@@mollywhoppedsouls_pvp They clearly just have two entire seperate divisions for pve and pvp and none of them ever communicate with eachother. Like seriously, there's no way anyone ever tested that monstrosity
I cannot think of ONE REASON that they didn't put 6 player limit in the DLC.... it's so so fucking disheartening... they really had a golden opportunity and fucked it right up
I always thought that if they didn't put that limit in the base game, they weren't going to do it in the DLC, no matter how much the PVPers asked for it.
Thing is, even pre nerf bloodhoundstep was practically useless for actually killing people, it just made you almost impossible to kill until fp ran out, swiftslash not only does that but also kills your opponent, it's the whole sh*tter package
@@sPaCe_NiNjA187 not really, some shitter pop up now and then but mostly they want to try new weapon, still, pack one back hand with swift slash just in case, I like the round one with throw attack, I use r1 and r2 mostly and if there is a sign that they pull this swift slash shit I throw it right back at them
The backhand blades swift slash and blind spot are completely OP and extremely annoying. Same with that teleporting lightning twin-axe thing. Some of the ashes of war they have added this DLC have been just horrendous to play against.
I very much like the death knight greataxe. I think that ash of war is a good mix of flashy but not ridiculous. I haven’t used it in pvp so I hope it isn’t super broken
The gravitational missile can be used as a great 360 shotgun blast around the player when aimed at the ground and a great denial of area if need to make a escape
I was using a lightroll vergil build, and figured out lightroll just completely counters swift slash. U roll far enough and have enough frames to just roll on by the opposite direction they are swift slashing
who else gave up on invasions entirely and settled for watching Steel? Like screw this garbage man you win michael zaki Im not gonna bother with invasions I guess.
I’m just getting my builds together and getting the bonfires on other builds, no CE sucks :( buuuuuut at least there’s less Martian gamers on console :)
I know i did. My invasions are always some sort of bs. Hell i even got invaded by someone named dlc meta, using assassins gambit, swift slash (with bleed) and bull-goat with white mask. Not even safe in my own world anymore-
So swift slash needs a HUGE range reduction, way more recovery frames, and the delayed slashs need too not be delayed and pretty much happen at the same time as the lunge, or make it tier 1 hitstun, and boom its balanced
I wont spoil in case you havent gotten that far but there is a sword in the dlc with a grab attack aow that would have been super useful when he was abusing the ironjar.
instead of complaining about over powered thing I'm gonna say: Vedigris talisman really needs buff like shit is just under tuned I fat roll and dont even get to same def as dragon great shield talisman, even over loaded isn't close, the fuck FS? edit: 17:45 nah wtf no jump needed? rip
This is why I make room in my build for the new lightning spear incantation. They can dodge the main bolt, but always get hit by the follow up ones for insane damage.
The counter to swift slash is to be at the edge of the range of a charged slash, and use palm blast. Consistently a winning trade for me every time. Also you keep dodging the wrong way. Always dodge AWAY from the slash, not to the left or right, it's far larger an aoe in that regard. Dodging through can also work depending on if you are between the quick and the charged swift slash.
@@ungone7133 We've had awful to deal with ashes of war before. But saying it has no counter or refusing to use appropriate counters/not countering it properly is completely on the player. Can you be screwed by the location? Sure. But don't act like that doesn't happen from other ashes of war. Hand of malenia in tight corridors with high poise and resistances results in you getting killed every single time. This doesnt do anywhere near that damage. HOM will kill in a true combo every single time. All it takes is someone to be spamming attacks at you in a tight space and you're completely cooked by the HOM user too. So let's not sit here and pretend that the base game didn't have bullshit too. Does the ash need to be nerfed? absolutely. But lets not sit here and act like its unbeatable.
Mind to show me how you're using palm blast against swift slash? telling me to roll away in storehouse is ridiculous on its own but another issue is a hitbox of last sphere that actually moves onwards. You're not dodging it without latency.
