If your "how to develop plugins" video contains "hand that off to the dsp-wizard" and "it's a black box mystery to me" it's not a "how to develop plugins" video.
Yeah fr I got 5 mins in and I felt let down haha. Do you know of any good videos or articles online that go into detail about “developing” a plugin from scratch?
I agree on this comment. I was looking for more code level "how to develop VST plugins" in whichever language. I am a developer but not much experience with C++ or whichever lang used to make VSTs. Any direction to give us on who the actual developer is for those of us that'd like to try finding a resource on actually coding a plugin from scratch? I see replies are perhaps hidden on the other comments asking about the developer...
Very cool video and can't wait for the plugin to be out! I was wondering if your developer has a channel of his own or any insights for learning DSP. Been trying to get into coding software plugins and it would be really cool to see the entire process sometime
Why is the title "how to develop.." when this is just a breakdown of the design? Not a bad video, but the clickbait title makes it annoying when you're looking for videos about developing vsts
How to develop a plugin: tell developer to develop plugin! lol all jokes aside this is great insight into how to iterate through a project while delegating to a team, thanks
After viewing an other video of yours, where you were talking about how to achieve a good and clean loudness, using a clipper, you mention that you were planning to build your own clipper. So I bought it. I was really please that it came with 4 of your X series...))) But that Clipper has changed how I now approah loudness. Until then I was using Limiter, and really never was satisfied with the end result. Clipper is a game changer....plus your tip about using it on the buse. Yesterday I went to get your Low Control. Sound that's going to be a great one also. Keep up the good work, and thanks a great deal.😇
in that case i'd suggest the developers to use shelve type filters instead of cuts, so that they can use filter architectures in which resonance actually cause a bit of feedback while minimizing phasing
The plugin looks very useful, the only thing that would be good is to know if you will see a discount for those of us who have all your plugins, thanks for your time!
Q: "How to build plugins from scratch". A: Give it to the wizard... "it's a complete black box mystery to me". lol I feel totally informed now :) Sorry - being cheeky - I actually enjoy watching your videos it just made me laugh :)
At first I was thinking to myself "I already have several plugins like this", but as you started moving the parameters, I was thinking about how many parameters from my existing plugins that I'd have to automate to achieve the same thing. This comes off as a more convenient form of getting the same sounds I already get otherwise. The only thing I could find useful for adding to this is a separate mix knob for the distortion. Maybe a knob inside of a knob, or a second knob beside the overall mix knob. I may want to have have separate blend amounts for the eq curve as well as the distortion without loading two instances of the plugin. Overall, nice job.
I had a friend who was some middle manager at IBM. He sure thought he knew about project management with all his buzz words "high level" language. I had been a project manager for 3-4yrs, also the developer of the project and wrote a lot of it. This high level stuff is useful for developing complex projects but it really comes down to top down deaign vs bottom design.
Isaw one plugin from analog obsession with great sound but cheap looking UI, so I decided to remake it for myself, at the end I realized I'm good at it, so I think I might make something myself
As a recording and mixing engineer and former software engineer, I've always thought I should try to develop my own plugins but never took the time to seriously look into it...
Thanks for sharing this great video. I think the UI is simple and masterful! I feel like the "aesthetics" of the final blue on light gray are a bit low contrast, though. My eyes prefer the plainer, alpha version.
I have a question relating to step two of this video. Would you have any advice on how to identify and connect with a DSP engineer/plugin developer for a project? I am looking to develop a plugin but I'm new to the process. Thank you for any feedback and for the great content that you create.
I might be a little late to the party here, but as someone who is interested in doing something like this, what kind of cost or budget could I expect to have from start to finish? It sounds like there were quite a few people involved in making this happen.
Heh, try coding dsp for more than 2 days and you'll be really tired of that horrible UI 😅 It's the standard development UI that you can activate without having to code anything...
That's definitely the hardest part! I got a little bit lucky finding the guys from YUM Audio. The key is to get yourself out there and make connections with people. Usually it's someone knows someone who knows someone else, etc..
I'd love to know this too! I have some ideas for myself, and likely not marketable - but would love to create one but have no idea where to start or who to trust. That would make a great next video!
This was just great! Eventually I'm hoping you can replace all plugins with these simple, quick to use plugins - for us songwriters that just want to put out a radio-ready song, mixed and mastered with just a few BS plugins. All without the need for endless practice as mixers.
