@@RanEncounter I'd say 1/5 people are using it or blindspot. Then there's the teleporting axe. The spammable throwing shields and fire balls. Like man there's almost no reason to learn to play pvp you can just spam some shiz.
Thrusting shield is definitely an incredible weapon, I wonder if combining the newly buffed stone club and hammer talisman can get some good results against it though. By the way, blocking moonveil might be worth if you use new Pearlshield talisman, it raises the non physical negation of your shield.
Nah, the Fingerprint shield still takes a massive dung on whatever the fuck these things are supposed to be only and exclusively because of the almost unbreakable guard with the correct build lol
I came up with a build for this that includes both Carian Thrusting shield and the Regular one whilst wearing full Verdigris armor and I was gonna call it the “Offensive Wall” but my friend remembered a movie called “Real Steel” and I looked into it’s a movie about Robots boxing. And now it’s the name for the Dual Thrusting Shield build; “Real Steel”
Lol it's worse now you literally can't break this things stamina and it negates damage in attack animation as well it's utter bullshit a really unskilled weapon. This is why you have gatekeepers in fromsoft because when you don't this shit happens and the devs respond to all the whiners who needed bosses and weapons nerfed while theirs get buffs over the next 3 patches
@@lharsaythis is still nearly just as bad, because the stamina cost is so ridiculously tiny compared to, y'know, using an actual shield lol. This is also an infinitely more aggressive setup than shield poking.
Tanking a the white charge (oof sounds bad) with minimal damage to stamina, having the shield go through your opponent during crits, absolutely no unique ashes of war and blocking frames being way to stretched makes me feel they really didnt finish this weapon type, snd that within 4 months will get a revamp Or at least i wish, bc holy shit lol
@@leonardo9259 No, it's better in practice as evidenced by the already dozens of videos, including this one, displaying its ridiculous ability to be aggressive while being nearly impossible to counter, even with collossals.
I'd say that a thrusting shield with scholar's shield or the grease variant could be a good counter to swift slash, but it needs more testing and so fsr I've fought one with this setup
Whats the best counter to duelist shields you think? Not including cheese like swift slash or perfume one shots. I smell giant nerfs to duelist shield incoming, but for now its such an unbearable weapon to go up against.
honestly, I thought this weapon was going to suck, the last time Fromsoft gave us a weapon with block frames it was pretty terrible (Valorheart), good to see I was wrong. wish there were more of them though, I think only 2 thrusting shields isn't enough.
Seeing this I wonder would using an off hand weapon with it like a great sword would be viable, just to keep the shield in the main hand. Maybe not necessary but would be cool
Im thinking im gonna have fun with this shield cold infused xombined with spear of the the impaler. You get gaurd pokes with both weapons, and frost and fire
is there any reason to use thrusting shields with a weapon ? or is this type of shield only viable while 2 handing it ? (both for PvE and PvP) to me it seems just like PvP gimmick with no other practical use, but i would gladly learn more if its actually usefull as a shield for any other build
The entire weapon class is actually op. You can tank collossals and remain aggressive in light armor, because you defend while you attack, and the guard values are ridiculously overturned. Collossals literally tickle your stamina bar. Seems so silly to nerf shields... Only to make an entire class around the same broken aspects.
No he's probably tossing and turning from his email going off from all the strength and magic users blowing up his emails demanding more op shit and how this isn't good enough when it was made because it got a buff in 1.19
use the new fire giants ultra greatsword.. it has an r1 to r1 and poke to r1 true combo 100% of time time. on a str build, with fire affinity, and one of the 2 ashes of war that coats that blade in mesmer's flame, paired with the cracked tear that coats your enemies in oil in your physic.... you can do 1600 damage true combos. 100% of the time.
