I may sound like a troll but that is not my intent. It would be amiss if I didn't mention that the blessings of the temple (and all blessings) are available retroactively. The power of God you have seen in your life may blossom from a deepened relationship you have with Him in the future. If you prefer perhaps in a future ... millennial temple? That said, there is truth among all churches and people and Latter-day Saints are far more Evangelical that we realize. It is good to feel your fellowship in this and other of your videos. Keep it up
Nope, not surprised by your reaction. I’m glad you had a good experience, and that people were kind and welcoming to you. FYI when I am asked to speak during sacrament meeting, I like to use the scriptures. If I was asked to give a talk on why I believe, that leads to me sharing my own personal story. If they were given a different topic, the talks may have been more scripturally based. Thank you for attending a sacrament meeting and staying for the Elder’s Quorum meeting. I’m glad you had the whole experience. I find it amusing that you said you thought converts might need a vocal try out.😂 We don’t all sing on key all the time, but thank you for thinking that.😂 I do have choir practice tonight for a Temple Worker fireside in a few weeks.😉😁
As far as your reaction goes, I think you did a great and fair summary of the meetings. I think as far as saying others can't feel the power of God, if they haven't made covenants, is not accurate in what we believe. Even the prophets and apostles acknowledge that other churches, both Christian and not, do much of God's work in the world. The difference is just access to the priesthood which is the authority to act in God's name. W
Pastor , if you had went to our LDS Church on the first Sunday of the Month , it would have been Fast and Testimony Sunday , and the members after Sacrament was passed would have Volunteered to bear their testimonies , this is every first Sunday except in April and October ( Semiannual Conference )
Sorry my keyboard froze up there. We believe that those covenants can only be accessed through the priesthood which is why it's important that Joseph Smith restored the church. Sometimes members can be a little confusing about that so that's probably how it was said but it's not really accurate
I'm an athiest, but I went to one a few weeks ago because the missionaries were very kind and I was interested in their convictions and why they believe what to me is very unbelievable. Nicest people I've ever met in a church!
I have great respect for you for trying it out and coming to an LDS service to at least see it for yourself. I have many atheist friends and it's something where I can see their perspective but greatly appreciate when they also see mine.
Hi Jeff, I'm a Bishop in our Ward and I love watching your videos. Interfaith discussion and collaboration should happen more often than it does. Thanks for your respect and attitude in exploring our church. It's refreshing to see.
Hard to tell if he's really being respectful or he has some anterior motive. He's only going to find truth through the holy spirit witness, not by all this work he's doing.
Quick comment: 0:40 you CAN wear a hoodie to church. We have a member who arrives at church straight from his overnight shift (Saturday night), and he simply wears what he wears. Yes, it would be nice to wear a shirt and tie, but there's no requirement and no judging, at least not in my ward. 🙂
While people are encouraged to dress nicely as a show of respect for God, the fact that the person is there is much more important than what they are wearing. So putting on a shirt and tie was certainly a good idea, but you would still have been welcome in a hoodie.
I am Catholic and made the experience of the Latter-day Saint church meeting myself, some years ago, and had the same experience, the hospitality, the good use of time, combining the sacrament meeting with some profound time of formation, with the same attitude to observe, as pastor Jeff. What really amazed me was the way all different ages had specific tasks, I think LDS Church is really good in getting people involved, and giving responsibilities to their community!
Hi Wouter, are you in the Netherlands or Belgium? I saw your name and had to ask because I was a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints there. I enjoyed your comment!
Thank you pastor Jeff. The light of Christ shines from you. I’m of the LDS Faith. I also believe that anyone who is striving to follow Gods commandments is blessed with the miracles in their lives from God. I served an LDS mission and one of the coolest things I experienced was the great faith and miracles that other people had experienced in their lives that were not members of the LDS Faith. I’m so grateful for the love that God has for all of us. It’s unconditional. Thank you for your work. Your devotion to God inspires me.
I’m very curious. I heard something I wanted clarification on because I want to know as a Catholic the beliefs. Mormons believe in Jesus Christ being the son of God, and his only loving son who died and ascended into heaven to sit with the Father or God. But what I’m curious about is how some Mormons don’t believe all Christian’s are Christian’s. In fact some are not even though they also believe in Jesus? Edit: it went as far as they expect to be considered Christian while also not considering others who believe in Jesus, Christian. Also the part about adding another book in the late 1800’s that Smith wrote being later named the Book of Mormon? The story of the Gold plates buried that he found, and I am curious since they are not old if they are still around because time hasn’t ruined it yet. I am seriously not sure and am only speaking what I’ve heard online and at least in my faith everyone, like me, feels you believe in Jesus and don’t plan on sinning you are a Christian.
Since when has Christianity included the book of Mormon (written by Joseph Smith)? Mormonism is critically unchristian. No one goes to hell. You can be someone who never repents, is an atheist etc yet they will go to the telestial kingdom. Um, last I checked, if you live a life separated from God, your fate is hell not the telestial kingdom. The Mormon cult is a rarely new religion. The United States is older than the Mormon church which was founded in the United States by a racist, Joseph Smith, that didn't like blacks. And they expect people to seriously believe that their "church" is the true church?
hello sir ,if i were you just contact our missionary they are willing to teach in basic doctrine in the gospel Jesus Christ be patient bro you will find peace in your heart
@@jayabrera5045 I'm a woman. I've studied The LDS cult for years. What Joseph Smith did was take his own beliefs about the bible and founded this cult known as LDS. It's hard to take your cult seriously. It was founded her in the United States. If you Google who founded the LDS, it will say Joseph Smith, NOT Jesus Christ. It's funny because Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their cult is the "true church" as well. Both y'all follow the white man's religion, no roots to Israel or the apostles, ZERO archeological artifacts connecting LDS and JW to ancient christianity. I can go on and on. Come out of the LDS, brother.
@@rayray.0 Israelites were White, Ancient Greeks were White, Romans were White, Christ was White, Italy was White, Spain was White, France was White, England was White, Russia was White, all the Christian Kingdoms that spread Christianity throughout the whole world over 2000 years were White, and the largest Christian Nations today are still White. Christianity is the White Man's religion. If you believe anything other than that, you are wrong, simple as.
Hey I’m a Mormon. Just wanted to say you are such a cool guy. You do so much good in this world. Thank you for your great heart. God bless you and you children and wife wherever you go.
Mormons are not Christians. They believe in a totally different Jesus than we do. Mormons follow the teachings of Joseph Smith believed about Jesus. No Christian would ever believe that a "church" founded in the United States (NY) by a racist that didn't like blacks, a church that is younger than the United States is the true church. Seriously?
18:41 Jeff, one of the best experiences I had was attending the Lutheran Church, because our ward church building was up on a hill, and we were snowed out. I was a missionary at the time, and so I walked into the church with a name tag on, and people were whispering and very suspicious of our presence there. But we reassure them and the pastor that we would not proselyte in their church, but rather just wanted to worship Jesus Christ with them since our church was canceled. It was a really neat experience to see these peoples faith coming together on such a snowy morning. My grandfather was a Sunday school teacher for his local Lutheran Church. He began reading the book of Mormon, and started teaching passages from the book of Mormon that he liked such as Mosiah chapter 2. The Lutheran minister did not appreciate that. He was teaching from the book of Mormon, and told him that he needed to stop reading from it if he was to continue in their church. My grandfather then said he would not stop reading the passages of goodness from the Book of Mormon and was kicked out of their Church. A year later he was baptized a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. I think the sentiment with most members of the church is that they are willing to go to any religion, even mosques or other non-Christian religions and attend their services, and learn what they can about God. But sometimes other religions are very persecutive to us. For instance, my mom was treated very rudely buy all the kids at school because she was “Mormon”. With that said, I do appreciate that you were trying to break down barriers because we in the religious community needs to stick together in order to combat the powers that be who are trying to take down religious freedom. So thank you for all you do in helping bridge the gaps between our groups. May we be one in Christ that He may win us all 🙏💟
I have attended an Anglican church in the Salt Lake City area several times in the last couple of years. Although they certainly do not agree with the LDS church and hope that members go to their church instead, I have not seen attacks on the Church, at least while I was there, from the church leader.
@@martinsmith8337 The Anglican churches I have been to are in Australia and in Tonga. I should have included "some" before Anglican. I wasn't implying that every single Anglican church has a problem with the LDS.
Hi! Your grandpa experienced reminded me a movie where a pastor found a book without the cover and first pages, he started teaching in his church with it, people treated him really bad and he suffered a lot because of it, years after finally he got to know the missionaries. It is a beautiful movie and is base in real life. I think the movie is called Vicenzo Di Francesca.
This is one of the first times I've heard someone outside of the LDS church compliment the music when they went. So many times the narrative is about how slow the music is played, or how boring it is without a band. But there is something beautiful about congregational singing, and I love that you pointed it out. It's the only thing I miss about the church.
Have you ever listened to Rob Gardner's music? It's truly amazing. Especially he did this concert piece mini musical about the last week of Christ called the Lamb of God. I just love it.
Music of worship is my favorite part of my experience of faith. Singing with testimony in my voice when an especially important phrase is sung, is Testament from the Holy Spirit to my own soul. I can understand if you don't have that opportunity to participate in a congregation it can become amiss in the heart. Take heart, you can sing to God in any instances, in your home, in your room, behind enemy lines, in your head or aloud. I have learned the basics of playing the piano, and I find playing and singing along in my own home brings the Spirit just the same. Sing to God.
As a member and convert to the LDS church, I appreciate how honest and kind you are while exploring our faith. It is nice to see people who will explore our faith in a respectful manner.
I love your channel. I appreciate your authenticity and respect. I grew up with many friends from other Faiths and learned from an early age that we can all love Jesus without agreeing about every point of doctrine. Though I was born into a Latter-day Saint family, I am a convert and love the restored Gospel of JESUS CHRIST. Watching you is refreshing and makes me want to be even kinder and better as I interact with others who may or may not share my same convictions, beliefs or opinions. Thank you for being a true disciple of Christ.
@@--BlueberryFaygo-- Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”? No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ, along with many other Christian denominations, believe in deification or theosis. This is based on the teaching that we can become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17). Though much may be speculated, little is known about the specific details of our potential under this doctrine. Simply reducing it to ruling a planet caricatures a profound and complex belief. The use of the word “planet” makes a generally very good people seem more like sci-fi enthusiasts than devout Christians.
It is interesting I should be reading your comment tonight. Last Sunday, I gave a talk in Sacrament meeting. My topic was Conversion. I am a convert to the Church and so is everyone who is baptized. VConversion is required of all.
“The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things “so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them” (Henry B. Eyring, quoting Spencer W. Kimball, Ensign, October 2002.)
Pastor Jeff, you rock! Week after week as you pursue your ongoing curiosity learning more about Latter-Day Saints, you have plenty of opportunity to potentially trash on "Mormons" ...but every time my defenses start to inch up, you choose not to. Rather, you choose to respect, to understand; you choose to identify similar experiences and situations elsewhere, you choose not to disagree, or you disagree with love. Thank you! Your approach is rare, but very welcome!! Good on you! I also LOVE my fellow brothers & sisters in Christ in other churches!! I love that they're trying to reach higher like me, trying to look up, trying to have hope, and to learn more about and follow Christ. What you are doing unifies rather than segregates believers in Christ. We need more of that throughout the Christian world.
Love your post! Very well worded. I suspect your "defenses start to inch up" because you've been attacked so often by other Christians the second there's even a whiff of a doctrinal difference. But why do they do this? Isn't it good enough that we also try to follow Christ? Why will they be our "brothers" only if we agree doctrinally? Like you, I also love my brothers and sisters of other failts. There's no doctrinal qualifications on that. I wish they would do the same for us. The Christian world needs more unity, especially now.
For what it's worth, I would love to come with you to your church. I served a LDS mission and I made a point to attend many different faiths' services. All churches I attended were quite welcoming to us. It seemed only fair to attend their church if we asked them to attend ours. It's a practice I still continue.
Jeff- another great video. As a Pastor in Utah I am refreshed by how you are building bridges and tactfully disagreeing with doctrinal distinctions while encouraging a massive group of people who matter deeply to Jesus! I’ve been in Utah 20 years and I have tried to approach my friendships with LDS people in a similar manner. We have a different gospel, and we know how important that is, but we also know that loving and respecting are key to having more meaningful conversations about faith, grace, and truth! I love it brother!
That’s awesome of you, trying to do the same thing, especially when there are so many people in Utah that are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Pastor Nate!!! I happen to be one of those, also, but I moved here from California in the 1980’s, and was a little surprised at some of the “church cultural” language ~ for instance, asking new move ins in their neighborhood area if they are a “member” and intending that to mean “member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” and expecting the new neighbor to understand what they are REALLY being asked!😮😅🙂😂 I’m sure that many untrue assumptions have been made on your behalf, and and I’m sure you have been blessed with much patience! Thank you! God bless you for your faith and diligence!
As an endowed, former missionary, BYU graduate, pioneer heritage active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I want to say thank you SO MUCH for this video. I dont know anything else about you, but this 19:28 clip warmed by heart. You sincerely are "endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (Eph 4:3).
how'd you do all that and not totally deconstruct your beliefs in the process?! like honest question, cause like same, except I lost my testimony and can't unsee the trauma my family still carries from my ancestor's coming here in the mid 1800s.
@@anoriginalcreationxI’m the same as Michael, except I’m not a a BYU graduate. Going through all of these experiences (going through the temple, serving a mission, etc) has only strengthened my testimony. Nearly all adult active members of the church have asked the same questions/had the same doubts as disenfranchised/former members have. We just came to the opposite conclusion for whatever reason. I received a strong testimony that the church is absolutely true.
