The 2011 World Cup Final is probably the most contentious event in rugby. Because of the context (World Cup final), the number of tendentious decisions and the international reaction that followed.
The Wales vs Italy call is the worst one for me - there's no debate to be had over it - the ref said 'yes you have time' and then ended the game. One of the worst decisions made by a professional referee of all time.
It's very difficult for me not to go with the AB's vs France, that was (and still is IMO) the most blatant forward pass of all time - however that call was one of the worst referee stitch-ups ever perpetrated by an official.
Tbf, it would have been a travesty if Wales had won that match. It was a few dodgy decisions that meant they were still in the game. The Mike Phillips try against Ireland was way worse than this because it resulted in a try. The Italy error only resulted in a lineout which, the way Wales were playing, they'd probably have ballsed it up anyway.
You mean rightly getting carded for illegally playing at the ball at an offside position while engaging in a defending ruck and slapping the face of the opponent?
@@Wotan993 They did. But it was the third such incident in the tournament and the other two were both given yellow cards and suspended after the game. Let's face it though, the 2011 RWC was an adjudicating shit show! From this incident to Bryce Lawrence to England cheating and being told to sort it out internally to the refereeing performance in the final.
that's not unusual - the New Zealand commentators called Bismarck du Plessis offsides when he tackled Dan Carter.... from open play following a 22 yard drop out.... every commentator sees things from his / her own bias.
True, and I fear for how stuff like that will be shown in the replays during the World Cup next year. The French TV directors are terrible for showing anything on the big screen against any French team.
Some of these you can understand, but some of them are truly awful, awful decisions. World Rugby still has some way to go to improving the standard of officiating even today.
Most of his poor decisions end up saving Australian teams from taking one in the loss column as well. I used to wonder whether he was after Australian citizenship, he was so heavily biased towards Aussie teams.
@@deansisqoxv20 The 2014 Super final last minute decision to award a penalty to the Waratahs which gave them their one and only Super title was clearly wrong . He acknowledged this by ringing the Crusaders coach a few days later and apologising for his error. Cold comfort to coach Blackadder He was the only Crusaders coach not to win the title.
@@MrAhuapai Yeah, robbed McCaw of a great decision-making moment there, it was an amazing call to go for the jackal to kill that game, and Joubert f-ed it up and gave the title to the Waratahs.
The 2011 World Cup Final is probably the most contentious event in rugby. Because of the context (a World Cup final) the number of tendentious decisions in the same game and the international reaction that followed. I expected to see it last
Well, Rougerie's fingers in McCaw's eyes and the marks showing on his face kind of evens the score a bit. Shouldn't have been playing for the next year or so, but didn't even cop a penalty.
I would normally defend my fellow countryman, but.... Three strikes against Craig. It was against Australia. The call went against my second team, The Scots. He was wrong on every level possible and didn't use all options available to him. I won't be buying him a beer any time soon.
Tough calls, all of them, some good calls and some bad ones. But you have to admire the players’ respect for the ref. Can you imagine that in football???
3 suggestions 1 the 'wishbone' tackle on Brian O'Driscoll by Mealamu and Umana 2 Ireland's first try in Grand Slam match 2018 - a later replay not shown at time of score shows Kearney knocked on 3 The final pass in 1973's try of the century was at least as forward as Michalak's against All Blacks
Other than the Cueto one (not contentious at all, since his foot was clearly out of play before he grounded the ball), and the penalty against Scotland v Australia in the 2015 RWC quarter final should be higher on the list (guess which nation I'm from 😁), it's a good list. Surprised you didn't put in the recent ABs v Australia ending in - that's a good starting point for part 2
There was nothing controversial about that decision, just an unsighted referee who blew on what he saw / thought he saw. It was no worse than any other decision that went one way instead of the other. It was not cool of Joubert to run off the field at the end but that decision or type of decision is one we see week after week.
@@Karma-qt4ji It was controversial enough that world rugby issued a statement to say Joubert got it wrong, the day after the game. They don't often chime in like that. It also materially affected the outcome of the game, it being the last play of said game, and had the correct decision been made (scrum Australia), the odds would have been heavily in favour of Scotland holding out to win. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree?
@@MrSpleenboy World Rugby only ever come out with a statement when one of the Home Nations spits their dummy out, as Scotland did here. It was the *only* one of these incidents where they bothered to make a statement and even then, their statement was not just about an error by the referee, but confirmation that they had ' looked at every angle... something Joubert was not permitted to do under the TMO protocols' - that's paraphrased but you can get the official statement online and that is pretty much what it says. They were appeasing the Scottish mob while defending Joubert, simple as. While yes, I concede that the decision probably did decide the game, it was nothing more than a decision made by an unsighted referee, the same decision almost every referee in his position would have made. The TMO protocols were changed immediately after the tournament and they saved Poite from making a similar unsighted decision that would have cost the BI Lions the series if he had stuck to what he thought he had seen. Has it never occurred to you that both Joubert and Poite were unsighted, thought they saw a clear knock forward that was caught in front by a team mate and automatically called for a penalty?
