The TRUTH About Milli Vanilli & MASTER MANIPULATOR Frank Farian | Fab's Triumphant New Beginning
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- I was a teenager when Milli Vanilli was at the height of their quick rise to fame and their quick downfall. It seems that everyone blamed them (Fab & Rob) for their lip-syncing scandal, but their producer, Frank Farian, was the one pulling the strings. It seems like a good deal of blame belonged to Clive Davis and Arista Records too. Why couldn't we see that back then?
It is great to see Fab Morvan moving forward and being successful in his music career. I wish that Rob could have been here to see it and enjoy it. May he rest in peace.
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I was always a Milli Vanilli fan at the age of 13 and I'm still a fan in my 40's . RIP Rob .
Ti, _Milli_ is how Frank used to call his then partner, Ingrid Segieth. Hence, the name, so you were closest with your 2nd hypothesis as to the origin of the act's name.
14:54 Emmaculate rendition of Phil Collins......Grammy material.
@natemickens88 thank you so much ❤️
I wish Rob could see how loved they still are. :(
It pisses me off how people like Clive Davis and Frank Farian use people and get no backlash .
Same here. They should have had a consequence to face, A. Tanyale.
Exactly
No backlash? google all the law suits and threats on his life. He did not get off that easy...
Heartbreaking how these 2 idiots Frank and Clive ruin these 2 beautiful young men lives. I still love them and they can’t be replaced
Im sure it's still happening in the industry just in a different way but the way Milli vanilly got Blocked is so sad and the person who started it all Kept going no hurt no harm nothing
When it was happening I was like who cares they can dance but everyone seemed so angry about it. We really let the media tell us who to dislike.
I wish that more people had felt the way that you did about it. You're right. It's sad how much the media can influence us sometimes.
I agree with you. MV is no different than the countless other artists who use studio cover-ups or digitally altered enhancements today. They were great entertainers, and I never thought bad of them. It's always the wrongdoers that criminalized everyone else.
@@mother2threeyoungs268 they were ahead of their time. Ironically they set the trend that most musical artists do now. It’s all about the show, not so much the musical talent and ability. Just like them. They put on a good show, they just did today’s stuff in the wrong era.
@@TisHotMessHistory Good Afternoon I remember when this happened. I wasn't a huge fan of the group, but I was also upset at what happened to them. Especially when I heard them sing with their real voices. I saw later interviews with Fab and he revealed how Frank wanted to work with both Fab and Rob and Fab rightfully refused. I have some trivia about Frank Farrian's ways. In 1988, R&B and Quiet Storm Trio Surface had wrote a song titled Don't Take It Personal and Arista's A&R had told them a group and their producer wanted to work on the song. The trio wanted to work with Frank in the studio but Frank refused and wanted the group to send him the tracks. The trio wanted Frank to either fly to the States or allow them to fly to Germany to produce the song with him. Frank refused and even Clive Davis tried to work things out but the trio said that if they can't work with Frank in the studio it's a no. Frank refused so they gave the song to Jermaine Jackson who scored his 2nd # 1 R&B single with that classic in 1989. The trio said that Jermaine was very easy to work with and at 1st he didn't like their songs but once he learned that they were written by Surface he had a change of mind and he decided to work with them with only 1 condition. That they record the song in the same studio where they recorded their album 2nd Wave and single Shower Me With Your Love at. The studio happened to be in a family's friend's basement in New Jersey
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293, they _weren't_ ahead of their time, as a video by another TH-camr has demonstrated (th-cam.com/video/mFWh2HV5T0s/w-d-xo.html ) and ( th-cam.com/video/GBwu23kzVfs/w-d-xo.html )
I can't believe Rob's adopted family, who had known him since he was 4 years old, turned their backs on him. Terrible. What a betrayal.
That never happened, his sister Carmen really love him.
Awful!
@@gabrielareyes4722 Carmen STILL loves him to this day. She speaks so highly of him. And you can tell she was VERY CLOSE to him.
But it says on many interviews..some of his family wanted him to change his name,and it says on behind the music rob himself says he ran away from home at 14..so it's very confusing 😕
Well, this explains why these young men never looked truly happy.
