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- During and after the Spanish Civil War, Fascist forces under Francisco Franco murdered tens of thousands of Republicans and buried them in anonymous graves throughout the country. Almost a century later, those bodies are still being exhumed - and the question of how to deal with Franco’s brutal legacy is more sensitive than ever.
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Ive always wondered if my grandfather is buried in a grave like this in Greece when the Nazis invaded during WW2. He was arrested 1 day and never seen again.
Condolences on your Grandfather's disappearance. May the memory of your living Grandfather always be a blessing. 🌹🕊🕯
@@carlettesouthern-robert2992 he shouldn't have been supporting communism
My condolences from another Washingtonian
Wow!
*Germans
"I am not a historian"
is what fascists say EVERYWHERE when faced with evidence.
thats gotta be my favourite brand of fascist, the sniveling pathetic coward that cant even actually admit to the things the regimes he stands for verifiably did. but atleast there in the end he was honest for once. "im no historian, in fact i have absolutely zero clue about history whatsoever. i am a politician". yeah exactly.
they don't believe in anything, they just roll with whatever works, like how franco banned the fascist salute after nazi germany fell
And it's not even relevant. Like why should they be historians lmfao? Historians teach us about whay happened, so that not every one has to be one, and the work historians do is spread widely throughout society. I really don't understa d why these fascist dumbasses think you need to be a historian to know about the past
Everything a fascist says is strategic.
@@thug588says the people who lost the war
I'm grateful for the reporter's courage and persistence in debunking the fascist party leader's denials.
Journalist didn't even give him an opportunity to respond to his questions. He came at him like it was a debate, not an interview, and heavily edited on top of that. No wonder vice is going bankrupt, they don't care about doing proper journalism or offering all sides an equal voice, they just want to push a narrative. Good riddance to vice news.
@@gamerdrew2761Fascists don’t deserve any good faith debate. They only deserve an early grave.
not all reporters are cowards thankfully.
@@AnswersonapostcardThis isn't the BBC and nobody was impartial when it came to the Nazis after the first few years. Bad people and bad ideas need to be challenged. He did a fantastic and brave job.
@@Answersonapostcard Reporters are supposed to report facts, not just let people make whatever claims they want.
Watching Norberto Pico sit there on camera and deny every single atrocity committed by Franco and his supporters is terrifying, and it's even more terrifying that he isn't alone in doing so.
It isn't enough to simply not listen to these people, because they'll keep spouting their rhetoric regardless. They must be actively opposed, challenged and shut down at every opportunity, otherwise this will only continue.
History repeats himself over and over again. Governes don't care for victims.
Antifascist action.
US conservatives are no better. They deny the atrocities they committed in the past (slavery, genociding the native population, weaponizing the AIDS epidemic against gay people, etc) so that they can get away with it again. They've always been cancer to society.
@thazfffi hate to be the one that tells you, but Franco is dead lol. Move on you facist
@thazfff mira mama, un mono
"show me the evidence", "fake news", "both sides", "it wasn't that bad", ..., classic
All legitimate points
The genocide deniers spiel: "It did not happen, , it was faked, yes it did happen but there were much less dead than what people reported, yes it did happen and they deserved it". That's how genocide deniers always go.
@@gamerdrew2761no it isn't. You literally saw the evidence and witnesses in this video.
@@gamerdrew2761is your brain smooth
Talking about Stalin 's allies
I think a lot of people forget that not so long a go there was a dictatorship in Spain. If they think of dictatorship in Europe, they think about Germany.
Followed by Basque separatists doing likewise.
That is natural, because Germany had a more recent dictatorship than Spain (until 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall). So Germany entered the community of democratic countries only after East Germany ceased to exist, that is more than a decade after Spain became democratic in the 70’s.
Spain,Portugal, Germany.... we went from kings to dictators to whatever we have today.
You must be American then. I'm pretty sure that most people in Europe are painfully aware that Spain, Portugal, Greece plus all of Central and Eastern Europe (except Austria) were brutal authoritarian regimes until relatively recently. And yes, that includes part of Germany.
@@pachero great point.
I remember seeing a wall in Barcelona with bullet holes from a Franco firing squad.
Hearing the fascist deny these murders brought back memories of my tour guide getting very quiet and somber as we stood there. He said that he hated walking past that wall every day but he knew their stories needed to be told.
Thank you for sharing. Such a shame some bad people get such a voice now with the internet and social media. Comments like yours are imperative.
Hey, i think you might be talking about "Plaça de Sant Felip Neri". A lot of people think those marks are from firing squads, but actually it's from a bomb fired from a plane. Those holes are shrapnell marks. Not less somber, it killed 42 persons and about half of them were kids. I'm not sure if the guide said it on purpose or just general belief.
@An0n3mu55 How can a child ever be a carrier of "Bolshevik ideology", ¿Cómo jusitficas su muerte?? ¿Es realmente la ideologia bolshevique tan dañina? ¿Qué es lo que creen que haga que se merezca que les masacren a ellos y toda su familia?
With so much radicalism /extremists at the political right and left can't be expected anything to work anymore.
Are you by chance referring to the plaça de sant felip Neri?
I think many people have the idea that it's bullet holes, but from what I've been told by my family (from Barcelona), is that it was actually the result of shrapnel from an Italian bombing campaign. Apparently it was full of kindergardeners waiting outside of the kindergarden for class to start. The original kindergarden is still there and in business.
Fascism arrives as your friend
It will restore your honor
Make you feel proud
Protect your house
Give you a job
Clean up your neighborhood
Remind you of how great
You once were
Clear out the venal
And the corrupt
Remove anything you feel
Is unlike you
It doesn't walk in saying
"Our program means militias
Mass imprisonments
Transportations
War and persecution "
Micheal Rosen
Fas¢i$m is *[BASED]* LOL
@@AbuBased731 no
@@mytruecrimelibrary
Ja
wow, it's funny how similar fascism and communism is.
Just literally changing the first word to communism and it'll still work
@@GameFuMaster neither political party is communist but Maga is fascist.
Really satisfying to see a journalist actually pushback against the fascist interviewee rather than just giving them a platform where they can spread their hate.
Vice News reporters usually do a good job of interviewing and challenging people with radical or extremist views ... but this interview with Norberto Pico was not one of them. The reporter was too incensed and over the place with his questions. He wasn't pushing back against him effectively since he let his emotions get to him and just repeated himself in ways Pico easily countered with rhetoric. He wound up doing exactly what he feared, giving Pico a platform to grow. I think someone like Isobel or others who have more experience with such people should have carried out the interview instead.