@@Karma-qt4ji I asked if you'd agree to disagree - I guess you didn't agree to that? 😉 The decision was controversial enough that the WRC commented on it, and changed the TMO protocols straight after the tournament was done. Both of the above actions were, at the time, unprecedented. Ergo, the decision was, as it says in the title of the video, contentious Whether or not the referee was unsighted is irrelevant to the argument here. I maintain that Joubert knew exactly what he'd done, hence his Brave Sir Robin reaction as soon as he blew the whistle...
@@MrSpleenboy The decision was made substantially more controversial by the massive outcry from the Scottish fans, pundits and media, accusing Joubert of making a conscious effort to rob them of the game, an attitude that you yourself have just mirrored. He ran off the field at the end because he was ashamed of his poor decision - by the time the kick was taken, they had shown the replay so many times on the big screen that everyone in the stadium knew what had really happened. Controversial? Yeah sure. Higher on the list than most of the other things here? Not even close. As a neutral in that game, there was nothing more in it that than a bad decision by an unsighted referee, and if a bad decision by an unsighted referee is controversial, then every single game results in controversy. The only thing controversial about this one, and the Wayne Barnes' missing that marginally forward pass in '07, is the extent to which the fans reacted, with both referees being accused of match fixing. Literally!
I was at the 2017 lions game, Not only did Romain get it completely wrong and cost NZ the win, he never played advantage and NZ could have scored a try. Destroyed an amazing series.
The 2019 welsh team easily goes down as the worst team to win a six nations grand slam. The referee might as well have scored the tries for them it was so slanted.
@@stevenmcalister826 The fuck are you on about? The 2019 Welsh team was one for the greatest sides in rugby history period, they also became the first Welsh side to get to the world number 1 spot. I believe you mean the 2021 six nations where they were shit and won
Lions fan here. That decision in the 3rd test of the NZ tour was awful, 100% a penalty to the ABs anywhere else on the field at any other time in the match.
Neutral here. I agree with Jonathon Kaplan's view that Read should have penalised for taking Williams out in the air - Williams had taken the space and was going for the ball and Read had no realistic chance of getting there; nett result was a shoulder to the back of Williams who landed very awkwardly. By today's standards that would have been a lot worse than just a penalty.
It should have been a penalty to the lions for Ried taking out williams in the air with no realistic chance of catching the ball. Lions hard done by there. I would suggest NZ knew this which is why they went for the quick tap
@@Karma-qt4ji Read has every right to compete for the ball and had momentum running and *facing the ball,* whilst Williams is back peddling with his *back to the ball* Maybe if Williams was *stationary facing the ball* and Read collided with him then *YES* Penalty Lions! but both Williams and Read were on the move for the ball, meaning not one player had stationary rights ala *"better position"* so 50/50 call really and play on! As for the *offside* was clear as mud and the Lions Prop gave himself up when he dropped the ball and *surrendered* 👐 his hands in the air, *Penalty* all day.
@@MeanAzz_13 A world class highly experienced referee reviewed the matter and says that you are wrong, mate. Williams was back pedalling towards the ball but still got the space in the air first, caught the ball (which was dislodged when Read hit him in the back) and even had a lifter beneath him who was also taken out by Williams. Of course you are allowed to go for a ball, but if you have no realistic chance of getting to it and are simply playing the player in the air then you get penalised.
Not sure why the England 2007 WC none try is top of the list. Clear and obvious foot in touch well before grounding. Is it top of the list because it caused the most outrage?
So is the Scotland v Australia clip - a bad decision made by a referee based on what little he saw and something that every referee does. Would have been a minor thing had Scottish pundits not called for the referees head. We have had far worse decisions, even in World Cups and WR changed the TMO protocols *after* this game to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
People may differ over whether Cueto's foot was in touch. But surely the game should have restarted not simply with a penalty, but with a yellow card.. After all, if illegally preventing a try just short of the line in the World Cup Final shouldn't get yellow, then what should?
@@paulsmith3966 Burger came in from the side at the tackle situation but he did not prevent a try from being scored by doing so, in fact he had no impact at all. If anyone slowed the ball down, it was Pietersen, on his feet over the ruck in an onside position legally attempting to play the ball. Do you not think that if a try was prevented close to the line by the actions of a defender, that they actually would have not have looked for a penalty try instead of just penalising the player? Do you not think England would have asked the question?
Thank you, Karma, for the detailed response--although I have to say my recollection doesn't tally with yours, (but I admit I've not looked at reruns of the incident since it happened).
