Kushal has this unique ability to stay rooted to the basic topic at hand inspite of long quality discussion on every point and he skillfully and precisely keeps taking the basic discourse forward step by step to its conclusion. He definately has a great deep knowledge of the topic he takes. Excellent.
Thank you Kushal and Abhinav. Deep analysis of the concepts of patriotism and nationalism. It’s like attending an open university for me at my age. I was particularly pained to learn that lecturers in Delhi are not paid. Shree 420 is a horror. Thanks heaps once again 🙏🏻
Extremely good content... We need to support channels like these.. We need to let our ideas reach more and more people...... People will not read books, let's be very clear about it.. At least we should support people who are reading and making our work easy.
The most important thing is that there's a difference bw Indian nationalism, which emphasizes individuality and western nationalism which emphasizes imperialism.
How can we build an Indic ecosystem in the west? Many Indians abroad are all well off and influential like sundar Pichai and Nadella and can start something to counter the western anti India narrative ,being closer and accessible to such places.
Very informative and awakening. Seems like a dangerous but thrilling journey ahead. We have to be brave, smart, self-reflective, cohesive and ultimately optimistic, to name a few.
Patriotism is age old concept . Existed for 1000s of years. It's medieval. It exists at a level of village, your caste. Community, region etc. Nationalism is also age old concept. This defines National geography and protects, develops this region. It's Nationalism that integrates a Kerala to a Kashmiri etc.. But Only few Castes, groups knew what Nationalism meant , esp Brahmins, Saints, Rishis etc.
This podcast is a heavy fodder for mind. I'm positively astonished with the quality of discourse we have on this platform. Please release some academic paper/literature on the subject @abhinavprakash #CharvakaPodcast . I would love to read you and hopefully cite your opinions on the subject hopefully
Please write some papers and books. Try to enter and influence academia and eventually media. Get contacts of rich Indians both here and abroad who will support these causes monetarily. RW can have as many podcasts as we want, but we're fighting a losing battle in narrative building unless there's real work in hostile environments such as modern college campuses, news organizations, and school curriculum boards. When I start earning properly (I'm still doing my masters), I will start donating to proper RW writers and academics.
@@chinmaypurohit3431 no point making such snobbish attack... Sham Sharma also does similar discussion and he has good number of subscribers... It's about appeal of the style...
@@pulkit8628 I know why people go there for AIM doing some antiques and SS reviewing memes or owning the pseudo-libs and Indian wokes. Enjoyable as that might be the SS audience won’t enjoy what Kushal discusses. Also many of his guests don’t have “charisma” something that the other popular channels sell quite well
Ayaan Hirsi Ali explained the understanding, perplexed herself, of nationalism in Europe. "Nobody snickered exactly, but they looked at me strangely. It wasn’t that I was black and claiming Dutchness; that was fine. It was because being Dutch meant absolutely nothing to these people. If anything, my Dutch friends seemed uncomfortable with the symbols of Dutchness: the flag and the monarchy. These things seemed to them to hark back to the treacherous days of the Second World War. They saw nationalism as almost the same thing as racism. Nobody seemed proud of being Dutch." When you have an understanding that "nationalism = racism", obviously the idea will receive a monstrous push back - doesn't matter which country, which religion.
Till we are not prosper we can't do anything it is in the hand of hindus settled in western countries who are now quite rich. But these Hindus are the most woke I mean my sister's friend now refer herself as a brown or southeast Asian inestad of Indian.
Our nationalism, at least the image of it that seems to be guiding the masses does exclude one ethnicity, viz, Muslims. We need abhinav and the likes to give voice to a kind of nationalism which is assertive about its Hindu identity but also places checks against discrimination with Muslims, by voicing more articulately and in a detailed manner this idea. Remember, even a Buddhist nation wasn't immune to human tribalism-aided atrocities against Muslims(rohingya). So, "we are pluralistic" Hindus isn't enough as an argument.
