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  • @Oneydjak
    @Oneydjak หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Yeah, I love Kroxigor warspaned right now. They just fight hard, and honestly, I've been running non-reinforced raptadon chargers to pair with the krox blobs, and they make those warspawned hit really hard.

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Those smaller units of Raptadons make good screens also!

    • @JamesSerapio
      @JamesSerapio 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How are you fielding Krox? In 3s or 6s?

  • @lancekenyon489
    @lancekenyon489 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ended up playing against Carl in the 5th round of thunderstrike with my own seraphon! Great opponent and a super close game, Hunachi are amazing this edition!

  • @benbricio8407
    @benbricio8407 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I like 12 aggradons and the rest can be whatever else

    • @blkjet117
      @blkjet117 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Best looking figures in the entire AOS line, IMHO.

  • @Spudkliewer
    @Spudkliewer หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hey the meat wall was very strong i ended 2/3 but was from missplays on my part as i am very new to this style of army also cogs is for the reroll charge you can normally hit some long charges if you go second or charge in off the respawn from the slann

  • @bphero2064
    @bphero2064 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    biggest unseen suprise are the starblood stalkers. They cost the same as a starpriest, can also cast 1 spell, they get to ignore the first damage in each phase, get a 50% mortal wound in each shooting phase and to top it off you get a free saurus hero in the melee phase which has a 6 wound padding plus his own 2 points... all for 110 points...

    • @hamtaren
      @hamtaren หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But they are legends and therefore generally not playable in tournaments unfortunately.

    • @ЦветинПетков-й8ж
      @ЦветинПетков-й8ж หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hamtaren who cares, 99% of the playerbase doesn't play at tournaments

  • @sanhedrin
    @sanhedrin หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My experience with the Realmshaper has been positive. It's like having another spell. You can't zap a distant terrain piece any more, but it feels like it's more consistent at short range.
    I play reinforced Rippers. Good for tactics, cheap. But I'll replace them with a second unit of 10 Raptadons once I get them painted.

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think I need to be more patient. My opponent tends to deploy 3" away from any terrain... so I move away from my Realmshaper pretty quick! lol. I could probaly pop it off more times later in the game.

    • @sanhedrin
      @sanhedrin หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@CalebHastings It helps that I'm running Slann+Starseer, so I've got one guy back to hang out by the Realmshaper. But having your opponent deploy 3" out from all terrain means you'll have an easier time with the "take a terrain (with hunters of huanchi)" tactic.

  • @johnhildenbrand2642
    @johnhildenbrand2642 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like lizards riding dinosaurs, and I don’t terribly care if its good or not, I will continue to play them either way

  • @dalmont8099
    @dalmont8099 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have Lore of Celestial Manipulation in the list and kept throwing out Mystical Unforging. I've also moved to Coatl Familiar and Beast master.
    I played Brian with Nurgle in Tacoma last round. That changed my Seraphon a little. Still keeping guard and aggradons.

  • @windup13ird60
    @windup13ird60 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How have you found the Oldblood on Carnosaur? 4e and a really cool Spearhead box is making me think of finally trying Seraphon for myself. The trouble is, so much of its points are tired up on this big boy, and I don't see it on many of the lists here.
    I don't plan to play too competitively. Will it to work in a beginner 1k list? Can I buy two boxes and use all 1400+ points in your average 2k game?

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, it plays well in casual and friendly games.
      In my experience so far, it hasn't fared well in competitive tournaments.
      I tried it this past weekend with:
      Being of the Stars - unrendable monster!
      Incandesant Rectrices - heals D3 in my hero phase and yours!
      But... it still got killed in 2/3 games without ever really making its points back.
      But... at 270 (I ran the Scar Vet version), it isn't a HUGE loss if it dies. And if they have to pour some resources into killing it, those are points they aren't trying to kill your imortant stuff with! lol
      It does seem like our monsters (and alot of army's monsters) are struggling right now.