@@dennismadrid5146 yes. on my 80 str 150 a build, I was running 129 poise, the new 2h sword talisman, and with that new UGS on fire, with the ash of war fire buff on the sword, I was at over 1000 AR. that with exalted flesh, and an uplifting aromatic I was over 1300. that with the oil on the physic... I hit a host for 1900 max hp.. in ONE r1 to r1 true combo. It's currently the BEST UGS.... and on a side note... with 99 vigor (2100 hp) with the fire knight's pointed helm, the new +3 crimson talisman, and the erdtree's +2... you will have 2450 HP.. that in a duel is pretty nasty. you can have that + 129 poise + 80 str at RL 200. makes for a nearly unkillable hyperarmour trading tank. OR you could put that str into faith, and cast minor erdtree (but the sword would be to flame art instead of fire) and you can just sit on the 24hp/second healing tree as you force trades.. X D.. it's the only currently known counter to swiftslash.. other than Chainsaw l0l
I get that it’s the dlc and a lot of things are going to be broken, but this gs is very overtuned. It should not have true combos with regular r1s. I use the weapon and it is just straight up not fair so much so I had to stop using it because it became not fun to invade
Using reapers or shotels for chip damage, impaling thrust/piercing fang, blind spot. There are ways around it but it's a bit rough atm. Still trying to find the best counter
@@rtaninosnah not what I meant, Sword of Nights AoW, per the description says it can't be blocked completely so more than Normal damage goes through shields. Though it's clunky to use IMO.
@RedPhisher175 Impaling thrust ignores 60% of block, piercing fang ignores blocking completely. Sword of Night's aow is indeed clunky and easy to get around, but I'm sure we'll find more solutions as the time goes on. Thrusting shields are good but I don't forsee them being the be-all-end-all of pvp
Valorheart was the most underrated weapon in ds3. Everyone slept on it but its mixup game was so good. I would pair it with an off hand iron round shield so if you weren’t paying attention, you didn’t know if I had parry up or block break up. R1 R1 jump attack caught people so often and the move set was so stylish.
Been maining this since i got it, Im not a fantastic PvPer, but ive fought a few Scythes and it wasnt too troublesome, this is a really great, and well balanced, strong option and im glad it was added
@@Paydirt90847 yeah the dlc meta is rock paper scissors rn, dueling shield beats sleep spread crossbow, crossbow beats blind spot, blind spot beats dueling shield. Swift slash beats them all and shamshir is somewhere just behind them.
Double Shotel with lightning & bloodhound claw weapons go through these shields like a hot knife through butter 🧈 👌 endure AoW gives you a chance to reverse pressure as well
Every single weapon should have special block atack, it doesn't suppose to have block properties, no you just get a new attack when you hold block, that's it. Imagine having some king of poke on your collosal hammer, would be good. And we also need access to back step attack form neatrall.
Just came here to say if your abusing hyper armor you're a bum never in the history of fromsoft has anyone been able to tank to poise literally everything and stand stationary or just move forward and press one button. This is now possible thanks to elden ring ashes of war and hyper armor. We have always had hyper armor but never has it been so overpowered in pvp it makes anything else unviable. You can really tell which builds do the most crying to the developers as they constantly nerf dex and arcane boosting strength faith and magic consistently. What more do you guys need to win is my question. How many handicaps and advantages do you actually need to feel comfortable in pvp?
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A weapon that I can’t use swift slash with? How am I suppose to play the game?
Lmao
The more people use something else the more likely he can be the only one swift slashing
@@Rewdy04 honestly I don't even want to use it once I've already been on the receiving end of it, cheesing like that won't make me better
@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT I have not seen many of people using it. A couple sure but most people are using something else.
@@RanEncounter I'd say 1/5 people are using it or blindspot. Then there's the teleporting axe. The spammable throwing shields and fire balls. Like man there's almost no reason to learn to play pvp you can just spam some shiz.
Bleed or frost procs dont break attack animations for shields, so you can mash against bleed users without losing priority.
Thrusting shield is definitely an incredible weapon, I wonder if combining the newly buffed stone club and hammer talisman can get some good results against it though.