Hey Pastor Jeff!! Wonderful video 😊 I don’t the LDS church has a monopoly on truth, light, or goodness. Only Jesus Christ does. There are so many good people in this world, other amazing Christians, fantastic people of other faiths, and even (especially!!) great people who don’t believe in God at all, and I believe that God works through them to bring about so much good/light/help here on earth. You just read Mosiah, right? “When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God” (Mosiah 2:17). And how do you get to know the Master? You serve Him! Pastor Jeff, through the kindness you radiate, it is so clear that you know Christ. You serve Him for goodness sake! You serve us Latter-day Saints too!! I have been a member of this church for 15 years and I’ve chosen to continue with it because I do believe in the power of covenants and the teaching in the Book of Mormon as it brings me closer to Christ. But that doesn't mean that other people not of my faith can't also get close to God. Yes, Priesthood covenants are important, but the Christ I've read about in the bible never seemed to be a big fan of red tape or burnt offerings in the temple over someone who loves God and their neighbor with all their heart might mind and strength to me. Thank you so much for your goodness and for sharing with us Christlike kindness Pastor Jeff!! Wish you and your family well! (: Edit: I spelled member wrong rip
I agree 💜 I wish somebody would have jumped in with some sense, maybe adding a question to help redirect that discussion when it seemed to become more cultural/incorrect than doctrinal. We do not believe that God only allows covenant makers to recieve grace and power, not at all. God works in many wonderful and mysterious ways. God loves all of his children. God's grace can reach anyone and change anyone at any time. If anything, I wish that covenant makers saw an increase responsibility to love and to see God's hand in the lives of other people who are not like them. Look at it this way, it's most certainly happened that some pastor at some church at some point in time has missed the mark on doctrine, well I'd say that's what happened here. Oh goodness, sometimes the people in the church really live in a bubble, and I do believe it is often to our detriment. I'm hoping that our church can become more loving and more united and let the stuff that's more cultural than doctrinal fall away. I know the time is coming. 💙
Funny, I remember multiple members bearing their testimony, saying "this is the one true church." Same thing all of my church teachers would say, we are the one true church. Have things changed? Is that no longer taught?
@@gigib9190 Good question 🥰 We believe this is the restored New Testament Church. We also believe that Judaism, Islam, etc (the Abrahamic religions) are all fulfillments of the Abrahamic Covenant that in his seed all the nations of the Earth would be blessed. We believe that God loves all His children, so much that He send His son, not to condemn the world, but to save the world. We believe that we can be filled with His pure love if we pray with all the energy of heart. One thing I like to remember is from Corinthians, that charity edifieth, where knowledge puffeth up. A person can share their testimony of the church with a pure motive and with sensitivity to the wonderful things God does in the lives of all His children. Not everyone has learned how to do that yet. I personally look forward to many people in the church being reborn and unified with all people, so that we can prepare for the Savior to return to the Earth, cuz God does not just show His hand in one church. God will work with anyone who will have Him to be their God. That's what matters.
@@gigib9190 And the most important testimony to have is a testimony of the love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So I'd say, a lot of peace can come from just focusing on the things that resonate and letting someone else be right where God wants them to be. Good luck on your journey!!
Dude, you're the goat, I'm a Latter Day Saint and your kindness and respect toward the church is so refreshing.❤ There is so much hate toward the church even within my own family. It's wonderful to see such a Christlike person find common ground and look tounderstandd and learn about other beliefs. You are a great example in spreading kindness instead of hate. I'll be subscribing.
I hear you It seems like the people who have the most hate is thouse who have been married in the temple made promises and turn from it. They become bitter. My self I have Had a hard time to keep motivated to go alone as my 1st husband didn't stay with it after a couple year. My 2nd husband was catholic. There was some abuse, so I left after15-16 years so now I'm back to going a lone again. I was in the same sanario after 1st marriage of 5-1/2 years. It can create social anxiety. psd from dealing with loneliness in the past.
I left the LDS church 23 years ago and attend Protestant services. I have family still active & involved in the LDS faith. Great job being so gracious and kind toward a belief system that is not your own. It can be hard for ANYONE with differing beliefs to show grace and respect on opposing views. You are an example to others in how to bridge culture, & faith based gaps. Well done
I concur - as humans striving to live good, moral lives, we generally have more in common than we have differences. It’s nice to see differences identified in a non-threatening manner. Very well done.
I’m so glad you attended a LDS church service. I would encourage you to attend on a 1st Sunday of the month as well. There is a testimony meeting, where members have the opportunity to bear their testimonies and it is wonderful. Also on the 1st & 3rd Sundays the 2nd hour of church the youth and adults attend Sunday school. And are currently studying the New Testament. I enjoyed your take on the singing. Members of the LDS church start learning songs from as young as 18 months old in Nursery class. Music is a very big part of the LDS religion.
that's the one service I ditch sometimes. Again, it depends on who gets up. There was a surgeon. that was a bishop, and his testimony was very good sometimes a lot of children get up., I guess it a learning process for them...
My husband and I have enjoyed following your videos. We both are converts of 40 plus years. I was a member of the Church of Christ and my husband was a Baptist. The ward you attended, Butler Hill is special to us because I was baptized there and we were married there prior to being married in the Chicago Temple years before the St. Louis temple was built. We now live in Kentucky. I love the quiet reverence during our sacrament service and the sacrament hymn is to bring to mind the reason we partake of it…the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. One thing that concerned me was something you said you heard discussed in class…I hope you will ask one of your LDS member friends to clarify that for you. We look forward to watching future videos and studying the Come Follow Me lessons with you! Thank you for your loving, unbiased opinions of our church! 🥰
Hands down my favorite episode of Hello Saints yet! I’m humbled by Pastor Jeff’s example of kindness, curiosity and honesty. While watching this, I was brought back to a few years ago when we were traveling as a family and couldn’t get to an LDS sacrament meeting on time. It was Palm Sunday and we really wanted to worship the Lord so we attended another denomination’s Sunday Service. Our kids were so rowdy and we were so embarrassed because the rest of the kids were so well-behaved but everyone was sincerely kind and inviting us back! I really appreciated how the pastor had visuals up on the screen of the hymns we were singing and the scriptures he was teaching about-it helped me understand much better what was being taught. During the closing hymn I was bawling, the Spirit and love for the Savior was so pure and strong and I turned to my husband to see that his eyes were flooded with tears too. Maybe it helped that it was a familiar song to us but I loved the connection I felt that day not only to God but to the others in that community. ❤
I'm LDS, and have attended several different churches over the years. It's definitely very interesting to observe, and and participate in their services. I try to keep an open mind, and just remember that as followers of Christ, we're all actually more similar than we are different. I think we're all aiming for the same thing, just each taking a slightly different path to get there. I feel that instead of fighting each other we need to come together to try and make this earthly existence better for us all.
Can I ask you is there salvation outside the LDS Church do you believe that church leaders have been told by God at any time in church history that black men could not hold the priesthood do you believe that Christ Jesus made all things including Satan or anything that was ever made as it says in John chapter 1 do you believe that you can receive salvation without works because as an ex Mormon I know the answers to all these questions but here is the truth we are saved by grace through faith it is not of ourselves but the gift of God and not by works lest any man should boast to the man who worketh not but believeth in him who justifyith the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness the Mormon religion is based on the Mammon system you do for me and I do for you we both get something and we both give something this is not God's way our righteousnesses are filthy rags to God only our faith in the Lord Christ Jesus is counted for righteousness you should answer these questions honestly to see where you are really at if you are honest you will realize that your religion is constantly changing what used to be exactly like the R LDS Church has now become what you are in today and if you can't see that then you're blinding yourself to the truth your church changes with the times and so do the rules it is fraudulent put all your faith and trust in the Lord Christ Jesus his finished work on the cross his death burial and Resurrection on the third day for our justification and what you read about him in the King James version Bible he is not a god he is the only God in Isaiah he says there was no God formed before me and there will be no God formed after me and there is no savior but me is this something that you believe be honest look to God's word in the King James version Bible not man's religion
I am a regular viewer and was formerly LDS. I am always astounded by your objectivity and willingness to gain insight into the LDS church. Your description of your experience was spot on to what I experienced growing up. Thank you.
I'd like to explain a bit about the sacrament. 😊 First thing, the reason why there are some men who pass it on to the congregation is to symbolize service which is a very big thing in the church. Second thing, the reason for the water instead of wine impressed me a lot when I understood it for the first time. I used to think that it's just because we don't consume alcohol but it's actually based on John 4:14 "the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life". "The water that I shall give him" is the blood the he shed when he suffered for our sins and when he died on the cross. But through his resurrection, the blood of death that he shed turned into "a well of water springing up into everlasting life" because thanks to his resurrection, we will also be resurrected after death and live forever. Another symbolism is repentance. Thanks to his Atonement we can repent (apologizing for what we did wrong in prayer to God and asking for forgiveness) and receive forgiveness for our sins or in other words be made clean. Isaiah 1:18 "though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool". I hope that my explanation was helpful. 😉
There is a historical precedent, as well. Doctrine and Covenants 27 records that Joseph Smith encountered an angelic messenger while out to obtain wine for the sacrament. The messenger commanded him not to purchase wine from people who were enemies of the church, but to only use wine if they had made it themselves. (The exact reason isn't stated. Was there concern that it might be poisoned? Or simply that giving money to people who persecute them is disadvantageous?) This same messenger also said that the PURPOSE for which the sacrament was being taken was what was important, and that what was actually consumed did not matter. The "Word of Wisdom," which asks members of the Church to refrain from alcohol came about later, but at the time it was issued, it was considered a recommendation rather than a commandment. It was early in the twentieth century that Latter-day Saints were asked to abstain completely from alcoholic beverages, and the shift to water instead of wine was made. Water also happens to be more practical, as it is inexpensive and easily obtained.
You know what happens when you go to an LDS church wearing jeans and a hoodie? They welcome you anyway. Yeah, suits and dresses are the norm, but we'd rather have you there than not. I showed up to church last week in a hoodie because I had to leave early to be somewhere. It's not a big deal. I'm also in the St Louis area.
Yeah, I've been to wards where many members were wearing work clothes because they were either using church as their lunch break or would have to report to work right away. Blue collar towns can be like that. When I was in that position, I kept some nicer work clothes set aside for the sabbath in case I could find the time to attend church. Nobody wants the stink of crude oil during worship services.
Right, it's not that there's a dress code for church - it's simply that we're encouraged to wear our Sunday best to show an outward respect for the Lord, inparticularly for when the sacrament is administered and recieved. There were times I found myself without my Sunday clothes or shoes and went with the best I had and that was acceptable because I went and it's really about my relationship with God.
@@arlenefisher1164 That's unfortunate. I've never seen that anywhere. But I've also spent little time in Utah. That's not what we teach. Reminds me of some of the scenes in the movie Mobsters and Mormons.
@@arlenefisher1164 That's sad. Whoever asked them to leave wasn't following our beliefs. When we see people who look different, we should be even more welcoming to them.
As one who prepares the sacrament I appreciate so much how you try and understand The LDS Church on TH-cam all the big influencers on TH-cam who get into the subject about religion when they get to the topic about ( Mormons ) they usually talk to those who have left the church and not getting view of those who are in the church. So just thank you so much I enjoy watching your videos about the LDS church even though I’m already a very faithful member 👍🏽😂
Loved this video and your honesty about the class you attended. I’m a lifelong member of the church and I find myself cringing when we talk amongst ourselves as if there is not truth or God’s power found among His children of different faith traditions. I’ve been trying to use more precise language when sharing my beliefs because of the way the general ‘jargon’ of our LDS culture can sound to others, even when our comments are well intentioned. So thank you for bringing this up! And thanks for taking us on this journey with you. So interesting to see things through your eyes.
This comment was right on the nose for me. I also grew up in the church and had the exact same experience. Like, I think people don't realize how that they're saying will sound to someone who doesn't have a shared terminology or a shared context, and often say things that aren't 100% true but other people in the church sort of know what they mean so they all move on. It's a travesty that members of the church don't pursue more clarity of language like you do. Just my experience.
As a Latter-day Saint, I have to say that I have loved every experience I have had of going to services of other congregations. I love to see what similarities we share with other faiths and where we differ, it's so interesting. Thanks for your positive and supportive channel.
You are doing really great work. You’re showing the right way that people with differing beliefs should interact with each other. Not with hostility or with criticism, but with open arms and finding common ground
This is fascinating. I only hear about the church from the ex Mormon community/apostates. Not the best way to learn. My father was a Lutheran Pastor but he never explained the LDS church to me. Thank you for this look at the church.
There are definitely bitter ex Mormons who find it difficult to be objective when talking about things that have impacted them, but I'd argue i that talking to ex Mormons in general is the best way to learn! They've been through it all, studied the doctrine, lived it and put it to the test, learned truths about the church that members are prevented from knowing, escaped indoctrination, and come out the other side with a perspective that believing members don't have.
@IamCree, I respectfully disagree. What is often true of disaffected former members of my LDS faith is that instead of putting their energies into positivity about what they’ve moved on to instead, they’re often instead trying to bring other LDS members down with them. And as a convert to the LDS faith of many years, myself, I have never felt indoctrinated…only enriched and enlightened by my fellow LDS members, be they leaders or not. The LDS people in my life in every state and city in which I have lived have been among the most educated, intelligent, refined, positive, and respectful people I could ever hope to have in my life!-albeit very human with the foibles and weaknesses of humankind. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
Greg Id love to help connect you to members or missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday Saints that live near you to learn more that way too. Let me know. I love what Jeff is doing here too. We need Christ and all those that do believe in Christ will need to work together well in these last days.
I also respectfully disagree with your take. The LDS church is not indoctrination. No one is forced to be a member, nor are non-members (or people that leave the church), members who are inactive, or anyone else "shunned" by members of the church. Also, LDS members are not "punished" for engaging in social media (including TH-cam) nor are they "punished" for reading anything they want, even if it is critical of the church. People who are ex-members/apostates that are driven to publicly and vociferously tear down the LDS Church are clearly being influenced by Satan. I have went through many times of being inactive and my mother, the missionaries, and other members reach out to welcome me to Church. However, I have never been told that my mother won't speak to me again if I don't go back.
@@hollyprice4351 HP I’m not sure who you’re replying to but I didn’t say anything about indoctrinating nor did I say anything about social media or shunning. I didn’t see but one comment about indoctrination. What you describe here sound though you’re comparing the LDS Church with Jehovah’s Witnesses.
“What Sunday is it again?” - “which door do I go in?” - so relatable. The way you describe it is pretty much how it is. It’s fun to hear it from a new set of eyes. Thanks for this video. ❤
I am a member of this church and just want to thank you for your sincere respect and interest in understanding our faith. Thank you for speaking of us with so much kindness. Love your videos. God bless! ❤
I am a Latter-Day Saint, and I truly respect the fact that though you may not believe what we believe, you have remained respectful and humble. I believe this is why you have won so many Latter-Day Saint followers. Keep up the great work. We need more Inter-Christian/Inter-faith discussion that is respectful.