Nah he did a great job
The Falange does not spread hate towards anyone. You are spreading hate against fascists for no reason right now without any knowledge of their ideology. Falangism is not racist.
@@jvelazque005 I think the comment below yours by gghost1224 somewhat proves my point...
The interviewer let his emotions run loose and barely let the the other guy talk at all. It's like two middle schooler arguing, with both sides exchanging whataboutism and blanket statements. The Falange leader, despite not organizing his words along his argumentative logic as well as he should have, still gained the upper hand because he was at least more calm and sophisticated, unlike the interviewing journalist. I wish he would have went along his own philosophy and interpretation instead of being led by the nice by the journalists in the beginning.
In 2010, I was studying in U de Salamanca for my Masters. I had brought up a few things I read about Franco to the Professor. He got real defensive about Franco and said my resources were incorrect. I didn't understand why this Professor was sticking up for Franco until I realized that area of Spain was predominantly pro Franco during the war and after.
Thank you for sharing this video. Most are not aware of Spain's history
While you were sticking up for Stalin
@@eedragonrStating objective truth is not political.
@@hakanbrakankrakan it is historical objective truth
Did you think then, that maybe he being a university professor and spaniard he knew more than you?
Of course not, why use your brain if you can just say he is a fascist.
@@hakanbrakankrakanpolitical may be me listening to the plans of a big Spanish mixed family organizing a big holidays family fiesta with paella near the swimming pool under the motto "The English are not the friends of the Spaniards" "they don't learn the language, they don't integrate".
The sad resignation of that woman, who may or may not find her dad's remains. "I'll accept it [if I don’t]." The words of someone who, for much of her life, lived under an oppressive regime where she simply had to accept things as they came in order to stay alive
Or perhaps they did realize they were not quite right
As a German it's eerily reminiscant of our older history documentaries. Watching her interview feels exactly like watching an 80s or 90s interview of a victim of the Nazis. Watching the interview of the fashist, although sure, there's a bit of a modern trumpist touch to it, is like watching the interviews of people peddling the "clean Wehrmacht" myth in Germany a few decades ago.
I can only wish spain the best on the way they now seem to have started walking, as Germany started to do in the ealry 70s. It's a hard path, but it's deeply necessary.
@@thecashier930Germany didn't have a civil war
@@eedragonr he never stated they did? xd
@@bingus1329 also Franco didn't do what Germany did
As always, Vice with the outstanding coverage of important topics no one else is talking about.
Sure 😂
In the historical community, the Spanish Civil War is getting a fairly new draw of attention and the source material is only getting bigger by the day
That's harsh bro
Whenever fascism sprouts it's ugly ass head anyone who follows that flag must be ground into dust
@@gg-gamers I wonder who determines whether someone is a fascist or not
"They felt they are being persecuted."
How do the facists think of that? They aren't being imprisoned randomly. They aren't being shot and buried in unmarked mass grave. They aren't disappeared without traces for being in the wrong party....
Everything they say is strategic, with the aim of getting them more power. They'll deny the sunrise, if necessary.
Narcissists and Psychopaths always use projective defense mechanisms and the shifting of object.
Masters of playing the ultimate victim.
It's not really about other people to them. It's more about their own affairs.
I've been around people like this for years. What I've noticed is they can't process information or address anything that isn't self-serving to them.
They can't admit any fault on their part. But they will be quick to blame somebody else. Usually intellectuals or whistleblowers.
Because real world problems are not a priority to them. It's an "inconvenience."
Why would they admit to their own crimes?, the fascist guy itself at the end event admit it at the end by saying " they should be grateful, we save them from the soviets " its their narrative and they will not chnage because in their mind everything its acceptable because it prevented that imaginary scenario
Have you not read books like George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia"? Tens of thousands including priests and nuns were murdered by Republican forces.
as a spanish I thank you for exposing this so outside pressure can help justice be applied finally
@thazfffDo not be stupid.
@thazfff How about we not support fascists and communists and other tyrants?
@thazfff ya te pillaremos x ahi tirillas
Why do you need "outside" pressure? This mentality is just living up to the stereotype that Latin's are too lazy to get projects done themselves.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 what do you mean, if it was condemned internationally maybe the government would have to wipe the ministers that descend from franco's legacy, although if you ask me both the PP and PSOE parties should be disintegrated too for that matter (and obviously the one from the fascist in the video).
More on The Spanish Civil War please
Try Hemingway
@@eedragonr For Whom The Bells Toll is so damn good as historical fiction
My grandparents and great grandparents and some of their family members fought not in an army, but in the resistance after 39. They were called "maquis". They did not support the POUM or the communist party, they supported freedom. Some of their family members died or moved to France to continue fighting the Nazis. Most of them never returned back to Spain and are probably buried like these bodies in the middle of the mountains somewhere. I grew up listening to stories about "desaparecidos durante la guerra". What we humans do to other humans should not be forgotten. Whether it is in Syria, Ukraine, Spain, or elsewhere. We are all the same.
If you didn't support the monarchy, the Army, or the church you supported Stalin who was just as involved in Spain as we and Italians were.
Makis were a comunist guerrilla formed by the communist party that the own Stalin and later on the very own party that created them wanted to eliminate. Maybe you can sell this freedom fight for non Spanish people, but they were not that
@@wilhelm4321Nazi
yeah, your grandparents and great grandparents fought for communism not freedom
The Maquis came from various left-wing backgrounds with most maqui leaders being either PCE or CNT. PCE leadership declined after their decision to turn towards entrism in the national sindicate after Stalin announced he would no longer support their armed struggle. I don't know if you're talking about your grandparents personally or the maquis in general, but if you mean in general then you're wrong. I've been studying Spanish history in Spain for the last year and this is would be straight up wrong if that's what you mean.
Thank you so much for showing this, its such an important event that a lot of people tried to forget.
A lot of people want everyone else to forget how conservative fascism shaped Spain.
@@plainlakeAnd a lot of people want young people to believe all conservatism is the same way. Don't fall for the lie.
@@jeffzima9270 yeah not all but your american maga is a fascist movement
"14 Characteristics of Fascism"
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, and long incarcerations of prisoners
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists…
4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation.
6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation or by sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Government censorship and secrecy, especially in war time, are very common.
7. Obsession with National Security
Fear of hostile foreign powers is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined.
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9. Protection of Corporate Power Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Suppression of Labor Power
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
@@jeffzima9270 As if ANY variety of it is in any sense laudable....
It happens all across the world.
I sincerely hope that older woman finds her father . you can tell it would put her more at peace when she passes. Hopefully she can atleast get the closure and the burial of her father so she might if she wishes be buried next to him. It sucks to talk about death and more so murder, but it must be done.