I agree. They hardly ever seemed to smile in any photos, DiamondPearl Gem. And I know that sometime they were supposed to be giving serious/sexy looks to the camera, but something in their eyes say more.
I totally agree with you
I always felt that way too! As a kid, I used to wonder why they looked so "scared". I truly thought that.
I'm glad Fab moved on from this and is doing good now
Same here. He really deserves to be doing well. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Terry Ulrich!
Your documentary did them well:)
Thank you for placing the blame where it belonged, on Frank Farian.
Rest in heavenly peace Rob🥀
Hi Lil Bat Ashlyn! Thank you for the compliment on my work. Thank you for watching. Frank was horrible.
Frank destroyed Rob mentally, he could not pull himself together, he said that he wanted to finish it but the producer did not agree ... 😠In my opinion, Frank is guilty of this tragedy
He sure is just didn’t protect him nothing he’s responsible for Rob’s death @@ewamv4583
This is the saddest story you have ever posted! I feel really bad for Rob Pilatus. May he rest in power!
It's a real tragedy! That Frankie guy played real dirty on these poor boys' lives! It's very unfair!
It's so sad how Frank cut the strings and never made a comment.
Frank needs to be in prison. SMH! All lies😡 this caused the death of one of these men.
He's definitely a dirty guy, netta keys!
Fab is still alive and performs live. He is a good singer and could have sung in the records had it not been for lazy greedy Frank Farian he should have jailed for scamming those boys and forcing them to lie to the rest of the world to make him rich. Instead he kept the money, kept making music and the shame only fell on Rob and Fab who were just as victims as everybody else.
I would say that your statement accurate. Now, he's German in Germany so how do we win. We go supernatural. You pray y fast. I'm a Reverend. Frank can fall.🤓🇮🇱
You’re right I agree with you
I still play their music on spotify. I feel bad for them
Yeah. It's great music. They were definitely done wrong. But Fab is thriving these days, so that's great. He has a great TH-cam channel. Thanks for commenting, L F!
@@TisHotMessHistory He's still got that deep french accent, too. It's cute.
You have heart ❤️ it's sad because Rob was murdered.
@@vanessapierce231 I thought he committed suicide? Tragic either way.
My great aunt was apart of boney m’s hair and makeup crew she said she always thought it was weird how they could never listen to sessions or even hear them hum frank made sure all they did was breath when around the staff
Wow! That is so crazy! Thank you for that bit of inside info. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Kissa MyAzz!
Which smells guilty. It's time for his world to unravel
Only Liz sang I believe
“We sold our soul to the devil...” YEP...
Exactly. So sad.
@@TisHotMessHistory The last letter Rob wrote was to Farian!
Most you tell is noncence. If Farian waa a devil he was never allowed to be present on Rob's funeral.
@@x.backer4995 Is that true: Farian was NOT allowed to be at Rob's funeral?!?! If that's true - then GOOD on the people who arranged this. All parties involved are to blame (some more than others).
@@mschoy1597 If he was a devil he was not allowed so he was allowed and was on his funeral and with a last goodbye of him and his wife on flowers. He was not the devil. He get Rob by payment out of jail (someone broke in his car, Rob hit him knock out). And Farian payed the treatment for Rob in the klinick. And Fab connected his family because Farian died. And let know on social media that he thanks him for The Milli Vanilli music. The whole team were big friends till Farian told the true because Rob & Fab wanted to sing now on the records, continue live concerts with introducing their own voices and more money. And Farian was also aware of the fact that the playback trick had no future anymore, besides were there rumours from the start.
The Phil accent was EXCELLENT🙌🏾! 🤣😭
😆 🤣 Thank you!
@Erykah Kane thank you so much. What a beautiful comment. Wow!
Everyone talks about that live show backup track skipping but no talks about how, why and who did it???
Exactly! This documentary on Milli Vanilli is mediocre at best.
Thank you for making this video! I loved Milli Vanilli and don't care that they were just front men because they were entertaining and danced really well. I feel that all of the singers should have received their credit and that the Grammys should be returned to the original performers. Frank Farian never got punished for what he did and he kept "producing" after this whole debacle and I just don't understand how. He should have been banned from the industry.
