@@jamiejosh96 More technical ability from all three boxing ranges, better defence, better punch timing, more precise adjustments, best clincher in boxing history, etc.
Also Cals movements were so unpredictable and before his constant hand injuries, he was dropping bombs. but it's no surprise he had multiple hand breaks after he won the title, he was putting out the same volume of punches we saw him donin later fights, but they had more power lol.
You are stupid. Hopkins was way past his prime. Calzaghe would be shut down from throwing high volume of punches after getting countered hard from being wide open. Ward would pick him apart no doubt.
I think u had to ko Calzaghe to win, or at least hurt him bad. His pace and punch outlet will overrun a technical boxer, ward won't have the time to find his ritme. So only shot he has Is stopping Joe, not an easy task...
@@johnnysheridan Stop playing dumb. Jones didn't jut lose to Calzaghe. Roy was untouchable for 12 years and then he starts losing to everyone, including people he had dominated before like Hopkins. Roy was clearly past it when he fought Joe. No Joe was hiding out fighting local nobodies when Roy was dominating Boxing. Joe didn't want any part of prime Roy. You fan boys from ohis region are ridiculous.
+Russell Adams I’m a huge fan of Joe Calzaghe but I acknowledge the truth that is Ward’s technical ability and boxing I.Q. I think the best way to break it down is comparing the opponents they both faced. Joe was the first to beat Mikkel Kessler and Andre fought him several years later. They also both fought Sakio Bika and he gave them both difficult fights from what I remember.
@@russelladams7134 isn’t joe Calzaghe only like 2 years younger than jones? They’re from the same era. It’s just because Calzaghe seemed better at an older age. A little similar to Lennox Lewis with Tyson, both from same era yet people say Lewis waiter until Tyson was old…. Yet Lewis was just as old. He just aged better.
Calzaghe all day long, it's not that he's most dangerous when he gets tagged, it's his opponents are at their most vulnerable when they open up to try and finish him off.
Joe C was on his way out when he fought Roy and Bernard Hopkins Joe was 37 when he fought a 39-year-old Roy Jones that fight could have happened five years before it actually did and the outcome would have been the same.
Stop playing dumb. Jones didn't jut lose to Calzaghe. Roy was untouchable for 12 years and then he starts losing to everyone, including people he had dominated before like Hopkins. Roy was clearly past it when he fought Joe. No Joe was hiding out fighting local nobodies when Roy was dominating Boxing. Joe didn't want any part of prime Roy. You fan boys from ohis region are ridiculous.
@@Jay-ci4to Amazing how they werent washed up Before the fights? And Joe beat another 35 washed up champion fighters too before he retired undefeated at 37....He would have too much ammunition and too granite a chin for Ward to win. Clazhagi beat Jones ,lacey ,Brewer, Hopkins ,Kessler, Eubanks etc and would have dismantled Ward and could have done it without breaking a sweat...
@@robertpegg7251Lacey and Kessler are good wins but bhop(overrated fighter), Jones(more athlete than fighter = younger prime age) and eubanks(good fighter but going through a rough period with age) don’t count. Furthermore all three had declined and either lost before or after. Eubanks was completely washed by then lost the next 2 and retired. That said I believe Joe Calzaghe can beat ward with work rate and chin. Wards technical skill will allow him to survive where he will whittle down towards the end. If Joe doesn’t lose more than the first 4 he can win as ward will probably sneak a round or too at the top. It would be close probably 115-113 or ugly split. It would be harder for ward than Joe. But Joe is still losing to prime Roy Jones. The Roy that dog walked toney and bhop beats Joe. But that’s a discussion for a different day
@@mikehatten5738Saying Hopkins is overrated is ridiculous. One of the most successful boxers of the past three decades. Undisputed champion 20 defenses
Good question. But Joe would have beaten ward on points.. His output was freaky.. I think any true boxing fans feel this is the outcome. Its great to see some of these lads acknowledge Joe's prowess.. Especially as its n the legendary American gyn.. Respect from wales.. And good luck to May weather gym on producing more champs.
Calzaghe can’t “outbox” as ward is more technical and by the boxing book but he can “outfight” ward although it would be a challenge for both with Joe coming out 115-113 most likely or an ugly split. Ward did dominate the super six and that was top notch competition. Tbh Joe style is too unorthodox for ward to control all fight. Also joes timing isn’t rhythmic which gives ward less chances for counters. Wards IQ is better which means he will figure something out but most likely will lose the mid and some later rds trying to do that once his stamina drops.
If you’re talking prime Calzaghe. That’s Calzaghe before all the hand troubles, before he had to adapt his punches. Watch his first 25-26 fights and he could bang. With the work rate. Think he beats more past champions than people think. People only pay attention to the end of his career and think that’s prime joe. He wasn’t in his prime the whole time he was world champion
@@christopherbattle2229 Calzaghe was only 2 years or so younger… look at what Hopkins achieved afterwards as well. You also need to remember that Calzaghe wasn’t in his prime either and had suffered from damaged hands for almost a decade up to that point
He may slap but look at how he slapped lacy face over 1000 times in 12 rounds.you don't always need power you just need to show who is better and calzaghe has impeccable cardio and can slap all night he just don't stop
Calzaghe by decision. Joe did have a higher KO ratio than Ward, more than 66% of his fights were by KO and only 50% for Ward. Joe is a machine with all the punches he throws to overwhelm Ward. Andre will stay in, def no KO. Would've loved to see that match up.