Man, this reporter really went for that fascist's throat in the interview. Good
Dishonest journalist set up an "interview" and didn't let the person they were interviewing fully answer a question before interrupting them and moving on to another topic. Vice news came in there and only wanted to push a narrative, not allow all sides to voice their opinions. Glad vice news is going bankrupt.
@@blank4227 nice whataboutism.
Stop being cringe
@@ThePizzaGoblinYou do know that thousands of priests and nuns were murdered during that war, don't you?
@@Aran002 did you even watch the documentary?
@@ThePizzaGoblin Yes, and it's a pretty biased one. It tries to give the impression that the Falangist party is strong organization, when it really is a ridiculously small group that couldn't fill a dance hall and doesn't have a single elected representative anywhere. Concerning the victims of repression, you can just as easily find relatives of people shot by the Republicans. At the Municipality of Montcada i Reixac, near Barcelona, there is a mass grave with some 700 bodies which the Catalonian government has refused to exhume. You see, the victims are not "the good ones", they don't fit the current political narrative.
Fascist: Im not a historian. Im not trying to do politics based on something that happened almost a century ago...
Same Fascist: I am also the leader of a political movement based on ideologies founded almost a century ago.
😂 so REGARDED!
@billykilgannon No. The theories of communism and socialism are fine but get co-opted by dictatorship. The theory of fascism IS dictatorship.
@@terri6854 In order to achieve communism you need to first go through socialism, which is the dictatorship of the proletariat lmao
@@naitor2594 not really... To make a communist society... You need to get rid off the state making everyone organize themselves in comunal groups... But... The socialist state is needed to educate people on how to do it without everything collapsing...
If you knew history you would understand why fascism is so powerful in Spain... It is because the republic which was supposed to be the beacon of freedom started to kill the opposition... José calvo sotelo was shotted for being a monarchist... José Antonio was forced into prison for being fascist and then shotted when the civil war started... And I ain't saying that the fascist were better... There are no heroes... Nor villains... Just civil war and political violence forced by two systems... A "democratic" one and a "fascist" one...
@@rouwd4wn649 Yes, it educates via an authoritarian dictatorship that will inevitably kill millions of it's own population, marx literally called it the "dictatorship of the proletariat"
Civil war is the most sad thing in the history of any country
It’s necessary to do again in the US to get rid of the liberals
Very true. And it has happened in all.
My father's cousin died in the CIvil War as a soldier, and his mass grave got untouched until the last decade, the family tought the he died in a place, and was in another, because the pressure from the government and the power since the end of the Dictatorship was upon silence and leave all unnoticed. The reality of thousands of young women, children and disabled people with holes in their heads and signs of torture were not something of good publicity for the heirs of Franco.
what about the 6000 priests the communists murdered ?
He was a dog
@@Dan_Breen he was just a spanish man taken in by international marxist propaganda designed to take land off land owners and give it to central bankers..
what about the republics bankers who stole the central gold and took it to moscow ?@@ghostlybird327
My grandfather got captured by the nationalists he was in prison for 5 years but he got released gladly
That Falangist party leader just from his body language embracing himself tells you he knows his political views is unacceptable in a civilised polite society of 2023 and his unconsciously trying to shield himself from the devastating questions being posed by the journalis. Kudos to that journalist for holding that fascist's feet to the fire!
I'm glad someone else noticed that as well! As soon as the scene and discussion started you could clearly tell what side he'd protect
Journalist didn't even give him an opportunity to respond to his questions. He came at him like it was a debate, not an interview, and heavily edited on top of that. No wonder vice is going bankrupt, they don't care about doing proper journalism or offering all sides an equal voice, they just want to push a narrative. Good riddance to vice news.
The only way I guess these people can justify their actions is by claiming that everyone who was murdered "deserved" it, or call them terrorists
The Falangist party? You could fit them in a couple of school buses. 🤣🤣
Indeed western Europe is mirroring China these days. With much less talent, efficiency and effectiveness
Fascism is bad. This should not be a controversial or triggering statement.
Comunism commited so much crimes in Spain during de Civil War. Dont forget that.
@@odiolaginebrano, both sides commit war crimes in different ways, nobody in europe wants communism contrary to what americans believe social democracy is how their societies work and normal people will defend it against extremist
@@ghostxl8525 you are so wrong. In Spain communists killed, clerics, nuns, whole families just for revenge against terrain owners, rich people, churchs, etc. Leftist in Spain lost the civil war but most crimes and terrorism after that was intencionally forgotten by leftist in the democracy.
@@odiolaginebra autism is beating ur ass man.
Muh [Fas©i$m] is *[BASED]* LMAOOO
I'm from Spain and I want to thank this channel for this video, thank you. The civil war and the dictatorship were never judged, now there is not even an consensus about it because not only the far right but one of the major parties, founded by fascist politicians, want to forget about it...and those who are guilty.
"it was never judged" you didn't learn about La Transicion? there was a pact where both sides agreed to put the war behind, that's why ppl on the Republican side where still allowed to be part of government, unlike in any other country in the world where they would have been either imprisoned or executed.
@@derpestarzt of course I now about the transition, this is my own history, but I think we both agree that "put the war behind " is not justice. This fascists overthrowed a democratic government, used forced workers to make money and faraonic buildings, killed the republicans and their afines, stilled their properties and businesses and nowadays nobody has paid for that, the power they got is still in the same hands, just playing the "forgetting game". You said in other countries it was worst, but in spain it was as bad as it could be, they just cleaned their faces and adapted to the new times and ways, but the crimes still in the shadows. Take the example of Argentina, there they judged the dictatorship.
@@derpestarztwrong there was already something simular in South africa after the boer war infact Generals Louis Botha and Jan Smuts could have been shot for treason by the English but ended up as governing allies for the english siding against Germany in both world wars
We are still critical of the crimes of the British we never forgot we through it in their face the moment they showed weakness securing our final independence both the English and the Afrikaner served side by side in the government after the war but everyone new the score in Spain the score is disputed and the guilty party is allowed to claim ignorance when they are actually very clearly arrogant and proud of this exaggerated sense their sides own importance in Spains modern success
I am a Dominican but my family originally came from Spain and migrated to the Dominican Republic in the 1800’s. Ever since I learned about this I’ve been very curious about my Spanish heritage and I always loved learning about Spain. From the periods from which Spain was conquered by the moors up to the Francois Spain regime.
Now THAT is how you do an interview! Wow! If only all journalists were like this, the world would be a much better place.
Interviewing the fascist was definitely worth it, because you didn't fall for any of his rhetorical tricks or disingenuous excuses and kept the heat turned up...no quarter, that's the only way to deal with fascists.
