Inferno banana negev strats are effective though at least for a small portion of the ct rounds even in legendary eagle plus ranks because they catch people by surprise.
@@declanwright6418 Are you saying the quality of zombie escape isn’t as good as Source’s or that it isn’t present at all? There are several Zombie Escape servers on CSGO
I thought in 2017 was when It became 2000 dollar and then in 2018 1700 dollar I still remember valve used a picture of the sas model holding a negev on A site mirage when announcing that change
I feel like being counterpart to awp is the best direction, dropping the price to 4750 and additionally giving it the same wall penetration as the awp, would create a new interesting role of a gun.
@@realsupercool22 A C C U R A C Y T H R O U G H V O L U M E I can't wait for CS:GO Operation "Rolling Thunder" set in vietnam where there are no more LMGs, they've instead been swapped out for an M60 with a 500 round belt slinged around the user's left arm. When you shoot the spray will literally make you turn up 90 degrees, but with the bullet damage of an autosniper and the firerate of an AK, it will fill a certain role that the Negev and M249 tried to fill in their own mediocre-by-comparison way, but now, the conditions are put to the extreme. GPMG class weaponry in the "heavy" buy section when? Valve pls implement.
This makes me miss the old Negev. I kept using it effectively in competitive because I was usually the only one to know its spray pattern and to burst with it, meaning, even if I died, the enemy would inevitably pick it up and then spray over my head with it, making for an easy kill.
@@zioplys he’s saxton hale I think he knows what he’s talking about when it comes to weapons ffs, I mean the dude literally made an entire species extinct through fighting all of them in hand-to-hand combat
Finally someone talking about this. It's bothered me for so long that this is the one weapon in the game that has never gotten a single balance change whatsoever.
I feel like it should be dropped to like 5,000 or 4,750, and then give it 1-tap headshots from at least 1,024hu's away. It'd be a good contender for CTs to use against the 1-tap headshot AK.
honestly the weapons and economy aspect of cs are more entertaining than the actual game for me. Assuming the players are troops on the ground, if I had a role within the CS universe, I'd probably be like an accountant think tank member in the CT/T Pentagon equivalent thinking out what weapons the troops should use and what should be available to buy. Designating roles, loadouts, developing combined arms tactics etcetera that'd pop up on the buy menu and loading screens. Assuming each buy menu section is restricted to 6 pieces of equipment each, I could think of so many random weapons to implement and replace other weapons.
They should change it's recoil so it's more in line with other rifles, give it the real world accurate 200 round mag and price it between $3500 (200 more than the pricier CT rifle) and $4100 (real life cost for the us army).
@@AnonymousGentooman m249 by the way was also very good in CSS. So good that most of the community servers usually limited the amount of them to 1 per team
Zombie Escape... what a blast from the past. I don't even want to know how many hours I sunk into that game mode in CS:S all the way back in 2007-2009.
Every gun has some point in the game, the m249 has 1 reason to even be in the game. My friend buys it to troll the enemy team and he pretends it’s his favorite gun
I remember in a update that they said they were testing it and then they totally abandon it, now I don't remember correctly if it was the Negev or the Revolver
Actually it was both. blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2017/04/18527/ - For a limited time, the Negev and R8 Revolver are available in Competitive Matchmaking.
Valve seems to want the M249 to be a "strong open-area LMG" and so I think a fundamental rework of the gun is necessary, especially now that the NEGEV does not fill that role. I think the two ways to go about this are to make it a premium SMG-like weapon, or a premium AR-like weapon. The first is already taken by the P90, which nobody really uses because rifles are just better at that price point, so the AR-route looks promising. I think the draw should be this: 1-hit headshots for CTs, rate-of-fire for Ts. I think all this would require is setting damage and ROF at moderately higher than the best in each team's category: let's say 750 RPM, and 33 damage on armored bodyshot. But, as you said in your video, pricing is a problem between teams, and it's hard to encourage usability as a weapon you can take or re-take with at the same time as giving it good defensive capability, without either making the weapon outright overpowered or unjustifiable to buy over rifles. So we're at an impasse, but I think SlothSquadron's solution of team-exclusivity would work. This would let Valve meaningfully differentiate the M249 and the NEGEV, perhaps making the NEGEV a good weapon for suppression and hard-anchoring defense on CT side while giving the M249 power as a way to flush out CTs or lock down angles on a retake. I'm honestly not sure how you'd do this in a way that would make buying the weapon justifiable in the face of the AK47, but you could go the NEGEV route of tanking its price to rock-bottom and simply making it worse than the AK. The problem THERE is that I have no idea how you'd do this without just making the Galil or the UMP-45 fill its roles more effectively, and with different levels of pricing suitable to the team's current needs- this same exact thing has already happened to the NEGEV, which I almost never see used beyond a one-off desperation strategy or as a way to troll worse teams. I definitely understand why Valve refuses to touch the M249 (it hasn't exactly been a useable weapon in any other CS). But my wishful thinking tells me there's *some* role for non-standard weapons to fill in this game, beyond a point of mere economic necessity. With that in mind, I think you could reasonably price the current M249 at $1700, and nothing would really change.
@@assetaden6662 only way it'd be worth it in pistol round for free (if we pretend it replaces your pistol) would be if the enemies bought armor and you actively avoid getting headshots, lmfao that is very telling of how absolute shite it is
just waiting for the price to be lowered on the m249 and all of the sudden it becomes meta and all the pros use it for like a week/month until valve nerfs it back, and then there are still pros buying the gun, but not as much i should be right, last time i predicted an operation, less than a week later, shattered web came out
I feel like the addition of a bipod mechanic that greatly reduces recoil and increases accuracy but at the cost of being stationary would be a good solution. It would distinguish it from any other gun and create a myriad of new strategies. It could even justify its current price and sit alongside the AWP as a powerful tool for defending sites.