Best thing about videos like this is those who think their opinion is substantiated and correct yet they are just Hypocritical because vast majority won't actually pick up a whistle to Referee a game & show the would they can back up their words with actions
The issue here is consistency, during that world cup there had been two other similar tackles both 'worse' than Sam Warburton's in my opinion. These resulted, in one case, of the award of a penalty & in the other a penalty & a yellow card. Thus the sending off of the Wales captain was way out of proportion to that which had gone before, especially in a game of that importance. What players & fans alike want most of all is consistency in decision making, not the arbitrary knee jerk reactions that we have endured, & still endure today. I don't know if your vision is faulty but it seems to me that Warburton laid him flat on his back after the tackle & certainly not on his neck or head. The IRB are a blight on the game with their constant ill thought meddling with the games laws, presumably in an effort to justify their existence. This great game of ours flourishes despite the IRB & not because of them. Sorry to be so long winded but you know the Welsh, we're great talkers & I got carried away.
When France play in France in the 6 nations or any autumn international the TV editors will never to show a replay of the French doing wrong, be it a high tackle, forward pass or eye gouging if the ref doesn’t see it. If the visiting team do anything they immediately show it on the big screen, I noticed this during the lockdown matches and it stayed that why since.
And the irish director did the exact same thing last weekend, not showing Lowe's foot in touch on the second try and not showing the late tackle on Dumortier at the beginning of the 2nd half ! Stop complaining and pointing out french rugby all the time. How many controversial decisions for France in this video, apart from the quarter final 2007 with NZ - Wayne Barnes still being one of the worst ref to this day and nothing will get him kicked out ! - How many for Ireland and England ?
Doesn't change that much to the game. Nice try in itself. Ireland stronger that day. Barnes still borderline incompetent. Just illustrating : stop pointing out one team or one country for those sort of things.
Well, that's kind of reassuring, in that there's never been a time in the last 20 years when rugby refereeing hasn't been an absolute f*cking joke. At least they're consistent.
That france forward pass was the best thing that happened for the all blacks they learnt a good lesson that day. And they went back to back wcs the following years.
I am so not the rugby rules expert, but I have seen many a fwd pass by NZ against R.S.A. in World Cup finals that looked as clear as day. No! It would appear. And then, REPLAYS from other angles are as rare as hens teeth. Strange advantage decisions long after the advantage seemed irrelevant as normal play had begun a flow. No! the minute possession switched; called back to play the advantage. No, i have seen now mos def, too many incorrect and suspicious decisions occurring with UEFA Champions league soccer, Premiership VAR decisions, Formula 1 motor racing, World cup Rugby and admittedly I have not really seen Cricket's rigging scenarios but too many players implicated in fixing and found guilty. One has to imagine WHO has the persuasive power on the day to influence a result. I imagine owners making bets with their extremely wealthy friends and negotiating a little of this and that. Talking to one another from their mega yachts with a bit of a chuckle. Next time, you win okay? Alright buddy(wink wink). We are so naive and gullible. Money is king. For sure.
@@clippedrugby14 several contentious calls, but also many pretty uncontentious ones as well. The England foot on the line, for example, is far from disputable and I'm an England supporter 😅
It’s been argued that the ball was kicked out the ruck by an Ireland player and that the pass to Bealham was forward - the ref didn’t necessarily make it a mistake but it was controversial
@@THEMRblackboy7thst even if it was a mistake it's still illegal and sa got called for the exact same thing in the same game as well. mainly controversial because of the inconsistency
Indeed. The ref clearly asked for clarification as to whether it was the original ball or not. That said, I can understand why the touch judge thought it was, as the ball boy comes from the same direction the ball went out. Saying he lied is a bit strong, but given the importance of the call, they should have taken a moment to verify however.
@@Heathen.Deity. the touch judge told the referee that it was the same ball. This implied that he saw it all the way. Therefore it becomes a lie because he obviously did not. The referee is now not in a position to review further
South africa should of beating England after farrell shoulder charge which the reason but then again south africa won the world cup against England 32 12
The Wales-Italy one was dumb, the Welsh asked if there was time, the ref said they had 10 seconds, they then took 10 seconds to decide whether to go for it, before kicking it into touch only after 10 seconds had elapsed. I get that they asked the ref if there was time to do that but at the time they asked, there was, and by the time they kicked it, there wasn't. That 10 seconds decision-making time felt like an eternity watching the game, screaming at them to make their minds up before they ran out of time. And I think that particular game is a large part of why the kick to touch and lineout is considered one act and you can use a penalty in that manner after the clock goes red nowadays.
The ref said 10 seconds then they kicked it out less than 5 seconds later. If that space between the ref taking and wales taking the kick, that’s the fastest 10 seconds I’ve ever seen
first you had the ruck incident and the pass from number 1 to the other prop was clearly forward. The stormers kick, you you reduce the speed of the footage you can see the ball going behind the right post
What the others said - ball kicked out of the ruck by an Irish foot and a probably forward pass As for the Stormers kick - I would say error of parallax perhaps, but the neutral assistant referee sitting underneath the post had the best view and he said it was good.
What as series of messing up a game. The fact that France had a try allowed from a forward pass I have no problem with, as I have seen loads of similar tries awarded in favour of the All Blacks throughout the years. Not allowing the England try against South Africa with all the aid of that photographic freeze frame evidence was criminal.