I think you gota have somebody like marvin hagler caliber to beat Calzaghe, its nearly impossible to survive storm hes bringing, you either going down or getting absolutely dominated after 4-5 rounds. The fact he didnt fight some of the world class champions in their prime doesnt mean he couldnt beat them. I still pick roy jones in his prime, but joe wasnt youngster either and he did well even in early rounds when Roy was fresh.
The trouble is with this question is I don't think in general most Americans watched most of Joe's fights which isn't a surprise as he isn't American. He always worked the other guy out, he fought some rock hard fighters and I'm not talking about the American ones because some of the other guys were tougher. People always said he slapped, he had no defence .... Well look at the state of most of the fighters he fought and look at Joe's face. He retired still basically looking the same. He had hand trouble and still beat everyone. I should also say a fair few of Wards fights are so damn boring you wonder why anyone would pay to watch him.
Calzaghe because of hand speed and footwork and work rate... I think Wards Style would suit Calzaghe.. I think Calzaghe said the same his style would suit him.
These guys are meant to be boxing professionals??? Calzaghe was far from his prime when he fought BHop (who won a world title after the loss) or RJJ either. Super middleweight was dominated by Euroeans in late 90's early 00's so why would there be a need to prove themselves in the states? Calzaghe beat 8-10 current or former world champions. Calzaghe wins this for me by some margin
Although I agree the Roy Jones win didn’t count for much except a curtain call for Joe, the Hopkins win was still impressive. It was an ugly ugly fight like a lot of Hopkins matches but look at what he went on to do after that L! He took Pavlik’s 0, wins over Pascal, Dawson and Cloud to unify titles. Needs putting into context. Joe was also old and his hands were ruined. He did an absolute number on Lacy who was a big favourite. He beat a much younger unbeaten Kessler who would go on to take Froch’s 0. JC is one of the most under appreciated champions ever imo. As for him vs Ward it’s too hard to call. Genuine 50/50 both in their prime.
@@democracyisevil6043 Joe didn't need power to hurt Ward. Joe has speed. 9 punches per second he was tapping out at when he was tested on counter punch. He was to busy for Ward. Ward is a great fighter but not in Joes league.
@@xkeyscore1120 Ward is way more battle tested than Calzaghe. He had way better timing and way more. Also Calzaghe defense is extremely hyped up overrated by the biased UK fans. Ward would figure him out. I remember when British fans said McDonnell was too defensively sound for Inoue. David Benavidez who isnt a legendary boxer he has a style that Calzaghe would not be able to deal with. Benavidez would be too strong and too good on the inside but his height and reach would give him problems on the outside too. 6ft 3 and too strong in the clinch.
@@xkeyscore1120 Also, Ward has seen so many styles as an Olympian. Also, can you really say Calzaghe had a better career than Ward? Calzaghe best wins were against a washed up RJJ and an old Hopkins who foolishly took a shortened fight against Calzaghe. Also, Ward had a better jab than Calzaghe as well.
The bullshit he didn't fight in America excuse can also be reversed, the American never fought outside the US. In fact Ward barely even ever fought outside his home state of California and most of those were in his home city. During the Super 6 Tournament he was the only fighter to not only not fight away from home, Ward fought every single fight in his home town up to the final but it even that was still in the States. Calzaghe also mostly fought at home but he still managed to fight in Germany and US also something Ward never did.
macallum was right when he said its about who would want it the most and both fighters would give everything they had and more but i think joe woulda come out on top he had it all great chin , great speed, great skill , good power look what he did to roy jones when roy jones had never been cut before ,great at adapting to a fight, tough on the inside could fight rough if needed and dirty like ward, and he had some serious stamina he just would of been that bit too much for ward in the end
Joe was old when he fought the great Americans. These great Americans avoided Calzaghe when he was at his peak and only fought him when he was old and they were no longer champions.
My GOD... and this is an American Gym.... with "boxing people" in it?? "Calzaghe too small to beat Ward"... They were the same height give or take a centimetre, and Joe had a longer reach. "Calzaghe ducked Jones and Hopkins in their prime" ... NO>>>> The only fight that was actually made was Calzaghe v Hopkins in 2002. Purse agreed, American venue agreed... then Hopkins just pulled out, and NEVER fought at 168 (because he knew the World would want to know why he ducked JC) As for Roy Jones? FFS... Roy had been World Champion at 175 for nearly a year before Calzaghe even beat Eubank. No way was Roy going to drop back down to 168, and Calzaghe was too inexperienced to step straight up to 175. Joe is quite open about that All of the above is FACT. If I know this.... Why dont these alleged "boxing people"? Ward was a class act. But unless he knocks Calzaghe out..... JC takes it on points.
I get fed up with this, IT was Jones and Hopkins who turned down fights with Calzaghe , in the same way James Toney kept banging on about kicking the shit out of Benn and Eubank BUT turned down the fights when they came up. Andre Ward cannot ever beat Calzaghe, Doesnt throw enough punches , isnt more intelligent and if he gets dirty, Joe can do that too. Plus Calzaghe has 1 kind of controversy on his record (Robin Reid) Ward has 3 (Kovalev x2 and Kessler) all repeated fouling. Not to mention that ward wouldnt fight outside of his back garden and with his own judges
Roy had been KO'd a couple times and slowed down by the time he fought Calzaghe. The Hopkins fight, Joe won on busyness. It was closer than it looked, many shots hit his gloves or missed.
This is one of the all time I dont know fitghts. Ward is one of the hardest geezers to ever walk the face of the earth. But Sir Joe can rack up the rounds...