@Steelovsky I'm waiting for them to engage in the charge. The moment I see the charge, I charge palmblast. I sit at the edge of the range, if you're within the quick cast its an entirely different matter, but palmblast can be used against it to some degree as well. That thing has outrageous superarmor. I've also manual aimed lion's claw onto it. Dodging the attack is definitely possible if they're doing the charged attack. The charged vacuum slashes dont extend that far forward so a backroll works, so long as they arent getting behind you. If they are, if they're still relatively close though palmblast will hit them in that case as well. Not that many people are running it on pc, but the ones that do use it spam the ash. But I dont have any clips atm. i'll post them when i come across someone with it again.
Does the mist spells give them build up while they are using the skill? Was thinking you could bait them into Fia’s or Freezing to give them buildup if they just blindly spam it.
How do u have so many saves for pvp do u go through the game each time or something else? Just wondering if u use a mule and if so, what mule is safe for pvp?
Most of the PvP content creators make a save on PC use CE to make the build(s) drop x copies of weapons, etc etc then transfer the save to console. Since apparently console has less trash ping issues, and stable frame rate…usually anyway 😅
@@DTGeorge Could ask the same to you 💀? I'm a pacifist so I don't fuck with all the hating streamer shit between each other. I watch for the personalities and that's why you'll catch me watching everyone.
@@Mizuraka4437 I agree with you, wasn't trying to be mean or something, I just wasn't expecting you here, it surprised me. I watch all kinds of Elden Ring content creators too
I dont thing that ganker sucks. He is holding is own against him. And very creative. This was the best invasions i have seen yet. Very good on both parts. True he is spamming it but they did put it in the game. You have people that spam stuff all the time. I say have fun with swift slash while you can. We all know they will nerf it. It is a fun ash of war. And a very good gank buster.
That ash of war is annoying, I fought people like this in colosseum using bow build. The guy just spamming it lol and keeps on landing the hit. It doesn't look like this swift slash ash of war has a counter against it.
God no, 125 is the only thing stopping ridiculous hybrid builds from destroying any semblance of balance. This dlc gave everyone infinite Fp, so maybe it’s not a good idea to give every build access to erd tree heal aswell.
Should be fine for invasions I think 125 aand 150 are where people do arena. you can back up your save in a separate folder to experiment with builds until you are good to finally actually spend one. or just NG+ and get more should be like 12-15 per play.
The cipher rings were the worst idea ever introduced to Elden Ring, you can use them at ANY time meaning that hosts will pussy away till the fun police shows up to make an already unbalanced fight even more miserable if said invader doesn't have any way to deal with it
Also, I'm genuinely curious what people think. In the past, it felt like invasions were a bit more forgiving. Like if you'd invade someone with phantoms it felt like you'd end up seeing another invader join shortly after to make it an even match. Am I tripping? Feels like every invasion in this game is a 3 v 1 lol. Normally that's not an issue but when you have spammable ashes like swift slash it gets tired real quick
Wtf was this invasion?! :'D By the way, shouldn't the lightning bolt ash of war have done the trick vs iron jar potion? (You know, the one, where a lighting strike comes from above and you can basically chain spam it and you can only dodge it with iFrames)
Dude, every invasion you use Starlight Shards, they are gifts you got from subscribers, and it's infinite mana if you use it only for low cost ashes of war.
As soon as I saw the name "Shagrothz" swift slash was the first thing on my mind.
Shagrothz for Steelovsky is like Noobslayer for Chasethebro
and I suppose mungus for jee
The lore deepens
Holy shit peak lore reference
We need Shagrothz and Noobslayer collab
Every elden has its ring
I once invaded and ran for 10 seconds, then saw a full 3 man squad of Bull Goats with Backhand Blades. I then severed my finger.
Reasonable reaction tbh. Idk what From was thing
absolutely legendary that you didnt die to this shit
Shag when Swift Slash didn’t came with “skill” status built up:
To be a blue for people like this is atrocious
You mean “to be a blue” right? Since it’s never a solo host anymore?
