When we killed Bin Laden? I remember watching the news the morning after and seeing Brobama make the announcement. At that point I was old enough to understand the significance so I hustled upstairs and woke up my parents. We had like basically parties at school all day, real patriotic. The school played the Star Spangled Banner over the intercom at the beginning of school.
It didn't happen. The U.S. didn't take out Laden. There is a reason there is zero evidence they did and a reason they got rid of the body a.s.a.p. It is widely believed throughout the world that Laden died years earlier of health issues.
They killed Bin Laden on my birthday. We out getting drinks at a bar after dinner and out of no where there was a breaking news & President Obama was on tv saying that they got him. The whole bar went nuts!
I was a three year DEA Agent (34 years old after ten years as a local cop, mostly working narcotics) assigned to the San Francisco Field Division. I was in the very first week of the very first wiretap I had authored (drugs obviously). I was taking a shower and getting ready to drive in and spend sixteen hours or so supervising the contract monitors (Spanish speakers) who were actually listening to and translating the Spanish conversations being monitored. My wife came in talking about the crashes and I jumped out of the shower and watched the news coverage of the towers burning, dozens and dozens of people dropping from the windows (you can't find that footage now for obvious reasons because it's so shocking and horrible), and then the towers collapsing. Shortly after, my boss called me and told me the federal building was being evacuated while the extent of the threat to major federal buildings across the country was being considered and not to come in. I called the translators as they were driving across the Bay Bridge and told them they could not come into the building to monitor the wiretap (but we had to pay them anyway). I remember being very frustrated by the fact I was losing a day of monitoring since wiretaps are only authorized in thirty day increments. Later it sunk in to my brain that this event was probably the start of our next war and my wiretap case wasn't really all that important in comparison. We resumed normal operations a day later. Later during the wiretap, the investigation targets talked about how "what the bearded man did" would effect the security at the US border (with Mexico) and how it might impact their business (smuggling heroin in). I will never ever forget that day, or watching those people let go and drop to their deaths from those windows. Normal people who just went to their jobs that day, their last day. @40:55 The ISI is Pakistan's equivalent of the CIA. Essentially, she was telling her Station Chief the ISI had intentionally exposed his identity to the public/media (he would be a known and declared entity to the ISI since as the Station Chief he would meet, communicate, and pass intelligence to the ISI directly as the "face" of the CIA in Pakistan. @46:30 The point of CIA Director (later Secretary of Defense) Leon Panetta's (played by James Gandolfini RIP) long pause at this point is that he is obviously shocked that Pakistan's "West Point" is less than a mile from Bin Laden's hiding place and, of course, questions if the Pakistani government has known he was there the whole time or is actually complicit in hiding him (see info about ISI above.... our "friends" but not really "our friends.") @57:55 of course they heard that helo crash. But so what? A perimeter has already been set around the outside of that compound. Nobody is getting out of there. Options are pretty limited at that point I would think.
I was at work in Manhattan on 9/11. We had a view of the towers between two buildings and saw smoke coming from the first tower. I was working at a hedge fund at the time so the trading floor had a big screen TV playing CNN all day. Everyone rushed over and watched as they covered the news about a plane hitting the World Trade Center. I thought it was a small plane cause the damage didn't look big enough for a commercial airliner. We finally decided to head back to our desks and as we were walking, someone who had stayed at their desk on a phone call shouted "there's another one!". By the time I turned my head, all I saw was the fireball that came out the other side of the second tower. We hurried back to the trading floor and the owner of the company came out and said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "one plane is an accident, two planes is an attack. Finish whatever you're doing and go home". I ended up riding the subway with a co-worker because he lived close to where I lived. When we got to my stop, they announced that there were no more trains going in or out of Manhattan (I lived in Queens at the time) and that was the last stop for the train. I offered my co-worker a ride to his place and as we walked out of the station, we heard people talking about the first tower collapsing. And we were the lucky ones. I have friends who were downtown when the towers collapsed who were running for shelter from the debris that got kicked up. NYC was a mess the next few hours/days. With all public transportation shut down, people had to walk home out of Manhattan over the various bridges (my father being one of them. Took him 7 hours to get home). Manhattan was shut down for 3 days and we had fighter jets and helicopters flying overhead for a week. A few months later, I remember coming out of the subway for a job interview and the familiar street looked/felt different. I turned around and instead of the towers being there, it was open air. That street had always been shadowed by the towers and now sunlight shone down instead. That was surreal and heartbreaking at the same time. And let's not forget the attack on the Pentagon and the brave souls on Flight 93 that prevented an attack on a potential third target. Never forget.
This film was the first time I saw Jessica Chastain, and fell in love with her acting. I’ve seen her in about five other films since, and she was stellar.
I was at work in London on 9/11. We heard the news on the radio first. I remember the journey home on the tube, everyone was in total shock. Fast forward to 2005 and the London bombings and I had just moved out of London a few months earlier. My friend called me to say all public transport had been suspended and she was having to walk home which was several miles from where she had been at work. I was so glad to be out of London on that day.
10:11 According to one of my friends who's Muslim, dogs were considered dirty, very low, like a cockroach under your shoe, in their culture. He said that having a dog collar put on was one of the most humiliating and degrading acts/symbolism.
Anyone who doesnt value what safety & support a dog can have to a person, moreso trained, just took away survivor points from themselves. Haj fears the meat missile. heh
Chastain's character Maya is actually a composite of multiple people involved in the search for UBL. Amazing story. I'm sure it was dramatized for movie effect but I think it keeps close to the overall story.
While parts of her character are composites, she’s mostly based on a real singular individual, mentioned both by DEVGRU Operators Robert O’Neil and Matt Bissonnette (pen name Mark Owen) who met the real “Maya” shortly before, and after the raid and mentioned her in their books on the raid.
@@_p4ris4ch1ll6 "The Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture, released in December 2014, showed that Bikowsky was not only a key part of the torture program but also one of its chief apologists, resulting in the media's giving her the moniker "The Unidentified Queen of Torture." Which is the chief reason I can't endorse this movie. It glorifies a torturer.
