The difference between you and fillingham is he drones on and you get to the point that’s why I subscribed to you as you have a natural ability to inform and engage and keep me interested 👍🏻
I like Stuart Fillingham's videos too. As a French man, his accent, his opinionated views on certain products, his "rule Britannia" stance, amuse me very much. I also like very much the way he introduced me to certain British brands totally unknown here in France: Gold top gloves, Stadium mirrors, Hagon shock absorbers, etc.
I own this bike and it’s absolutely great! Have to raise 2 kids first before I’m going to buy a more expensive adventure tourer. Regarding the side stand, I saw another TH-cam video where the head designer already acknowledged this as an error for which a fix is in the works… 😊
As I said, if you’re happy with your Himalayan, great👍😊 I completely understand that bigger, more luxurious adventure bikes are out of many people’s reach. Happy riding👍😊
Royal Enfields chief designer accepted the side stand design flaw in one of his interviews. His explanation - "The ground clearance of the bike was changed numerous times during development and by the time the side stand went into production, the final increase in GC was the reason for too much lean." He went on to further state that this will be rectified in the next facelift.
Good to hear, but how they could sign off on the current design is beyond me. And why wait for a facelift? Surely manufacturing a longer side stand can’t be that difficult?🤷♂️ Thanks anyway for your input👍😊
@@RocketMan_Moto It was also my initial thought but it might be a bit complicated since there is only 2cm distance between the side stand and the center stand when both are up. 2cm is in my opinion not enough and if they should increase the length there is no place for an extender plate. A very costly engineering mistake but what's worse is that it seems not everyone in the company admits there is a problem and depending who you ask you will get different answers. Numerous reviews says the bike is top heavy which in my opinion is not true at all...
For completely balanced and unbiased bike reviews, you and Nathan the Postman are my first ports of call. Nathan really puts the bikes through their paces, especially off-road! Both straight to the point and direct! Keep up the good work! 👍
I think it's a fair assessment of the new Himalayan. I've been told that the factory are now fitting a longer sidestand so the lean is not so great. I have ridden both the Triumph 400x and the new Himalayan but not the 450MT as there are no dealers local to me that either sell CFMOTO or have a demo bike. I have the old 411 which I bought for a purpose and it was a very good price, the new one is technically better in every respect but is a lot more money thus putting it in competition with other makes. My 411 is almost my "don't care" bike, and i've taken it places I wouldn't take a big expensive bike for fear of dropping it and the associated repair costs. The Triumph is the best looking in my eyes, and if I was sticking to urban roads, then this would be the bike I'd probably buy. This might change if I could get a ride on the 450MT and there was a good dealer backup. The RE and Triumph are easy to get.
I recently took one out for a quick test ride. Really enjoyed it. Still a bit slow but felt very planted and easy to ride. I totally agree with you about the side stand. It was actually hard to push it up off it as it was leaning so far over. But for what it costs I don't think you can go wrong. Really good bike
Just to say many thanks for a blog you did on ohlins and fox shocks a while back. I bought the ohlins for triumph bobber. It changed the world for me 👍👍🏍️
I agree regarding relaxed driving, in fact I bought it for this very reason, and it Is equally true that It vibrates a lot at motorway speeds, which objectively makes it less comfortable on long motorway journeys. However It must also be said that its ability to consume very little, can be a relevant fact when you're going on holiday, as well as being surprisingly fun around the curves. I agree regarding the side stand, but once you get used to It (and your leg), it's not a big problem to manage. The headlight certainly needs to be improved, at night It makes a "presence" and nothing else, when you face a hairpin bend at night is like trusting fate and hoping that there are no obstacles... or ravines... A perfect horizontal line... which as soon as you enter the curve Is eclipsed, leaving you to good luck
Your bang on, as opposed to slavish brand loyalty you have to ride what suits your needs. Just recently I disposed of my triumph Scrambler and picked up a nice Deauville 700. May not be as sexy as a scrambler but for a twice weekly 40 mile commute it’s a lot more relaxing. My 1999 CB 500 takes care of city work.
What an outstandingly good review. First class. Extremely succinct and thorough (tricky). Honest and reasoned. The added context and comparison to other bikes was excellent: extremely appreciated and valuable. I hope you enjoy them because we do. Thanks. (I also think my resting heart is rate is reduced by their end.)
You're the first person to mention what I've also been thinking, you need to get to the trails first. I believe that's why many people are ditching their CRF300 Rally's for the 450MT. Money is tight & if they can only choose one bike, they're choosing the CF Moto. As for the 'Guerilla' name, no comment.
The tool for the job, depends on the job. It makes a lot of sense for some people to explore the Himalayas on a Himalayan; fewer Km per day but 10+ days per adventure. RE's extensive dealer (and service) network in some parts of the world, also means that it is easier to get spares and support in whatever remote Himalayan village you may need it in. This is a calmer, slightly more highway-stable alternative to the CRF 300 Rally, for your overlanding needs.
I haven't riden as many bikes as you, but of the ones I have, you came to the same conclusions as I did. Based on this I have confidence in the conclusions you reach on bikes I haven't riden. It's great when a reviewer has similar preferences to one self. Thanks for the videos.
Along with others, I like your way of assessing bikes and whilst I watch many other motorcyclist youtubers it does seem that they are afraid to criticise for fear of not getting loan bikes. So with their reviews (which run the whole gamut of review from A to B 🙂) a pinch of salt is required. Keep up the good work and keep wearing those gloves. You are appreciated.
Hi RM, I really appreciate your integrity and impartiality in the popular bike reviews you make. All of your contemporaries based in the UK have sold out to bike makers or aftersales parts companies for monetary reasons. You know the people I am taking about. Too many free lunches, holidays and handouts. I almost always agree with your conclusions. My feeling is RE are about 90 percent there with the current range of bikes , but still need to go the extra mile especially now the Triumph and Chinese bike makers like CF Moto and Kove have woken up to the threat of Indian motorcycle makers taking on the world market. This can only be a good thing for UK and European bikers as this will lead to better bikes and lower prices, as we have been overcharged for too many years now.
Great summation of the Himalayan. As you were comparing it to the other machines, I couldn’t help but think that the Kawasaki Versys X300 is often overlooked. It’s around 20kg lighter than most other bikes, has a great twin cylinder engine, large fuel tank, low seat heater, is comfortable (despite all the blabbering about the seat) and it’s capable of travelling vast road miles and the type of off road that you would likely do on one of these bikes. Perhaps Mrs RM could check it out for suitability. Good honest review, RM
That's a very commendable USP to have. The perfect bike for Mrs RM may be the Yamaha MT 03. It's low, light, extremely economical and has sufficient power with it's 321 cc smooth twin engine, (although the looks might not be to everyone's taste). Many thanks for a really good review of the Himalayan. Best wishes.
If it were my money it would be the CFMoto.. and I've owned Triumph products for over 20 years as well as my Guzzi..bang for buck, comfort ease of use and being relaxed is a major concern for me now and it seems of those you've tested it's the conclusion I would've come to.
I get great enjoyment watching your reviews and trust your assessment of the machine in question fully. I had the same issues with the top heavy nature of this bike when I tried one here in England. Therefore the CB500x will remain in the garage a while longer. I do like the look of the CF Moto 450 but no dealers near where I live. Keep up the very good work.
I like your reviews a lot, awesome channel! Please do a review on Rieju 500 Aventura! I am looking at it with great interest but there is not enough information out there for me to be able to pull the trigger! Cheers!
Your choice of format is unusual for a real person, non-bot, you tuber and gave me pause when i first discovered your channel, but i quickly came to appreciate your honest, matter of fact reviews. (Great reasons, btw.) We're all different & want different things from our bikes and getting unnecessarily precious about the opinions of others is a sure road to madness. KUTGW.
I have 3 single cylinder bikes and 1 multi cylinder one. A single is a great commuter and trail and back roads adventurer where speeds don’t go much beyond 80km/hr. But a lightweight or middleweight twin will always be a better “1 bike” ride if you you are limited to a single steed. The vibrations just get too annoying at high speeds over a prolonged period. Or at least this is my conclusion as I am well into middle age. Not to say you can’t ride big miles all day long on a single; you would just enjoy them so much more on a twin.