Your kindness is important but greatful to hear the truth. I am Christian and love the LDS. I pray always for everyone. Thats all I know what to do. I have studied the LDS faith and see our differences have many questions. Thanks for sharing
I'm 60 years old and the more I learn about the gospel of Jesus Christ the more I learn how little I know. And I know there is nobody in the church that knows everything because there is so so much to learn. But let me share with you this that I receive my own revelation when I have personal study pondering over my questions and this only strengthen my testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
As Latter-Day Saints, taking the sacrament is indeed the focus of Sacrament Meeting (our main church service on Sundays). We never have music playing as we take the sacrament because it's meant to be a quiet, reverent time of reflection. You are not supposed to even whisper at this time, but of course you will always hear small children wiggling around etc
I honestly stumbled upon your channel by accident. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, it has been interesting to see your perspective. Thank you for your open-mindedness kindness and positivity as you learn more about what we believe. We don't often get treated this way and media representation by those not of our faith. ❤️
My name is James, I’m LDS, I enjoy your channel . Super cool that you had a positive experience attending an LDS Sunday. It sounds like you attended Elder’s Quorum. I truly know that no one church or religion has a monopoly on truth. The beauty of what your adventure represents is that, in my opinion. We are all God’s children and I believe that he is aware of us and wants us to learn and grow. Trying to learn about Christ and be more like him is one of the most important things we need to do regardless of how we do that. Obviously there are differences, but if we can embrace those differences and help each other navigate the trials of mortal life, I believe it would be much easier vs. arguing about who is right and who is wrong. So thank you.
I admire what you are doing. How you are going about it. I am a convert to the LDS church. I was raised Catholic and when a youth went to various Christian churches. I feel those experiences set a good foundation for my belief in God and Jesus Christ. My wife has a very good friend who belongs to the Church of Christ. When we visit her we attend her church. When she visits us she attends our church. I know we have differences in how we worship and believe but in the big picture I believe in a Loving God who is not limited by doctrinal differences and will judge us individually and grant more mercy than we can even imagine. Yes we believe the ordinances, covenants and power to administer are within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but it would be foolish to say God doesn’t bless anyone who is striving to live a life of discipleship in following Jesus Christ. He is a loving God and bless’s all who worship him according to their faith and knowledge. If indeed the ordinances are critical we profess then he will make them available to all. That is why we build temples. I know without a doubt there will be many surprises of who is in Heaven. For are we not all sinners. All shall confess Jesus is the Christ before final judgement. And thank goodness God is that judge.
What a beautiful mission brother. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ. I feel there is too much outside our collective churches that we should all be confronting that we should not be at odds with each other. You are showing us a fantastic example of how this can be done. The Lord will bless you, your congregation and your extended congregation for your caring demeanor.
I've heard that the LDS doesn't believe in the resurrection and believes that Jesus was just another prophet. Plus some dude wrote his own holy book. Beyond that, you're right. If there is some way that they truly believe in Jesus, redemption, and the resurrection, then the rest of the details maybe don't matter. You're right that overall labels shouldn't matter.
@@davidm4566 we believe that Jesus Christ was the only begotten son of god and resurrected allowing all mankind to partake in that resurrection. We do believe that there was another testament of Jesus Christ that is called the Book of Mormon. We believe the Bible is the old and New Testament of Jesus Christ.
@@davidm4566 most likely the same credibility that you give to the Bible, that it is God's word given to his children for their benefit through His prophets and apostles. More specifically, rather than a "sequel" it is another testament of Jesus Christ. I hope that helps, brother!
In the past I have only watched portions of your show but I felt inspired to watch this episode and I was touched by what I saw. The lord works through you and that is the best compliment I could give . Keep it up - please !
You might be surprised and maybe uncomfortable to meet strangers who feel they already know you and love you. I’m sure you’d have someone approach you at any ward you attend. You are doing an amazing job!
Pastor Jeff. I so look forward to your videos. You are a true friend to the LDS members. I loved your summary of our Sunday Services and felt I could not have done a better job myself than you did. It felt sincere and from the heart. And you're right about the singing, it's like everyone was born knowing they were an alto, tenor , soprano, or bass and they instinctively could sing their parts. I'm not one of those so I just sit between those who are and let them drown me out. Thank you for being you. I would attend your congregation, knowing you would welcome me and my family anytime.
Hey Jeff I just discovered your channel a couple of months ago, and have really enjoyed your videos. I am apart of the LDS church and I am about to serve a two year mission soon. Your videos have really given me a greater point of view on my own church that I never had before. I can’t wait to share my knowledge to others. Thank you for what you have been doing! You are spreading a greater awareness to not only the lds church, but other religions as well, and I am just very inspired by it!
Happy Sabbath Pastor Jeff! One thing that stood out to me was when you described the talks given by the members today as opposed to a normal evangelical sermon. There are also talks given where the member will expound more of their points with scriptural back up and reading from the scriptures. Looks like you landed on a day that wasn’t a Sunday school day… where they discuss the “come follow me” study guide.
I sure love you, Pastor Jeff! You’re so cool! Thank you for being respectful, kind and loving to “us Mormons” despite our differences. Our similarities are that we love and follow the one and only Jesus! What a blessing you have been to bring our religious closer together! ❤❤❤
Honest and sincere question, do LDS folks today generally worship and follow Jesus as the one who is the one and only God, Yahweh, who was never physically or spiritually created because he has always ruled as the triune God outside of time and space? Or do you believe in Jesus (named Jehovah) the first created in spirit of the resurrected Elohim/Heavenly Father? Or do you and most LDS people you know have a different view of Jesus than either of those? I know each LDS person has a unique perspective, so I don’t want to assume you hold to view 1 or 2. But I am genuinely confused when I hear LDS individuals say they believe in the “same Jesus” but they actually imagine a unique Jesus from the one that mainstream Christianity worships. I almost feel like there are two Jesuses who look like fraternal twins-almost but not identical, and the LDS faith holds to one and mainstream Christianity holds to the other. On close examination they are different but they seem somewhat a like on basics.
@@le7262 replied, "Honest and sincere question, do LDS folks today generally worship and follow Jesus as the one who is the one and only God, Yahweh, who was never physically or spiritually created because he has always ruled as the triune God outside of time and space? Or do you believe in Jesus (named Jehovah) the first created in spirit of the resurrected Elohim/Heavenly Father? Or do you and most LDS people you know have a different view of Jesus than either of those? I know each LDS person has a unique perspective, so I don’t want to assume you hold to view 1 or 2. But I am genuinely confused when I hear LDS individuals say they believe in the “same Jesus” but they actually imagine a unique Jesus from the one that mainstream Christianity worships. I almost feel like there are two Jesuses who look like fraternal twins-almost but not identical, and the LDS faith holds to one and mainstream Christianity holds to the other. On close examination they are different but they seem somewhat a like on basics." LE, I'm not aware of a scriptural description of God that we don't believe; If you'd like to give some examples, I'd be open to discussing them. I am aware of statements from the Nicene creed that don't mesh well with the Holy Bible (Is "trinity" or "triune" in the Bible?). Overall, I am very unfamiliar with various theories of what God is to mainstream Christianity--I only study the scriptures, and so I find myself much more closely aligned with scriptural descriptions of Jesus Christ. I really couldn't answer your question other than to say I believe in Jesus Christ as found in scripture.
Love it! I'm LDS, and I have gone to an evangelical church several times, here in my town. I loved it! I love the energy the band brought to the service. I listen to Christian music so I was able to sing the songs. I'm glad it was a positive experience for you! You are so awesome! Love your channel.🙏
Another well done video again as a Catholic Christian your incites and points reinforced my beliefs and the importance of reaching out to other Christians. Very thoughtful 👏 thank you!
As a member and convert to LDS I am delighted to watch your channel and openness to learning and experiencing. This faith has changed my life and so many ways and the love of Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father. Amen
Your car totally fit right in in the parking lot. Loved that you sported the car seat in the back seat behind you. The cool thing is that I don't think you planned that... its just how ya roll on a Sunday morning. Loved it!
Thank you for visiting our church Jeff! I am glad you felt welcomed. In response to your statement regarding our Sacrament itself, there is no message given during the administration of the Sacrament because the message is in the ordinance itself; We partake of the Sacrament to renew our baptismal covenants; so our thoughts while doing it each week are on those covenants, on the Savior and His sacrifice for us. Did they not have a youth speaker that week? Sometimes during the meeting, along with a couple adult speakers, we get the chance to hear from one of our youth; someone from 11-18yo either young man or woman, and they will give a usually 5 minute talk as well. And yes, sometimes our Bishop will speak, but generally it is the members of the congregation that teach each other, the Bishop and his counselors (since he was gone when you visited, one of his counselors was presiding) just preside over the meeting.
Thanks for doing this :) This episode reminded me a lot of David Boice and his 52 churches in 52 weeks channel. I am a fan of both of you guys, and I really admire what you're doing :) As a Latter-day Saint, I think you are doing God's work and that you are in a great position to help improve the relationship and understanding between the various faiths, not just between the Latter-day Saints and your protestant faith. I think there are some people that can do God's work best where they are at, and that includes you and other like-minded folks such as Dallas Jenkins, who I am also a big fan of. Both of you are helping considerably to improve the love and understanding between the different Christian faiths around the world. Cheers :)
What a wonderful video and honest assessment of our faith and our sacrament meetings. I am an ordained bishop in the church but my tenure ended after about 6 years of service and a new bishop was called to serve in our ward. We remain ordained bishops after we are released from active service, but are inactive in our priesthood office. Your channel is such a refreshing thing to see in a world where it seems fashionable to tear down and focus on differences rather than similarities. I too have visited other congregations of Christian denominations and find them beautiful and sincere in their worship of our Savior and Heavenly Father. As the scripture states where two or more are gathered in His name there He is also. Thanks again. You have a new subscriber.
Again, I continue to appreciate the respect you show toward others that are striving to follow Christ. That meeting you went to after the Sacrament meeting was a Priesthood quorum meeting (Elders Quorum). Two weeks of the month, we hold Sunday School, which breaks down by age groups, with all adults that aren't called as teachers or other capacities in the Ward would attend together. The other two Sundays, Priesthood Quorums meet together, the Young Women groups meet together, and the Relief Society (adult women) meet together. In the case of a fifth Sunday, we hold a combined Sunday School under the direction of the Bishop. As you experienced during Sacrament Meeting, members from the ward are asked by someone from the Bishopric (the person conducting when you attended was one of the Bishops Counselors - of which he has two) to speak on a topic. While asked to reference scripture, sometimes speakers do offer more personal testimony than verses. The Bishop and his Counselors rotate who is conducting from month to month, but the Bishop (unless he is not in attendance) always presides. The Bishop and his counselors aren't often the ones who speak during Sacrament. The idea is that members instruct and teach each other, while the Bishop's main role is to look after the spiritual needs fairly directly as he meets with them and oversee the general instruction in Sacrament, Sunday School, and other meetings within the ward. I love hearing testimonies from various fellow members on different gospel doctrines throughout the year as they're invited to speak. Thank you for your effort to better understand those who are part of the LDS faith. I know I enjoyed attending various churches while I served an LDS mission in Germany. It's amazing to connect with others in our love for the Saviour.
LDS member here, one of my favorite parts is the singing during Sunday worship. It sounds so beautifully when we all sing together. I’m so glad you felt welcomed when you attended the ward. It’s been fun following you along this journey. Thanks for your honest and raw impressions. Blessings to you and your family.
Another great episode! I agree 100% that you do NOT need to be a Latter-day Saint to see God's power in your life. I have had the opportunity to work closely w many of the local pastors and church leaders in our area and I have seen miracles occur from their faith in Christ. I think the idea that our Church has to do all the important work in these last days is incorrect. President Oaks talked about this in his talk in October 2022 conference. I am so grateful for my friendships outside my church because I feel the "team" that Jesus is using to build His Kingdom is so much bigger than I expected. It is so interesting to see how I can be wrong and the true answer given by the Lord is so wonderful, that I don't mind being wrong. My friends outside my church have taught me so much that they have learned from the Savior. I think the main issue in President Nelson's talk is that we are unable to do what is required of us on our own power. We need to rely upon the Lord's power to do anything meaningful. Yoked to the Savior, we can change the world and prepare ourselves for the Second Coming of the Lord. I think He will clarify the doctrinal details, but He will be much more interested in our response when He asks us, like Peter, "Lovest thou me?" The Covenants that we all make with Christ help us to do this.
I really feel like God has called you to bridge the gap between Christian Churches. You’re doing an amazing job! Side note: I can see how a little music could help during the passing of the sacrament. Next step: attend a baptism.
The main reason is that they don't believe the basis of the gospel. They believe in grace after all you can do, which isn't the gospel. God gives His grace freely, He doesn't "make up" for the works or areas we failed. We don't work for salvation, it's a gift of God we receive by faith and nothing else. There is also the matter that they believe the true gospel died after the apostles and it took until the 1800s for the "true" gospel to be revived... meaning everyone between the deaths of the apostles and early church church 1800 that everyone that died in that time frame went to Hell since they didn't know the "true" gospel... using a verse out of context in Amos as a justication for this.
What you are doing is so intensely beautiful. Thank you for promoting such open hearted kindness and being a champion for connection. I see the Lord working through you.
Nothing but love for you Pastor Jeff. You're a good man and I have so much respect for what you're doing here. Building bridges of respect and understanding, particularly among people of faith, is so important in today's world.
Those young men offering the prayers over the bread and water were the ones presiding over it. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has two "classes" of priesthood - the Aaronic (lower) priesthood which “holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism” (D&C 13:1) and is responsible for calling people onto Christ and meeting their physical needs. Through the exercise of this priesthood, the sacrament is prepared, blessed, and administered. The Melchizedek Priesthood is the higher priesthood, which is responsible for spiritual matters, including Temple work. The Aaronic priesthood can be conferred from the age of 12, but the Melchizedek generally requires someone to be an adult, and to be of sufficient spiritual maturity.
In addition, it might be good to mention that we have an environment of silence for the sacrament, no music or scripture reading from the pulpit etc, as to keep distractions to minimum, so people can focus on repentance and the savior in a more personal fashion.
I am curious what your church congregation and your wife think of you exploring our faith? I would love for you to discuss that a little bit in one of your videos. Thanks!
I so love your videos. Each time I watch one, My Testimony and understanding of my beliefs as a Latter-day Saint are strengthens. Thank you so much for your honest perspectives.
Hey Pastor, Last year you came out to General Conference here in Salt Lake City. April 1 and April 2, Saturday and Sunday it is happening again. You should come out and experience it again and not be so rushed this time.