You probably would get a kick out of THIRTEEN DAYS then, from 2000, starring Kevin Costner, about the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was SHOCKED how entertaining, interesting and suspenseful I found it when I watched it for the first time. Great history lesson too!
That is one night, that I will remember. Just as I will always remember where I was on 9/11. The night they announced that they got him, that they got Bin Laden. I broke down in tears. That was the night that all over the news, you could see people celebrating, and united. As Americans. No politics, just Americans.
9/11 I had just landed from Japan via Chicago from overseas deployment so I had landed about 4 hrs before the terrorists started their op. I had been in the Marine Corps at that time for 17 years. Needless to say once I was able to I reported back to Camp Pendleton Ca with the 1st Marine Division and that would start my personal war on terror for the next 8 years. I retired in 2009 and had turned over my position to another Marine who I kept in touch with. I was working on a project for DoD and he told me one of the US Tier units actually got him. It was great satisfaction to know they finally got him. Those guys are absolute professionals and they are a national treasure for sure.
I was at COP Penich when this happened. It’s right on the Pakistan border. The QRF for the raid landed and was on standby there while the op was going on.
I was at home getting ready for school (I was in 3rd grade) and my dad and I were watching the news and I remember asking my dad “why did the pilot run into the building? Did they not see the building?” My dad just stared at the screen in silence
I really enjoyed watching “Zero Dark Thirty”. It’s a great and movie with a incredible story as it’s about 9/11 and what happened prior to that. Jessica Chastain was great and so was the whole cast. It had realistic touch to it, with drama and the direction was great. It’s a film worthy of 5 Oscar nominations. I loved the storyline and the whole tension feel to this film. Loved your reaction/analysis, take care and have a good one😁❤️
I like that movie too although it took time before I decided to watch it. The script, the cast, everything is so well done. And Jessica Chastain is amazing
i love the "Oh come on they had to of heard that". Yes they prob did, but it doesn't matter when you got 20 plus DEVGRU guys swarming your entire compound in the pitch black dark and they can see you but you can't see them. They stood no fuckin chance whether they heard the helicopters or not.
Such a good movie! As a German, with this Movie i learned a little bit about how the Americans must have felt to kill Bin Laden, after years of War and Military Involvements throughout the years (War on Terror). For Europeans like myself, unfortunately the Terror Acts caused by the IS was our Experience with Terrorism. Berlin for example. Or ofc Paris. Besides London, where it was way before.
This was an interesting movie when I watched it last year, almost felt like a movie-documentary at times. Good performances especially by Jessica Chastain.
While based on a true story, it is important to note that one of the more egregious creative liberties is taken within this story, which is giving way too much credit to torture. We know, from the multiple instances it happened that torturing is not a good way of getting information, and the vast majority of the time the victim will start confessing to lies in hopes the torture will end.
Torture did happen, but it was not the reason they were able to get that information. When the film came out, people complained about as if it shouldn’t have been shown or it wasn’t real. It was real, but it has been basically revealed that the intel gotten from it didn’t lead to Bin Laden’s location.
Even in the film though, it seemed like they didn't actually get anything until they tried to psychologically trick rather than torture the prisoner. Wasn't it after they let him get dressed and fed him, and acted like someone else had already spilled the beans, that they got any relevant info out of him?
Jessica Chastain was great in this one & Jennifer Ehle is one of my favorite English Actresses, besides Kate Winslet and Kate Blanchett. I fell in Love with her when she played Lizzie in Pride & Prejudice on the BBC. Her Mom is Rosemary Harris, another phenomenal Actress.
“Silencers” are a movie creation. They use Suppressors and sub-sonic ammunition. They are exactly as loud as you hear them. Without subsonic ammo its about as loud as a firecracker.
The opening scenes of torture are brutal and the victim in the scene deserved what he got. But the CIA also captured and tortured far too many men who actually didn't know anything, weren't involved but we're still held and tortured without any rights for over 10 years. Some of these men have rightfully sued us for the things that we have done. In the end, there are plenty of studies on torture that shows it doesn't work. The victim will just give any information to make the pain stop and it's almost never reliable or useful info. Often a victim will say over and over "I don't know anything" and be telling the truth but be tortured more and more untill they just make something up. When someone being tortured says "I don't know anything", the torture continues if it is true or not. Resulting in the extraction of lots of confusing information that contradicts real confessions, giving wrong names, numbers, dates and causing a muddy pile up of unreliable chaos. No one ends up knowing who's who or what's what. This is why torture is never the answer and we should never do it.
But unless you literally show these torture camps on TV every day, the American public will forget about it in a week. Guantanamo is still open ffs, despite claims from Obama and Biden to close it down.. And god knows how many back sites around the planet.
I was in Jalalabad in 2011. I remember the section of the base they had walled off where the Delta guys were located, with their own hanger. The morning Bin Laden's death was announced, we had just left the base, and were working with some local Afghan Police, having to drive past that part of the base to leave. I consider it a genuine possibility that I i was within 100 yards of Bin Ladens body that morning. It's an interesting thing to reflect on.
On the topic of war films taking place post-9/11, I recommend "12 Strong" with Chris Hemsworth. It goes over the Horse Soldiers, some of the first soldiers deployed in the Middle East after 9/11. It seems a bit dramatized (as per movie standards) but the subject matter is interesting.
To answer the night vision. The barrel of the gun has a ir labor that the green light picks up and that's what they use as aiming down sights. Some optics alow you to look through a scoop. But most of the time it's a Lazer pointer at the end of the barrel.
I was in police training when 9/11 occurred. It was surreal to learn about the attacks the morning it occurred when my officer informed our squad as we're getting ready to march. During our break time, as we hung around the officer's mess our eyes were glued to the TV as the news came in. Thence our vigilance became really heightened. Love this movie. Saw it twice at the theatre. It was nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars but lost to Ben Affleck's "Argo". That was also a good movie despite whatever people are saying. And I still remember the former US First Lady, Michelle Obama, announced the winner. It was novel but unusual. I think both Argo and Zero Dark Thirty are companions to each other even though they told different stories yet as true as they were, they're engaging and riveting to watch. Highly recommend you guys to watch and react to Argo too.