The guy with the green towel, I thought you was going to say ward or Jones, now that would've been close 👀 😂😭😭 Throwing out any chance of Joe winning, he's that underated, guy was a great fighter, don't get enough credit imo anyway
Ward timing and jab is superior to Calzaghe... early on joe would overwhelm him early and the distance control, jab and body work that ward has would make it hard for joe to get in to use hes combinations and activity after about 2-3 rounds
Early on, Joe would overwhelm him?? After 6 rounds, Ward would suddenly realise Calzaghe is sucking the oxygen out of him. Calzaghe, non-stop for 12 rounds. Unanimous decision. Hopkins would never have seen the end of that fight if he hadnt played dead for 5 minutes and got himself a break
Calzaghe had everything man. Machine gun showman. Great boxer . People still blame Calzaghe that he fought everybody whe they gol older. Calzaghe was 36 and Jones 39 when they fought. Americans will neer see somebody outside USA better than their own boxers.
People talk about Calzaghe fighting Hopkins and jones who were not in their prime,nieither was Calzaghe. They talk about Calzaghe 'slaps', he had hand inuries so adapted his style and still won. If Ward fought 'slapper' Calzaghe he loses, if he fought injury free Prime Calzaghe then he is getting beat easier. Calzaghe was relentless, tough, game, fast a truly great fighter, as was Ward, but Calzaghe would win
Lou Del Valle calling JC overrated because he thought a BHop on the way down. BHOp went and beat a 26 year old undefeated World Champion Kelly Pavlik just 6 months after losing to JC. BHop was still top of the chain when he lost to JC; JC battered ‘the next Mike Tyson’ and unified the belts beating Kessler. He would have fought more of the top guys if not for injuries and a rubbish promoter. Beats Ward on points; throws too many for Ward defence to handle
Great fight that shouldve happened .irs hard to say but i believe Andre Ward would inside fight him and rough him up to where joe wouldn't be able to outwork Ward with his punches.
i know for a fact it would've been incredibly messy and boring. edge towards ward, but very close to call really. also depends massively on where the fight was held
Dude saying Calzaghe is overrated because he beat fighters on their way out. He was on is way out too and was fighting with broken hands, not to mention Hopkins beat serious competition after that fight.
The US didn't see Joe in his prime. There was only a few years diff between Joe and Roy Jones Jr. It makes it sound like there was 15 years diff or something.
42 or whatever is not peak. He was smart and had a bag of tricks that he pulled out as he got older. Many of Joe's slaps missed, or just hit his gloves, which is not clean shots landed or effective aggression.
An old hopkins neutralised alot of stuff calzaghe did but just wanst busy enough. Its easy to say calzaghe i agree his output is insane and i see him einning on points too. But im a fan of both and it think it goes like joe vs hopkins except ward is more active... idk im saying a draw
finally somebody who ACTUALLY understood what they were watching in the Calzaghe vs hopkins fight. that's why I always felt ward would beat him...Dre IQ and his inside fighting would rip Calzaghe apart he wouldn't know what to do against andre ward. competitive fight but ward outpoints him
@@RASHONBOND973 yeah i would say the same tbh wards cut from the same cloth as hopkins plus in his prime in a fantasy matchup on top of already being more athletic than hopkins and with great toe to toe work like you said ward can maul people with his old school toe to toe stuff
@@RASHONBOND973 He who establish a good jab and activity will win, Ward I feel wont go for broke attack considering Joe's recovery rate and his power will be relatively reduced due to defense
Hopkins neutralised Calzaghe by.... making it a non fight. Grabbing, leading with the jab then a wraparound right, wrestling, butting...... and STILL Calzaghe was pushing him back... So much so that Hopkins played dead TWICE. So the real story here is... Calzaghe neutralised Hopkins
Hopkins didn't age as fast as many other fighters and won a belt long after that fight so while he wasn't prime he wasn't old to the point he was ineffective, reminds me of a Floyd. Genetically gifted to go further for longer . Joe on the other hand was 36 and at the end of his career. He had a tougher matchup against BH than he did Jones but he won decisively in that fight. Ward was NEVER a Bernard Hopkins and $ would've been on BH everyday 2x on sunday. Joe beats Ward in a decision, although Joe had power with nearly 70% KO ratio. Ward's too good to be KOd.
32-0 vs 46-0. Andre Ward by Unanimous Decision. Ward had the better jab and defense. Andre would've beat Joe on the inside. Ward's inside game, defensively and offensively would have neutralized Calzaghe work rate
Calzaghe was the best adjuster in boxing and was also great inside. Joe would have worked out Ward by the middle rounds and stepped up his volley of punches. Ward was brilliant, however, his work rate was half of what Joe produced. Joe was strong all the way through 12 rounds and would have won by 8 rounds to 4.
Exciting fight, but Ward needs to put Joe on the ropes and put a beating and score a knockdown. Joe is too strong mentally and physically and use volume to produce a war and win a SD. But Ward when he comes back in the rematch tko’s Joe in the championship rounds.
Calzaghe was a very good fighter, but i think he was lucky to get the decision against Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins. Ward would figure out Calzaghe and beat him
@@Only1Kizz No I like ward, he is very clever defensive fighter, ugly boxer tho, and I think if the game happens in england easy win for Joe, in las vegas with a ref like the one in hopkins fight, which allow holding and headbutts then its gonna be tougher. But Calzaghe is superior boxer in everything. And ward has a loss to kovalev, which he is nowhere near the level of Joe, so.
@@ΒασίληςΠαπαμιχαήλ-μ4β In the 1st fight I thought ward won by one point tough fight though and in the second fight what happened👂🏾👂🏾? ward fought better competition and probably has a better career. Who has Calzaghe fought who is the same level as Kovalev. To be honest it’s a close fight because of Calzaghes business and wards ability to adjust and great boxing IQ. I was kind of leaning towards ward but now I don’t know.
