you forever (that is, until you buy a larger one some five years down the road) • That the difference in performance really only impacts write accesses, reading is comparably fast across the various cell types (the SATA interface really is the limit here). So, home users, go and buy 2TB TLC SSDs. They hold a lot of data and are every bit as fast and reliable as you need them. Just don't build RAIDs out of them, don't run mail, news or database servers on them and you'll be set for years and years.
" That the difference in cell longevity hardly matters for average home users: If you're a gamer and download one new 30Gig game every week" The weasel word being here average home consumer. A Gamer is not an average consumer, rarerly just loads 30 GB a weak and MLC cells are faster. "They hold a lot of data and are every bit as fast and reliable as you need them." Longevity is not a guaranteed number. There is no need to compromise it, unless you are willing to take a risk or upgrade your ssd regularly etc. "So, home users, go and buy 2TB TLC SSDs." Average home users, not gamers, probably have no need for 2 TB ssd storage so since they ain't gamers so , there is little need to pay arround 500 bucks for storage.
Yes, MLC cells are faster, but it doesn't matter for as long as they're attached to a bus that can't handle that extra speed. A SATA drive maxes out at 600MiB/s not because of its cells but because that's the bus limit. As for reliability/longevity/weaseling: look at this: www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/3?_ga=1.120601544.1916196961.1481536121 Then tell me why you'd want your storage device to last any longer than 15years. 15 years ago I ran on a 8GiB drive and it was fine. Today I wouldn't buy a USB stick that small. So again, buy the biggest SSD you can afford even if it may be "slower" than others, don't pay attention to internet panic mongers telling you of slowness and early failure, they're just wrong. You can't discern between 10k or 20k IOPS unless using software that can queue requests that fast, you don't feel the difference between 400MiB/s and 600MiB/s, and it doesn't matter whether the drive fails after 20 or 15 years because by then you'll no longer want to write to it. Don't panic, it'll work just fine.
Long enough, just google SSD endurance. You could write a full 500GB drive per day and it wouldn't die in 10 years. Your HDD is more likely to die during that time.
I can't remember who it was but someone ran a bunch of consumer SSDs through a constant write test to see how long they'd last and quite a few hit the pettabyte mark I believe.
Man im liking this TechQuickie series,especially my computer subject is now a major subject(not a special program)and we are focusing on hardware mostly.My squad including me got a head start because we watched A LOT OF TECHQUICKIE and LinusTechTips so probably we are gonna get high grades because of this,ill be surprised if we can beat out the 2 top students in Grade 8/2nd year high school.
Nice video man, but as you said there are different types of SSDs, such as SLC, MLC, and TLC. SLC being the superior SSD. How would the latest iMac's flash storage compare to the SLC SSD. Or is the flash storage in the latest iMac much more similar to the MLC? And between the MLC SSDs and flash storage, which one is much more durable?
NewEgg.com has a 3DNAND SLC 1TB Drive for 93 bucks and Amazon has it for 90 bucks. How things have changed in 3 years. Best Buy has a Samsung TB SSD that is MLC V-NAND.
What about Samsung 850 EVO ? It is TLC, but is considered to be a very good drive. Also it has 5 year warranty or up to 75TB write(which is more then a regular user will use during 5 year warranty period.
there is talk about 400 mhz bridges and 600 mhz and i just saw a revew at gamers nexus that clearly stated that it was not 2 flexy bridges next to eachother!
Yeah I've killed three TLC drives so far...pretty familiar with the UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION BSOD. Although I'm suspicious one of them was a lemon in the first place. Time to try MLC.
I'm building my first PC, used for video editing and possibly VR. Anyway, I think I'm going ALL SSD!!!! I will probably use a standard hdd for external backup, but I'm throwing in three m.2 nvme drives.
As someone who just bought a QLC drive, I am both satisfied and bummed now lol. It's going to house exclusively video games, so if it dies I don't lose any crucial data that can't be recovered, yay.