These movies are all good: 13 hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghaz (2016), Three Kings (1999), The Outpost (2020), Act of Valour (2012) Okay, so I’ll add some complimentary info regarding the hunt for UBL. 1.)In real life, the courier made a very small error and that was enough for the CIA to make an effort to find him and tail him. His mistake was while making a phone call to someone, he mentioned this phrase “I’m still working for the same people“ This was enough proof for the CIA, after this, they started looking for him intently.
@White Noise Reacts If you want one more good military movie I would suggest "Act of Valor". It features real life NAVY SEALs in the film and I think it's underrated!
I only remember where i was when i heard the planes hit and where i was when i realized it was gonna be a problem. I was in school and we got send home. I got home and my dad was home form work early ( unheard of at that point) and i remember a couple days later seeing Bushs speech.
The helicopter crashed because in the training mock up they didn’t build a wall so the conditions weren’t exact and the heat and the wall created a weird vortex condition that caused it to lose lift and crash. There’s been detailed videos about the raid since it happened it’s crazy atp someone still wouldn’t know about it.
It’s not that crazy. Not everyone is into watching videos about navy seal raids. It’s information you have to specifically search out. Not knowing who Gal Gadot or Tom Holland is crazy. Not knowing about a specific wall that wasn’t in a mock-up, which caused a vortex during a raid almost 15 years ago (when these guys were like 8 or 9 years old) is not crazy.
I believe the mockup that they practiced with was almost exact, except for a small section of the wall used a chainlink fence that was not present at the real compound. On the real compound, the downforce of air from the landing helicopter had nowhere to escape within the solid walls, which from my limited physics knowledge means the helicopter has a difficulty generating lift. It was a very small difference, but with aircraft and the physics of airflow, that can have a massive impact.
@@critic7127 The cause of the crash was loss of lift. Loss of lift was caused when the aircraft entered a vortex ring state--an aerodynamic phenomena--within the confining walls of the compound, along with the heat (even at night). Even max power was insufficient to overcome the condition. In the US, UK, and Australia, the condition is also called "settling with power." Check out "vortex ring state" in Wikipedia.
You asked “wonder how that works?” With the night vision on the Snipers long Gun. Essentially, it’s a rail mounted night vision monocular that mounts directly in front of the long guns optic. When the shooter looks through his magnified optic, his field of vision continues through that night vision monocular and produces a night vision optic for the shooter. It can be put on or taken off in seconds.
Yes in Arabic they have adopted a name but usually fathers with sons called Ahmed for example are called Abu Ahmed which is Ahmed’s father. So it can be made up for a cover up and it can can be driven from blood relations.
The commander who shows Maya to Bin Laden’s body is supposed to be Admiral William McRaven, the man in charge of the military operation. In more recent years, he is also known as the guy from the viral speech “Make Your Bed” and subsequently from the same-name book.
The most brilliant moment in the film is when the interpreter yells in english "go back, they will kill you". Just hearing english is what they needed to know and that was such a powerful moving making choice
me, this whole movie: Callan Mulvey Callan Mulvey Callan Mulvey CALLAN MULVEYYYY this movie is really reall good. i always find myself watching it when it is on tv
I soooo totally r'mem when I saw 911 on the news, I got home and switched on CNN (I usually do that, just to kinda know what's been going... while I put down my stuff and get changed etc...) and I watched the twin towers on Fire and stuff... my BF at the time (god I feel old) and we hadn't realized what's REALLY going on and we LITERALLY said to each other like... "When did CNN start to show Movies?" ... it took a few minutes for us to realize IT was REAL!!! I mean.... HOLY SH*T!!!
I really don’t blame the US officials for being skeptical of the compound being UBL’s because if it turned out not to be him, that could blow their entire operation. He’d have to be moved again, likely to another country, starting the whole ten year process all over again
Just to clarify, they made the CIA lady (Jennifer Ehle) look like an idiot in this movie by letting the "mole" inside the base for what seems like her just being afraid that he'll get scared. What the movie doesn't show is that the Doctor/mole has been giving intelligence to the US and Jordanians for years. This guy literally planned this for years before the US even set their sights on him. He was giving up low-ranking members of Al-Qaeda knowing that he'll eventually get a meeting with the US. Jennifer Ehle's character had 0 reason not to trust Al-Balawi when all he has done before the bombing was give them exactly what they wanted.
56:38 in case y'all didn't understand what just happened, the air bouncing off walls of the compound created this like air flow, an updraft that pretty much pulled the chopper down. Afaik it's called a Vortex Ring State (VRS), short course is that it happens when the rotor disc doesn’t have enough clean air to generate sufficient lift to keep the aircraft from settling-it can be caught in its own wash or turbulence from surface features. (Do know that I'm no physics or aerodynamics expert, I'm pretty much saying what I heard and dound on the internet. So if I stated something wrong, do please correct me dear replies.) Funny thing was, I remember watching in a podcast from one of the SEALs who was with the other group (the one that landed outside the compound), they didn't knew the chopper had crashed and thought Bin Laden had a mock-up of their chopper and was ready for them lmao.
Watching baseball... then Geraldo... Then screaming for joy in the living loom - you guys who were too young to remember or hadn't been born yet have no idea how scary the 10 years prior in history this really was.
2 war movie suggestions The Pianist and Pearl Harbor (with Ben Affleck I think) and a movie about 9/11 that's based on real people called World Trade Center with Nicolas Cage Also there's a moive called White House Down with Jamie Fox and Channing Tatum about an attack on the white house. I vaguely remember watching these movies and it would be cool to rewatch with you guys.