I still love Milli Vanilli songs, Rock on Fab!!!!!!!
Me too! Thank you so much for watching and commenting, L.A.X. Beats!
I’m from the UK🇬🇧 you did a very good British accent...the Phil Collins bit was too funny 😂
Well, thank you for the compliment on my accent. HAHA! I'm glad that someone could appreciate my humor. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Nads John!
She can sing too
you can listen to Ozzy musick and get it but sit with him over tea and?
This had me *rolling.* 😂😂😂
What Frank did was put together what the people wanted. He was rejected as an artist. Was it his looks? "Video killed the radio star." Right? "The beautiful people, the beautiful people." We are all to blame.
Yup
There have been plenty of unattractive artists who achieved great success. No excuse! And no, we are NOT to blame for what some people concocted behind the scenes...
This is still happening, today. Especially, with the advent technology there are deep fake or animated artist(s), auto-tune, etc...
Your commentary in the end gave me chills. Well done 👏🏽💯👍🏽❤ RIP Rob
Yes. RIP to Rob. Thank you for the beautiful compliment. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, pfriday!
Rob was born y Germany y he murdered.
I remember watching behind the music documentary on VH1 about this
Rob looked fabulous right all buff y exercising on the beach. He was in tip top shape. He was found murdered the day of his promotional tour.
Ti, first let me express my appreciation of your Milli Vanilli old school video. I really enjoyed it, brought back alot of memories about these performers. I was thrilled to know that Fab is not only doing well but looking "great," also! You did a great job researching the information on this video. Have a great weekend and hugs to your dogs! Take care 💞
Thank you for letting me know that you enjoyed the video, Brenda! Yes. Fab is doing well and looking great! It gives this story a happy ending. I appreciate your compliment on my research for this video. Even though we know that old school gossip is now my lane, the amount of research that I have to do makes it harder for me to get these videos out, but I enjoy the process. I'll hug the dogs for you! Have a great weekend too!
Thanks for this, Ti! It's one of those things that bothered me as a kid because I was a fan but never knew the full story. I blamed Fab and Rob for the scam but they were pretty much victims in this situation and the fact that it bothered them to lie to their fans speaks a lot to how things were moreso beyond their control. Great documentary and you did an excellent job!
Right AC! I didn't know the full story back then either. But it seems like American media wasn't interested in knowing the whole story. Thank you so much for the compliment! And thank you for coming to the premiere, Amrcn Cpprhd! It always makes me happy to see you! ❤❤
We all did sadly because at the time people in the industry could do what they wanted and get away with it now i look back on all this dude who brought milli vanilli out should have been the one outcasted he went on and they got did so bad and blacklisted so hard it was just horrible fab i love he kept going and he fought and hard cannot wait for the movie
So sad what happens to people when they are desperate and hungry to the point that they would do anything. I blame all of them because they all knew . Too bad the only people that fell was Milli and Vanilli. That’s why no matter what you do you gotta know that if it’s too good to be true it usually is.
Fab & Rob 1000% got used, abused and scapegoated by Frank Farian. To me, 21 at the time, the Milli Vanilli ‘experiment’ was as much about the image and dancing as it was about purely the sound.
Brilliant documentary on this subject. Top Class!
Rob was born in get y murdered.
You did quite a good job breaking down the Milli Vanilli situation. The only small thing I noticed is that Frank Farian never tried to give the impression that Rob and Fab fooled him and others. He fully confessed to the Los Angeles times that he is the one who had the initial idea 🙏🏾♥️
The worst part is that he is still being celebrated in the music industry, while Milli Vanilli took the brunt of the backlash and Rob died because of it.
Drugs, humiliation, and abandonment can confuse a person into believing fantasies. I think that’s why Rob went back. He just wasn’t in his right mind
Rob never should’ve went back to make music with frank farian that was a mistake I think frank farian set him up to kill himself didn’t both to help him nothing he should be shame of himself 😡😡😡😡
Brava Ti Said!!! This video was excellent!!! I also feel that C&C Music Factory and Black Box weren't as big as Milli Vanilli and that's why their lip syncing woes didn't reach the magnitude that Milli Vanilli's did.