Well are we saying that referees are cheating? If not, lets accept that the (lowest paid) person on the field is doing his best, in a fast complex and often violent game, and accept that he is human and return to the spirit of the game. We're already learning too much from the game from Professional football.
This video was clearly made by an Englishman. That disallowed try in the 2007 final is clearly out. The English player's foot TOUCHED THE CHALK BEFORE PLACING THE BALL. Cry all you want, but that is controversial for you Poms alone. Get over it. Just move on.
WR HAS DESTRIYED THE GAME WITH USELESS PROTECTED REFS. MIRE AND MORE RULES TO TAKE THE JOY OUT OF THE GAME. ITS IUR GAME NOT THEIRS. WR SHOULD BE DISBANDED AND A NEW BODY STARTED WHO LIVES THE GAME.
I'm betting before this vid started, there was a little army of saffas thinking......... "Yahsus boet, now these okes will know the depth of our suffering that we alone have had to bear from anti-bok referees" ......only to discover their imagined pain & victimhood is just that, imagined.
Thanks for watching! Suggestions for Part Two?
Wales Crosskick while England were in a huddle under the posts.
Bloodgate
Quick Tap by Ireland Vs SA (O'Gara scored)
Definitely the O’Driscoll tip-tackle for the lions. NZ took him out with two players and no red card given.
Duplessis tackle on Carter.
The 2011 World Cup Final is probably the most contentious event in rugby. Because of the context (World Cup final), the number of tendentious decisions and the international reaction that followed.
The Wales vs Italy call is the worst one for me - there's no debate to be had over it - the ref said 'yes you have time' and then ended the game. One of the worst decisions made by a professional referee of all time.
It's very difficult for me not to go with the AB's vs France, that was (and still is IMO) the most blatant forward pass of all time - however that call was one of the worst referee stitch-ups ever perpetrated by an official.
Tbf, it would have been a travesty if Wales had won that match. It was a few dodgy decisions that meant they were still in the game. The Mike Phillips try against Ireland was way worse than this because it resulted in a try. The Italy error only resulted in a lineout which, the way Wales were playing, they'd probably have ballsed it up anyway.
@@jerrywhite3249 watch a Crusaders game if you want to see forward passes more blatant than that.
Yeah but it’s against wales so who cares
I definitely get that but also it was a mistake. If he let them take the lineout, that would be so much worse.
Faf de Klerk not getting Red carded for not "nearly killing" Nick White should be on this list. Otherwise, great list, mate! Cheers from South Africa.
You mean rightly getting carded for illegally playing at the ball at an offside position while engaging in a defending ruck and slapping the face of the opponent?
This is the most infuriating video that I’ve ever watched. 😂
whats controvesial at 7:30?
The player is clearly returned, the french player's hips are over his head and the he lands on his head, clear red card.
Clear red today, in 2011 I don't think people expected it
@@Wotan993 They did. But it was the third such incident in the tournament and the other two were both given yellow cards and suspended after the game. Let's face it though, the 2011 RWC was an adjudicating shit show! From this incident to Bryce Lawrence to England cheating and being told to sort it out internally to the refereeing performance in the final.
landed on his back no way thats a red most a yellow but that is not a red card offence
@@jamesegan2404 he landed on his head almost at the exact same time, it's highly dangerous and intentional, clearest red card in the last 20 years!
The fact that we are even debating it shows what is wrong with the rugby laws. No one understands them.
Its not just the ref and the touch judges. The TMOs could have got themselves involved in most of these. They have the benefit of video recall.
Lebok’s kick went through the posts - I just looked like it didn’t because of the sun’s angle on tv. I was there - it went very clearly through.
Correct, I was there as well. Great kick
Yes indeed, I was at the stadium that day too and it definitely went through. The fade out happened after the ball went through the posts.
Indeed. Only drifts to our right of the post once it’s already passed through.
I like the way that the French commentators don't even mention the possibility of a forward pass v New Zealand....
that's not unusual - the New Zealand commentators called Bismarck du Plessis offsides when he tackled Dan Carter.... from open play following a 22 yard drop out.... every commentator sees things from his / her own bias.
@@Karma-qt4ji That is because you are not allowed to tackle Dan Carter! 🙂
True, and I fear for how stuff like that will be shown in the replays during the World Cup next year. The French TV directors are terrible for showing anything on the big screen against any French team.
What forward pass?
Well, to be honest, the clip is cut just when the commentator start to ask: "Wasn't it forward?"
Some of these you can understand, but some of them are truly awful, awful decisions. World Rugby still has some way to go to improving the standard of officiating even today.
3:15 clearly wales was robbed there when the referee said 10 seconds left
Joubert has got more than one match deciding decision wrong at the highest level. Mistakes that he had to apologise for later.
Most of his poor decisions end up saving Australian teams from taking one in the loss column as well. I used to wonder whether he was after Australian citizenship, he was so heavily biased towards Aussie teams.
That wasn’t a bad decision by Joubert. In real time, he saw it an offside and called it thus.