That statement about not having access to God’s power, at least the way you heard and explained it, may have been misunderstood. Of course anyone who seeks for God’s help, may have access to it. The Spirit or the Light of Christ is available to everyone who sincerely seeks and asks for it. If that were not the case, then how else could anyone know right from wrong, or truth when they hear it? I believe what that brother was referring to is the fact that as we make and keep sacred covenants, we are promised certain blessings here on earth and in the life hereafter. One of those blessings was stated in the Sacrament prayers. If we keep the covenants we made by partaking of the Sacrament, we would have the Holy Ghost to be with us. All of the Covenants we make are followed up with a promise and/or a blessing. I hope that makes sense and helps you understand a bit more clearly. And although I don’t go to Priesthood meetings, I know how we long life members can sound sometimes. Sorry on behalf of that.
Glad you had an overall good experience. We care about the worship experiences of others. It’s always good for the membership of any church to hear how they can support visitors and represent Christ as much as possible. We love you Pastor Jeff and family! I’d credit any singing success you witnessed with “practice makes nearly perfect” and we do sing a lot. Lol. I guarantee that all singing abilities sing in our congregations! Good times.
Hello! I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and stumbled across your channel. I have watched several of your videos and I just want to say I appreciate your openness and willingness to seek and learn. You have such a nice disposition and a calm and respectful manner. That really means A LOT. I recognize that many or most Christian denominations do not always understand what we are about and say we are not even Christian. Obviously some of our doctrines do not fully align and there are differences. However we believe in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice which was made for each and every one of us, no matter what we might believe . Ultimately, we are all children of a loving God no matter what church we go to ( or no church at all). God loves all of us. We all are on different points along our journeys and learn and grow through our individual experiences. I love that although some of your beliefs do not align with ours, you continue to be respectful and that is SO important. It makes me SO happy to meet snd learn about others who are just trying to do what is right and live a life of goodness, honestly, integrity, kindness, etc. Ir makes me SO SO happy to meet people who are devout in their religion. I feel a connection and respect towards them. Thank you for being a good example and representative of your Protestant faith and also showing respect to us. We are all from the same God and I think in these days where we continue to have tough times in our world, it is of critical importance for all those seeking goodness and godliness support one another. I just wanted to mention you said something along the lines of Latter-day Saints believe that only we have access to the power of God. That is not exactly true. It’s a little tricky to explain. We believe every person born is born with the Light of Christ. aWe all can be influenced by the Spirit and receive inspiration. The people speaking in sacrament usually are given a topic with scripture references that they study for a week or two before giving their talks. The reason there is no music while the sacrament is being passed is because it is intended as a time of quiet reflection. A time for prayer ( quietly in ones own head), a time to review our week and see what we could improve on. It’s a time for each individual to contemplate their own relationship with Jesus Christ. It is a time to start again with a clean slate so to speak. It’s quiet so people can have the mental and spiritual space to look at their own lives and how they can become more like Jesus Christ Our sacrament meetings are intended to be a place of inner searching, renewing commitments to follow Jesus . It is meant as a time of quiet reverence, worship, respect, self-reflection, etc., And, for some reason there are lots of musically talented individuals in our church. But I do not sing well at all but it’s ok because singing the hymns is another form of worship. I often feel the spirit as I sing the hymns at church. Anyways, I think you are great and I am glad you are a pastor and have the ability to influence and touch the lives of others and help people to follow the Savior. Thanks for all you do.
The thing that really grabbed my attention is when you said that their hearts and minds was open, they was down to earth and just wanted to do their best in worshipping the lord. That right there is the best explanation you can give of the people in the lds faith, and I personally believe that of other people in other faiths that have a legitimate desire for God. I am LDS, I haven't gone in a long time because of health and crowds. I do miss it. I have had a mindset myself that the ordinances are not the actual thing that does everything they are described to do, but they are at the same time. Ultimately it's all God and his power period, but with that being said I still believe they are necessary. I look at them has our personal sacrifice unto God or us carrying our own personal cross / carrying Jesus cross with him. In short giving away our earthly / fallen ways to take upon ourselves the name of Jesus. That's the same way with the priesthood for me. Do I believe the priesthood is legitimate? Yes, but the power comes from God himself. I don't believe everything has to be done a certain way or be a perfectly upstanding person in order for anyone to see the power or love of God. 99% of the people in the Bible was sinners to a high degree that God saved them from themselves and made into great people. I never agreed that you had to do everything perfectly in order for God to be in your life. A father doesn't stop being a father just because his children are misbehaving. A father doesn't abandon his children and stop providing for them when the child isn't doing everything perfect. That kind of mindset only brings shame and future dark paths. Keep doing what your doing pastor, I look forward to your videos.
I'm sorry about the comments in class!🙈 That made me cringe; I'm LDS and was kind of wondering during your video if something like that would happen. All I can say is that the power and love of God is for everyone and is experienced by people of all faiths. We're all doing our best to learn and don't always express ourselves well or understand things thoroughly. Since we can all speak up in class and discuss things together sometimes it veers off into people's opinions or best interpretations of doctrine. When I really want to make sure I know what the church's actual doctrine is I read the scriptures, Come Follow Me, or a conference talk. It's not always explained 100% at church. But I go to church to take the sacrament, and I think it's good for all of us to go there and worship together. I've probably said things in a cringy way when I've given talks so I can't really criticize, but as soon as you started talking about the discussion in class I was cracking up / embarrassed. But we're all doing our best!😁
That was really fun to watch! I was definitely surprised to go to a nondenominational church once coming from the Church of Jesus Christ, so I have a lot of empathy for that new experience. I also would love to come to church with you all. I we live in Missouri too, and we are excited for the Bentonville Arkansas Temple open house, which you could come and see!❤️
I served my LDS mission in the Chicago area (28 years ago). We were invited on many occasions to preach the gospel in Baptist churches. It was great to share the Word of God. What a great experience.
I can appreciate your wise and kind comments on the Church. You have a very good memory to remember things so specifically. I will say, the one thing that may have been missed are the opening and closing prayers that are given during every meeting within the Church. I'm you enjoyed the meetings, and appreciate your willingness to learn. I will say though, every individual who believes and loves The Lord and has His Spirit with them, has as much opportunity to self revelation and gifts from our Heavenly Father as any member of the Church. You don't have to be a member to be close to Our Father, because He loves all of us equally, member or not.
You looked sharp. Glad the sun was shining. I had to walk through 4 inches of snow to get to church today. So happy you went, and I enjoyed your recap. Yes...a special thanks to your wife and kids for sharing you with us.
howdy wade . you and another comment referred to the pastor's wife and kids also sharing their experiences . where did you find his wife/kids comments , or am i reading too literally into your(s) comments .
@@johndouglasdahl It wasn't that Pastor Jeff's wife and kids shared their experiences with us, but rather they shared Pastor Jeff with us. In other words, they sacrificed their time with Pastor Jeff so that he could attend the LDS services and post for us a video about his experience.
I love this! Thank you for coming to our church! I wish more people would come and see for themselves that we are a group of imperfect people who love Jesus Christ, that we go to church to worship Him and are trying to follow His example. I love visiting other churches as well and also talking to people about what they believe. I've learned from and been inspired by people from other faiths. This was a very well done and respectful video.
Hi Jeff! I want to thank you for your openness to what you’re learning and your truly fair interpretation of what you are learning. As you conduct your investigation of the Church, I would invite you to add one extra step to your investigation and search not just to expand your understanding, but, more importantly, to learn for yourself if it’s true, which really would be the most valuable knowledge you could gain throughout this whole process. I actually wanted to make one comment. You mentioned that during the second hour meeting you heard commentary that one would only have access to God’s power if temple covenant are made. In truth, as you accurately stated, God’s power and influence is available to all. No one faith or religion has a monopoly on it and all have access to it. It is through that power that we can all learn the truth of all things. We refer to that as the Light of Christ, and it is available to all! To receive higher, and constant, access to the power and influence of God, however, requires us to make covenants with God. For example, the first covenant we make in the church is through the ordinance of Baptism and the receiving of the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Through baptism (by one having authority), we covenant with God that we will take upon us the name of Jesus Christ, to always remember him and keep his commandments. In return, the Lord covenants with us that we will always have his spirit to be with us, which is having the constant presence and influence of the Holy Ghost in our life (see Book of Mormon, Mosiah 18:8-10). After Baptism, we receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost (also by one having authority). It is only through the power and influence of the Holy Ghost that one can receive a personal witness of the divinity of Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, or, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is what we (boldly) proclaim it to be: the true church of Jesus Christ on the earth today. Or, in other words, it is only through the Holy Ghost that we can learn the truth of all things. We never ask anyone to just take our word for it nor will we ever try to to convince anyone of it…because we can’t. It doesn’t work that way. Conversion, or testimony, is a personal experience that happens only between you and God. What we can do is teach, bare witness (or testimony) and we can (and do! 😊) invite all to learn for themselves. Anyway, I think the point that was meant to be conveyed in the meeting was that covenants are necessary to open up the windows of heaven beyond what can be attained without them. I hope that helps clarify. Again, I appreciate the honest and unbiased exploration you’re taking in your journey. It really is refreshing to see people learn and investigate without predetermined conclusions or biases. I hope you keep looking and learning! Thanks!
I am so grateful for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! The feelings I have received and get from hearing talks and testimonies in sacrament meetings and other church classes have helped me to be a better person! The church is true! The spirit has born witness to me so many times in so many different settings I cannot ignore those feelings!!
Pastor Jeff thank you for being so kind and honest about your personal experiences and thoughts. I’d also like to add, your Come Follow Me videos are very helpful for my personal study! Love hearing the scriptures from your personal & educated viewpoints. Hope you and your family have a blessed week.
I wish more people were open minded like you. I searched for a church for a long time went to many different denominations and ended up as a latter-day Saint. I totally respect your journey and your videos and channel for what you’re doing. At least it may dispel a lot of myths that people might have. I liked and I subscribed.
Thanks so much for making this video! I’m a convert to the church and it reminded me of what I thought and felt my first time, attending Sacrament. Very different than what I was used to. I truly appreciate you going in with an open heart and mind and sharing your experience with your audience. This could do so much to dispel the misconceptions many have of what our faith is all about.
This is the first of your youtube videos I have seen and as a member of the LDS church, I love your very Christian approach to promote understanding, collaboration and kindness among the various Christian faiths. As followers of Christ, we have so much understanding and opportunity to bless and serve our respective communities and I think you are contributing in an awesome way! Thank you!
I love your videos! It's so refreshing to hear someone talk about the LDS Church without negativity. The non-judgmental approach when explaining your experiences is the reason I continue to watch your videos. A little kindness goes a long way ❤️
I am "LDS" and I want to thank you for making such a friendly and kind video. What a great service you are doing to connect Christians together! I liked your perspective and I felt you were honest and tactful about how you felt.
I love sitting in a congregation when everyone is singing together. I think it's very powerful. I do have some holy envy for protestants who have high church worship and of Catholic mass. I wish we listened to professional speakers/teachers sometimes, though I see the value in everyone from the congregation participating and having opportunities to bear testimony.
Thank you Pastor Jeff for your videos. I am a lifelong member of the LDS church. I really enjoy learning more about your beliefs and learning more about other churches. God has truly blessed you.
Just wanted to let you know that your TH-cam channel is currently my favorite TH-cam channel. I really appreciate your open-mindedness and I enjoy learning from your perspective on things. I'm looking forward to more great videos!
I finally went to a Sunday morning Latter-day Saint church meeting! Did anything surprise you about my reaction?
I may sound like a troll but that is not my intent. It would be amiss if I didn't mention that the blessings of the temple (and all blessings) are available retroactively. The power of God you have seen in your life may blossom from a deepened relationship you have with Him in the future. If you prefer perhaps in a future ... millennial temple? That said, there is truth among all churches and people and Latter-day Saints are far more Evangelical that we realize. It is good to feel your fellowship in this and other of your videos. Keep it up
Nope, not surprised by your reaction.
I’m glad you had a good experience, and that people were kind and welcoming to you.
FYI when I am asked to speak during sacrament meeting, I like to use the scriptures. If I was asked to give a talk on why I believe, that leads to me sharing my own personal story. If they were given a different topic, the talks may have been more scripturally based.
Thank you for attending a sacrament meeting and staying for the Elder’s Quorum meeting. I’m glad you had the whole experience.
I find it amusing that you said you thought converts might need a vocal try out.😂 We don’t all sing on key all the time, but thank you for thinking that.😂
I do have choir practice tonight for a Temple Worker fireside in a few weeks.😉😁
As far as your reaction goes, I think you did a great and fair summary of the meetings. I think as far as saying others can't feel the power of God, if they haven't made covenants, is not accurate in what we believe. Even the prophets and apostles acknowledge that other churches, both Christian and not, do much of God's work in the world. The difference is just access to the priesthood which is the authority to act in God's name. W
Pastor , if you had went to our LDS Church on the first Sunday of the Month , it would have been Fast and Testimony Sunday , and the members after Sacrament was passed would have Volunteered to bear their testimonies , this is every first Sunday except in April and October ( Semiannual Conference )
Sorry my keyboard froze up there. We believe that those covenants can only be accessed through the priesthood which is why it's important that Joseph Smith restored the church. Sometimes members can be a little confusing about that so that's probably how it was said but it's not really accurate
I'm an athiest, but I went to one a few weeks ago because the missionaries were very kind and I was interested in their convictions and why they believe what to me is very unbelievable. Nicest people I've ever met in a church!
I have great respect for you for trying it out and coming to an LDS service to at least see it for yourself. I have many atheist friends and it's something where I can see their perspective but greatly appreciate when they also see mine.
I'm glad you had a great time!
Thank you for visiting us, Fred. Please come again anytime. You are always welcome.
The theology is very complex. Atheism would find it very foreign.
@Troy Terry To me it doesn't seem very complex at all, actually.
Hi Jeff, I'm a Bishop in our Ward and I love watching your videos. Interfaith discussion and collaboration should happen more often than it does. Thanks for your respect and attitude in exploring our church. It's refreshing to see.
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I love your comment. It’s so true.
Hard to tell if he's really being respectful or he has some anterior motive. He's only going to find truth through the holy spirit witness, not by all this work he's doing.
@@phillipgriffiths9624 Amen
@@phillipgriffiths9624 keep it friendly - not pharisee, Phillip.