Thank you so much for the compliment! Maybe you are right and C&C and Black Box. It's the only reason that I can imagine. Thank you so much for your comment, Cathy!
no they were big ...bbox was no 1 in several countries, cc wins AMA they just didn't win the Grammys like MV...
When I was young and heard about this scandal I was upset. But over time it just went away. But it took many years later when I understood the truth. That made me more upset.. it’s like those producers stole my childhood And how much more sad it was.
I really enjoyed your comment. Publicize your views more often about how they stole your childhood. Some kid y his mom said the same thing about Rob y fab on TV. Remember Rob was born in Germany y yes, he was murdered.
Years prior to his death, Prince was highly outspoken about the industry and those contracts. Unfortunately, I believe the industry had him silenced as a result.
A lot of people think that about Prince
Yes, that is the reason he changed his name from Prince to The "Symbol"
I never listened to prince but I have heard some of his songs broke down and he was speaking blasphemy against God. Prince was in it deep
@@quentinduhart1791 When entertainers speak about "God," they are not speaking about the "God" that the average person thinks of as "God." "God" is the powers that be.
@@monilaninetynine3811 Exactly, their GOD is code for the powers that be in the industry.
What if everyone reversed the blame and accused the real singers of not turning up to concerts?!
HMMMMM!!! I have never thought about that, and I don't think that anyone has ever brought that up to me. Good question! Thank you for commenting, Yanni Stath!
No shit. Great point.👍
Your British singing is HILARIOUS!!!!
😁 Delightful was the word that I had in mind, but I'll take HILARIOUS. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Brooke!!
I wasn't ready. Subscribed.
@@samanthaphillip7425 wow! Thank you so much for subscribing!!!!
This video has opened my eyes to the REAL Truth about the Milli Vanilli scandal, which I'd been entirely mislead by, so THANK YOU for finally setting the record straight!
Hi Elizabeth S! Thank YOU for watching and giving my channel a try.
@@TisHotMessHistory My pleasure :)
the obsession with singing live is crazy. Frank Farian obviously had great ideas, he did a lot of covers or sample's for Boney M's music and they always came out great, the issue with payments came because Maizie and Bobby didn't sing on the albums so they would never receive royalties for it so they probably became frustrated that Liz and Marcia were getting paid more but that's because their voices are recognized as part of Boney M. Frank did a really shitty thing with boney m though, he replaced bobby and then allowed the replacement to sing and the last boney m album is basically what frank wanted to produce for the bobby replacement a few years later the original members Marcia, Maizie and Bobby left and formed their own edition and released the song Everybody Wants To Dance Like Josephine Baker and frank sued them and was successful in claiming Boney M can only be used by him, he did that because the song was beginning to gain traction and was set to become their biggest 80s hit after frank failed to make hits for the band. I think this is why frank started with milli vanilli, he was missing that creative output of just compiling stuff in the recording studio and having models dance and mime to the recordings.
That is very interesting info on Boney M! It seems like Frank has been a sleazy guy for a long time. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, ColinsCity!
Frank Farian has been a TH-cam obsession for me the past few days as I have learned more about him. As an American, I was unfamiliar with Boney M my whole life but lately have been fascinated by their videos after they started coming up in my feed. Can we talk about cultural appropriation for a minute? Half of the Boney M songs I can find are disco mixes riffing off one catch phrase or another that Farian has recorded and played around with in the studio, like Do You Wanna Bump or Daddy Cool. The other half are covers of classic Caribbean tunes like Rivers of Babylon, Brown Girl in the Ring and Mary's Boy Child, and they counted as some of the biggest hits. I find nothing written by Farian that would count as a substantive lyric. Maybe you can consider Rasputin, which was co-written by Farian with two others, to be substantive (at least it tells a story). Also, consider this: The performers are all of Caribbean background. The guy who makes most of the money is the white German producer. For his next act after Boney M., Farian covers a song recorded by a hip-hop group in Baltimore and gets two impoverished men of African background to serve as his new band's frontmen. He hangs them out to dry when things start falling apart. There is something about what is going on in these transactions that I find especially brazen and callous. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be the final example of it in the music industry.