Awesome. Really like the idea behind this plug-in. Question: when making this plugins and determining the minimum and max, do you set those with the mindset of you could potentially see yourself using the max setting on certain things or do you set them with the idea that, this definitely would be too much so I would just dial it back a little? I notice I find on other products of yours, like low control and escalator, that I don’t ever end up using more than 20-40% of its max and i was curious if you have situations where you’ve gone beyond that.
Thanks for the question Brady. This was something that we got quite a bit of feedback on after the release of Low Control. Most people don't go beyond the 30-40% so we tried to address that with Oxygen and TeloFi. We want it to be as satisfying as possible to crank up the effect so we try and make our max setting feel like you'd never need much more than that but still allow for a little extra. Hitting that sweet spot is something we will always try and refine with each plugin. - Shawn
Very cool stuff. I'm curious though, you spoke about having to recreate your telephone effect chain each time. Why not just save a track preset in PT with your chain ready to go? Or alternatively, you can save the fx track in a mix template so it's always there when you start a new session, or you can import session data from the template, or any other session that had the chain in it.
Thank you for sharing your company's process for creating new plug-ins. It's awesome to see this level of detail. I'm also wondering if you'd be willing to share some insights as to the legal agreement between your company and the DSP developers/software engineers, especially around the intellectual property rights of the functionality of your plug-ins. Thanks!
DESCRIPTION: a guitarist spends 10 minutes to explain that "computers are magic" and that he doesnt know how to program ANYTHING. and that his understanding of signal processing is neanderthalic at best.
Hey, thanks for this insight! What do you use for the licensing system? I'm working on my own VST instrument and trying to figure out the licensing system. Thanks in advance for any help :)
Are there any fb groups out there or resources out there to find developers? JUCE/plugin dev is such a niche, that it’s super hard to find freelance or scout out someone to get for development. Any insight?
"How to develop plugins" == "Pay somebody else to implement a DSP chain that could be conceived in the time it takes to tie your shoes" sums up this entire video lmao
How do you find people to work on the DSP side of a plugin. I've been producing for 12 years now and mixing as well and like you I've ran into so many of these things.. I would love to develop or help develop some plugins but how do you find people to work on the back end?
The title is misleading. You didn’t make a plug-in. You had an idea and sent it to someone to build it for you . I thought you were going to show us how to build it ourselves from beginning to end
You guys should probably let everyone know thru your website that you won’t accept them for teaching anything at all if they’re doing any music other than heavy metal and or rock. It will save them time online answering questions and filling things out on your site
TELOFI is available now! 40% off for a limited time. Go check it out at blacksaltaudio.com/telofi
If your "how to develop plugins" video contains "hand that off to the dsp-wizard" and "it's a black box mystery to me" it's not a "how to develop plugins" video.
Thank you for saving my time, so I dont have to watch this video
Yeah fr I got 5 mins in and I felt let down haha. Do you know of any good videos or articles online that go into detail about “developing” a plugin from scratch?
Agreed
Agreed! No C++ code either
Showing off your Trello and Figma files, then jumping off to final product is NOT "How to develop plugins from scratch"
Would have liked to have seen the steps the developers do too!!
Just watch the Matrix :P
@@shawnbsathe who?
The only reason I came here
Really awesome insights, I would love to see your some insight from the developer on the actual coding side of it as well!
i'm not the programmer of this developer, but come to my channel for stuff that happens on the programmer side in general :>
I agree on this comment. I was looking for more code level "how to develop VST plugins" in whichever language. I am a developer but not much experience with C++ or whichever lang used to make VSTs. Any direction to give us on who the actual developer is for those of us that'd like to try finding a resource on actually coding a plugin from scratch? I see replies are perhaps hidden on the other comments asking about the developer...
@@baceghost juce framework would be a good start
@@baceghost yup if you find one i could use it
Exactly! I thought that’s what this video was going to be about. 😟
Congratulations. We love this channel and the plugins.
Very cool video and can't wait for the plugin to be out! I was wondering if your developer has a channel of his own or any insights for learning DSP. Been trying to get into coding software plugins and it would be really cool to see the entire process sometime
this is super cool. i've been wanting to see how people develop audio plugins for so long. thank you!!
Why is the title "how to develop.." when this is just a breakdown of the design? Not a bad video, but the clickbait title makes it annoying when you're looking for videos about developing vsts
I'm stoked on the TeloFi launch! Congrats to everyone on the team!