Truly inspiring, thank you for the work you do!
People don't talk enough about Spain's dark past in the last century. Franco's dictatorship was brutal and after a shady transtition, Spain's modern society has some serious issues.
no it wasn't and no amount of repeating the lie will change the past
You guys are acting like the communist party in spain was LITERALLY jsut as bad and committed as many atrocities.
@@derpestarzt nonsense.
Guess what....Communist regime was even worse
Spanish transition is as much of a transition as Russia is proving to be
I would also get fired up interviewing a Falange politician, sending patience your way for your next one David.
It wasn't an interview, it was a debate. Dishonest journalist set up an "interview" and didn't let the person they were interviewing fully answer a question before interrupting them and moving on to another topic. Glad vice news is going bankrupt.
I have so much respect for the reporter for not letting the party leader just spew his denial
Spew Truth*
That’s not a reporter. He’s a propagandist for ppl like you. He always interrupted the guy and was just saying a bunch of things when he’s the one interviewing not been interviewed. But that’s typical with leftists, they won’t tolerate you having another opinion. Commie bastards
I love Vice and hope it can continue to create such unique content, tackling the issues MSM wont go near.
you mean making stuff up?
@@yakovbrod9992 How are you this disconnected from reality?
@@Erulilum because I look stuff up unlike 99% of people out there.
The marxists mass murdered people as well. Biased reporting is not mentioning this verifiable fact that you can google.
Well glad that vice is facing bankrupt 😂
@@ZKG754bc they got bought out by HBO not shitty reporting. Sadly they were forced to do bullshit for HBO and now they can’t recover from the losses of that contract they were held to.
Overshadowed a lot of Spanish history with that summary of the Spanish Civil War lol... totally didn't gloss over how "Everyone united against the Republicans and Conservatives", they all fought each other. It was one massive mess that Franco came out on top of.
What's disturbing about the Spanish Civil War (1936-39) is its similarities with America's current political landscape; a corrupt government that civilians don't trust, military personnel with political motivations, a conservative party that consisted largely of uneducated, illiterate citizens affected by propaganda, and the "cleansing" of left-leaning individuals and teachers. What's most striking, however, is this line from Wikipedia: "Many killings in the first few months were often done by vigilantes and civilian death squads, with the Nationalist leadership often condoning their actions or even assisting them."
You are wrong on one point: The second republic was not corrupted, much less then the previous regime, and was a very advanced social state with a big popular support. The people fought for the republic but they were no military and had outdated and insufficient weaponry and were facing a professional army with modern weaponry (see Guernica bombing with German bombers).
@@baronvonandroid3363There is nothing wrong with loving your country and culture. The line is crossed when you believe your country and culture are definitively superior to every other culture.
>Conservative party consisted largely of uneducated, illiterate citizens.
The "conservative party" (there were dozens of them, being the two most important the "Partido Radical" and a confederation of small parties, the CEDA) were mainly composed of the intellectual elite of the time, because, surprise, the middle and high classes were the ones who had access to higher education. Not only that, but the most educated party at the moment (before the Civil War started, as they were insignificant and only took off after it) was the literal fascist party, the Falange. They were severely mocked at (being called a poets club and all) because their main base of support (estimates of 60 % of all affiliates) were their university student syndicates, specially the Law and Philosophy Students Syndicate.
The "uneducated and illiterate population" was the main supporter of the communist and socialist parties (not including here the leftist liberals), and specially of the anarchists, which were highly popular in the most impoverished agrary lands.
Also, the "conservative party" (which later on supported the coup) in power through the middle period of the Republic implemented a higher budget for education than the previous leftist government, it also helped that they lifted the previous ban on religious schools which were the main educative institutions at the time.
I don't really know why I had the urge to explain all this. But here it is.
Reminds me also of what's happening at Israel and Palestine
Conservatives are illiterate and uneducated? Have you ever met a conservative?
Scary how many people in this world want to move backwards instead of forwards
If by "forwards" you mean toward freedom, I agree.
@@jeffzima9270 no by toward he means communism, where private property does not exist, if you are not rich you will not become rich, and neither your kids, where you own nothing, and where the governament owns you (which is kinda similar to what USA is nowadays).
@@notscar Thanks, that's how I understand it too. Would be nice if he told us himself for sure though.
@@notscar The duly elected Republican government in Spain was not "Communist". When no other country came to their aid, including the USA who would not even sell them weapons, they turned to Stalin for help in fighting back an armed insurrection led by General Franco and the army. He was a Fascist whose dictatorship took all civil liberties, rights and freedoms away. That's the world the Falange Fascist Party wants to return to.
It’s these documentary drops that I get notified of at the worst times, so my “too watch documentaries “ is now huge and ima spend today watching em. Lol
well i watch all mine ones when i get up n all day when ever i want but then again i can bc i live in the lucky country n i dont have to go to the salt mines every day or 5 days a week but just relax n do as i please my child.
Here in the United States, it is also the cultural policy not to talk about such atrocities, committed by Americans on American Indians, Negroes, Asians, nearly every ethnic minority, again, under the guise of reunification. As for the dead of Spain, they are totally ignored here, with only the German Nazis being punished by popular culture. Thank you for showing me this.
dude are you literally saying Indians and Negroes? Lol
Stop lying. Everything you mentioned is taught in US schools.
We also don't talk about the fact that Leftists like Stalin and Mao killed 30 million and 60 million respectively, that Leftist Pol Pot killed the majority of the people living in Cambodia, and that thousands and thousands of people were killed by Leftists just for being Catholic in Mexico and Spain in the 1920s and 30s. We don't talk about the Armenian Genocide of the early 20th Century, in which Leftist Turks massacred thousands of Greek and Armenian Christians. Yep, there's a lot we don't talk about.
Are you kidding? Natives and Black Americans never shut the hell up about their past oppression despite being several generations removed from it. The fate of the natives was almost exclusively due to biology and terrible luck; yea, the spread of Old World diseases into the New World had terrible results, rendering them basically extinct, but that's the harsh reality of life. Pointing fingers at the inevitable is just pure cope.
As for Asians, the only real oppression was suffered by Japanese Americans, who (incredibly) endured the mass internment with incredible resilience and managed to somehow assimilate without a hitch.
Any other "minority" group whinging and moaning in the modern day about oppression is just riding the latest fad because being a victim is the hip and trendy thing to do now.
@@Cowslippoetry "our country has never ...." is one of the biggest gaslighting statements imaginable.