Hi, can you help me to give a suggestion on the two different SSD product?. I'm looking in to SSD specification for few days. I was concerned more about the three types of SSD i.e. SLC, MLC and TLC. After lot of research on technical side I have decided to buy SLC at whatever cost. However, I was unaware that SLC are mainly used in the server application or data center and unbelievable costly(my SLC decision was funny). Which was cleared by your video. Now, I have a option to choose MLC and TLC. As per my knowledge Samsung 850 Evo is TLC and Transcend SSD370S is MLC, the price for both are very close in Japan (500 gb). And also from marketing and personal reviews of the product on the internet, people are giving priority to Samsung Evo based on the writing and reading speed but what about the performance and life of SSD? Samsung has shut a mouth of buyer by giving a huge warranty on the product. However the transcend is giving 3 years warranty even they are selling MLC which is good from my understanding. But I don't know which to buy. Even Samsung has not mentioned in his site about 850 Evo as TLC, which is bad. Now, I'm okay to buy any of them, However need your opinion would be helpful as you have better knowledge to choose a product, specially SSD :-P
It's funny how outdated this video is nowadays. SLC and MLC are pretty much non-existent in the consumer space and TLC is for high-end ssds and QLC is for budget ssds.
That's just where the market moved towards. I'm pretty certain that there was a possibility to revolutionise the server storage industry with SLC chips but the consumer market easily settled for the convenience of acceptable speeds at a low price and quite small die
@@mtcuppers yeah, I'm sure the longevity of TLC and QLC NAND has improved in the last 10 years and the price vs speed vs practicality definitely makes TLC AND QLC popular.
Linus, I've never seen much difference in performance between tlc and mlc because I'm still on sata. they all have roughly the same speed until you decide to get nvme ssds.
Good and simple break down ... I hate trying to keep track of acronyms ... now there is V-NAND ... which is probable just rehashed 3d nand for stacking - UGH - seriously the people who exist solely to make these acronyms need to get a better job!
You made memory type the most important thing in an SSD and the component which determines the performances... but I know there are memory controllers and a few other components that really matters in an SSD. You could have at least named those...
Does "...don't last as long...MLC lasts 2x-10x as long" for a consumer computer mean like they will last a yr longer or 50 yrs longer? When would a TCL vs. MLC drive in a consumer computer used for a few hours nightly theoretically last before it fails? Or otherwise put....does it really matter for a typical consumer computer because both may last longer than you will have the computer?
You should make on which is the bes t SSD for recording 4k raw, prores etc on an actual camera. What i mean is which SSD has has the best read/writes throughput to keep up with recording from camera to the SSD or through or to an external recorder like atomos atomos shogun external recorder. I think you would get hundreds of thousand of hits. No one has done a video to help Digital Cinematographers pick the best SSD of rour 4k footage.
Its extremely complicated as to why and im really not going to go into heaps if depth but long story short when a string is being read it basically has to shut down other bits sectors in the cell and then applies an intermediate voltage and measures current coming through the wire to register uf its binary state is a 0 or a 1 and when it is mlc or tcl there is three voltages per cell so that means it has to do it 3 times at different voltages and measure current and compare it to the binary state of the cell. But in short it is because it has to do stuff 3 times per string one one cell. There is higher density but lower speeds. This may be a really bad explanation and is really simplified but i hope you understand.
I get it. Sounds like a cheep marketing ploy for someone who wanted to be the first to sell 100GB ssds or something. If it wears down the hardware that much I'd rather get a classic hard drive with their terabytes of storage. :/ Thanks for the explanation.
In terms of longevity, which would be better: 128GB MLC or 120GB 3D NAND TLC? I'm looking to buy an M.2 2242 SSD. Both are from the same company, but the 3D NAND model is newer.
Fun fact: most samsung phones from the original Galaxy all the way up to the Galaxy S5 or S6 used TLC NAND flash rather than MLC flash, which is why those phones would slow down significantly overtime. My Moto X probably used MLC technology, which is probably why is was fast from the day I got it to the day I accidentally dropped it and the screen broke. That was a really good phone, though.