They all were sacrifices 😭😭
When I get pulled in and the host is just sitting with their thumb up their ass I just leave.
I don't help them when I see a build like this 😂
I aid as a blue by taking up a spot for a potential summon
Swift slash is a mistake and FromSoft are shtters for making it.
I think one of the devs really sucks at pvp and made it as revenge😢
For killing gankers it's great
@@mollywhoppedsouls_pvp They clearly just have two entire seperate divisions for pve and pvp and none of them ever communicate with eachother.
Like seriously, there's no way anyone ever tested that monstrosity
well chainsaw still exists, they were shtters even before swift slash
Maybe I need to git gutter but backwards swords AOWs just seem busted for pvp
I cannot think of ONE REASON that they didn't put 6 player limit in the DLC.... it's so so fucking disheartening... they really had a golden opportunity and fucked it right up
I always thought that if they didn't put that limit in the base game, they weren't going to do it in the DLC, no matter how much the PVPers asked for it.
Pretty sure it is because old gen couldn't handle it.
@@5446or5446 can't you play DS3 on PS4? lol
bc console would be terrible with 5+ ptp connections
6 swift slashes happening at the same time. OH GOD YES MIYAZAKI
Yeah now imagine 3 coordinated gankers with this ash...
So scary😵💫😵😭💀
they don't even need to be coordinated
(tr)ash*
FIFY
free chainsaw tbh, you wanna exploit? Lets exploit then 😂
@@thethumblessn00b19 The guy was exploiting? I thought he was just using an unbalanced ash of war
Bro walks like a fking T-800. Hasta la vista, baby.
Swift Slash is just that obligatory anime trope where a character goes "H-he's fast!"
This ash is rubbish. How did they put this into their game with their past experience about Bloodhound Step!
Thing is, even pre nerf bloodhoundstep was practically useless for actually killing people, it just made you almost impossible to kill until fp ran out, swiftslash not only does that but also kills your opponent, it's the whole sh*tter package
From is dropping the ball for balance.
@@alalmalalfrom never cared about balance when it makes the game fun, they only started doing that now that they have a way bigger crowd than normal
Plot twist: Shag and Steel know each other IRL and Shag is playing the villain for the show. And they’re both in on it.
XD
Yeah I'm not touching pvp until this shit gets fixed. Luckily I'm no where near finished with the DLC yet
I bet arena is filled with swift slash
@@sPaCe_NiNjA187yes it is, always gotta keep the stupid R1R1 ugs and swift slash ready to swap, to deal with shitters with their own tools
Actually haven't fought much swift ash in colloseum tbh
@@sPaCe_NiNjA187 not really, some shitter pop up now and then but mostly they want to try new weapon, still, pack one back hand with swift slash just in case, I like the round one with throw attack, I use r1 and r2 mostly and if there is a sign that they pull this swift slash shit I throw it right back at them
How do they do an ash so broken that it's fp less version is useable and balanced.
And they had the nerve to nerf Stormhawk axe and Moonveil... Like bruh what
@@Blittsplitt5moonveil can get fcked
@@samuraidog1510a lot easier to deal with than this trash
I said the same exact shit
@@Blittsplitt5 Moonveil nerf was kind of based, but stormhawk was nerfed so ppl would spam the twin axes :(
one ash of war has once again ruined the pvp completely. Can’t wait to get on as see this stupid shit over and over now
Calling shagrothz a bot is an insult to a bots intelligence
Shrag looks and plays like he is running on 3 lines of code
The backhand blades swift slash and blind spot are completely OP and extremely annoying. Same with that teleporting lightning twin-axe thing. Some of the ashes of war they have added this DLC have been just horrendous to play against.
Not to mention rolling sparks oneshots
I very much like the death knight greataxe. I think that ash of war is a good mix of flashy but not ridiculous. I haven’t used it in pvp so I hope it isn’t super broken
twin axe is cool, you just need to roll into it.
