If it were not for Alto and Surviving Antidepressants, I doubt I would be alive today. I suffered terribly with a whole list of strange symptoms for two years after coming off my anti-depressants. My doctor was no help and tried putting me back on them, which only made me even worse, until I became suicidal. Thankfully I found help online shortly after, and learned that it was PAWS, that I would recover eventually, and that I shouldn't take any more psychiatric medication, because it would make me worse, which is what I had found out myself. Eight years later, I'm still not fully recovered, but much better than I was.
You will be 10 years now how are you doing now? I’m three years off the antidepressants the first two years were sheer hell the third year off them has been a lot better felt a lot more normal but probs still got a while yet before full recovery I fight every day
@@arronwatson1 Hi, I'm glad to hear you are doing a bit better at year 3. Yes, that was the year I was able to notice some improvement, my first 2 years off was sheer hell with no relief. I actually wrote an update on the site recently. Still can't write a complete recovery story, because I'm still vulnerable to stress, when I overdo things, I get a return of some symptoms, but quite mild compared with the early days, and they usually only last between a few days and a couple of weeks, as long as I take care of myself and reduce stress. But I'm 10 years older too, so I doubt I will completely return to how I was. Lots of lessons learned here and mostly content with my life now. Wishing you continuing recovery.
I am convinced that the vast majority of psychiatrists know that PAWS exists but don't want to know all there is to know, for fear of having to live with their respective consciences when they learn the truth about how much damage they have caused their patients. A few know about it but really don't care about the damage they are causing. They all know that if they were to ever speak up in any meaningful way, the pharmaceutical companies would ostracize them and their careers would be seriously impaired. I've spoken candidly with my psychiatrist about this. It's very clear that he knows all about the problem, but is fearful that anything he says openly will hurt his career. He's even apologized to me for causing me to have PAWS, but he would never admit that publicly.
that makes these individuals cowards and reminds me that we undeservedly put many medical professionals on pedestals. they are adults like any other with degrees and rigid training. psychiatry needs a non-medication revolution! (aside: just like there's functional medicine, there should be functional psychiatry.)
@@DavisonVideoFunctional medicine is no better then any other medicine. People need to just focus on tapering off all drugs and supplements, and alcohol and any other nonfood substances, and instead just eat healthy(eat food the closest to the way God produced the food, but it is safe to cook food), and exercise and find and restore and create loving/Christlike fellowship and discipleship relationships in their lives!
Alelle sure told our story! I became homicidal for 8 long, excruciating months while in Effexor, Lithium, Trazodone c/t withdrawal. It was pretty brutal. Thanks so much Adele Framer for your dedication in educating others. Of course they're fully aware of the withdrawal symptoms or they wouldn't be used for torture. Pharmacological torture is the use of psychotropic or other drugs to punish or extract information from a person. The aim is to force compliance by causing distress, which could be in the form of pain, anxiety, psychological disturbance, immobilization, or disorientation. One form of this torture involves forcibly injecting a person with addictive drugs in order to induce physical dependence. The drug is then withdrawn, and, once the person is inwithdrawal, the interrogation is started. If the person complies with the torturer's demands, the drug is reintroduced, relieving the person's withdrawal symptoms. - It’s the same for every day citizens when forced to cold-turkey from ALL psychiatric drugs. They’re All addicting. Especially those who’ve been on them moderate to long-term. Psychiatry knows 'withdrawal symptom's all too well. Who they neglect to tell is us.
My doctor understood this well from talking to his patients, he just wasnt willing to go public with it because of the backlash from his colleagues and employers.
@@montesa9136 my skin has already aged by 20 years from it or more.....scars and holes in my skin. its too late, if I went back on now id be dead. I've had akathisia and panic and hallucinations seizures for 11 years . actually haven't gotten much better. I'm trying new drugs soon , I can't go on like this.
@@montesa9136 Sometimes it's not possible to go back on the medication. During my first year of withdrawal I tried twice, each time it made my symptoms even worse. I realized the only way I was going to survive and hopefully recover was to endure the torment. I'm at 8 years now, not completely recovered, but much better than I was. The nervous system is unpredictable and not well understood, when it becomes chaotic, nothing is guaranteed.
Adele Framer is nasty and condescending on her site. I was crazy sick, asking questions. She was mean and nasty. I don’t care how much knowledge someone has,if they are mean , knowledge is useless.
If it were not for Alto and Surviving Antidepressants, I doubt I would be alive today. I suffered terribly with a whole list of strange symptoms for two years after coming off my anti-depressants. My doctor was no help and tried putting me back on them, which only made me even worse, until I became suicidal. Thankfully I found help online shortly after, and learned that it was PAWS, that I would recover eventually, and that I shouldn't take any more psychiatric medication, because it would make me worse, which is what I had found out myself. Eight years later, I'm still not fully recovered, but much better than I was.