War movie suggestions. Older classics: The Great Escape, Bridge over the River Kwai, The Deer Hunter, The Dirty Dozen. More recent greats: Master and Commander, Good Morning Vietnam, The Hurt Locker, Platoon, Saving Private Ryan. Not easy watching these so intersperse with Dodgeball or equivalent :)
I highly recommend, "The Outpost"! Based on the best-selling nonfiction book The Outpost: An Untold Story of American Valor by CNN’s chief Washington correspondent Jake Tapper, THE OUTPOST chronicles the true story of the 53 U.S. soldiers who tried to repel an overwhelming attack by almost 400 Taliban insurgents at Combat Outpost Keating in northeastern Afghanistan. It was easily the most heroic American battle in a generation - one in which two soldiers, Staff Sergeant Clint Romesha and Specialist Ty Carter received the Medal of Honor, the first time in fifty years that two living servicemen were recognized with the award for the same battle.
I still remember 911 as if it were yesterday. I was 7 years old in my class when my teacher got a phone call, she turned pale and she went to the TV. Being young kids, we were excited because we thought we were gonna watch a movie but instead she turned on the news just when the South Tower was hit. The whole class was silent until a little girl started to cry and the entire classroom erupted in tears. My teacher got a lot of trouble for that and I came home to my grandfather watching CNN which was something he never did and he told me that bad people attacked us. Fast forward to the day we found out that SOB was finally located and shot. I was watching a movie when my mom screamed bloody murder, I ran to see her watching the news that said that he was finally eliminated. I ran out of my house screaming praises and chanting USA. The next day at school, everybody was talking about it and how happy they were
There has been a lot of controversy about the actual details of the raid, I believe there are 3 different public versions of what happened. And if you've ever heard Rob O'Neill tell his version of it, the way it is portrayed in this film seems to be pretty much on par with the way he tells it, including the part Nobu mentioned where they blew the outside gate & it was a fake.
Another war movie I recommend, based on real events is 13 Hours, about the story of the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11, 2012, and how during 13 Hours, the US personnel there, had to resist continuous guerrilla attacks all night long, really a very extreme situation. And Captain Phillips, although it is not a war movie, but the army is involved in the rescue of the US cargo ship, hijacked by Somali pirates, commanded by Captain Phillips, played by Tom Hanks, a very good movie, also based on a real event.
Wanna hear a bit of the real story from the JSOC side of things? Jocko podcast episode 290 w Admiral Bill McRaven. Absolutely astonishing to listen to. The "make your bed" Texas graduation speech? Thats him. 38 years in Naval special warfare, a living legend.
You have to see The Hurt Locker with Jeremy Renner, by the same director, Kathryn Bigelow, but a much better film than this one, in fact that one did win the Oscar for Best Picture.
You (and everyone else who can take it) should search YT for a video of *Christopher Hitchens getting waterboarded.* Hitchens was an epic journalist who was volunteered to be waterboarded (like Ammar in the beginning) so he could write about it for Vanity Fair. They hired former interrogators to actually do it. The article he wrote is simply titled *"Believe Me, It's Torture".*
You guys absolutely have to watch the new dungeons and dragons film, its a really cool film and it fits the genre amazingly while also being incredibly funny 😂
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Where were you when this happened??
I was 3 ❤ but i remember learning about it at school and all those families involved that day, such a traumatic event 😢 🥀
When we killed Bin Laden? I remember watching the news the morning after and seeing Brobama make the announcement. At that point I was old enough to understand the significance so I hustled upstairs and woke up my parents.
We had like basically parties at school all day, real patriotic. The school played the Star Spangled Banner over the intercom at the beginning of school.
It didn't happen. The U.S. didn't take out Laden. There is a reason there is zero evidence they did and a reason they got rid of the body a.s.a.p.
It is widely believed throughout the world that Laden died years earlier of health issues.
They killed Bin Laden on my birthday. We out getting drinks at a bar after dinner and out of no where there was a breaking news & President Obama was on tv saying that they got him. The whole bar went nuts!
I was a three year DEA Agent (34 years old after ten years as a local cop, mostly working narcotics) assigned to the San Francisco Field Division. I was in the very first week of the very first wiretap I had authored (drugs obviously). I was taking a shower and getting ready to drive in and spend sixteen hours or so supervising the contract monitors (Spanish speakers) who were actually listening to and translating the Spanish conversations being monitored. My wife came in talking about the crashes and I jumped out of the shower and watched the news coverage of the towers burning, dozens and dozens of people dropping from the windows (you can't find that footage now for obvious reasons because it's so shocking and horrible), and then the towers collapsing. Shortly after, my boss called me and told me the federal building was being evacuated while the extent of the threat to major federal buildings across the country was being considered and not to come in. I called the translators as they were driving across the Bay Bridge and told them they could not come into the building to monitor the wiretap (but we had to pay them anyway). I remember being very frustrated by the fact I was losing a day of monitoring since wiretaps are only authorized in thirty day increments. Later it sunk in to my brain that this event was probably the start of our next war and my wiretap case wasn't really all that important in comparison. We resumed normal operations a day later. Later during the wiretap, the investigation targets talked about how "what the bearded man did" would effect the security at the US border (with Mexico) and how it might impact their business (smuggling heroin in). I will never ever forget that day, or watching those people let go and drop to their deaths from those windows. Normal people who just went to their jobs that day, their last day.
@40:55 The ISI is Pakistan's equivalent of the CIA. Essentially, she was telling her Station Chief the ISI had intentionally exposed his identity to the public/media (he would be a known and declared entity to the ISI since as the Station Chief he would meet, communicate, and pass intelligence to the ISI directly as the "face" of the CIA in Pakistan.
@46:30 The point of CIA Director (later Secretary of Defense) Leon Panetta's (played by James Gandolfini RIP) long pause at this point is that he is obviously shocked that Pakistan's "West Point" is less than a mile from Bin Laden's hiding place and, of course, questions if the Pakistani government has known he was there the whole time or is actually complicit in hiding him (see info about ISI above.... our "friends" but not really "our friends.")
@57:55 of course they heard that helo crash. But so what? A perimeter has already been set around the outside of that compound. Nobody is getting out of there. Options are pretty limited at that point I would think.