Super cool video. I’ve been actually wondering what the process was to make a plug-in
How to develop a plugin: tell developer to develop plugin! lol all jokes aside this is great insight into how to iterate through a project while delegating to a team, thanks
After viewing an other video of yours, where you were talking about how to achieve a good and clean loudness, using a clipper, you mention that you were planning to build your own clipper. So I bought it. I was really please that it came with 4 of your X series...))) But that Clipper has changed how I now approah loudness. Until then I was using Limiter, and really never was satisfied with the end result. Clipper is a game changer....plus your tip about using it on the buse. Yesterday I went to get your Low Control. Sound that's going to be a great one also. Keep up the good work, and thanks a great deal.😇
I would have gone for a stylized/embossed telephone handset shape with the two big knobs with them being the speaker/mic
Holy smokes this is amazing. exactly what many of us were wondering when it comes to making these things.
You should add a control for the resonance peak of the filters! To me that's often when the magic is when dialling that effect
in that case i'd suggest the developers to use shelve type filters instead of cuts, so that they can use filter architectures in which resonance actually cause a bit of feedback while minimizing phasing
Very cool! Thanks for sharing this!
The plugin looks very useful, the only thing that would be good is to know if you will see a discount for those of us who have all your plugins, thanks for your time!
Definitely!
Q: "How to build plugins from scratch".
A: Give it to the wizard... "it's a complete black box mystery to me". lol
I feel totally informed now :)
Sorry - being cheeky - I actually enjoy watching your videos it just made me laugh :)
I think there aren't that many plugins that can do this kind of thing. Combining 2 to 3 plugins into 1 plugin and it's easy to handle is genius
At first I was thinking to myself "I already have several plugins like this", but as you started moving the parameters, I was thinking about how many parameters from my existing plugins that I'd have to automate to achieve the same thing. This comes off as a more convenient form of getting the same sounds I already get otherwise. The only thing I could find useful for adding to this is a separate mix knob for the distortion. Maybe a knob inside of a knob, or a second knob beside the overall mix knob. I may want to have have separate blend amounts for the eq curve as well as the distortion without loading two instances of the plugin. Overall, nice job.
Such a dope video to actually see what goes on behind the scenes of plugin development.
Looks really Nice !🙂
would be great to know how you found your DSP and UI developers and how many hours it took them!? 😁
In a previous video he said his Developers are from Yum Audio. They make great great plugins!
Super interesting! Thanks
I love good UI design. Kudos!
I love how the nerd glasses appear on the nerdy subject ^^'
That's so dope! 😎
nice way of organizing ideas :)
Super interesting! How many man hours went into the development of this plugin?
I had a friend who was some middle manager at IBM. He sure thought he knew about project management with all his buzz words "high level" language. I had been a project manager for 3-4yrs, also the developer of the project and wrote a lot of it. This high level stuff is useful for developing complex projects but it really comes down to top down deaign vs bottom design.
Isaw one plugin from analog obsession with great sound but cheap looking UI, so I decided to remake it for myself, at the end I realized I'm good at it, so I think I might make something myself
As a developer, this is pretty thin on details. Closest I got was "send it to the developer" 😂
This is awesome
As a recording and mixing engineer and former software engineer, I've always thought I should try to develop my own plugins but never took the time to seriously look into it...
Thanks for sharing this great video. I think the UI is simple and masterful! I feel like the "aesthetics" of the final blue on light gray are a bit low contrast, though. My eyes prefer the plainer, alpha version.
I have a question relating to step two of this video. Would you have any advice on how to identify and connect with a DSP engineer/plugin developer for a project? I am looking to develop a plugin but I'm new to the process. Thank you for any feedback and for the great content that you create.
TL;DR - "I pay someone who knows what they're doing to code it for me". Would definitely like to see more of the coding side tho.
I might be a little late to the party here, but as someone who is interested in doing something like this, what kind of cost or budget could I expect to have from start to finish? It sounds like there were quite a few people involved in making this happen.
frankly, the ugly mockup UI looks more appealing to me haha, but maybe that's cuz i'm a nerd
Heh, try coding dsp for more than 2 days and you'll be really tired of that horrible UI 😅 It's the standard development UI that you can activate without having to code anything...
Opportunity missed to make the graphics resemble an old rotary phone.
How did you find a proper programmer for this task? That seems to be the hardest thing for me to find.
That's definitely the hardest part! I got a little bit lucky finding the guys from YUM Audio. The key is to get yourself out there and make connections with people. Usually it's someone knows someone who knows someone else, etc..
I'd love to know this too! I have some ideas for myself, and likely not marketable - but would love to create one but have no idea where to start or who to trust. That would make a great next video!
