Hello, i install a puresound snare wires to my black beauty, but once i start to play, i need to keep tightening the wires, and then play again and the wires get loose again, any advice?
@@BrendrumJones Thanks a lot for your answer, I will take a look and test with the original strainer, because I bought the snare and replace the snare wires immediately, I will make the test and let you know, thanks.
There are specifically three types of snare "buzz" based from my own research, and experience that is not really mentioned or said by drummers, as some drummers would need to know this especially you, Brendrum, of course. so generally saying "snare buzz" would mean two different things but sometimes it gets often mixed up or misunderstood, so here are the three snare buzz types that I've found and way to reduce/minimalize it. (1.) Edge Snare Buzz - it refers to a sustainy, washy, and messy sound of the snare wire sustain/response/sound when hitting the edge of your snare drum due to two factors, (((1))) biggest factor would be the lower tuning of the batter head, as there is more vibration of the head in contrast to a higher tuned batter head producing lesser vibration, the pitch going around the snare side with the material of the drum to produce the sustain of the drum, it generally gets longer, especially in the edges in a lower tuned batter. But lesser in a higher tuned batter. Triggering more of the unwanted edge snare buzz, muffling will do the most result in reducing it if you don't want those. (((2))) Snare side tuning, sometimes a table-top tight snare side or very tight to tight snare side tuning may contribute to a sustainy, washy, and messy edge snare buzz, with even a more severe case of zinging of the wires because the higher/tighter pitched snare side will be vibrating in a very high, and very small frequency that unwillingly and unexpectedly triggers that weird zing of the wires, weirdly interacting with the bottom head. Just either have a slightly lower snare side, detune all of the snare side lugs by 1 half turn or quarter turn, or 1 full turn, try. Or, try pitch matching the snare side of all it's lugs, reducing the inconsistancy and tendency to produce the edge snare buzz, but not removed, as that's impossible. (2.) Snare Wire Buzz - this is specifically referring to the snare wires itself producing the buzz when you try and carefully hear it do the work, it generally means, a uneven or not-so deep snare bed can sometimes cause this because the wires sits uneven or less close to the head which it needs to do. Either you have a old wire, as it tends to get stretched out over time of over use, and span. Or sometimes the placement of the wires is not centered, causing inconsistent snare response, resulting of that snare wire buzz. so center it properly. (3.) Sympathetic Snare Buzz - referring to the snare wire buzz sustain when you hit the tom, caused by a similarity tuned tom and snare drum, to fixing it, you need to either tune the tom lower and higher, and it's not advisable to detune the 4 lugs closest to the snare wires, as it ruins your standard snare wire sound, so that wouldn't be usable. Try muffling the toms, closer or farther will increase ot decrease the muffling effect of the sustain of the toms, also reducing the snare wire triggering buzz. Hope this helps!
the puresound blaster works for a snare with snare beds and reduces buzz? I recently tried the puresound custom but apparently the buzz got worse, and also not making good contact with the reso head
I have the same issue. If you look at where the cotter pin goes through the little opening in the strap, the hem-stitching for that little opening is just thick enough to lift the plate just high enough for them to lose contact with the reso head when placed under tension. I’m about to replace the strap altogether with some grosgrain ribbon and see if it helps. I currently have the puresound strap doubled over like a regular strap. It helped a bunch but at that point I could have saved $10 and just bought the wires without the strap. Which do sound great when they make enough contact.
I already gave up on my puresound custom, I couldn't find a solution to the excessive rattle and buzz, so I took it out of my snare and put the original snare wire tama and that problem disappeared, then I put a generic gibraltar snare wire and the rattle and buzz was reduced even more. And I think that's why, the puresound clip is too thick and long and doesn't make good contact with the reso head, at least that's what happens with the puresound custom, I don't know if the same will happen with other models
Using a set of wires designed for 13" snare, on a 14" snare, helps to reduce snare buzz since the wires are shorter and leave more free space on the edges.
@@BrendrumJones no probs! I´ve seen that on Sounds like a Drum channel and I had a try. It worked wonders! The advantage is you never choke the drum, even if you set the wires really tight. So it gives you more control without losing the quality of your sound.
Im abit confused by what you mean when you say ''You'll need to knock off the clutch if theres a quiet part". I assume it's something to do with buzz, but I don't get the context of how it would be different with other snare wires?