Great review as always RM. I’m pretty sure that’s the Himalayan I test rode a couple of weeks ago. (Olhão yes?). If so I think they might have bent the truth slightly when they said you were the first person to ride it because it had 2 kilometres on the clock when I took it out. 😂 I had been over there a couple of times because I was waiting for them to register another demo bike after they sold the last one. I had watched both your earlier reviews on the Triumph 400x and the CFmoto 450MT and after hearing your thoughts I had already ridden both of those and I personally think your reviews of all three of these bikes is spot on. I really enjoyed riding the 400x, it’s also a really good looking bike and I was very very tempted. The Himalayan is quite good…. but that side stand lean is terrible and your review of it pretty much sums up the thoughts and feelings I came away with after riding it..… that’s why I am taking delivery of my CFMoto 450MT in September. I just wanted to thank you for these reviews, you have been instrumental in helping me put aside my preconceived notions around CFMoto.
Thanks for that, Rick. I think you made the right choice. The CF Moto is probably the best of the 3, certainly the most versatile. The Triumph didn’t quite live up to its fantastic looks (the Speed is better, imo) and this Himalayan felt as though it had been built in Soviet Russia. Thanks for your input and enjoy your MT👍😊
Great vid and good looking reminds me of an old suzuki dr125sm in black/yellow trim. If funds allow in this weight class I'd also consider a twin like honda cb500/nx500 or cfmoto 450.
From what I heard in one of the staff in the launch event for the Himalayan, the side stand lean issue is due to the fact that they changed the suspension geometry after it was designed, so it ended up being too short and it wasn't corrected in time, so yes it is a known issue by RE.
So I've been told. I wouldn't have thought a side stand was that difficult to redesign, though. I don't understand how they could have signed it of as it is, it kind of ruins the experience, especially for smaller/female riders
I feel a bit sorry for the Himalayan, if the CF Moto 450Mt hadn't come out I think it would have sold a lot better, but for me the 450MT is just so good. I have had mine for only a month but I have already done 800 miles on it and I get excited to ride it. It is not perfect, no bike is, but it is brilliant fun. You are a bad person 😀 Nice gloves by the way.....
Hey Hi RM, yes in RE Himalayan 450, side stand length is an issue that is known. As a fix by a few owner they added an inch of block onto side stand shoe extender in order to cope up with the shortiness of the stand.
Everyone has their own choice in terms machine they always wanted you have your own perception about machine with whom you spent more of your time together. So it is ok to share your opinion as I one is perfect. Good luck for future buddy
This was, IMO, a very well-rounded and objective review. Sadly, any Royal Enfield would never be an option for me, as the dealership I would have to get it from is the same I got my Benelli from - which was an abysmal experience (the Benelli's speedo and fuel indicator did not work when I picked up my bike, the shop owner did not take me seriously, and other such nice things. He also did not seem to like the at that time new Benelli models much, but the older models with larger displacements. Sigh...not my fault that I was not interested in those due to my back issues). Anyways, if this bike is meant mainly for Mrs. RocketMan, all you can do IMO is make suggestions to her. In the end, she has to decide. Maybe you can give advice how to narrow the options (which could also make a video). In the end, after passing her license, she has to test ride and take a decision. Even if after 3 months she might decide it was not the right bike for her.
The Himalayan 450 is a bike that I would have loved to own 40+ years ago as it would have fit my budget and ticked all essential boxes. Now that the budget is less tight and there are some many so much better bikes available, it is hard for me to fall in love with it.
The definition of "better" is a state of mind, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion which is absolutely fine. Power and speed it's not important for me anymore, saying that the Himalayan is the only bike in their league. There's no other ones at the same price range...on my opinion
Don't worry about "modern audiences", we live in a stupid world. I have two Royal Enfields, was looking forward to the Himalayan, but went with the MT450 as an dirt oriented adv. My biggest disappointment (for the European riding like u mentioned) is the short final gearing of the MT450. At 120 is kmh, engine sits at 7000 rpm, 8500 is the red line. The fueling is greatly improved with the ecu update. Nice vid.
Enfield is fabulous for the price sensitive But not for those who can somehow afford Honda Nx500 or higher. Personally speaking I am waiting to test.ride the all.new 2025 ktm 390 adv ( late 2024) That Cud be my 2nd bike Till then I am sort of happy with a Transalp
@@RocketMan_Moto Pointless Commenting on the off road manners of old 390.adv Cause the new one will be different . Rumor'd launch time Around Q4 2024 / q1 2025. Yes I have a trnslp 750. Its not bad for long-distance /.highway ( preparing me for BMW 1300 gs or Africa twin In 2025/26) But transalp is a pain while spending 60mins in city traffic at 10 to 12.kmph . Which is why I am hoping that the new ktm works for me in the city . Cause with adv format I also get a back up for long distance / off-road as well On days the Transalp calls in sick unable to get out of bed . New ktm 390 adv is also the reason I am currently ignoring Duke 390 new 2024 engine Tiger 400x. ( duke engine retuned )
@@RocketMan_Moto Edit . The honda 450 off-road model vs ktm 390 adv is also up for debate . Except that . Honda launches / imports in my country are generally delayed and unpredictable
Good stuff Sir, glad you're not caught up in commercial hype like so many amateurs pretending to be future YT billionaires! Back with reality, has Mrs RT considered the Vulcan 650, if only for its seat height? I'm taking delivery soon because it will fulfil my 2-wheel wheelchair requirement, with its feet forward position!! ( ps, east of Dover, the tallest mountain range is pronounced Him-arl-ears, according to persons living out there! )
Great series because this mid cc category is really flourishing and I love this size bike. I rode 40k on a Rally 250 and is was reliable but not comfy-great bike though I bought a 400X and rode 7k in a few months and sold it --would love to own one again fpor local riding its a fun engine and gorgeous bike front forks too stiff has a lock out electronic issue which is a no go for solo riding ina foreign country far from dealers so sold it I bought a NX500 new lots of dealer support, its a Honda, love the engine sound and delivery was surprised b y that-its 1/5 the price of a BMW1300 and i have aluminium panniers windscreen lip flat seat and 16 tooth front and 6k on it now its absolutely ideal for a small light easy long range [500km] touring bike--just big enough for my 185cm/95kg frame with the seat concepts style seat [flat profile] and Michelin Road 6 tires--great travel bike in Asia Will be putting a down payment on the CFMoto 450 for Canada --will be for grave road and small highway travel when needed--likely get soft luggage set up on it-i can use it for rough roads even some single track both of which are plentiful there..factory tall seat and windscreen make my life much easier--buy and ride--in this case a 21" front is valuable--i prefer the 19" for street use I suppose one point of inexpensive simple bikes is that you can buy two three or more bikes for the price of the top of the range options. I ride a Honda Click scooter that has Pirellis and YSS suspension, dual disc brakes and ABS every day . There are excellent low cost high quality very fun bikes out there these days to be had. Its a bit of a revolution to me who has been riding since the 70's. Love the options and hope the Japanese get into competition mode against CF Moto. Really cant complain these days. Buy some great tires for your new bike and you are good to go now a days
I don't understand all these positive comments - Big Rock, in particular. I so wanted to like the Himalayan, but it's another disappointing Royal Enfield. I'll give the Guerilla a go, but I'm not expecting miracles... :(
I am hesitant about the long term ownership of a Chinese made bike. I've owned two before, and they were almost toys. Japanese are stupid expensive So I am looking at the new Him 450 and the 450 MT... but I just can't get over the Chinese made thing. Any long term owners here? please advise!
Nicely presented. Firm seat, eh? That would be an automatic disqualifucation for me; my butt is quite sensitive to this stuff. The most comfy seat I've ever experienced was the optional comfy seat on my F750GS. That bike also had a short side stand and thus lesned a lot and took some muscle to straighten up, but I found it handy when parking on road shoulders that where sloping down; with a longer kick stand I wouldn't be able to park there. Cheers.