Very one sided, depending of where the start of the war caught you were killed for some thing or other, my family was murdered by communists for not wanting to fight for them
This is so sad! 😢 The cruelty of fascism is immeasurable wherever they take power. May the murdered men, women, and children finally have justice. 💔🕯💔
You mean the cruelty of humans period....!
but it's praised by so many people
Don't forget about the cats and dogs that fascism killed! THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO!
Do you think communists and anarchists didnt commit massacres, given a chance?
@@CASULL455 they did commit genocide. They targeted us! That's why it's so rich of them to be seething about it like they're innocent. Notice how they say NOTHING about the genocides of Mao and Stalin, but cry about fascists all day long. The reason is quite simple: when they do it, we deserve it.
Well, my message to communists is quite simple too: when we do it, you deserve it. And you will deserve it again, soon.
This politician is insanely ignorant... people like this are very dangerous for the world and their number is sadly rising...
He is not ignorant. Everything he does is precisely calculated.
@@friendlybane okay I agree, but that makes him even more dangerous
@@otzpeda3860 Agreed.
My history professor always said franco regime did not fall, it just died.
It was continued by the Franco-Appointed monarchy.
The current monarchy were good friends of Franco during the regime (the former king even "accidentally" killed his own brother using a gun that was gifted to him by Franco himself).
A lot of the actions of the current monarchy also resemble (to a smaller, yet noticeable extent) Franco's regime, such as the imprisonment of political opposition, democratically elected officials being either imprisoned or exiled and called terrorists.. for holding elections... in a democracy.. imprisoning artists/singers for disrespecting the monarchy, and getting away with running away to foreign countries with millions of tax-payer dollars.
Franco died, but his regime continued, and is still present today. It's just put hush-hush because nobody wants to admit that it's possible for a supposedly "civilized" European country could possibly be un-democratic.
they had at the spot an Amnesty Law to prevent people to dig in thepast, that's why, by Law, they coulnd't imprison the ones wh did it, and now their sons and grandsons are the new fascism, VOX, and all those groups...
I'm glad that they have talked about the atrocities committed during Francos rule however the problem I have with videos like this is that it ignores the fact that the Republicans during the civil war also killed and tortured civilians and soldiers just as the Nationalists did. It makes you think the Republicans were the "good guys" when there was no good guy during the civil war, both sides were bad it is just since Franco won his government had longer to do bad things.
The Vice are bloody commies, so don't waste your effort.
Carlists suck. Falangism is based.
This sort of thing explains why you had so many people in a stadium who were very comfortable to do things like call Vini Jr a monkey.
When I was living in Madrid in the Spring there was a Falangista rally right behind my apartment... sickens me how little has been done to reconcile with the past
I mean falangists and francoists aren't the same. Many falangists don't like franco
Looks like another Falangist W.
I loved how the journalist held that fascist's feet to the flame and called b*llshit on his lies. Good work.
Also, saying Falange and Franquismo are the same guys is just a complete false statement. In fact Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera was killed in the Spanish Civil War, and it is known that Franco hated him
Just like saying all Republicans were communists
This.
Seems conservatives are the same, no matter where you go 🤮🤮
Unlike comunists, who have not killed anyone, ever.
no thats wrong there are so many colors in uk mostly brown nowadays 😂😂😂
Yeah and they won in the end against the communists and degenerates says alot about your future tread carefully
@@Answersonapostcard They tried to commit a violent coup in the US, how do you think it would have ended if they won? Mark Levin “democrats must be eradicated” Tucker, Carlson “Democrats are true evil”. Mom for liberty has been flagged as a racial hate group. I can go on for hours. If this is traditional values then we need to do away with tradition permanently
@@Answersonapostcard its what people on his side of spectrum do. It leads to situations like the spanish civil war because its easier to fight then have civil discourse
I just came back from a month long trip to Spain where I had the absolute pleasure of seeing this beautiful country from
North to south. I also took on the duty of learning about the terrible history of fascism it’s people suffered under and the deep scars are apparent, still. Let’s keep the victims of fascism in our hearts and may we never forget and never take for granted our rights and freedoms that the supporters of this ideology violently oppose. Continue to fight for freedom, beautiful people of Spain!
Nobody is fighting for that in this country
@@DescendingIntoChaos
'The margins of the "victory" were small and there were suspicions of fraud so it was not a mandate for overwhelming change but the communists separatists and anarquists were not exactly democratic and they pursued political killings,burning churches and monasteries and attacks on civilians so yes there was a provocation and a divided society.
Madrid draped in giant murals of Stalin and Lenin is not exactly a signal of democracy as some would have the world believe.
The polarisation was strong and the left had declared that should the right win they would rise up so either way a civil war was coming.
As a Spaniard myself, I have to tell you that while I'm glad you have a fondness for my country and unlike most other foreigners seek to understand it, you are not getting the full story, and I suspect you are aware of it.
This short documentary does a good and necessary job at showing the aftermath of a civil war that tore our country apart and continues to do so to this day in many ways, because of how polarized and unstable our political system is. It is vital to understand truly why these events took place, and a lot of the most important information is either not talked about or outright censored. I can guarantee you this as I recently finished high school and some of the most important facts are barely mentioned in our history program, which is compulsory, but does nothing to educate us about our past.
Yes, Franco's soldiers killed many people unjustly, and it's a great thing to give the victims closure after decades of repression. But what they won't tell you in documentaries like this or almost any other one regarding the Civil War, whether it's in English or in Spanish, is that the Republican (leftist) regime was extremely unstable and fraudulent, that it banned religion with the threat of death by firing squad to those who kept their Catholic faith, and that many leftist soldiers were notorious for destroying churches and abusing and killing nuns (you know the kind of abuse I'm talking about). The Republicans, whose best ally was the USSR, sent over 70% of our gold reserve to Moscow at the beginning of the war, and this gold, almost 500 tonnes, was never returned.
Had the Communists won, had Fascism been defeated in the Civil War, do you think we would have done any better? Would it have been more honorable to live as an ally of the USSR, possibly even longer than what Franco's regime lasted, until the fall of the Soviet Union, and end up like other post-soviet countries in eastern Europe? Do you think the Communists were any more keen on Fascists than Fascists were on Communists?
I hope you share the same animosity for far-left regimes than for fascists ones, because otherwise this is just a comfortable but ultimately morally corrupted stance to take, especially about a country which you barely even know about. And we aren't really succeeding in our fight for freedom, as you say. Our Socialist government is destroying us. We are hitting record low positions in so many areas of our society and economy compared to the rest of the EU, and it looks like it's only going to get worse. But hey, as long as our beaches and historical cities look pretty to the tourists, it's all good right? That way they come here, give us some money to delay the inevitable economic collapse, and buy into the mainstream narrative that does nothing to actually help us move forward. But it sure feels good to play the morally righteous part, doesn't it?