By the way, blocking moonveil might be worth if you use new Pearlshield talisman, it raises the non physical negation of your shield.
Big brain
The best offensive is a great defense
-Miyazaki, probably
The other Dueling shield might be able to block Moonveil, since it's magic-focused. It also has a higher Guard Boost.
And able to be infused with other damage, which give me more damage
Dueling shield said to fingerprint : I'm you but better
Nah, the Fingerprint shield still takes a massive dung on whatever the fuck these things are supposed to be only and exclusively because of the almost unbreakable guard with the correct build lol
@@jador9641blind spot go brrr
Dude, from 1:18 onwards you exactly mirror my thoughts and actions when I tried this out earlier today. Amazing :D
Yea but can it beat Swift Slash?
Prolly no
This is elden rings 'but can they beat Goku?'
Nope
Nothing can beat that. Only fromsoft can help with that lol
can chainsaw be pulled before swift slash user teleport behind you?
I came up with a build for this that includes both Carian Thrusting shield and the Regular one whilst wearing full Verdigris armor and I was gonna call it the “Offensive Wall” but my friend remembered a movie called “Real Steel” and I looked into it’s a movie about Robots boxing. And now it’s the name for the Dual Thrusting Shield build; “Real Steel”
how much are they paying you to advertise real steel
@@falsechordI’ll Never tell
The shield essentially gives you free hyper armor without having the armor for it.
9:03 That guy hit your shield with greathammer but barey did any shit to your stamina. That shield is nasty as fuck.
Its op ASF. Remember when everyone was whining about shield pokes? Funny how the same people who hate those play styles love this one lol
Lol it's worse now you literally can't break this things stamina and it negates damage in attack animation as well it's utter bullshit a really unskilled weapon. This is why you have gatekeepers in fromsoft because when you don't this shit happens and the devs respond to all the whiners who needed bosses and weapons nerfed while theirs get buffs over the next 3 patches
@@kyriethaking Git gud.
@@mechamahou8467 bro you realize this weapon is bugged right
@@kyriethaking No, it isn't. They literally patched it nearly a month ago. The weapon is just still top tier.
It's shield poke on steroids
Pre patch shield poke could block anything with 0 stamina cost.
@@lharsaythis is still nearly just as bad, because the stamina cost is so ridiculously tiny compared to, y'know, using an actual shield lol. This is also an infinitely more aggressive setup than shield poking.
This fights the most like a real weapon, good blocks and parries in real life also are attacks
Yeah in its own right ; but can you parry the feels
Perfume bottles are hella fun when you use the rolling sparkles ash of war to one-shot people in pvp
Tanking a the white charge (oof sounds bad) with minimal damage to stamina, having the shield go through your opponent during crits, absolutely no unique ashes of war and blocking frames being way to stretched makes me feel they really didnt finish this weapon type, snd that within 4 months will get a revamp
Or at least i wish, bc holy shit lol
Like he said, actually cool design with neat ideas, makes a better offensive shield than the giant doors only in paper
@@leonardo9259 No, it's better in practice as evidenced by the already dozens of videos, including this one, displaying its ridiculous ability to be aggressive while being nearly impossible to counter, even with collossals.
@@mechamahou8467 i meant better as in better implemented, not better as in beats all setups
I love that the shield has so much reach, such a wonderful addition to the armory.
I'd say that a thrusting shield with scholar's shield or the grease variant could be a good counter to swift slash, but it needs more testing and so fsr I've fought one with this setup
Whats the best counter to duelist shields you think? Not including cheese like swift slash or perfume one shots.
I smell giant nerfs to duelist shield incoming, but for now its such an unbearable weapon to go up against.
The Wall returns. With a vengeance!
honestly, I thought this weapon was going to suck, the last time Fromsoft gave us a weapon with block frames it was pretty terrible (Valorheart), good to see I was wrong.
wish there were more of them though, I think only 2 thrusting shields isn't enough.