Hindu nationalism is not exclusive. That is is perceived to be so has nothing to do with Hindus and everything to do with the exclusivist and exceptionalist mentality and prejudices and frankly bigotry of those doing the perceiving. Western European nations and the US, Canada, and Australia have a strong Judeo-Christian ethos that is largely indifferent to most other faiths and cultures, including the indigenous peoples in their own nations that they have largely erased. Yet you look up to them as models of liberal, inclusive societies where Muslims do live and thrive. For the most part they have no qualms assimilating into and adopting much of the ethos of those societies. So all this talk of feeling excluded is nothing but entitled nonsense and has everything to do with an Abrahamic disdain for Indic cultures and nothing to do with non-existent feelings of alienation or prejudice. Every Muslim of India is an equal citizen of this country and is entitled to the same rights, respect, and dignity as any Hindu. However, this has nothing to do with the fundamental civilizational ethos and essence of this country, which is emphatically and unequivocally Hindu. If anything, Indian secularism is a direct result of fundamentally Hindu ethos - there is a reason non-Muslim populations in Muslim nations are invariably sidelined if not outright exterminated. Frankly the overwhelming majority of Muslims have no qualms in accepting this, after all we are descended from the same people. This is a non-issue for 99% of all Indians. This is the fundamental salience of India - otherwise what are we but a second-rate combination of Arabia and the West? That a minority refuses to see this and chooses to interpret this as exclusivist or bigoted is their problem and not that of Hindus. Not unlike how some Islamists who live in the West continually and aggressively allege discrimination and oppression while partaking of every blessing that residence in such a society offers.
Consequence of Bhakti Movement was many poor people converting from Shaivism to Vaishnavism, as my ancestors did, who were endogamous groups up until mid 20th century.
Only people ageing between 15 to 25 years demographic fall into wokeness not other age group because of education system and social media. Once social responsible happens they will oppose this woke idea. Parents responsibility to guide their children from this ideology.
Indian freedom struggle is a Hindu movement. It's a shame that Muslims got to rule us again under Nehru govts education, cultural ministry for decades . How did we even allow this ??? Muslims yes they did participate, but their contribution was minor, though it can't be ignored. Major sacrifices were made by hindus . Gandhi had to support khilafat movement, for the sole purpose of bringing Muslims into this struggle who 🔖weren't as forthcoming, energetic as hindus. 🔖Muslim league isn't a Freedom movement. 🔖Muslims were cajoled by Sir Syed to support British rule and infact 🔖fight Hindus
I don't think it is accurate to say that all tribal revolts were mainly caused because of missionary activities in tribal areas. As far as I have read the main problem was because of the zamindari system, which made them labourers to non tribals in their own lands.
He is saying corporates should not hire social science students from institutes like tiss iits...but it should be some criteria to filter out the non wokism ones no :/
Obviously they were supposed to get woke eventually. Keep your national interests straighten-up and taken care of. Keep cultural transactions common by achieving singularity of religion, usually abrahamic. And then lecture about immigration, poverty, sociology, right of representation, finances, etc.
After the World War II meaning of nationalism has changed. Loyalty to a country is now called patriotism. Loyalty to particular group with no geographic loyalty but to a particular group of people, for example Jinnah's Muslim loyalty to a religion, is called nationalism. So usage of nationalism is used to describe loyalty to a particular group of people in a country in exclusion of others in the country. Aryan Nationalism in US is dedicated to supremacy of "Aryans" and exclusion of others from the political power. If Hindu Nationalism in India mirrors Islamic Nationalism then it is similar to German Nationalism of Hitler- I am actually saying that Islamic Nationalism of Pakistan is similar to German Nationalism of Hitler- and wants to exclude others from the political power in India. This kind of loyalty to section of people in country has acquired negative connotation since World War II. With respect to current usage of Patriotism vs Nationalism Kunal Mehra is right and Abhinava Prakash is wrong. Just like Indians wish westerners understand the word "Dharma" they should understand the usage of words in languages foreign to them.
Congress isn't a party before 1947 . Congress is India or represented all Indians. Hindus before 1947. So Congressis before 1947 and after 1947 are totally different.