Fascists don't want to take away rights lol. The Fascist manifesto of 1919 literally calls for universal suffrage.
At 97, the lady still has a very sharp memory. How impressive.
Please next do a video on the victims of the red terror in Spain since it seems that nobody is covering that topic.
Yeh, don’t see many vice reporters opening with “you defend and deny the horrors of communism and Marxism to far left leaders” terrible interview. Didn’t want to understand anything, just go in for a fight like 5 year old 🙄
A qu3mar Iglesias/ elizak err3tzera!!!!!!
@@christopherpoole2185debate
Red Terror (Spanish: Terror Rojo)[7] is the name given by historians to various acts of violence committed from 1936 until the end of the Spanish Civil War by sections of nearly all the leftist groups involved.[8][9] News of the rightist military coup in July 1936 unleashed a politicidal response, and no Republican controlled region escaped systematic and anticlerical violence, although it was minimal in the Basque Country.[10] The violence consisted of the killing of tens of thousands of people (including 6,832 Catholic priests, the vast majority in the summer of 1936 in the wake of the coup), attacks on the Spanish nobility, small business owners, industrialists, and politicians and supporters of the conservative parties or the anti-Stalinist Left, as well as the desecration and arson attacks against monasteries, convents, Catholic schools, and churches.[11] (Wiki.)
Fascists already have their platforms where they face no external criticism. We need major platforms like Vice to cover Fascists in a critical light that is not seen elsewhere fascism is talked about.
Like I've seem so many say in comments; who defines fascist and what is it's definition? All tyranny is horrible.
@@jeffzima9270 fascism is defined by its external present characteristics we can observe with our eyes
Fas cism is dead and has not been a thing since the W W2. You people need to get a grip.
@@jeffzima9270Read the doctrine of fascism if you want to know what fascism is. I'd also recommend Jose Antonio's biography, fascism for the million, the fascist manifesto of 1919, anything by Giovanni Gentile, My rise and fall (Mussolini's full autobiography) is good, but it wouldn't be enough to teach someone what fascism is, Mussolini's intellectuals, the coming corporate state.
Hopefully you also interview people whose relatives were victims of the mass violence carried out by the Republican aide during the civil war especially by the communist and anarchist militants.
Anyone who crosses his arms when being asked questions is on the defensive and lying, esp when their speech becomes rapid and voice goes into higher octaves. If they are standing, they'll shift their legs, to prepare to fight or more commonly to run.
Pop-psychology. Body language experts arent really a thing.
@mileshill7196 Oh yes they are; and, they had a field day analyzing Mussolini, AH, and Donald J. Trump.
@@carlettesouthern-robert2992 FBI special interrogators will tell you that it is not real. There is no physical tell when someone is lying. That has been disproven many times.
@@mileshill7196Just because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean you have to play the victim. Franco's dead and you lost now get over it or continue looking in the mirror wondering why you aren't happy.
All the body language you described also fits someone who is just uncomfortable. In this guy's case I think you are right though.
Good that you guys from Vice put these things into the light. It's heartbreaking to see what happens during the wars...
And people wonder why other regions of Spain want to be independent
You guys are acting like the communist party didnt literally commit the same murders to the same extent. It was a brutal civil war that devastated Spain. Pretending only one side did anything is just as dishonest as the fascist's denial in this video.
Thank you for making this video, Spain needs more than ever to "remember" what is has chosen to ignore and to be taught about the hypocrisy and barbarie.
more than ever bc of the authoritarian Pedro Sanchez government?
Great documentary! This pact of silence preserved the peace in society after Franco's death but it also prevented justice and criminal prosecution of the perpetrators. The past will keep haunting Spain.
Like Guernica?
Like Santiago Carrillo etc?
@@eedragonr And Cabra which none of these Guiris even know about!
What a biased reporter. No matter if he's wrong or right, you should at least let the person you're interviewing answer the questions presented to him. That was a really tough watch
Very well said. No doubt this guy does support tyranny, but let him say it himself. It's far more convincing to people.
I'm sorry, as an Spanish person I was suffering hearing the leader of the fascist party talking. I feel disgusted by his words.
I couldn't stand him either and with his close minded body language with his arms wrapped around himself. Tells you everything about the Fascists.
Bruh didn’t the republicans murder priests…?
This really show the impressiveness of how Germany have been able to confront their shared past.
Spain handled it way better than Germany, in every sense. But whatever
@@firstpersonfeelings5479Cope harder baby boy 😅 If Spain truly recovered then Catalonia, Galecia, and Euskeria would all be independent.
@@Alaskan-Armadillo You don't even know how to write the places you are mentioning, imagine the rest.
@@firstpersonfeelings5479 Yes, pretending something didn't happen is always the better option. Learning from the mistakes of the past benefits nobody. /s
@@ConradNeill What are you saying. Spain went through a Civil War where 50% of the population faced the other 50%. All Spanish people have one grand-grandparent killed by one side and one grand-grandparent killed by the other. It isn't about pretending nothing happened, it is moving on from a wound that no longer can be healed and learning through forgiveness, that's why Spain is one of the few countries that had a peaceful transition from a regime to a democracy. Don't speak about what you don't know, much less when you are speaking about such grievous things.
I remember when the National Lampoon, a brilliant parody magazine in the early 70's, had in their In The News segment, "Generalissimo Francisco Franco Dies, Goes to Hell." SO apropos. SNL, which had many actors that were part of the Lampoon stage and radio show, including Chevy Chase, would do the Weekend Update and he would announce "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead." I wish we had that level of brilliance and vision into international events today in our satire and parody outlets.
Unfun fact: In 1940, Francisco Franco changed Spain’s time zone by one hour forward, so it could match up with the time zone of his Nazi Germany allies. It still hasn’t switched back to the original Greenwich time for over 8 decades.
Tbh apart from politics, this timezone has been useful for me in the past, as it is closer with other parts of europe
If the fascist has saw what Spain has become they would’ve been sad
The Republican faction was as bad as the Nationalist faction in the Spaniard’s civil war when it came to executing people. Spain has pretty much been at peace since 1939, survived Franco and emerged as a successful democracy.
the politician is sus af.
I'm a spanish historian, and this video is nice, because in it you can clearly see that the civil war is still "going on" nowadays.
We hadn't cure our collective pain yet, and we're still arguing the little aspects of the war, about who's responsability is the war. This happens not only in political parties, but also in the historians community, eventhought we are all supose to pursue the objectivity of history.