I was at work in Manhattan on 9/11. We had a view of the towers between two buildings and saw smoke coming from the first tower. I was working at a hedge fund at the time so the trading floor had a big screen TV playing CNN all day. Everyone rushed over and watched as they covered the news about a plane hitting the World Trade Center. I thought it was a small plane cause the damage didn't look big enough for a commercial airliner. We finally decided to head back to our desks and as we were walking, someone who had stayed at their desk on a phone call shouted "there's another one!". By the time I turned my head, all I saw was the fireball that came out the other side of the second tower. We hurried back to the trading floor and the owner of the company came out and said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "one plane is an accident, two planes is an attack. Finish whatever you're doing and go home". I ended up riding the subway with a co-worker because he lived close to where I lived. When we got to my stop, they announced that there were no more trains going in or out of Manhattan (I lived in Queens at the time) and that was the last stop for the train. I offered my co-worker a ride to his place and as we walked out of the station, we heard people talking about the first tower collapsing. And we were the lucky ones. I have friends who were downtown when the towers collapsed who were running for shelter from the debris that got kicked up. NYC was a mess the next few hours/days. With all public transportation shut down, people had to walk home out of Manhattan over the various bridges (my father being one of them. Took him 7 hours to get home). Manhattan was shut down for 3 days and we had fighter jets and helicopters flying overhead for a week. A few months later, I remember coming out of the subway for a job interview and the familiar street looked/felt different. I turned around and instead of the towers being there, it was open air. That street had always been shadowed by the towers and now sunlight shone down instead. That was surreal and heartbreaking at the same time.
And let's not forget the attack on the Pentagon and the brave souls on Flight 93 that prevented an attack on a potential third target.
Never forget.
Don't you two ever quit talking. You might learn something!
This film was the first time I saw Jessica Chastain, and fell in love with her acting. I’ve seen her in about five other films since, and she was stellar.
I see what you did there.
was she ever possibly interstellar and not just stellar
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Reminds me of my eldest sister who used to drag drunks out of a pub she worked at.
I was at work in London on 9/11. We heard the news on the radio first. I remember the journey home on the tube, everyone was in total shock. Fast forward to 2005 and the London bombings and I had just moved out of London a few months earlier. My friend called me to say all public transport had been suspended and she was having to walk home which was several miles from where she had been at work. I was so glad to be out of London on that day.
Zero dark thirty really is an incredible and fantastic story. Also a great movie as well.
10:11 According to one of my friends who's Muslim, dogs were considered dirty, very low, like a cockroach under your shoe, in their culture. He said that having a dog collar put on was one of the most humiliating and degrading acts/symbolism.
Which makes it all the funnier how special forces would tear some of them apart with dogs
Anyone who doesnt value what safety & support a dog can have to a person, moreso trained, just took away survivor points from themselves. Haj fears the meat missile. heh
Chastain's character Maya is actually a composite of multiple people involved in the search for UBL. Amazing story. I'm sure it was dramatized for movie effect but I think it keeps close to the overall story.
While parts of her character are composites, she’s mostly based on a real singular individual, mentioned both by DEVGRU Operators Robert O’Neil and Matt Bissonnette (pen name Mark Owen) who met the real “Maya” shortly before, and after the raid and mentioned her in their books on the raid.
Thats the real Maya after a bit of googling en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfreda_Frances_Bikowsky
Yeah, I was just coming here to say that. She's based on an actual person. Not simply a composite
@@_p4ris4ch1ll6 "The Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture, released in December 2014, showed that Bikowsky was not only a key part of the torture program but also one of its chief apologists, resulting in the media's giving her the moniker "The Unidentified Queen of Torture." Which is the chief reason I can't endorse this movie. It glorifies a torturer.
Maya is a real person, and she's done more work beyond just UBL
You probably would get a kick out of THIRTEEN DAYS then, from 2000, starring Kevin Costner, about the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was SHOCKED how entertaining, interesting and suspenseful I found it when I watched it for the first time. Great history lesson too!
That is one night, that I will remember. Just as I will always remember where I was on 9/11. The night they announced that they got him, that they got Bin Laden. I broke down in tears. That was the night that all over the news, you could see people celebrating, and united. As Americans. No politics, just Americans.
Not only americans too, many in europe celebrated with you! unfortunate those suckers are still a realistic threat to this day.
9/11 I had just landed from Japan via Chicago from overseas deployment so I had landed about 4 hrs before the terrorists started their op. I had been in the Marine Corps at that time for 17 years. Needless to say once I was able to I reported back to Camp Pendleton Ca with the 1st Marine Division and that would start my personal war on terror for the next 8 years. I retired in 2009 and had turned over my position to another Marine who I kept in touch with. I was working on a project for DoD and he told me one of the US Tier units actually got him. It was great satisfaction to know they finally got him. Those guys are absolute professionals and they are a national treasure for sure.
I was at COP Penich when this happened. It’s right on the Pakistan border. The QRF for the raid landed and was on standby there while the op was going on.
I was at home getting ready for school (I was in 3rd grade) and my dad and I were watching the news and I remember asking my dad “why did the pilot run into the building? Did they not see the building?” My dad just stared at the screen in silence
I’ll never forget seeing this in the theater opening weekend. Packed theater and the last hour not a pin drop. Nobody got up or made a sound.
I really enjoyed watching “Zero Dark Thirty”. It’s a great and movie with a incredible story as it’s about 9/11 and what happened prior to that. Jessica Chastain was great and so was the whole cast. It had realistic touch to it, with drama and the direction was great. It’s a film worthy of 5 Oscar nominations. I loved the storyline and the whole tension feel to this film. Loved your reaction/analysis, take care and have a good one😁❤️
I loved the actual operation, the way they would say their names in the dark like ghosts before taking them out. Spooky stuff
Jessica c. is in my top 10 actresses of all time. She’s Absolutely fantastic in every role
I like that movie too although it took time before I decided to watch it. The script, the cast, everything is so well done. And Jessica Chastain is amazing
i love the "Oh come on they had to of heard that". Yes they prob did, but it doesn't matter when you got 20 plus DEVGRU guys swarming your entire compound in the pitch black dark and they can see you but you can't see them. They stood no fuckin chance whether they heard the helicopters or not.
i'm thrilled this is a first watch for you *both*
these reactions are so much better, imo.