Quick comment: 0:40 you CAN wear a hoodie to church. We have a member who arrives at church straight from his overnight shift (Saturday night), and he simply wears what he wears. Yes, it would be nice to wear a shirt and tie, but there's no requirement and no judging, at least not in my ward. 🙂
We welcome any and all visitors, however they are dressed, to any of our chapels. It states on the front of our chapels "Visitors Welcome" 😊
It is more important that you are there than what you wear. But most do wear shirt and tie.
Come as you are . Some of us like getting dressed in honor of our Friend, Jesus.
While people are encouraged to dress nicely as a show of respect for God, the fact that the person is there is much more important than what they are wearing. So putting on a shirt and tie was certainly a good idea, but you would still have been welcome in a hoodie.
You should go to my local ward. Dress code strict.
I am Catholic and made the experience of the Latter-day Saint church meeting myself, some years ago, and had the same experience, the hospitality, the good use of time, combining the sacrament meeting with some profound time of formation, with the same attitude to observe, as pastor Jeff. What really amazed me was the way all different ages had specific tasks, I think LDS Church is really good in getting people involved, and giving responsibilities to their community!
Hi Wouter, are you in the Netherlands or Belgium? I saw your name and had to ask because I was a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints there. I enjoyed your comment!
@@kiraanjewierden332 I am in Eindhoven, the Netherlands... Nice to meet you, hope you had a great missionary experience!
@@kiraanjewierden332 That was quick. LOL
@@maggie2sticks717 Not sure I know what you mean?
I was living in Utah for a while and one day we were lost and went into a Catholic church and the people was more kind than the Mormons :(
Thank you pastor Jeff. The light of Christ shines from you.
I’m of the LDS Faith. I also believe that anyone who is striving to follow Gods commandments is blessed with the miracles in their lives from God. I served an LDS mission and one of the coolest things I experienced was the great faith and miracles that other people had experienced in their lives that were not members of the LDS Faith. I’m so grateful for the love that God has for all of us. It’s unconditional.
Thank you for your work. Your devotion to God inspires me.
I’m very curious. I heard something I wanted clarification on because I want to know as a Catholic the beliefs. Mormons believe in Jesus Christ being the son of God, and his only loving son who died and ascended into heaven to sit with the Father or God. But what I’m curious about is how some Mormons don’t believe all Christian’s are Christian’s. In fact some are not even though they also believe in Jesus? Edit: it went as far as they expect to be considered Christian while also not considering others who believe in Jesus, Christian. Also the part about adding another book in the late 1800’s that Smith wrote being later named the Book of Mormon? The story of the Gold plates buried that he found, and I am curious since they are not old if they are still around because time hasn’t ruined it yet. I am seriously not sure and am only speaking what I’ve heard online and at least in my faith everyone, like me, feels you believe in Jesus and don’t plan on sinning you are a Christian.
Since when has Christianity included the book of Mormon (written by Joseph Smith)? Mormonism is critically unchristian. No one goes to hell. You can be someone who never repents, is an atheist etc yet they will go to the telestial kingdom. Um, last I checked, if you live a life separated from God, your fate is hell not the telestial kingdom. The Mormon cult is a rarely new religion. The United States is older than the Mormon church which was founded in the United States by a racist, Joseph Smith, that didn't like blacks. And they expect people to seriously believe that their "church" is the true church?
hello sir ,if i were you just contact our missionary they are willing to teach in basic doctrine in the gospel Jesus Christ be patient bro you will find peace in your heart
@@jayabrera5045 I'm a woman. I've studied The LDS cult for years. What Joseph Smith did was take his own beliefs about the bible and founded this cult known as LDS. It's hard to take your cult seriously. It was founded her in the United States. If you Google who founded the LDS, it will say Joseph Smith, NOT Jesus Christ. It's funny because Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their cult is the "true church" as well. Both y'all follow the white man's religion, no roots to Israel or the apostles, ZERO archeological artifacts connecting LDS and JW to ancient christianity. I can go on and on. Come out of the LDS, brother.
@@rayray.0 Israelites were White, Ancient Greeks were White, Romans were White, Christ was White, Italy was White, Spain was White, France was White, England was White, Russia was White, all the Christian Kingdoms that spread Christianity throughout the whole world over 2000 years were White, and the largest Christian Nations today are still White. Christianity is the White Man's religion.
If you believe anything other than that, you are wrong, simple as.
Hey I’m a Mormon. Just wanted to say you are such a cool guy. You do so much good in this world. Thank you for your great heart. God bless you and you children and wife wherever you go.
amen! could not have said it better myself.
I pray you will turn your life over to Jesus Christ.
@@paulanelson1629?
Mormons are not Christians. They believe in a totally different Jesus than we do. Mormons follow the teachings of Joseph Smith believed about Jesus. No Christian would ever believe that a "church" founded in the United States (NY) by a racist that didn't like blacks, a church that is younger than the United States is the true church. Seriously?
@@paulanelson1629He has turned his heart over to Christ, isn't it obvious?
18:41 Jeff, one of the best experiences I had was attending the Lutheran Church, because our ward church building was up on a hill, and we were snowed out. I was a missionary at the time, and so I walked into the church with a name tag on, and people were whispering and very suspicious of our presence there. But we reassure them and the pastor that we would not proselyte in their church, but rather just wanted to worship Jesus Christ with them since our church was canceled. It was a really neat experience to see these peoples faith coming together on such a snowy morning.
My grandfather was a Sunday school teacher for his local Lutheran Church. He began reading the book of Mormon, and started teaching passages from the book of Mormon that he liked such as Mosiah chapter 2. The Lutheran minister did not appreciate that. He was teaching from the book of Mormon, and told him that he needed to stop reading from it if he was to continue in their church. My grandfather then said he would not stop reading the passages of goodness from the Book of Mormon and was kicked out of their Church. A year later he was baptized a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.
I think the sentiment with most members of the church is that they are willing to go to any religion, even mosques or other non-Christian religions and attend their services, and learn what they can about God. But sometimes other religions are very persecutive to us. For instance, my mom was treated very rudely buy all the kids at school because she was “Mormon”.
With that said, I do appreciate that you were trying to break down barriers because we in the religious community needs to stick together in order to combat the powers that be who are trying to take down religious freedom. So thank you for all you do in helping bridge the gaps between our groups.
May we be one in Christ that He may win us all 🙏💟
So true. Anglicans seem to hate the LDS so much. Every Anglican church I've been too has talked bad about it
@@lemani2024 and when one church starts actively persecuting another, you know they are not the true one
I have attended an Anglican church in the Salt Lake City area several times in the last couple of years. Although they certainly do not agree with the LDS church and hope that members go to their church instead, I have not seen attacks on the Church, at least while I was there, from the church leader.
@@martinsmith8337 The Anglican churches I have been to are in Australia and in Tonga. I should have included "some" before Anglican. I wasn't implying that every single Anglican church has a problem with the LDS.
Hi! Your grandpa experienced reminded me a movie where a pastor found a book without the cover and first pages, he started teaching in his church with it, people treated him really bad and he suffered a lot because of it, years after finally he got to know the missionaries. It is a beautiful movie and is base in real life. I think the movie is called Vicenzo Di Francesca.
This is one of the first times I've heard someone outside of the LDS church compliment the music when they went. So many times the narrative is about how slow the music is played, or how boring it is without a band. But there is something beautiful about congregational singing, and I love that you pointed it out. It's the only thing I miss about the church.
Have you ever listened to Rob Gardner's music? It's truly amazing. Especially he did this concert piece mini musical about the last week of Christ called the Lamb of God. I just love it.
The music is the Only thing you miss? I find that sad.
Music of worship is my favorite part of my experience of faith. Singing with testimony in my voice when an especially important phrase is sung, is Testament from the Holy Spirit to my own soul. I can understand if you don't have that opportunity to participate in a congregation it can become amiss in the heart.
Take heart, you can sing to God in any instances, in your home, in your room, behind enemy lines, in your head or aloud.
I have learned the basics of playing the piano, and I find playing and singing along in my own home brings the Spirit just the same.
Sing to God.
You should come back.
@@earlleeruhf3130 I didn't say it was the only thing I enjoyed. But I have found those things in other communities.
As a member and convert to the LDS church, I appreciate how honest and kind you are while exploring our faith. It is nice to see people who will explore our faith in a respectful manner.
This is beautiful. Our Savior must be happy when we come together, find common ground, and worship him.
There is no common ground between going to hell or heaven! Mormons are not saved
AMEN!❤️
I love your channel. I appreciate your authenticity and respect. I grew up with many friends from other Faiths and learned from an early age that we can all love Jesus without agreeing about every point of doctrine. Though I was born into a Latter-day Saint family, I am a convert and love the restored Gospel of JESUS CHRIST. Watching you is refreshing and makes me want to be even kinder and better as I interact with others who may or may not share my same convictions, beliefs or opinions. Thank you for being a true disciple of Christ.
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Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”? No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ, along with many other Christian denominations, believe in deification or theosis. This is based on the teaching that we can become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17). Though much may be speculated, little is known about the specific details of our potential under this doctrine. Simply reducing it to ruling a planet caricatures a profound and complex belief. The use of the word “planet” makes a generally very good people seem more like sci-fi enthusiasts than devout Christians.
@Brandon Price Thank you, Brandon, for clearly expelling this.
It is interesting I should be reading your comment tonight. Last Sunday, I gave a talk in Sacrament meeting. My topic was Conversion. I am a convert to the Church and so is everyone who is baptized. VConversion is required of all.
“The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things “so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them” (Henry B. Eyring, quoting Spencer W. Kimball, Ensign, October 2002.)
Pastor Jeff, you rock! Week after week as you pursue your ongoing curiosity learning more about Latter-Day Saints, you have plenty of opportunity to potentially trash on "Mormons" ...but every time my defenses start to inch up, you choose not to. Rather, you choose to respect, to understand; you choose to identify similar experiences and situations elsewhere, you choose not to disagree, or you disagree with love. Thank you! Your approach is rare, but very welcome!! Good on you! I also LOVE my fellow brothers & sisters in Christ in other churches!! I love that they're trying to reach higher like me, trying to look up, trying to have hope, and to learn more about and follow Christ. What you are doing unifies rather than segregates believers in Christ. We need more of that throughout the Christian world.
Great comment sir !!
Love your post! Very well worded. I suspect your "defenses start to inch up" because you've been attacked so often by other Christians the second there's even a whiff of a doctrinal difference. But why do they do this? Isn't it good enough that we also try to follow Christ? Why will they be our "brothers" only if we agree doctrinally? Like you, I also love my brothers and sisters of other failts. There's no doctrinal qualifications on that. I wish they would do the same for us. The Christian world needs more unity, especially now.
Yes, what he said! 🤗💛
Exactly. Completely agree.
He disagrees with love ??? But still disagrees ?? Still getting in his false teachings ???
For what it's worth, I would love to come with you to your church. I served a LDS mission and I made a point to attend many different faiths' services. All churches I attended were quite welcoming to us. It seemed only fair to attend their church if we asked them to attend ours. It's a practice I still continue.
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Jeff- another great video. As a Pastor in Utah I am refreshed by how you are building bridges and tactfully disagreeing with doctrinal distinctions while encouraging a massive group of people who matter deeply to Jesus! I’ve been in Utah 20 years and I have tried to approach my friendships with LDS people in a similar manner. We have a different gospel, and we know how important that is, but we also know that loving and respecting are key to having more meaningful conversations about faith, grace, and truth! I love it brother!
That’s awesome of you, trying to do the same thing, especially when there are so many people in Utah that are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Pastor Nate!!!
I happen to be one of those, also, but I moved here from California in the 1980’s, and was a little surprised at some of the “church cultural” language ~ for instance, asking new move ins in their neighborhood area if they are a “member” and intending that to mean “member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” and expecting the new neighbor to understand what they are REALLY being asked!😮😅🙂😂
I’m sure that many untrue assumptions have been made on your behalf, and and I’m sure you have been blessed with much patience!
Thank you!
God bless you for your faith and diligence!
As a pastor you should rebuke false teachings. The bible is the final authority,and the word of God.
@@langleybeliever7789true. But there's nothing false in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 😊
@@hayteren Is Jesus Lucifers brother?
@@langleybeliever7789 the Devil came from heaven, the Bible says. So what would you call it?
As an endowed, former missionary, BYU graduate, pioneer heritage active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I want to say thank you SO MUCH for this video. I dont know anything else about you, but this 19:28 clip warmed by heart. You sincerely are "endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (Eph 4:3).
how'd you do all that and not totally deconstruct your beliefs in the process?! like honest question, cause like same, except I lost my testimony and can't unsee the trauma my family still carries from my ancestor's coming here in the mid 1800s.
@@anoriginalcreationxI’m the same as Michael, except I’m not a a BYU graduate. Going through all of these experiences (going through the temple, serving a mission, etc) has only strengthened my testimony. Nearly all adult active members of the church have asked the same questions/had the same doubts as disenfranchised/former members have. We just came to the opposite conclusion for whatever reason. I received a strong testimony that the church is absolutely true.
Thank you for your curiosity and respect for our church. I love your content and it helps me to strengthen my faith as a LDS convert!
Research the $5 million dollar fine the corporation received for fraud through its shell companies…disgraceful..😡
You need to get out of that devil religion if LDS become a Bible believing baptist
Do you believe in a heavenly mother?
@@Raisingrawlins hell2 the no
Hey Pastor Jeff!! Wonderful video 😊
I don’t the LDS church has a monopoly on truth, light, or goodness. Only Jesus Christ does. There are so many good people in this world, other amazing Christians, fantastic people of other faiths, and even (especially!!) great people who don’t believe in God at all, and I believe that God works through them to bring about so much good/light/help here on earth. You just read Mosiah, right? “When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God” (Mosiah 2:17). And how do you get to know the Master? You serve Him! Pastor Jeff, through the kindness you radiate, it is so clear that you know Christ. You serve Him for goodness sake! You serve us Latter-day Saints too!! I have been a member of this church for 15 years and I’ve chosen to continue with it because I do believe in the power of covenants and the teaching in the Book of Mormon as it brings me closer to Christ. But that doesn't mean that other people not of my faith can't also get close to God. Yes, Priesthood covenants are important, but the Christ I've read about in the bible never seemed to be a big fan of red tape or burnt offerings in the temple over someone who loves God and their neighbor with all their heart might mind and strength to me. Thank you so much for your goodness and for sharing with us Christlike kindness Pastor Jeff!! Wish you and your family well! (:
Edit: I spelled member wrong rip
God talks to everyone, but who listens?