I think the devs accidentally gave the negevs intended recoil pattern to the m249 and haven't found out yet lol. Switching them would imo make the m249 well worth it's price. The role of machine guns for me is just area denial. You get 15 seconds solid stream of "don't you fucking dare walk through that door" before reloading, and unlike the molotov, it can be aimed and reloaded. Negev is better for me because it is more accurate
I tried that and got frustrated so i lowered the weapons RPM with mouse auto-fire settings so now it fires bursts at crazy speeds, so its a fun weapon for deathmatch
Good video mate. You should make a video on how bad the bots are in your comp teams because I feel like valve really needs to work on them whether it be making them always obey commands to making it so you can ping where they go on the map or even asking them for a buy/making them buy themselves something other than an m249...
the saving grace for the m249. All recoil is gone if you could just c o m m i t to standing absolutely still somewhere for many, many seconds. High risk. High reward. It'd make CSGO CoD tho but then again, MOUSE2 is a free space for the M249... maybe it's time to give every weapon a special ability like all scoped weapons, all suppressed weapons, the FAMAS and the glock. The bipod would be it for the M249. Wonder what all the other weapons would have... Old school full auto tec 9? Galil regaining its CSGO beta scope? MP9 retaking its position as spiritual successor to the TMP by getting a removable can?
The effect will be increased accuracy and reduced recoil size to makes it more managable. However you cannot move and prepariation for it takes a few second.
I genuinely think something like 3.5k or 4k would be good. This gun if it wasn't priced so ridiculously high could actually be used as a really good close quarters gun, due to its high spray and pray potential along with the close quarters one shot headshot capability
philip will there be a story about your character in Kingdom Come Deliverence? Just like you did with Ogrub story? Your recent video about the game inspired me to play it and I had so much fun playing it!
honestly I've always drawn the comparison to the shotguns, as I feel it performs best when there is little distance for its joke of an accuracy to take place, but that begs the question of why instead you wouldn't just use a shotgun with really high kill rewards, and smg for the versatility, or the Negev bc its a beast but it takes a second to wind up and you cant move while using it edit: sorry forgot to mention if you're just using it for the one shot headshot potential then just pick up a deag or a scout which are both FAR cheaper
The inherent design of CSGO does not really include the need of an Automatic Rifleman, thus having an automatic rifle is superfluous. Supporting fire is not a common tactic, where as shoulder peak instant head shots are more expected.
When considering the stats given in the video, it sounds like it should be in the $2500 to $2700 range, but the real issue is that the Negev is too cheap, considering it is roughly as good for roughly $1k less than even that.
@@press_x_tojason I'm not sure if you've ever used the thing non ironically but it isn't half bad of a gun. I would actually consider it over a run and gun choice for eco but still having that fire rate of an SMG. I think it honestly would fit well as an eco weapon like the galil and famas
@@press_x_tojason but with negev your slow and vulnerable while with m249 you can run and gun...i have better luck at killing people while running and gunning then standing still with the m249.
Here would be my proposal to the M249 and the Negev, based on the weapons they represent irl: The way the irl Negev is built makes it so that the gun is extremely controllable (for an LMG/SAW mind you) at the cost of lowering its rate of fire substantially. Compared to that the M249 puts a lot more lead downrange, but is hard to control when firing long bursts standing upright. Thus, in game the M249 should have a very high fire rate (almost like the M4A4) als well as a terrific damage output, but with a harsh but controllable recoil pattern. Its roll would be that of an extremely expensive Super- rifle, able to shred an entire enemy team in seconds. Its cost should be so high, that buying it poses a rist to the teams economy, should it be lost. The Negev instead should have a lot less recoil (and maybe better movement accuracy) whilst also being far less lethal. Making the Negev a lot cheaper than the M249 would only further cement its role as a weapon used to surpress the enemy. It should work as an exelent tool for an outnubered CT player to defend a bombsite for as long as it takes their team to rotate by spamming lots of bullets at the enemy in order to keep them in cover. A small pool of reserve ammo would make it impossible to hold an area alone for too long, to keep it balanced In that way the two LMGs have their respective roles in the game: one is for shredding hostiles at mid- to- close range, the other one is for surpressing the enemy. But im just a silver player, so what do I know.
Or make it 15K, so you can get an armor+helmet and the gun, and whenever you kill somebody with it, an in-game announcer would shout ''YEET''. Proper trolling weapon, a lot better now.
Honestly, I think it should be priced between the FAMAS and M4. Trying to balance it for the T side will always be a losing game, since at those prices it'll be attractive to both sides in the way you warned of at the end of the video. If you balance it for CT, as it most closely mimics those rifles, you end up with a slightly better FAMAS and significantly worse M4. $2700 makes the most sense to me. Above the FAMAS and below the M4, it's also the price of an AK. This will give it at least some defensive use on T side as an AK that trades power for ammo capacity (such as in hostage game modes). Further, it makes it appealing properly to the CT side. The accuracy of the M4 is a huge drawing factor, especially as your reach high levels of play. The only way to sell a gun that is less accurate by such a substantial margin is to price it below the rifles which overshadow it to such a degree.
Considering the price of the Negev, and the role the LMGs seem to be fit for, maybe the M249 should be closer to where the Negev is in price, but the Negev's own price should be raised?