Not only do they have IDE SSD, what do is get a CF Memory card and use an IDE converter card which is cheap because CF is based on IDE and is pin for pin compatible. IDE133 is similar in speed to SATA1 so a super old computer can very cheaply get an SSD and see a huge improvement. I recently was contacted by a manufacturing company whom had an old Celeron 433 from the p3 gen and was having issues. They wanted the issues fixed and the computer sped up. Slapped a P3 1ghz in it and 512 meg ram. Nice improvement but when I used the cf card for boot it went from 1.5 min load time to 15 seconds. They also said that the machine now processes jobs 40 seconds faster improving productivity. I created an img of the drive and put on a small sd card that I taped inside the case. If the cf ever dies, I can image a new one and be back up in about 10 minutes.
How does TLC need more write cycles per data written than MLC? If anything it needs less. The more plausible explanation on why TLC has a reduced longevity is that needing to differentiate more voltage states needs a higher precision so if anything degrades, it will lead to data corruption more easily than with a binary system. I didn't do any research though, but the explanation in the video doesn't really check out if you ask me.
I think, it may be clearer to say that each TLC cell is subject to more write cycles, as each TLC cell can contain 3 bits of information, compared to 2 of MLC. Possible 3 writes for a TLC cell, and a possible 2 writes for MLC. A MLC drive therefore needs more cells to match an equivalent capacity TLC drive, so each MLC cell has less probability to be written to, as there are more cells, each of 2 bits. Conversely a TLC cell may be written to more, as there are less, for the same capacity drives. So TLC, due to a higher write rate for each cell, generally have a shorter life span.
if you have a 4k sector size you are always writing a minimum of 4096 * 8 = 32768 bits anyway. Why does that not count as a single write to 32768 / 3 = 10923 cells with TLC flash? Can you only address one bit at a time in a cell?
2020: Laughs in QLC
SAMSUNG 980 pro 2TB NVME: laughs in MLC xD
@@MrProtopopescovici *laughs in an elaborate and scumbagy marketing scheme of calling TLC a "3bit MLC". Fixed that for you.
@@ДмитроПрищепа-д3я hey at least it aint QLC you know what im saying :))
No kidding
my QLC intel 512gb 660p SSD in my laptop already lost 2% of its life writing 9,878gb in total😒😑💔
while my dad's old boot drive in his PC which has Corsair Force LS 120gb 2.5 inch SSD still has 100% health , even though it had 19,340gb total writes ❤️
@@JoshuaG idk why ppl don't buy crucials 1TB mx500 m.2, it's TLC but it's great value, paid 65 euro's for 1TB and at least it ain't QLC, it will last 5 years minimum.
This video lasted longer than my TLC SSD
Bad joke
XamN Better than a bad sector...
But Samsung Evos are TLC, aren't they? So how can they be bad? I don't get it.
Samsung Evo 860 seems to be pretty great for a TLC SSD. The 860 Evo now offers performance similar to the pro (just 10 MBps slower) and much higher endurance than the 850 Evo. The warranty for the 1 TB 860 Evo lasts for 5 years or 600 TB while the Pro lasts over a petabyte. I just got the 1 TB 860 Evo and it seems pretty good so far. TLC SSDs are getting better now. If you think TLC was bad, look at QLC. Samsung is starting to mass produce QLC SSDs this year. They are supposed to be pretty cheap. The problem with QLC SSDs is that the endurance is so bad that Samsung is only producing them in 4 TB capacity, just enough endurance for the average user.
@@Sonicrush007 evo 860 is NOT a tlc ssd. I own one. Its mlc
It's important to remember that the longevity of a NAND Flash is heavily dependant on the controller it is coupled with. Be sure to check your SSD or storage device and see what controller is used as it is what is responsible for complex algorithms such as error correction coding, wear leveling and garbage collection.
Actually, you don't need to perform more writes on MLC or TLC flash to store the same amount of data. The reason NAND flash wears out is electrons getting stuck in the floating gate, and skewing the output voltage of the cell. The moment the controller can't distinguish between a 0 and 1 because of this, is when the cell is worn out. Think of a NAND cell as a glass, and electrons as water. in SLC flash, the glass will be either empty or full. in MLC, there will also be empty and full state, but there are also 1/4 and 3/4 full, so 00 = empty, 01 = 1/4 full, 10 = 3/4 full 11 = full. Same principle applies to TLC, but with 16 levels. Now, let's say that instead of water, there is vodka in the glass, and you must drink it every time you determine the binary value in the glass... You can do that for much longer when you just need to see if the glass is empty or full, then with a glass that can have 16 different levels.