I agree 💜 I wish somebody would have jumped in with some sense, maybe adding a question to help redirect that discussion when it seemed to become more cultural/incorrect than doctrinal. We do not believe that God only allows covenant makers to recieve grace and power, not at all. God works in many wonderful and mysterious ways. God loves all of his children. God's grace can reach anyone and change anyone at any time. If anything, I wish that covenant makers saw an increase responsibility to love and to see God's hand in the lives of other people who are not like them. Look at it this way, it's most certainly happened that some pastor at some church at some point in time has missed the mark on doctrine, well I'd say that's what happened here. Oh goodness, sometimes the people in the church really live in a bubble, and I do believe it is often to our detriment. I'm hoping that our church can become more loving and more united and let the stuff that's more cultural than doctrinal fall away. I know the time is coming. 💙
Funny, I remember multiple members bearing their testimony, saying "this is the one true church." Same thing all of my church teachers would say, we are the one true church. Have things changed? Is that no longer taught?
@@gigib9190 Good question 🥰 We believe this is the restored New Testament Church. We also believe that Judaism, Islam, etc (the Abrahamic religions) are all fulfillments of the Abrahamic Covenant that in his seed all the nations of the Earth would be blessed. We believe that God loves all His children, so much that He send His son, not to condemn the world, but to save the world. We believe that we can be filled with His pure love if we pray with all the energy of heart. One thing I like to remember is from Corinthians, that charity edifieth, where knowledge puffeth up. A person can share their testimony of the church with a pure motive and with sensitivity to the wonderful things God does in the lives of all His children. Not everyone has learned how to do that yet. I personally look forward to many people in the church being reborn and unified with all people, so that we can prepare for the Savior to return to the Earth, cuz God does not just show His hand in one church. God will work with anyone who will have Him to be their God. That's what matters.
@@gigib9190 And the most important testimony to have is a testimony of the love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So I'd say, a lot of peace can come from just focusing on the things that resonate and letting someone else be right where God wants them to be. Good luck on your journey!!
Dude, you're the goat, I'm a Latter Day Saint and your kindness and respect toward the church is so refreshing.❤ There is so much hate toward the church even within my own family. It's wonderful to see such a Christlike person find common ground and look tounderstandd and learn about other beliefs. You are a great example in spreading kindness instead of hate. I'll be subscribing.
I hear you It seems like the people who have the most hate is thouse who have been married in the temple made promises and turn from it. They become bitter. My self I have Had a hard time to keep motivated to go alone as my 1st husband didn't stay with it after a couple year. My 2nd husband was catholic. There was some abuse, so I left after15-16 years so now I'm back to going a lone again. I was in the same sanario after 1st marriage of 5-1/2 years. It can create social anxiety. psd from dealing with loneliness in the past.
I left the LDS church 23 years ago and attend Protestant services. I have family still active & involved in the LDS faith. Great job being so gracious and kind toward a belief system that is not your own. It can be hard for ANYONE with differing beliefs to show grace and respect on opposing views. You are an example to others in how to bridge culture, & faith based gaps. Well done
What made you leave the LDS church ?
I concur - as humans striving to live good, moral lives, we generally have more in common than we have differences.
It’s nice to see differences identified in a non-threatening manner. Very well done.
@@cabuco2006everything about it contradicts the Bible
I’m so glad you attended a LDS church service. I would encourage you to attend on a 1st Sunday of the month as well. There is a testimony meeting, where members have the opportunity to bear their testimonies and it is wonderful.
Also on the 1st & 3rd Sundays the 2nd hour of church the youth and adults attend Sunday school. And are currently studying the New Testament.
I enjoyed your take on the singing. Members of the LDS church start learning songs from as young as 18 months old in Nursery class. Music is a very big part of the LDS religion.
that's the one service I ditch sometimes. Again, it depends on who gets up. There was a surgeon. that was a bishop, and his testimony was very good sometimes a lot of children get up., I guess it a learning process for them...
As well as the 1st being fast Sunday. It just adds to it
My husband and I have enjoyed following your videos. We both are converts of 40 plus years. I was a member of the Church of Christ and my husband was a Baptist. The ward you attended, Butler Hill is special to us because I was baptized there and we were married there prior to being married in the Chicago Temple years before the St. Louis temple was built. We now live in Kentucky. I love the quiet reverence during our sacrament service and the sacrament hymn is to bring to mind the reason we partake of it…the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. One thing that concerned me was something you said you heard discussed in class…I hope you will ask one of your LDS member friends to clarify that for you. We look forward to watching future videos and studying the Come Follow Me lessons with you! Thank you for your loving, unbiased opinions of our church! 🥰
I love hearing about conversion stories. I'm happy for you and your husband.
Hands down my favorite episode of Hello Saints yet! I’m humbled by Pastor Jeff’s example of kindness, curiosity and honesty.
While watching this, I was brought back to a few years ago when we were traveling as a family and couldn’t get to an LDS sacrament meeting on time. It was Palm Sunday and we really wanted to worship the Lord so we attended another denomination’s Sunday Service. Our kids were so rowdy and we were so embarrassed because the rest of the kids were so well-behaved but everyone was sincerely kind and inviting us back! I really appreciated how the pastor had visuals up on the screen of the hymns we were singing and the scriptures he was teaching about-it helped me understand much better what was being taught. During the closing hymn I was bawling, the Spirit and love for the Savior was so pure and strong and I turned to my husband to see that his eyes were flooded with tears too. Maybe it helped that it was a familiar song to us but I loved the connection I felt that day not only to God but to the others in that community. ❤
Beautiful! I think this is truly what we long for- At-one-ment.
I'm LDS, and have attended several different churches over the years. It's definitely very interesting to observe, and and participate in their services. I try to keep an open mind, and just remember that as followers of Christ, we're all actually more similar than we are different. I think we're all aiming for the same thing, just each taking a slightly different path to get there. I feel that instead of fighting each other we need to come together to try and make this earthly existence better for us all.
Can I ask you is there salvation outside the LDS Church do you believe that church leaders have been told by God at any time in church history that black men could not hold the priesthood do you believe that Christ Jesus made all things including Satan or anything that was ever made as it says in John chapter 1 do you believe that you can receive salvation without works because as an ex Mormon I know the answers to all these questions but here is the truth we are saved by grace through faith it is not of ourselves but the gift of God and not by works lest any man should boast to the man who worketh not but believeth in him who justifyith the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness the Mormon religion is based on the Mammon system you do for me and I do for you we both get something and we both give something this is not God's way our righteousnesses are filthy rags to God only our faith in the Lord Christ Jesus is counted for righteousness you should answer these questions honestly to see where you are really at if you are honest you will realize that your religion is constantly changing what used to be exactly like the R LDS Church has now become what you are in today and if you can't see that then you're blinding yourself to the truth your church changes with the times and so do the rules it is fraudulent put all your faith and trust in the Lord Christ Jesus his finished work on the cross his death burial and Resurrection on the third day for our justification and what you read about him in the King James version Bible he is not a god he is the only God in Isaiah he says there was no God formed before me and there will be no God formed after me and there is no savior but me is this something that you believe be honest look to God's word in the King James version Bible not man's religion
Building bridges!
Not completing temple ordinances does not mean that you cannot access the power of God.
There was a misconception there.
I am a regular viewer and was formerly LDS. I am always astounded by your objectivity and willingness to gain insight into the LDS church. Your description of your experience was spot on to what I experienced growing up. Thank you.
I'd like to explain a bit about the sacrament. 😊 First thing, the reason why there are some men who pass it on to the congregation is to symbolize service which is a very big thing in the church. Second thing, the reason for the water instead of wine impressed me a lot when I understood it for the first time. I used to think that it's just because we don't consume alcohol but it's actually based on John 4:14 "the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life". "The water that I shall give him" is the blood the he shed when he suffered for our sins and when he died on the cross. But through his resurrection, the blood of death that he shed turned into "a well of water springing up into everlasting life" because thanks to his resurrection, we will also be resurrected after death and live forever. Another symbolism is repentance. Thanks to his Atonement we can repent (apologizing for what we did wrong in prayer to God and asking for forgiveness) and receive forgiveness for our sins or in other words be made clean. Isaiah 1:18 "though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool". I hope that my explanation was helpful. 😉
There is a historical precedent, as well. Doctrine and Covenants 27 records that Joseph Smith encountered an angelic messenger while out to obtain wine for the sacrament. The messenger commanded him not to purchase wine from people who were enemies of the church, but to only use wine if they had made it themselves. (The exact reason isn't stated. Was there concern that it might be poisoned? Or simply that giving money to people who persecute them is disadvantageous?) This same messenger also said that the PURPOSE for which the sacrament was being taken was what was important, and that what was actually consumed did not matter. The "Word of Wisdom," which asks members of the Church to refrain from alcohol came about later, but at the time it was issued, it was considered a recommendation rather than a commandment. It was early in the twentieth century that Latter-day Saints were asked to abstain completely from alcoholic beverages, and the shift to water instead of wine was made. Water also happens to be more practical, as it is inexpensive and easily obtained.
But Jesus used the fruit of the Vine and told us to do so in remembrance of him.
You know what happens when you go to an LDS church wearing jeans and a hoodie? They welcome you anyway.
Yeah, suits and dresses are the norm, but we'd rather have you there than not. I showed up to church last week in a hoodie because I had to leave early to be somewhere. It's not a big deal. I'm also in the St Louis area.
Yeah, I've been to wards where many members were wearing work clothes because they were either using church as their lunch break or would have to report to work right away. Blue collar towns can be like that. When I was in that position, I kept some nicer work clothes set aside for the sabbath in case I could find the time to attend church. Nobody wants the stink of crude oil during worship services.
Right, it's not that there's a dress code for church - it's simply that we're encouraged to wear our Sunday best to show an outward respect for the Lord, inparticularly for when the sacrament is administered and recieved. There were times I found myself without my Sunday clothes or shoes and went with the best I had and that was acceptable because I went and it's really about my relationship with God.
Last time I went in jeans and a hoodie it was because my house burned down three days before. For me it was my Sunday best. 🐢
@@arlenefisher1164 That's unfortunate. I've never seen that anywhere. But I've also spent little time in Utah. That's not what we teach.
Reminds me of some of the scenes in the movie Mobsters and Mormons.
@@arlenefisher1164 That's sad. Whoever asked them to leave wasn't following our beliefs. When we see people who look different, we should be even more welcoming to them.
As one who prepares the sacrament I appreciate so much how you try and understand The LDS Church on TH-cam all the big influencers on TH-cam who get into the subject about religion when they get to the topic about ( Mormons ) they usually talk to those who have left the church and not getting view of those who are in the church. So just thank you so much I enjoy watching your videos about the LDS church even though I’m already a very faithful member 👍🏽😂
Yes!! Actually going and observing practicing members! Couldn't agree more!
Loved this video and your honesty about the class you attended. I’m a lifelong member of the church and I find myself cringing when we talk amongst ourselves as if there is not truth or God’s power found among His children of different faith traditions. I’ve been trying to use more precise language when sharing my beliefs because of the way the general ‘jargon’ of our LDS culture can sound to others, even when our comments are well intentioned. So thank you for bringing this up! And thanks for taking us on this journey with you. So interesting to see things through your eyes.
This comment was right on the nose for me. I also grew up in the church and had the exact same experience. Like, I think people don't realize how that they're saying will sound to someone who doesn't have a shared terminology or a shared context, and often say things that aren't 100% true but other people in the church sort of know what they mean so they all move on. It's a travesty that members of the church don't pursue more clarity of language like you do. Just my experience.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, thank you for your graciousness and your insight!
As a Latter-day Saint, I have to say that I have loved every experience I have had of going to services of other congregations. I love to see what similarities we share with other faiths and where we differ, it's so interesting. Thanks for your positive and supportive channel.
You are doing really great work. You’re showing the right way that people with differing beliefs should interact with each other. Not with hostility or with criticism, but with open arms and finding common ground
Love ❤ your profile picture 🤣☠
This is fascinating. I only hear about the church from the ex Mormon community/apostates. Not the best way to learn. My father was a Lutheran Pastor but he never explained the LDS church to me. Thank you for this look at the church.
There are definitely bitter ex Mormons who find it difficult to be objective when talking about things that have impacted them, but I'd argue i that talking to ex Mormons in general is the best way to learn! They've been through it all, studied the doctrine, lived it and put it to the test, learned truths about the church that members are prevented from knowing, escaped indoctrination, and come out the other side with a perspective that believing members don't have.
@IamCree, I respectfully disagree. What is often true of disaffected former members of my LDS faith is that instead of putting their energies into positivity about what they’ve moved on to instead, they’re often instead trying to bring other LDS members down with them. And as a convert to the LDS faith of many years, myself, I have never felt indoctrinated…only enriched and enlightened by my fellow LDS members, be they leaders or not. The LDS people in my life in every state and city in which I have lived have been among the most educated, intelligent, refined, positive, and respectful people I could ever hope to have in my life!-albeit very human with the foibles and weaknesses of humankind. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
Greg Id love to help connect you to members or missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday Saints that live near you to learn more that way too. Let me know. I love what Jeff is doing here too. We need Christ and all those that do believe in Christ will need to work together well in these last days.
I also respectfully disagree with your take. The LDS church is not indoctrination. No one is forced to be a member, nor are non-members (or people that leave the church), members who are inactive, or anyone else "shunned" by members of the church. Also, LDS members are not "punished" for engaging in social media (including TH-cam) nor are they "punished" for reading anything they want, even if it is critical of the church. People who are ex-members/apostates that are driven to publicly and vociferously tear down the LDS Church are clearly being influenced by Satan. I have went through many times of being inactive and my mother, the missionaries, and other members reach out to welcome me to Church. However, I have never been told that my mother won't speak to me again if I don't go back.
@@hollyprice4351 HP I’m not sure who you’re replying to but I didn’t say anything about indoctrinating nor did I say anything about social media or shunning. I didn’t see but one comment about indoctrination. What you describe here sound though you’re comparing the LDS Church with Jehovah’s Witnesses.