@@deansisqoxv20 The 2014 Super final last minute decision to award a penalty to the Waratahs which gave them their one and only Super title was clearly wrong . He acknowledged this by ringing the Crusaders coach a few days later and apologising for his error. Cold comfort to coach Blackadder He was the only Crusaders coach not to win the title.
@@MrAhuapai Yeah, robbed McCaw of a great decision-making moment there, it was an amazing call to go for the jackal to kill that game, and Joubert f-ed it up and gave the title to the Waratahs.
@@thomas_corbet yep
The 2011 World Cup Final is probably the most contentious event in rugby. Because of the context (a World Cup final) the number of tendentious decisions in the same game and the international reaction that followed.
I expected to see it last
To me the semi-final of the 1995 World Cup. 3 tries refused for France and an imaginary granted to South Africa.
@@troriskSA were always winning that game, no matter the tries scored
Well, Rougerie's fingers in McCaw's eyes and the marks showing on his face kind of evens the score a bit. Shouldn't have been playing for the next year or so, but didn't even cop a penalty.
sam Warburton one is red be red now for sure
Owen Farrell's tackle on Esterhuizen is proof that karma exists. They paid for that, in full, last night in the semi final of the WC.
I've just opened the video, but if it doesn't end on Craig Joubert stealing the World Cup quarter final from Scotland vs Australia, I'll be furious
I would normally defend my fellow countryman, but....
Three strikes against Craig. It was against Australia. The call went against my second team, The Scots. He was wrong on every level possible and didn't use all options available to him.
I won't be buying him a beer any time soon.
Tough calls, all of them, some good calls and some bad ones. But you have to admire the players’ respect for the ref. Can you imagine that in football???
Considering it happens in football all the time, no imagination required.
how is warburton tackle not a red?
9.02 Kieran Read was 2m offside at the kick off. Nobody ever seems to have noticed that.
Nobody does much to the line adjudication of offside at a kickoff in any game.
3 suggestions
1 the 'wishbone' tackle on Brian O'Driscoll by Mealamu and Umana
2 Ireland's first try in Grand Slam match 2018 - a later replay not shown at time of score shows Kearney knocked on
3 The final pass in 1973's try of the century was at least as forward as Michalak's against All Blacks
Umaga
Good suggestions, I’ve never noticed the 3rd one before
its not really contentious if its in a BaaBaas game
Other than the Cueto one (not contentious at all, since his foot was clearly out of play before he grounded the ball), and the penalty against Scotland v Australia in the 2015 RWC quarter final should be higher on the list (guess which nation I'm from 😁), it's a good list. Surprised you didn't put in the recent ABs v Australia ending in - that's a good starting point for part 2
There was nothing controversial about that decision, just an unsighted referee who blew on what he saw / thought he saw. It was no worse than any other decision that went one way instead of the other.
It was not cool of Joubert to run off the field at the end but that decision or type of decision is one we see week after week.
@@Karma-qt4ji It was controversial enough that world rugby issued a statement to say Joubert got it wrong, the day after the game. They don't often chime in like that.
It also materially affected the outcome of the game, it being the last play of said game, and had the correct decision been made (scrum Australia), the odds would have been heavily in favour of Scotland holding out to win.
So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree?
@@MrSpleenboy World Rugby only ever come out with a statement when one of the Home Nations spits their dummy out, as Scotland did here. It was the *only* one of these incidents where they bothered to make a statement and even then, their statement was not just about an error by the referee, but confirmation that they had ' looked at every angle... something Joubert was not permitted to do under the TMO protocols' - that's paraphrased but you can get the official statement online and that is pretty much what it says. They were appeasing the Scottish mob while defending Joubert, simple as.
While yes, I concede that the decision probably did decide the game, it was nothing more than a decision made by an unsighted referee, the same decision almost every referee in his position would have made. The TMO protocols were changed immediately after the tournament and they saved Poite from making a similar unsighted decision that would have cost the BI Lions the series if he had stuck to what he thought he had seen. Has it never occurred to you that both Joubert and Poite were unsighted, thought they saw a clear knock forward that was caught in front by a team mate and automatically called for a penalty?
@@Karma-qt4ji I asked if you'd agree to disagree - I guess you didn't agree to that? 😉
The decision was controversial enough that the WRC commented on it, and changed the TMO protocols straight after the tournament was done.
Both of the above actions were, at the time, unprecedented.
Ergo, the decision was, as it says in the title of the video, contentious
Whether or not the referee was unsighted is irrelevant to the argument here.
I maintain that Joubert knew exactly what he'd done, hence his Brave Sir Robin reaction as soon as he blew the whistle...
@@MrSpleenboy The decision was made substantially more controversial by the massive outcry from the Scottish fans, pundits and media, accusing Joubert of making a conscious effort to rob them of the game, an attitude that you yourself have just mirrored.
He ran off the field at the end because he was ashamed of his poor decision - by the time the kick was taken, they had shown the replay so many times on the big screen that everyone in the stadium knew what had really happened.