MNC branches have feminism. Many promotions are on women's quota. Clubbed with this, Indian male's image as sexual predator is not helping. Definitely, not as bad as west.
Willy Brandt, ex-German chancellor once defined The difference between Nationalist & a Patriot. Both a Patriot & a Nationalist love their motherland. The difference is a Patriot loves his motherland without disregard of other motherland. Whereas, a Nationalist loves his motherland too but has disregard for other land. In that sense, nationalism has negative connotation.
WOKISM had its beginning in "Wide Awake" movement in 1850s against slavery in US. WOKISM is about fighting discrimination actively rather than passively through Satyagraha or just peaceful protest.
Pls shut up. Wokeism is not fighting against discrimination. It is fighting against perceived discrimination, does not matter if it is or not. It is a belief that if history is not for our ideology change it, if statistics are not in our favor ignore them or fudge them nothing more. Don't use vir das ideas here.
Totally support Prakash sir.
Kushal has this unique ability to stay rooted to the basic topic at hand inspite of long quality discussion on every point and he skillfully and precisely keeps taking the basic discourse forward step by step to its conclusion. He definately has a great deep knowledge of the topic he takes. Excellent.
13:11 "quran main toh hindu word hai nahi, toh hindu toh hota hi nahi"😂
Shahi baat hai 😂😂😂
Grateful to Kushal Mehra ji for bringing Abhinav Prakash ji in the show.
Jai Bharat..
The explanation on patriotism vs nationalism is revelational .... !! Awesome
Thank you Kushal and Abhinav. Deep analysis of the concepts of patriotism and nationalism. It’s like attending an open university for me at my age. I was particularly pained to learn that lecturers in Delhi are not paid. Shree 420 is a horror. Thanks heaps once again 🙏🏻
Much needed podcast
Thank you Kushal Ji
Thanks for this podcast. Answered a lot of questions I had in mind.
@bone collector that is Member Icon I guess
@bone collector that's the membership icon.
Thanks
Extremely good content...
We need to support channels like these..
We need to let our ideas reach more and more people...... People will not read books, let's be very clear about it..
At least we should support people who are reading and making our work easy.
The most important thing is that there's a difference bw Indian nationalism, which emphasizes individuality and western nationalism which emphasizes imperialism.
How can we build an Indic ecosystem in the west? Many Indians abroad are all well off and influential like sundar Pichai and Nadella and can start something to counter the western anti India narrative ,being closer and accessible to such places.
Very informative and awakening. Seems like a dangerous but thrilling journey ahead. We have to be brave, smart, self-reflective, cohesive and ultimately optimistic, to name a few.
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Patriotism is age old concept . Existed for 1000s of years. It's medieval. It exists at a level of village, your caste. Community, region etc.
Nationalism is also age old concept. This defines National geography and protects, develops this region. It's Nationalism that integrates a Kerala to a Kashmiri etc..
But Only few Castes, groups knew what Nationalism meant , esp Brahmins, Saints, Rishis etc.
I like both .
Kushal Mehra should also write newspaper editorials.
Very insightful discussion. Kudos to both
Thank You
Amazing talk, I find Abhinav as one of the speakers who has clear thoughts and stays objective in his speech. Thank you for sharing this video.
This podcast is a heavy fodder for mind. I'm positively astonished with the quality of discourse we have on this platform. Please release some academic paper/literature on the subject @abhinavprakash #CharvakaPodcast . I would love to read you and hopefully cite your opinions on the subject hopefully
Abhinav is best as always...... ❤❤❤❤
Brilliant discussion
Just Amazing ....¡
Please write some papers and books. Try to enter and influence academia and eventually media. Get contacts of rich Indians both here and abroad who will support these causes monetarily. RW can have as many podcasts as we want, but we're fighting a losing battle in narrative building unless there's real work in hostile environments such as modern college campuses, news organizations, and school curriculum boards. When I start earning properly (I'm still doing my masters), I will start donating to proper RW writers and academics.
Brilliant Discussion.
Why does The Carvaka Podcast have so few subscribers
Because the BjP sycophants don’t like policy discussion
@@chinmaypurohit3431 no point making such snobbish attack...