    • @Tadeo-hm4cy
      @Tadeo-hm4cy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed I have bought the vanguard well spearhead now and played against my brother’s slaves to darkness but had a lot more fun in 3e with it’s 2 commands per turn and good damage for points cost but it has felt laking for 340 points dealing less damage and without the 2 commands

  • @nicob.1477
    @nicob.1477 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I guess that simply the best list is a crowd of aggradon lancers paired with 2 scar veterans a little magician for the manifestations and maybe a few hunachi skins for the battletactics. I played a low point matchup around 1200 points with only aggradons and they hit with honour guard buff ( +1 hit +1 wound) and their rage tokens so hard. Dunno what could be stronger^^

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, when you can pour all the buffs into the Aggradons on the charge... they hit HARD! It is a beautiful thing!

  • @Wicknology
    @Wicknology หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Raptadon Spam has been successful for me. I started running 4x10 of them as a proper spam but I think the best overall list I have tried has been this:
    Slann General
    - 6 Aggradons
    - 20 Saurus
    Starpriest
    - 10 Raptadons
    - 10 Raptadons
    - 10 Raptadons
    its 1990 points, take it with morbid conjuration and the lore with run and charge, the shadow starhost for extra d6" move for the 3 packs of raptadons. Most of the time I start turn 1 with the asterism that gives all the companion attacks crit 2-hits because the raptadons alone have 30 companion attacks each that hit on 4s. Aggradons are a hammer, saurus are an anvil, and it has a solid 174 wounds on the table (not including when you can likely bring back some 5-packs of dead raptadons)

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Wicknology LOVE it!

  • @Healadin
    @Healadin 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do you gimp yourself if you put your Saurus Guard or your hammer units (cavalry) in the general's regiment?
    Or is it better to have the general's regiment empty of additional units so you deny the opponent a battle tactic, and nothing of you gets hit with buffed up enemy units?
    For example:
    Subfaction: Shadowstrike Starhost
    Spell lore: [Lore of Celestial Manipulation]
    Manifestation lore: [Morbid Conjuration]
    General's regiment
    Slann Starmaster (280)
    [Coatl Familiar]
    - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
    - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
    Regiment 1:
    Skink Starseer (150)
    - 10 x Raptadon Chargers (280)
    - 10 x Raptadon Chargers (280)
    Regiment 2:
    Saurus Scar-Veteran on Aggradon (180)
    Artefact: [Being of the Stars]
    - 6 x Aggradon Lancers (420)
    - 10 x Saurus Guard (220)
    1990/2000pts
    3 drops

  • @abyssaldragonslayer4389
    @abyssaldragonslayer4389 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seraphon has never had good damage spells outside of warscroll-specific ones like Kroak's spell and the Slann's Comet's Call. I don't know why GW is reluctant to give us good all-around spell lores, but I'm guessing they feel like with our high bonuses to casting they don't want us to also have super powerful spells to cast...
    Aggradons, Kroxigors, and Slann all look good. It's horrible what they've done to our monsters...again. Another weird GW hangup with our army is that they seem to be dead set on making our monsters either way too expensive or way too weak, especially compared to other factions' big beasties. They're also determined that everything in our army needs to be average to weak on the defensive side with only 2 3+ saves or better in the entire army.
    All in all, I like the core rules for 4th edition but the army rules feel very lackluster, especially compared to the glory days of Seraphon Thunder Lizard and Kroak Bomb in 2e. Hopefully they fix some of this with our army book.... in a couple of years when they're getting ready to release a new edition :P

  • @alias-yv2ro
    @alias-yv2ro วันที่ผ่านมา

    Any thoughts about saurus guard? Are they any good?

  • @d.c.4545
    @d.c.4545 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've been running a reinforced unit of ripperdactyls and they've been hard to make work so far. Gonna split them into 2 units today and reinforce the raptodons instead. The Bastilidons have been MVP every game. Running one of each and the Ark of sotek puts in so much work and hasn't died once.
    I'm also running 2 reinforced units of saurus guard around my slaan. They're pretty much indestructible, it took 6 rat ogors and 6 stormfiends to kill one unit last game. And I immediately brought back 5 the next turn.

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is awesome! I like that!

    • @d.c.4545
      @d.c.4545 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CalebHastings try splitting the rippers into two units, they scored me 8 points and held up the opponent for 2 turns. points well spent. The reinforced raptodons did literally nothing, just didn't need them this game. Try them again tomorrow.

  • @Ellarian891
    @Ellarian891 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Life goal achieved: I made it into a Caleb video!