I agree that sometimes it is nice to have a short stand, when you're parked on a camber, but the lean really is excessive on the Himalayan and if the camber goes the 'wrong way', the bike's going to be almost horizontal. Thanks for your input :)
i liked the review, an honest opinion on the bike, nothing wrong with that. Single cylinders are never that good on the road at speed, My last one was a 650 xt and I got rid of it becuase of that. around town they are great
It was a combination of that side stand and despite offering it RE never brought the lower seat to the dealers so for a small rider the 452 was not an upgrade option from my 411. If others know the low seat is now available I’d be interested as the dealers still are saying it’s not available. I rode the Triumph and the engine is the stand out feature better imho than the 452.
as i have said before [ i think ] saying it as it is ----- thats why i watch this channel ,, your view on this bike matches what some others have said anyway ,,, but the r.e. guerrilla seems a better bike and i say look at this for mrs rm ;;;
With soft suspension, and by the time you get all your luggage on, it will sit lower and therfore more up right. Allowing the Mrs to reach the ground too.
I was into getting the new Himalayan. Until the 450MT came out. Saying this as a Honda fan though. You get a lot for your money with the CF. Their ambitious goal is to conquer the european market until 2026. Oh and I wished the Transalp had been designed like the 450MT.
I've got a 411 and have throughly enjoyed it. I looked at the 451 yesterday which just arrived in the US...too heavy off of the kickstand for a short old man. The CF Moto is not available. Haven't even thought about the Triumph, but might look into after this and Nathanthepostman's reviews. Still looking for a 411 replacement. As many 411 owners have said, I'd like the 411 with a little better highway capability. I too live about 4-5 hours of high speed motorway from the good riding.
After watching your review on the Honda NX500 I visited the dealer in Blackpool for a test ride. Like you I'm tall, but carrying a bit more weight and unlike you I'm in my seventies. I just couldn't get on it, far to tall for me, i tried the cowboy mounting technique but with no success whatsoever so gave up. I will have to persevere with a bike that's got a lowish bench like seat, if only i was 25 years younger.
I had the air-cooled 411cc Himalayan and liked the looks, riding position, brakes and transmission. I didn’t like the engine, it clattered and lacked about 10 hp. Because I’m only 5’8” with a 29” inseam, I would mount it cowboy style. The seat was fine for my commute. I replaced it with a BMW 310R which has different faults (notchy shifting and too soft front forks). The search goes on.
If you're still looking, try test riding a Yamaha mt 03. It's low, light, very economical, has s lovely smooth engine and a brilliant gearbox. With 42 bhp on tap, it's a fun bike to ride. The looks aren't to everyone's taste but it's a good all rounder.
Spot on with the bands. Noone does it better than Enfield at the moment with BMW, Suzuki and KTM being equally miserable. Clear, simple to understand and remember. This bike? Well, it’s not for me. I loved the looks of the old Scram in the red/white paint. 19” front does it perfectly for me and my needs as I off road as much as I visit the gym (not at all unless I get paid). The 17” front on the Guerilla was a bit of a disappointment must be said. As it stands I can’t see why I’d take this over a slightly used Vstrom 650 for the same money. Where I live the Suzuki comes with a seven year warranty, I get more power and Suzuki reliability. Unless you’re on an A2 license or really want that showroom experience I can’t see why this would be your choice.
I agree with you, I have a 411, I live in the bush in OZ, and the it is suited to that, it will be doing a 5000km trip next year, I cruise 50 -60mph, so the bike does suit me, but If I was to get another bike for more distance cruising, it would be CFMoto, I definitely agree the CFmoto 450, is better value over 450 himi, I don't even like the 450 himi, not my style.
I went at sat on the demonstrator at my local shop. I agree, it took so much effort to get off the side stand, that I completely lost interest and didn’t even ride it!
Love the no nonsense approach as ever, (fillingham will wonder why your so under whelmed haha) . Fortunately a lot of these bikes sell on charm (thats ok) as on most measurable areas they fall short. However if it makes you happy, buy one 😊
I've test ridden this new Himalayan and agree with almost everything said in this video. The side stand was OK for me and anyway, a side stand extender/enlarger/foot would add 2-3mm to its height and thus reduce the lean angle when parked. I did not really like this bike because of its engine. I have found it just adequate, not fun, not perky at all. For example, the KTM 390 Adventure has an engine which makes it much more enjoyable to ride.
I finally tried those 3 bikes ( the triumph in speed costume) i finally put a deposit on the 450mt. I really did not liked the RE. I think the triumph would be perfect for my MRS as a first bike (if only she would like to pass her license 😅). It felt like a 125 (light, agile) but with a better finish, more oumf and better brakes.
The only thing I like about the RE is the dash and tasteful screen. I prefer the Guerrilla, but I won't be buying one. I won't buy any two-wheeler that is electronically heavy. Nick
CF moto looks and sounds impressive. None of my business but beginner bike for Mrs RM maybe a Honda 300 dual sport if dirt riding involved or for street a Honda cb 300 r though the triumph s right there. A twin maybe a Honda cb 500 f ? Whatever have fun and ride safe
300s are not available in Europe, Steve. We generally begin with 125s and then graduate to 400s or 500s. We are looking at the Honda 500 Rebel for her. Very low seat height👍😊
Honda for me every time. The MT has already disappointed with water collecting in the subframe and it’s only a matter of time before the rest of its short comings come to light. The RE’s although improving,have never had a great reputation for reliability, and their reputation for easy to fix at the side of the road is no good to me with my limited spannering skills. Totally agree with you about the press launch biases and it’s a mystery to me why people rush out and buy bikes based on the reviewers initial impressions. I tour a lot and for me reliability is paramount.
I am not a RE fanboy, as I owned so far one Kawasaki, two Suzukis and riding currently a Super Duke GT and a X-Max 300, but one hour on a demo bike with 1.200 km gave me a different impression, and after watching your quick test, I also came to the conclusion that your and my priorities how to judge a motorcycle are different.
Sic transit gloria mundi. Which loosely translates as 'Gloria Munday threw up in the back of my van.' Sort of. 😉 And yes, I'm still struggling to become interested in anything RE offers.
How would you see this CF Moto 450 vs your Honda Transalp 750 as a touring bike. Certainly not comparable engine & torque powers, but just for riding fun. What would be your daily KM limit comfortable riding for those 2 bikes. Riding 2up, the Transalp probably is the better choice, or … ?!
The Transalp is in a different league to the CF Moto in terms of power and would be much better suited to touring. Difficult to set a km limit, but maybe 200 for the CF and 350 on the Transalp??
I've done 1600k on my Himalayan. I find your review a bit harsh on some points. Tyres are very good on the tarmac. The stand is too short for most people, but there is a slight downside camber in my front driveway,, making the short stand prefect for me. I have found the brakes good.
Mmmmm.....ironic, it's not just me. All excited, I went to the local dealer to have a ride. I really do want one. Got to the dealer, in the showroom, sat on the bike, wow this feels great. Tried to lift the bike from the side stand and had to stop. I, for a second, thought i had pulled a muscle in the shoulder. Reset my position a couple of seconds later after the pain had stopped and lifted the bike again. Wow, is it me or am I lifting a harley davidson? At that point, I didn't bother taking the bike for a ride. Having to pull the bike with so much energy off the stand put me off. Maybe I am getting old. I then bought a 400X. Never looked back
If you're looking for a bike for Mrs RM, I would agree that the Himalayan is not the best choice. Of the other 2, the 400X is a road bike that could manage a bit of gravel or hard pack track and that's pretty much it. The CF Moto, is a much better off road bike, but is that the riding you intend for it? They are definitely horses for courses. Good luck which ever route Mrs RM takes. I'm in Faro at the end of September and will wave at every Tiger 900 I see....... Just in case 😂😂😂
Having ridden the Himi and the 450MT it is a slam dunk for the MT. It feels in a different class in almost all areas. I really liked the idea of the Himi, rugged, simple, capable etc but the truth is the MT has made the Himi obsolete….almost. The dealer network and service intervals certainly add back and rebalance the books a bit. The side stand is easy to sort…the BMW 1150GS had the same problem and this was cured by attaching an ice hockey puck to the bottom of the stand. Has the added advantage of a larger foot so less likely to sink in grass. Still going for the MT though.
Completely agree. I really wanted to like the Himalayan, but it feels like something the Soviet Union would have produced back in the mid 70s compared to the 450MT.
It's okay that you are not in love with Himalayan. Many people are not. And this is true about the weight, and weird lean angle (which I suppose is purposed to make the seat even lower when you mount the bike), and maybe even the engine. But I am really surprised to hear so many bloggers praise MT450. Is it really so different from all the rest of Chinese bikes?