Valorheart far from sucked in pvp
Seeing this I wonder would using an off hand weapon with it like a great sword would be viable, just to keep the shield in the main hand. Maybe not necessary but would be cool
I appreciate the longer videos
I'm not suprised, I was sure that these would be great PvP weapons.
14:14 he is the chosen one!
You are for Elden Ring what Fighter PL was for ds3 and I love it
Aaah, anyone remember when Jee used to complain about storm stomp literally every day? Bet he uses this weapon tho 😂.
You should try working the erdtree greatshield back into your build for those occasions.
Im thinking im gonna have fun with this shield cold infused xombined with spear of the the impaler. You get gaurd pokes with both weapons, and frost and fire
21:36 indeed Steel.....BRUAH :v
XD
Is not carian thrusting shield would be good againdt magic? As if yes that would be straight upgrade from normal thrusting shield
is there any reason to use thrusting shields with a weapon ? or is this type of shield only viable while 2 handing it ? (both for PvE and PvP)
to me it seems just like PvP gimmick with no other practical use, but i would gladly learn more if its actually usefull as a shield for any other build
Not really a gimmick. Historically in video games anything that attacks and defends at the same time is good and can play extremely aggressively.
The entire weapon class is actually op. You can tank collossals and remain aggressive in light armor, because you defend while you attack, and the guard values are ridiculously overturned. Collossals literally tickle your stamina bar. Seems so silly to nerf shields... Only to make an entire class around the same broken aspects.
These shields trivialise a lot of the dlc bosses too, but its cool to see them in pvp
how are you getting through inventory in the middle of pvp?
It’s insanely good
Can you use barricade shield on them to halve block cost?
2:47 I neesñd add this sound to my stream deck 😂
Twice the poke
Double the block
Miyazaki grinning in his sleep
No he's probably tossing and turning from his email going off from all the strength and magic users blowing up his emails demanding more op shit and how this isn't good enough when it was made because it got a buff in 1.19
the captin america shield is pretty op too
use the new fire giants ultra greatsword.. it has an r1 to r1 and poke to r1 true combo 100% of time time. on a str build, with fire affinity, and one of the 2 ashes of war that coats that blade in mesmer's flame, paired with the cracked tear that coats your enemies in oil in your physic.... you can do 1600 damage true combos. 100% of the time.
Yeah it’s pretty good. It also pretty light for an ultra weapon so you can easily min max your character for more damage compared to the other ultras.
@@dennismadrid5146 yes. on my 80 str 150 a build, I was running 129 poise, the new 2h sword talisman, and with that new UGS on fire, with the ash of war fire buff on the sword, I was at over 1000 AR. that with exalted flesh, and an uplifting aromatic I was over 1300. that with the oil on the physic... I hit a host for 1900 max hp.. in ONE r1 to r1 true combo. It's currently the BEST UGS.... and on a side note... with 99 vigor (2100 hp) with the fire knight's pointed helm, the new +3 crimson talisman, and the erdtree's +2... you will have 2450 HP.. that in a duel is pretty nasty. you can have that + 129 poise + 80 str at RL 200. makes for a nearly unkillable hyperarmour trading tank. OR you could put that str into faith, and cast minor erdtree (but the sword would be to flame art instead of fire) and you can just sit on the 24hp/second healing tree as you force trades.. X D.. it's the only currently known counter to swiftslash.. other than Chainsaw l0l
I get that it’s the dlc and a lot of things are going to be broken, but this gs is very overtuned. It should not have true combos with regular r1s. I use the weapon and it is just straight up not fair so much so I had to stop using it because it became not fun to invade
another braindead player crutching on broken weapons
what is that sword in inventory above the thrusting shield?
How do you beat this in PVP? If people just wait with the shield and trade with you it seems like they’d just win.
I believe there's ashes that bypass shields completely
Using reapers or shotels for chip damage, impaling thrust/piercing fang, blind spot. There are ways around it but it's a bit rough atm. Still trying to find the best counter
@@rtaninosnah not what I meant, Sword of Nights AoW, per the description says it can't be blocked completely so more than Normal damage goes through shields. Though it's clunky to use IMO.