“What Sunday is it again?” - “which door do I go in?” - so relatable. The way you describe it is pretty much how it is. It’s fun to hear it from a new set of eyes. Thanks for this video. ❤
I am a member of this church and just want to thank you for your sincere respect and interest in understanding our faith. Thank you for speaking of us with so much kindness. Love your videos. God bless! ❤
I am a Latter-Day Saint, and I truly respect the fact that though you may not believe what we believe, you have remained respectful and humble. I believe this is why you have won so many Latter-Day Saint followers. Keep up the great work. We need more Inter-Christian/Inter-faith discussion that is respectful.
LDS is not Christian
@Chiefdigger they are Christian....The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
@@chiefdigger5216 why aren't lds christian?
Jesus Christ is the keystone of the church. We most definitely are Christian.
Is the LORD JESUS CHRIST God almighty in the flesh? Or Lucifers brother?
Your kindness is important but greatful to hear the truth. I am Christian and love the LDS. I pray always for everyone. Thats all I know what to do. I have studied the LDS faith and see our differences have many questions. Thanks for sharing
What questions do you have, I am a member.
I cannot carry a tune in a bucket, but love to participate with the hymns every Sunday.
That was my thought too! I love to sing but I do get some giggles around me sometimes:)
Just sing bass
I'm 60 years old and the more I learn about the gospel of Jesus Christ the more I learn how little I know.
And I know there is nobody in the church that knows everything because there is so so much to learn.
But let me share with you this that I receive my own revelation when I have personal study pondering over my questions and this only strengthen my testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
As Latter-Day Saints, taking the sacrament is indeed the focus of Sacrament Meeting (our main church service on Sundays). We never have music playing as we take the sacrament because it's meant to be a quiet, reverent time of reflection. You are not supposed to even whisper at this time, but of course you will always hear small children wiggling around etc
I honestly stumbled upon your channel by accident. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, it has been interesting to see your perspective. Thank you for your open-mindedness kindness and positivity as you learn more about what we believe. We don't often get treated this way and media representation by those not of our faith. ❤️
My name is James, I’m LDS, I enjoy your channel . Super cool that you had a positive experience attending an LDS Sunday. It sounds like you attended Elder’s Quorum. I truly know that no one church or religion has a monopoly on truth. The beauty of what your adventure represents is that, in my opinion. We are all God’s children and I believe that he is aware of us and wants us to learn and grow. Trying to learn about Christ and be more like him is one of the most important things we need to do regardless of how we do that. Obviously there are differences, but if we can embrace those differences and help each other navigate the trials of mortal life, I believe it would be much easier vs. arguing about who is right and who is wrong.
So thank you.
I admire what you are doing. How you are going about it. I am a convert to the LDS church. I was raised Catholic and when a youth went to various Christian churches. I feel those experiences set a good foundation for my belief in God and Jesus Christ.
My wife has a very good friend who belongs to the Church of Christ. When we visit her we attend her church. When she visits us she attends our church. I know we have differences in how we worship and believe but in the big picture I believe in a Loving God who is not limited by doctrinal differences and will judge us individually and grant more mercy than we can even imagine. Yes we believe the ordinances, covenants and power to administer are within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but it would be foolish to say God doesn’t bless anyone who is striving to live a life of discipleship in following Jesus Christ. He is a loving God and bless’s all who worship him according to their faith and knowledge. If indeed the ordinances are critical we profess then he will make them available to all. That is why we build temples. I know without a doubt there will be many surprises of who is in Heaven. For are we not all sinners. All shall confess Jesus is the Christ before final judgement. And thank goodness God is that judge.
What a beautiful mission brother. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ. I feel there is too much outside our collective churches that we should all be confronting that we should not be at odds with each other. You are showing us a fantastic example of how this can be done. The Lord will bless you, your congregation and your extended congregation for your caring demeanor.
I've heard that the LDS doesn't believe in the resurrection and believes that Jesus was just another prophet. Plus some dude wrote his own holy book.
Beyond that, you're right. If there is some way that they truly believe in Jesus, redemption, and the resurrection, then the rest of the details maybe don't matter.
You're right that overall labels shouldn't matter.
PS I do like that they dress up nicely for church. In many Christian churches people often dress like they are going to the beach or something.
@@davidm4566 we believe that Jesus Christ was the only begotten son of god and resurrected allowing all mankind to partake in that resurrection. We do believe that there was another testament of Jesus Christ that is called the Book of Mormon. We believe the Bible is the old and New Testament of Jesus Christ.
@@subjectmatteramateur16 What basis or credibility do you give for the sequel Book?
@@davidm4566 most likely the same credibility that you give to the Bible, that it is God's word given to his children for their benefit through His prophets and apostles. More specifically, rather than a "sequel" it is another testament of Jesus Christ. I hope that helps, brother!
I really appreciate the respectful way you approach this exploration. Thank you for that and helping us all become more unified in our faith in Christ
In the past I have only watched portions of your show but I felt inspired to watch this episode and I was touched by what I saw. The lord works through you and that is the best compliment I could give . Keep it up - please !
You might be surprised and maybe uncomfortable to meet strangers who feel they already know you and love you. I’m sure you’d have someone approach you at any ward you attend. You are doing an amazing job!
Thank you to your wife and kids too 😘 💗 and to your crew who (obviously) helped you ☺️
You should have brought your wife and children so you could experience the whole Sabbath experience.
This was my ward building when I served as a missionary! loved the video, love this channel. Thanks for your thoughts and understanding. God bless.
How cool for you! I miss my mission and everything about it.
Pastor Jeff. I so look forward to your videos. You are a true friend to the LDS members. I loved your summary of our Sunday Services and felt I could not have done a better job myself than you did. It felt sincere and from the heart. And you're right about the singing, it's like everyone was born knowing they were an alto, tenor , soprano, or bass and they instinctively could sing their parts. I'm not one of those so I just sit between those who are and let them drown me out. Thank you for being you. I would attend your congregation, knowing you would welcome me and my family anytime.
Hey Jeff I just discovered your channel a couple of months ago, and have really enjoyed your videos. I am apart of the LDS church and I am about to serve a two year mission soon.
Your videos have really given me a greater point of view on my own church that I never had before. I can’t wait to share my knowledge to others. Thank you for what you have been doing! You are spreading a greater awareness to not only the lds church, but other religions as well, and I am just very inspired by it!
Happy Sabbath Pastor Jeff! One thing that stood out to me was when you described the talks given by the members today as opposed to a normal evangelical sermon. There are also talks given where the member will expound more of their points with scriptural back up and reading from the scriptures.
Looks like you landed on a day that wasn’t a Sunday school day… where they discuss the “come follow me” study guide.
I sure love you, Pastor Jeff! You’re so cool! Thank you for being respectful, kind and loving to “us Mormons” despite our differences. Our similarities are that we love and follow the one and only Jesus! What a blessing you have been to bring our religious closer together! ❤❤❤
Honest and sincere question, do LDS folks today generally worship and follow Jesus as the one who is the one and only God, Yahweh, who was never physically or spiritually created because he has always ruled as the triune God outside of time and space? Or do you believe in Jesus (named Jehovah) the first created in spirit of the resurrected Elohim/Heavenly Father? Or do you and most LDS people you know have a different view of Jesus than either of those? I know each LDS person has a unique perspective, so I don’t want to assume you hold to view 1 or 2. But I am genuinely confused when I hear LDS individuals say they believe in the “same Jesus” but they actually imagine a unique Jesus from the one that mainstream Christianity worships. I almost feel like there are two Jesuses who look like fraternal twins-almost but not identical, and the LDS faith holds to one and mainstream Christianity holds to the other. On close examination they are different but they seem somewhat a like on basics.
@@le7262 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. Very similar to the Apostles' Creed
@@le7262 replied, "Honest and sincere question, do LDS folks today generally worship and follow Jesus as the one who is the one and only God, Yahweh, who was never physically or spiritually created because he has always ruled as the triune God outside of time and space? Or do you believe in Jesus (named Jehovah) the first created in spirit of the resurrected Elohim/Heavenly Father? Or do you and most LDS people you know have a different view of Jesus than either of those? I know each LDS person has a unique perspective, so I don’t want to assume you hold to view 1 or 2. But I am genuinely confused when I hear LDS individuals say they believe in the “same Jesus” but they actually imagine a unique Jesus from the one that mainstream Christianity worships. I almost feel like there are two Jesuses who look like fraternal twins-almost but not identical, and the LDS faith holds to one and mainstream Christianity holds to the other. On close examination they are different but they seem somewhat a like on basics."
LE, I'm not aware of a scriptural description of God that we don't believe; If you'd like to give some examples, I'd be open to discussing them. I am aware of statements from the Nicene creed that don't mesh well with the Holy Bible (Is "trinity" or "triune" in the Bible?). Overall, I am very unfamiliar with various theories of what God is to mainstream Christianity--I only study the scriptures, and so I find myself much more closely aligned with scriptural descriptions of Jesus Christ. I really couldn't answer your question other than to say I believe in Jesus Christ as found in scripture.
@@mavinswapp9663…do you believe the Son of God was first spiritually created by Heavenly Father? Before he was born as Jesus?
@@brucenorth5337…do you believe the Son of God was first spiritually created by Heavenly Father? Before he was born as Jesus?
Love it! I'm LDS, and I have gone to an evangelical church several times, here in my town. I loved it! I love the energy the band brought to the service. I listen to Christian music so I was able to sing the songs. I'm glad it was a positive experience for you! You are so awesome! Love your channel.🙏
Another well done video again as a Catholic Christian your incites and points reinforced my beliefs and the importance of reaching out to other Christians. Very thoughtful 👏 thank you!
As a member and convert to LDS I am delighted to watch your channel and openness to learning and experiencing. This faith has changed my life and so many ways and the love of Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father. Amen
Your car totally fit right in in the parking lot. Loved that you sported the car seat in the back seat behind you. The cool thing is that I don't think you planned that... its just how ya roll on a Sunday morning. Loved it!
Thank you for visiting our church Jeff! I am glad you felt welcomed. In response to your statement regarding our Sacrament itself, there is no message given during the administration of the Sacrament because the message is in the ordinance itself; We partake of the Sacrament to renew our baptismal covenants; so our thoughts while doing it each week are on those covenants, on the Savior and His sacrifice for us. Did they not have a youth speaker that week? Sometimes during the meeting, along with a couple adult speakers, we get the chance to hear from one of our youth; someone from 11-18yo either young man or woman, and they will give a usually 5 minute talk as well. And yes, sometimes our Bishop will speak, but generally it is the members of the congregation that teach each other, the Bishop and his counselors (since he was gone when you visited, one of his counselors was presiding) just preside over the meeting.
Thanks for doing this :)
This episode reminded me a lot of David Boice and his 52 churches in 52 weeks channel. I am a fan of both of you guys, and I really admire what you're doing :)
As a Latter-day Saint, I think you are doing God's work and that you are in a great position to help improve the relationship and understanding between the various faiths, not just between the Latter-day Saints and your protestant faith.
I think there are some people that can do God's work best where they are at, and that includes you and other like-minded folks such as Dallas Jenkins, who I am also a big fan of. Both of you are helping considerably to improve the love and understanding between the different Christian faiths around the world.
Cheers :)
What a wonderful video and honest assessment of our faith and our sacrament meetings. I am an ordained bishop in the church but my tenure ended after about 6 years of service and a new bishop was called to serve in our ward. We remain ordained bishops after we are released from active service, but are inactive in our priesthood office. Your channel is such a refreshing thing to see in a world where it seems fashionable to tear down and focus on differences rather than similarities. I too have visited other congregations of Christian denominations and find them beautiful and sincere in their worship of our Savior and Heavenly Father. As the scripture states where two or more are gathered in His name there He is also. Thanks again. You have a new subscriber.
Good honest man you are. As you were explaining the service it brought me warmth. I am member and am happy to see you exploring and being openminded.
Again, I continue to appreciate the respect you show toward others that are striving to follow Christ.
That meeting you went to after the Sacrament meeting was a Priesthood quorum meeting (Elders Quorum). Two weeks of the month, we hold Sunday School, which breaks down by age groups, with all adults that aren't called as teachers or other capacities in the Ward would attend together. The other two Sundays, Priesthood Quorums meet together, the Young Women groups meet together, and the Relief Society (adult women) meet together. In the case of a fifth Sunday, we hold a combined Sunday School under the direction of the Bishop.
As you experienced during Sacrament Meeting, members from the ward are asked by someone from the Bishopric (the person conducting when you attended was one of the Bishops Counselors - of which he has two) to speak on a topic. While asked to reference scripture, sometimes speakers do offer more personal testimony than verses. The Bishop and his Counselors rotate who is conducting from month to month, but the Bishop (unless he is not in attendance) always presides.
The Bishop and his counselors aren't often the ones who speak during Sacrament. The idea is that members instruct and teach each other, while the Bishop's main role is to look after the spiritual needs fairly directly as he meets with them and oversee the general instruction in Sacrament, Sunday School, and other meetings within the ward.
I love hearing testimonies from various fellow members on different gospel doctrines throughout the year as they're invited to speak.
Thank you for your effort to better understand those who are part of the LDS faith. I know I enjoyed attending various churches while I served an LDS mission in Germany. It's amazing to connect with others in our love for the Saviour.
LDS member here, one of my favorite parts is the singing during Sunday worship. It sounds so beautifully when we all sing together. I’m so glad you felt welcomed when you attended the ward. It’s been fun following you along this journey. Thanks for your honest and raw impressions. Blessings to you and your family.
Another great episode! I agree 100% that you do NOT need to be a Latter-day Saint to see God's power in your life. I have had the opportunity to work closely w many of the local pastors and church leaders in our area and I have seen miracles occur from their faith in Christ. I think the idea that our Church has to do all the important work in these last days is incorrect. President Oaks talked about this in his talk in October 2022 conference. I am so grateful for my friendships outside my church because I feel the "team" that Jesus is using to build His Kingdom is so much bigger than I expected. It is so interesting to see how I can be wrong and the true answer given by the Lord is so wonderful, that I don't mind being wrong. My friends outside my church have taught me so much that they have learned from the Savior. I think the main issue in President Nelson's talk is that we are unable to do what is required of us on our own power. We need to rely upon the Lord's power to do anything meaningful. Yoked to the Savior, we can change the world and prepare ourselves for the Second Coming of the Lord. I think He will clarify the doctrinal details, but He will be much more interested in our response when He asks us, like Peter, "Lovest thou me?" The Covenants that we all make with Christ help us to do this.
I really feel like God has called you to bridge the gap between Christian Churches. You’re doing an amazing job!
Side note: I can see how a little music could help during the passing of the sacrament.