@@RocketMan_Moto , I am sure a machine shop could easily modify the Himalayan's side stand to provide a steeper angle. I understand, you don't want to spend a lot of money on a new bike to immediately have the local black smith butcher it, but if your wife really likes the bike, there is always a solution.
CFMOTO 450 platform has been getting good reviews elsewhere, especially from Philippine based YTers. I think Mrs. might look great in the other Triumph 400 (speed). It seems like other reviewers like that one over 400x.
Your review is entertaining as ever. You are not alone in your view of RE. I just find them bland, not particularly exciting. Perhaps it's because they are all low power A2 compliant bikes. I wouldn't ever ride one let alone own one. Too slow for me.
I test tode one and liked a lit about it. But, i thought the lack of decent screen and buzzy vibration an issue. And i did 40000 miles on a 660 Tenere, so I'm used to singles. I need to ride again with a bigger screen. I can't get a test on the CF at the moment. Ride safe 👍
I found it to be pretty heavy on the showroom floor, it is heavy for a 450cc motorcycle. I was somewhat surprised. If they could take 20-30kg off it, it would be better.
A Honda 500 CL has a 790mm seat height and might fit the bill for the Mrs.... The 450 MT is only 10mm on its lowest setting... It has a hidden spacer thats a15 minute job to swap out which mean you could use it too with an optional high seat to swap around..
@@RocketMan_MotoCan find it on videos and spec sheets. Total offering is 800mm or standard 820mm link plus the optional seat bringing seat height up to 870mm. I guess originally this MT450 was aimed at the Asian market where folk are shorter and a 450 is seen as a big bike which many would wish to attain & upgrade to compared with 125, 250/300s which are more traditional transport. Plus there already is a massive supply of aftermarket goodies either from CF Moto or a site called Uncle Wang. The latter specialises in supplying Chinese Motors with some quality looking spares.
Scrambler 400x for me, just wondering if changing the sprocket tooth number would change the short gearing. I do like the looks of the RE but watching some of the ABR videos the RE designer conceded there was stuff changed after they had finalised their design. Only thing that temps me with the RE is the consumption.
@@RocketMan_Moto that’s just it, after the geometry had been worked out and components made did they change the suspension. But they are apparently working on it for the next version.
I’ve watched heaps of reviews on this bike and I’m thinking for sure this bike isn’t for you. Don’t ever come to Australia to do a test you wouldn’t make it off the tar.
according to re they are aware of stand issue and are working on a fix don't know why its taking so long, iv'e just bought an interceptor and my biggest complaint is lack of quality but it was cheap so cant complain but I wouldn't buy another
All Royal Enfields lean over alarmingly on the short side stand (well maybe not all, but I'm prepared to stand my ground). Hitchcocks sell an adjustable stand for the Interceptor but it ain't cheap. For your wife, the Gorilla has a much lower (under 800 mm) seat height, but it's not much lighter and leans over just as much. Be lucky!
Thanks for that. The Gorilla probably would be better suited, but current thinking is the Triumph Speed 400… if she can deal with the relatively tall seat👍😊
I watch the videos on this channel for the hypnotic and fluent-creative English of the narrator. Postmodern and ambiguous depictions (which I love) The insistence on "I will not give up telling the truth because you want it" as understood from the Royal Enfield comments.
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The difference between you and fillingham is he drones on and you get to the point that’s why I subscribed to you as you have a natural ability to inform and engage and keep me interested 👍🏻
Thanks. I appreciate that. Stuart’s videos are sometimes quite long, but he generally knows what he’s talking about😊
@@RocketMan_Motomost of the time
I like both Stuart and RocketMan. Nick
Thanks. Yes, good to have different input :)
I like Stuart Fillingham's videos too. As a French man, his accent, his opinionated views on certain products, his "rule Britannia" stance, amuse me very much. I also like very much the way he introduced me to certain British brands totally unknown here in France: Gold top gloves, Stadium mirrors, Hagon shock absorbers, etc.
I own this bike and it’s absolutely great! Have to raise 2 kids first before I’m going to buy a more expensive adventure tourer. Regarding the side stand, I saw another TH-cam video where the head designer already acknowledged this as an error for which a fix is in the works… 😊
As I said, if you’re happy with your Himalayan, great👍😊 I completely understand that bigger, more luxurious adventure bikes are out of many people’s reach. Happy riding👍😊
Royal Enfields chief designer accepted the side stand design flaw in one of his interviews. His explanation - "The ground clearance of the bike was changed numerous times during development and by the time the side stand went into production, the final increase in GC was the reason for too much lean." He went on to further state that this will be rectified in the next facelift.
Good to hear, but how they could sign off on the current design is beyond me. And why wait for a facelift? Surely manufacturing a longer side stand can’t be that difficult?🤷♂️ Thanks anyway for your input👍😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Fully agree. They recognize the problem but are unable to communicate with their customers and prospective buyers.
Yes. Several people here have commented that they were put off buying a Himalayan because of the side stand problem.
@@RocketMan_Moto It was also my initial thought but it might be a bit complicated since there is only 2cm distance between the side stand and the center stand when both are up. 2cm is in my opinion not enough and if they should increase the length there is no place for an extender plate. A very costly engineering mistake but what's worse is that it seems not everyone in the company admits there is a problem and depending who you ask you will get different answers. Numerous reviews says the bike is top heavy which in my opinion is not true at all...
For completely balanced and unbiased bike reviews, you and Nathan the Postman are my first ports of call. Nathan really puts the bikes through their paces, especially off-road! Both straight to the point and direct! Keep up the good work! 👍
Thanks. Yes, I enjoy Nathan’s videos too. He commented on this video😊👍
I think it's a fair assessment of the new Himalayan. I've been told that the factory are now fitting a longer sidestand so the lean is not so great. I have ridden both the Triumph 400x and the new Himalayan but not the 450MT as there are no dealers local to me that either sell CFMOTO or have a demo bike. I have the old 411 which I bought for a purpose and it was a very good price, the new one is technically better in every respect but is a lot more money thus putting it in competition with other makes. My 411 is almost my "don't care" bike, and i've taken it places I wouldn't take a big expensive bike for fear of dropping it and the associated repair costs. The Triumph is the best looking in my eyes, and if I was sticking to urban roads, then this would be the bike I'd probably buy. This might change if I could get a ride on the 450MT and there was a good dealer backup. The RE and Triumph are easy to get.
The 450MT is worth waiting for, imo. Thanks for your input👍😊
I admire your ability to rise above cheap shots, your clear insights of motorcycles and your dry and engaging humor.
Thank you, Ken. Much appreciated :)
I recently took one out for a quick test ride. Really enjoyed it. Still a bit slow but felt very planted and easy to ride. I totally agree with you about the side stand. It was actually hard to push it up off it as it was leaning so far over. But for what it costs I don't think you can go wrong. Really good bike
It is very affordable. But so are the Triumph 400s, which imo are nicer😊
Just to say many thanks for a blog you did on ohlins and fox shocks a while back. I bought the ohlins for triumph bobber. It changed the world for me 👍👍🏍️
Good to hear. Yes, they’re eye wateringly expensive, but awesome👍😊
I agree regarding relaxed driving, in fact I bought it for this very reason, and it Is equally true that It vibrates a lot at motorway speeds, which objectively makes it less comfortable on long motorway journeys. However It must also be said that its ability to consume very little, can be a relevant fact when you're going on holiday, as well as being surprisingly fun around the curves.
I agree regarding the side stand, but once you get used to It (and your leg), it's not a big problem to manage. The headlight certainly needs to be improved, at night It makes a "presence" and nothing else, when you face a hairpin bend at night is like trusting fate and hoping that there are no obstacles... or ravines...
A perfect horizontal line... which as soon as you enter the curve Is eclipsed, leaving you to good luck
Thanks for your input👍😊
Your bang on, as opposed to slavish brand loyalty you have to ride what suits your needs. Just recently I disposed of my triumph Scrambler and picked up a nice Deauville 700. May not be as sexy as a scrambler but for a twice weekly 40 mile commute it’s a lot more relaxing. My 1999 CB 500 takes care of city work.