Great question 👍 you Americans know your boxing stuff, over here in the uk the question here is who wins calzaghe or froch!! Haha!! Only ever one winner and answer there!! Wardv calzaghe = split decision calzaghe! Andre ward a true great though!!
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In American gym it was close, in other words Calzaghe 100%
They're talking like Andre Ward is Sugar Ray Robinson or something 🤦🏽♂️
Ward 100%
Except Ward is better than Robinson was
@@brandonlamb9067 nah imagine believing that
@@jamiejosh96 More technical ability from all three boxing ranges, better defence, better punch timing, more precise adjustments, best clincher in boxing history, etc.
Calzaghe always made it look effortless.
Seemingly endless stamina and a chin like a rock he would out work Andre.
Also Cals movements were so unpredictable and before his constant hand injuries, he was dropping bombs. but it's no surprise he had multiple hand breaks after he won the title, he was putting out the same volume of punches we saw him donin later fights, but they had more power lol.
@@obadguy2468 being able to change and still win with it, his will to win was his real power.
Nobody could neutralise Calzaghe - not even Hopkins. A great fight but Joe wins.
Exactly
You are stupid. Hopkins was way past his prime. Calzaghe would be shut down from throwing high volume of punches after getting countered hard from being wide open. Ward would pick him apart no doubt.
@@JimAssalone beat undefeated 26 year old World Champion Kelly Pavlik 6 months after losing to JC. Clearly way past his best 🙄
Nobody?! lol Tell us you're from Calzaghe's homeland without telling us.
😂
I think u had to ko Calzaghe to win, or at least hurt him bad. His pace and punch outlet will overrun a technical boxer, ward won't have the time to find his ritme. So only shot he has Is stopping Joe, not an easy task...
He also had insane speed and rhythm plus he actually had KO power in his hands Before he went through multiple hand injuries time and time again.
Ward, 'prime' jones whoever, there is no keeping up with the man and he is an absolute master at mid fight adjustments
@@johnnysheridan Stop playing dumb. Jones didn't jut lose to Calzaghe. Roy was untouchable for 12 years and then he starts losing to everyone, including people he had dominated before like Hopkins. Roy was clearly past it when he fought Joe. No Joe was hiding out fighting local nobodies when Roy was dominating Boxing. Joe didn't want any part of prime Roy. You fan boys from ohis region are ridiculous.
@@johnnysheridannobody on earth beats a prime Roy Jones Jr his God given abilities were insane and unmatched way to well rounded and unorthodox
@@johnnysheridan prime Jones was much faster than Calzaghe and too awkward. He barely beat a slightly past primeval Hopkins lmao...
I’m a Calzaghe fan, and I give this to Joe, but it’s not easy. I think Calzaghe overwhelms Ward, especially in the later rounds.
Andre Ward a better defensive fighter. Calzaghe beat an old Bernard Hopkins and an old Roy Jones Jr. Joe Calzaghe a little overrated.
+Russell Adams I’m a huge fan of Joe Calzaghe but I acknowledge the truth that is Ward’s technical ability and boxing I.Q. I think the best way to break it down is comparing the opponents they both faced.
Joe was the first to beat Mikkel Kessler and Andre fought him several years later. They also both fought Sakio Bika and he gave them both difficult fights from what I remember.
i doubt that. ward is a dog
@@russelladams7134 isn’t joe Calzaghe only like 2 years younger than jones? They’re from the same era. It’s just because Calzaghe seemed better at an older age. A little similar to Lennox Lewis with Tyson, both from same era yet people say Lewis waiter until Tyson was old…. Yet Lewis was just as old. He just aged better.
@@eliaschrysanthous7387 wear n tear ages a fighter faster that’s why Floyd always said “the less you get hit the longer you last in this sport”
These yanks haven’t got a clue. Calzaghe would smoke him
Exactly.
100%
Don’t be daft Ward was different class
Absolutely.
@@megadave1197yet I wouldn't pay good money to watch ward technically yes great fighter but man was he boring
Calzaghe all day long, it's not that he's most dangerous when he gets tagged, it's his opponents are at their most vulnerable when they open up to try and finish him off.
Just remember that they had to do super six tournament because calzaghe retired on top
Joe C was on his way out when he fought Roy and Bernard Hopkins Joe was 37 when he fought a 39-year-old Roy Jones that fight could have happened five years before it actually did and the outcome would have been the same.
Man Joe Calzaghe was a bad boy. He was extremely busy!
Prime Roy at 168 would put a beating on Calzaghe and this is coming from a big fan of Joe. Then, again, I love Roy Jones as well lol
@@brandonlamb9067 NOBODY is putting real paws on a prime roy. not even floyd.
Y'all must've forgot
Stop playing dumb. Jones didn't jut lose to Calzaghe. Roy was untouchable for 12 years and then he starts losing to everyone, including people he had dominated before like Hopkins. Roy was clearly past it when he fought Joe. No Joe was hiding out fighting local nobodies when Roy was dominating Boxing. Joe didn't want any part of prime Roy. You fan boys from ohis region are ridiculous.
Remember when you say Calzaghe didn't fight fighters in their prime - IT WAS BECAUSE NO MANAGEMENT TEAM WOULD FIGHT HIM!
They say he waited until Hopkins got old, Hopkins won more titles after!!!!!
It’s because he wouldn’t leave the UK. He was happy defending the title against British fighters.