Not long ago, I purchased a Sandisk SSD Plus 1TB SLC for my Dell Optiplex 7010/9010DT; after watching this video, I realized I hit a Home Run on the first pitch. I also upgraded the RAM to 16GB Kingston Hyper-X Fury; which paired with the Sandisk SSD Plus 1TB SLC, make a lethal combination as to speed, performance, and reliability. Thank you for the information. :)
Surely MLC (Multi Level Cell) should be renamed DLC (Double Level Cell) Just for the sake of simplicity.
Earlier there were only SLC and MLC, hence it was called Multi. They never expected TLC to be a thing.
Processing Units and CUDA Cores As Fast As Possible
omg I was literally just wondering about this when this video appeared on TH-cam.
Thanks, Linus!
He always does a fast on possible on whatever is on my mind o.o
+newbjumper Gives Linus Media Group name a whole new meaning
well,
"benchmarking" is on my mind i hope he do a vid on it soon.
TH-cam always knows...
google watching and listening thru ur phone
Well done! Good, clean explanations, avoiding the unimportant details we have to wade through on other channels.
I'm glad you dropped the fast as possible caveat. I really absorbed the info you presented in this episode and it all made sense. Thanks Linus!
Dude you're so good with these videos! Always leave me well informed and entertained. Please don't stop, keep it up!
Cheers!
I ran to check my ssd to see what kind were, fortunately all are MLC ...
Today I learned something new , I appreciate your work thank you very much!!!
lol
I don't know why but this video is going to blowup in everyone's YT Suggestion
2 years later, still super useful. Still contemplating that cheap 3d TLC SSD for $30.00
You forgot the MLG Version
Different type of technology and irrelevant to the purview.
If they were to make a video on the different types of solidstate memory they could include it
MLG would be the type that works on the magnetoresistive principle we see used in mram
I ment the MLG in Games XD
@@_who_cares_1123 360 no scope
RPG also
@Techquickie This guide is outdated. QLC SSD are available everywhere and mostly okay, but a closer look is needed.
The Amazon 5 Star strategy may backfier in regards of QLC SSDs.
Great video. Thanks for that. I bought my Samsung 840 Evo 500Gb 2,5" ssd new for around 198$ in Sweden in 2014 and have used it regularly since then and still works great. Today i bought a SSDSC2BX012T4 Intel S3610 1,2Tb for 113$ and it has been run for only 18 hours and only a bit more than 1 Tb of data have been written to it. So it's practically new. And my Samsung SSD is TLC while my Intel SSD is of the much better MLC.
thanks for the video, my wd Black M.2 health dropped 1% in just 144 days and i was looking for info to replace it, and found your video
Every one of these videos I've ever seen has been clear, entertaining, and useful. Subscribed
lol I often watch one of these before reading the relevant chapter in my OS textbook. These videos serve as a good introduction.
How can you dislike this video? What you don't like ssds and prefer hard drives or floppy disks? 😂
Na it's all about them rom laser disks
I carve my data into stones, no data loss ever.
No, gotta make sure that it's safe from the elements, otherwise erosion will have erased all of your data in 10000 years
Or maybe you don't like the video.
In Africa they are called stiffies
I bought a 256GB kingston SSD when SSD's were pretty new. It was so fast at the time and also cost me almost $500. I recently upgraded to a 512gb 850 evo and holy crap it makes the kingston seem like a mechanical drive.
One of the best Techquickie videos of recent times. Very informative and useful.
I love how these videos don't actually desbribe it as fast as possible.
The way he introduced Lynda was smooth.
Shouldn't MLC be named DLC? :D
Technically, it should be, but it is what it is.