The Deauville is often the butt of jokes, but I enjoyed riding my mate’s example a few years ago😊👍
I think your review pretty much matches what I've read elsewhere about this bike. 👍
I was genuinely disappointed. So wanted to like it🙁
New sub from the USA - I didn't know James May had this motorcycle channel ;-)
Lol, I’ve had the James May comparison a few times😀 Thanks for the sub’.👍
What an outstandingly good review. First class. Extremely succinct and thorough (tricky). Honest and reasoned. The added context and comparison to other bikes was excellent: extremely appreciated and valuable. I hope you enjoy them because we do. Thanks. (I also think my resting heart is rate is reduced by their end.)
Lol, glad you appreciate my work, Graham :)
You're the first person to mention what I've also been thinking, you need to get to the trails first. I believe that's why many people are ditching their CRF300 Rally's for the 450MT. Money is tight & if they can only choose one bike, they're choosing the CF Moto. As for the 'Guerilla' name, no comment.
I think it's cool for a name, but that's just me
@@christopherpekel6096 it would be a pretty boring world if we all liked the same stuff...🙂
Agreed :)
A bit provocative, maybe??
@@RocketMan_Moto I guess it means different things to different people.
I was planning on the Hunter but opted for the Speed 400. I enjoyed your reviews from the other side of the pond. Honest and good humor along the way.
Thanks! I think you made the right choice, the Speed 400 is probably the best small-capacity bike currently on the market. Enjoy👍😊
The tool for the job, depends on the job. It makes a lot of sense for some people to explore the Himalayas on a Himalayan; fewer Km per day but 10+ days per adventure. RE's extensive dealer (and service) network in some parts of the world, also means that it is easier to get spares and support in whatever remote Himalayan village you may need it in. This is a calmer, slightly more highway-stable alternative to the CRF 300 Rally, for your overlanding needs.
Thanks for your input 👍😊
Bought the Himalayan a while ago, absolutely loving it 🙌🏼
If it works for you then great😊
I haven't riden as many bikes as you, but of the ones I have, you came to the same conclusions as I did. Based on this I have confidence in the conclusions you reach on bikes I haven't riden. It's great when a reviewer has similar preferences to one self. Thanks for the videos.
Thank you, Fred :)
Along with others, I like your way of assessing bikes and whilst I watch many other motorcyclist youtubers it does seem that they are afraid to criticise for fear of not getting loan bikes. So with their reviews (which run the whole gamut of review from A to B 🙂) a pinch of salt is required. Keep up the good work and keep wearing those gloves. You are appreciated.
Thanks for that, Alan. Much appreciated. Ride safe👍😊
Hi RM, I really appreciate your integrity and impartiality in the popular bike reviews you make. All of your contemporaries based in the UK have sold out to bike makers or aftersales parts companies for monetary reasons. You know the people I am taking about. Too many free lunches, holidays and handouts.
I almost always agree with your conclusions. My feeling is RE are about 90 percent there with the current range of bikes , but still need to go the extra mile especially now the Triumph and Chinese bike makers like CF Moto and Kove have woken up to the threat of Indian motorcycle makers taking on the world market. This can only be a good thing for UK and European bikers as this will lead to better bikes and lower prices, as we have been overcharged for too many years now.
Thanks for that, George. It means a lot. I agree about RE; they’re almost there, but new kids have arrived on the block… and they’re already there😊
Just for the fact that you mentioned everything honestly, +1 sub. Keep doing the hard work with serenity 😊
Thank you :)
Great summation of the Himalayan. As you were comparing it to the other machines, I couldn’t help but think that the Kawasaki Versys X300 is often overlooked. It’s around 20kg lighter than most other bikes, has a great twin cylinder engine, large fuel tank, low seat heater, is comfortable (despite all the blabbering about the seat) and it’s capable of travelling vast road miles and the type of off road that you would likely do on one of these bikes. Perhaps Mrs RM could check it out for suitability.
Good honest review, RM
Thanks, Andrew. You’re right, the X300 is a great bike… that I had forgotten about😬 We’ll put it on our list👍😊
That's a very commendable USP to have. The perfect bike for Mrs RM may be the Yamaha MT 03. It's low, light, extremely economical and has sufficient power with it's 321 cc smooth twin engine, (although the looks might not be to everyone's taste). Many thanks for a really good review of the Himalayan. Best wishes.
Thank you. Yes, the MT03 is on our shortlist😊👍
Pun intended? 😄
If it were my money it would be the CFMoto.. and I've owned Triumph products for over 20 years as well as my Guzzi..bang for buck, comfort ease of use and being relaxed is a major concern for me now and it seems of those you've tested it's the conclusion I would've come to.
Yep, the 450MT is my favourite in this category at the moment👍😊
Always a pleasure to watch and listen to you dude my question is are you tall for your height 🤔
Thanks. Am I tall for my height? Not sure what you mean😊
I get great enjoyment watching your reviews and trust your assessment of the machine in question fully. I had the same issues with the top heavy nature of this bike when I tried one here in England. Therefore the CB500x will remain in the garage a while longer. I do like the look of the CF Moto 450 but no dealers near where I live. Keep up the very good work.
Thanks for that, Mike. Much appreciated. No reason to change your CB500X, great bike👍😊
I like your reviews a lot, awesome channel! Please do a review on Rieju 500 Aventura! I am looking at it with great interest but there is not enough information out there for me to be able to pull the trigger! Cheers!
Thanks. Not sure if there’s a dealer in the Algarve…🤔
Rocketman, you are doing all the right things, for the right reasons, keep them coming!! Triumph for the misses!
Thanks! Yes, the Speed 400 is near the top of our list😊👍
Your choice of format is unusual for a real person, non-bot, you tuber and gave me pause when i first discovered your channel, but i quickly came to appreciate your honest, matter of fact reviews. (Great reasons, btw.)
We're all different & want different things from our bikes and getting unnecessarily precious about the opinions of others is a sure road to madness.
KUTGW.
Thanks, Bob👍😊
I have 3 single cylinder bikes and 1 multi cylinder one. A single is a great commuter and trail and back roads adventurer where speeds don’t go much beyond 80km/hr. But a lightweight or middleweight twin will always be a better “1 bike” ride if you you are limited to a single steed. The vibrations just get too annoying at high speeds over a prolonged period.
Or at least this is my conclusion as I am well into middle age. Not to say you can’t ride big miles all day long on a single; you would just enjoy them so much more on a twin.
Thanks for your input 👍😊
I enjoy your reviews, keep up the good work
Thank you, Andrew😊👍
Great review as always RM.
I’m pretty sure that’s the Himalayan I test rode a couple of weeks ago. (Olhão yes?). If so I think they might have bent the truth slightly when they said you were the first person to ride it because it had 2 kilometres on the clock when I took it out. 😂 I had been over there a couple of times because I was waiting for them to register another demo bike after they sold the last one.
I had watched both your earlier reviews on the Triumph 400x and the CFmoto 450MT and after hearing your thoughts I had already ridden both of those and I personally think your reviews of all three of these bikes is spot on.
I really enjoyed riding the 400x, it’s also a really good looking bike and I was very very tempted. The Himalayan is quite good…. but that side stand lean is terrible and your review of it pretty much sums up the thoughts and feelings I came away with after riding it..… that’s why I am taking delivery of my CFMoto 450MT in September.
I just wanted to thank you for these reviews, you have been instrumental in helping me put aside my preconceived notions around CFMoto.
Thanks for that, Rick. I think you made the right choice. The CF Moto is probably the best of the 3, certainly the most versatile. The Triumph didn’t quite live up to its fantastic looks (the Speed is better, imo) and this Himalayan felt as though it had been built in Soviet Russia. Thanks for your input and enjoy your MT👍😊
Good to see you back! Wouldn’t buy a RE at any point in time, cheap for a reason
Thanks😊 Every RE I’ve ever tried has been a disappointment.
Great vid and good looking reminds me of an old suzuki dr125sm in black/yellow trim. If funds allow in this weight class I'd also consider a twin like honda cb500/nx500 or cfmoto 450.
Those are much more versatile bikes, imo👍
From what I heard in one of the staff in the launch event for the Himalayan, the side stand lean issue is due to the fact that they changed the suspension geometry after it was designed, so it ended up being too short and it wasn't corrected in time, so yes it is a known issue by RE.