One of my favorite movies...
Such a good movie! As a German, with this Movie i learned a little bit about how the Americans must have felt to kill Bin Laden, after years of War and Military Involvements throughout the years (War on Terror).
For Europeans like myself, unfortunately the Terror Acts caused by the IS was our Experience with Terrorism. Berlin for example. Or ofc Paris.
Besides London, where it was way before.
This was an interesting movie when I watched it last year, almost felt like a movie-documentary at times. Good performances especially by Jessica Chastain.
“Does anyone remember 9/11? Cuz I wasn’t alive.”
Me: OOF… man, I am OLD 🤣 and not even that old!
My feelings exactly!! 🙈
@@tinahastie😂 I was 3
@@jessicacaleno1998 stop flexing your youngness😂😉! I was 14!!! 🙈😂👵🏻
@@tinahastie Y’all stop! I was 33..
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 hahahaha I'm finally younger than someone!! 😂
I appreciate you guys upping the brightness of the raid. In other reactions the sequence is so hard to see.
Super fun reaction. Thanks!
Nominated for 5 Oscars including Best Picture but won for Best Sound Editing.
well movie is literally propaganda funded and written by usa military
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While based on a true story, it is important to note that one of the more egregious creative liberties is taken within this story, which is giving way too much credit to torture. We know, from the multiple instances it happened that torturing is not a good way of getting information, and the vast majority of the time the victim will start confessing to lies in hopes the torture will end.
Torture did happen, but it was not the reason they were able to get that information. When the film came out, people complained about as if it shouldn’t have been shown or it wasn’t real. It was real, but it has been basically revealed that the intel gotten from it didn’t lead to Bin Laden’s location.
Even in the film though, it seemed like they didn't actually get anything until they tried to psychologically trick rather than torture the prisoner. Wasn't it after they let him get dressed and fed him, and acted like someone else had already spilled the beans, that they got any relevant info out of him?
They showed it in the movie tho, that the torture was practically ineffective. They resorted to psychological tricks to get the info
Do “Body of lies” next. The cast is amazing like Leonardo DiCaprio, Russell Crowe, Oscar Isaac
But it is more of a spy movie
I was today years old when I discovered Nobu is older than James 🤣
Jessica Chastain was great in this one & Jennifer Ehle is one of my favorite English Actresses, besides Kate Winslet and Kate Blanchett. I fell in Love with her when she played Lizzie in Pride & Prejudice on the BBC. Her Mom is Rosemary Harris, another phenomenal Actress.
“Silencers” are a movie creation. They use Suppressors and sub-sonic ammunition. They are exactly as loud as you hear them. Without subsonic ammo its about as loud as a firecracker.
The opening scenes of torture are brutal and the victim in the scene deserved what he got.
But the CIA also captured and tortured far too many men who actually didn't know anything, weren't involved but we're still held and tortured without any rights for over 10 years.
Some of these men have rightfully sued us for the things that we have done.
In the end, there are plenty of studies on torture that shows it doesn't work.
The victim will just give any information to make the pain stop and it's almost never reliable or useful info.
Often a victim will say over and over "I don't know anything" and be telling the truth but be tortured more and more untill they just make something up.
When someone being tortured says "I don't know anything", the torture continues if it is true or not.
Resulting in the extraction of lots of confusing information that contradicts real confessions, giving wrong names, numbers, dates and causing a muddy pile up of unreliable chaos.
No one ends up knowing who's who or what's what.
This is why torture is never the answer and we should never do it.
But unless you literally show these torture camps on TV every day, the American public will forget about it in a week.
Guantanamo is still open ffs, despite claims from Obama and Biden to close it down.. And god knows how many back sites around the planet.
Very important point to make! Thank you!
Most childish take I'll ever read.
@@jonnybgoode7742 oh. Big fan of torture are you?
Sorry mate.
I'm afraid you lost.
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educate yourself
This is one of my most favorite movies ever. Love that you’re watching!😊
I was in Jalalabad in 2011. I remember the section of the base they had walled off where the Delta guys were located, with their own hanger.
The morning Bin Laden's death was announced, we had just left the base, and were working with some local Afghan Police, having to drive past that part of the base to leave.
I consider it a genuine possibility that I i was within 100 yards of Bin Ladens body that morning. It's an interesting thing to reflect on.
Argo is another great high intense movie. Won best picture at the Oscars the same year Zero Dark Thirty was nominated.
On the topic of war films taking place post-9/11, I recommend "12 Strong" with Chris Hemsworth. It goes over the Horse Soldiers, some of the first soldiers deployed in the Middle East after 9/11. It seems a bit dramatized (as per movie standards) but the subject matter is interesting.
To answer the night vision. The barrel of the gun has a ir labor that the green light picks up and that's what they use as aiming down sights. Some optics alow you to look through a scoop. But most of the time it's a Lazer pointer at the end of the barrel.
I was in police training when 9/11 occurred. It was surreal to learn about the attacks the morning it occurred when my officer informed our squad as we're getting ready to march. During our break time, as we hung around the officer's mess our eyes were glued to the TV as the news came in. Thence our vigilance became really heightened.
Love this movie. Saw it twice at the theatre. It was nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars but lost to Ben Affleck's "Argo". That was also a good movie despite whatever people are saying. And I still remember the former US First Lady, Michelle Obama, announced the winner. It was novel but unusual.
I think both Argo and Zero Dark Thirty are companions to each other even though they told different stories yet as true as they were, they're engaging and riveting to watch.
Highly recommend you guys to watch and react to Argo too.