@@mrtibbz10yeah, but he was still old
Ward's defence would have got him into the later rounds but he'd have been worn down. Calzaghe by far on points, even with Vegas judges
So many people saying Joe beat Roy when he was on his way out, Joe retired after that fight, what was he?
Mate Rjj was a shot fighter by the time joe fought him whereas joe wasn’t
Ward was great but he never saw anybody like Joe..
And joe never saw anybody like ward, dude beat washed up Hopkins and washed up Roy jones
@@Jay-ci4to Amazing how they werent washed up Before the fights? And Joe beat another 35 washed up champion fighters too before he retired undefeated at 37....He would have too much ammunition and too granite a chin for Ward to win. Clazhagi beat Jones ,lacey ,Brewer, Hopkins ,Kessler, Eubanks etc and would have dismantled Ward and could have done it without breaking a sweat...
@@robertpegg7251Lacey and Kessler are good wins but bhop(overrated fighter), Jones(more athlete than fighter = younger prime age) and eubanks(good fighter but going through a rough period with age) don’t count. Furthermore all three had declined and either lost before or after. Eubanks was completely washed by then lost the next 2 and retired.
That said I believe Joe Calzaghe can beat ward with work rate and chin. Wards technical skill will allow him to survive where he will whittle down towards the end. If Joe doesn’t lose more than the first 4 he can win as ward will probably sneak a round or too at the top. It would be close probably 115-113 or ugly split. It would be harder for ward than Joe.
But Joe is still losing to prime Roy Jones. The Roy that dog walked toney and bhop beats Joe. But that’s a discussion for a different day
Calslappie never fought anyone like ward everyone with elite talent he beat were old men eubank jones and hopkins
@@mikehatten5738Saying Hopkins is overrated is ridiculous. One of the most successful boxers of the past three decades. Undisputed champion 20 defenses
Respect from Wales to Dewey for talking the truth 👍❤️🏴
Good question. But Joe would have beaten ward on points.. His output was freaky.. I think any true boxing fans feel this is the outcome. Its great to see some of these lads acknowledge Joe's prowess.. Especially as its n the legendary American gyn.. Respect from wales.. And good luck to May weather gym on producing more champs.
2:58 😂😂😂 Mayweather had thought Ward at first but then he remembered the high volume of punches Joe throws!
Of course an American would pick Ward.😂 Calzaghe was never given the respect over there. But Calzaghe would have outboxed Ward
For sure!
Agree
Calzaghe can’t “outbox” as ward is more technical and by the boxing book but he can “outfight” ward although it would be a challenge for both with Joe coming out 115-113 most likely or an ugly split. Ward did dominate the super six and that was top notch competition.
Tbh Joe style is too unorthodox for ward to control all fight. Also joes timing isn’t rhythmic which gives ward less chances for counters. Wards IQ is better which means he will figure something out but most likely will lose the mid and some later rds trying to do that once his stamina drops.
Joe calzaghe was undefeated amateur and professional
No, he lost as an amateur, he just wasn't dropped, like Froch and Kessler.
He was 110-10 as an amateur
Same for ward ward claims to not have lost a fight since the age of 12
Lou Del Valle........when I got to his bit I turned off. Chump. Calzaghe would have minced him up.
If you’re talking prime Calzaghe. That’s Calzaghe before all the hand troubles, before he had to adapt his punches. Watch his first 25-26 fights and he could bang. With the work rate. Think he beats more past champions than people think. People only pay attention to the end of his career and think that’s prime joe. He wasn’t in his prime the whole time he was world champion
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Calzaghe beat: Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Mikel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, Chris Eubank Snr and Sakio Bike
as well as richie woodhall, robin reid, charles brewer and byron mitchell
@@nickphonewarehouse He didn't really beat Reid and was afraid to give him a rematch
Which one of those is impressive win? Hopkins and Jones were almost 40.
@@christopherbattle2229 Calzaghe was only 2 years or so younger… look at what Hopkins achieved afterwards as well. You also need to remember that Calzaghe wasn’t in his prime either and had suffered from damaged hands for almost a decade up to that point
So you about to count washed up Roy jones and washed up Bernard Hopkins lol, he didn’t fight them in their prime
He may slap but look at how he slapped lacy face over 1000 times in 12 rounds.you don't always need power you just need to show who is better and calzaghe has impeccable cardio and can slap all night he just don't stop
Joe too small??? Lol. Joe outpoints Andre, insane work rate.
Calzaghe by decision. Joe did have a higher KO ratio than Ward, more than 66% of his fights were by KO and only 50% for Ward. Joe is a machine with all the punches he throws to overwhelm Ward. Andre will stay in, def no KO. Would've loved to see that match up.
I think you gota have somebody like marvin hagler caliber to beat Calzaghe, its nearly impossible to survive storm hes bringing, you either going down or getting absolutely dominated after 4-5 rounds. The fact he didnt fight some of the world class champions in their prime doesnt mean he couldnt beat them. I still pick roy jones in his prime, but joe wasnt youngster either and he did well even in early rounds when Roy was fresh.
He literally beat Bhop, people want to argue it wasn’t prime, but straight after calzaghe loss he beats Kelly pavlik in one of his best performances.
The guy with the locks knows his shit.
He does!
100% even knew about Wales and gave a cogent argument as to why he wins
The trouble is with this question is I don't think in general most Americans watched most of Joe's fights which isn't a surprise as he isn't American. He always worked the other guy out, he fought some rock hard fighters and I'm not talking about the American ones because some of the other guys were tougher. People always said he slapped, he had no defence .... Well look at the state of most of the fighters he fought and look at Joe's face. He retired still basically looking the same. He had hand trouble and still beat everyone. I should also say a fair few of Wards fights are so damn boring you wonder why anyone would pay to watch him.