Unfortunately, this will definitely not be the last time. Thank you for your very thoughtful comment, G Strawley.
Great comments
So true. Enjoyed your reading. Don't know why it showed up in my feed, but I'm sure glad it did. Been hooked watching videos and researching the story
That's too bad because I loooove Boney M.
Michael Jackson been ringing the alarm about Clive Davis for YEARS!! And yet many still ignore him. I think ppl took notice when Prince was fighting his record label until he was able to record, produce and own ALL of this materials.
Glad Fab is doing good. I follow him on IG. RIP Rob & John Davis. Thank you for doing this video, I would love to see an updated movie about their lives.
Thank YOU for watching this video. A movie about them could be really interesting, Jacluv78.
This was such a great breakdown and your assessment of compassion for their experience was spot on. MV were the victims not the perpertrators. And That British accent Phil Collins impression...🤣
Their story is so sad. I was born in the early 90s so I wasn't around during their fame and downfall. I heard about them growing up, but I "discovered" their music a month ago. They were young and desperate, but I don't blame them at all. They were used as pawns in the game and wee set up to fail from the start. And the skipping track thing was most definitely sabotage. And I do believe Frank had something to do with Rob's death because German police initially ruled his death as suspicious because he was found with head trauma.
I read in another article that he was found on the floor with blood pouring from his nose and mouth. I do know some meds that will make you bleed from the mouth and nose if you take too much of it, so he coulda died from a brain hemorrhage as a consequence of taking too much medication, but idk, something doesn't sit right with his death. I mean yes, he was addict and had drug problems, but something is up with the conflicting reports.
Exactly. They were used as pawns. Interesting info on the death reports and Frank. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Lovely Doll!
Hi there, as you probably didn't hear - besides of what Frank did or not, after the scandal, when Rob start causing criminal problems and went to jail, Frank payed 600$ and took him out. Frank payed all his Flights back to germany and Frank payed his Rehab. Frank also payed his stay in germany. Frank - the evil - although he was producing smash hits for La Bouche and No Mercy ( Both No.1 in the charts ) produced also an Album for Rob! Before the vocals werde recorded Rob decided to go first for another rehab on Caribbean - payed by Frank - the evil. The day when Rob has to leave to the airport - he was founded by who? Milli, the friend of Frank. There was no body who took care of him except Frank and Milli. They we're the first who called emergency and police.
Donut get me wrong but there was absolutely no issue for Frank after all the help and pre produced album to kill Rob! Frank the evil never ever wanted someone to die. He is actually a simple guy who's talent is to produce records. All Frank wanted is to sell records. Though he was helping Rob through all the years without informing a press. Frank felt responsible for him. Rob had a huge past history in terms of suiccide. I think you can all accuse Frank but not that he did anything like killing Rob. God bless
Baby, your correct Rob was murdered so don't overthink it. Your right. I did Rob's death in 25 pages. I need you to think back I tell me where you said he was on the floor found dead. Also, try y find any sources having to do with the color green. See my text I posted today. I send my love y God bless you.
What magazine article said he was found on the floor. I need it to add to my 25 page research.
This is GREAT!! I love Rob and Fab ❤️
Thank you so much! I'm glad that you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Ladysugarshaft!
Rob was born in Germany y ultimately his death was a murder.
That producer really was the devil as fab says ..... he really drew them in and probably knew that once he gave them money there was no turning back for them ... I am glad that fab has turned his life around and he can sing well
I remember when this came to a head. I was like maybe 9 or 10😩
don't feel bad! you are younger than I! I was like, 13/14. I'm old! Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Reesie Outlaw!
I was only 6 but I still remembered this like it was yesterday. 😳😭😅
@@timmy841212 wow! You have a good memory!
Milli Vanilli lives rent free in my head. The older I get, the more sympathetic I am towards them. They didn't deserve what they got. I listened to their album Rob & Fab and I thought it was pretty good. It would've been a lot more successful had that scandal not happend. Fab always seemed like the stronger of the two. In watching their old performance clips I noticed Rob would often look to Fab for cues. I'm sad Rob couldn't find peace but I'm glad Fab was able to keep going. Great video!