So I've been told. I wouldn't have thought a side stand was that difficult to redesign, though. I don't understand how they could have signed it of as it is, it kind of ruins the experience, especially for smaller/female riders
I feel a bit sorry for the Himalayan, if the CF Moto 450Mt hadn't come out I think it would have sold a lot better, but for me the 450MT is just so good. I have had mine for only a month but I have already done 800 miles on it and I get excited to ride it. It is not perfect, no bike is, but it is brilliant fun. You are a bad person 😀 Nice gloves by the way.....
The 450MT my favourite bike in this class at the moment👍😊
No need to feel sorry...there are plenty of the people who wants Himalayan for what it is.. Re will probably sell millions in coming years
I’m sure you’re right. REs have a big following
Hey Hi RM, yes in RE Himalayan 450, side stand length is an issue that is known. As a fix by a few owner they added an inch of block onto side stand shoe extender in order to cope up with the shortiness of the stand.
Yes, I suppose one of those foot extender things would help. I wouldn't have thought it was that difficult just to make a longer leg, though
@@RocketMan_Moto yeah agreed 💯
👍😊
Everyone has their own choice in terms machine they always wanted you have your own perception about machine with whom you spent more of your time together. So it is ok to share your opinion as I one is perfect. Good luck for future buddy
Absolutely. Thanks for your support👍😊
This was, IMO, a very well-rounded and objective review. Sadly, any Royal Enfield would never be an option for me, as the dealership I would have to get it from is the same I got my Benelli from - which was an abysmal experience (the Benelli's speedo and fuel indicator did not work when I picked up my bike, the shop owner did not take me seriously, and other such nice things. He also did not seem to like the at that time new Benelli models much, but the older models with larger displacements. Sigh...not my fault that I was not interested in those due to my back issues).
Anyways, if this bike is meant mainly for Mrs. RocketMan, all you can do IMO is make suggestions to her. In the end, she has to decide. Maybe you can give advice how to narrow the options (which could also make a video). In the end, after passing her license, she has to test ride and take a decision. Even if after 3 months she might decide it was not the right bike for her.
I get that. We both went back a few days later to try it and, as I suspected, Mrs RM could literally not pull the bike up off its side stand :(
The Himalayan 450 is a bike that I would have loved to own 40+ years ago as it would have fit my budget and ticked all essential boxes. Now that the budget is less tight and there are some many so much better bikes available, it is hard for me to fall in love with it.
I completely agree. Even for the same money, there are nicer bikes available
The definition of "better" is a state of mind, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion which is absolutely fine.
Power and speed it's not important for me anymore, saying that the Himalayan is the only bike in their league. There's no other ones at the same price range...on my opinion
@@eumesmo6209 I don't get it, there's other bikes
@@christopherpekel6096 name it
Absolutely, and REs are much cheaper in India, for example
Don't worry about "modern audiences", we live in a stupid world. I have two Royal Enfields, was looking forward to the Himalayan, but went with the MT450 as an dirt oriented adv. My biggest disappointment (for the European riding like u mentioned) is the short final gearing of the MT450. At 120 is kmh, engine sits at 7000 rpm, 8500 is the red line. The fueling is greatly improved with the ecu update. Nice vid.
Thanks. Yes, you’re right, the MT’s final drive ratio is too short, but you find this on most sub-600 bikes.
Enfield is fabulous for the price sensitive
But not for those who can somehow afford
Honda Nx500 or higher.
Personally speaking I am waiting to test.ride the all.new
2025 ktm 390 adv
( late 2024)
That Cud be my 2nd bike
Till then I am sort of happy with a Transalp
Transalp 750? That’s much nicer than any of these smaller bikes, imo. The KTM has peaked my interest, though I believe it’s not very good off road??
@@RocketMan_Moto
Pointless Commenting on the off road manners of old 390.adv
Cause the new one will be different .
Rumor'd launch time
Around
Q4 2024 / q1 2025.
Yes
I have a trnslp 750.
Its not bad for long-distance /.highway
( preparing me for
BMW 1300 gs or Africa twin
In 2025/26)
But transalp is a pain while spending 60mins in city traffic at 10 to 12.kmph .
Which is why I am hoping that the new ktm works for me in the city .
Cause with adv format I also get a back up for long distance / off-road as well
On days the Transalp calls in sick unable to get out of bed .
New ktm 390 adv is
also the reason I am currently ignoring
Duke 390 new 2024 engine
Tiger 400x. ( duke engine retuned )
@@RocketMan_Moto
Edit .
The honda 450 off-road model vs ktm 390 adv is also up for debate .
Except that .
Honda launches / imports
in my country are generally delayed and unpredictable
Fair review RM!
Cheers, Pistol😊
Good to see you back, mate! 2:35… nice gloves! 😂
Never without 'em ;)
The future models will have a modified side stand, which will make it much easier to get the bike upright. The info is from RE at the ABR UK.
Good to hear. Thanks👍😊
Good stuff Sir, glad you're not caught up in commercial hype like so many amateurs pretending to be future YT billionaires! Back with reality, has Mrs RT considered the Vulcan 650, if only for its seat height? I'm taking delivery soon because it will fulfil my 2-wheel wheelchair requirement, with its feet forward position!! ( ps, east of Dover, the tallest mountain range is pronounced Him-arl-ears, according to persons living out there! )
Thanks. The Vulcan is a good idea👍😊
Ther side stand ' issue' is by design. They prevent the bike rolling off when parked on slopes.
I’m not sure that’s correct
Great series because this mid cc category is really flourishing and I love this size bike.
I rode 40k on a Rally 250 and is was reliable but not comfy-great bike though
I bought a 400X and rode 7k in a few months and sold it --would love to own one again fpor local riding its a fun engine and gorgeous bike front forks too stiff has a lock out electronic issue which is a no go for solo riding ina foreign country far from dealers so sold it
I bought a NX500 new lots of dealer support, its a Honda, love the engine sound and delivery was surprised b y that-its 1/5 the price of a BMW1300 and i have aluminium panniers windscreen lip flat seat and 16 tooth front and 6k on it now its absolutely ideal for a small light easy long range [500km] touring bike--just big enough for my 185cm/95kg frame with the seat concepts style seat [flat profile] and Michelin Road 6 tires--great travel bike in Asia
Will be putting a down payment on the CFMoto 450 for Canada --will be for grave road and small highway travel when needed--likely get soft luggage set up on it-i can use it for rough roads even some single track both of which are plentiful there..factory tall seat and windscreen make my life much easier--buy and ride--in this case a 21" front is valuable--i prefer the 19" for street use
I suppose one point of inexpensive simple bikes is that you can buy two three or more bikes for the price of the top of the range options. I ride a Honda Click scooter that has Pirellis and YSS suspension, dual disc brakes and ABS every day .
There are excellent low cost high quality very fun bikes out there these days to be had. Its a bit of a revolution to me who has been riding since the 70's. Love the options and hope the Japanese get into competition mode against CF Moto. Really cant complain these days. Buy some great tires for your new bike and you are good to go now a days
Good choice(s). Thanks for your input :)
Interesting comments on the engine given the reviewers currently singing the praise of REs new Gorrilla, will you be testing one soon?
I don't understand all these positive comments - Big Rock, in particular. I so wanted to like the Himalayan, but it's another disappointing Royal Enfield. I'll give the Guerilla a go, but I'm not expecting miracles... :(
@@RocketMan_Moto Press launch praise.... Get the invite. Sing the praises. Get the invite.... and so it goes. We'll never get a look in!
Very true🤔
I am hesitant about the long term ownership of a Chinese made bike. I've owned two before, and they were almost toys.
Japanese are stupid expensive
So I am looking at the new Him 450 and the 450 MT... but I just can't get over the Chinese made thing.
Any long term owners here? please advise!
I’d be interested, too…
Thankyou for the real world review.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Nicely presented. Firm seat, eh? That would be an automatic disqualifucation for me; my butt is quite sensitive to this stuff. The most comfy seat I've ever experienced was the optional comfy seat on my F750GS. That bike also had a short side stand and thus lesned a lot and took some muscle to straighten up, but I found it handy when parking on road shoulders that where sloping down; with a longer kick stand I wouldn't be able to park there. Cheers.
I agree that sometimes it is nice to have a short stand, when you're parked on a camber, but the lean really is excessive on the Himalayan and if the camber goes the 'wrong way', the bike's going to be almost horizontal. Thanks for your input :)
I was thinking about the triumph 400x but the cf moto clx 700 adventure has chucked a serious spanner in the works of that decision.