They’ll likely fix it eventually
@@formatomi this, this is the next cancer after swift slash
this is the most fun invasion I have ever watched lmfao
I just cant man, this dlc is a bliss
The gravitational missile can be used as a great 360 shotgun blast around the player when aimed at the ground and a great denial of area if need to make a escape
I was using a lightroll vergil build, and figured out lightroll just completely counters swift slash. U roll far enough and have enough frames to just roll on by the opposite direction they are swift slashing
💯💯💯
HIgh Poise + Rkr with Gugs
who else gave up on invasions entirely and settled for watching Steel? Like screw this garbage man you win michael zaki Im not gonna bother with invasions I guess.
I’m just getting my builds together and getting the bonfires on other builds, no CE sucks :( buuuuuut at least there’s less Martian gamers on console :)
I know i did. My invasions are always some sort of bs. Hell i even got invaded by someone named dlc meta, using assassins gambit, swift slash (with bleed) and bull-goat with white mask.
Not even safe in my own world anymore-
PVP went forwards two steps with the patch and then backwards 10 steps with the dlc bullshit. They never fail to disappoint.
Saved by the PvE healing you, def something to keep in mind when invading around here
Soooo, the High ground is the counter to swift anime bois? Obi wan would be proud
Best invasion of the DLC
His weakness is not elevation, his weakness is skill because he has none
So swift slash needs a HUGE range reduction, way more recovery frames, and the delayed slashs need too not be delayed and pretty much happen at the same time as the lunge, or make it tier 1 hitstun, and boom its balanced
So essentially make it unusable lol😂
This is literally the best Souls invasion I have ever seen, and every minute of it was cancer
Sometimes that's what makes it fun. Trolling the trolls
9:50 lol the way he L2s away from the Sleep pots wasting MP because he cant even run with his build! Hilarious
I thought the fire knight greatsword two hit true combo was bad until I came across the swift slash monstrosity
No, that greatsword is still nasty, you can use endure and punish those sheeters swift slash with 2 combos
THE HEAL SAVE AT 21 MINS THOUGH
I wont spoil in case you havent gotten that far but there is a sword in the dlc with a grab attack aow that would have been super useful when he was abusing the ironjar.
name? c:
@@Toccoooo no spoils its late game though
@@Toccooooboss is Midra
@@bullymcdouble6048 Ah, lol
Lmao
On the bright side look at all of this verticality in the map 😃
this wasn't an invasion this was an all out war
2:00 If this ash didn't stagger & went a shorter distance I feel that it would be fair enough to where it could be traded into or countered
Can’t wait for lizard greatsword meta
“My eyes, they’re melting”
Poise tear might be necessary this patch
instead of complaining about over powered thing I'm gonna say: Vedigris talisman really needs buff like shit is just under tuned I fat roll and dont even get to same def as dragon great shield talisman, even over loaded isn't close, the fuck FS?
edit: 17:45 nah wtf no jump needed? rip
kevin talisman 💀
12:00 how did he get FP back
This is why I make room in my build for the new lightning spear incantation. They can dodge the main bolt, but always get hit by the follow up ones for insane damage.
You can just strafe all of it though
question : why do you keep the cinquedea? i'm curious
Because offhand dagger is insanely fast and a reliable finisher,and cinequeda is the best dagger for a str build.
@@Superluminal_30000 ok thanks
Full bull goat too dude is the definition of reliant 😂
What the hell was Fromsoft smoking when they made backhand blade
Actually unreal that you pulled off the win, gg
One time I saw my teammate use some time of aoe bleed throwing dagger it bleed the invader through his swift slash
The legend of Shag just grows and grows !