I'm angry that this happened to them. It's PURE EVIL.
An excellent piece. I recall at the time of their exposure that there was credit given to the duo for their performance and breathing life into " Girl you know it's true" even if they only lip-synched. This view was not as common in the press but many people expressed this view in personal discussion. Thank you for your work. May Fab's life teach a cautionary tale, and his memory be a blessing. May Fabrice find continued resolve and resilience, and a peaceful life..!
It's good to know that at least in personal circles, people were giving them credit for their work. I'm so thankful to see Fab thriving in music. He has a TH-cam channel. Very inspirational and motivating content. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Bill Pincheon! And thank you for the compliment.
I’m glad I found this channel. I love hearing stories about old school shows, musicians etc. your channel is 🔥🔥🔥 keep em coming 💯
I thank you for giving my channel a try! I'm so glad that you are loving the stories. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, ClayBoogie WitDaHioodie! I release these old school scandal videos every Sunday. If you have time, come back at 4:00 pm CST. I'm premiering a new video live at 4, and then we are live streaming at 5!
Don't feel bad. I was in my late 20s, and all I wanted to do, was hear that song over & over; until it drove my darling mother nuts (I miss u, mom.) But, I give Rob & Fab, mad props for their honesty. And no, I did not seek any refund for that tape. $6, wasn't gonna make or break me. Not only that, I'm not surprised those two fellas were thrown under the bus. Farian, nor Arista wasn't abt to take the fall for that. That took courage for Rob n Fab. That con artist, found 2 men, who were foreign & black, knew little English & used them up. I felt bad.
So RIP Rob🙏🏾🌷💜✝️🎤.
I truly hope u found the peace, u deserved here on earth.
Rock on Fab✊🏾🎤💜💯
R.I.P. Rob Pilitas. You are now at peace. Fabrice Morvan, your success was THE BEST REVENGE....
It looks like this Frank character has A LOT to answer for. Either now or after life. He's going to answer. Regardless. God bless Rob And Fab.👍👍👍
It really does seem that way. He messed around with people's lives. Thank you for commenting, nstokes29!
…they both deserve redemption and he’s doing it for Rob…for himself…but for Rob as well…!!! Well put together documentary. 🥇🥇🥇
Thank you, you told their story so gracefully
Thank YOU for watching. And thank you for the beautiful compliment, Dana Bro!
That was so nice the way you covered their story. You have a great heart.
Thank you so much for the beautiful compliment, mierpub8lam!
The woman tried hard to relate a story yes but Rob was born in Germany y murdered.
OH MY GOD! YES! I asked my Dad as a kiddo why The Beatles, etc NEVER sounded like they were from Brixton????
I'm so glad to know that I wasn't the only person who thought this way, J.K. Benedict. HAHA!
@Ti Said what Ti Said I so respect you, your channel and your content! You have a very unique way of bringing a story full circle and your ability to shed light on places that have been crippled
And seemingly cursed with dark passes is such an amazing gift you have. Clive has a lot of blood on his hands
"MASTER MANIPULATOR", You hit the nail right on the head with this title.
Thank you very much, Dean!
Rob Pilatus was murdered.
Love your channel!!! Loved this one the best!!! Thanks for all the life learning moments!
I just heard about these guys a week ago and since then I've felt in love with them regardless of the scandals. They were amazing! Their story melt my heart and I can't stop feeling bad ever since.
Hi Ti. I can tell that you've really put alot of work into doing research for this video. I am especially surprised to hear that Girl You Know It's True, was a remake from a lesser known group. Lastly, thank you so much for such a lovely and touching tribute to Milli Vanilli.
I was only a child when the lip synching backlash was occurring during 1989-90. I didn't pay much attention to the scandal because I frankly didn't care that they weren't really singing on the CD.
Then in 1991, they made a Gum commercial, then in 1992 they released a CD with their actual real voices which I thought was actually cool. But it didn't sell.
In late 1997, VH1's Behind The Music did an episode on Milli Vanilli. And then suddenly, just several months later in April 1998, Rob Pilatus tragically Died in Frankfurt, Germany at the untimely age of 33.
That made the whole story tragic and heartbreaking.