@RedPhisher175 Impaling thrust ignores 60% of block, piercing fang ignores blocking completely. Sword of Night's aow is indeed clunky and easy to get around, but I'm sure we'll find more solutions as the time goes on. Thrusting shields are good but I don't forsee them being the be-all-end-all of pvp
Blind spot is the only reliable counter. Or swift slash if you're evil.
I really like that shield
I wish we get something like valorheart from ds3. I really miss sword and shield
Same, valorheart was my jam
Valorheart was the most underrated weapon in ds3. Everyone slept on it but its mixup game was so good. I would pair it with an off hand iron round shield so if you weren’t paying attention, you didn’t know if I had parry up or block break up. R1 R1 jump attack caught people so often and the move set was so stylish.
what does powerstancing duel shields do?
block or poke?
They don’t have a powerstanced moveset sadly
Can confirm, no powerstance. Left shield blocks on l1, does poke on l2 if you have shield strike ash on it
running heavy is nice too. i never play with lock on on the weapon, just works better that way (tbf i play on pc)
Does 2 handed talisman work with it
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Whar AoW can you put on these things? I thought they only used shield AoWs.
Quite a bit. It’s very good
Hammer tali stone club gets outraded by this,its pretty broken.
Can you put parry on it??
Unfortunately(but also thankfully) no, you cannot.
can it beat taylor swift tho ?
Now we’re asking the (real) questions 😂
I might have to try this lol
Been maining this since i got it, Im not a fantastic PvPer, but ive fought a few Scythes and it wasnt too troublesome, this is a really great, and well balanced, strong option and im glad it was added
this is not balanced my guy, far from it
Yeah nah this weapon is completely broken
@@tarveyanderson7222 Wot. Are you high? Of all the things in the DLC *this* is busted? Loool
my guy said “well balanced” when its braindead broken 😂😂😂 ahh the crutches
@@Paydirt90847 yeah the dlc meta is rock paper scissors rn, dueling shield beats sleep spread crossbow, crossbow beats blind spot, blind spot beats dueling shield. Swift slash beats them all and shamshir is somewhere just behind them.
Imma thrust your shield Steelovsky
Steelybro you overestimated the poor pve players
Not a single guard counter in this video :(
Unless i missed it
I actually want to make a build around this, the mix of offensive and defensive power seems great to wield
Double Shotel with lightning & bloodhound claw weapons go through these shields like a hot knife through butter 🧈 👌 endure AoW gives you a chance to reverse pressure as well
the only thing u can do vs this shield rn is kick it
If u play very passive u out trade and cant be guard popped
Every single weapon should have special block atack, it doesn't suppose to have block properties, no you just get a new attack when you hold block, that's it. Imagine having some king of poke on your collosal hammer, would be good.
And we also need access to back step attack form neatrall.
blind spot shuts it down unfortunately
Blind spot shuts down anything
Just came here to say if your abusing hyper armor you're a bum never in the history of fromsoft has anyone been able to tank to poise literally everything and stand stationary or just move forward and press one button. This is now possible thanks to elden ring ashes of war and hyper armor. We have always had hyper armor but never has it been so overpowered in pvp it makes anything else unviable. You can really tell which builds do the most crying to the developers as they constantly nerf dex and arcane boosting strength faith and magic consistently. What more do you guys need to win is my question. How many handicaps and advantages do you actually need to feel comfortable in pvp?
It isn’t swift slash don’t care
bro you are extremely toxic 😂 i will uninstall this game
Don't see Jeenine then
Bruh 😂
Another broken dlc shi(eld)t
It ask skill tbh steel is just very good
Counter? It is just unbalanced broken thing.
Moves that ignores block, moves that apply alot of stamina damage to shields, pretty much anything that counters greatshield+ thrusting weapon