I wish then I could also download more ssd and not just ram
The reason why it's called MLC is because MLC was created when SLC was the only Cell technology. At first, SLC was the only Cell type. Adding more bits per cell makes it much more cheap and easy to manufacture, which is why they were later created. So when the multiple bits per cell concept was made with 2 bits per cell, they called it Multi-Level Cell, MLC.
@@weasle2904 Sounds like a Multi-Level Marketing scam to me!!!
did u actally watch the vid
the video is 6 years old, but just found it and i learned very useful informations from it maybe you can make one that show's us how to know the type of the ssd we have (from outside on the physical ssd itself) i mean some sort of chip or something like that on LLT ❤
I got my first SSD a year or so ago I looked at all this stuff I saw TLC and thought no way I want it to last. SLC was way more $ so that ruled that out ended up with a 128GB Kingston SSD.
Techquickie is a teacher in computertechnology, thanks again and kind regards.
This helps out a lot. I'm going into software development and I plan on investing in a Chromebook for when I go to conferences or do traveling... I'm also building a PC that has an SSD
When you realise, TLC isn't actually Tables Ladders Chairs
When you realise that TLC on TV means "The Learning Channel".
When you realise, TLC is actually Tomato, Lettuce & Cheese.
those bastards lied to me
I love the time length of this video. 5:56
+Wowthatsfail
Since you knew the reference doesn't that make you a crazy gun but too?
5:57*
5:56....that's the size of a round for the A2 bull pup rifle.
Wowthatsfail I'm a gun nut? Explain?
Ioshu Yutani I never said it wasn't a reference to the ammo. I just asked how does that make me a gun nut because liking that ammo doesn't equate to me being a gun nut.
I have 4 years with my 256gb MLC Vertex 4, and their program says it still has 99% of life and I even use it for Hibernation, If you are fine with the TLC performance there is no need to worry about it's longevity, if anything buy a lower capacity one just to have a fast OS, and then in 5 years if you are worried SSDs would be much cheaper so it would be easy to upgrade anyway.
@Iubire Romaneasca It is, but not on my main computer, so I haven't seen the % of life recently
Wow that was my first SSD, didn't realize it was almost 10 years ago when I got it
I was searching video on the same and you included all the important points. 👍
Linus might have added two things:
• That the difference in cell longevity hardly matters for average home users: If you're a gamer and download one new 30Gig game every week, a TLC drive will last you forever (that is, until you buy a larger one some five years down the road)
• That the difference in performance really only impacts write accesses, reading is comparably fast across the various cell types (the SATA interface really is the limit here).
So, home users, go and buy 2TB TLC SSDs. They hold a lot of data and are every bit as fast and reliable as you need them. Just don't build RAIDs out of them, don't run mail, news or database servers on them and you'll be set for years and years.
" That the difference in cell longevity hardly matters for average home users: If you're a gamer and download one new 30Gig game every week"
The weasel word being here average home consumer. A Gamer is not an average consumer, rarerly just loads 30 GB a weak and MLC cells are faster.
"They hold a lot of data and are every bit as fast and reliable as you need them."
Longevity is not a guaranteed number. There is no need to compromise it, unless you are willing to take a risk or upgrade your ssd regularly etc.
"So, home users, go and buy 2TB TLC SSDs."
Average home users, not gamers, probably have no need for 2 TB ssd storage so since they ain't gamers so , there is little need to pay arround 500 bucks for storage.
Yes, MLC cells are faster, but it doesn't matter for as long as they're attached to a bus that can't handle that extra speed. A SATA drive maxes out at 600MiB/s not because of its cells but because that's the bus limit.
As for reliability/longevity/weaseling: look at this:
www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/3?_ga=1.120601544.1916196961.1481536121
Then tell me why you'd want your storage device to last any longer than 15years. 15 years ago I ran on a 8GiB drive and it was fine. Today I wouldn't buy a USB stick that small.
So again, buy the biggest SSD you can afford even if it may be "slower" than others, don't pay attention to internet panic mongers telling you of slowness and early failure, they're just wrong. You can't discern between 10k or 20k IOPS unless using software that can queue requests that fast, you don't feel the difference between 400MiB/s and 600MiB/s, and it doesn't matter whether the drive fails after 20 or 15 years because by then you'll no longer want to write to it. Don't panic, it'll work just fine.