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha, Nice!! :) Which list was yours?

    • @Ellarian891
      @Ellarian891 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@CalebHastings The 11th place at tacoma one, though i'll point out that TWO of my losses were to Brice 😅😅(he's an incredible player, i just felt victimized by the bracket!)

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ellarian891 Haha I feel ya! At the US Open here in Dallas, I did pretty well before the brackets... Then got destroyed in the bracket! Lol
      And I wasn't anywhere close to the top brackets like you!!
      Well done!!

  • @blkjet117
    @blkjet117 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm trying to build my first AOS list. Is it possible to build a Seraphon list that is at least fairly competitive for $500 or less (not buying directly from GW of course).

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Spearhead boxes would be the best value... but probably not the most competitive list from there.
      2x Spearhead Boxes = $145 each
      6x Aggradons = $120
      Hunters of Huanchi = $60
      Total - $470
      List:
      Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (330)
      [Beastmaster]
      - 6 x Aggradon Lancers (420)
      - 20 x Saurus Warriors (340)
      Skink Oracle on Troglodon (280)
      [General]
      [Incandescent Rectrices]
      - 6 x Kroxigor (440)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Dartpipes (80)
      1980/2000pts
      2 drops
      BUT... only 1 spell cast seems a bit weak in this edition... so if we could get a Slann in there, maybe we can make it better.
      Maybe something like this. Should run about $600 (GW prices... so cheaper on the second hand or FLGS market):
      Slann Starmaster (280)
      [General]
      [Coatl Familiar]
      - 6 x Kroxigor (440)
      - 10 x Raptadon Chargers (280)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      Saurus Scar-Veteran on Aggradon (180)
      [Beastmaster]
      - 10 x Saurus Guard (220)
      - 6 x Aggradon Lancers (420)
      2000/2000pts
      2 drops

    • @blkjet117
      @blkjet117 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CalebHastings Thanks for the helpful info. I was thinking of this list, that comes in at $470, and would appreciate any feedback.
      WM Old Scar on Carnosaur x1, Aggradon Lancers x6, Saurus warriors x10, Saurus warriors x10
      Skink Oracle on Trogladon x1 w/ Kroxigor x3, Stegadon x1, Spawn of Chotec x1
      comes in at 2,000 points,

  • @LT-vc1sj
    @LT-vc1sj 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi Caleb long time listener first time caller 😂 I have a 1500 point game saturday.
    Would you play a slann at that level? I’m tempted to switch for a Bastiladon with ark of sotek for board control. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks man

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah, at 1500 pts... the Slann's Celestial Reinforcements ability become even MORE valuable.
      At 2000 pts, bring back half a unit of reinforced Aggradons is bring back about 10% of your army.
      At 1500 pts, it is bringing back about 15% of your army.
      Not a HUGE deal, but the lower point value games you go down to, the more valuable summoning and recursion of units becomes.
      What does your list look like at 1500 pts?

    • @LT-vc1sj
      @LT-vc1sj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CalebHastings currently:
      Generals regiment:
      Skink star seer
      Bastiladon with ark of sotek
      Kroxigor war spawned (one unit of 3)
      auxiliary units:
      6 x aggradon riders
      1 x hunters of huanchi with bola
      Saurus guard (reinforced - ten in the unit)
      1 x skink star priest
      Manifestations:
      Primal rage x 3

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You could do both!! Reduce the guard down and you could fit in the Slann and Bastiladon.
      Slann Starmaster (280) [General]
      - 6 x Aggradon Lancers (420)
      - 5 x Saurus Guard (110)
      - 3 x Kroxigor Warspawned (220)
      - 1 x Bastiladon with Ark of Sotek (270)
      Skink Starpriest (110)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      1500pts
      2 drops

    • @LT-vc1sj
      @LT-vc1sj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CalebHastings will that be enough board control for objectives? Putting the ten guard on an objective would hold it points wise? I haven’t had much luck with Seraphon yet (haven’t won) so it’s all learning