Sham Sharma also does similar discussion and he has good number of subscribers... It's about appeal of the style...
i think its mainly coz of english + youtube algorithms
Because it's in English.
It's also about one kind of political thought.
Also this isn't about explaining every daily news.
@@pulkit8628 I know why people go there for AIM doing some antiques and SS reviewing memes or owning the pseudo-libs and Indian wokes. Enjoyable as that might be the SS audience won’t enjoy what Kushal discusses. Also many of his guests don’t have “charisma” something that the other popular channels sell quite well
Ayaan Hirsi Ali explained the understanding, perplexed herself, of nationalism in Europe.
"Nobody snickered exactly, but they looked at me strangely. It wasn’t that I was black and claiming Dutchness; that was fine. It was because being Dutch meant absolutely nothing to these people. If anything, my Dutch friends seemed uncomfortable with the symbols of Dutchness: the flag and the monarchy. These things seemed to them to hark back to the treacherous days of the Second World War. They saw nationalism as almost the same thing as racism. Nobody seemed proud of being Dutch."
When you have an understanding that "nationalism = racism", obviously the idea will receive a monstrous push back - doesn't matter which country, which religion.
What can we do help India has its narrative in US ?
Support Hindu American Foundation.
Till we are not prosper we can't do anything it is in the hand of hindus settled in western countries who are now quite rich.
But these Hindus are the most woke I mean my sister's friend now refer herself as a brown or southeast Asian inestad of Indian.
Our nationalism, at least the image of it that seems to be guiding the masses does exclude one ethnicity, viz, Muslims.
We need abhinav and the likes to give voice to a kind of nationalism which is assertive about its Hindu identity but also places checks against discrimination with Muslims, by voicing more articulately and in a detailed manner this idea.
Remember, even a Buddhist nation wasn't immune to human tribalism-aided atrocities against Muslims(rohingya).
So, "we are pluralistic" Hindus isn't enough as an argument.
Hindu nationalism is not exclusive. That is is perceived to be so has nothing to do with Hindus and everything to do with the exclusivist and exceptionalist mentality and prejudices and frankly bigotry of those doing the perceiving.
Western European nations and the US, Canada, and Australia have a strong Judeo-Christian ethos that is largely indifferent to most other faiths and cultures, including the indigenous peoples in their own nations that they have largely erased. Yet you look up to them as models of liberal, inclusive societies where Muslims do live and thrive. For the most part they have no qualms assimilating into and adopting much of the ethos of those societies. So all this talk of feeling excluded is nothing but entitled nonsense and has everything to do with an Abrahamic disdain for Indic cultures and nothing to do with non-existent feelings of alienation or prejudice.
Every Muslim of India is an equal citizen of this country and is entitled to the same rights, respect, and dignity as any Hindu. However, this has nothing to do with the fundamental civilizational ethos and essence of this country, which is emphatically and unequivocally Hindu. If anything, Indian secularism is a direct result of fundamentally Hindu ethos - there is a reason non-Muslim populations in Muslim nations are invariably sidelined if not outright exterminated. Frankly the overwhelming majority of Muslims have no qualms in accepting this, after all we are descended from the same people. This is a non-issue for 99% of all Indians. This is the fundamental salience of India - otherwise what are we but a second-rate combination of Arabia and the West?
That a minority refuses to see this and chooses to interpret this as exclusivist or bigoted is their problem and not that of Hindus. Not unlike how some Islamists who live in the West continually and aggressively allege discrimination and oppression while partaking of every blessing that residence in such a society offers.
47:25 something is being fried
bhai cooker ki seeti hai dhyaan se sun
@@mridulgupta6061 haa chawal pak raha hai
Namaste !!!!
Consequence of Bhakti Movement was many poor people converting from Shaivism to Vaishnavism, as my ancestors did, who were endogamous groups up until mid 20th century.
Bhelpuri of nature and nurture. Wow.
Yaar yeh abhinav sir ko kitna zyada knowledge hai.