I've got these fast release straps just yesterday with the Evans tune up kit I bought, i had no idea what they where supposed to be so i searched on internet for reviews, like you said they are pretty disappointing. So i fought that instead of using them id use some butcher's twine as a snare cord, since i don't want to buy new drum straps as im a bit tight on money rn. Do you think i should still settle with the speed release ones until i buy proper straps or should i keep the butcher twine?
Forget the Puresound wires. They don’t sit close enough to the head to get a sensitive response with a looser tension in the wires. I prefer Tama wires. The Snappy High Carbon wires and the Starclassic High Carbons are great. The straps Tama provides are perfect as they are flexible and easy to set up.
Have a look at this video th-cam.com/video/WQYnl-TOm_M/w-d-xo.html its not the bigger one but youll see the difference between big and small. youre snare id would go with the bigger 30 coil the link is in this video not the one linked here. its a 6.5 so i always think bigger is better.
literally just got these today, in all my years of drumming I've never (properly) changed snare wires and I have somehow lost the snare sound on my snare. I have not a clue what I am doing wrong here.
@@BrendrumJones I had my throw off as tight as it could go so the tension was off. I however have a new problem, in that no matter how I install them I still get a ratting" snare wire sound... unless I completely choke it out. Not sure if I am using the straps correctly, might just use my old straps with the puresound wires.
@@justinwillms17No. You are right. Im totally onfused by these wires. Got a 14 inch Snare and 14 inch wires and they are beyond the bearing Edge in loose Position.
@@user-vf1rj9dd4k been a year years since this post and I’ve learned some stuff haha first that the snare I had at the time had a bad throw off (old). And it depends on your bearing edges, they can over lap but they still need to be an equal distance on both sides.
Honestly, I could never understand the struggle with the tide.. It's just part of nature of it all, because well, if you want a sensitive and lively snare drum that reacts not only to blows from behind the back but also is capable of picking up ghost notes and all things quiet - you need those wires to be reactive! It just works like this - a membrane vibrates and activates the wires! either it's your sticks or an air wave (aka sound) from anything making a sound. If the air wave can't make wires activate, so can't your gentle touch of a stick..
@@BrendrumJones but they also say literally this: Designed for snare drums, the PureSound Custom Pro series snare wire features strands of medium-gauge wire, allowing for the snare wire to be dominant in the overall sound. So, this kinda looks to me like we have conflicting paragraphs )
You can never get completely rid of snare buzz. It's an acoustic instrument - it catches vibrations and moves. It sure is uncalled for in many situations, but I see far too many people choke the shit out of their snare drums to minimalise the buzz, which in turn makes their drums sound like shit. Just learn to live with it and disengage the strainer on a quiet part during live setting. Your snare in that short clip seems out of tune too, or at least both heads are tuned in a relation to each other where it boosts buzzing.
Agreed, but when you have other wires that buzz less then a wire that claims to be a buzzless wire, then in a review on said wire that needs to be a big talking point. Doesn't do what it says on the tin Pawel, have you used them?
@@BrendrumJones I’ve had the same problem. I replaced the wires on a Tama Starclassic snare with Puresounds and the plates didn’t sit close enough to the head unless the tension was cranked. I thought the snare beds might have been bad. Put the stock Tama wires back and the problem went away. I stick to Tama wires now. Snappy High Carbons are my favorite along with the Starclassic High Carbon wires. Canopus are suppose to be really good although they’re quite expensive.
@@Assimilator702 which puresound snare wire did you put? I recently bought a puresound custom for my tama snare (with snare beds) and the same thing happened to me that you said, and I put the snare wire tama back in and it worked better .. And now I'm thinking of buying the puresound blaster, but no I know if the same will happen to me
@@maxxpayne7964 Save yourself some headaches and buy a few sets of Tama MS20RL14C wires. If you have a really bright sounding snare try the Starclassic Bell Brass wires. It happened with the Customs first then the Blasters would do the same thing on MOST OF my Tama snares. The only Tama snare I've never had an issue with Puresounds is my 1988 Artwood Birch. I know modern Tama snare beds are shallow and wide. Tama snare wires have a thinner end plate so I'm fairly certain that where the issue lies. My metal shelled Tama drums aren't as bad with the Puresounds but I still prefer Tama wires.