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Guard ARE good in a 10 block... just keep them near the Slann to make sure they have their 5+ Ward.
      Aggradons are your Hammer. Slann+Guard are your Anvil. Everything else is board control pieces.
      The Krox Warspawned are probably the odd man out in that list. They will be more difficult to buff and like to be reinforced for max damage. Although... being able to throw the 3 Krox into something to die... and resurrect 2 of the m from the SLann is nice!
      If we go Krox-less... you could do something like:
      Slann Starmaster (280) [General]
      [Beastmaster]
      [Coatl Familiar]
      - 6 x Aggradon Lancers (420)
      - 10 x Saurus Guard (220)
      - 1 x Bastiladon with Ark of Sotek (270)
      Skink Starpriest (110)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      1480pts
      2 drops

  • @PurgingParrot
    @PurgingParrot หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any tips for 1500 (or even 1000) point list building? My play group are a bunch of college guys who can’t easily afford a big 2k list.

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Seraphon Vanguard box would be a good way to start: amzn.to/3MexyYP
      But, if I were to make a 1k list.... it might be something like this. A reinforced unit of Krox and Raptadons would be fairly formidable at 1k. Then the Hunters of Huanchi to score battle tactics. Skink Starpriest is ok... but mainly just there to be a wizard and unlock the battalion for the Krox and Raptadons.
      Shadowstrike Starhost
      Skink Starpriest (110)
      [General]
      [Coatl Familiar]
      [Beastmaster]
      - 6 x Kroxigor Warspawned (440)
      - 10 x Raptadon Chargers (280)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Dartpipes (80)
      - 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (90)
      1000/2000pts
      1 drop
      or... ya could just go max Aggradons! Haha. Cheapest Saurus hero + 12 Aggradons!!

    • @PeterBalfor
      @PeterBalfor 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tabletop Simulator. $20 and you can have all models as long as your main goal is just playing

  • @samdebacker2794
    @samdebacker2794 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you like to reinforce your krox or run a few smaller units?

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Both! A big unit is great to hold the center board. But a small unit (I like the normal Krox for smaller units) work great around the edges. Even just 3 Krox will handle smaller infantry units with ease.

    • @samdebacker2794
      @samdebacker2794 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CalebHastings looks like I'll need to get another box to add to my six models haha!

  • @patrickvondersaar4836
    @patrickvondersaar4836 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been loving my lancers but man foes it suck when they get strikes last slapped on them

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep! And there seems to be quite a bit of that right now. Lots of fight first/last.

  • @cobbil
    @cobbil หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's sad that of my two armies, the army with the eternal all-powerful slann have the worst spell lores.
    Hell, DoK has their own manifestations too!

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I HOPE that Seraphon gets its own manifestations eventually!!

    • @cobbil
      @cobbil หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@CalebHastings Its why I've been running Primal Energy. Its not the best overall, but its thematic for Seraphon.

  • @fyurian
    @fyurian หลายเดือนก่อน

    I must play very wrong because I get tabled with seraphon.

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha, happens sometimes! I just played a Stormcast shooting list and they removed two of my big units turn 1. I killed their screens bottom of 1. They got priority and killed off two more of my units. I was left with VERY little on the table!

    • @fyurian
      @fyurian หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CalebHastings mine was also vs SCE, it feels like they just get the same buffs but free when seraphon has to roll for it.
      And thx for a reply love the channel

  • @cryptobulldog2563
    @cryptobulldog2563 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Surprise MF (2000 points)
    ARMY
    Grand Alliance Order
    Seraphon
    Eternal Starhost
    2000 Points Limit
    Drops: 2
    Spell Lore - Lore of Primal Jungles
    Manifestation Lore - Krondspine Incarnate
    Regiments
    General's Regiment
    Slann Starmaster (280)
    • General
    • Coatl Familiar
    • Beastmaster
    Aggradon Lancers (420)
    • Reinforced
    Aggradon Lancers (420)
    • Reinforced
    Aggradon Lancers (210)
    Raptadon Chargers (140)
    Regiment 1
    Skink Starpriest (110)
    Raptadon Chargers (140)
    Raptadon Hunters (140)
    Raptadon Hunters (140)
    Faction Terrain
    Realmshaper Engine
    Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
    Exported with App Version: 1.0.1
    Data Version: v128

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cryptobulldog2563 Always Be Charging!

  • @steved.4816
    @steved.4816 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the guy looks like he's always smoking weed and drunk ....

    • @CalebHastings
      @CalebHastings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ha, just high on life!