Controversial? Yeah sure. Higher on the list than most of the other things here? Not even close. As a neutral in that game, there was nothing more in it that than a bad decision by an unsighted referee, and if a bad decision by an unsighted referee is controversial, then every single game results in controversy. The only thing controversial about this one, and the Wayne Barnes' missing that marginally forward pass in '07, is the extent to which the fans reacted, with both referees being accused of match fixing. Literally!
I was at the 2017 lions game, Not only did Romain get it completely wrong and cost NZ the win, he never played advantage and NZ could have scored a try. Destroyed an amazing series.
You could make a huge video of just the controversial Wales decisions. Jammiest team in rugby…
No we have the Lord on our side and we luvs it when we wins we do. Thing is though we don’t win so much anymore , onwards and upwards lovely boy!
The 2019 welsh team easily goes down as the worst team to win a six nations grand slam. The referee might as well have scored the tries for them it was so slanted.
@@stevenmcalister826 The fuck are you on about? The 2019 Welsh team was one for the greatest sides in rugby history period, they also became the first Welsh side to get to the world number 1 spot. I believe you mean the 2021 six nations where they were shit and won
Lions fan here. That decision in the 3rd test of the NZ tour was awful, 100% a penalty to the ABs anywhere else on the field at any other time in the match.
Neutral here. I agree with Jonathon Kaplan's view that Read should have penalised for taking Williams out in the air - Williams had taken the space and was going for the ball and Read had no realistic chance of getting there; nett result was a shoulder to the back of Williams who landed very awkwardly. By today's standards that would have been a lot worse than just a penalty.
NZ had even, very sportingly, agreed to take a quick tap - bit of a kick in the teeth if you're a NZ fan or player...
It should have been a penalty to the lions for Ried taking out williams in the air with no realistic chance of catching the ball. Lions hard done by there. I would suggest NZ knew this which is why they went for the quick tap
@@Karma-qt4ji Read has every right to compete for the ball and had momentum running and *facing the ball,* whilst Williams is back peddling with his *back to the ball*
Maybe if Williams was *stationary facing the ball* and Read collided with him then *YES* Penalty Lions! but both Williams and Read were on the move for the ball, meaning not one player had stationary rights ala *"better position"* so 50/50 call really and play on!
As for the *offside* was clear as mud and the Lions Prop gave himself up when he dropped the ball and *surrendered* 👐 his hands in the air, *Penalty* all day.
@@MeanAzz_13 A world class highly experienced referee reviewed the matter and says that you are wrong, mate. Williams was back pedalling towards the ball but still got the space in the air first, caught the ball (which was dislodged when Read hit him in the back) and even had a lifter beneath him who was also taken out by Williams. Of course you are allowed to go for a ball, but if you have no realistic chance of getting to it and are simply playing the player in the air then you get penalised.
Could we do without the music? Or is that not possible?
Not sure why the England 2007 WC none try is top of the list. Clear and obvious foot in touch well before grounding. Is it top of the list because it caused the most outrage?
So is the Scotland v Australia clip - a bad decision made by a referee based on what little he saw and something that every referee does. Would have been a minor thing had Scottish pundits not called for the referees head. We have had far worse decisions, even in World Cups and WR changed the TMO protocols *after* this game to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
People may differ over whether Cueto's foot was in touch. But surely the game should have restarted not simply with a penalty, but with a yellow card.. After all, if illegally preventing a try just short of the line in the World Cup Final shouldn't get yellow, then what should?
@@paulsmith3966 Burger came in from the side at the tackle situation but he did not prevent a try from being scored by doing so, in fact he had no impact at all. If anyone slowed the ball down, it was Pietersen, on his feet over the ruck in an onside position legally attempting to play the ball.
Do you not think that if a try was prevented close to the line by the actions of a defender, that they actually would have not have looked for a penalty try instead of just penalising the player? Do you not think England would have asked the question?
Thank you, Karma, for the detailed response--although I have to say my recollection doesn't tally with yours, (but I admit I've not looked at reruns of the incident since it happened).
@@paulsmith3966 I had to go and look at the entire detail again. Suggest you do the same.
Sadly the entire 2011 world cup final is not there.
add the 1995 SA vs France semi and 2023 SA QF, Semi and Finals too
England vs Wales at Principality should’ve been here.
Best thing about videos like this is those who think their opinion is substantiated and correct yet they are just Hypocritical because vast majority won't actually pick up a whistle to Referee a game & show the would they can back up their words with actions
“The hand of Neil Back” doesn’t have the same ring to it as “The hand of God”.
I never understood how the Warburton red card was controversial. It was a tip tackle and he didn't guide him back to the ground. Clear cut red card
Ye maybe old rules or sth, but I'm sure nowadays would be red too
@@montagneresmontagneres8346 Old rules it’s still a stonewall red card
Exactly. Though I doubt it was deliberate, he’s still taken him well past the horizontal and did nothing to bring him down safely.