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India as country was rich but wealth distribution was skewed. Warrior class appropriated most of the production.
Only people ageing between 15 to 25 years demographic fall into wokeness not other age group because of education system and social media. Once social responsible happens they will oppose this woke idea. Parents responsibility to guide their children from this ideology.
Its all the way up to 40s
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Condrad Elst wud agree with u Prakash
Indian freedom struggle is a Hindu movement. It's a shame that Muslims got to rule us again under Nehru govts education, cultural ministry for decades .
How did we even allow this ???
Muslims yes they did participate, but their contribution was minor, though it can't be ignored.
Major sacrifices were made by hindus .
Gandhi had to support khilafat movement, for the sole purpose of bringing Muslims into this struggle who 🔖weren't as forthcoming, energetic as hindus.
🔖Muslim league isn't a Freedom movement.
🔖Muslims were cajoled by Sir Syed to support British rule and infact 🔖fight Hindus
10:32
I don't think it is accurate to say that all tribal revolts were mainly caused because of missionary activities in tribal areas. As far as I have read the main problem was because of the zamindari system, which made them labourers to non tribals in their own lands.
What is India and Pakistan?
India is India and Pakistan is India which has been Islamized.
👍 True.
He is saying corporates should not hire social science students from institutes like tiss iits...but it should be some criteria to filter out the non wokism ones no :/
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Please specify what unifies various indian states. You state that indian nationalism is different so please specify.
Obviously they were supposed to get woke eventually.
Keep your national interests straighten-up and taken care of.
Keep cultural transactions common by achieving singularity of religion, usually abrahamic.
And then lecture about immigration, poverty, sociology, right of representation, finances, etc.
After the World War II meaning of nationalism has changed. Loyalty to a country is now called patriotism. Loyalty to particular group with no geographic loyalty but to a particular group of people, for example Jinnah's Muslim loyalty to a religion, is called nationalism. So usage of nationalism is used to describe loyalty to a particular group of people in a country in exclusion of others in the country. Aryan Nationalism in US is dedicated to supremacy of "Aryans" and exclusion of others from the political power. If Hindu Nationalism in India mirrors Islamic Nationalism then it is similar to German Nationalism of Hitler- I am actually saying that Islamic Nationalism of Pakistan is similar to German Nationalism of Hitler- and wants to exclude others from the political power in India. This kind of loyalty to section of people in country has acquired negative connotation since World War II. With respect to current usage of Patriotism vs Nationalism Kunal Mehra is right and Abhinava Prakash is wrong. Just like Indians wish westerners understand the word "Dharma" they should understand the usage of words in languages foreign to them.
Yo
yaar bc kushal's beard game is excellent
What is Ramkrishna mission doing, Swami Vivekananda without sanatan dharam the civilization will be finished.
Bump
Studies are mediocre. Not because of poverty. It is laziness. If our institutions do just local research, can they do good job? They can't.
Congress isn't a party before 1947 .
Congress is India or represented all Indians. Hindus before 1947.
So Congressis before 1947 and after 1947 are totally different.
Wokeism wants hundreds of divisions., faultlines. They create these divisions, aggregate them and pit them against our dharma .
Don't let them .
MNC branches have feminism. Many promotions are on women's quota. Clubbed with this, Indian male's image as sexual predator is not helping. Definitely, not as bad as west.
Willy Brandt, ex-German chancellor once defined The difference between Nationalist & a Patriot.
Both a Patriot & a Nationalist love their motherland. The difference is a Patriot loves his motherland without disregard of other motherland. Whereas, a Nationalist loves his motherland too but has disregard for other land. In that sense, nationalism has negative connotation.
WOKISM had its beginning in "Wide Awake" movement in 1850s against slavery in US. WOKISM is about fighting discrimination actively rather than passively through Satyagraha or just peaceful protest.
Pls shut up. Wokeism is not fighting against discrimination. It is fighting against perceived discrimination, does not matter if it is or not. It is a belief that if history is not for our ideology change it, if statistics are not in our favor ignore them or fudge them nothing more. Don't use vir das ideas here.
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