C and C Music Factory and Black Box were sued by Martha Wash, the actual singer on the records. She was asked to do a demo, and the producers of both groups decided that she was too fat to be in the videos and replaced her with models. Martha Wash has such a wonderful voice. Image for MTV was important and even Ya Kid K with Technotronic was not in the Pump up the Jam because they thought she looked like a boy.
To be fair with Frank, at Rob's lowest low, he did help him out. He bailed him out of jail, he gave him money, sent him to rehab and for a while had plans to do music together again. But it was all too little too late, because a month after, Rob would relapse (?) and die in his hotel.
Thank you Ti! i enjoyed the documentary😍
Thank you for the compliment! Thank you for watching, Nolitha July!!!
Beautiful take on the journey of these men. How no one thought the company they worked for were the real deceivers is ao unfortunate. ❤✌🏼
Yes. It's so strange to me that people didn't put the pieces together when this happened. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, greenleaf!
Subscribed! I loved this one. What a challenging path they walked together. You really honored these brothas story. So happy to see the remaining member doing well.
You are so right. They walked quite a challenging path together. I'm so thankful to hear that you feel that I honored them well. Thank you so much for watching and subscribing, Moon Vera Cruz! I get these old school videos out every week, and I live stream a little during the week. I hope that you enjoy it here!
Rob was born in Germany y murdered.
when Ti said singin' in her "Phil Collins impression"......the cutest thing I ever heard in my life...LOL
LOL! Hi yannick! Don't mind me. I had no clue when I was a child. HAHAHA!
Milli Vanilli was about their complexion...in my opinion
It makes perfect sense that he'd go back to Frank. Nobody else would work with him thanks to the Milli Vanilli scandal. He was desperate and destitute. Victimized once again by Evil Frank Farian.
Their Behind the Music episode was the most famous one on the show.
Anyway I think the reason this didn't get BIG press (the Black Box and C+C Music Factory scandals) is because the singers they hid from view sued them quick (Loleatta Holloway on Ride on Time and Martha Wash on Strike It Up, Everybody Everybody and Everybody Dance Now).
Interesting reason for their stories not getting so big...because the singers sued quickly. Thank you timmy841212!
@@TisHotMessHistory You're welcome 🙂
@@timmy841212 😊
Rob was born in Germany y murdered.
Great video...as usual💯💯
Thank you Marietta!!!!! ❤
Loved the commentary. Didnt realise the truth all these years until you presented it. Corruption is all around in the world and so sad for the victims.
Sorry I couldn't catch the premiere, but this was a great video 🙌🏾 keep up the good work 👏🏾🙏🏾
Thank you so much, Lady Yana!!!! I really appreciate the compliment!
You are the Barbara Walters for the people. Im so glad Ive discovered your channel the othere day, I've seen about 14 episodes so far. Be well sis!
I'm so glad that I found this channel.
Same. I just subscribed and I’ve been hooked!!❤️❤️
When Clive Davis was brought up, it reminds me that there's a picture of Whitney meeting Fab and Rob. Makes you wonder if she knew about them lip-synching and what her reaction was to the revelation. Would she be surprised like everyone else or be more understanding due to what Clive had done to her? Anyway, it's a shame both Whitney and Rob are gone.
This was great.. I would love to see a video on how black box used Martha Wash voice. New sub
I really appreciate your compliment! I actually have Martha Wash on my list. My goal is to get one of these old school gossip videos out every Sunday. If I am able to stay on pace, I will have that Marsha Wash video out for you by the end of February/beginning or March. Sometimes the research alone takes me more than a week. Thank you so much for watching and subscribing, tradeMarcFortune!
By the way, in addition to these old school videos, I live stream a lot during the week. I hope that you can join us for a live stream some time. In case you are interested, Oran Juice Jones live streams with us every other Thursday night. I hope that you enjoy it here!
Gurl😝 your british accent was amazing sweetie frfr 💯. I really appreciate the research you do also. I'm catching up on your videos now, love to you from Texas ❤️
LOL! I'm glad that you like my British accent. I'm thankful that you are enjoying my content. Much love to you from Texas as well.