They're getting better and better
i liked the review, an honest opinion on the bike, nothing wrong with that. Single cylinders are never that good on the road at speed, My last one was a 650 xt and I got rid of it becuase of that. around town they are great
Yes, for relaxed riding around town, the Himalayan is great
It was a combination of that side stand and despite offering it RE never brought the lower seat to the dealers so for a small rider the 452 was not an upgrade option from my 411. If others know the low seat is now available I’d be interested as the dealers still are saying it’s not available. I rode the Triumph and the engine is the stand out feature better imho than the 452.
I agree that the Triumph engine is nicer. The Speed 400 especially is very nice to ride. Thanks for your input :)
as i have said before [ i think ] saying it as it is ----- thats why i watch this channel ,, your view on this bike matches what some others have said anyway ,,, but the r.e. guerrilla seems a better bike and i say look at this for mrs rm ;;;
Thanks. I’m looking forward to trying the Guerilla
With soft suspension, and by the time you get all your luggage on, it will sit lower and therfore more up right. Allowing the Mrs to reach the ground too.
She can’t pull it off the side stand. We tried🙁
I was into getting the new Himalayan. Until the 450MT came out. Saying this as a Honda fan though. You get a lot for your money with the CF. Their ambitious goal is to conquer the european market until 2026.
Oh and I wished the Transalp had been designed like the 450MT.
Can’t fault your reasoning. I so wanted to like the Himalayan, but the 450MT is just better (and cheaper). Thanks for your input👍😊
Thanks for the video, you get what you pay for.
Basically, yes. Thanks😊👍
I've got a 411 and have throughly enjoyed it. I looked at the 451 yesterday which just arrived in the US...too heavy off of the kickstand for a short old man. The CF Moto is not available. Haven't even thought about the Triumph, but might look into after this and Nathanthepostman's reviews. Still looking for a 411 replacement. As many 411 owners have said, I'd like the 411 with a little better highway capability. I too live about 4-5 hours of high speed motorway from the good riding.
The Speed 400 is very nice to ride, slightly nicer than the 400X and certainly a lot nicer than the Himalayan
There will be a longer kickstand available soon. The old himmy is heavier than the 450.
After watching your review on the Honda NX500 I visited the dealer in Blackpool for a test ride. Like you I'm tall, but carrying a bit more weight and unlike you I'm in my seventies. I just couldn't get on it, far to tall for me, i tried the cowboy mounting technique but with no success whatsoever so gave up. I will have to persevere with a bike that's got a lowish bench like seat, if only i was 25 years younger.
I hear you. Impossible for me to get on my Tiger without using the footpeg to ‘cheat’. My 35-year-old, non-motorcycling has no problem, though😩
I had the air-cooled 411cc Himalayan and liked the looks, riding position, brakes and transmission. I didn’t like the engine, it clattered and lacked about 10 hp. Because I’m only 5’8” with a 29” inseam, I would mount it cowboy style. The seat was fine for my commute. I replaced it with a BMW 310R which has different faults (notchy shifting and too soft front forks). The search goes on.
Sounds familiar… the perfect bike doesn’t really exist. Have you tried the Triumph Speed 400?
@@RocketMan_Moto no, but I should go by the Triumph dealer and try it.
Definitely worth a detour👍😊
If you're still looking, try test riding a Yamaha mt 03. It's low, light, very economical, has s lovely smooth engine and a brilliant gearbox. With 42 bhp on tap, it's a fun bike to ride. The looks aren't to everyone's taste but it's a good all rounder.
I like your review
I like your comment 👍😊
Spot on with the bands. Noone does it better than Enfield at the moment with BMW, Suzuki and KTM being equally miserable. Clear, simple to understand and remember.
This bike? Well, it’s not for me. I loved the looks of the old Scram in the red/white paint. 19” front does it perfectly for me and my needs as I off road as much as I visit the gym (not at all unless I get paid). The 17” front on the Guerilla was a bit of a disappointment must be said. As it stands I can’t see why I’d take this over a slightly used Vstrom 650 for the same money. Where I live the Suzuki comes with a seven year warranty, I get more power and Suzuki reliability. Unless you’re on an A2 license or really want that showroom experience I can’t see why this would be your choice.
Agreed. Thanks for your input :)
I agree with you, I have a 411, I live in the bush in OZ, and the it is suited to that, it will be doing a 5000km trip next year, I cruise 50 -60mph, so the bike does suit me, but If I was to get another bike for more distance cruising, it would be CFMoto, I definitely agree the CFmoto 450, is better value over 450 himi, I don't even like the 450 himi, not my style.
Thanks for your input and enjoy your trip :)
You’re right RM…..the CF Moto MT450 already has the Enfield beat on most counts, save dealerships and a rapid spare parts buying process.
The CF isn’t perfect, but I would definitely choose it over the disappointing Himalayan.
I went at sat on the demonstrator at my local shop. I agree, it took so much effort to get off the side stand, that I completely lost interest and didn’t even ride it!
I don’t know how management at RE could sign off that side stand🤔
@@RocketMan_Moto I have a Honda CL500 of similar weight and also leans over too far, but feels about 50kg lighter taking it off the side stand.
I think that’s the problem: big lean angle and big weight 🙁
Love the no nonsense approach as ever, (fillingham will wonder why your so under whelmed haha) . Fortunately a lot of these bikes sell on charm (thats ok) as on most measurable areas they fall short. However if it makes you happy, buy one 😊
My thoughts exactly. They have their charm and are affordable, so if that’s your thing then go for it. I think the cheaper CF Moto is better, though😊
I've test ridden this new Himalayan and agree with almost everything said in this video. The side stand was OK for me and anyway, a side stand extender/enlarger/foot would add 2-3mm to its height and thus reduce the lean angle when parked. I did not really like this bike because of its engine. I have found it just adequate, not fun, not perky at all. For example, the KTM 390 Adventure has an engine which makes it much more enjoyable to ride.
I agree about the KTM offering more punch, but I think the side stand needs more like 5cm, not 2-3mm. Thanks for your input😊👍
Spot in fair and easy to watch
Thank you :)
I finally tried those 3 bikes ( the triumph in speed costume) i finally put a deposit on the 450mt. I really did not liked the RE. I think the triumph would be perfect for my MRS as a first bike (if only she would like to pass her license 😅). It felt like a 125 (light, agile) but with a better finish, more oumf and better brakes.
Good choice. Yes, the Speed is near the top of our list. Seat is a bit tall, though...
@@RocketMan_Moto I understand, the Honda CMX 500 might, maybe, be a better option then.
Absolutely, we're looking at that and the Rebel 500
The only thing I like about the RE is the dash and tasteful screen. I prefer the Guerrilla, but I won't be buying one. I won't buy any two-wheeler that is electronically heavy. Nick
I get that. REs look nice, but they always feel a bit 'Soviet Union' to me
CF moto looks and sounds impressive. None of my business but beginner bike for Mrs RM maybe a Honda 300 dual sport if dirt riding involved or for street a Honda cb 300 r though the triumph s right there. A twin maybe a Honda cb 500 f ? Whatever have fun and ride safe
300s are not available in Europe, Steve. We generally begin with 125s and then graduate to 400s or 500s. We are looking at the Honda 500 Rebel for her. Very low seat height👍😊
Honda for me every time. The MT has already disappointed with water collecting in the subframe and it’s only a matter of time before the rest of its short comings come to light. The RE’s although improving,have never had a great reputation for reliability, and their reputation for easy to fix at the side of the road is no good to me with my limited spannering skills.
Totally agree with you about the press launch biases and it’s a mystery to me why people rush out and buy bikes based on the reviewers initial impressions.
I tour a lot and for me reliability is paramount.
Thanks for that, Warren. I agree that Hondas are unbeatable for reliability👍😊
I enjoy your style of review, just jealous of where you live and ride
Thanks, Ninja. Yes, the Algarve is great biking country, although very hot in August 🥵
I am not a RE fanboy, as I owned so far one Kawasaki, two Suzukis and riding currently a Super Duke GT and a X-Max 300, but one hour on a demo bike with 1.200 km gave me a different impression, and after watching your quick test, I also came to the conclusion that your and my priorities how to judge a motorcycle are different.
Fair enough. Thanks for stopping by👍😊
Sic transit gloria mundi. Which loosely translates as 'Gloria Munday threw up in the back of my van.' Sort of. 😉 And yes, I'm still struggling to become interested in anything RE offers.