@@Assimilator702 I have a tama rockstar custom snare, initially it didn't have any snare beds, and with the puresound custom it gave excessive buzz and rattled, except when I over-squeezed the snare wire. So I made snare beds myself, and I made them not too deep and not too narrow, but it kept the same buzz and rattle with the puresound custom, plus it wasn't 100% attached to the reso head . So I put the original tama snare wire on it and it stuck to the reso head much better. And I think that's why, because the part where the wires are attached are thinner, and it is shaped like an angle downwards (and in the custom puresound that part is thick and straight). And so, with the puresound blaster, would it be the same as with the puresound custom?
Well yeah of course Jack, but when company say a product is going to do something and it does the exact opposite dont you think that's an important point to bring up in the review? Why else would you buy a buzzless wire?
Hello, i install a puresound snare wires to my black beauty, but once i start to play, i need to keep tightening the wires, and then play again and the wires get loose again, any advice?
hey, and you never had that problem with the old wire before? i only ask because that seems to me like a strainer/ throwoff problem
@@BrendrumJones Thanks a lot for your answer, I will take a look and test with the original strainer, because I bought the snare and replace the snare wires immediately, I will make the test and let you know, thanks.
Some people complain the puresound straps always get loose, you might be better off using a regular snare strap.
There are specifically three types of snare "buzz" based from my own research, and experience that is not really mentioned or said by drummers, as some drummers would need to know this especially you, Brendrum, of course.
so generally saying "snare buzz" would mean two different things but sometimes it gets often mixed up or misunderstood, so here are the three snare buzz types that I've found and way to reduce/minimalize it.
(1.) Edge Snare Buzz - it refers to a sustainy, washy, and messy sound of the snare wire sustain/response/sound when hitting the edge of your snare drum due to two factors,
(((1))) biggest factor would be the lower tuning of the batter head, as there is more vibration of the head in contrast to a higher tuned batter head producing lesser vibration, the pitch going around the snare side with the material of the drum to produce the sustain of the drum, it generally gets longer, especially in the edges in a lower tuned batter.
But lesser in a higher tuned batter. Triggering more of the unwanted edge snare buzz, muffling will do the most result in reducing it if you don't want those.
(((2))) Snare side tuning, sometimes a table-top tight snare side or very tight to tight snare side tuning may contribute to a sustainy, washy, and messy edge snare buzz, with even a more severe case of zinging of the wires because the higher/tighter pitched snare side will be vibrating in a very high, and very small frequency that unwillingly and unexpectedly triggers that weird zing of the wires, weirdly interacting with the bottom head.
Just either have a slightly lower snare side, detune all of the snare side lugs by 1 half turn or quarter turn, or 1 full turn, try.
Or, try pitch matching the snare side of all it's lugs, reducing the inconsistancy and tendency to produce the edge snare buzz, but not removed, as that's impossible.
(2.) Snare Wire Buzz - this is specifically referring to the snare wires itself producing the buzz when you try and carefully hear it do the work, it generally means, a uneven or not-so deep snare bed can sometimes cause this because the wires sits uneven or less close to the head which it needs to do.
Either you have a old wire, as it tends to get stretched out over time of over use, and span. Or sometimes the placement of the wires is not centered, causing inconsistent snare response, resulting of that snare wire buzz. so center it properly.
(3.) Sympathetic Snare Buzz - referring to the snare wire buzz sustain when you hit the tom, caused by a similarity tuned tom and snare drum, to fixing it, you need to either tune the tom lower and higher, and it's not advisable to detune the 4 lugs closest to the snare wires, as it ruins your standard snare wire sound, so that wouldn't be usable.
Try muffling the toms, closer or farther will increase ot decrease the muffling effect of the sustain of the toms, also reducing the snare wire triggering buzz.
Hope this helps!
the puresound blaster works for a snare with snare beds and reduces buzz? I recently tried the puresound custom but apparently the buzz got worse, and also not making good contact with the reso head
Yeah, well as you seen in the video i was getting lots of buzz, more so then the wire i had on it before
I have the same issue. If you look at where the cotter pin goes through the little opening in the strap, the hem-stitching for that little opening is just thick enough to lift the plate just high enough for them to lose contact with the reso head when placed under tension. I’m about to replace the strap altogether with some grosgrain ribbon and see if it helps. I currently have the puresound strap doubled over like a regular strap. It helped a bunch but at that point I could have saved $10 and just bought the wires without the strap. Which do sound great when they make enough contact.