This was just great! Eventually I'm hoping you can replace all plugins with these simple, quick to use plugins - for us songwriters that just want to put out a radio-ready song, mixed and mastered with just a few BS plugins. All without the need for endless practice as mixers.
You're totally missing the point.
You need the knowledge to get professional results. There's no one size fits all.
if you can, please add an output trim on the clipper plugin!
Hey dude, you shouldn't need an output trim, just set the clip ceiling to whatever you want the max output level to be!
Awesome. Really like the idea behind this plug-in. Question: when making this plugins and determining the minimum and max, do you set those with the mindset of you could potentially see yourself using the max setting on certain things or do you set them with the idea that, this definitely would be too much so I would just dial it back a little? I notice I find on other products of yours, like low control and escalator, that I don’t ever end up using more than 20-40% of its max and i was curious if you have situations where you’ve gone beyond that.
Thanks for the question Brady.
This was something that we got quite a bit of feedback on after the release of Low Control. Most people don't go beyond the 30-40% so we tried to address that with Oxygen and TeloFi. We want it to be as satisfying as possible to crank up the effect so we try and make our max setting feel like you'd never need much more than that but still allow for a little extra. Hitting that sweet spot is something we will always try and refine with each plugin.
- Shawn
@@shawnbsa makes sense to me! Thanks for explaining that.
Very cool stuff. I'm curious though, you spoke about having to recreate your telephone effect chain each time. Why not just save a track preset in PT with your chain ready to go? Or alternatively, you can save the fx track in a mix template so it's always there when you start a new session, or you can import session data from the template, or any other session that had the chain in it.
Give the plugin a try with the free trial... it's MUCH more satisfying
nice video, the graphics for the plug-in looks too clean for a filter plugin. hard for me to trust it. try going for a dirtier look next time
Thank you for sharing your company's process for creating new plug-ins. It's awesome to see this level of detail. I'm also wondering if you'd be willing to share some insights as to the legal agreement between your company and the DSP developers/software engineers, especially around the intellectual property rights of the functionality of your plug-ins. Thanks!
Hello, what developer helps you with these plugins?
Who do recommend for coding/programming?
DESCRIPTION: a guitarist spends 10 minutes to explain that "computers are magic" and that he doesnt know how to program ANYTHING. and that his understanding of signal processing is neanderthalic at best.
Hey, thanks for this insight! What do you use for the licensing system? I'm working on my own VST instrument and trying to figure out the licensing system. Thanks in advance for any help :)
What program did you use to create the User Interface? And how did you code it so that when you press on buttons it is functional?
What software do you use?
And what did you pay for all the stuff? about 2000?
Who is your Developer?
I would like to watch a video from the devoloper
Dialog on this video could use a d-clicker... lol.. Sorry, it's the engineer in me.
Are there any fb groups out there or resources out there to find developers? JUCE/plugin dev is such a niche, that it’s super hard to find freelance or scout out someone to get for development. Any insight?
What is the aproximate cost of developing a vst like this one? (or at least the cost of the developer)
"How to develop plugins" == "Pay somebody else to implement a DSP chain that could be conceived in the time it takes to tie your shoes" sums up this entire video lmao
Hmm ok you need some to design UIs
How do you find people to work on the DSP side of a plugin. I've been producing for 12 years now and mixing as well and like you I've ran into so many of these things.. I would love to develop or help develop some plugins but how do you find people to work on the back end?
That's the hard part... Just start doing some looking and making it well known that you're looking for them.
🔥❤️
You skipped the bit where you develop the plugin 😐
Blud this isn't C++
Sold.
I'm assuming you used JUCE?
Can you build a daw
I tried making this plugin a year ago and realized I can't do code
Step 2 develop the owl
step 1: have the idea
step 1.5: give the assignment to your dev
step 2: see what your dev did
your having a laugh right?
was literally just wondering why i havent seen a lofi plugin
A good one is Tape Cassette 2 by Caelum Audio
Ui is way too dark
The title is misleading. You didn’t make a plug-in. You had an idea and sent it to someone to build it for you . I thought you were going to show us how to build it ourselves from beginning to end
There is no "behind the scenes" here at all.....
More like "how to to conceptualize" a plugin. This has 0 'development' in it. Total clickbait
Probably the most lazy way they most likely even used juces prebuilt DSP fx
You guys should probably let everyone know thru your website that you won’t accept them for teaching anything at all if they’re doing any music other than heavy metal and or rock. It will save them time online answering questions and filling things out on your site