I still remember several years old conversations with teammates who were angry with me for buying the sg. Team: Why are you buying that shitty gun. Me: Because it’s better Team: No it’s not Me: what stats are better on the AK Team: the damage Me: the sg does more damaged against armored targets Team: The AK fires faster Me: No it doesn’t and the sg has a much better time to kill Team: the AK is easier to use Me: The sg has a simplified recoil pattern and a scope, so no the sg is easier. And it would just go on like that for however long it took them to realize they were wrong
I always tell my team we need to take advantage of the surprisingly low priced M249 . The amount of power and ammunition it lays down is devastating for the enemy team. All you need to do is learn the spray pattern and you have a weapon better suited for combat than the likes of the m4 and ak.
3750 would be a good price, it makes it so that it's a upgrade to the aug on defense, and on offense if you would like to rock something more powerful than the Krieg, you might want to do that as well. And armour plus m249 might be better than going glass cannon Awp, and it'd be nice to have a change in the meta :)
@@1vory1 It is not better than SG. SG has 100% armor penetration and a super long one shot headshot range. This gun should be ct side only. And yeah its Krieg
Personally, I like the direction slothsquadron went with it, and think it would be best to double down on that. With that, its a unique weapon with similar but distinct playstyle to the Negev and to rifles. You could possibly even decrease its accuracy and buff damage further, to make it more of a close-range spray-and-pray weapon, almost more comparable to the XM, but its always hard to tell what'd actually be balanced, and more importantly, fun.
TF2 brain kicking in and I feel like M249 could fill in multiple niches depending on what it can do. If you want it to be a spray and pray weapon, a weird quirk it can have is maybe no slowdown while moving or have it be low accuracy, but no running inaccuracy, make it a weapon that pushes into defenses compared to the Negev that stops offenses
i enjoy mastering the m249's spray pattern, i hope it never gets changed super hard like the negev. I would've learnt the spray pattern of the negev, but, obviously, it's been simplified and there's no need to. It's a great in between for BMing and trying
Make the Negev available only for the CTs and the M249 only for the Ts. The Negev is as good as it is but make the m249 a mix of rifles and smgs, i.e. slightly less damage than the rifles but with the run and gun accuracy of smgs
As a master Guardian player who mains negev and m249 (yes we exist) I would like to point out that negev is the best for CT and m249 is the best for T. This is due to CTs not needing to be on the move that much, the CT can pretty much ignore the negev's slow movement speed but for T on the other hand, they require a lot more movement, therefore they require m249 which will allow them to move faster. Sometimes, there are pub players that are open to having 5 full negev/m249 on the same round and it actually works. Even for some people that are annoyed of me (and my friend) buying the negev for every round, they would finally join us buying the negev and mostly, when that happens we probably would win the round. The m249 is extremely wasteful and I can't buy it every round but given I had a lot of training on them(on ranked), it would be a good weapon for me, depending on the situation ofcourse. With that said though, I'm no where near a pro-level of player. I'm just your standard ranked pub player. Cheers! Edit: I've stopped playing csgo for months already so I would be unaware if there's any change to it so please take it as just an opinion from me.
Negev is OP if you know how to use it. Just crouch everytime you shoot and the accuracy is instantly like a laser. It takes practice to press the crouch button as a reflex though, but when you master it it's OP.
Slightly reduce the recoil. It's fine to burst with but it's very hard to spray with in longer ranges. Also reduce the price to about $4000. Otherwise it's fine, the dmg, fire rate and armor pen is really good.
Ive spent time trying to learn the m259s recoil and if the slowed down the ramp up "reduced the distance between the shots" it would be hard but doable.
This gun helped me to to turn a game around around and win two times. And it was not a simple hold m1. It actually has a fine spray, if you get used to it.
I suggest making the Negev similar to the m249...kinda like how the sawed off and the mag7 are somewhat similar to each other but still kinda different
I think one might expect the LMGs to have some very manageable recoil compared to the rifles. i'd say the weapon should be optimized for area denial and wallbanging, which would give them some utility on the T side. Consider that the awp and autos both have some great capacity for wallbangs.
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Doesn't the m249 exist just to allow bots with lots of money to waste it.
Edit: this comment aged well.
It exists for you to misclick and feel ashamed
It exists for bots to buy without armour
Or to ace in 4 seconds in silver
@@AxxLAfriku what?
@@daanstrik4293 he's a very... Ehm.... Weird character
I remmeber that the bot buys m249 rushed mid and got killed by other bot that uses G3SG1
The negev is the losing team's troll weapon, while the m249 is the winning team's troll weapon.
well said
idk, ct side has a lot of uses for negev, besides trolling
@123 456 if the negev was ct side only, you could see them downranking from lem to silver 2
ok????????????????????????? :| :3
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Inferno banana negev strats are effective though at least for a small portion of the ct rounds even in legendary eagle plus ranks because they catch people by surprise.
One tapping someone with the m249 is the ultimate flex
Oh yeah did that on Agency the other day. Dude was half the map away. Both laughed abt it tho because it was just ridiculous.
It's slow that's it
Did….. he just forget the purpose of the Zeus?
720 M249 Onetap
I did that once in a matchmaking, also using one-way smoke too, the best part is 3kills and 1 more low lol
2:16 de_monetized
lmao
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Don't get it
LMFAO
It should be $16,000. To show how much disrespect you have.
Damm, I read it with inotorious sound
$15,000 gotta get that helmet
@@hv4329 just don't die in the previous round, you casual
yeh
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@@manuelfiuza6440 casul*
i saw this and just said
"yeah not 5k"
"SAW"
Should be $6900
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@@fort809 wholesome big chungus based redpill keanu reeves
Ya know what...