I already gave up on my puresound custom, I couldn't find a solution to the excessive rattle and buzz, so I took it out of my snare and put the original snare wire tama and that problem disappeared, then I put a generic gibraltar snare wire and the rattle and buzz was reduced even more. And I think that's why, the puresound clip is too thick and long and doesn't make good contact with the reso head, at least that's what happens with the puresound custom, I don't know if the same will happen with other models
Using a set of wires designed for 13" snare, on a 14" snare, helps to reduce snare buzz since the wires are shorter and leave more free space on the edges.
Cool that's for telling me
@@BrendrumJones no probs! I´ve seen that on Sounds like a Drum channel and I had a try. It worked wonders! The advantage is you never choke the drum, even if you set the wires really tight. So it gives you more control without losing the quality of your sound.
Im abit confused by what you mean when you say ''You'll need to knock off the clutch if theres a quiet part". I assume it's something to do with buzz, but I don't get the context of how it would be different with other snare wires?
Because its advertised as a buzzes wire, and it creates more buzz than a normal standard wire
@@BrendrumJones Ahhhhh I see I see! Thanks bro!
@@jamescassidy4045 👍🏻
I've got these fast release straps just yesterday with the Evans tune up kit I bought, i had no idea what they where supposed to be so i searched on internet for reviews, like you said they are pretty disappointing. So i fought that instead of using them id use some butcher's twine as a snare cord, since i don't want to buy new drum straps as im a bit tight on money rn. Do you think i should still settle with the speed release ones until i buy proper straps or should i keep the butcher twine?
Yeah, I think what ever works , if the butcher twine lasts it should be just as good. The straps , function works fine so it’s all the same I think
How many 20 puresound? Blaster, brass and custom pro which Is identical to the Blaster but with a different mounting system right? Thanks
Hey Rob, what do you mean by " how many 20 puresound" I believe this is the only one with that mounting system.
@@BrendrumJones Yes, no matter the mounting system how many 20 strands wires puresound produce...this one, blaster and...?
what do you recommended for me? twisted series or blaster series? for pearl sensitone maple. 24 strand.
I haven't used either Digus so I'm unsure , but I've heard good things from both so you can't go wrong either way
Forget the Puresound wires. They don’t sit close enough to the head to get a sensitive response with a looser tension in the wires. I prefer Tama wires. The Snappy High Carbon wires and the Starclassic High Carbons are great. The straps Tama provides are perfect as they are flexible and easy to set up.
Thanks for the review. 👍🏼 I just ordered them.
Cool, let me know what you think of it.
I have a new Yamaha steel snare 14 x 6,5 and I want to change the wire with a puresound. The question Is which one? Bigger or smaller than the 20?
Have a look at this video th-cam.com/video/WQYnl-TOm_M/w-d-xo.html its not the bigger one but youll see the difference between big and small. youre snare id would go with the bigger 30 coil the link is in this video not the one linked here. its a 6.5 so i always think bigger is better.
What lugs are those
I think its called a burnt as a finish
literally just got these today, in all my years of drumming I've never (properly) changed snare wires and I have somehow lost the snare sound on my snare. I have not a clue what I am doing wrong here.
It could be too tight, people generally over tighten the wires
@@BrendrumJones I had my throw off as tight as it could go so the tension was off. I however have a new problem, in that no matter how I install them I still get a ratting" snare wire sound... unless I completely choke it out. Not sure if I am using the straps correctly, might just use my old straps with the puresound wires.
@@justinwillms17No. You are right. Im totally onfused by these wires. Got a 14 inch Snare and 14 inch wires and they are beyond the bearing Edge in loose Position.
@@user-vf1rj9dd4k been a year years since this post and I’ve learned some stuff haha first that the snare I had at the time had a bad throw off (old).
And it depends on your bearing edges, they can over lap but they still need to be an equal distance on both sides.
Strongly recommend die cast hoops instead of those Drumcraft hoops. Instantly made my old snare sound and respond better. More tone.
Cool thanks for that
Honestly, I could never understand the struggle with the tide.. It's just part of nature of it all, because well, if you want a sensitive and lively snare drum that reacts not only to blows from behind the back but also is capable of picking up ghost notes and all things quiet - you need those wires to be reactive! It just works like this - a membrane vibrates and activates the wires! either it's your sticks or an air wave (aka sound) from anything making a sound. If the air wave can't make wires activate, so can't your gentle touch of a stick..
yeah i get what youre saying but at the same time the wire is sold as buzzless, and when it buzzes more then a regular wire its not fit for propose.