You guys always say that SSDs don't last as long as an , but how long it actually lasts?
Long enough, just google SSD endurance.
You could write a full 500GB drive per day and it wouldn't die in 10 years. Your HDD is more likely to die during that time.
I agree...
I can't remember who it was but someone ran a bunch of consumer SSDs through a constant write test to see how long they'd last and quite a few hit the pettabyte mark I believe.
idk, longer than a hard disk anyway
You know what Linus? I wouldn't mind becoming like you.
**Laughs in PLC**
Man im liking this TechQuickie series,especially my computer subject is now a major subject(not a special program)and we are focusing on hardware mostly.My squad including me got a head start because we watched A LOT OF TECHQUICKIE and LinusTechTips so probably we are gonna get high grades because of this,ill be surprised if we can beat out the 2 top students in Grade 8/2nd year high school.
So did you?
Nice video man, but as you said there are different types of SSDs, such as SLC, MLC, and TLC. SLC being the superior SSD. How would the latest iMac's flash storage compare to the SLC SSD. Or is the flash storage in the latest iMac much more similar to the MLC? And between the MLC SSDs and flash storage, which one is much more durable?
1:10 are u pulling that text out of ur ass, Linus?? 😂
NewEgg.com has a 3DNAND SLC 1TB Drive for 93 bucks and Amazon has it for 90 bucks. How things have changed in 3 years. Best Buy has a Samsung TB SSD that is MLC V-NAND.
And now we're getting QLCs!
Which is extremely bad lol
John Devadhas damn this was two years ago
I cringe reading my comment
@@abdulahad04 it's chill :)) we all make mistakes haha
@@abdulahad04 you have my respect you replied on such an old comment lol
Hey linus, I was wondering if you could do a top 5 or suggestion video on computer chairs, that would be awesome, great vids btw. :)
What about Samsung 850 EVO ? It is TLC, but is considered to be a very good drive. Also it has 5 year warranty or up to 75TB write(which is more then a regular user will use during 5 year warranty period.
linus do a test with the new sli bridges ppl are confused
You realize its just two sli bridges stuck together, right?
there is talk about 400 mhz bridges and 600 mhz and i just saw a revew at gamers nexus that clearly stated that it was not 2 flexy bridges next to eachother!
jootai hmmm.... I... Don't... Know... What... You..
Are talking about.
just youtube gamers nexus and check out the 1070 sli review and get back here!
when the ad hits you out of nowhere its like getting Rickrolled by Linus
My time machine seems to be broken, but I've learned a lot, thanks Linus.
I usually never laugh really hard in these but this was really funny guys gj.
Funny to see when Linus is in good mood. He explains even what a bit is...
What product would you recommend for the fastest M.2 drive? I want to use it as my boot up drive
Yeah I've killed three TLC drives so far...pretty familiar with the UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION BSOD. Although I'm suspicious one of them was a lemon in the first place. Time to try MLC.
I'm building my first PC, used for video editing and possibly VR. Anyway, I think I'm going ALL SSD!!!! I will probably use a standard hdd for external backup, but I'm throwing in three m.2 nvme drives.
As someone who just bought a QLC drive, I am both satisfied and bummed now lol. It's going to house exclusively video games, so if it dies I don't lose any crucial data that can't be recovered, yay.
Hi, can you help me to give a suggestion on the two different SSD product?. I'm looking in to SSD specification for few days. I was concerned more about the three types of SSD i.e. SLC, MLC and TLC. After lot of research on technical side I have decided to buy SLC at whatever cost. However, I was unaware that SLC are mainly used in the server application or data center and unbelievable costly(my SLC decision was funny). Which was cleared by your video. Now, I have a option to choose MLC and TLC. As per my knowledge Samsung 850 Evo is TLC and Transcend SSD370S is MLC, the price for both are very close in Japan (500 gb). And also from marketing and personal reviews of the product on the internet, people are giving priority to Samsung Evo based on the writing and reading speed but what about the performance and life of SSD? Samsung has shut a mouth of buyer by giving a huge warranty on the product. However the transcend is giving 3 years warranty even they are selling MLC which is good from my understanding. But I don't know which to buy. Even Samsung has not mentioned in his site about 850 Evo as TLC, which is bad. Now, I'm okay to buy any of them, However need your opinion would be helpful as you have better knowledge to choose a product, specially SSD :-P
3:03 Linus scratching his ass
Hey linus.. Make a video on Universal Flash Storage (UFS) memory
You gotta admit, Linus does great transitions to their ads lol
So what’s a good SSD to put into a PS4 Pro?