@@Heathen.Deity. I 100% agree it wasn’t deliberate and with everything you said
The issue here is consistency, during that world cup there had been two other similar tackles both 'worse' than Sam Warburton's in my opinion. These resulted, in one case, of the award of a penalty & in the other a penalty & a yellow card. Thus the sending off of the Wales captain was way out of proportion to that which had gone before, especially in a game of that importance. What players & fans alike want most of all is consistency in decision making, not the arbitrary knee jerk reactions that we have endured, & still endure today. I don't know if your vision is faulty but it seems to me that Warburton laid him flat on his back after the tackle & certainly not on his neck or head. The IRB are a blight on the game with their constant ill thought meddling with the games laws, presumably in an effort to justify their existence. This great game of ours flourishes despite the IRB & not because of them. Sorry to be so long winded but you know the Welsh, we're great talkers & I got carried away.
When France play in France in the 6 nations or any autumn international the TV editors will never to show a replay of the French doing wrong, be it a high tackle, forward pass or eye gouging if the ref doesn’t see it. If the visiting team do anything they immediately show it on the big screen, I noticed this during the lockdown matches and it stayed that why since.
And the irish director did the exact same thing last weekend, not showing Lowe's foot in touch on the second try and not showing the late tackle on Dumortier at the beginning of the 2nd half ! Stop complaining and pointing out french rugby all the time. How many controversial decisions for France in this video, apart from the quarter final 2007 with NZ - Wayne Barnes still being one of the worst ref to this day and nothing will get him kicked out ! - How many for Ireland and England ?
@@Cheuhba it was shown on the big screen for lowe try cause you can hear Barnes saying no try after him giving onfield try but the tmo said try
@@charles5553 And yet he didn't show this angle on the big screen : th-cam.com/users/shortsrEcg3eQx3vI
Doesn't change that much to the game. Nice try in itself. Ireland stronger that day. Barnes still borderline incompetent. Just illustrating : stop pointing out one team or one country for those sort of things.
@@Cheuhba Same from Scotland when they don't show one of them hit, in the face, a French on the ground.
Mark Cueto definitely was out, no doubt.
Great video, it gets more and more infuriating to watch
Well, that's kind of reassuring, in that there's never been a time in the last 20 years when rugby refereeing hasn't been an absolute f*cking joke. At least they're consistent.
Paul Honiss SA vs Ireland
Bryce Lawrence QF 2011 SA vs AUS
Poite SA vs NZ
That france forward pass was the best thing that happened for the all blacks they learnt a good lesson that day. And they went back to back wcs the following years.
I am so not the rugby rules expert, but I have seen many a fwd pass by NZ against R.S.A. in World Cup finals that looked as clear as day. No! It would appear. And then, REPLAYS from other angles are as rare as hens teeth. Strange advantage decisions long after the advantage seemed irrelevant as normal play had begun a flow. No! the minute possession switched; called back to play the advantage. No, i have seen now mos def, too many incorrect and suspicious decisions occurring with UEFA Champions league soccer, Premiership VAR decisions, Formula 1 motor racing, World cup Rugby and admittedly I have not really seen Cricket's rigging scenarios but too many players implicated in fixing and found guilty. One has to imagine WHO has the persuasive power on the day to influence a result. I imagine owners making bets with their extremely wealthy friends and negotiating a little of this and that. Talking to one another from their mega yachts with a bit of a chuckle. Next time, you win okay? Alright buddy(wink wink). We are so naive and gullible. Money is king. For sure.
Some shockers here
Funny how so many of these happened at the Principality/Millenium stadium.
"Contentious" seems to be generously used in this video ^^
How so?
@@clippedrugby14 several contentious calls, but also many pretty uncontentious ones as well. The England foot on the line, for example, is far from disputable and I'm an England supporter 😅
@@sarutochigcp937 the England one I can understand but what were the other ones?
Josh Adams try vs England 2021
What is wrong with the first clip between Ireland and South Africa?
If you look closely there's a forward pass by an Ireland prop to Gibson Park. It's a short pop pass but forward, very hard to see
Cueto was out lol
Don't know how the cueto one is controversial, he's in touch pure and simple
This just shows the very poor level of refereeing there is at the most senior level. And it is a world up year. These referees are all just bad.
Why is Schalk Burger raking the eyes contentious? Is it cause he only gets a yellow?
where craig joubert
0:24 what’s the controversy here?
It’s been argued that the ball was kicked out the ruck by an Ireland player and that the pass to Bealham was forward - the ref didn’t necessarily make it a mistake but it was controversial
@@clippedrugby14 it was a mistake though.
@@THEMRblackboy7thst what was a mistake?
@@THEMRblackboy7thst even if it was a mistake it's still illegal and sa got called for the exact same thing in the same game as well. mainly controversial because of the inconsistency
@@clippedrugby14 the ref not award a penalty to SA
These refs are getting worse. If this continue I think they will be able predict the exact score a week before every game.
Wait. What are the first two clips about? What's controversial?
Clear toe in touch whilst the ball is still in the air.
The Wales try against Ireland was only allowed because the touch judge (English) lied. How do you deal with that?