None of the other guys were tougher
Calzaghe is one of the most underrated boxer in history.... Doesn't get the credit he deserve
That's a fact!
He has nobody to blame but himself and his manager for that didn't want to take any risky fights
@@Paul-ew5st correction buddy none of the big names wanted to fight him.
@@ISeanI97 Delusional correction
@@Paul-ew5st delusional no one in the us wanted him thats just the facts you know fuck all buddy
ward never wanted anything to do with calzaghe. ward cant hang with calzaghe not a chance
Yes roy was past his best but age difference was only 3 years between them
3years is a long time in boxing , prime for prime Roy would have beaten anyone at 168
Calzaghe was too busy for Andre ward.
Calzaghe because of hand speed and footwork and work rate... I think Wards Style would suit Calzaghe.. I think Calzaghe said the same his style would suit him.
Calzaghe allday he doesnt need to punch ppl in the family jewels 😯u can predict the mayweather gym answers
These guys are meant to be boxing professionals??? Calzaghe was far from his prime when he fought BHop (who won a world title after the loss) or RJJ either. Super middleweight was dominated by Euroeans in late 90's early 00's so why would there be a need to prove themselves in the states? Calzaghe beat 8-10 current or former world champions. Calzaghe wins this for me by some margin
Name them lol
Do your own damn research! it's all our there he is telling no lies!
Calzaghe fought Hopkins & jones jr when he was past his best aswell
but hopkins won 5 world titles after fighting joe beating undefeated fighter pavlic who beat taylor who beat hopkins twice
Although I agree the Roy Jones win didn’t count for much except a curtain call for Joe, the Hopkins win was still impressive. It was an ugly ugly fight like a lot of Hopkins matches but look at what he went on to do after that L! He took Pavlik’s 0, wins over Pascal, Dawson and Cloud to unify titles. Needs putting into context. Joe was also old and his hands were ruined. He did an absolute number on Lacy who was a big favourite. He beat a much younger unbeaten Kessler who would go on to take Froch’s 0. JC is one of the most under appreciated champions ever imo. As for him vs Ward it’s too hard to call. Genuine 50/50 both in their prime.
Joe was too fast. Too much output. He knocks Ward Spark out
Nah Ward had good defense and heart he came off the canvas in the Kovalev fight
Joe didnt have the power to hurt Ward. Also, Ward is a way better defensive fighter.
@@democracyisevil6043 Joe didn't need power to hurt Ward. Joe has speed. 9 punches per second he was tapping out at when he was tested on counter punch. He was to busy for Ward. Ward is a great fighter but not in Joes league.
@@xkeyscore1120 Ward is way more battle tested than Calzaghe. He had way better timing and way more. Also Calzaghe defense is extremely hyped up overrated by the biased UK fans. Ward would figure him out. I remember when British fans said McDonnell was too defensively sound for Inoue.
David Benavidez who isnt a legendary boxer he has a style that Calzaghe would not be able to deal with. Benavidez would be too strong and too good on the inside but his height and reach would give him problems on the outside too. 6ft 3 and too strong in the clinch.
@@xkeyscore1120 Also, Ward has seen so many styles as an Olympian. Also, can you really say Calzaghe had a better career than Ward? Calzaghe best wins were against a washed up RJJ and an old Hopkins who foolishly took a shortened fight against Calzaghe. Also, Ward had a better jab than Calzaghe as well.
The bullshit he didn't fight in America excuse can also be reversed, the American never fought outside the US. In fact Ward barely even ever fought outside his home state of California and most of those were in his home city. During the Super 6 Tournament he was the only fighter to not only not fight away from home, Ward fought every single fight in his home town up to the final but it even that was still in the States. Calzaghe also mostly fought at home but he still managed to fight in Germany and US also something Ward never did.
Joe was 36 when ppl wanted to fight him😂😂😂
macallum was right when he said its about who would want it the most and both fighters would give everything they had and more but i think joe woulda come out on top he had it all great chin , great speed, great skill , good power look what he did to roy jones when roy jones had never been cut before ,great at adapting to a fight, tough on the inside could fight rough if needed and dirty like ward, and he had some serious stamina he just would of been that bit too much for ward in the end
Early prime Cal actually had power. He had a lot of clean KO and Knock downs but his volume of punches led to hand injuries.
Spot on ...
Joe was old when he fought the great Americans. These great Americans avoided Calzaghe when he was at his peak and only fought him when he was old and they were no longer champions.
My GOD... and this is an American Gym.... with "boxing people" in it??
"Calzaghe too small to beat Ward"... They were the same height give or take a centimetre, and Joe had a longer reach.
"Calzaghe ducked Jones and Hopkins in their prime" ... NO>>>> The only fight that was actually made was Calzaghe v Hopkins in 2002. Purse agreed, American venue agreed... then Hopkins just pulled out, and NEVER fought at 168 (because he knew the World would want to know why he ducked JC)
As for Roy Jones? FFS... Roy had been World Champion at 175 for nearly a year before Calzaghe even beat Eubank.
No way was Roy going to drop back down to 168, and Calzaghe was too inexperienced to step straight up to 175. Joe
is quite open about that
All of the above is FACT. If I know this....
Why dont these alleged "boxing people"?
Ward was a class act. But unless he knocks Calzaghe out..... JC takes it on points.