Ti you have a beautifully toned voice.....I wasn't aware...pretty good!
Hi Bobby Mobay. What a beautiful compliment. Thank you so much.
This was so well done and emotional 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Hi Mynameisstacey! Thank you so much!
Rest in Peace, John Davis. I don't blame it on the rain -- I blame it on Frank Farian.
Amen and right on.
Thumbs up.
That Phil Collins thing you explained made me burst out laughing 😂
It baffles me how Frank Farian can look in the mirror every morning without feeling ashamed of himself. Unbelievable what people do out of sheer greed for money!
This was an awesome video and it brought back lots of memories. Thanks Ti 😘
I'm so glad that you enjoyed it, Ms. Bee! Thank YOU for watching!
I’ve just discovered your channel and I’m a big fan already! I look forwards to checking out all your videos!
Thank you so much for giving my channel a try! I hope that you find some other videos that you like. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, James Shells!
Such a shame that someone like Frank would trick people into thinking that they sung the music, when they really didn't. But it doesn't matter anymore, as Milli Vanilli's music is honestly timeless and I just got into their music recently. May Rob rest in peace 💝
I am dying. I can't believe you just did an 'English' Phil Collins. Brilliantly, I must add.
Well done! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤❤❤ This was my era. Brought a tear to my eyes.
This was a beautiful story Ti.
Thank You.🌈
This video is amazing! Thank you!
What a beautiful tribute. I was working too hard back then, and didn't pay much attention to the specifics. I do remember reading about Rob's passing and feeling sad. Then I discovered Fab and, man, he can sing! I think he sounds better than the OS. Although Rob isn't here, I like to believe he is Fab's Guardian angel.
Rob Pilatus was murdered. You have reason to feel sad. He was found dead with multiple head wounds. Rob was born in Germany y.
I hope you’re right about that cause I think Rob’s death was an accidental overdose to me@@vanessapierce231
Amazing job on the research and putting this together. Well done 👍
Thank you so much for the compliments. Thank you for watching and commenting too, Phantom096!
Thank you that was really kind.
I appreciate your kind words. I'm glad that you enjoyed this. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, robe lo!
Beautiful piece. Thanks for clarifying their tragedy and redemption. I will listen to the original and watch their videos.
Thank you so much for the compliment! I know that some people know the truth, but not everyone who knows the first part of the story. You can support Fab here on TH-cam. He has his own channel. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Mitchiko Parrish!
Rob was murdered found isolated y alone with multiple head wounds.
Rob was murdered y born in Germany.
The way you broke this down made all the sense in the world.
Rob was murdered y born in Germany.
I agree with the commentator. Milli Vinilli were the front puppets
They most definitely were. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Empress H!
What happened to Milli Vannilli was tragic! So what if they lip synched? LOTS of singers do it now! So what? Milli Vannilli does it and its a crime? Oh please! They were great dancers and showmen, and THAT'S what made their concerts! The audience certainly didn't mind. It breaks my heart what happened to Rob. He's gone now. I don't know how their Frank Farian can even sleep at night, knowing what happened to Rob. He caused what happened! Rob could've still been here with us.
And a man committed suicide behind the shame that wasn't due to him... The evil of these manipulating demons in the industry knows no bounds.. I ALWAYS said it wasn't their fault. And, surprisingly, they could REALLY sing.
You are right. The entire situation was just wrong. Thank you so much for watching and commenting, Lord Darth Deth!
Lord, hello. Rob was murdered not a suicide or drug overdose. He was found dead y alone with multiple head wounds. He was also born in Germany.
@@vanessapierce231 I can believe it. Thank you. So much was wrong with the "official" story.
Love your comment @@vanessapierce231
So JLO used Ashanti and other Black female artists voices and no one is saying anything about that?
JLO is a ghost singer
I heard Fab sing "girl you know it's true" in their own voices once on TV after the truth came out. He could actually sing. He just had an accent.
Great story! It’s so sad that they were rejected by those closest to them when they needed them most 😢
Thank you, you have dedication.
Great Story; They were done wrong,,,
Yes. They were done SO wrong. Thank you for the compliment on the story. Thank you for watching and commenting, luvnlife18!