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How would you see this CF Moto 450 vs your Honda Transalp 750 as a touring bike. Certainly not comparable engine & torque powers, but just for riding fun. What would be your daily KM limit comfortable riding for those 2 bikes. Riding 2up, the Transalp probably is the better choice, or … ?!
The Transalp is in a different league to the CF Moto in terms of power and would be much better suited to touring. Difficult to set a km limit, but maybe 200 for the CF and 350 on the Transalp??
I've done 1600k on my Himalayan. I find your review a bit harsh on some points. Tyres are very good on the tarmac. The stand is too short for most people, but there is a slight downside camber in my front driveway,, making the short stand prefect for me. I have found the brakes good.
If you’ve found the right bike for you, then great. Ride safe😊
Mmmmm.....ironic, it's not just me. All excited, I went to the local dealer to have a ride. I really do want one. Got to the dealer, in the showroom, sat on the bike, wow this feels great. Tried to lift the bike from the side stand and had to stop. I, for a second, thought i had pulled a muscle in the shoulder. Reset my position a couple of seconds later after the pain had stopped and lifted the bike again. Wow, is it me or am I lifting a harley davidson? At that point, I didn't bother taking the bike for a ride. Having to pull the bike with so much energy off the stand put me off. Maybe I am getting old. I then bought a 400X. Never looked back
You too, then. I agree that it’s a real struggle to pull the bike up. How could they let it out of the factory like this?🤷♂️
@@RocketMan_Moto Good point - and the averague height in india for a bloke is 5 foot 4 😆
If you're looking for a bike for Mrs RM, I would agree that the Himalayan is not the best choice. Of the other 2, the 400X is a road bike that could manage a bit of gravel or hard pack track and that's pretty much it. The CF Moto, is a much better off road bike, but is that the riding you intend for it? They are definitely horses for courses. Good luck which ever route Mrs RM takes. I'm in Faro at the end of September and will wave at every Tiger 900 I see....... Just in case 😂😂😂
The Triumph Speed 400 would be better for Mrs RM - smaller and nicer to ride. Enjoy Faro in September, I hope it's a bit cooler than at the moment :)
Having ridden the Himi and the 450MT it is a slam dunk for the MT. It feels in a different class in almost all areas.
I really liked the idea of the Himi, rugged, simple, capable etc but the truth is the MT has made the Himi obsolete….almost. The dealer network and service intervals certainly add back and rebalance the books a bit.
The side stand is easy to sort…the BMW 1150GS had the same problem and this was cured by attaching an ice hockey puck to the bottom of the stand. Has the added advantage of a larger foot so less likely to sink in grass.
Still going for the MT though.
Completely agree. I really wanted to like the Himalayan, but it feels like something the Soviet Union would have produced back in the mid 70s compared to the 450MT.
It's okay that you are not in love with Himalayan. Many people are not. And this is true about the weight, and weird lean angle (which I suppose is purposed to make the seat even lower when you mount the bike), and maybe even the engine. But I am really surprised to hear so many bloggers praise MT450. Is it really so different from all the rest of Chinese bikes?
In a word, yes. It’s the first Chinese bike I’ve ridden that I would seriously consider buying👍😊
She could try a cb500f? Light weight, low seat, fun etc. Or the 500 rebel with a really low seat
Both good suggestions😊👍
@@RocketMan_Moto , I am sure a machine shop could easily modify the Himalayan's side stand to provide a steeper angle. I understand, you don't want to spend a lot of money on a new bike to immediately have the local black smith butcher it, but if your wife really likes the bike, there is always a solution.
Apparently RE is working on a longer stand. I wouldn’t have thought it was that complicated.
CFMOTO 450 platform has been getting good reviews elsewhere, especially from Philippine based YTers. I think Mrs. might look great in the other Triumph 400 (speed). It seems like other reviewers like that one over 400x.
I prefer the Speed 400, too, but I thought it made more sense to compare the 400X to the Himalayan👍😊
Your review is entertaining as ever. You are not alone in your view of RE. I just find them bland, not particularly exciting. Perhaps it's because they are all low power A2 compliant bikes. I wouldn't ever ride one let alone own one. Too slow for me.
Thanks, Alex. Yes, in a nutshell, Royal Enfields never live up to their names.
Don't forget about the broken frames on the new Himalayan 450s.
Yes, I’ve seen this. Concerning🤔
I had no idea on your USP; I assumed you were shy... Deffo more credible than Shillingham!
Haha, thanks :)
I test tode one and liked a lit about it. But, i thought the lack of decent screen and buzzy vibration an issue. And i did 40000 miles on a 660 Tenere, so I'm used to singles.
I need to ride again with a bigger screen.
I can't get a test on the CF at the moment.
Ride safe 👍
The CF is definitely worth testing before you decide on anything else😊
I found it to be pretty heavy on the showroom floor, it is heavy for a 450cc motorcycle. I was somewhat surprised. If they could take 20-30kg off it, it would be better.
Exactly. It’s 30kg lighter than my Tiger, but somehow manages to feel heavier when manoeuvring🤷♂️
"Villager 450" may suit it better ??
Or Gentle Hill 450 😂
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A Honda 500 CL has a 790mm seat height and might fit the bill for the Mrs.... The 450 MT is only 10mm on its lowest setting...
It has a hidden spacer thats a15 minute job to swap out which mean you could use it too with an optional high seat to swap around..
Should read the MT is only 10mm higher on it lowest link setting...
Interesting. Wasn't aware of the 'hidden spacer' thing - thanks
@@RocketMan_MotoCan find it on videos and spec sheets. Total offering is 800mm or standard 820mm link plus the optional seat bringing seat height up to 870mm. I guess originally this MT450 was aimed at the Asian market where folk are shorter and a 450 is seen as a big bike which many would wish to attain & upgrade to compared with 125, 250/300s which are more traditional transport.
Plus there already is a massive supply of aftermarket goodies either from CF Moto or a site called Uncle Wang. The latter specialises in supplying Chinese Motors with some quality looking spares.
I’m leaning more and more towards this bike👍😊
Did you get ChatGPT to write that report 🙂
Joking aside, the Triumph Speed 400 would probably be a very good choice.
Lol. The Speed is on our list, although it is quite tall for Mrs RM
How can the Triumph's single service interval is at 16k km but both the CFMOTO 450MT and Himalayan need servicing/valve check at 6k km?
You're right, RE's service intervals are extremely short
Good review
Thanks!😊👍
Scrambler 400x for me, just wondering if changing the sprocket tooth number would change the short gearing. I do like the looks of the RE but watching some of the ABR videos the RE designer conceded there was stuff changed after they had finalised their design. Only thing that temps me with the RE is the consumption.
I’m sure the cogs can be swapped out on the 400X. Not sure how RE bosses could sign off that kick stand🤷♂️
@@RocketMan_Moto that’s just it, after the geometry had been worked out and components made did they change the suspension. But they are apparently working on it for the next version.
Hope they get it fixed soon. Surely making a slightly longer stand can’t be that difficult?
I’ve watched heaps of reviews on this bike and I’m thinking for sure this bike isn’t for you. Don’t ever come to Australia to do a test you wouldn’t make it off the tar.
OK, Allan
according to re they are aware of stand issue and are working on a fix don't know why its taking so long, iv'e just bought an interceptor and my biggest complaint is lack of quality but it was cheap so cant complain but I wouldn't buy another
Thanks for your input, Steven. Enjoy your Interceptor (even if you don’t like it very much😬)
It's nice to ride, but obviously cheap for a reason
All Royal Enfields lean over alarmingly on the short side stand (well maybe not all, but I'm prepared to stand my ground). Hitchcocks sell an adjustable stand for the Interceptor but it ain't cheap. For your wife, the Gorilla has a much lower (under 800 mm) seat height, but it's not much lighter and leans over just as much. Be lucky!
Thanks for that. The Gorilla probably would be better suited, but current thinking is the Triumph Speed 400… if she can deal with the relatively tall seat👍😊
I watch the videos on this channel for the hypnotic and fluent-creative English of the narrator. Postmodern and ambiguous depictions (which I love) The insistence on "I will not give up telling the truth because you want it" as understood from the Royal Enfield comments.
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. The Narrator😊