$6942 lmao
Philip trying so hard not to laugh when he asks "What would CS:GO's Zombie Escape community want -" is the highlight of my day.
Sad thing is Negev is better in every way for zombie escape. Literally 95 % of machine guns used in ZE are negevs.
@@Chicagoben yep
Css: im a joke to u?
RIP Zombie Escape. Didn’t carry from Source unfortunately.
@@declanwright6418 Are you saying the quality of zombie escape isn’t as good as Source’s or that it isn’t present at all? There are several Zombie Escape servers on CSGO
m249 is like that one kid that everyone forget exist in the class
and bots in CSGO are like the kids that take pity on the neglected kids!
As someone who has been there, i felt that.
The only time I used it was when I misclicked and died to an awp
something something school something something
Or that guy on your discord server everyone ignores
but silvers already learned the spray pattern for the negev
What spray pattern
@@rakebluewallgaming6185 the one with the recoil
I used to teach that back in the day
@@rakebluewallgaming6185 ikr. It is just aim down for half a second and then laser
This comment attacked me personally
The Laser negev update was in 2017? Jeez, I am getting old.
Damn, it feels like that was like 6 months ago, not nearly 3 years.
ikr
A started playing is 2014 fu.. im old xD
I thought in 2017 was when It became 2000 dollar and then in 2018 1700 dollar
I still remember valve used a picture of the sas model holding a negev on A site mirage when announcing that change
2020 has made everything before it feel like a lifetime ago
"recently" "2017" "where did those years go"
stop philip you're making us feel old
Craziest thing about that one for me is that the game has lived *half its life* since 2017. I'm getting old dude.
Another year...
I feel like being counterpart to awp is the best direction, dropping the price to 4750 and additionally giving it the same wall penetration as the awp, would create a new interesting role of a gun.
Same wall penetration would be too op
@@ChronicMemes "waaaahhhh too op valve pls baby needs milkiesss"
@@ChronicMemes and the M249 right now is shitter than the Negev while being 3 times the price, it needs something to make it remotely decent
Furthermore, it needs to be either good at spraying or bursting. Right now, it is good at neither.
@@JAnx01 if it has the penetration, it doesn't need a good spray pattern.
I mean, if we were to change the stats, the model has a 200 round belt box, so we could start from there
*A M E R I C A N D E T E C T E D*
@@realsupercool22 ooh, good guess, but Canadian
When he said drum instead of box 😞
@@realsupercool22 A C C U R A C Y T H R O U G H V O L U M E
I can't wait for CS:GO Operation "Rolling Thunder" set in vietnam where there are no more LMGs, they've instead been swapped out for an M60 with a 500 round belt slinged around the user's left arm. When you shoot the spray will literally make you turn up 90 degrees, but with the bullet damage of an autosniper and the firerate of an AK, it will fill a certain role that the Negev and M249 tried to fill in their own mediocre-by-comparison way, but now, the conditions are put to the extreme.
GPMG class weaponry in the "heavy" buy section when? Valve pls implement.
Lol this has 249 likes 😂
Damn I think the m249 should be like free ya know.
Mby would be useful in pistol rounds xD
Hey [B] eter.
Glock will be more expensive
they should replace pistol rounds with LMGs rounds.
@@golojg8605 😲
M249 needs to be the dedicated wallbang weapon. It should have as much penetration as the AWP.
so basically u want it to be an automatic awp?
@@randompersonintheinternet3850 penetration isnt damage
@@think8736 without the damage except u can now shoot through walls
why? it shoots rifle bullets.
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This makes me miss the old Negev. I kept using it effectively in competitive because I was usually the only one to know its spray pattern and to burst with it, meaning, even if I died, the enemy would inevitably pick it up and then spray over my head with it, making for an easy kill.
It didn't have a spray pattern it shot everywhere
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 crouch, burst
@@torbahassadra4718 That's not a spray pattern, that's just tap firing it you could do that with every gun!
It already cost self-respect, but it pays back in tears
clearly doesnt know anything about the M249
@@zioplys ok thanos diamond
@@zioplys he’s saxton hale I think he knows what he’s talking about when it comes to weapons ffs, I mean the dude literally made an entire species extinct through fighting all of them in hand-to-hand combat
Haha
Finally someone talking about this. It's bothered me for so long that this is the one weapon in the game that has never gotten a single balance change whatsoever.
Its the Mozambique
@@scsc69109 except the mozambique is now actually good in apex, and in titanfall 2 it's actually godly
They should buff m249 and lower the price
@@DewaKrishna_ Wait, simce when was the Moz buffed in ApLeg?
@@ArcturusOTE last season i think, it's unironically one of the better "low tier" weapons now
Imagine getting one-tapped by the M249
Trust me I did one tap someone with m249
@@poodablazc *distant snorting*
@@tappajaav lol
i got one tapped by my friend, lets just say hes not my friend anymore
Did that earlier, hence why I’m here at this video lmao
I feel like it should be dropped to like 5,000 or 4,750, and then give it 1-tap headshots from at least 1,024hu's away. It'd be a good contender for CTs to use against the 1-tap headshot AK.
in my opinion even that is too expensive.$3500 would be an ideal.
The m249 is the secret god gun that no ones knows how to use
Facts.
You need to tap with the weapon. You cant spray with it. But you can give onetaps with it
@@UppickLP so a expensive ak?
Just make your enemies deaf!