There is currently 1 dislike on this video and I really hope that it's him
The counter to swift slash is to be at the edge of the range of a charged slash, and use palm blast. Consistently a winning trade for me every time. Also you keep dodging the wrong way. Always dodge AWAY from the slash, not to the left or right, it's far larger an aoe in that regard. Dodging through can also work depending on if you are between the quick and the charged swift slash.
just cause in an open place in 1v1 you can dodge it, it doesnt mean it has any place in the game
@@ungone7133 We've had awful to deal with ashes of war before. But saying it has no counter or refusing to use appropriate counters/not countering it properly is completely on the player. Can you be screwed by the location? Sure. But don't act like that doesn't happen from other ashes of war. Hand of malenia in tight corridors with high poise and resistances results in you getting killed every single time. This doesnt do anywhere near that damage.
HOM will kill in a true combo every single time. All it takes is someone to be spamming attacks at you in a tight space and you're completely cooked by the HOM user too. So let's not sit here and pretend that the base game didn't have bullshit too. Does the ash need to be nerfed? absolutely. But lets not sit here and act like its unbeatable.
Mind to show me how you're using palm blast against swift slash?
telling me to roll away in storehouse is ridiculous on its own but another issue is a hitbox of last sphere that actually moves onwards. You're not dodging it without latency.
@Steelovsky I'm waiting for them to engage in the charge. The moment I see the charge, I charge palmblast.
I sit at the edge of the range, if you're within the quick cast its an entirely different matter, but palmblast can be used against it to some degree as well.
That thing has outrageous superarmor. I've also manual aimed lion's claw onto it.
Dodging the attack is definitely possible if they're doing the charged attack. The charged vacuum slashes dont extend that far forward so a backroll works, so long as they arent getting behind you. If they are, if they're still relatively close though palmblast will hit them in that case as well.
Not that many people are running it on pc, but the ones that do use it spam the ash. But I dont have any clips atm. i'll post them when i come across someone with it again.
I watched 25 minutes of that guy summoning every damn spirit the lands between have to offer for him to die to gravity...
I love elden ring...
Does the mist spells give them build up while they are using the skill? Was thinking you could bait them into Fia’s or Freezing to give them buildup if they just blindly spam it.
We expected no less from Shag... No more, but no less...
I got recked, no chance every time I came across a player spamming this ash
Any link to the prev vids by this ganker ?
Jesus, that was one hell of a fight
You could actually punish swift slash with trolls roar pretty effectively
How do u have so many saves for pvp do u go through the game each time or something else? Just wondering if u use a mule and if so, what mule is safe for pvp?
Most of the PvP content creators make a save on PC use CE to make the build(s) drop x copies of weapons, etc etc then transfer the save to console. Since apparently console has less trash ping issues, and stable frame rate…usually anyway 😅
The only counter to swift slash now is swift slash I guess?
This invasion was insane and amazing, props to you man #peakgaming
5:33 Shagrothz thinking that he is so badass lol, embarrassing
Damn....I didnt expect this of my friend 💀
lol what are you doing here mizu
@@DTGeorge Could ask the same to you 💀? I'm a pacifist so I don't fuck with all the hating streamer shit between each other. I watch for the personalities and that's why you'll catch me watching everyone.
@@Mizuraka4437 same, just wasn't expecting you, that's all.
@@DTGeorge sorry, I don't hate none of the streamers even VZH with the "I'm the best elden ring player". I'm just not gonna agree with him.
@@Mizuraka4437 I agree with you, wasn't trying to be mean or something, I just wasn't expecting you here, it surprised me. I watch all kinds of Elden Ring content creators too
How long until zero skill swift slash gets its values adjusted?
After the next 2 patches and they'll only slightly nerf the damage
I thought there couldn't be a more obnoxious spam in ER, but swift slash might take the cake.
Please use the dancing blades. I don’t have time to play and I want to see if they have any viable cool combos
Can Swift Slash be parried?
yes
Yeah but the timing its so bad, its not reliable
I dont thing that ganker sucks. He is holding is own against him. And very creative. This was the best invasions i have seen yet. Very good on both parts. True he is spamming it but they did put it in the game. You have people that spam stuff all the time. I say have fun with swift slash while you can. We all know they will nerf it. It is a fun ash of war. And a very good gank buster.