You will be 10 years now how are you doing now? I’m three years off the antidepressants the first two years were sheer hell the third year off them has been a lot better felt a lot more normal but probs still got a while yet before full recovery I fight every day
@@arronwatson1 Hi, I'm glad to hear you are doing a bit better at year 3. Yes, that was the year I was able to notice some improvement, my first 2 years off was sheer hell with no relief. I actually wrote an update on the site recently. Still can't write a complete recovery story, because I'm still vulnerable to stress, when I overdo things, I get a return of some symptoms, but quite mild compared with the early days, and they usually only last between a few days and a couple of weeks, as long as I take care of myself and reduce stress. But I'm 10 years older too, so I doubt I will completely return to how I was. Lots of lessons learned here and mostly content with my life now. Wishing you continuing recovery.
I am convinced that the vast majority of psychiatrists know that PAWS exists but don't want to know all there is to know, for fear of having to live with their respective consciences when they learn the truth about how much damage they have caused their patients. A few know about it but really don't care about the damage they are causing. They all know that if they were to ever speak up in any meaningful way, the pharmaceutical companies would ostracize them and their careers would be seriously impaired. I've spoken candidly with my psychiatrist about this. It's very clear that he knows all about the problem, but is fearful that anything he says openly will hurt his career. He's even apologized to me for causing me to have PAWS, but he would never admit that publicly.
that makes these individuals cowards and reminds me that we undeservedly put many medical professionals on pedestals. they are adults like any other with degrees and rigid training. psychiatry needs a non-medication revolution! (aside: just like there's functional medicine, there should be functional psychiatry.)
I would rather have my license stripped than know I am killing people. My conscience would torment me
@@DavisonVideoFunctional medicine is no better then any other medicine. People need to just focus on tapering off all drugs and supplements, and alcohol and any other nonfood substances, and instead just eat healthy(eat food the closest to the way God produced the food, but it is safe to cook food), and exercise and find and restore and create loving/Christlike fellowship and discipleship relationships in their lives!
Alelle sure told our story! I became homicidal for 8 long, excruciating months while in Effexor, Lithium, Trazodone c/t withdrawal. It was pretty brutal. Thanks so much Adele Framer for your dedication in educating others. Of course they're fully aware of the withdrawal symptoms or they wouldn't be used for torture. Pharmacological torture is the use of psychotropic or
other drugs to punish or extract information from a person. The aim is to force compliance by causing distress, which could be in the form of pain, anxiety, psychological disturbance, immobilization, or disorientation. One form of this torture involves forcibly injecting a person with addictive drugs in order to induce physical dependence. The drug is then withdrawn, and, once the person is inwithdrawal, the interrogation is started. If the person complies with the torturer's demands, the drug is reintroduced, relieving the person's withdrawal symptoms. - It’s the same for every day citizens when forced to cold-turkey from ALL psychiatric drugs. They’re All addicting. Especially those who’ve been on them moderate to long-term. Psychiatry knows 'withdrawal symptom's all too well. Who they neglect to tell is us.
I so appreciate this interview.
Thank you for this interview!
My doctor understood this well from talking to his patients, he just wasnt willing to go public with it because of the backlash from his colleagues and employers.
He should remind himself of the hippocratic oath. Hiding new information greatly harms patients.
Wonderful interview.
Mirtazapine. Where did the last year go?🤮
11 yrs......no one could survive a serious withdrawal for 11 yrs. Not if it is as bad as what I am currently going through.
Im hitting 11 years in a few months, my withdrawal is horrifying, its aged my skin by 20 years, but im still alive...
@@user-vf8ti4dq3d Why would you put yourself through that? I would go back on the meds in heartbeat if withdrawal was that bad & that long.
@@montesa9136 my skin has already aged by 20 years from it or more.....scars and holes in my skin. its too late, if I went back on now id be dead. I've had akathisia and panic and hallucinations seizures for 11 years . actually haven't gotten much better. I'm trying new drugs soon , I can't go on like this.
@@montesa9136 also how the hell was I supposed to know it would last that long
@@montesa9136 Sometimes it's not possible to go back on the medication. During my first year of withdrawal I tried twice, each time it made my symptoms even worse. I realized the only way I was going to survive and hopefully recover was to endure the torment. I'm at 8 years now, not completely recovered, but much better than I was. The nervous system is unpredictable and not well understood, when it becomes chaotic, nothing is guaranteed.
Adele Framer is nasty and condescending on her site. I was crazy sick, asking questions. She was mean and nasty. I don’t care how much knowledge someone has,if they are mean , knowledge is useless.