@@tzugumi of which has 3 times the bullets, and a simpler spray, basically if a Negev an a ak-47 had a child
Me, who hasn't played csgo in over a year: "Interesting"
Lol, 5 years here
honestly the weapons and economy aspect of cs are more entertaining than the actual game for me. Assuming the players are troops on the ground, if I had a role within the CS universe, I'd probably be like an accountant think tank member in the CT/T Pentagon equivalent thinking out what weapons the troops should use and what should be available to buy. Designating roles, loadouts, developing combined arms tactics etcetera that'd pop up on the buy menu and loading screens.
Assuming each buy menu section is restricted to 6 pieces of equipment each, I could think of so many random weapons to implement and replace other weapons.
Me who has never played CSGO
@@luna_macaroni P L A Y I T A N D F E E L T H E P A I N
oh i a persone who never borned.. thats how long i dont play csgo. yuck fou
They should change it's recoil so it's more in line with other rifles, give it the real world accurate 200 round mag and price it between $3500 (200 more than the pricier CT rifle) and $4100 (real life cost for the us army).
CS:GO Weapon Price Mod (Realistic Edition), where everything is the cost to buy in units when?
@@QuantumLeclerc that'be cool
@@QuantumLeclerc it s called insurgency
@@QuantumLeclerc molotovs would cost like $8
@@doppled lmao 5$ if you cheapskate it
Imagine spending all your money for a weapon that you can only hope to land your shots
-this post was made by the Negev Gang
"it's mostly used for memeing[...]though i'll admit when i use it i get more kills than i expect to"
basically me and the Dualies
AY! Don't talk shit about the dualies.
Shooting the feet with dualies is in fact a viable strategy.
imagine if they give them the stats of css
@@PotentialGrim would you mind explaing? i never played css
@@AnonymousGentooman m249 by the way was also very good in CSS. So good that most of the community servers usually limited the amount of them to 1 per team
It should replace the knife
Zombie Escape... what a blast from the past. I don't even want to know how many hours I sunk into that game mode in CS:S all the way back in 2007-2009.
Gamemode is pretty dead now on CS:S it really makes me unbelievably sad because of all the people that I’ve lost contact with
1:51 yeah 2017 does not seem like it’s almost 4 years ago
Every gun has some point in the game, the m249 has 1 reason to even be in the game. My friend buys it to troll the enemy team and he pretends it’s his favorite gun
it's my favourite lmao
@@chudcel88 are you his friend?
@@chudcel88 Same, gotta love it on office
its my favourite gun ;-;
@@chudcel88 it's only useful in certain zombie mode games (in the maps where you constantly run away)
M249 should stay as it is, it's the best gun to roast the other team when you're winning 15-3
15-0
15-1
15-2
15- ....4
I mean if you're brave enough, you can try it on a 15-14 either a great tie or a destroying victory
Honestly, I just wish the recoil pattern wasn't such a joke.
I have 2k hours and i still didnt even realise how expensive it was 😂😂
@@en1ax978 huh?
@@kingscomo8511 what did he say?
@@nicocampagnano7896 he said the word imagine?? 🤷♂️
Just remember that the negev still in "testing"
what do you mean?
I remember in a update that they said they were testing it and then they totally abandon it, now I don't remember correctly if it was the Negev or the Revolver
Actually it was both.
blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2017/04/18527/
- For a limited time, the Negev and R8 Revolver are available in Competitive Matchmaking.
@@RoqueTHEGAMER
"limited time"
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*three years lateur*
Valve Limited Time
TLDR for those that didn’t watch: 13 Dubloons
5 billion Venezuelan dollars
'bout three fitty
@@Paddy656 so, it is 10USD?
9USD
8USD
7USD
6USD
:/
too long;didnt read for those that didnt watch
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five shekels
4:29 silvers after playing mm
so true
The thing nobody realizes about the Negev is that it is actually pretty accurate, just to a point up and to the right from the crosshairs
Actually, most people do realize that.
make it 10k so it's even more of a flex to buy it
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The "aw s*it i misclicked" is already bad but still can tap shoot
I found an inotorious fan
2 shot bursts are really good at suppressing pathways
Try spraying with it, thank me later.
Valve seems to want the M249 to be a "strong open-area LMG" and so I think a fundamental rework of the gun is necessary, especially now that the NEGEV does not fill that role. I think the two ways to go about this are to make it a premium SMG-like weapon, or a premium AR-like weapon. The first is already taken by the P90, which nobody really uses because rifles are just better at that price point, so the AR-route looks promising. I think the draw should be this: 1-hit headshots for CTs, rate-of-fire for Ts. I think all this would require is setting damage and ROF at moderately higher than the best in each team's category: let's say 750 RPM, and 33 damage on armored bodyshot. But, as you said in your video, pricing is a problem between teams, and it's hard to encourage usability as a weapon you can take or re-take with at the same time as giving it good defensive capability, without either making the weapon outright overpowered or unjustifiable to buy over rifles.
So we're at an impasse, but I think SlothSquadron's solution of team-exclusivity would work. This would let Valve meaningfully differentiate the M249 and the NEGEV, perhaps making the NEGEV a good weapon for suppression and hard-anchoring defense on CT side while giving the M249 power as a way to flush out CTs or lock down angles on a retake. I'm honestly not sure how you'd do this in a way that would make buying the weapon justifiable in the face of the AK47, but you could go the NEGEV route of tanking its price to rock-bottom and simply making it worse than the AK. The problem THERE is that I have no idea how you'd do this without just making the Galil or the UMP-45 fill its roles more effectively, and with different levels of pricing suitable to the team's current needs- this same exact thing has already happened to the NEGEV, which I almost never see used beyond a one-off desperation strategy or as a way to troll worse teams.