"Don't be so inquisitive" This isn't a game of Among Us, that guy knows they want info
Never forget. LEGENDS NEVER DIE. These people, like many of us we fight for family, freedom and country. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I might be mistaken, but i'm pretty sure UBL's compound is an exact replica of the actual compound in Pakistan
These movies are all good: 13 hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghaz (2016), Three Kings (1999), The Outpost (2020), Act of Valour (2012)
Okay, so I’ll add some complimentary info regarding the hunt for UBL.
1.)In real life, the courier made a very small error and that was enough for the CIA to make an effort to find him and tail him. His mistake was while making a phone call to someone, he mentioned this phrase “I’m still working for the same people“ This was enough proof for the CIA, after this, they started looking for him intently.
@White Noise Reacts If you want one more good military movie I would suggest "Act of Valor". It features real life NAVY SEALs in the film and I think it's underrated!
I only remember where i was when i heard the planes hit and where i was when i realized it was gonna be a problem. I was in school and we got send home. I got home and my dad was home form work early ( unheard of at that point) and i remember a couple days later seeing Bushs speech.
Kathryn Bigelow is the Director - she also directed The Hurt Locker.
The helicopter crashed because in the training mock up they didn’t build a wall so the conditions weren’t exact and the heat and the wall created a weird vortex condition that caused it to lose lift and crash. There’s been detailed videos about the raid since it happened it’s crazy atp someone still wouldn’t know about it.
It’s not that crazy. Not everyone is into watching videos about navy seal raids. It’s information you have to specifically search out. Not knowing who Gal Gadot or Tom Holland is crazy. Not knowing about a specific wall that wasn’t in a mock-up, which caused a vortex during a raid almost 15 years ago (when these guys were like 8 or 9 years old) is not crazy.
I believe the mockup that they practiced with was almost exact, except for a small section of the wall used a chainlink fence that was not present at the real compound. On the real compound, the downforce of air from the landing helicopter had nowhere to escape within the solid walls, which from my limited physics knowledge means the helicopter has a difficulty generating lift. It was a very small difference, but with aircraft and the physics of airflow, that can have a massive impact.
are you trying to troll@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192
@@critic7127 The cause of the crash was loss of lift. Loss of lift was caused when the aircraft entered a vortex ring state--an aerodynamic phenomena--within the confining walls of the compound, along with the heat (even at night). Even max power was insufficient to overcome the condition. In the US, UK, and Australia, the condition is also called "settling with power." Check out "vortex ring state" in Wikipedia.
If all 4 of you guys reacted to “Pitch Perfect” I think that would be one of the best videos on the channel 😂
My guys, we're 11 mins in. Ya'll are talking over the crucial points and ask wait why? Watch the movie,it'll explain it
gotta watch 13 hours lots of emotions
You asked “wonder how that works?” With the night vision on the Snipers long Gun. Essentially, it’s a rail mounted night vision monocular that mounts directly in front of the long guns optic. When the shooter looks through his magnified optic, his field of vision continues through that night vision monocular and produces a night vision optic for the shooter. It can be put on or taken off in seconds.
Silencers are movie guys, in real life they are suppressors which do nothing when the bullet hits the bone 🦴
War movies I would recommend highly would be tears of the sun, 13 hours secret soldiers of Bingazi and we were soldiers
Yes in Arabic they have adopted a name but usually fathers with sons called Ahmed for example are called Abu Ahmed which is Ahmed’s father. So it can be made up for a cover up and it can can be driven from blood relations.
Most Arabs don't do this anymore, this is an outdated naming practice
@@aj897 this isn’t the point at all I’m just responding to James question! Outdated or not it used to be a thing!!
"They have to have heard that!" - "Well I dunno maybe they're heavy sleepers..." - Oh they're ABOUT to go for a looooong sleep...
The commander who shows Maya to Bin Laden’s body is supposed to be Admiral William McRaven, the man in charge of the military operation. In more recent years, he is also known as the guy from the viral speech “Make Your Bed” and subsequently from the same-name book.
Glory is an amazing movie!! Good choice!
Great movie
Jessica Chastain is such a badass. Loved her in this!
I was driving to school on 911. Listening to Howard Stern. When I arrived I went straight to the "computer lab". They canceled all classes soon after.
Do “13 Hours” next and I’ll go off about government ineptitude and conspiracy theories. Do it. C’mon, do it.
hey.. that government ineptitide made for a good movie..
@@jeremycovelli the men made for a good movie. Credit where it’s due.
The most brilliant moment in the film is when the interpreter yells in english "go back, they will kill you". Just hearing english is what they needed to know and that was such a powerful moving making choice
me, this whole movie: Callan Mulvey Callan Mulvey Callan Mulvey CALLAN MULVEYYYY
this movie is really reall good. i always find myself watching it when it is on tv
You notice black cat crossing when camo chapman attack
Have you watched 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi. It's great!
I soooo totally r'mem when I saw 911 on the news, I got home and switched on CNN (I usually do that, just to kinda know what's been going... while I put down my stuff and get changed etc...) and I watched the twin towers on Fire and stuff... my BF at the time (god I feel old) and we hadn't realized what's REALLY going on and we LITERALLY said to each other like... "When did CNN start to show Movies?" ... it took a few minutes for us to realize IT was REAL!!! I mean.... HOLY SH*T!!!
I really don’t blame the US officials for being skeptical of the compound being UBL’s because if it turned out not to be him, that could blow their entire operation. He’d have to be moved again, likely to another country, starting the whole ten year process all over again
You guys should watch 13 hours and green zone next
This movie is exactly True friend. Trust me 23 YEARS IN CORE.
Just to clarify, they made the CIA lady (Jennifer Ehle) look like an idiot in this movie by letting the "mole" inside the base for what seems like her just being afraid that he'll get scared. What the movie doesn't show is that the Doctor/mole has been giving intelligence to the US and Jordanians for years. This guy literally planned this for years before the US even set their sights on him. He was giving up low-ranking members of Al-Qaeda knowing that he'll eventually get a meeting with the US. Jennifer Ehle's character had 0 reason not to trust Al-Balawi when all he has done before the bombing was give them exactly what they wanted.
One of my favorite movies
Awesome movie!