What a shame of country. What a shame that the democracy came by a passive revolution where people from the regime stablish the constitution (by the way, we hadn't uploaded it yet eventhought it's from 1979) and didn't judge Franco's crimes, as well as it's a shame that the left wing parties didn't assume yet they did damage as well (it's a civil war!).
We have to move foward, but assuming we cannot keep dennying other people's pain. Their feelings are as legitime as yours.
My grand father who caught for the Nationalists Army in the Spanish civil war when he was 18 he joined because Spanish Republican leftists communists killed his pastor because the leftists in the Spanish Republican regime accused Catholics, and Eve Angelic Christian’s of trying to restore the Monarchy, how are they gonna say that those communists were “Murdered” when they were at war? What, the nationalists can’t defend themselves in a war? So the communists are the only ones supposed to be doing the killing? Just to use to say the same bs they are saying in this Vice documentary?
Well, cause they were not killed in combat.
@@lanceroparaca1413Oh really? They were not killed in “combat” then why would they say in 0:08 that they are digging up a Trench? Why would regular leftists civilians be in a trench in the middle of no where? Huh?
@@lanceroparaca1413 since they said they found the remains in a trench, then it was justifiable for them to be killed in COMBAT, Leftists have to rely on calling Franco a dictator because his soldiers killed Leftists in Combat just because your using that excuse does not justify to why you need to support a bunch of Leftists Anarchists that committed genocide against Catholics nuns pastors, and Eve Angelic Christian’s simply because one dictator wanted to over throw a democratically elected government that could’ve turned Spain into a Soviet State after the end of WWII, Communists leaders can be democratically elected too and turn the country into a dictatorship just like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. If Franco never won that civil war, Spain wouldn’t be entering NATO in 1982 when the Soviet Union was still a alive.
Viva Cristo Rey, Arriba Espana, adelante espana!! 🇪🇸✝️🙋🏻
Viva Cristo Rey, Arriba Espana! ✝🙋🏻 Respect from England 🏴♥ 🇪🇸
Thus always to tyrants
In Portugal the dictator "Salazar" was friend of "Franco" (they went in the university together) and the Portuguese's fight in the front line of the Spanish Civil War... it was a massacre! They walk against canons... the Portuguese's were slaves in this war! The soldiers used to say "You can't imagine the blood running down the streets and the smell..." even today when the wind blows from the Spanish side the Portuguese's say "the air is not good today, smells like dead". Thank God that Salazar and Franco both die in the 70s and the Iberian Peninsula got free again.
None of that is true. Franco and Salazar didn't know each other until Franco was head of state in Spain. Very few Portuguese fought in Spain, those that did were volunteers. Salazar was the best thing that happened to Portugal.
@@annoneemoose Franco in university made one work called "how to invade Portugal in 3 days" that's why Salazar from is Classroom become friend (or better scared of him become false friend) do you know anything about history? Even the king of Spain went to university in Portugal! To run from that Fascists from Spain! Tell me the good things that append to the Portuguese that fight in the frontline for Franco??? They all come home without hands or legs!!! You are blind because you are a Fascist like Franco and Salazar!
@@annoneemooseThe best thing that happened to Portugal was the revolution of April. Long live captain Salgueiro Maia, the true portuguese patriot
Franco was good.
"Durruti is dead. yet living." - Emma Goldman's ode to the incredible Buenaventura Durruti, who said "we shall teach you Bolsheviks how to make a real revolution".
And what about the skeletons of Spain communist past?
Fascism is stronger than ever in Spain, but most won't even notice. Today's fascists are, 80% of them at least, posing as conservatives, liberals, and even leftists. They are Spanishspeaking ethnonationalists, still denying other nationalities and intent on eradicating them, which they are achieving, unfortunately. Only the Basques are managing to make some progress, because they were the only ones to achieve some real level of autonomy. But Spain has been harrassing and wrecking Catalonia systematically since 1978, when the Spanish constitution was introduced, just as before, only a lot more effectively. And the UE keeps looking the other way, in just another manifestation of democracies rotting away.
Nationalism isn't fascism
It's one step away from Fascism and you'll also get the upside down treatment...
@@somerandommenNationalism predates fascism by centuries. Fascism is nationalist; obviously, but it is not just generically "nationalist" it is revolutionary nationalist. This is the fascist conception of the nation as described in the doctrine of fascism:
"Not a race, nor a geographically defined region, but a people historically perpetuating itself, unified by an idea and imbued with the will to live, the will to power, self-consciousness, personality."
-The Doctrine of Fascism
Jose Antonio Primo De Rivera also says the same thing:
"The nation is not a geographical reality, nor a racial, nor a linguistic one; it is essentially a historical unity. An aggregation of men upon a piece of ground is only a nation in so far as it is a function of the universal, if it fulfills a destiny of it's own in history, a destiny which is not that of "the rest". "The rest" are always those by whom we tell that we are "one" in the common life which I share with men. I am he who is not any of others. In the universal common life each nation is that which none of the others is. Hence, nations are determined from without; they are distinguished from the environment amidst which they fulfill their own, and universal destiny.
-Jose Antonio Primo De Rivera, F.E., 7-12-33
@@Thanatos_4444 I'm aware. Fascism, like Nationalism, ensures collaboration between the classes domesitically under the pretext of a national in-group. The difference is Nationalism is almost always in support of the status quo of a nation, where as Fascism makes systemic critiques.
It's one of the reasons that ex-Fascists almost always become Communists/Socialists, and ex-Nationalists become Liberals.
@@somerandommen Nationalism doesn't inherently ensure class collaboration, there are nationalists who believe in class warfare.
@@Thanatos_4444 No. They're inherently incompatible ideas.
Foreign independent media tends to be the best source of news/documentaries about one's country because they have no political part in the matter. Thanks, Vice for bringing this topic up.
"Spain's fascist past" ? ... Fascist Future, I'm afraid.
We already have a fascist president. Maybe soon we will move on from him
And the skeletons of Spain´s Comunist past?. I´m waiting. Thank you.
This is the Spanish Civil War. Whoever won would have their reign of terror last longer since both sides massacred people. Luckily, the Francoists won since Spain wouldn't have become a stalinist puppet in the face of the cold war. Franco was not dumb and couldn't be considered a traditional fascist. He is a francoist, aka pragmatic. He was able to unite the Spanish right against the fractured spanish Left and prevented a Soviet puppet state just south of France's border. Franco's early economic policies followed falangism, Spain's own version of fascism (which had a more agrarian and anti-capitalist spin than normal fascism due to Spain's cultural values). However, this did not work and Franco's later economic policies could be described as technocratic. Combined with Franco's decision not to enter WW2 and his buddying up with the allies, Franco spared his people from further war. Franco was a pragmatic dictator who put practicality above any political ideology.