Ward didn’t see anyone like joe…that’s a heavy question to ask
I love both guys both undefeated, Would go with Calzaghe insane Volume Punches with incredible Stamina Having Enzo Calzaghe in his Corner 💯
I get fed up with this, IT was Jones and Hopkins who turned down fights with Calzaghe , in the same way James Toney kept banging on about kicking the shit out of Benn and Eubank BUT turned down the fights when they came up. Andre Ward cannot ever beat Calzaghe, Doesnt throw enough punches , isnt more intelligent and if he gets dirty, Joe can do that too. Plus Calzaghe has 1 kind of controversy on his record (Robin Reid) Ward has 3 (Kovalev x2 and Kessler) all repeated fouling. Not to mention that ward wouldnt fight outside of his back garden and with his own judges
Everyone saying Hopkins past it then 5 years after fighter Joe he won another title 🤦♂️.
people always forget about the kessler fight
Joe was 37 when he beat rj and bh
36
Roy had been KO'd a couple times and slowed down by the time he fought Calzaghe. The Hopkins fight, Joe won on busyness. It was closer than it looked, many shots hit his gloves or missed.
Hopkins was 43
Jones was 40.
This is one of the all time I dont know fitghts.
Ward is one of the hardest geezers to ever walk the face of the earth.
But Sir Joe can rack up the rounds...
Definitely joe, joe would’ve boxed rings around him.
Joe would have beaten Ward allday
Like Ward for sure but Calzaghe work rate wins it everytime
I got my money on calzaghe any day.
Joe is a slapper? Well forba slapper he s asked lacey face good and proper.. ward wins?? Joe would out box him without a doubt
Calzaghe all day long
Calzaghe *stops* Andre Ward in the 9th
Man Jeff is my favorite Mayweather. I love that dude.
Joe Calzaghe slap the hell out wards face 😂
The guy with the green towel, I thought you was going to say ward or Jones, now that would've been close 👀 😂😭😭
Throwing out any chance of Joe winning, he's that underated, guy was a great fighter, don't get enough credit imo anyway
Lmao Joe would outbox/outwork Ward... not even close
14.24 when he says calzaghe to small for ward haha what a numpty
Ward timing and jab is superior to Calzaghe... early on joe would overwhelm him early and the distance control, jab and body work that ward has would make it hard for joe to get in to use hes combinations and activity after about 2-3 rounds
Early on, Joe would overwhelm him??
After 6 rounds, Ward would suddenly realise Calzaghe is sucking the oxygen out of him. Calzaghe, non-stop
for 12 rounds. Unanimous decision.
Hopkins would never have seen the end of that fight if he hadnt played dead for 5 minutes and got himself
a break
joe didn't fight a prime Roy Jones, let's not forget Roy Jones didn't fight a prime Joe, Calzaghe all the way
Calzaghe had everything man. Machine gun showman. Great boxer . People still blame Calzaghe that he fought everybody whe they gol older. Calzaghe was 36 and Jones 39 when they fought. Americans will neer see somebody outside USA better than their own boxers.
Calzaghe always spoiled his opponents work. Nobody shined against him.
Man,Jeff has got some moves...should have been a dancer
Joe calzaghe all day
People talk about Calzaghe fighting Hopkins and jones who were not in their prime,nieither was Calzaghe. They talk about Calzaghe 'slaps', he had hand inuries so adapted his style and still won. If Ward fought 'slapper' Calzaghe he loses, if he fought injury free Prime Calzaghe then he is getting beat easier. Calzaghe was relentless, tough, game, fast a truly great fighter, as was Ward, but Calzaghe would win
Calzaghe also beat a very dangerous Mikkel Kessler. Yes, RJJ and Bernard Hopkins were past their prime, but so was Calzaghe.
Lou Del Valle calling JC overrated because he thought a BHop on the way down. BHOp went and beat a 26 year old undefeated World Champion Kelly Pavlik just 6 months after losing to JC.
BHop was still top of the chain when he lost to JC; JC battered ‘the next Mike Tyson’ and unified the belts beating Kessler. He would have fought more of the top guys if not for injuries and a rubbish promoter. Beats Ward on points; throws too many for Ward defence to handle
Well JC is undefeated now isn’t he? LOL!
They both are.
It’s a tough fight for both , I wouldn’t like to pick a winner
Ward could not have thrown enough punches; no way Ward could work that matrix out. Calzaghe all day long
Great fight that shouldve happened .irs hard to say but i believe Andre Ward would inside fight him and rough him up to where joe wouldn't be able to outwork Ward with his punches.
If Ward fought Joe , and if Joe's hands where 100%. Who do you think?
i know for a fact it would've been incredibly messy and boring. edge towards ward, but very close to call really.
also depends massively on where the fight was held
Dude saying Calzaghe is overrated because he beat fighters on their way out. He was on is way out too and was fighting with broken hands, not to mention Hopkins beat serious competition after that fight.
The US didn't see Joe in his prime.
There was only a few years diff between Joe and Roy Jones Jr. It makes it sound like there was 15 years diff or something.
Joe calzaghe done all the yanks
Stop with the Hopkins was on his way out. He was peaking later in his career. Joe beat the best that Hopkins was
FACTS
For sure. Bernard and Roy Jones were better than Ward. Joe beat them both!
42 or whatever is not peak. He was smart and had a bag of tricks that he pulled out as he got older. Many of Joe's slaps missed, or just hit his gloves, which is not clean shots landed or effective aggression.