Starlord, Owen Lars, and KGBeast on SEAL Team 6.
56:38 in case y'all didn't understand what just happened, the air bouncing off walls of the compound created this like air flow, an updraft that pretty much pulled the chopper down.
Afaik it's called a Vortex Ring State (VRS), short course is that it happens when the rotor disc doesn’t have enough clean air to generate sufficient lift to keep the aircraft from settling-it can be caught in its own wash or turbulence from surface features.
(Do know that I'm no physics or aerodynamics expert, I'm pretty much saying what I heard and dound on the internet. So if I stated something wrong, do please correct me dear replies.)
Funny thing was, I remember watching in a podcast from one of the SEALs who was with the other group (the one that landed outside the compound), they didn't knew the chopper had crashed and thought Bin Laden had a mock-up of their chopper and was ready for them lmao.
highly recommend watching Mel Gibson's war movie Hacksaw Ridge. Andrew Garfield delivers another brilliant performance there
Zero Dark Thirty was the end of American War on Terror & 911, Black Hawk Down was the beginning of this odyssey. Both are great war movies.
Watching baseball... then Geraldo... Then screaming for joy in the living loom - you guys who were too young to remember or hadn't been born yet have no idea how scary the 10 years prior in history this really was.
2 war movie suggestions The Pianist and Pearl Harbor (with Ben Affleck I think) and a movie about 9/11 that's based on real people called World Trade Center with Nicolas Cage
Also there's a moive called White House Down with Jamie Fox and Channing Tatum about an attack on the white house.
I vaguely remember watching these movies and it would be cool to rewatch with you guys.
We waterboard our own special forces guys in training during SERE training.
That's not actually how the stealth helichoppers look. They estimated for the film because it's classified.
Apocalypse Now if you haven’t see it
me a french, who'd never forget 9/11 kinda choked right there
[1:01:39] They're definitely using suppressed 220gr 300 Blackout.
#LVAW
If you liked this movie then you may also like "Body of Lies", Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Directed by Ridley Scott.
War movie suggestions. Older classics: The Great Escape, Bridge over the River Kwai, The Deer Hunter, The Dirty Dozen. More recent greats: Master and Commander, Good Morning Vietnam, The Hurt Locker, Platoon, Saving Private Ryan. Not easy watching these so intersperse with Dodgeball or equivalent :)
Mag dumps mom and dad, children cry. "It's ok"
I highly recommend, "The Outpost"! Based on the best-selling nonfiction book The Outpost: An Untold Story of American Valor by CNN’s chief Washington correspondent Jake Tapper, THE OUTPOST chronicles the true story of the 53 U.S. soldiers who tried to repel an overwhelming attack by almost 400 Taliban insurgents at Combat Outpost Keating in northeastern Afghanistan.
It was easily the most heroic American battle in a generation - one in which two soldiers, Staff Sergeant Clint Romesha and Specialist Ty Carter received the Medal of Honor, the first time in fifty years that two living servicemen were recognized with the award for the same battle.
I still remember 911 as if it were yesterday. I was 7 years old in my class when my teacher got a phone call, she turned pale and she went to the TV. Being young kids, we were excited because we thought we were gonna watch a movie but instead she turned on the news just when the South Tower was hit. The whole class was silent until a little girl started to cry and the entire classroom erupted in tears. My teacher got a lot of trouble for that and I came home to my grandfather watching CNN which was something he never did and he told me that bad people attacked us. Fast forward to the day we found out that SOB was finally located and shot. I was watching a movie when my mom screamed bloody murder, I ran to see her watching the news that said that he was finally eliminated. I ran out of my house screaming praises and chanting USA. The next day at school, everybody was talking about it and how happy they were
There has been a lot of controversy about the actual details of the raid, I believe there are 3 different public versions of what happened. And if you've ever heard Rob O'Neill tell his version of it, the way it is portrayed in this film seems to be pretty much on par with the way he tells it, including the part Nobu mentioned where they blew the outside gate & it was a fake.
Another war movie I recommend, based on real events is 13 Hours, about the story of the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11, 2012, and how during 13 Hours, the US personnel there, had to resist continuous guerrilla attacks all night long, really a very extreme situation. And Captain Phillips, although it is not a war movie, but the army is involved in the rescue of the US cargo ship, hijacked by Somali pirates, commanded by Captain Phillips, played by Tom Hanks, a very good movie, also based on a real event.
Wanna hear a bit of the real story from the JSOC side of things? Jocko podcast episode 290 w Admiral Bill McRaven. Absolutely astonishing to listen to. The "make your bed" Texas graduation speech? Thats him. 38 years in Naval special warfare, a living legend.
I can never recommend the movie UNBROKEN enough such a great film depicting one of the most awe inspiring stories of the Second World War.
8:19 During the Waco siege, ATF played the sound of screaming rabbits being tortured in order to keep the Davidians awake so they would break sooner.
So well done. Everyone needs to watch this! Its an 8/10 or 8.5/10 for me
You have to see The Hurt Locker with Jeremy Renner, by the same director, Kathryn Bigelow, but a much better film than this one, in fact that one did win the Oscar for Best Picture.
You (and everyone else who can take it) should search YT for a video of *Christopher Hitchens getting waterboarded.*
Hitchens was an epic journalist who was volunteered to be waterboarded (like Ammar in the beginning) so he could write about it for Vanity Fair.
They hired former interrogators to actually do it.
The article he wrote is simply titled *"Believe Me, It's Torture".*
You guys absolutely have to watch the new dungeons and dragons film, its a really cool film and it fits the genre amazingly while also being incredibly funny 😂
[probably could be in top 10 worst movies of year....maybe history
@@rangerwolfhound bruh what
@@rangerwolfhound lmao what on earth are you talking about
@@minhuang8848 dungeons and dragons is background sound - i cant even remember it
@@rangerwolfhound All that's telling us is how short your attention span is, if anything at all.
After watching this, you should review THE MAURITANIAN.
I think you guys would like the series homeland.
Guy had an interesting last name
RIP Gandolfini