It's all just history repeating itself. 😢
May I also remind you the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions.
Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shockingly sad truth.
In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return it to rightful owners Native American people. Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask?
True.
'Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization' are evil things done by evildoers. 😔
In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands of North/South America and Australia/NZ in Asia-Pacific, and return them to rightful owners Native American people and Native Asia-Pacific people.
Remember, notorious global cardinal crimes the Anglo West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery and Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask?
Like I said, Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization' are all evil things done and benefited by evildoers.
Proud of my man for not playing with that fascists denier with kids gloves... Thanks I get enraged when ppl play with these ppl with kids gloves 10:30
These are the graves of those killed in battle during the Spanish civil war not the "disappeared"!
Not accurate. Many of them were civilians living in towns. As the 97 year old woman said, someone wanted her father's job and went to the authorities and denounced her father as a "Communist". There was no due process or trial, people were rounded up and shot the next day just based on one person's accusation. To be fair, the same thing was happening in the areas controlled by the Republicans. My mother, a 20 year old living in Valencia, saw many people "accused" of being Franquistas by neighbors with grudges taken out and also shot at dawn. Yes, it is fair to call these people "disappeared" if they were buried in trenches with no records or identification.
Wen red terror graves ?
Whatabout from a fascist.
The 'Republicans' killed hundreds if not thousands of Catholic priests and nuns. This was payback.
Such great Catholics, no doubt 😂
Are you joking???? The Church had children raped to death and murdered. I am glad the Republic sought revenge for what the Church and Fascists did and are known to do to innocent children. Everyone hates that Catholic Church now because their crimes have come to light.
@@asturiasceltic3183 I am glad Franco dealt with republitards like you the way he did, a true Hero.
People should remember that it was not that long ago when Europe was full of wars, terrorism and dictatorships on top of other horrors. Funny how it takes about 30 years for people to forget everything, even when most of today's people lived through those times. There is a real worry behind political polarisation, all that horror begins from that. We should start to remind our selves what unites us and on what we can agree with, then start building on those things, that is the only way Europe stays safe place to live in.
Franco was a hero who put an end to the persecutions of Catholics.
By being very Christian mass murdering civilians. What a "hero".
Spain is an example of a nation that was successful in purging itself of communism. Viva Espana! Viva Generalissimo Franco!
Yeah you just had to kill millions of people and bury them in secret graves. You fascists always point to communists but you always end up murdering millions and creating nothing special.
@@billyscenic5610 millions? lmao
@@billyscenic5610millions? lmaooo
Uh huh, you do realize the Spanish Civil War was a fight for democracy and human rights. Every time someone mentions communism, I know they dont know their ash from a hole in the ground about the Spanish Civil War.
Jose Antonio presente !!
En el infierno
@@lanceroparaca1413🤓
You lost me at "Democratically elected Republic" You mean the one funded by Josef Stalin? A known lover of democracy and free speech!
The reporter is to argumentative and is straying away from unbiased journalism
11:44 it's true that maybe honouring the dead with his full name on the tombstone. It would alteast showed some compromise to the far right. In return it did not instigate protests, and they honour their leader with more decorum.
Well said. It's always better to figure out how to move forward uniting people under true freedom than to get caught up on one specific.
Damn this is messed up how this history is being hidden
It was a result of the 1980's transition. Everybody incluidng moderates, which is what Spain overwhelmingly is today, agreed this was the price for reentering a normal life and avoid a coup or a new war. Don't prosecute and don't dig up the past. This was good in the 1980's. Today, it should be dealt with once and for all, dig them up and give them a decent burial, just like people murdered by the anti-Franco camp were given, right when the war finished.
Here in the United States, we're dealing with a similar situation of entrenched willful ignorance predicated on the nostalgia of a period of indignity and injustice toward an entire population. While I'm confident that such ugliness and hatred will not prevail, stories such as this must be told and displayed in all its graphic detail. Doing so makes it less likely for history to be rewritten or whitewashed by those interested in doing so.
Thanks
You said a lot without really saying anything
But young people tend to forget,as we are forgeting that only 50 years ago we use to drink milk from U.S.A.at the school,and we were quite poor country.But if you try to talk about it to young people only a bunch will litsen.They are very bussy with their brand new lifes.
@@sereloho Yes, our youth often appear disengaged and disinterested in the hard lessons learned through their parent's experience. The good news is that they are, for the most part, listening, just not acknowledging. As a father of two now young adults, I can't help but smile when I hear the very familiar words, lessons, and advice my children impart to my grandchildren. Who knew? It turns out they were listening all along.
Best,
My family where involved in this civil war most of there bodies have never been found 💔
Vice, why do you ignore leftist massacres against nationalist civilians?
Because under Franco's regime they already got the recognition, however were the republican victims the ones that were silenced and terrorized during the dictatorship and after. Its not that dificult to understand
@@marcostf99As Falangist I'm glad Franco suppressed the communist scum who murdered the clergy .
@@marcostf99Yes it is, Russia doesnt dishonor their soviet past despite it being a horrible regime 10000x more brutal. The Falangist regime saved Spain from communism.
@@marcostf99 What a double standard. Unreal. You leftist really have no morals.
Franco acted in self-defense against the genocidal Communists.
Self defense while being outside of continental Spain? My ass.
@@lanceroparaca1413he was exiled there for opposing the leftist government.
Great video. I've lived in Spain and Gibraltar for close to 29 years and it's interesting to hear what the people who have lived through this have to share.
bro with the glasses is the most mental person i've ever seen
if anyone is more interested in this subject George Orwell (the guy who wrote 1984), wrote an amazing memoir about his experiences fighting in the Spanish civil war
I am thanks, what’s the name of the book?
Yes, he supported the Republic, he went there. But then he saw with his own eyes that the republicans and reds were murdering eachother instead of winning any battle against the fascits, killimg inocent people, torture, and political murders to their own. In fact at the end he understood why the fascists were fighting. In his own writtings we can see that he died with fear of being murdered by the russian like Trostky. He was actually in a list, requested a gun for protection to Heminway ans moved several times.
@@christopherpoole2185 "Homage to Catalonia"
@@christopherpoole2185 Homage to Catalonia if you didn't see the other person's comment
Yes. He was quite motivated when he came to Spain with the revolution but he became so dissapointed that he wrote later "Animal farm". He has also a quotation about how it was possible that the Spanish newspapers lied so much. That you would expect small lies and not the complete distortion of facts as they did. Yeah, he was worried by fascism. You can feel it. 😂
The things we do to one another 😞
@@Riverside1432 That's the thing though, we have the ability of foresight and choose to ignore it.