I definitely understand why Valve refuses to touch the M249 (it hasn't exactly been a useable weapon in any other CS). But my wishful thinking tells me there's *some* role for non-standard weapons to fill in this game, beyond a point of mere economic necessity. With that in mind, I think you could reasonably price the current M249 at $1700, and nothing would really change.
silvers use the p90. source: am silver
The m249 and negev should be exclusive to ct and t respectively, both with suppression fire while crouching. Slothsquadron had pretty good ideas
You could walk while using the Negev
*slowly*
@@puppieslovies hostage maps
it should cost 15 diamonds, just like in far cry 2
this quote is videogamedunkey worthy
Noo. It would start jammimg before end of a round
Far cry 2 Is so fun
@@encross8058 far cry 3 is EVEN MORE fun (by a lot)
Far Cry 2 & 4 are my most favorite fc games
Maybe if it was free I would consider getting it on pistol round
Even then, sometimes dualies will be just better
@@assetaden6662 only way it'd be worth it in pistol round for free (if we pretend it replaces your pistol) would be if the enemies bought armor and you actively avoid getting headshots, lmfao that is very telling of how absolute shite it is
Nah man. It should be less than the Negev which outclasses it in literally every scenario..
I know this is a meme but I do feel Philip glossed over the importance of armor penetration (which the m249 is better at), especially in mowing groups
I remember the days of all 5 t's rush long with negev on last round. ahhh the good ole' days
just waiting for the price to be lowered on the m249 and all of the sudden it becomes meta and all the pros use it for like a week/month until valve nerfs it back, and then there are still pros buying the gun, but not as much
i should be right, last time i predicted an operation, less than a week later, shattered web came out
I told my friend that a new operation will come out soon, 12 hours later broken fang operation announced.
Big man
*and then nobody buys the gun, because it's nerfed into the ground.
I think a temporary price gouge down to $3.5k or 4k would kickstart it for community use
@@noborge It's actually great
2:15 Nice drawing, m8, pure artist!
Ikr! Also that 69 like tho!
The Negev and M249 being separated across teams would actually make a lot of sense honestly
I feel like the addition of a bipod mechanic that greatly reduces recoil and increases accuracy but at the cost of being stationary would be a good solution. It would distinguish it from any other gun and create a myriad of new strategies. It could even justify its current price and sit alongside the AWP as a powerful tool for defending sites.
Would be good on CT side
They should pay us to use it
Genius!
2:18 You not slick with that bullet pattern ;)
I think the devs accidentally gave the negevs intended recoil pattern to the m249 and haven't found out yet lol. Switching them would imo make the m249 well worth it's price. The role of machine guns for me is just area denial. You get 15 seconds solid stream of "don't you fucking dare walk through that door" before reloading, and unlike the molotov, it can be aimed and reloaded. Negev is better for me because it is more accurate
This video shows how much work you put to your videos, great job!🇨🇱😊
Imagine using it over the Negev
Why imagine? That's exactly what you do when you want to flex, like when leading by more than 10 points or something
post-2018 noob spotted
@@jacobm92 the m249 was crazy in 2015
Imagine people think M249 and Negev are the same.
@@user-xs9oo9gc7u The m249 is such a headshot machine tbh underrated gun but that's cause it's expensive and people think its troll
Learning the recoil pattern is like learning through the fire and flames on guitar hero 3
Could not say it better, practiced it for a few hours and gave up. Not worth the time
I tried that and got frustrated so i lowered the weapons RPM with mouse auto-fire settings so now it fires bursts at crazy speeds, so its a fun weapon for deathmatch
Loving these graphs!!
Good video mate. You should make a video on how bad the bots are in your comp teams because I feel like valve really needs to work on them whether it be making them always obey commands to making it so you can ping where they go on the map or even asking them for a buy/making them buy themselves something other than an m249...
*Bruh imagine they add a bipod to it, and you can actually mount it into objects.*
the saving grace for the m249. All recoil is gone if you could just c o m m i t to standing absolutely still somewhere for many, many seconds. High risk. High reward.
It'd make CSGO CoD tho
but then again, MOUSE2 is a free space for the M249... maybe it's time to give every weapon a special ability like all scoped weapons, all suppressed weapons, the FAMAS and the glock. The bipod would be it for the M249. Wonder what all the other weapons would have... Old school full auto tec 9? Galil regaining its CSGO beta scope? MP9 retaking its position as spiritual successor to the TMP by getting a removable can?
Oh no...
Not going to happen, we can't have nice things.
@@bathshebahubber614 thing is, Negev is already there to fit that role.
The effect will be increased accuracy and reduced recoil size to makes it more managable. However you cannot move and prepariation for it takes a few second.
Just make it 900$ more expensive that the Negev, it would be a *game changing*
I'd say it should be $500 cheaper in its current state
3300-4300$ is the sweet spot
@@a-1291 No.
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I genuinely think something like 3.5k or 4k would be good. This gun if it wasn't priced so ridiculously high could actually be used as a really good close quarters gun, due to its high spray and pray potential along with the close quarters one shot headshot capability
7:50
Hostage Rescue maps: Am I a joke to you?
philip will there be a story about your character in Kingdom Come Deliverence? Just like you did with Ogrub story? Your recent video about the game inspired me to play it and I had so much fun playing it!