Samsung Evo or Samsung Pro?
It's funny how outdated this video is nowadays. SLC and MLC are pretty much non-existent in the consumer space and TLC is for high-end ssds and QLC is for budget ssds.
That's just where the market moved towards. I'm pretty certain that there was a possibility to revolutionise the server storage industry with SLC chips but the consumer market easily settled for the convenience of acceptable speeds at a low price and quite small die
@@mtcuppers yeah, I'm sure the longevity of TLC and QLC NAND has improved in the last 10 years and the price vs speed vs practicality definitely makes TLC AND QLC popular.
Linus, I've never seen much difference in performance between tlc and mlc because I'm still on sata. they all have roughly the same speed until you decide to get nvme ssds.
You guys should check the color temperature settings. The studio material is way too blueish. p.s. liked anyway :)
Why did you skip over the 3D-NAND SSDs? While some say they won't last as long, Samsung gives the Evo SSD a 5 yr warranty.
sing it:
"Dont go chase the waterfalls..."
Mac OSX versions Explained Please!
hey do a video about benchmarking
like the history benifits appd etc...
plz
This is actually VERY informative and helpful... hey, you get a thumbs up!
This is what I need to know. Thank you Linus :D
Good and simple break down ... I hate trying to keep track of acronyms ... now there is V-NAND ... which is probable just rehashed 3d nand for stacking - UGH - seriously the people who exist solely to make these acronyms need to get a better job!
Linus bringing in the good videos.
Appreciate it
You made memory type the most important thing in an SSD and the component which determines the performances... but I know there are memory controllers and a few other components that really matters in an SSD.
You could have at least named those...
anyone else see the fly 2:04
yeah me too,i though I was the only one who saw that
bottom left
Devinr.131 I saw it fly in and out real quick.
This guy is smart. Both physically and mentally. :p
Thank you man, You are simply "THE BEST"
Question: can MLC and TLC be considered analog data storage since they rely on varying transistor resistance to represent the data?
2:04 dat fly is such a rebel
Very learnful and interesting video!
What is the name of the companies that provide the SLC?
Wd blue
Does "...don't last as long...MLC lasts 2x-10x as long" for a consumer computer mean like they will last a yr longer or 50 yrs longer?
When would a TCL vs. MLC drive in a consumer computer used for a few hours nightly theoretically last before it fails?
Or otherwise put....does it really matter for a typical consumer computer because both may last longer than you will have the computer?
You should make on which is the bes t SSD for recording 4k raw, prores etc on an actual camera. What i mean is which SSD has has the best read/writes throughput to keep up with recording from camera to the SSD or through or to an external recorder like atomos atomos shogun external recorder. I think you would get hundreds of thousand of hits. No one has
done a video to help Digital Cinematographers pick the best SSD of rour 4k footage.
I bought my first SSD few months ago, and it's like having a super computer.
and now that drive is dead long time ago instead the good old Hdd its still spinning
@@leart78 Wow, you couldn't find any older comment to reply to? But no, it's still works like a charm.
Thanks a lot mate, a lots informations n very easily explained
hey linus .. what is your thoughts on the seagate Nytro ? i have not seen a seagate ssd unless in a hybrid ..
Are the SLC drives I see from Sandisk on newegg fake? It's $45 for a 120 gig. Sandisk z410.
Does TLC perform slower because it has to do some tricky repetitive read & write operation to get to that third cell? What exactly makes it "slower"?