Indeed. The ref clearly asked for clarification as to whether it was the original ball or not. That said, I can understand why the touch judge thought it was, as the ball boy comes from the same direction the ball went out. Saying he lied is a bit strong, but given the importance of the call, they should have taken a moment to verify however.
@@Heathen.Deity. the touch judge told the referee that it was the same ball. This implied that he saw it all the way. Therefore it becomes a lie because he obviously did not. The referee is now not in a position to review further
That last one was no try though??
typical response seeing that you lost to us in the world cup
South africa should of beating England after farrell shoulder charge which the reason but then again south africa won the world cup against England 32 12
Northern hemisphere rugby’s just become dirtier and dirtier every year
Guessing you skipped the schalk burger bit so, seeing as that was by far the most despicable thing in this video
Not that fucking forward pass again?
england and springbok 2007 final wasnt controversial......tip of his boots touched the line clearly......poms still sour to this day
The Wales-Italy one was dumb, the Welsh asked if there was time, the ref said they had 10 seconds, they then took 10 seconds to decide whether to go for it, before kicking it into touch only after 10 seconds had elapsed. I get that they asked the ref if there was time to do that but at the time they asked, there was, and by the time they kicked it, there wasn't. That 10 seconds decision-making time felt like an eternity watching the game, screaming at them to make their minds up before they ran out of time.
And I think that particular game is a large part of why the kick to touch and lineout is considered one act and you can use a penalty in that manner after the clock goes red nowadays.
The ref said 10 seconds then they kicked it out less than 5 seconds later.
If that space between the ref taking and wales taking the kick, that’s the fastest 10 seconds I’ve ever seen
Nothing wrong with that Ireland try vs SA but how was that Stormers kick given ?
At 0:18 you can see an Irish boot kick the ball out the ruck which is what leads to the try
first you had the ruck incident and the pass from number 1 to the other prop was clearly forward. The stormers kick, you you reduce the speed of the footage you can see the ball going behind the right post
As the others above mentioned, in that same game as well, the Boks were penalised for doing the exact same thing that Ireland did.
What the others said - ball kicked out of the ruck by an Irish foot and a probably forward pass
As for the Stormers kick - I would say error of parallax perhaps, but the neutral assistant referee sitting underneath the post had the best view and he said it was good.
@@THEMRblackboy7thst The pass between the props was very clearly flat, though your name tells us you won't listen to reason...
What as series of messing up a game.
The fact that France had a try allowed from a forward pass I have no problem with, as I have seen loads of similar tries awarded in favour of the All Blacks throughout the years.
Not allowing the England try against South Africa with all the aid of that photographic freeze frame evidence was criminal.
How is the Wales v Aus one contentious?
The ball didn't go forward so it's open play.
What is the whole deal with Cueto's try? I see he is still bitching about it. Even the English commentary said he was in touch.
Lmao what's so controversial about the eng vs rsa final in 2007? His foot was clearly into touch long before he placed the ball. Butthurt much?
Well are we saying that referees are cheating? If not, lets accept that the (lowest paid) person on the field is doing his best, in a fast complex and often violent game, and accept that he is human and return to the spirit of the game. We're already learning too much from the game from Professional football.
I don't get the last one? His foot was on the line before he grounded the ball? That's the correct call.
This video was clearly made by an Englishman. That disallowed try in the 2007 final is clearly out. The English player's foot TOUCHED THE CHALK BEFORE PLACING THE BALL. Cry all you want, but that is controversial for you Poms alone. Get over it. Just move on.
Ah yes, an Englishman with a Johnny Sexton profile picture that makes sense - come on mate use your brain next time
This just shows how the players have limited control over their own destiny. It’s a sport dominated by the referee. Rightly or wrongly, I dunno.
WR HAS DESTRIYED THE GAME WITH USELESS PROTECTED REFS. MIRE AND MORE RULES TO TAKE THE JOY OUT OF THE GAME. ITS IUR GAME NOT THEIRS. WR SHOULD BE DISBANDED AND A NEW BODY STARTED WHO LIVES THE GAME.
The Jokeness of rugby! How does the Americans control their games? Think a bundle of refs? I would prefer slower if fair/consistant is the outcome.
I'm betting before this vid started, there was a little army of saffas thinking......... "Yahsus boet, now these okes will know the depth of our suffering that we alone have had to bear from anti-bok referees" ......only to discover their imagined pain & victimhood is just that, imagined.
French refs
Whenever the springboks win it’s always well deserved as they always play against 16 men.
They always love to play the victim dont they
@@JD-qn5dv do you watch the games?
@@Homophobicpride you’re just delusional mate
@@Owennwastaken have you watched the rassie erasmus video? And that’s just one game!!
@@Homophobicpride decisions go against every team mate, that’s just the game
Too be fair, the english try in the rwc final 2007 was ok. Shame the ref didnt see it
Foot touched the line.... Sorry
His foot touched the line before he grounded the ball : he's outside the pitch, no try. Simple as that.
@@DeMerdeEncule yeah sorry. You guys are right. I've re watched the clip
the scotland v australia one still makes me furious to this day 🥲