I'd love to see him do a playthrough like he did with half life
@@petermaguire4825 naked that is?
he hearted this comment can’t wait for the video
Babe wake up new englishman video
honestly I've always drawn the comparison to the shotguns, as I feel it performs best when there is little distance for its joke of an accuracy to take place, but that begs the question of why instead you wouldn't just use a shotgun with really high kill rewards, and smg for the versatility, or the Negev bc its a beast but it takes a second to wind up and you cant move while using it
edit: sorry forgot to mention if you're just using it for the one shot headshot potential then just pick up a deag or a scout which are both FAR cheaper
The inherent design of CSGO does not really include the need of an Automatic Rifleman, thus having an automatic rifle is superfluous. Supporting fire is not a common tactic, where as shoulder peak instant head shots are more expected.
I actually talk about this in cs games and a lot of people feel like it should be around 2-3k ish. But honestly, I want it just to be cheaper
When considering the stats given in the video, it sounds like it should be in the $2500 to $2700 range, but the real issue is that the Negev is too cheap, considering it is roughly as good for roughly $1k less than even that.
@@press_x_tojason I'm not sure if you've ever used the thing non ironically but it isn't half bad of a gun. I would actually consider it over a run and gun choice for eco but still having that fire rate of an SMG. I think it honestly would fit well as an eco weapon like the galil and famas
@@press_x_tojason but with negev your slow and vulnerable while with m249 you can run and gun...i have better luck at killing people while running and gunning then standing still with the m249.
Prolly 3700$ would be the best spot because it wouldn't be too overpowered nor undepowered
Just turn it into the old good negev. Onetap at midrange, absolutely insand fire rate and recoil. Old negev felt so great. I miss it. :(
Here would be my proposal to the M249 and the Negev, based on the weapons they represent irl:
The way the irl Negev is built makes it so that the gun is extremely controllable (for an LMG/SAW mind you) at the cost of lowering its rate of fire substantially. Compared to that the M249 puts a lot more lead downrange, but is hard to control when firing long bursts standing upright.
Thus, in game the M249 should have a very high fire rate (almost like the M4A4) als well as a terrific damage output, but with a harsh but controllable recoil pattern. Its roll would be that of an extremely expensive Super- rifle, able to shred an entire enemy team in seconds. Its cost should be so high, that buying it poses a rist to the teams economy, should it be lost.
The Negev instead should have a lot less recoil (and maybe better movement accuracy) whilst also being far less lethal. Making the Negev a lot cheaper than the M249 would only further cement its role as a weapon used to surpress the enemy. It should work as an exelent tool for an outnubered CT player to defend a bombsite for as long as it takes their team to rotate by spamming lots of bullets at the enemy in order to keep them in cover. A small pool of reserve ammo would make it impossible to hold an area alone for too long, to keep it balanced
In that way the two LMGs have their respective roles in the game: one is for shredding hostiles at mid- to- close range, the other one is for surpressing the enemy. But im just a silver player, so what do I know.
this is actually brilliant
As a fellow silver I can agree with turning the m249 into the ultra rifle it was destined to be.
Or make it 15K, so you can get an armor+helmet and the gun, and whenever you kill somebody with it, an in-game announcer would shout ''YEET''. Proper trolling weapon, a lot better now.
Valve has made some embarrassing buffs so I think it wont happen bcz they're scared that it will turn into the buff AUG and buff Tec-9
Heavier guns have less recoil irl compared to lighter same caliber guns its a common misconception that heavier guns are harder to control
Honestly, I think it should be priced between the FAMAS and M4. Trying to balance it for the T side will always be a losing game, since at those prices it'll be attractive to both sides in the way you warned of at the end of the video. If you balance it for CT, as it most closely mimics those rifles, you end up with a slightly better FAMAS and significantly worse M4.
$2700 makes the most sense to me. Above the FAMAS and below the M4, it's also the price of an AK. This will give it at least some defensive use on T side as an AK that trades power for ammo capacity (such as in hostage game modes). Further, it makes it appealing properly to the CT side. The accuracy of the M4 is a huge drawing factor, especially as your reach high levels of play. The only way to sell a gun that is less accurate by such a substantial margin is to price it below the rifles which overshadow it to such a degree.
Considering the price of the Negev, and the role the LMGs seem to be fit for, maybe the M249 should be closer to where the Negev is in price, but the Negev's own price should be raised?
I actually buy the m249 when we are winning so much that we hav extra cash at the end of the half
Yes,i do that stupid thing too cuz we have too much money
Thank God, someone with influence is saying something about it. I’ve been saying lower it for years.
Why would you want to see that gun used more - it's not fun
Wow so brave!
@@metawarp7446 to make it have a real purpose in the game, and make competitive scene much less boring, but still not broken at the same time
I still remember several years old conversations with teammates who were angry with me for buying the sg.
Team: Why are you buying that shitty gun.
Me: Because it’s better
Team: No it’s not
Me: what stats are better on the AK
Team: the damage
Me: the sg does more damaged against armored targets
Team: The AK fires faster
Me: No it doesn’t and the sg has a much better time to kill
Team: the AK is easier to use
Me: The sg has a simplified recoil pattern and a scope, so no the sg is easier.
And it would just go on like that for however long it took them to realize they were wrong
Thank u for covering the forgotten gun i would love to be effective at long range spam
I literally googled this this morning
I literally googed "the" this morning
@@Dapstart i litrally googled "googed" this morning
Francisco Soares I literally googled “litrally” this mouning
@@pologlobal Y literally googled "mouning" this morning
@@skavez2866 I literally googled "Y" tis morning.
Im always happy when the less used weapons of csgo are in the spotlight.
everyone: Happy new year
philip and his fanbase: is the M249 op?
I like the idea of having m249 for one side and negev for the other one. And balance them that way (price, accuracy, damage... etc).