Its extremely complicated as to why and im really not going to go into heaps if depth but long story short when a string is being read it basically has to shut down other bits sectors in the cell and then applies an intermediate voltage and measures current coming through the wire to register uf its binary state is a 0 or a 1 and when it is mlc or tcl there is three voltages per cell so that means it has to do it 3 times at different voltages and measure current and compare it to the binary state of the cell. But in short it is because it has to do stuff 3 times per string one one cell. There is higher density but lower speeds. This may be a really bad explanation and is really simplified but i hope you understand.
I get it.
Sounds like a cheep marketing ploy for someone who wanted to be the first to sell 100GB ssds or something. If it wears down the hardware that much I'd rather get a classic hard drive with their terabytes of storage. :/
Thanks for the explanation.
You should do a video about that new quartz crystal thingy that can store 360 terabytes per cubic centimeter.
In terms of longevity, which would be better: 128GB MLC or 120GB 3D NAND TLC? I'm looking to buy an M.2 2242 SSD. Both are from the same company, but the 3D NAND model is newer.
Brink Back the 4.5" Floppy! Those were the days.
Fun fact: most samsung phones from the original Galaxy all the way up to the Galaxy S5 or S6 used TLC NAND flash rather than MLC flash, which is why those phones would slow down significantly overtime. My Moto X probably used MLC technology, which is probably why is was fast from the day I got it to the day I accidentally dropped it and the screen broke. That was a really good phone, though.
BUT how long does a tlc ssd last with normal use? If it lasts 10 years or something it's not really needed to have a ssd that last 100x longer.
This was a very informative video!
Could you do a video about databases?
Linus you just earned me 6 points on my homework
Should also consider, however, whether or not the old computer is using sata 3 or sata 6.
I just found out the other day that they have IDE SSDs lol.
IDE SSD? ok that I didn't know EVEN EXSISTED!
Not only do they have IDE SSD, what do is get a CF Memory card and use an IDE converter card which is cheap because CF is based on IDE and is pin for pin compatible. IDE133 is similar in speed to SATA1 so a super old computer can very cheaply get an SSD and see a huge improvement. I recently was contacted by a manufacturing company whom had an old Celeron 433 from the p3 gen and was having issues. They wanted the issues fixed and the computer sped up. Slapped a P3 1ghz in it and 512 meg ram. Nice improvement but when I used the cf card for boot it went from 1.5 min load time to 15 seconds. They also said that the machine now processes jobs 40 seconds faster improving productivity. I created an img of the drive and put on a small sd card that I taped inside the case. If the cf ever dies, I can image a new one and be back up in about 10 minutes.
How does TLC need more write cycles per data written than MLC? If anything it needs less. The more plausible explanation on why TLC has a reduced longevity is that needing to differentiate more voltage states needs a higher precision so if anything degrades, it will lead to data corruption more easily than with a binary system.
I didn't do any research though, but the explanation in the video doesn't really check out if you ask me.
I think, it may be clearer to say that each TLC cell is subject to more write cycles, as each TLC cell can contain 3 bits of information, compared to 2 of MLC. Possible 3 writes for a TLC cell, and a possible 2 writes for MLC.
A MLC drive therefore needs more cells to match an equivalent capacity TLC drive, so each MLC cell has less probability to be written to, as there are more cells, each of 2 bits. Conversely a TLC cell may be written to more, as there are less, for the same capacity drives. So TLC, due to a higher write rate for each cell, generally have a shorter life span.
mojoNoodlz Ok, that actually makes sense, thanks!
Can you please make a video on different types of boards please! ATX,mini itx what it all means
He alredy made one
it's just the size of the board..
chipsets would be much more interesting to make a video on, but sadly that would need an update quite frequently
how about 3D NAND like WD blue? it still list itself as TLC, but most review praise 3D NAND is worth it
if you have a 4k sector size you are always writing a minimum of 4096 * 8 = 32768 bits anyway. Why does that not count as a single write to 32768 / 3 = 10923 cells with TLC flash? Can you only address one bit at a time in a cell?
holy shit man some esoteric hidden knowledge here
Awesome, these guys really save the nerves and a life time :) thnx a lot!