@@jevon1007 exactly
An old hopkins neutralised alot of stuff calzaghe did but just wanst busy enough. Its easy to say calzaghe i agree his output is insane and i see him einning on points too. But im a fan of both and it think it goes like joe vs hopkins except ward is more active... idk im saying a draw
finally somebody who ACTUALLY understood what they were watching in the Calzaghe vs hopkins fight. that's why I always felt ward would beat him...Dre IQ and his inside fighting would rip Calzaghe apart he wouldn't know what to do against andre ward. competitive fight but ward outpoints him
@@RASHONBOND973 yeah i would say the same tbh wards cut from the same cloth as hopkins plus in his prime in a fantasy matchup on top of already being more athletic than hopkins and with great toe to toe work like you said ward can maul people with his old school toe to toe stuff
@@RASHONBOND973
He who establish a good jab and activity will win, Ward I feel wont go for broke attack considering Joe's recovery rate and his power will be relatively reduced due to defense
Hopkins neutralised Calzaghe by.... making it a non fight. Grabbing, leading with the jab then a wraparound right, wrestling, butting...... and STILL Calzaghe was pushing him back... So much so that Hopkins played dead TWICE. So the real story here is... Calzaghe neutralised Hopkins
Hopkins didn't age as fast as many other fighters and won a belt long after that fight so while he wasn't prime he wasn't old to the point he was ineffective, reminds me of a Floyd. Genetically gifted to go further for longer . Joe on the other hand was 36 and at the end of his career. He had a tougher matchup against BH than he did Jones but he won decisively in that fight. Ward was NEVER a Bernard Hopkins and $ would've been on BH everyday 2x on sunday. Joe beats Ward in a decision, although Joe had power with nearly 70% KO ratio. Ward's too good to be KOd.
Calzaghe wins!!!
32-0 vs 46-0. Andre Ward by Unanimous Decision. Ward had the better jab and defense. Andre would've beat Joe on the inside. Ward's inside game, defensively and offensively would have neutralized Calzaghe work rate
Calzaghe was the best adjuster in boxing and was also great inside. Joe would have worked out Ward by the middle rounds and stepped up his volley of punches. Ward was brilliant, however, his work rate was half of what Joe produced. Joe was strong all the way through 12 rounds and would have won by 8 rounds to 4.
Who wants it the most is the best answer EVER
What would the result be if this poll was held in a British gym?
Where you from? Montenegro. What kind of weed that grow out there? 😄 🤣 😂 😆 random as fuck all the mayweathers got a little crazy in them.
Lou Del Valle is… delusional
Calzaghe. With the victory, the 36 year-old Calzaghe pushed his mark 46-0, 32 KO's. Jones, 39 not much of an age gap when they fought tho but yes rjj was past prime.
Ward Box-pro 32 bouts
2017-06-17 Sergey Kovalev 30 1 1 W-TKO
2016-11-19 Sergey Kovalev 30 0 1 W-UD
2016-08-06 Alexander Brand 25 1 0 W-UD
2016-03-26 Sullivan Barrera 17 0 0 W-UD
2015-06-20 Paul Smith 35 5 0 W-TKO
2013-11-16 Edwin Rodriguez 24 0 0 W-UD
2012-09-08 Chad Dawson 31 1 0 W-TKO
2011-12-17 Carl Froch 28 1 0 W-UD
2011-05-14 Arthur Abraham 32 2 0 W-UD
2010-11-27 Sakio Bika 28 4 2 W-UD
2010-06-19 Allan Green 29 1 0 W-UD
2009-11-21 Mikkel Kessler 42 1 0 W-TD
2009-09-12 Shelby Pudwill 22 3 1 W-KO
2009-05-16 Edison Miranda 32 3 0 W-UD
2009-02-06 Henry Buchanan 17 1 0
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Exciting fight, but Ward needs to put Joe on the ropes and put a beating and score a knockdown. Joe is too strong mentally and physically and use volume to produce a war and win a SD. But Ward when he comes back in the rematch tko’s Joe in the championship rounds.
Calzaghe was a very good fighter, but i think he was lucky to get the decision against Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins. Ward would figure out Calzaghe and beat him
Calzaghe easy. If someone wants to see the ugliest boxing match put ward vs hopkins.
Calzaghe easy you must be a ward hater. It’s a tough fight
@@Only1Kizz No I like ward, he is very clever defensive fighter, ugly boxer tho, and I think if the game happens in england easy win for Joe, in las vegas with a ref like the one in hopkins fight, which allow holding and headbutts then its gonna be tougher. But Calzaghe is superior boxer in everything. And ward has a loss to kovalev, which he is nowhere near the level of Joe, so.
@@ΒασίληςΠαπαμιχαήλ-μ4β In the 1st fight I thought ward won by one point tough fight though and in the second fight what happened👂🏾👂🏾? ward fought better competition and probably has a better career. Who has Calzaghe fought who is the same level as Kovalev. To be honest it’s a close fight because of Calzaghes business and wards ability to adjust and great boxing IQ. I was kind of leaning towards ward but now I don’t know.
@Jay Jungle BIASED🤫
“easy”
was Joe Calzaghe even tested
Thats what happens when you duck all the best guys
@@Paul-ew5st the best guys duck him you mean
Great question 👍 you Americans know your boxing stuff, over here in the uk the question here is who wins calzaghe or froch!! Haha!! Only ever one winner and answer there!! Wardv calzaghe = split decision calzaghe! Andre ward a true great though!!
WTF is that old dude one? 'Like Rocky Marciano????????
Joe fought Roy jones when he was 36 and Roy was 39 so both of them were at the end of their boxing carrier
damn jeff got movesssssss
7:35 facts facts
Ward tries to cut off the distance but gets outpointed each time