@@BrendrumJones but they also say literally this: Designed for snare drums, the PureSound Custom Pro series snare wire features strands of medium-gauge wire, allowing for the snare wire to be dominant in the overall sound. So, this kinda looks to me like we have conflicting paragraphs )
@@dmitryshkolnik5233 while playing I agree, but if its intrusive to the sound ... I dont think so
put a couple of gels on the resonant head of the snare
defo that would work, but you shouldn't have to if it supposed to be buzzless
I have a pair that I literally just bought and i already have a wire that’s not sounding right and I’m pretty sure they’re already bent… not good
No, thats not good, im not the biggest fan of these ether
You can never get completely rid of snare buzz. It's an acoustic instrument - it catches vibrations and moves. It sure is uncalled for in many situations, but I see far too many people choke the shit out of their snare drums to minimalise the buzz, which in turn makes their drums sound like shit. Just learn to live with it and disengage the strainer on a quiet part during live setting. Your snare in that short clip seems out of tune too, or at least both heads are tuned in a relation to each other where it boosts buzzing.
Agreed, but when you have other wires that buzz less then a wire that claims to be a buzzless wire, then in a review on said wire that needs to be a big talking point. Doesn't do what it says on the tin Pawel, have you used them?
@@BrendrumJones I’ve had the same problem. I replaced the wires on a Tama Starclassic snare with Puresounds and the plates didn’t sit close enough to the head unless the tension was cranked. I thought the snare beds might have been bad. Put the stock Tama wires back and the problem went away. I stick to Tama wires now. Snappy High Carbons are my favorite along with the Starclassic High Carbon wires. Canopus are suppose to be really good although they’re quite expensive.
@@Assimilator702 which puresound snare wire did you put? I recently bought a puresound custom for my tama snare (with snare beds) and the same thing happened to me that you said, and I put the snare wire tama back in and it worked better .. And now I'm thinking of buying the puresound blaster, but no I know if the same will happen to me
@@maxxpayne7964 Save yourself some headaches and buy a few sets of Tama MS20RL14C wires. If you have a really bright sounding snare try the Starclassic Bell Brass wires. It happened with the Customs first then the Blasters would do the same thing on MOST OF my Tama snares. The only Tama snare I've never had an issue with Puresounds is my 1988 Artwood Birch. I know modern Tama snare beds are shallow and wide. Tama snare wires have a thinner end plate so I'm fairly certain that where the issue lies. My metal shelled Tama drums aren't as bad with the Puresounds but I still prefer Tama wires.
@@Assimilator702 I have a tama rockstar custom snare, initially it didn't have any snare beds, and with the puresound custom it gave excessive buzz and rattled, except when I over-squeezed the snare wire. So I made snare beds myself, and I made them not too deep and not too narrow, but it kept the same buzz and rattle with the puresound custom, plus it wasn't 100% attached to the reso head . So I put the original tama snare wire on it and it stuck to the reso head much better. And I think that's why, because the part where the wires are attached are thinner, and it is shaped like an angle downwards (and in the custom puresound that part is thick and straight). And so, with the puresound blaster, would it be the same as with the puresound custom?
i have a puresound and one wire is always rustling.13"x7" snare drum.
@@BrendrumJones why
@@Oojjffaaa why what?, my comment has disappeared
@@BrendrumJones i don't speak english well🙄
Why one wire have buzzzzzzz?
@@Oojjffaaa you might have put it on wrong maybe uneven , try putting it on again. And dont over tighten
Little bar looks suspiciously like a curtain hook
Lol, someone somewhere has made millions from that idea 😂
Holy hell dude it's called turning off your snare when you walk away from the set.
Well yeah of course Jack, but when company say a product is going to do something and it does the exact opposite dont you think that's an important point to bring up in the review? Why else would you buy a buzzless wire?
Use the snares but ditch the strap n pin method... Didn't work for me!
cool
THE PINS ARE A JOKE AND COME APART - IF YOU DONT HIT HARD YOUR FINE BUT IF YOU DO PULL THE PINS OUT AND USE STRING OR USE SATIN
WHAT TYPE OF SNARE ARE YOU USING????????????🫠🫠🫠it’s niceee
Hey its a drumcraft series 8 maple snare. dont think they make them anymore. im not sure what the lugs are