Yeah he's like Mungus
Would Law of Causality counter Swift Slash?
What's the ideal max level for PVP after DLC? 200?
150-200 from what I’ve seen.
Why don’t you just use the Carian thrusting shield? I heard that shield is good vs swift slash.
That ash of war is annoying, I fought people like this in colosseum using bow build. The guy just spamming it lol and keeps on landing the hit. It doesn't look like this swift slash ash of war has a counter against it.
This video gave my an aneurysm
The npc healed steel and he didn’t even notice 20:43
I think it’s time now that pvp meta level is 150 if not 200. The dlc is brutal for majority of players
Yes BC what I need to fight instead of a 70 Dex swift slash spammer is a 70 Dex swift slash spammer WITH 40 FAITH TO SPAM PROJECTILES AND HEALS
God no, 125 is the only thing stopping ridiculous hybrid builds from destroying any semblance of balance. This dlc gave everyone infinite Fp, so maybe it’s not a good idea to give every build access to erd tree heal aswell.
Ironjar aromatic users when i pull out Thunderbolt/Lightning spear
Shag is like the new Talal
Im currently on level 200 and im thinking growing to 250 because larval tears are limited , is it good idea in terms of arena/invasions activity ?
Personally I wouldn't level any higher.The tears can be farmed
@@DD-yf2yq from who
@@olosmiterprzybya9131My bad can't be farmed.
i don`t think they can be farmed, but you can always back up your save and return after spending them
Should be fine for invasions I think 125 aand 150 are where people do arena.
you can back up your save in a separate folder to experiment with builds until you are good to finally actually spend one. or just NG+ and get more should be like 12-15 per play.
surpised you didn't nuke hime with something lightning while he was leaded
Big fan! Been a watcher for a while now and this shit was hype as fuck to watch. Great gameplay and satisfying finish!
that one ash of war literally ruined pvp :D
I just insta chainsaw when see reverse grip and broken dlc shit
Damn well played!!
Swift Slash is a badass skill that should 100% be disabled in PvP lol. That was absurd
The cipher rings were the worst idea ever introduced to Elden Ring, you can use them at ANY time meaning that hosts will pussy away till the fun police shows up to make an already unbalanced fight even more miserable if said invader doesn't have any way to deal with it
Jesus what lvl are you so I can avoid this shit
Also, I'm genuinely curious what people think. In the past, it felt like invasions were a bit more forgiving. Like if you'd invade someone with phantoms it felt like you'd end up seeing another invader join shortly after to make it an even match. Am I tripping? Feels like every invasion in this game is a 3 v 1 lol. Normally that's not an issue but when you have spammable ashes like swift slash it gets tired real quick
PVP Gankers. "Swift strike is not that broken quit your crying scrubs."
When eldenring goes anime in its fights
Reddit: "OMG THEY NERFED SKILL SLASH ITS USELESS NOW"
*This Video*
God's strongest invader
I'm staying out of pvp due to that ash of war lol
Wtf was this invasion?! :'D
By the way, shouldn't the lightning bolt ash of war have done the trick vs iron jar potion? (You know, the one, where a lighting strike comes from above and you can basically chain spam it and you can only dodge it with iFrames)
0:22 These people annoy tf out of me and then have the nerve to bow at the end of a Fight………
If I ever come up against this bullshit I’m just toggling on cheat engine. Ridiculous
Peak gaming
I think he was all out of estus and this was a last desperate attempt to win.
Why no parry ?
I think I may have said something bad about you once. I was stupid and I apologize. I'm in awe of your strategy and skill, and just wow man.
Spectuals beat Shagrothz
My baby brother beat Shag
@@Blittsplitt5 it’s on Spectuals channel
Dude, every invasion you use Starlight Shards, they are gifts you got from subscribers, and it's infinite mana if you use it only for low cost ashes of war.