Next step: attend a baptism.
LDS is not Christian
The name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they believe in the Bible. What is not Christian about it?
The main reason is that they don't believe the basis of the gospel. They believe in grace after all you can do, which isn't the gospel. God gives His grace freely, He doesn't "make up" for the works or areas we failed. We don't work for salvation, it's a gift of God we receive by faith and nothing else.
There is also the matter that they believe the true gospel died after the apostles and it took until the 1800s for the "true" gospel to be revived... meaning everyone between the deaths of the apostles and early church church 1800 that everyone that died in that time frame went to Hell since they didn't know the "true" gospel... using a verse out of context in Amos as a justication for this.
Mormons are not Christians
What you are doing is so intensely beautiful. Thank you for promoting such open hearted kindness and being a champion for connection. I see the Lord working through you.
Nothing but love for you Pastor Jeff. You're a good man and I have so much respect for what you're doing here. Building bridges of respect and understanding, particularly among people of faith, is so important in today's world.
Those young men offering the prayers over the bread and water were the ones presiding over it. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has two "classes" of priesthood - the Aaronic (lower) priesthood which “holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism” (D&C 13:1) and is responsible for calling people onto Christ and meeting their physical needs. Through the exercise of this priesthood, the sacrament is prepared, blessed, and administered.
The Melchizedek Priesthood is the higher priesthood, which is responsible for spiritual matters, including Temple work.
The Aaronic priesthood can be conferred from the age of 12, but the Melchizedek generally requires someone to be an adult, and to be of sufficient spiritual maturity.
In addition, it might be good to mention that we have an environment of silence for the sacrament, no music or scripture reading from the pulpit etc, as to keep distractions to minimum, so people can focus on repentance and the savior in a more personal fashion.
I am curious what your church congregation and your wife think of you exploring our faith? I would love for you to discuss that a little bit in one of your videos. Thanks!
I so love your videos. Each time I watch one, My Testimony and understanding of my beliefs as a Latter-day Saint are strengthens. Thank you so much for your honest perspectives.
Thank you for your honesty and for the time you took to compare and contrast your expectations with what you experienced.
Hey Pastor,
Last year you came out to General Conference here in Salt Lake City.
April 1 and April 2, Saturday and Sunday it is happening again. You should come out and experience it again and not be so rushed this time.
That statement about not having access to God’s power, at least the way you heard and explained it, may have been misunderstood. Of course anyone who seeks for God’s help, may have access to it. The Spirit or the Light of Christ is available to everyone who sincerely seeks and asks for it. If that were not the case, then how else could anyone know right from wrong, or truth when they hear it? I believe what that brother was referring to is the fact that as we make and keep sacred covenants, we are promised certain blessings here on earth and in the life hereafter. One of those blessings was stated in the Sacrament prayers. If we keep the covenants we made by partaking of the Sacrament, we would have the Holy Ghost to be with us. All of the Covenants we make are followed up with a promise and/or a blessing. I hope that makes sense and helps you understand a bit more clearly. And although I don’t go to Priesthood meetings, I know how we long life members can sound sometimes. Sorry on behalf of that.
Beautifully said!
Glad you had an overall good experience. We care about the worship experiences of others. It’s always good for the membership of any church to hear how they can support visitors and represent Christ as much as possible. We love you Pastor Jeff and family!
I’d credit any singing success you witnessed with “practice makes nearly perfect” and we do sing a lot. Lol. I guarantee that all singing abilities sing in our congregations! Good times.
I love how respectful and understanding you are!
Hello! I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and stumbled across your channel. I have watched several of your videos and I just want to say I appreciate your openness and willingness to seek and learn. You have such a nice disposition and a calm and respectful manner. That really means A LOT. I recognize that many or most Christian denominations do not always understand what we are about and say we are not even Christian. Obviously some of our doctrines do not fully align and there are differences. However we believe in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice which was made for each and every one of us, no matter what we might believe . Ultimately, we are all children of a loving God no matter what church we go to ( or no church at all). God loves all of us. We all are on different points along our journeys and learn and grow through our individual experiences. I love that although some of your beliefs do not align with ours, you continue to be respectful and that is SO important. It makes me SO happy to meet snd learn about others who are just trying to do what is right and live a life of goodness, honestly, integrity, kindness, etc. Ir makes me SO SO happy to meet people who are devout in their religion. I feel a connection and respect towards them. Thank you for being a good example and representative of your Protestant faith and also showing respect to us. We are all from the same God and I think in these days where we continue to have tough times in our world, it is of critical importance for all those seeking goodness and godliness support one another.
I just wanted to mention you said something along the lines of Latter-day Saints believe that only we have access to the power of God. That is not exactly true. It’s a little tricky to explain. We believe every person born is born with the Light of Christ. aWe all can be influenced by the Spirit and receive inspiration.
The people speaking in sacrament usually are given a topic with scripture references that they study for a week or two before giving their talks.
The reason there is no music while the sacrament is being passed is because it is intended as a time of quiet reflection. A time for prayer ( quietly in ones own head), a time to review our week and see what we could improve on. It’s a time for each individual to contemplate their own relationship with Jesus Christ. It is a time to start again with a clean slate so to speak. It’s quiet so people can have the mental and spiritual space to look at their own lives and how they can become more like Jesus Christ Our sacrament meetings are intended to be a place of inner searching, renewing commitments to follow Jesus . It is meant as a time of quiet reverence, worship, respect, self-reflection, etc.,
And, for some reason there are lots of musically talented individuals in our church. But I do not sing well at all but it’s ok because singing the hymns is another form of worship. I often feel the spirit as I sing the hymns at church. Anyways, I think you are great and I am glad you are a pastor and have the ability to influence and touch the lives of others and help people to follow the Savior. Thanks for all you do.
The thing that really grabbed my attention is when you said that their hearts and minds was open, they was down to earth and just wanted to do their best in worshipping the lord. That right there is the best explanation you can give of the people in the lds faith, and I personally believe that of other people in other faiths that have a legitimate desire for God. I am LDS, I haven't gone in a long time because of health and crowds. I do miss it. I have had a mindset myself that the ordinances are not the actual thing that does everything they are described to do, but they are at the same time. Ultimately it's all God and his power period, but with that being said I still believe they are necessary. I look at them has our personal sacrifice unto God or us carrying our own personal cross / carrying Jesus cross with him. In short giving away our earthly / fallen ways to take upon ourselves the name of Jesus. That's the same way with the priesthood for me. Do I believe the priesthood is legitimate? Yes, but the power comes from God himself. I don't believe everything has to be done a certain way or be a perfectly upstanding person in order for anyone to see the power or love of God. 99% of the people in the Bible was sinners to a high degree that God saved them from themselves and made into great people. I never agreed that you had to do everything perfectly in order for God to be in your life. A father doesn't stop being a father just because his children are misbehaving. A father doesn't abandon his children and stop providing for them when the child isn't doing everything perfect. That kind of mindset only brings shame and future dark paths. Keep doing what your doing pastor, I look forward to your videos.
I'm sorry about the comments in class!🙈 That made me cringe; I'm LDS and was kind of wondering during your video if something like that would happen. All I can say is that the power and love of God is for everyone and is experienced by people of all faiths. We're all doing our best to learn and don't always express ourselves well or understand things thoroughly. Since we can all speak up in class and discuss things together sometimes it veers off into people's opinions or best interpretations of doctrine. When I really want to make sure I know what the church's actual doctrine is I read the scriptures, Come Follow Me, or a conference talk. It's not always explained 100% at church. But I go to church to take the sacrament, and I think it's good for all of us to go there and worship together. I've probably said things in a cringy way when I've given talks so I can't really criticize, but as soon as you started talking about the discussion in class I was cracking up / embarrassed. But we're all doing our best!😁
That was really fun to watch! I was definitely surprised to go to a nondenominational church once coming from the Church of Jesus Christ, so I have a lot of empathy for that new experience. I also would love to come to church with you all. I we live in Missouri too, and we are excited for the Bentonville Arkansas Temple open house, which you could come and see!❤️
I served my LDS mission in the Chicago area (28 years ago). We were invited on many occasions to preach the gospel in Baptist churches. It was great to share the Word of God. What a great experience.
I can appreciate your wise and kind comments on the Church. You have a very good memory to remember things so specifically. I will say, the one thing that may have been missed are the opening and closing prayers that are given during every meeting within the Church.
I'm you enjoyed the meetings, and appreciate your willingness to learn.
I will say though, every individual who believes and loves The Lord and has His Spirit with them, has as much opportunity to self revelation and gifts from our Heavenly Father as any member of the Church. You don't have to be a member to be close to Our Father, because He loves all of us equally, member or not.
Thank you for your informative and respectful videos. I am an LDS convert and love the way you handle the subject matter. God bless you.
You looked sharp. Glad the sun was shining. I had to walk through 4 inches of snow to get to church today. So happy you went, and I enjoyed your recap. Yes...a special thanks to your wife and kids for sharing you with us.
howdy wade . you and another comment referred to the pastor's wife and kids also sharing their experiences . where did you find his wife/kids comments , or am i reading too literally into your(s) comments .
@@johndouglasdahl It wasn't that Pastor Jeff's wife and kids shared their experiences with us, but rather they shared Pastor Jeff with us. In other words, they sacrificed their time with Pastor Jeff so that he could attend the LDS services and post for us a video about his experience.
I love this! Thank you for coming to our church! I wish more people would come and see for themselves that we are a group of imperfect people who love Jesus Christ, that we go to church to worship Him and are trying to follow His example. I love visiting other churches as well and also talking to people about what they believe. I've learned from and been inspired by people from other faiths. This was a very well done and respectful video.
Hi Jeff! I want to thank you for your openness to what you’re learning and your truly fair interpretation of what you are learning. As you conduct your investigation of the Church, I would invite you to add one extra step to your investigation and search not just to expand your understanding, but, more importantly, to learn for yourself if it’s true, which really would be the most valuable knowledge you could gain throughout this whole process.
I actually wanted to make one comment. You mentioned that during the second hour meeting you heard commentary that one would only have access to God’s power if temple covenant are made. In truth, as you accurately stated, God’s power and influence is available to all. No one faith or religion has a monopoly on it and all have access to it. It is through that power that we can all learn the truth of all things. We refer to that as the Light of Christ, and it is available to all! To receive higher, and constant, access to the power and influence of God, however, requires us to make covenants with God. For example, the first covenant we make in the church is through the ordinance of Baptism and the receiving of the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Through baptism (by one having authority), we covenant with God that we will take upon us the name of Jesus Christ, to always remember him and keep his commandments. In return, the Lord covenants with us that we will always have his spirit to be with us, which is having the constant presence and influence of the Holy Ghost in our life (see Book of Mormon, Mosiah 18:8-10). After Baptism, we receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost (also by one having authority). It is only through the power and influence of the Holy Ghost that one can receive a personal witness of the divinity of Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, or, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is what we (boldly) proclaim it to be: the true church of Jesus Christ on the earth today. Or, in other words, it is only through the Holy Ghost that we can learn the truth of all things. We never ask anyone to just take our word for it nor will we ever try to to convince anyone of it…because we can’t. It doesn’t work that way. Conversion, or testimony, is a personal experience that happens only between you and God. What we can do is teach, bare witness (or testimony) and we can (and do! 😊) invite all to learn for themselves.
Anyway, I think the point that was meant to be conveyed in the meeting was that covenants are necessary to open up the windows of heaven beyond what can be attained without them. I hope that helps clarify. Again, I appreciate the honest and unbiased exploration you’re taking in your journey. It really is refreshing to see people learn and investigate without predetermined conclusions or biases. I hope you keep looking and learning! Thanks!
I am so grateful for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! The feelings I have received and get from hearing talks and testimonies in sacrament meetings and other church classes have helped me to be a better person! The church is true! The spirit has born witness to me so many times in so many different settings I cannot ignore those feelings!!
Pastor Jeff thank you for being so kind and honest about your personal experiences and thoughts. I’d also like to add, your Come Follow Me videos are very helpful for my personal study! Love hearing the scriptures from your personal & educated viewpoints. Hope you and your family have a blessed week.
I wish more people were open minded like you. I searched for a church for a long time went to many different denominations and ended up as a latter-day Saint. I totally respect your journey and your videos and channel for what you’re doing. At least it may dispel a lot of myths that people might have. I liked and I subscribed.
Love this Pastor Jeff. I can’t tell you how refreshing this is as a LDS person. I want to come to your church
You are really cool and respectful of the faith you are exploring. I am LDS. Thanks, and keep being nice.
Thanks so much for making this video! I’m a convert to the church and it reminded me of what I thought and felt my first time, attending Sacrament. Very different than what I was used to.
I truly appreciate you going in with an open heart and mind and sharing your experience with your audience. This could do so much to dispel the misconceptions many have of what our faith is all about.
This is the first of your youtube videos I have seen and as a member of the LDS church, I love your very Christian approach to promote understanding, collaboration and kindness among the various Christian faiths. As followers of Christ, we have so much understanding and opportunity to bless and serve our respective communities and I think you are contributing in an awesome way! Thank you!
I love your videos! It's so refreshing to hear someone talk about the LDS Church without negativity. The non-judgmental approach when explaining your experiences is the reason I continue to watch your videos. A little kindness goes a long way ❤️
I am "LDS" and I want to thank you for making such a friendly and kind video. What a great service you are doing to connect Christians together! I liked your perspective and I felt you were honest and tactful about how you felt.
Thanks for a open, honest discussion about your visit
Pastor Jeff is doing a great service in discussing the differences in LDS & other Christian Faiths. Really enjoy these vid clips.
I love sitting in a congregation when everyone is singing together. I think it's very powerful. I do have some holy envy for protestants who have high church worship and of Catholic mass. I wish we listened to professional speakers/teachers sometimes, though I see the value in everyone from the congregation participating and having opportunities to bear testimony.
It is frustrating when people don't prepare well. But it can still be an uplifting experience.
In those times I do think it is important to listen to the spirit
Thank you Pastor Jeff for your videos. I am a lifelong member of the LDS church. I really enjoy learning more about your beliefs and learning more about other churches. God has truly blessed you.
Just wanted to let you know that your TH-cam channel is currently my favorite TH-cam channel. I really appreciate your open-mindedness and I enjoy learning from your perspective on things.
I'm looking forward to more great videos!
Thank you for the respectful time you're taking to do this channel. It's refreshing, and I truly appreciate hearing your perspective.