I always tell my team we need to take advantage of the surprisingly low priced M249 . The amount of power and ammunition it lays down is devastating for the enemy team. All you need to do is learn the spray pattern and you have a weapon better suited for combat than the likes of the m4 and ak.
Yes the accuracy and damage are just god
May I ask what your rank is?
@@Max-gs1lj STFU lol
@@cpi3267 why? He is just asking a question
@@Max-gs1lj I am silver 3 :)
3750 would be a good price, it makes it so that it's a upgrade to the aug on defense, and on offense if you would like to rock something more powerful than the Krieg, you might want to do that as well. And armour plus m249 might be better than going glass cannon Awp, and it'd be nice to have a change in the meta :)
Did you buy your craig on krieglist?
Craig always complains when I shoot him
@@zilliq Idk how to spell SG 553 :(
@@Dapstart Sorry, I don't really know how to spell it :(
@@1vory1 It is not better than SG. SG has 100% armor penetration and a super long one shot headshot range. This gun should be ct side only. And yeah its Krieg
Personally, I like the direction slothsquadron went with it, and think it would be best to double down on that. With that, its a unique weapon with similar but distinct playstyle to the Negev and to rifles. You could possibly even decrease its accuracy and buff damage further, to make it more of a close-range spray-and-pray weapon, almost more comparable to the XM, but its always hard to tell what'd actually be balanced, and more importantly, fun.
TF2 brain kicking in and I feel like M249 could fill in multiple niches depending on what it can do. If you want it to be a spray and pray weapon, a weird quirk it can have is maybe no slowdown while moving or have it be low accuracy, but no running inaccuracy, make it a weapon that pushes into defenses compared to the Negev that stops offenses
i enjoy mastering the m249's spray pattern, i hope it never gets changed super hard like the negev. I would've learnt the spray pattern of the negev, but, obviously, it's been simplified and there's no need to. It's a great in between for BMing and trying
1:51 - Hitting me where it hurts man
Give it a real spray pattern, faster walking speed when equipped, reduce the price to 4000$ dollars
3500.
3400 dollars
$2300
1700
Make the Negev available only for the CTs and the M249 only for the Ts. The Negev is as good as it is but make the m249 a mix of rifles and smgs, i.e. slightly less damage than the rifles but with the run and gun accuracy of smgs
As a master Guardian player who mains negev and m249 (yes we exist) I would like to point out that negev is the best for CT and m249 is the best for T. This is due to CTs not needing to be on the move that much, the CT can pretty much ignore the negev's slow movement speed but for T on the other hand, they require a lot more movement, therefore they require m249 which will allow them to move faster.
Sometimes, there are pub players that are open to having 5 full negev/m249 on the same round and it actually works. Even for some people that are annoyed of me (and my friend) buying the negev for every round, they would finally join us buying the negev and mostly, when that happens we probably would win the round.
The m249 is extremely wasteful and I can't buy it every round but given I had a lot of training on them(on ranked), it would be a good weapon for me, depending on the situation ofcourse.
With that said though, I'm no where near a pro-level of player. I'm just your standard ranked pub player. Cheers!
Edit: I've stopped playing csgo for months already so I would be unaware if there's any change to it so please take it as just an opinion from me.
wtf
Negev is OP if you know how to use it. Just crouch everytime you shoot and the accuracy is instantly like a laser. It takes practice to press the crouch button as a reflex though, but when you master it it's OP.
I agree. That's shown at 8:57.
Slightly reduce the recoil. It's fine to burst with but it's very hard to spray with in longer ranges. Also reduce the price to about $4000. Otherwise it's fine, the dmg, fire rate and armor pen is really good.
Ive spent time trying to learn the m259s recoil and if the slowed down the ramp up "reduced the distance between the shots" it would be hard but doable.
finally a video about this forgotten *relic*
This gun helped me to to turn a game around around and win two times.
And it was not a simple hold m1. It actually has a fine spray, if you get used to it.
“I shot a wall with various different weapons”
The greatest American pastime
5:50 Philip sounds hungry.
please just tell me what that means
@@KonStafylides If you listen very closely you can hear his belly rumble!
My god your right
@@hagridmary Get him a calorie mate or a snake from the jungle, I'm getting vibes from some virtuous mission.
Am I the only person that’s just now learning that Slothsquadron is only one person?
I like the painting with tracer feature of the autos :)
honestly i just tune in on every philip video and play it on the background as asmr podcast
The cts should have the m249 and the ts should have an rpd.
The cts should have the m249 and the ts should have an rpg.
Insurgency much?
@@Bbhskklh Nah, the RPK is a common real life weapon used by terrorists.
I think it should be the RPD
That seems awfully one-sided; the RPK uses a 40-round magazine-far from the 100 rounds the M249 currently holds.
slower fire rate and more damage
for zombies, that is
Had slower cycle time than Negev and lower base damage. Would need Negev nerfs or no reason.
I just realized how Philips face kinda looks like a long streched out version of WarOwls face.
I suggest making the Negev similar to the m249...kinda like how the sawed off and the mag7 are somewhat similar to each other but still kinda different
When he said “where did those years go”... i felt that
yeah i felt that too via me eardrum
never thought of dogs as slow. must be a british thing
Probably wanted to say slow as shit but didnt want to swear
He self-censored the word "dogshit"
@@glowstek I know. I made a joke. Haha. Funny.
Really like this series. Maybe duelies next?
I think one might expect the LMGs to have some very manageable recoil compared to the rifles. i'd say the weapon should be optimized for area denial and wallbanging, which would give them some utility on the T side. Consider that the awp and autos both have some great capacity for wallbangs.